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Friday, August 12, 2016

Pity the poor Millennials

Literally. Generation X is often hard on the Millennials, and deservedly so. They're soft and whiny and stupidly idealistic, and they're susceptible to buying into the most transparent nonsense. That being said, they face the most difficult economic circumstances of any American generation since the so-called Greatest Generation was born into the Great Depression.
Baby Boomers and Gen Xers still seem to find it hard to believe that basic economic math can explain much of the younger generation’s behavior.

After several news outlets, including The Daily Beast, reported that rates of millennial sexual inactivity in early adulthood are surprisingly high, armchair social theorists came out in force to blame it on everything but the fact that nearly one-third of young adults are still living at home.
One right-wing college news website found a way to attribute the finding to millennials’ desire for “safe spaces.”

Conservative New York Times columnist Ross Douthat speculated on Twitter that it was an example of the “porn paradox,” whatever that means. Others attributed it, predictably, to the effects of technology or increased anxiety. A Rutgers biological anthropologist even suggested that millennials might be too “motivated” and “ambitious” to even bother with sex.

The most likely explanation—which was mentioned in the study itself—is that parents’ basements do not make great boom boom rooms. But who needs Occam’s razor when you’re publicly opining about the behavior of an entire generation? Lower wages sending 22-year-olds back home after college isn’t nearly as sexy as complaining about porn or political correctness.

The truth is that lower wages and poverty can account for so many of the things that older generations find so mystifying about millennials.

For example, millennials drive less than their parent’s generation—and until recently, at least—were relatively uninterested in buying cars. As The Atlantic reported in 2012, this crisis prompted automakers to appoint “youth emissaries” and come up with new car colors like “techno pink” and “denim.”

But trying to make cars cooler doesn’t change the fact that, as CityLab found, there’s a significant gap in vehicle miles traveled between millenials who make over $30,000 a year and those who make less. Simply put: Cars cost money and millennials have less of it.

Millennials have also been shamed for how much they spend eating out instead of say, saving for retirement. “Millennials Are Spending an Embarrassing Amount on Brunch and Takeaway Pizza,” Vice recently declared.

It’s easy to chalk that generational difference up to some sort of narcissistic short-sightedness but the truth is probably a lot closer to fatalism: When millennials can’t save for retirement anyway, why not spring for some bottomless mimosas instead of enrolling in a 401(k)?
Difficult circumstances don't excuse behaving with all the foresight of a retarded chimpanzee on crack, or dying your hair blue and calling yourself a lady pony, but they do merit some degree of patience and even forbearance on our part. Since their parents, teachers, and professors all maleducated them, they're going to need someone to help set them straight.

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OpenID jimnz August 12, 2016 7:06 AM  

Perhaps Jared Taylor might be a good someone to start with.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 August 12, 2016 7:15 AM  

MGTOW?
So NOTHING on false rape accusations, "special" rules for women in divorce/"child" care/ custody settlements, domestic "violence", Title IX, "unexpected" findings in mutual asset considerations, paternity entrapment, and awareness of "lifetime" STDs?
CaptDMO

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 12, 2016 7:28 AM  

I can't wait until Gen-Z finally makes it to the workforce.

Anonymous Sam the Man August 12, 2016 7:28 AM  

Vox, you out yourself again.

You are not award winning cruelty artist, you show sympathy for those who are unaware of reality.

There is not doubt that a lot of them are fatheads, but thinking back there was a lot more opportunity for the older generations, though I would observe the difference between opportunities of a man hitting 18 in 1973 and now has been on a steady decline since that time, with a few upticks along the way.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2016 7:33 AM  

Difficult circumstances don't excuse behaving with all the foresight of a retarded chimpanzee on crack, or dying your hair blue and calling yourself a lady pony, but they do merit some degree of patience and even forbearance on our part.

The alternative is to give up and throw out the entire generation. But the average age of white people in the US is 57 already, so this would be racial suicide.

Broken Arrow wrote:I can't wait until Gen-Z finally makes it to the workforce.

I'd count it as a win if that's something we can even complain about. More likely, that generation bears the brunt of the die-off.

Anonymous Laz August 12, 2016 7:45 AM  

Slightly OT but it's Gen-X vs Millennials on Survivor this Fall.

Blogger Phillip George August 12, 2016 7:51 AM  

What's reproduction rates in Social Welfare Dearborn Michigan's Muhammadan millennials? maybe money's only half of this story?

point also being BigClimate made the cost of living artificially higher for everyone, under Myths that kill. While food production sky rockets because of atmospheric fertilizer the cost of living via energy costs just killed the economy.

the religion of BigClimate rackateers Vs The Dearborn baby demographic Vs Last Man Standing.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 12, 2016 8:00 AM  

If you want to point to a great problem my fellow millennials have, it's their lack of desire to every own anything.

They don't own their own music. Or movies. They take Uber instead of buying a car. They never buy houses or land.

The blame for our generation has to be internal to a degree, but one might also argue that baby boomers created the environment in which we live. Were everything was handed and nothing ever had to be earned.

My parents are guilty of this, and now have a hard time letting go and seeing me fend for myself in the world.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 12, 2016 8:01 AM  

Yeah, because Gen X never got busy anywhere but their own homes.

Like we never did it at our crappy fast food jobs, the library, the middle of nowhere, a friend's mom's house, Hell even in the back of friend's cars.

It's time to admit it, Millenials are just scared kids and always will be.

Anonymous NorthernHamlet August 12, 2016 8:03 AM  

If you don't get my drift: many women LOVE sex ANYWHERE but in a house. There simply aren't any Millenial men to take advantage of it.

Blogger The Deuce August 12, 2016 8:07 AM  

That's got to be the only sensible thing Samantha Allen has ever written! (Seriously, just Google that name. "She" is relevant to GamerGate.)

Blogger The Deuce August 12, 2016 8:07 AM  

That's got to be the only sensible thing Samantha Allen has ever written! (Seriously, just Google that name. "She" is relevant to GamerGate.)

Anonymous Be Not Afraid August 12, 2016 8:08 AM  

@8 "If you want to point to a great problem my fellow millennials have, it's their lack of desire to every own anything."

Maybe THEY will finally be the ones to make Communism work...

Blogger kudzu bob August 12, 2016 8:13 AM  

@10

I call bullshit.

Blogger James Jones August 12, 2016 8:14 AM  

VD. Your last comments are spot on. We may loathe some of generation snowflake's behaviour, but what chance did they have with their post 60's counter-culture parents.

We cannot abandon them.

Blogger Terry Saulsbury August 12, 2016 8:15 AM  

It has been my contention all along that the reason Millennial males don't own automobiles in the numbers generations before is simply because they cannot afford them. Since so few of them know anything at all about auto mechanics, they can't even buy a clunker and repair it. We have created a generation of Eloi.

Blogger Nick S August 12, 2016 8:16 AM  

They all think they just might be gay.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2016 8:16 AM  

I'm sure voting for Hillary Clinton will really help them along.

Blogger James Jones August 12, 2016 8:18 AM  

Vox hands out tough love. Very tough love.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 12, 2016 8:19 AM  

@13

It wouldn't go along with the consumerism they've been taught.


@16 It's very true. I can do most basic car things myself. But I pay to have anything more advanced done. Part of that though has to do with the sheer complexity of a modern car. Anything from the 80's forward is infinitely more difficult to repair and maintain than the cars from the previous era.

Blogger Lazarus August 12, 2016 8:20 AM  

The people in the previous great depression did not act like this.

There were no 401k's then to not invest in either.

Blogger Patrick August 12, 2016 8:20 AM  

I liked the dig at Douthat.

A lot of what the article bemoans can be explained by simple economics. There's no such thing as long term employment with millenials, it's a 1-2 year stint at best. It's true they change jobs frequently instead of waiting to be laied off, that's just preemptive action on their part. It doesn't make sense to put down roots.

A mortgage what with property taxes on top doesn't make sense. Marriage financially doesn't make sense for guys. A car has become something akin to a boat (definitely in urban areas), the joke being that a boat is a hole in the water you dump money into. Car loan, gas, gas tax, excise tax, exorbitant cost to park. And maybe you are only using a car each day to park at a train station to commute. Why bother with a car at all? Just get a bus pass.

Blogger Patrick August 12, 2016 8:23 AM  

I will criticize the millenials for the cultural stuff. The artisanal BS and how every meal needs to be an experience. A pricey experience. I'll throw the cult of Apple in there too.

Blogger Mhere August 12, 2016 8:24 AM  

What no mention of obesity?

Blogger Tim August 12, 2016 8:26 AM  

If you stop for a 5$ coffee every morning, and eat lunch out every day for 6 to 10$, and work 21 days a month, that works out to $231 to $315, which is a big chunk of a car payment, or a very nice 401K/IRA investment. It depends on what you want to spend your money on. I could afford starbucks every morning and lunch out every day, but my wife brews a pot every morning and I make a mug to go and drink on my way in, and 80% of the time I bring my lunch. And the money goes into 401K and boat. You can keep the overrated Starbucks, and I will keep my boat.

Blogger Johnny August 12, 2016 8:29 AM  

You get the behavior you reward. So how do we reward millennial behavior. Marriage certainly isn't rewarded, nor are kids unless the person is a welfare recipient. Lacking marriage or kids, what is left but indulgence? That can be avoiding the hassles of employment with economy living, or having at most one kid for those who are well employed. We are the incredible self terminating society, and as long as current social conditions are in place that is the way it will be.

Blogger Patrick August 12, 2016 8:30 AM  

Not sure about millenials obesity. A number of millenials I see and not obese, but instead hyper fit. Always going to the gym, always doing charity runs, triathlons, and marathons.

Blogger Mhere August 12, 2016 8:40 AM  

@27 Perhaps in your area, but I believe the numbers are something like 3x more obese 18-29 year olds than 40 years ago.

Blogger rumpole5 August 12, 2016 8:41 AM  

I produced my only son at age 38, so my experience is atypical. I've noticed that most of my Gen X friends who are parents of Millennials have "failure to launch" issues with their kids (as do we with our son). I don't know the cause, but I think that it is more than just economics. At age 22 I took off for Law School, and never spent much time with my parents after that point. They were always loving, and they were supportive, but we lived separate lives. I lived in tiny apartments sleeping on the floor, in my van, in a boat, always on the edge of poverty until I could graduate and work. Because I was young and vigorous, with a lovely young wife, it was all okay.
In contrast, we and our Millennial parent friends just seem to be much much more engaged with our kids and they are more dependent on us, on an emotional level, and it is worrisome. Our kids are really missing a process in which they experience the challenges that we older folks learned to endure or master.

Blogger Johnny August 12, 2016 8:42 AM  

@27 The data is there, Americans are a lot heavier. Start thinking in those terms and then start looking around a walmart. Like the number of people on mobility scooters when the only disability is being blimped out with fat.

Anonymous FisherOfMen August 12, 2016 8:44 AM  

>Not sure about millenials obesity. A number of millenials I see and not obese, but instead hyper fit. Always going to the gym, always doing charity runs, triathlons, and marathons.

Google "The Beautiful Ones."

I have a millenial nephew that spends ALL his time and money grooming. And for nothing-- he does not pursue girls (or even guys), he simply grooms to groom.

Anonymous FisherOfMen August 12, 2016 8:46 AM  

Okay, it looks like Prince has a total monopoly on the phrase "The Beautiful Ones," lol... so here's the link to read about how our human generations seems to be following Calhoun's mouse experiment:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-rats-turned-their-private-paradise-into-a-terrifyin-1687584457

Blogger VD August 12, 2016 8:47 AM  

Not sure about millenials obesity. A number of millenials I see and not obese, but instead hyper fit. Always going to the gym, always doing charity runs, triathlons, and marathons.

Don't snowflake, Patrick. Your anecdotes do not trump macro-statistical data. You are completely wrong.

OpenID paworldandtimes August 12, 2016 8:48 AM  

The people in the previous great depression did not act like this.

True, but Millennials got the full brunt of the Kulturkampf. That which they consider "normal" is a diabolical anti-White air they breathe. You tell someone he's worthless since the moment he first saw a television screen, he might end up believing you.

PA

Anonymous Rien August 12, 2016 8:48 AM  

It may well be too late. After all, who is going to do it? Their parents? Look what they got us into.
It will probably take a real collapse, real hardship, before things can get better again.

Blogger Lovekraft August 12, 2016 8:49 AM  

Readers here were able to identify the diversity/rainbow/PC scam for what it is. Doesn't take much to identify a movement based on shame and false platitudes is not for the solid of ethics.

