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Sunday, August 21, 2016

Post-Hugo analysis

First, thanks to all the Rabid Puppies who got involved, at both the nomination and the voting stages. Things went very much according to form, and we have the SF-SJWs exactly where we want them at this point in time. Observe that after only two years, we already have them voting almost entirely in reaction to us, changing and complicating their rules, and awarding SJWs instead of merit in most categories.

Second, a few observations:
  • We were only able to burn two categories this year, but we reduced their choices to X or No Award in 5 other categories.
  • We got them to show the public their true colors and demonstrate that what the Hugo Award primarily means is public adherence to the SJW Narrative. Among the finalists no awarded this year: Jerry Pournelle, Larry Elmore, Toni Weisskopf, Moira Greyland, David Vandyke, Pierce Brown, and RazörFist. In most cases, the awards were given to people whose work is of observably lower quality. For example, the bestselling Pierce Brown, whose novel was not even nominated, wrote what was almost certainly, by any reasonable standard, the best science fiction novel published this year. Tough crowd, if even he's not worthy of mere consideration for Best New Author.
  • They did have the sense to avoid no-awarding Jim Butcher for a second straight year, though. Apparently Mr. Butcher's writing has improved a lot since last year.
  • They no-awarded a serious literary work about Gene Wolfe. Remember, these are the same people that have repeatedly claimed a blog post was "the Best Related Work" in science fiction that year. The contrast is informative.
  • The four fiction categories are increasingly becoming No White Male territory. The winners were: black woman, black woman, Asian woman, white woman, none of whom are bestselling or even very well-known authors. This is reliably indicative of increasing irrelevance. It won't be long before simply being a minority won't be enough and authors will have to be gay, blind, and crippled just to be nominated.
  • Contra all their unconvincing pretenses of delight, the nomination of "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" embarrassed them greatly. Chuck Tingle's masterpiece was no-awarded, exactly as I predicted.
  • We played kingmaker in Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form, where The Martian beat Fury Road, and in the John W. Campbell Award, where Andy Weir beat Alyssa Wong, thanks to our votes. And, of course, in Best Novel, where Jemisin's win was primarily a vote against us.
  • Neil Gaiman's acceptance was, characteristically, as classy as the man's himself. "It meant a lot to see Sandman Overture nominated for a Hugo award, and was disappointing to see that it had been dragged into the unfortunate mess that the pitiable people who call themselves Puppy had attempted to inflict on Worldcon and its awards. I would have withdrawn it from consideration, but even that seemed like it would have been giving these sad losers too much acknowledgement. I am proud it won, and prouder by far of the amazing work that JH Williams, Dave Stewart, Todd Klein, Dave McKean and Shelly Bond did. Thank you."
  • It's interesting to note that SJWs aren't celebrating the fact that more of the awards went to women this year than ever before, including all of the fiction categories.
All in all, despite the twin disappointments of Jerry Pournelle and Chuck Tingle not winning their categories, 2016 was a very good year; arguably better, from the strategic perspective, than last year's results. The Guardian's coverage of the awards is a pretty good summary for the SJW perspective. They still have no idea what's going on:
The winners of the 2016 Hugo awards have been announced, with this year’s choices signalling a resounding defeat for the so-called “Puppies” campaigns to derail the venerable annual honouring of science fiction literature and drama. As in previous years, there had been attempts by two separate groups, the Sad Puppies and the Rabid Puppies, to “game” the awards in favour of their preferred slates of works. Both groups claimed that science fiction has become dominated by a liberal, left-wing bias.
It's complete with a picture of the award-winning half-savage herself. It's quite clear most of these people cheering her Best Novel award have never read even a little of The Fifth Season, which makes George Martin's masterpiece of rape, death, and grimdark look cheerful and features a protagonist less likeable than Rand al'Thor and Ramsay Bolton combined.