Imagine how tired these millenials are of this. Humans naturally get bored, and having this crap shoved down their throats, to the point where social media requires them to affirm it constantly will lead to a massive blowback (think about recent indications that this will open up new business models).

The blowback is what we've experienced, but to a lesser degree. Yes, we've had to police our speech at work, we've had to swallow our anger as yet another dindu/mohammedan spits on our society, but we are still somewhat independent. Media won't be so nice in the future.

So my message to millenials is: the increase in the surveillance/PC insanity indicates a coming correction. The tools will emerge in which to neutralize the traitors.

Blogger James Dixon August 12, 2016 8:50 AM  

> When millennials can’t save for retirement anyway, why not spring for some bottomless mimosas instead of enrolling in a 401(k)?

Sigh. Most 401K's have a matching amount the employer puts in. Put in the minimum to max out the match. Put it in after taxes so you can take it out without any penalty. Wait for the match to vest. Pull out our money. Keep theirs as free money. This isn't complicated. Consider it an extended vacation savings plan.

> If you want to point to a great problem my fellow millennials have, it's their lack of desire to every own anything.

You have to be able to afford things to care about owning them.

> They don't own their own music. Or movies. They take Uber instead of buying a car. They never buy houses or land.

Nobody owns their music or movies. Just ask the MPAA or RIAA. They'll be happy to explain it to you. Houses and land cost money and mostly require a stable job history. Good luck with that.

> If you stop for a 5$ coffee every morning, and eat lunch out every day for 6 to 10$..

Or perhaps you work a 28 hour work week at a minimum wage job with half an hour for lunch. You eat at the nearby McDonald's or Burger King from the dollar menu, because you have to be at work by a given time or get fired.

> I could afford starbucks every morning and lunch out every day,

Good for you. I can't, and I've got a halfway decent job at the moment.

Blogger Whisker biscuit August 12, 2016 8:51 AM  

Millennials don't own vehicles or have jobs because those two things would hinder catching all the Pokemon.

Anonymous Takin' a Look August 12, 2016 8:52 AM  

^This

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 12, 2016 8:53 AM  

The poor people have less sex?

Are you fucking kidding me?

No it's not a lack of money or a Boom-Boom Room. The most sex I ever had in my life was when I was dead ass broke.

Now here is one big difference between the Millennials and every preceding generation.

It's a key one.

The cell phone.

I recently asked a friend of mine, "At what age did you give you daughter a cell-phone?"

Friend: "About nine or ten, I think."

Cataline: "And that was for safety right?"

Friend: "Yeah. What's your point, dude?"

Cataline: "Do you think that might have affected how you raised her?"

He had a gratifyingly poleaxed look on his face. Clearly he had never thought about it and clearly it had.

Blogger CM August 12, 2016 9:06 AM  

So NOTHING on false rape accusations, "special" rules for women in divorce/"child" care/ custody settlements, domestic "violence", Title IX, "unexpected" findings in mutual asset considerations, paternity entrapment, and awareness of "lifetime" STDs?

Is it weird I saw this as a positive trend?

Where consequences are being properly paired with actions?

I mean, indiscriminate sex is totally the rage!!! Let me not dissuade you from flirting with pregnancy and abortion, hpv, and false rape accusations! /sarc

I don't see anything wrong with this behavior. While the economic morass and momma's boy syndrom are a bit concerning, they'll figure it out or our under 10s will be the future saviors of the world.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 12, 2016 9:08 AM  

"40. Blogger Cataline Sergius August 12, 2016 8:53 AM
...
Cataline: "Do you think that might have affected how you raised her?"

He had a gratifyingly poleaxed look on his face. Clearly he had never thought about it and clearly it had.
"


We see the product of these choices. Even for a master of the obivous such as myself that much IS obvious. What isn't obvious are the things which that father did different because of the cell phone. I'm trying to come up with some but those that I am seeing don't have enough explanatory power for the effects we see.

What have you seen? What have others seen?

Anonymous The OASF August 12, 2016 9:08 AM  

I'm of two minds about the millennials.

On the one hand, it is clear that they have not been dealt the best hand. All they have literally known in America is war, poverty, inflation, funny-money, terrorism, active shootings, rampant unemployment, Sponge-Bob-Box-Pants, and, oh, yeah... more war.

On the other hand, they have free and open access to mountains of great information, communication (social media & ol' fashion email), various mobile technologies, and other resources that I could not have dreamed of in, say, 1995. I mean, can you say Wi-Fi?

Funny, the other day I thought to myself... that way back in those mid 1990s when I had zero access to alternative news sources or any of that technology (and still surrounded by the same mindless baby-boomers and various assortment of human scum that apply today) - I was still instinctively able to sense that Bob Dole was a worthless GOP candidate, television needed to be shut off all but permanently, and that America was most likely "Mystery Babylon."

So if the millennials don't apply these massive advantages to save themselves and the world around them, then they truly are the most worthless lot of all history.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 12, 2016 9:12 AM  

NorthernHamlet wrote:Yeah, because Gen X never got busy anywhere but their own homes.

Like we never did it at our crappy fast food jobs, the library, the middle of nowhere, a friend's mom's house, Hell even in the back of friend's cars.

It's time to admit it, Millenials are just scared kids and always will be.



Remember that when we were in highschool /college not everyone was carrying around a mini camera in their pocket. Also, the policing environment was much different. Back then if you got caught it was a moment of embarrassment. Now if you get caught, odds are you end up on the internet somewhere forever.

Back then if a policeman caught you. 8/10 he would tell you to move along. 1/10 he may call your parents and 1/10 he would actually arrest you for a crime. Now, 8/10 he is going to arrest and charge you.

Blogger Servant of the Chief August 12, 2016 9:16 AM  

My experience as a millenial in Northern Ireland is pretty atypical of the British isles. The one upside of living in a divided society is that you grow up with identity politics as the norm. You are either a proud Irish Catholic Nationalist or a dirty black protestant hun bastard. Or you're a proud Protestant Unionist or a filthy cat licking Taig bastard if you prefer.

So while the benefits of this is all the white guilt PC culture nonsense has had a much harder time ingraining itself up here (although its slowly starting to win out at long last, starting with companies) culturally and economically we're just as fucked as everyone else. I cannot afford to move out and every time I have talked about renting a place of my own, I get argued down by my family saying it makes more sense to stay at home and commute to work instead. They're right, but that doesnt make it less grating. My brother also stays here despite getting married next year (29 going on 30), and Irish culture is more forgiving of the kids staying at home because of how things were in the past with large families being crampt in relatively small houses.

I was only just able to get a car this year, I have never held a job for more than a year at this point, I am already out of University with student debt having studied law and all I am left with is bitter self loathing, anger and being poor and Irish. As is tradition. My fault for not picking accountancy where all the money is now.

When the collapse eventually comes, millenials everywhere are unbelievably screwed, I dont know how things will be like elsewhere, but here we at least still have plenty of older folks running around who know first hand what it is like to struggle and may be able to give last minute help. Maybe. But one thing is for sure, Gen Z will have NOTHING.

Blogger Brian S August 12, 2016 9:16 AM  

White people don't do well in captivity

Blogger Robert Divinity August 12, 2016 9:20 AM  

I've thought much the same recently. The Millenials deserve pity as much as contempt. The generation may be ripe for recruitment once the SJW Gods fail them. This may take some time and assumes they are just stupid and ignorant and don't have lower IQs.

Blogger Sam Lively August 12, 2016 9:22 AM  

It'd be nice if my fellow Millennials could learn that you can have the decadent life and still be a frugal cash-hoarder.

Getting married young is one way to get out of the sexless basement. Two crappy minimum wage jobs is enough to pay for a decent studio apartment. A crappy futon and a refurbished X-Box with a grabbag of pre-owned games and you are set.

Transportation isn't that hard either. Craigslist makes it pretty easy to get a working car for under $2k. I got a Geo Metro for $900 a few years ago and found out I overpaid once I bluebooked it - that thing is still running fine.

Living cheap and avoiding debt allows you to save, even with really low-incomes. Not enough to buy a house with all the Boomers and Gen Xers in the market, but you can bump up to a nicer apartment and start having kids.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2016 9:25 AM  

@25 And the money goes into 401K and boat. You can keep the overrated Starbucks, and I will keep my boat.

...and the government will keep your 401k.

Anonymous andon August 12, 2016 9:26 AM  

maybe its the low trust society - you go to school with negroids, illegal aliens etc and your affirmative action teachers blame everything on you

Blogger Teri August 12, 2016 9:28 AM  

It's the result of wanting your kids to have an easy life. People used to be tough because their lives were hard and they had to struggle. So they want their kids to have an easier life. Couple of generations of this and you have coddled kids that don't want to be self sufficient.

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 9:29 AM  

A lot of millennials think that whites have no culture, when every advancement Asians didn't do is our culture.

but thinking back there was a lot more opportunity for the older generations

I knew a white guy who said between 10-11 grade he picked berries over the summer and used less than 1/2 his earnings to be a v8 muscle car. Eric Peters covers the problems with modern cars, we could have a 50mpg SUV, but it would only pass the California emissions from 1997. Some modern cars would be totaled if 6 months off the lot all of their airbags went off with no other damage.

So NOTHING on false rape accusations, "special" rules for women in divorce/"child" care/ custody settlements, domestic "violence"

Feminists so destroyed marriage I don't see why anyone would want it, gays could get all the benefits via legal paperwork. The IRS marriage penalty is now double. http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/08/01/irs-increases-marriage-penalty-unmarried-cohabitants-to-get-twice-the-mortgage-interest-deduction/#408ad46214c8

point also being BigClimate made the cost of living artificially higher for everyone

Illegal aliens being able to fraudulently get more in child tax credits than I earned in a year when I was an EMT might have something to do with it.

Yeah, because Gen X never got busy anywhere but their own homes.

Just the other day I told someone that the only gay nurse I ever knew that talked about having sex in public places was Hispanic.

Perhaps in your area, but I believe the numbers are something like 3x more obese 18-29 year olds than 40 years ago

I see a good number of fit white millennials and unfit affirmative action Americans.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 12, 2016 9:29 AM  

A link, if I may, which I think is on topic - Things that have helped to destroy America's social cohesion - generationalism. As usual, it's the fault of the industrio-media complex.

Blogger tz August 12, 2016 9:29 AM  

They have the right, dying their hair blue, or if their mood is such, call the Dr. Kervorkian club for some hemlock so they can do some permanent dyeing so they can avoid suffering. Or just have their parents drink some after examining the will.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 12, 2016 9:37 AM  

I have less sympathy for the Millennial generation than some, for they voted in 2008 and again in 2012 to oppress their economic circumstances. That they didn't understand this the first time is forgivable. The second time? Not so much.

Blogger CarpeOro August 12, 2016 9:38 AM  

What do you expect on a generation where they have had scant reason to even think about religion? In much of urban America and Europe it has become so integral to the vegetable gardens known as public education that there is no God they don't even bother to argue about it. Why is this important? Because at base the idea that something of you continues on after you are gone is the primary motivator for any health culture and religion is the framework that supports it. I was taught years ago (by Dr. Ernst Breisach, a historian) that you have to live in three times - the past, the present and the future. The balance between them that societies come to reflects their state. Over emphasis on the present erodes thoughts of the future or recalling possible solutions from the past (often a state of mind while in was or disaster). Over emphasis on the past undermines efforts to fix issues in the present or plan for the future based in the present realities (state of mind for societies on the way down). Finally, to great an emphasis on the future leads to ignoring the lessons of the past and failing to address issues in the present (any progressive ever). For those who may sperg about this, no, it is not hard and fast law or are there equal divisions to be placed on the balance. There are times when there should be an emphasis on one far out weighing the other two. What is dyscivic is when the over-weighting on any one continues for too long. It saps the vitality of the other two.

With the emphasis on "this is all there is to life" they are stuck in a perpetual present. The past is of little meaning to them and the future looks bleak if they consider it at all. The only way out of this malaise that I can see is to regain the balance. The only way to that is through God. The problem the millennials face is there are so many false prophets out there that they seldom hear the call of the truth, and their parents are so adrift they can offer little guidance to it.

Blogger CarpeOro August 12, 2016 9:39 AM  

"in was or disaster" should be "in wars or disaster"

Anonymous Tiberius M August 12, 2016 9:41 AM  

The car thing may be related to living with the parents until a later age. I noticed that my coworkers (same age) who live alone (most having moved in from other cities) do tend to own cars, while the opposite is true for my kind (who live with their parents).

In my case (born 1990, not sure if I qualify as millennial) - no matter how much money I make or do not make, the financial investment is just not worth it for doing groceries once or twice per week (besides, I can use the family car for that). Everywhere else I go by foot or public transport, which is relaxing and gives me at least two hours a day to reflect on various issues (which is not possible to do while driving in a crowded city).

It will be interesting to see how the car ownership statistic behaves when most of the millennial generation reaches the age when they start reproducing (whenever that may be), since that's the point when cars may actually become useful.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 12, 2016 9:41 AM  

No, I think Vox is right. Obama has been cooking the books for eight years, the economy really IS terrible. It doesn't help that Millenials were fed a lot of guano about how the world works, especially about the need to work your way up. Kids expect instant success...but their parents expect it of them, too. There's unrealistic expectations on both sides.

Blogger Michael Thompson August 12, 2016 9:41 AM  

I think millennial sexual inactivity is even easier to explain than that. American men just don't find American women that attractive anymore.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 9:42 AM  

Hilarious.
I graduated into the depths of the recession in 1982. You couldn't find a job at the point of a gun. People were doing the same thing then as now, with a massive increase in people going to grad school, etc., because no one was hiring.

Somehow I must have missed all the whining, all the woe's me, all the chanting of "BLM," "Che, Che, Che" and "Invade/Invite the World," and (thank God!) the virtue-signaling.

Blogger Barry Dickinson, MD August 12, 2016 9:45 AM  

Raised more in cities than the previous generations. Think all the other bases are covered... feminism, original sin environmentalism, immigration, end of history... but?

Since their parents, teachers, and professors all maleducated them, they're going to need someone to help set them straight.

When the alt-right offers the truth, those want it (or can survive on nothing else) will come. I believe Vox has noted, more atheists convert to Christianity than Christians surrender their faith.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2016 9:48 AM  

@55

Yeah... if somebody jumps off a roof and breaks his legs... hey, I don't know... I expect the person is going to have to suffer for quite awhile. When these guys vote the way they do, they have to suffer the repercussions.

I remember a pretty far-to-the-right and socially conservative college-age millennial on a forum saying he was going to vote for Obama because "gay marriage and climate change". (He was not gay, btw.) Those were the two issues that overrode everything else. I forget if this was 2008 or 2012. I just shrugged and threw my hands in the air.

Looking ahead to this year's election, I think even millennials can grasp the overall narrative that Hillary is a retread that represents doing things how they've been done the past 20+ years, and that Trump's biggest issue is bringing back good-paying jobs. I'll bet millennials break for #HerCrookedness by a wide margin. And you know what? Screw 'em. They need to suffer the consequences of their decision.

Anonymous Hoyos August 12, 2016 9:49 AM  

Thanks for Occam's razoring it out. As a broke ass millennial who know other broke ass millennials, the next boomer who gives me advice that would require a time machine to put into practice can go fuck himself.

The truth is the macroeconomic situation sucks and I'm not saying "not all millennials", I am saying that the same way most young people weren't hippies in the 60s, most millennials aren't SJW special snowflakes. Several of my "scumbag pansy" millennial friends are combat veterans, petro engineers out on their asses after the price of oil tanked, and assorted other professionals.

Part of my own antipathy to the mainstream right is the demand that I make bricks without straw. All self help chest thumping aside, you have to play the hand you're dealt.

Personally I know I'll never stop reaching for more, but I am through taking responsibility for shit that I didn't do. Part of the reason the alt right is weak is way too many of us have decided that helping our young is for fags. Most young people in traditional societies get help on a start in life, and no a massive college loan that you told us to get when we were too youn and stupid to know any better isn't help nor is outsourcing or immigrating every job under the sun.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 9:51 AM  

@52 BGKB, I read your insights and marvel that I'm not in the middle of a crowd burning to a crisp:
1. Every Resettlement Agency and its employees nearby.
2. Every Mestizo-saturated trailer park within two counties.
3. Every Dem and RINO office within two states.
4. Every mass media organ and its employees....period.

The docility of Middle Americans both amazes and appalls me. Apparently the Hard Rightists are correct: The USA still needs to fall much further before it bottoms, so "Elect Hillary so We Can Hit The Bottom." We still have too much to lose to do anything about those who seek our destruction.

There's a paradox for our times: we need to get a lot poorer, and our enemies have to win a lot more battles, before our fellowmen will be roused to take the field of battle.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 12, 2016 9:53 AM  

Thanks for Occam's razoring it out. As a broke ass millennial who know other broke ass millennials, the next boomer who gives me advice that would require a time machine to put into practice can go fuck himself.

You shoulda voted for Ronald Reagan ya little brat. (j/k)

Blogger Escoffier August 12, 2016 9:55 AM  

paworldandtimes wrote:The people in the previous great depression did not act like this.

True, but Millennials got the full brunt of the Kulturkampf. That which they consider "normal" is a diabolical anti-White air they breathe. You tell someone he's worthless since the moment he first saw a television screen, he might end up believing you.

PA


This!

I'm reminded of this piece from Dr. David Yeagley...

""Look, Dr, Yeagley, I don’t see anything about my culture to be proud of. It’s all nothing. My race is just nothing."

The girl was white. She was tall and pretty, with amber hair and brown eyes. For convenience’ sake, let’s call her "Rachel."

I had been leading a class on social psychology, in which we discussed patriotism – what it means to be a people or a nation. The discussion had been quite lively. But when Rachel spoke, everyone fell silent.

"Look at your culture," she said to me. "Look at American Indian tradition. Now I think that’s really great. You have something to be proud of. My culture is nothing."

"You’re not proud to be American?" I asked.

"Oh, I’m happy to be American, but I’m not proud of how America came about."" (snip)

The Cheyenne people have a saying: A nation is never conquered until the hearts of its women are on the ground.

http://www.badeagle.com/html/white_women.html

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 9:57 AM  

@63 Hoyos, you're right, you've hit adulthood after a 50 year run of self-indulgent idiocy poisoned the land on which you walk.

Take heart; when the music finally does stop, most of those who appear to have benefited from those poisoned conditions are also they who are most set up to fall the farthest, top to bottom.

Don't pass too near tall buildings in coming years. It will undoubtedly be raining Baby Boomers who may be rechristened Baby Splatters.

Blogger Nick S August 12, 2016 9:57 AM  

Make generations great again. Raise every generation the way the Greatest Generation was raised. Take away their stuff and kick their asses.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 12, 2016 10:02 AM  

@66: I'm shaking my head. I don't see any other society able to put men on the moon, or do any of the myriad other things Western Christian civilization has done.

Blogger Natalie August 12, 2016 10:06 AM  

Slightly OT: The one upside I see to the "artisan bs" that occupies a lot of millennials is that we DO have a seed group of farmers, brewers, woodworkers, etc from which to rebuild when that becomes desirable. Just walking around the farmer's market - there are a lot of older people, but there are more than a few young people actively involved in this sort of "dirty hands" work. My goal locally is to start cultivating them and see how I can help. For instance, if we move to a barter economy (even for a short time) what would a farmer want from me? That's why I'm trying to expand my hand work skills as well. Things that are nice hobbies now could be produce essentials and/or luxuries down the line.

Anonymous The OASF August 12, 2016 10:12 AM  

@59 "I think millennial sexual inactivity is even easier to explain than that. American men just don't find American women that attractive anymore."

Logical assumption and based on some good observation, but generally incorrect. For most non married men the romp on the dating scene is more like a crack binge, going from one high to the other. Attraction doesn't necessarily have much to do with it.

I think the lack of activity has to do with the fact masculinity has been ridiculed and indeed criminalized in our Satanic society. Millennials have internalized this - though the false-self braggadocio of being "country" or whatever tries to cover up alot of it.

The massive amounts of poisons and toxins younger people are exposed to has had the physiological effect of diminishing male aggression & drive. Though I'm sure even the more aware will chalk that notion up as "conspiracy theory."

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 10:12 AM  

"but they do merit some degree of patience and even forbearance on our part."

Pussy.

Blogger Quadko August 12, 2016 10:14 AM  

I recall the "lazy X-ers" articles from when I was in my 20s. Some things change, some don't, and there will always be some whining about the new adults entering the marketplace even in the best of times.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 12, 2016 10:14 AM  

Make generations great again. Raise every generation the way the Greatest Generation was raised. Take away their stuff and kick their asses.

George Bush and Barack Obama tried to toughen them up with some wars, but it didn't seem to work this time around.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 12, 2016 10:15 AM  

" 66. Blogger Escoffier August 12, 2016 9:55 AM
...
I'm reminded of this piece from Dr. David Yeagley...

""Look, Dr, Yeagley, I don’t see anything about my culture to be proud of. It’s all nothing. My race is just nothing."

The girl was white. She was tall and pretty, with amber hair and brown eyes.
..."


The ignorance of the young willfully aided by traitors to their nation. Every adult in that girl's life is guilty.

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 10:15 AM  

I don't care what your circumstances are. The millenials are in their 30s. They've had plenty of time to figure this shit out by now.

patience and forbearance... give me a break. What they need is a good hard kick in the ass. Their parents need to throw baby bird out of the damn nest. Sink or swim.

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 10:16 AM  

64.dc.sunsets

Actually I just looked at pay scales and there are some EMTs today in the US earning less in a year than the max payout for child tax credits illegals have fraudulently gotten reported on news. White Man Privilege indeed.

Now you know why if TRUMP offered amnesty for those who killed MS-13 gang bangers, drug dealers, and illegals who have taken American's lives, I would be out hunting on Inauguration day with a rainbow feather boa and a mauser. What really galls me is non Asian minorities using ambulances as Taxis for no medical reason, I heard of it on a daily basis in die verse cities.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 12, 2016 10:17 AM  

I think millennial sexual inactivity is even easier to explain than that. American men just don't find American women that attractive anymore.

Keep in mind that it's hard to have sex when you're glued to an X-Box.

Anonymous Satan's Hamster August 12, 2016 10:17 AM  

"I don't see any other society able to put men on the moon"

Yes, MEN!

Where are all the women on the moon?

And what about all the carbon dioxide the rockets spewed out?

The left have been working tirelessly to redefine success as failure and failure as success, because they know they can never achieve anything or make anything themselves, they can only take credit and steal from others. Millennials have internalized much of that garbage.

Anonymous RS August 12, 2016 10:19 AM  

Like always, it's a tale of two means. The Millenials I interact with all have trouble paying attention (blame femication) but they are all smart as shit and as relatively valuable to their experience levels as anyone else in the company. I too see a bunch of Millenials with good (although jittery) careers buying half million dollar homes, who are fitness nuts and can dive into a project (that is until they get bored). Of course, when I go out to eat I see a bunch of Millenials who are completely aimless and can barely pour a beer.

I pity them. They got dealt a shitty hand made a thousand times worse by awful advice and brainwashing.

However, who do you think makes up a majority of the alt-right? The Millenials I have a comfortable enough relationship with to share some somewhat controversial views don't buy into multikulti nonsense, and some are outright nativists and budding white supremacists. It's bizarre. They didn't create this idiotic diversity cult, but some of them seem extremely interesting in fixing it at very high costs.

I pity their generation. Their fight hasn't even begun. And as Vox as noted - some of the more brilliant and hard-right of them are extremely energetic and, honestly, alarming.

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson August 12, 2016 10:20 AM  

I doubt any one single factor is responsible. Probably several factors are, including ones the author dismisses, except for maybe the one about being driven and ambitious. And she could have easily found out what the "porn paradox" is if she'd cared to look, or used some common sense.

Some of these things will feed off each other. Living in the parents' basement when pushing 30 is emasculating. Emasculated men don't seek to build their own families. People without families find cooking for themselves, or working for a living, a pointless chore, since they have no mouths to feed and no one to win bread for. So they eat out more or throw themselves into diversions or hobbies. And on and on it goes.

Blogger Michael Thompson August 12, 2016 10:23 AM  

"Keep in mind that it's hard to have sex when you're glued to an X-Box."

I think there's a reason they're glued to the X-Box though. They get more fulfillment from succeeding in the game than they do trying to pursue a meaningful relationship with someone who has been conditioned to believe that, no matter what, she doesn't need him. That may be a nerdy thing to say, but I'd rather spend my time doing something that makes me feel good about myself than waste my time doing something that hardly ever does.

Blogger Nick S August 12, 2016 10:24 AM  

The OASF wrote:I think the lack of activity has to do with the fact masculinity has been ridiculed and indeed criminalized in our Satanic society. Millennials have internalized this - though the false-self braggadocio of being "country" or whatever tries to cover up alot of it.

Right. Breaking news: The frequency of masturbation among millennials is inversely proportional to the frequency of intercourse. Conclusion: Humans are not evolving. Sex drive remains constant. Social relativism to blame.

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Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 12, 2016 10:26 AM  

@62: Well said. Maybe someday the Millennials will grasp that moral vanity expressed in terms of social/climate justice is not exactly a cost-free proposition.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora August 12, 2016 10:27 AM  

Millennial here. I'm not sure the generation of the Great Depression had an older generation shitting on their head or sitting on jobs and not retiring. Leftists are a vocal portion of the group and most of the rest are casually leftist. I'm going with Anonymous Conservative's explanation for that. I'm holding out for a the collapse I always hear about. Maybe a civil war where I can torture some leftists to death. Anyway, not expecting much from the future,

OpenID paworldandtimes August 12, 2016 10:28 AM  

I recall the "lazy X-ers" articles from when I was in my 20s.

As an X'er I was supposed to identify with Ethanol Hawke's annoying character in "Reality Bites" but the better pop culture icon for our generation is Vedder's "why, why, whyyyy" in the outtro to Black -- the howl of the disposessed generation.

PA

Blogger pyrrhus August 12, 2016 10:30 AM  

Yes, we really need to cut millennials some slack and work with them. They are as talented as any generation, at least the ones that I have taught, but have been sold a bill of goods and deprived of a rigorous education. Many of them have had great difficulty getting any kind of real job...The really good news is that many of these kids now realize that....

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Blogger jas On August 12, 2016 10:34 AM  

Not defending snowflakes or any other such rot, merely commenting on land ownership. I work in an organization which covers everything generation (I was born in 82 if it makes any difference). We have 18 year Olds all the up to about 67/70 year olds. I emailed had the chance to work with many of our more senior folks. To a T, most of them own acreage. Not 1, not 2, but hundreds to thousands of acres of land in the valley and or out east. They always comment on how they paid 10k or less per acre. That's how they could buy it all up in the late 80s through mid 90s. Today, 1 acre in the valley, no buildings no water no nothing, runs about 150k up to 500k. Average suburban house in the valley starts at 350k and climbs higher fast. I got lucky. I worked my ass off and was able to barely get 6 acres to call my own. Jobs, like land, are in slim supply. The older folks aren't retiring anymore (not that I blame them for that). While I can't stand the apathy of those younger than me, I can, to a point, understand why they act the way they do. At least around here, there's not much to look forward to.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 12, 2016 10:34 AM  

I've dealt with Mils who are above average for 'Mericans and average for whites in IQ and other metrics, I would say they are ok.

Go with #47, but this does not mean the usual passivity we must beat the SJW gods to death and with a smile, "It's fun you try it."

Blogger jas On August 12, 2016 10:35 AM  

Not defending snowflakes or any other such rot, merely commenting on land ownership. I work in an organization which covers everything generation (I was born in 82 if it makes any difference). We have 18 year Olds all the up to about 67/70 year olds. I emailed had the chance to work with many of our more senior folks. To a T, most of them own acreage. Not 1, not 2, but hundreds to thousands of acres of land in the valley and or out east. They always comment on how they paid 10k or less per acre. That's how they could buy it all up in the late 80s through mid 90s. Today, 1 acre in the valley, no buildings no water no nothing, runs about 150k up to 500k. Average suburban house in the valley starts at 350k and climbs higher fast. I got lucky. I worked my ass off and was able to barely get 6 acres to call my own. Jobs, like land, are in slim supply. The older folks aren't retiring anymore (not that I blame them for that). While I can't stand the apathy of those younger than me, I can, to a point, understand why they act the way they do. At least around here, there's not much to look forward to.

OpenID paworldandtimes August 12, 2016 10:36 AM  

I'm not sure the generation of the Great Depression had an older generation shitting on their head or sitting on jobs and not retiring.

Up thru GenX, there was plenty of no-skill work a young man could pick up. I worked two dishwashing jobs to make ends meet in 1991. All of the kitchen staff was either college students or cool rednecks, which made those shit jobs fun. My habitat not Spic invaders'.

PA

Blogger praetorian August 12, 2016 10:37 AM  

There simply aren't any Millenial men to take advantage of it.

Generational AMOG-ing is tiresome. The facts of extended male sexual fertility relative to female fertility, hypergamy, social atomization and an increasingly unrestrained, simulated low-investment sexual environment are going to lead to a dynamic of older men shitting on the younger men. We need young men securing mates and raising children. AMOG-ing them online is mental masturbation.

I don't care what your circumstances are. The millenials are in their 30s. They've had plenty of time to figure this shit out by now.

The alt-right is mostly millennials lead by a some younger X'ers and a very few boomers. From what I can tell they've accomplished more practically than we X'ers have. A low bar, admittedly.

If there is any hope, it lies with the chans.

Anonymous The OASF August 12, 2016 10:39 AM  

"The millenials are in their 30s."

To hell with you sir. Don't guilt us folks, still in our 30s, by association.

The cutoff for millennials is birth date of Jan 1st 1990 or later. I swear it is!

Blogger Da_Truth_Hurts August 12, 2016 10:43 AM  

The marxist plan to destroy the traditional nuclear family seems to be working as intended.

Blogger ThirdMonkey August 12, 2016 10:49 AM  

The first day of my senior year of high school, my Daddy sat me down and told my I had one year to figure out what I was going to do with my life, as long as it wasn't in this house. Thankfully, he had been preparing me for it for several years, and it really wasn't a surprise. Since I was 13, I have always had a job. He quit buying clothes for me once I got a job. I even had to pay for my own lunch at school, and my piano lessons for Pete's sake. I started my own business at 15, and when I liquidated and left home, it was enough to pay for tuition for me, my future wife, and help out my sister. (I got married at 19.) I worked full-time while going to school full-time, and finished in 4 years. Some of those jobs sucked. I came home more times that I can count smelling like cow shit, pig shit, fry grease, or stale beer. I lived in crappy apartments in shady neighborhoods. I drove an old truck, and my wife drove an older truck.

My Daddy loved me enough to let life kick my ass when I was young and could recover from it. He was right beside me when I failed, and never let me give up. While I was in college, he would give us some beef occasionally, but other than that, he let us fail, succeed, and figure it out ourselves.

Contrast that with the way the typical millennial was raised. Millenials are soft because their fathers are soft. If they even had a father at home, that is.

Blogger CM August 12, 2016 10:52 AM  

"Look at your culture," she said to me. "Look at American Indian tradition. Now I think that’s really great. You have something to be proud of. My culture is nothing."

My favorite SJW and I talked about this.

He was giving me all this "white privilege" stuff and I told him White Culture has been under assault for most of my life. We are told White Americans have no culture while simultaneously painting everyone as white trash hicks with cut-off confederate tees and mullets.

On the otherside, Hispanics are colorful with good food and boisterous families and fantastic music with a sexy language.

Blacks can dance, have rhythm and their music cultures are lauded and celebrated from Jazz to Hip Hop. You are a sophisticate if you like jazz. A country bumpkin if you like country.

I told him about the "Basic White Bitch" meme and how derisive and dismissive of white girls it is.

You don't get to whine about white privilege while my culture has been mocked and caricatured my entire life.

Blogger Feather Blade August 12, 2016 10:56 AM  

Terry Saulsbury wrote:Since so few of them know anything at all about auto mechanics, they can't even buy a clunker and repair it

To be fair, the supply of clunkers is kind of thin, since that one time that fedgov put a bounty on them.

Blogger Erynne August 12, 2016 10:59 AM  

Millennial here. I ended up living with my parents post-college because I couldn't afford to live anywhere else and pay off my student loans at the same time. My experience is that most of my peers that attended college have been forced to do the same. My most successful peers never went to college. I've looked over my past enough times to realize my college education was the worst thing to ever happen to me.

Anonymous Sheiko29 August 12, 2016 11:03 AM  

I know far too many relatively successful millenials (6-digit salary or near seems a reasonable cut off) to not place some of the blame on those who have failed. Unjustifiable aversion to trade school, enlistment (or OCS), or difficult majors playing a key role. The kitchen remains open. Make your own pie.

Anonymous Rezny August 12, 2016 11:05 AM  

There was a society that did everything else except for the moon landing. It was also a leftist SJW paradise and a grayish hellholle sucking blood from hundreds of millions of normal people for generations.
It only died (well, transformed into something more tame) when the generation parallel to your Gen-X totally stopped caring for the rigged system and either drugged themselves with alcohol or went wild while sometimes feigning superficial obedience.

So maybe when your West will finally die due to Millenials not giving a damn or even pushing it into the Abyss, they will finally be able to build their own West on the ruins, a somewhat better version of it.

Seriously, all your (pretty horrifying from overhere, and also disturbingly reminiscent of our past) Leftist bullshit and comatose economy weren't made by Millenials and they're too young to fight for power yet, might as well indulge a bit while Grandpops rant.

Anonymous johnc August 12, 2016 11:07 AM  

If it's any consolation, the economy is hurting all generations. It's not uncommon at all for people in their 40s and 50s to be laid off and -- let's face it -- they're f'd when it comes to finding new jobs.

And those who do have jobs have less mobility, which means more grab-your-ankles-ness.

If there's one positive it's that the millennials have a variety of unorthodox opportunities that weren't common before. There are a lot of young people out there making six figures (or more) on YouTube videos, astonishing though it is. When I was young the idea of making six figures on anything was out of reach. There is some stuff like that where the Internet age can really break down barriers and open new means of income.

It would be good if the younger generations can be oriented back towards self-employment, etc. rather than the traditional emasculating 40-hour "working for the company" career.

Anonymous JI August 12, 2016 11:09 AM  

I wonder if the Millenials are just the first of the ever-decaying generations that follow a formerly great civilization. I sure hope not for their sake.

Anonymous Athor Pel August 12, 2016 11:15 AM  

" 101. Anonymous Sheiko29 August 12, 2016 11:03 AM
.. Unjustifiable aversion to trade school, enlistment (or OCS), ..."


The aversion to trade school didn't come from the kids themselves, it was pushed by those in authority over them. Government school systems all across this country have been progressively dropping shop classes and pushing college for everyone for a few decades now.

As for OCS, I don't know what it's like trying to get into now but back in the nineties it wasn't easy to get into. Just like the service academies, it isn't for everyone.

Blogger praetorian August 12, 2016 11:16 AM  

Old Economy Steve, the thread.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis August 12, 2016 11:21 AM  

Fundamental problem - robots and business process software. As these increase, jobs decrease. We are close to the point where 30% of the population in the USA is unemployable. By 2030 I predict that number will be 50%. Go look up the statistics of those who COULD be employed but are not instead of unemployment statistics. Note that many are "retired" early, many are on disability instead of working, and many can only work part time (Obamacare really ramped up this latter category). Many who do work do not earn enough to feed themselves and their families (46 million Americans). Finally, many employers prefer to hire people in their 50s and 60s as contractors rather than millennials simply because those older people have way more experience, and the employers don't need to assume the overhead of hiring them as employees. A decade ago there was a lot of age discrimination against older people, the older people responded by becoming contractors, and so now the age discrimination is reversed (in many industries).
Bottom line -- the millennials are screwed, and generation Z is even more screwed.

Blogger Austin Ballast August 12, 2016 11:23 AM  

Something that I have not seen addressed is the question of whether the idea of moving out on your own completely is really a historical norm. Getting or building your own house on the family land may have happened, though I suspect most families didn't have enough land to do that many times. (Hence the drive for celibacy in the RCC, for example.)

Just because moving out on your own has been the norm in all of our lives does not mean it is really the best ideal.

Living in your parents house and mooching off them is not ideal either, but being a valued part of an extended family has merit. We have neither today though. Those who do stay in their parents house rarely work really hard to make it significantly better nor do those same parents seek to help their offspring build their own inheritance.

A single generational focus is likely as effective as a next quarter focus is in business.

Blogger Gordon August 12, 2016 11:28 AM  

The world has changed. In the 1960s and 70s, there were endless jobs for ambitious kids. I subcontracted a newspaper delivery route when I was 8 (I couldn't have it in my name until 12). That put about $100/month in my pocket--pretty good when a new Ford Maverick was $1999. And the freedom--I rode my bike across town on Saturday night at 11 p.m. to get the papers, then rode back across and delivered them, getting to bed at 1:30 or so.

In junior high and high school, work on a hay crew. Hot and itchy but it paid well in cash. A couple of friends worked at the elevator, loading 50-lb bags of feed into customer cars. Can you imagine a better job for getting into top shape for football? Those jobs were automated out (hay) and OSHA-ed out (feed store). Most places one can't even bag groceries.

By the time we could get a license (15) nearly all the boys had a car lined up. We moved out of our parents house as quickly as we could swing it. We could pay for college at a state school with a full-time job in summer and a part-time job during fall and spring.

Now we have safer, less polluting cars, better housing, and those crappy jobs are done by immigrants. College costs a mortgage. But as I told a recent grad (owes nearly $100,000), "You had a vice-president for diversity, and a climbing wall. I hope you used the wall."

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 11:30 AM  

To be fair, the supply of clunkers is kind of thin, since that one time that fedgov put a bounty on them.

They called it cash for clunkers but only paid for cars with no problems. Basically to get all the good old cars out of the way.

Government school systems all across this country have been progressively dropping shop classes and pushing college for everyone

Not only that but they want every nigger to apply for college so that the numbers not admitted can look disparate even with horrible academic records.

Blogger Erynne August 12, 2016 11:36 AM  

A part of me also wonders what sort of societal effect college has had from moving kids all over the place. College was my ticket out of a rural area, as it was for every kid I knew in high school. Few of us live in our hometown. Then, everyone I met in college all moved far away from each other after graduating. Every place I've lived I've had to build a local network from scratch. One of my in-laws has four hardworking, good Christian kids, but all of them live several States away from their family. I live in a different country from my parents. Most of my friends live halfway across the nation from their parents (any who are not living in the basement, of course). Even nuclear families become distant because of college, I just wonder how widespread that is and if it's had any effect on the culture at large.

Blogger Orville August 12, 2016 11:50 AM  

@8 If you want to point to a great problem my fellow millennials have, it's their lack of desire to every own anything.

I doubt that is the case, but if I were starting out again it's what I'd do, and stash the savings away.

@80 I too see a bunch of Millennials with good (although jittery) careers buying half million dollar homes...

I see this too. My millennial son's in-laws and gen x friends are pressuring them to buy a house, but they bought a nearly new SUV with $500 monthly payments to infinity, and $550 a month Obummercare payments because they make just enough not to qualify for the subsidy. Plus the mortgage companies are back to their subprime ways, they could get a loan for nice house, but they really can’t afford it. I'm taking every opportunity to talk him into renting a house.

The economy is in the shitter. It took my former gen x boss (a hard worker) a year and a half to get a new job after she was pushed out due to a merger. She is in a completely different field now, and I suspect making considerably less.

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Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist August 12, 2016 11:52 AM  

If there's one positive it's that the millennials have a variety of unorthodox opportunities that weren't common before. There are a lot of young people out there making six figures (or more) on YouTube videos, astonishing though it is.

I think the number of individuals worldwide making 6 figures from Youtube is likely much closer to 1,000 than 10,000, so I don't think is much to celebrate about. Compare that to the millions of manufacturing jobs that have been lost in the U.S. alone, and you more clearly see some of the obstacles that millennials face. How many line-workers at Ford, GM and Chrysler went on the become C++ programmers when their jobs were lost to automation and other factors.

Blogger RobertT August 12, 2016 11:53 AM  

Adversity builds character. Cake walking through life builds vanilla people.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 11:55 AM  

Immigrants get the jobs that these "Americans won't do."

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 11:55 AM  

Immigrants get the jobs that these "Americans won't do."

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 12, 2016 11:57 AM  

Millenials have been heavily tracked across the surface of bubbles, and expected to appear "equal" with diverse peers throughout. The Christless childhood eutopic bubble led to the late childhood war bubble, which led to the early adulthood economic bubble. Now adults, there are no more bubbles: it is "new normalized" actual poverty, actual commitment hazards,

They can't just "get married" when state marriage is automatically no fault AND gay, i.e. a fully converged mockery of the institution. They can't just "join the army" when that's just a militarized hypersensitive diversity fest. They can't "buy a car" when the government is the type to criminalize and pay to destroy the most sensible and affordable of that type! Of course, they can't just "go to college to get a green card" like gen X did, much less "to get a good job" like the BB did.

Because Baby Boomers wanted it, and Gen X didn't care, the Millenials were raised as Generation Gamma in a degenerate culture in the final stages of SJW convergence. This will be their final bubble, one way or the other.

Let us, therefore, do the work to rebuild the walls of the West, so they may at the very least know that a better shelter than the one they were raised in is possible.

Yes, they are annoying as hell. Yes they are ridiculously confident when they ought not be, and likewise ridiculously insecure in other areas. Yes they are widely tempted by the Narrative in every phase. But you can either lament this, or show up, speak up and help out. That may only go so far, but it is the only civil thing to do.

Blogger RobertT August 12, 2016 12:00 PM  

Millenials should be natural Trump voters. Anybody care to take that on?

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 12:03 PM  

All those small businesses that got destroyed under Obama will not come back because off all the extra regulations they have now. That's what the Koch's claim as the reason they don't like law & order.

We finally got bipartisanship, Leftists want illegal alien and black criminals to go free, and the Neo Cohens on the right want the Bernie Madoffs & John Corzines to be free. Sounds like a bad deal for us.

http://www.unz.com/isteve/why-are-the-koch-brothers-on-the-warpath-against-law-and-order/

Anonymous Stephen Ward August 12, 2016 12:08 PM  

@40 Cataline
"Do you think that might have affected how you raised her?"

I won't dispute that Catalane, but how do you think having the cell phone affected her parenting? helicopter parents?

Blogger Brian S August 12, 2016 12:09 PM  

RobertT wrote:Millenials should be natural Trump voters. Anybody care to take that on?

should?... yeah, probably. However, any attempt at talking about Trump (in anything other than a negative light) requires hour long explanations about of all the bullshit being manufactured about him. He's great for already "red pilled" people, but the way he talks is galvanizing the left into voting for an open criminal.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 12:14 PM  

Government school systems all across this country have been progressively dropping shop classes and pushing college for everyone

Teachers in my wife's district are told that their job evaluation rests on getting every kid ready for college. Her teammate has a girl in class this year with a sub-60 IQ. ISYN.

I do feel bad for young adults. Their parents were too stupid to counsel them against burying themselves in loans for "educations" that prepared them for HOBBIES, not occupations. I'm surprised they're not all slitting mom's and dad's throats.

My kids are thriving. Seriously thriving. Two already have kids and stay-at-home wives/full-time moms (you know, just like we did in in the Stone Age!)

Ah, the rub. Not one in 1000 people could do what they're doing. From HS math team state finalists to major academic scholarships and finishing college way early (the 2.5 year plan instead of today's norm, the 5+ year plan), they have rare advantages.

For the average person who takes an average path, there is no Pot-a-Gold at the end of that rainbow. That ship sailed away with NAFTA, etc., and isn't returning due to robotics.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 12:20 PM  

Immigrants get the jobs that these "Americans won't do." at the price said immigrants will do them.

Gee, I wonder what ever happened to Econ 101 and supply-demand curve price models? A tsunami of job-seeking immigrants couldn't have anything to do with wage stagnation since 1995, right?

Of course, without that wage stagnation the Fed/Treasury would have more difficulty maintaining the illusion that there's no real inflation....right?

The Fed: "Wow, we created trillions of dollars in new credit money and look, NO INFLATION!, while stocks, real estate, et.al. skyrocketed in value, and we're all RICH, RICH, RICH!"

Rinse and repeat until the ZA arrives.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2016 12:25 PM  

praetorian wrote:If there is any hope, it lies with the chans.

This.
Shoulda seen the look on my son's face when he saw me hanging out on /pol/ a couple of months back.


This thread reminds me of Kevin Williamson's article on NRO back in June "The White Middle-class Communities We've Killed And Handed Over To Drug Addition And Despair Deserved To Die."
Maybe we could call it "Millenials Trying Desperately To Build a Life Out Of The Pile Of Shit We Handed Them Are Pathetic And Covered In Shit."

Blogger Escoffier August 12, 2016 12:25 PM  

In my profession (culinary) education had the effect of inverting reality. Kids now come out of school (LOL wut?) thinking they are ready to be a Chef, which is a bit mental as experience is a key component of that job function.

I find that as a rule the education profession is a scam and a sham.

Blogger Brian S August 12, 2016 12:29 PM  

robots make shitty jobs easier, and usually safer, they also need technicians, programmers and (sometimes) operators, by themselves they don't worry me over much if the immigration situation changes.

what worries me is...
- lack of identity
- no sense of purpose
- over developed sense of altruism

Blogger Sam Lively August 12, 2016 12:34 PM  

@109

There are definitely fewer jobs for teenagers (outside of family employment and retail) but there are still opportunities to reproduce the type of coming-of-age you described.

For one, you can still pay as you go through college. College tuition has definitely gone insane, but I'm surprised more Millennials reject (or haven't found) the readily available cheap routes.

Community college is still dirt cheap - you can get more than halfway to your bachelor's for $2,000 total.

With 70 transferable units from CC, you only need 50 units from a 4-year college to get your bachelor's. Going in-state to a state school, tuition's been rising but it's only risen to about $3,000 a full-time semester where I am. At 15 units a semester, it's only about $10,000 to finish that degree.

So without any scholarships or financial aid other than in-state discounts, you can get a bachelor's for a total of $12 grand. Any kid working part-time at minimum wage for the final 2 years of high school can save that easily.

Blogger Latigo3 August 12, 2016 12:40 PM  

I don't have any patience for millennials. At a certain point each adult has to stop blaming their circumstances, their past and any other thing that they feel is holding them back. I think one of the biggest problems that millennials face is their lack of reading skills. Reading text and email messages is nothing like learning to read and comprehend a good book. They have been taught that everyone wins and then when they get out into the world they blame everyone else for their woes.

Blogger praetorian August 12, 2016 12:41 PM  

RobertT wrote:Millenials should be natural Trump voters. Anybody care to take that on?

Look at TheDonald and the chans: all millennials. There is a huge price to be paid right now for signaling you are pro-trump or even just not anti-trump on the coasts and in the schools. Bernie got a lot of the left-leaning nationalist youth and it's gonna take them a bit of time to come around to Trump.

I'm optimistic about the kids. I would put money on a majority of white millennials going heavily for Trump. We can't hold the white millennials responsible for the shit taco demographics that (((The Greatest Generation))) stuck them with.

Blogger praetorian August 12, 2016 12:43 PM  

Latigo3 wrote:Reading text and email messages is nothing like learning to read and comprehend a good book.

A frog meme has done more to shift the political dialog in the last two years than all the books written by conservative and libertarian think tanks in the last fifty.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 12:45 PM  

@127 Sam Lively,

You nailed it. My youngest started comm. college at 15, taking night classes. Went to school year round in college, got all his gen-ed's at com.col. prices. Finished at 20 years of age, had a highly paid summer internship before his last sem., was hired into a major corporation in IT before he could legally drink.

His peers were busy "getting the full college experience," having no idea when they'd finish college. [True story: this son worked at the campus "help desk" fixing students' computers and a coworker/student, two years older, still had no idea what he had left in order to graduate.]

This son bought a brand new house at 21, while most of his peers were still piling debt on debt, drinking Heineken, trying to figure out how to bed the girl down the dorm hall. At 25 he's a full adult, married to a nice girl, has a wonderful infant son, is winning company-wide awards for important projects that few people of any age in the corporation are bringing in.

The truth is out there. No one's looking for it, that's all. Everyone's too busy showing off their latest tattoo, or posting about it on faceplant.

Blogger praetorian August 12, 2016 12:49 PM  

The truth is out there. No one's looking for it, that's all. Everyone's too busy showing off their latest tattoo, or posting about it on faceplant.

Do you blame the kids for that?

Or the parents?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 12:51 PM  

Sam Lively, my kids should move to where you live. The cheapest BA/BS in Illinois, doing it like a professional coupon cutter, is well over $50,000 now. No wonder anyone with a brain is abandoning this sinking ship.

That said, you can get a BA in photography and an MS in being a novelist, or spend $20k over 10 months in "business college" to become qualified as a Medical Assistant (which pays just above minimum wage.)

There have been few times in history more illustrative of the adage, "A fool and his money are soon parted." Today, we even part the fools from their future money.

Blogger Latigo3 August 12, 2016 12:53 PM  

As I look around and I look at millennials and their culture, I see several generations of people that are already conditioned for spiritual and physical slavery. I see a people that has enslaved itself to self-gratification, self-fulfillment, basically everything is about self. Self at the center with no room for God.

Blogger James Dixon August 12, 2016 12:54 PM  

> Hilarious. ... I graduated into the depths of the recession in 1982. You couldn't find a job at the point of a gun. People were doing the same thing then as now, with a massive increase in people going to grad school, etc., because no one was hiring.

The forgotten recession. Yeah, I graduated then too. So did my wife.

> To be fair, the supply of clunkers is kind of thin, since that one time that fedgov put a bounty on them.

I've been watching prices. They've been dropping the past few years, so it's getting possible to buy a reasonably priced used car again.

Anonymous Headcannon August 12, 2016 12:55 PM  

A lack of jobs and a surplus of overweight women will do that.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 1:02 PM  

Do you blame the kids for that?

Or the parents?


What's your answer? I see people in their 50's and 60's getting full sleeve tattoos nowadays. It's like watching the average IQ of Americans drain away as fast as water goes down a flush toilet. Zombie apocalypse, indeed.

I keep hoping that all these parents who encouraged their darlings to get useless degrees (while screwing their way through one dorm after another) and contributed by mom & dad pawning the family home...that those clowns will someday have junior or princess tell them, "Hey, I didn't pawn your house. That's now your problem."

A lesson I taught my sons from Day One: No one is looking out for you except your mom and me. To everyone else, you're either a pawn or a mark. It's just business, it's not personal so don't take it that way, but in reality you're On Your Own.

HS guidance counselors? Idiots spouting Narrative Platitudes.
Campus Police? There to keep the paying customers out of jail and on campus so the checks keep coming. College counselors? There to keep you ON CAMPUS as long as humanly possible. Your presence is the CONDUIT by which they reach (through you) to grasp the MONEY available at lenders, private and public.

Yes, it was adults who financially raped the proto-adults (including their own kids.) But Ben Franklin was editing a real newspaper at 14. People remain infantilized only if they embrace it. Slaves forge the chains of their own enslavement.

And there's no saving a child whose parents are fools. The child saves himself or is guaranteed a barrel-ride over Niagara Falls.

That's my 2 cents.

Blogger Sam Lively August 12, 2016 1:04 PM  

@133

That's insane. I'm in California, where the lower-tier state colleges (CSUs not UCs) run less than $6k for an academic year.

Your son sounds like a go-getter which most of us just aren't, but I've always been half-slacker and I made it out okay. I goofed off my fair share and dropped out of school to get married/work full-time, but with night classes I ended up being able to finish my bachelor's while working full-time and then throw a master's on top of that all without a penny of debt (and no scholarships or financial aid either).

And my degrees were downright silly too (Film), but they still make it easier to qualify for a variety of steady-ish white-collar jobs and get out of the retail dead-end. Plus with the graduate degrees you can get work adjuncting to help other Millennials with their silly degrees.

Blogger Sam Lively August 12, 2016 1:07 PM  

@135

I don't think cash for clunkers affected the market much at all. I haven't paid more than $3 grand for a car in 12 years of buying them used. Only one real lemon out of the lot.

Anonymous andon August 12, 2016 1:07 PM  

127. Blogger Sam Lively August 12, 2016 12:34 PM

Community college is still dirt cheap - you can get more than halfway to your bachelor's for $2,000 total.


this is a great deal

gotta say some of the students are still ungrateful though. about 10 years ago in Sacramento area the JuCo district decided to raise the price of a semester regional bus pass from $5 to $7.50 and the students were shamelessly protesting this decision. the local news reporters were too stupid to check around and do the math or they might have found out that the disabled and elderly were paying $30-$50/month for this same pass (good for free travel on public transit - buses, light rail etc throughout the Sac region) and regular folks $60-$90/month depending on the price of natural gas. I thought about signing up for a few classes just to get the cheap bus pass - if it was good for 3 months, it was worth up to $270 and these ingrates were angry they might have to pay $7.50 instead of $5. btw most of the protestors I saw were brown and prob here illegally


Blogger Were-Puppy August 12, 2016 1:08 PM  

they do merit some degree of patience and even forbearance on our part. Since their parents, teachers, and professors all maleducated them, they're going to need someone to help set them straight.
---

I have that same feeling, and a half fleshed out theory about the whole millenials that I haven't seen anyone else throw out.

For GenX, we were able to meet our Grandparents who were in the Greatest Generation. We can remember some of those sage words of wisdom passed on from that generation and those times. We can see that which is being lost since those days - we were partially there.

For Millennials, they have seen only the Silent and Boomers Generations - those who were very happy to throw away all that was before them.

I don't think Millennials really can comprehend what has been lost, what is still being lost. They really never saw it.

So when speaking to them, you have to understand their perspective in that way.

Blogger Gordon August 12, 2016 1:15 PM  

Sam Lively,

It's a bit more in Minnesota. And you did not allow for books, which cost more now than tuition did back in my day. A year at Metro State, with books and fees, is $9,000. It looks like a year at community college here is about $7000 based on 15 hrs/semester and $1K for books. So that's $32,000 for four years.

Now a smart kid who lived near enough to a state college could knock off most of a year by using the program that lets them take college classes in high school. The courses count for credit in HS, a double dip.

Blogger Starbuck August 12, 2016 1:19 PM  

Check your privilege.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 12, 2016 1:24 PM  

@35 Rien
It may well be too late. After all, who is going to do it? Their parents? Look what they got us into.
---

If you are an aunt or uncle, you can make a very valuable impression on them.

Blogger Sam Lively August 12, 2016 1:27 PM  

@142

I always BS'd my way out of buying the ridiculously priced books. Usually they are on reserve at the campus library if you can carve out a couple extra campus hours for studying. Or you can buy older editions for dirt-cheap used - most of the new editions are just blatant cash grabs with minimal new additions.

In a few cases I just didn't even buy or read the books - a lot of professors only assign books because they have to and do the bulk of their grading/testing based on their lectures.

I was liberal arts though, so that might be a tougher feat for math and science intensive degrees. Even then though, used early editions are a life-saver.

Blogger praetorian August 12, 2016 1:28 PM  

What's your answer?

I blame the parents.

And also the jews, just for good measure.

For GenX, we were able to meet our Grandparents who were in the Greatest Generation.

Remember, it was The Greatest who abdicated during the 1965 immigration reform, making the end of America inevitable, and who raised the Boomers.

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

Anonymous Newcomer August 12, 2016 1:35 PM  

dc, from what part of (the "great" state of) IL do you hail? (I'm down in east central.)

Anonymous A Visitor August 12, 2016 1:42 PM  

"Yeah, because Gen X never got busy anywhere but their own homes.

Like we never did it at our crappy fast food jobs, the library, the middle of nowhere, a friend's mom's house, Hell even in the back of friend's cars.

It's time to admit it, Millenials are just scared kids and always will be."

@9 I'm an outlier here. Yeah, I'm scared of Hell and not afraid to admit. Eternal damnation vs. a few minutes of boinking...hmmm...tough choice that one.

"If you want to point to a great problem my fellow millennials have, it's their lack of desire to every own anything."

@8 I am sure you want to own a house as much as I do but I can't afford it right now. Hell, I'm barely making ends meet. On my fifth job in three years here (first two were crappy federal contracting jobs, one of those two companies only exists now on paper (the Feds took them down), the other one will be suffering the same fate probably in November and the other two have been temp jobs)...had to jump industries just to find a decent paying job. Even then, I'm playing catch up savings wise.

"It has been my contention all along that the reason Millennial males don't own automobiles in the numbers generations before is simply because they cannot afford them. Since so few of them know anything at all about auto mechanics, they can't even buy a clunker and repair it. We have created a generation of Eloi."

@16 I come from an extremely upper class background and was never taught diddly re: mechanics. Making a list of things I want to teach my own children (once I marry which) as well as learn myself that my parents never taught me.

"The people in the previous great depression did not act like this.

There were no 401k's then to not invest in either."

@21 My IRA hasn't been contributed too in three years. I don't have the money...yet.

"I will criticize the millenials for the cultural stuff. The artisanal BS and how every meal needs to be an experience. A pricey experience. I'll throw the cult of Apple in there too."

@23 It doesn't at least as far as I'm concerned. Re: Apple, I've been using them since '92 (born in '86)...brand loyalty is what it does it for me despite the fag CEO that hates my state.

Anonymous A Visitor August 12, 2016 1:43 PM  

"In contrast, we and our Millennial parent friends just seem to be much much more engaged with our kids and they are more dependent on us, on an emotional level, and it is worrisome. Our kids are really missing a process in which they experience the challenges that we older folks learned to endure or master."

@29 One of the happiest days of my life was taking off for that first job out of grad school with a federal contractor in California. Yeah, I hated the near year I worked for them (due to their corruption and unrealistic work expectations) but I loved the down time: I lived in an apartment and slept on an air mattress for 9 months. It can be done.

"I have a millenial nephew that spends ALL his time and money grooming. And for nothing-- he does not pursue girls (or even guys), he simply grooms to groom."

@31 He sounds like a metro...kinda like Christian Bale in American Psycho.

"Imagine how tired these millenials are of this."

Considering all the nonsense I've seen on the Fed side of the coin and that includes a stint at a US Embassy, and knowing full well the vast majority of those of my generation including my siblings, I am beyond tired of that diversity BS. Nobody believes me because feelz trump realz.

"Millennials don't own vehicles or have jobs because those two things would hinder catching all the Pokemon."

@38 Fuck Poekmon (and Pokemon Go). There I said it.

"On the other hand, they have free and open access to mountains of great information, communication (social media & ol' fashion email), various mobile technologies, and other resources that I could not have dreamed of in, say, 1995. I mean, can you say Wi-Fi? "

@43 No TV only Internet here. Anyone can no longer claim (provided they use good sources) to be ignorant of what a candidate really says, what constitutes a mortal sin, etc.

"I get argued down by my family saying it makes more sense to stay at home and commute to work instead. They're right, but that doesnt make it less grating. My brother also stays here despite getting married next year (29 going on 30), and Irish culture is more forgiving of the kids staying at home because of how things were in the past with large families being crampt in relatively small houses."

@45 I struck out the second time in three years back in June (I could finally afford to). One of my parents gave me that better to stay at home BS. I signed the lease. I'll be 30 in December. Thankfully no debt...just near broke. If you can afford rent and a bit to eat, move. It'll do wonders for your sanity.

"Couple of generations of this and you have coddled kids that don't want to be self sufficient."

@51 Describes both of my sisters two a T. One still lives with my parents the other lives with her husband in a mortgaged house five minutes by car from my parents. Trust me, it's not due to wanting to live near my parents just to help them, either.

"Illegal aliens being able to fraudulently get more in child tax credits than I earned in a year when I was an EMT might have something to do with it."

@52 BGS, when I was out in CA, I could've been making more on welfare if I had a wife and two kids than working full time in my then job.

Anonymous A Visitor August 12, 2016 1:44 PM  

"I have less sympathy for the Millennial generation than some, for they voted in 2008 and again in 2012 to oppress their economic circumstances. That they didn't understand this the first time is forgivable. The second time? Not so much."

@55 Proud to say I did not vote for that motherfucker either time.

"Looking ahead to this year's election, I think even millennials can grasp the overall narrative that Hillary is a retread that represents doing things how they've been done the past 20+ years, and that Trump's biggest issue is bringing back good-paying jobs."

@62 I'm old enough to remember all the scandals including Lewinsky. May Hillary stroke out in a debate and end up comatose and/or dead. I mean that. She is evil. She must not be allowed to assume the throne.

"everal of my "scumbag pansy" millennial friends are combat veterans, petro engineers out on their asses after the price of oil tanked, and assorted other professionals.

Part of my own antipathy to the mainstream right is the demand that I make bricks without straw. All self help chest thumping aside, you have to play the hand you're dealt.

Personally I know I'll never stop reaching for more, but I am through taking responsibility for shit that I didn't do. Part of the reason the alt right is weak is way too many of us have decided that helping our young is for fags. Most young people in traditional societies get help on a start in life, and no a massive college loan that you told us to get when we were too youn and stupid to know any better isn't help nor is outsourcing or immigrating every job under the sun."

@63 Best friend did a year in Afghanistan, one sibling who is a doctor (studied electrical engineering), another buddy who is a EE (power systems to be precise), etc. Keep your chin up bro.

"The cutoff for millennials is birth date of Jan 1st 1990 or later. I swear it is!"

@95 It's actually 2000. That's how we look at it in the life insurance world.

" I started my own business at 15, and when I liquidated and left home, it was enough to pay for tuition for me, my future wife, and help out my sister. (I got married at 19.) I worked full-time while going to school full-time, and finished in 4 years. Some of those jobs sucked. I came home more times that I can count smelling like cow shit, pig shit, fry grease, or stale beer. I lived in crappy apartments in shady neighborhoods. I drove an old truck, and my wife drove an older truck."

@97 Sounds legit. I didn't even think about marriage until this past January...was too busy working on degrees and starting a career that blew up on me. One of the reasons my apartment costs so little in the city I live in (live in a capital) is because there's no AC. My mom couldn't believe it when she saw the place. It's fine though...my girlfriend doesn't mind.

"Unjustifiable aversion to trade school, enlistment (or OCS), or difficult majors playing a key role."

@101 Trade was never suggested to me, enlistment or OCS were no goes due to being 4F, and my majors would've paid well...except they didn't.

@112 I'm not buying a house until I buy it in cash. Screw mortgages.

"They can't just "join the army" when that's just a militarized hypersensitive diversity fest."

@117 Many I knew at Fort Irwin weren't happy with the way the Army was going.

"I won't dispute that Catalane, but how do you think having the cell phone affected her parenting? helicopter parents?"

Anonymous A Visitor August 12, 2016 1:44 PM  

@120 One night I told my parents I was going to a friend's house...this was right after getting a phone (which they insisted on). They didn't hear me. Next morning (after a lightning round of drinking like I always did in high school and slightly hungover) I see I have 9 voicemails...all from my mom. She was pissed...and worried...just couldn't hear me over the TV apparently.

"Self at the center with no room for God."

@135 Part of the local Catholic counterculture where I live..so nice.

Blogger KRW August 12, 2016 1:48 PM  

Ah yes, it seems that Lucy from the Pit is gearing up for the final push. Very patient it has been all these millennia. Always manipulating behind the scenes. Always covert. Always applying pressure to its' goal. Sometimes a step backwards but that does not negate the two steps forward. The human becomes increasingly unaware of this to their detriment. That being said, perhaps this generation under discussion could be approached to join the forces of pushback against the pressure. I have read that the lost and disenfranchised still have the choice that was given to all so very ago. Is it possible to build an army of good out of them? The battles to come can use all the good that can be had.

KRW

Anonymous Hieronymus Cowherd August 12, 2016 1:57 PM  

@60  I graduated the year before and puttered around doing nothing jobs while looking for something in my field.  I landed one in 1982, got a better one later that year and never looked back.

Today there is almost nothing for Americans in my field.  Everything is occupied by Indians on H1-B visas.

Blogger RobertDWood August 12, 2016 1:57 PM  

The bmi bell curve in the under 30 camp is significantly flattened compared to other ages.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 12, 2016 2:03 PM  

At the gym was a commercial for more GMO obesogenic foods called unicorn cakes, unicorns...Snowflakes and unicorns.

I have compassion for the mil'len plights, they've been brain washed, poorly raised and they just...they are more checked out than gen x and that is a bad sign. They believe in AGW, love birth control, have this obsession not so much with the beauty of Japanese culture but very questionable anime (I know because I am sent a lot of anime shows that made me bristle but in that its good art. However we cannot live in an anime, the mil'lens want to live inside such things its often what drives hair color), and pop redux or population reductions, (due to the satanic NEA) they are strong atheists.

But some are not many are believing in Chris. It just appears our ultimate expert on this matter is Milo, baby Nero and Kate Hopkins tries to help these kids and I dont know if they can be reached every time the right people reach out to them they start thrashing like its a aspie ptsd event - I don't know what to expect from these kids.

Mil'lens are driving the demand to legalize edible in-de-ka mary jane, I dont know but that is what I am observing. I guess its very sedating? I dont care about the drug issue, what I care about is that a virtue centric, honorable generation like genx fought the boomers back the mil'lens often want to stay, be-live-checked out and high.

141 Baby Wer Puppy! Always enjoy your comments, I was corrected one say by a mil'len whom said, "you will talk with me not to me."

I had no idea I slighted them, a kind word turns wrath away so I said (thinking to myself what a snowflake) "of course I want to talk and converse with you I care about what you are feeling."

It is complex at times to constantly have to relate with the young'uns or the youngers in feelings when mil'lens kinda have a degree of social autism even boomers seem to exhibit nearly identical odd traits. I think its the vaxxing.

Regarding sexuality, my mil'lens and I talk about stuff, (its cousins - we dont have anymore baby boomers to hang out with so now is just 2 teens, a couple of 20 somethings and a lot of genxers of which I am called old. I was called so old "I never hit the wall, the wall hit me so hard I still have a concussion from it because I tell them crazy stuff like zero hedge content.")

Real joke, stuff they say so cute.

Anyhow some tell me how they think sex is messy, germy and dating is a drama hassle. For which I play Duran Duran's Too Much Information in that song its well known the media/nea brainwashed these kids. They never heard Duran Duran and think 311 is brand new. I love them, such comedy.

Blogger S1AL August 12, 2016 2:07 PM  

"I don't have any patience for millennials."

And we don't have any patience for the people who got us into this mess. Just remember that.

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 2:18 PM  

Immigrants get the jobs that these "Americans won't do." at the price said immigrants will do them

http://www.vdare.com/posts/the-horror-the-horror-hungarian-xenophobia-is-raising-standard-of-living-of-hungarians

Yeah, I hated the near year I worked for them (due to their corruption and unrealistic work expectations) but I loved the down time

Its possible to be rewarded for reporting fraud, just never let a later job find out about it;);)

but I am through taking responsibility for shit that I didn't do.

3 non Asian minority travelers in a row fail etoh/drug tests in one week, all for the same position, department head asks "what's wrong with your company", I said "I passed the drug test, if you want I will take it again, but you got all of their credentials just like mine,... if you want me to be responsible for anyone else's actions you need to pay charge pay"

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 2:27 PM  

@148 Newcomer, I'm in the county with the highest per-capita violent crime rate in the state, across the street from the 5th most dangerous mid-sized city in the USA. That'll give you a hint.

I like my (tiny, modest) house. My wife's job is here, and she has a couple more years to go on it. My neighborhood is deteriorating; we're among the few original occupants left, and it seems that once houses get older than 25 or so, the riffraff is who buys in as homes change hands.

I carry my home on my balance sheet at $0.00, figuring that before we leave, the clowns running this graft palace will raise taxes so high that it simply zeroes out all property value. I pay a solid 33% higher property taxes, per market value, than does a resident of Chicago. It pays to have the crooks as neighbors.

I imagine you know what I mean. In spades.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 2:34 PM  

As an addendum, my kids' successes are theirs, not mine. The only voluntary contribution on my part was that I saw to it that they knew of the stupid mistakes I had made (massive underperformance in school being one, failing to have goals or expectations for myself a close second) so they could avoid mine and find their own stupid mistakes to make.

I am stuck with the errors I embedded at the beginning of my life. We all are. One of my themes was, "be careful what you do, everything you do becomes a part of you forever." Another was that they were told when quite young that their future resembled a hallway full of doors, each an opportunity. Until they knew what it was they wanted from life, the goal was to keep those doors open. That meant that even if they couldn't always see the rationale for working hard on things and doing their best, they needed to do so to avoid discovering later that prior sloth had closed a door to them that they now wished to pass through.

For the most part, it was a good metaphor. My youngest proved that there were alternate paths, but I don't necessarily recommend them. That man could charm the pants off a nun (but I don't think he used his charm for field-playing purposes.)

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 12, 2016 2:42 PM  

Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus wrote:I think millennial sexual inactivity is even easier to explain than that. American men just don't find American women that attractive anymore.

Keep in mind that it's hard to have sex when you're glued to an X-Box.


Sex is not that important unless children are the intended outcome. Peopel can live without it. We just put a rather high cultural importance on it

Heck you could even make an argument that if they are not married and not having sex and avoiding porn (not that this is the case mind you) and playing X-Box its less sinful and therefore better than some alternatives

dc.sunsets wrote:@52 BGKB, I read your insights and marvel that I'm not in the middle of a crowd burning to a crisp:

1. Every Resettlement Agency and its employees nearby.

2. Every Mestizo-saturated trailer park within two counties.

3. Every Dem and RINO office within two states.

4. Every mass media organ and its employees....period.

The docility of Middle Americans both amazes and appalls me. Apparently the Hard Rightists are correct: The USA still needs to fall much further before it bottoms, so "Elect Hillary so We Can Hit The Bottom." We still have too much to lose to do anything about those who seek our destruction.

There's a paradox for our times: we need to get a lot poorer, and our enemies have to win a lot more battles, before our fellowmen will be roused to take the field of battle.


Not a lot of options other than a bloody civil war and continent wide bloodbath that might result in a society that never recovers . I can't blame anyone for being hesitant to pull the trigger on that. 100 million dead from disease and hunger in the US alone is a mild estimate and sobering.

Also its not like anyone has an idea for something better . You can't have a revolution without something to well revolve too.

The Millennials and Generation Zed don't want "The Founder's Republic" since they know instinctively it won't work in the 21st century, they don't want Christendom 2.0 gunpoint edition since most aren't that religious they don't want Communism, even the Berners who are Social Democrats ala Europe and you can't get that with a revolution, there with a revolution

They don't want a Right Wing state since it means they get to be economically arbitraged even more and our Right are nearly all economic liberals, Trump and Buchanan and the .alt right aside

They are too diverse or sometimes cucked for an ethnostate yet and in truth I suspect the more patriotic ones are just attached to this toothless old bitch of a Republic to let her go.

If they can come up with something that works, they can have it but right now ideas are thin on the ground and the NrX promulgating them are just playing with words. Its all smoke and noise.

dc.sunsets wrote:Hilarious.

I graduated into the depths of the recession in 1982. You couldn't find a job at the point of a gun. People were doing the same thing then as now, with a massive increase in people going to grad school, etc., because no one was hiring.

Somehow I must have missed all the whining, all the woe's me, all the chanting of "BLM," "Che, Che, Che" and "Invade/Invite the World," and (thank God!) the virtue-signaling.


You had hope and a fairly homogeneous and free country. They don't

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 2:46 PM  

The Greatest Generation is overated, they laid the groundwork for the Baby Boomers. They were the ones who abandoned God, and inacted Big Govt Welfare or themselves. It was they who voted to open the floodgates to indescriminate immigration in 1965 and the Great Society, Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, etc.

The Greatest Generation...more like the worst generation.

WWI and WW2 really did drive us insane. And those God wishes to destroy, he first makes mad.

Anonymous Hieronymus Cowherd August 12, 2016 2:50 PM  

@156 I met someone the other day who wanted to visit Israel but had never heard of Hezbollah.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 12, 2016 2:53 PM  

@111 Erynne

Even nuclear families become distant because of college, I just wonder how widespread that is and if it's had any effect on the culture at large.
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All of that, not just because of college. I think about this sometimes. Used to be everybody would drop everything and get to our grandparents house. Even if we were all a state or two away. After the grandparents are gone, none of them do that any more. And everybody is scattered across the country.

There has to be some kind of detrimental societal effect to that. It makes it where the extended family is weakened. Not to mention these smaller towns that become ghost towns.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 12, 2016 2:55 PM  

@114 Undocumented Pharmacist

How many line-workers at Ford, GM and Chrysler went on the become C++ programmers when their jobs were lost to automation and other factors.
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Even if they did, it wouldn't matter, because H1Bs and see the dot, save a lot.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 12, 2016 2:56 PM  

@115 RobertT
Adversity builds character.
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I must be quite the character by now, then :P

Anonymous Newcomer August 12, 2016 2:56 PM  

@159

Thank you. I live in a rather smaller town quite near all of my siblings (all married). Even here they love their property taxes.

I often ponder about the (near-term) future of this state.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 2:57 PM  

Praetorian makes a good point.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 3:01 PM  

@161
You had hope and a fairly homogeneous and free country. They don't

True enough, to the latter, but not true at all in the former. At one point the future was a black void, papered over with bills I could not pay for a family I could not support...despite having a Bachelor's and a Master's degree in the sciences and capabilities I did not remotely realize at that time.

Despair is a word. It's also a territory bounded by high walls, and where no light reaches.

I take what's coming very, very seriously. My sons' prosperity could be gone in an eye blink, and they'd be left in a pit of despair just like anyone else. The admonition to pick yourself up after you've been knocked down is great. I have yet to hear it from someone who actually got knocked down over and over and over. Such people talk a good line...but I'm not buying it.

I told my wife that the main growth industry someday would be burying all the suicides. When my kids moved out, each left with a gun from my locker...and a father's sincere requirement that if they ever found themselves in a pit of despair, with no apparent way out and a desire to end their suffering, to CALL ME. All bad times do end, if you wait them out. The problem is, when you're in the midst of them, that advice is the definition of platitudinous.

Been there, done that, never wish to return and only desire to see my most hated enemies land there.

Here in 2016 the NIKKEI is around 16,000. In 1998 it topped at just under 40,000. The yen has been inflated into meaninglessness in the intervening years, and the result is a suicide rate that is simply astonishing (probably rivals that of US military members! Heaven, how our nation loves its soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines, huh?)

It's all well and good to have a rhetorical war between generations. What's not okay is that young adults are killing themselves, fast or slow...and the mistakes of 1964 through now are why.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 12, 2016 3:04 PM  

@167 I often ponder about the (near-term) future of this state.

Unless Chicago breaks off from the mainland and floats out into Lake Michigan, the future is certain. Illinois will be the first state to go Full Detroit. I suppose it's possible that sections of the state could revert to prairie, if Mike Madigan and his ilk remain in power long enough.

Anonymous Newcomer August 12, 2016 3:16 PM  

@170 "Unless Chicago breaks off from the mainland and floats out into Lake Michigan,"

Hey, a man can dream!


"...the future is certain."

I agree and think it's just a matter of the timing at this point. What to do? I don't want to move. I'll continue watching I suppose.

I did finally buy the gun I'd been eyeing for years.

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 3:46 PM  

"And we don't have any patience for the people who got us into this mess. Just remember that."

Oh for fucks sake.

What are you going to do? Meme at us really hard from your fucking mom's basement?

Generation of broken... useless little lazy shits that have no idea what work actually is. No gumption. No drive. and you fall apart completely at the first sign of the slightest hint of adversity.

And you're going to talk tough?

Shut the fuck up... or we'll make your dad tell you to mow the lawn in the summer time. With a push mower.

Which is likely more work than you've ever done in your whole pathetic little life.



Anonymous andon August 12, 2016 3:52 PM  

157. Blogger S1AL August 12, 2016 2:07 PM
"I don't have any patience for millennials."

And we don't have any patience for the people who got us into this mess. Just remember that.


the people you're complaining about built the country you're living in today. look around the world if you think you can do better

Blogger praetorian August 12, 2016 3:57 PM  

Dixout incoming...

MUH DIXIE, BIXFORD FORREST NOOD MUH FUGGA

Blogger Were-Puppy August 12, 2016 4:13 PM  

@156 LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra
At the gym was a commercial for more GMO obesogenic foods called unicorn cakes, unicorns...Snowflakes and unicorns.
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Check this out. They can't even get them to eat grapes so now they modify grapes to taste like candy...
http://www.theosgoodfile.com/2016/08/11/08-11-16-925-am-grapes-that-taste-like-cotton-candy/


If you can get through to any Millens, it's a good thing. Most of the ones I see have their face in the cell phone, no matter what else is happening.
Had a Millen nephew live with me for a couple years as he went to a nearby college. If you want to talk then fire up a game and you can talk all night while playing multi player. If you're not doing something interesting, they get bored super fast and wander off to the cell phone.

I don't think they have learned the fine art of being still and listening and observing the things around.

Blogger Forbes August 12, 2016 4:42 PM  

Talk about lack of self-awareness, the Daily Worst thinks it a news outlet. It's an opinion rag...

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2016 4:46 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@115 RobertT

Adversity builds character.

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I must be quite the character by now, then :P


Same. My body is already breaking down from wear and tear and I'm freaking 28 years old. Been working sixteen years and yet everybody thinks it's been a pampered life because...well that's the only reason anyone ever failed, right? (Projection.) Turns out stoop labor is terrible for you. Nevermind about my brain, that's been obvious since day 1 commenting here.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 12, 2016 4:48 PM  

CM wrote:While the economic morass and momma's boy syndrom are a bit concerning, they'll figure it out or our under 10s will be the future saviors of the world.

Lol, dude you need to try talking to Gen Z, they aren't even going to feel guilt when they eat dead bodies.

Blogger James Dixon August 12, 2016 4:53 PM  

> I don't think cash for clunkers affected the market much at all.

Maybe not where you live. It decimated the market in a number of areas.

Blogger S1AL August 12, 2016 5:05 PM  

"Generation of broken... useless little lazy shits that have no idea what work actually is. No gumption. No drive. and you fall apart completely at the first sign of the slightest hint of adversity.

And you're going to talk tough?

Shut the fuck up... or we'll make your dad tell you to mow the lawn in the summer time. With a push mower.

Which is likely more work than you've ever done in your whole pathetic little life."

Nate, I'm a married homeowner, a parent, and have an income well into the top 1% of my age bracket (data for overall breakdown is harder to read). I'm 26. Yes, I know I'm an exception. Hell, I'm a college dropout and handled that.

I've got more goals now than the average person will have in a lifetime. Yes, I know I'm an exception

That's not the point. It's not about me. My generation does not care. Setting aside blue state urban schmucks, we've woken up to the fact that we were lied to about college, lied to about world peace, lied to about our place in the world, and lied to about hope for the future. Yeah, some people respond by giving up and checking out of society. The rest of us, well, gratitude is going to be in short supply for the preceding generations.

Sure, the boomers screwed it up, but you've already admitted X'ers are nihilists. What do we have to thank you for?


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"the people you're complaining about built the country you're living in today. look around the world if you think you can do better"

It's hilarious that you said this unironically on a blog written by an expatriate and populated by a large number of neoconfederates.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 12, 2016 5:20 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> I don't think cash for clunkers affected the market much at all.

Maybe not where you live.
Pretty much only for big clunkers.  To qualify you had to buy a vehicle with substantially better fuel economy, and there just isn't much that beats at Geo Metro or even a Festiva.

C4C was in 2009 and nobody was going to trade a late-model vehicle in on it, so 7 years later that queue has had plenty of time to fill up again.

Anonymous Puzzled August 12, 2016 5:34 PM  

Is Nate that stay-at-home momblogger?

Blogger praetorian August 12, 2016 5:37 PM  

That's not the point. It's not about me.

A measured, logical response to a class three dixout...

This is the sort of thing that makes me optimistic about the kids.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2016 5:39 PM  

andon wrote:the people you're complaining about built the country you're living in today. look around the world if you think you can do better

ummm, not to be a grammar Nazi, but you misspelled "looted, raped and sold into prostitution" there

Anonymous BGKB August 12, 2016 6:32 PM  

Aeoli Pera Same. My body is already breaking down from wear and tear and I'm freaking 28 years old.

I thought you said you were going bald, was that to throw MILO off your ginger scent?

Anonymous Toby August 12, 2016 6:59 PM  

I'm just curious when this "basement dweller" became a general insult for Millenials.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 12, 2016 7:16 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:@111 Erynne

Even nuclear families become distant because of college, I just wonder how widespread that is and if it's had any effect on the culture at large.

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All of that, not just because of college. I think about this sometimes. Used to be everybody would drop everything and get to our grandparents house. Even if we were all a state or two away. After the grandparents are gone, none of them do that any more. And everybody is scattered across the country.

There has to be some kind of detrimental societal effect to that. It makes it where the extended family is weakened. Not to mention these smaller towns that become ghost towns.


The elimination of the extended family was a long term project that originated from the nobles and to a lesser degree the Church in Western and Northern Europe.

This was done for political reasons, large kin groups are a threat to the social order favored by the elite. These days its also economics, atomized people are easier to control and consume a lot more

What they failed to count on is that people who are atomized mostly don't have children since not only are they more economically vulnerable, the basic rule of modernity is children are driven by the culture.

If people around you have many children, c.f the baby boom than most people will have many children. If they don't they won't

Combine this with the collapse of actual Christianity as well as a shot economy and you have the recipe for the ongoing disaster.

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 12, 2016 7:48 PM  

This country has been (((ruined))), (((looted)))) and (((destroyed))).

Maybe the millennials will start reading Mein Kampf.

Anything would be an improvement. Except Ayn Rand. Stay as far from her as you possibly can.

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 8:25 PM  

"Sure, the boomers screwed it up, but you've already admitted X'ers are nihilists. What do we have to thank you for?"

We don't want your thanks. We don't care. We just are sick of listening to your bullshit whining.

Do something.

Because to brutally honest all your generation is doing... is boring the hell out of us.

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 8:30 PM  

"Is Nate that stay-at-home momblogger?"

You're thinking of Mike Cernovich. He's the one who got a seven figure settlement when his wife dumped him.



Anonymous RS August 12, 2016 8:48 PM  

Nate, when did you turn into such a little bitch?

Blogger S1AL August 12, 2016 9:26 PM  

"Because to brutally honest all your generation is doing... is boring the hell out of us."

Oh. No. Not that. How will we ever live up to the impossible and thoroughly arbitrary standards of a generation whose greatest achievement is not being boomers. All while exciting you in the process.

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 9:43 PM  

"Nate, when did you turn into such a little bitch?"

oh dear... RS... does this mean you're not my friend?

You know.. RS... If I did not think you were my friend... I just don't think I could bear it.

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 9:45 PM  

"How will we ever live up to the impossible and thoroughly arbitrary standards of a generation whose greatest achievement is not being boomers. "

well... your generation could start by doing what you did.

But of course they won't.

Because they are to busy waiting for Bernie to save them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 12, 2016 9:55 PM  

We don't want your thanks. We don't care. We just are sick of listening to your bullshit whining.
Do something.
Because to brutally honest all your generation is doing... is boring the hell out of us.



Funny, I've heard Boomers say the same thing about GenX

Anonymous JAG August 12, 2016 9:55 PM  

S1AL wrote:"Because to brutally honest all your generation is doing... is boring the hell out of us."

Oh. No. Not that. How will we ever live up to the impossible and thoroughly arbitrary standards of a generation whose greatest achievement is not being boomers. All while exciting you in the process.


You gotta admit it though, not being boomers is a big check in the plus column for Gen X.

We are the last generation who will remember what it was like to be free unless change comes about one way or another. You will need us to organize you because we are too old for war, but you are far too ignorant to be able to run things properly. You don't know what it is that needs to be restored. We do. A lot of you are truly useless eaters and useful idiots. Most of those are irredeemable, and will need to die off in the next great hardship. The rest of you will be where the future lays.

Blogger Nate August 12, 2016 9:58 PM  

"You gotta admit it though, not being boomers is a big check in the plus column for Gen X."

Not being boomers is all we ever expected out of our generation.

Saving the world seemed.. and seems.. god damn insane to us.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 12, 2016 10:20 PM  

The Greatest Generation was shit. They are the ones that thought the New Deal was great so gave us the Great Society after the expansive government welfare in the 50s.

The Boomers were the victims of the Greatest Generation. The Millenials are just the echo of the Boomers.

Blogger S1AL August 12, 2016 10:29 PM  

"well... your generation could start by doing what you did.

But of course they won't.

Because they are to busy waiting for Bernie to save them."

I'm not arguing that a good portion of my generation, probably the majority, isn't pants-on-head retarded with regards to reality. They are. But that's also irrelevant because even the good and decent ones are getting reamed by what they've been handed. Having kids is expensive and time-consuming. That's nothing new, but the situation is. There's no job reliability, and way too many oh us are paying college debts we were told for decades wouldn't be an issue. It's an issue.

Not to mention the social dysfunction caused parents who encouraged the "college experience" (or its non-academic equivalent).

So yeah, millennials want a way out, and we know some of it is on us... But not all of it. Lots of broken, unprepared people in a bad situation only partially of their own making, plus the recipe for raging ethnic conflict that half want to avert and the other half quietly just want to get on with. We'll be lucky if Vox's timeline and predictions are all we get.

But half the commenters here are like the priest and the Pharisee, except with derisive laughter and mockery. So you don't care? Great, move along. Or get over it and help.

Blogger Tom K. August 12, 2016 10:30 PM  

Or at least they can entertain the possibility!

What Queer ever needs Game to get his rod sucked? Just close your eyes and think of England.

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