As one reviewer of the 2016 Best Novel put it: "the main character became more and more unlikable as the tale goes on. She ends up in a gay/poly triad, has a child with the gay member of the group, and then essentially decides she's not cut out to be a mother and goes on and on about how she doesn't really care about the toddler, ditching him. All of this after a main hook where she's supposed to be frantically searching for yet another child who she seems for forget for years at a time."

That pretty well sums it up. Redshirts and Among Others were mediocrities, but The Fifth Season is a depth no Best Novel has seen since The Quantum Rose won the Nebula in 2000. The Impossibility of SJW Convergence is increasingly working in our favor. It won't be long it won't even need our paws on the scale to help the process along.

The Guardian claims 2016 was "a resounding defeat" for the Rabid Puppies, but then, they are an SJW institution and we know what SJWs always do. Consider a relatively neutral party's verdict, as declared back in April, by the Reverend 3.0.

If any other Castalia House work wins Best Related Work or second places to No Award, then the Rabid Puppies have obtained limited victory over the Hugos

Best Related Work
1. No Award
2. Between Light and Shadow: An Exploration of the Fiction of Gene Wolfe, 1951 to 1986, Marc Aramini, Castalia House

"A limited victory". That is a fair description.

We had over 200 people at the Rabid Puppy Hugo Party last night, which featured Dragon Award finalists John C. Wright, Nick Cole, and Brian Niemeier, as well as Hugo Award finalist Jeffro Johnson, and I think it's fair to say that a good time was had by most, if not all. One attendee even wrote to express his enjoyment of it.
Thank you for hosting The 2016 Hugo Awards this evening, which doubled as a most excellent and informative SFF convention panel. No one signaled virtue, no one posed, all was honest and free. I've never had the pleasure of witnessing a panel of guests quite like these before.

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103 Comments:

Blogger S. Thermite August 21, 2016 5:37 AM  

Was anyone else reminded of the movies "Surrogates" and "Gamer" when the only reasonably-attractive albeit Asian) woman to go on stage went up to accept the Best Novel award on behalf of N.K. Jemisin? Also noticeable was how the post-menopausal white shoggoth announcing most of the awards was periodically (symbolically?) cooled-off by someone using a folding fan.

Anonymous Steve August 21, 2016 5:49 AM  

Vox, this year you had me at SPACE RAPTOR BUTT INVASION. It tingled my imagination in a way that few dinoerotic homosaurus science fiction adventures ever have.

What a hook!

Blogger SteelPalm August 21, 2016 5:52 AM  

Very entertaining webinar, Vox.

Simply talking about science fiction, it's amazing how much of the genre John C Wright has read, and his meticulous, detailed recollection of specific events within them.

Also enjoyed Nick Cole's anecdotes about working for the much-vaunted HarperCollins and how the reality contrasts with the vision most of us had.

And shout-outs for saving my time by informing me that "Jessica Jones" is indeed SJW trash.

And yes, in an amusing turn, the psychotic and unstable half-savage herself won the main prize.

Worst Best Novel Hugo ever?

Blogger JC August 21, 2016 5:58 AM  

I'm only disappointed Chuck Tingle didn't win, the rest is drearily predictable. SJWs always lie of course but I can't understand the crowing when three of your recommendations won. Going over them again, you were also uncharacteristically kind enough not to recommend no-award in multiple categories.

If they're happy that mediocrity swept everywhere the puppies didn't bark then they're more pathetic than even I thought.

Blogger S. Thermite August 21, 2016 5:58 AM  

This is a no-brainer, but how great would it be to hear a presenter be forced to announce Mr. Tingle's "Slammed In The Butt By My Hugo Award Nomination" as a nomination next year?

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 21, 2016 6:00 AM  

I literally laughed when I heard best novel went to the self admitted Token. I mean sure she's no John Scalzi but...

And the funny thing is that give her recent statements about being just a Token, I am willing to bet that;

(A) she knew in advance she was winning and

(B prime) she knew it had nothing to do with the quality of her work.

Which leads to (C) it's eating her up inside. I can almost but not quite feel sorry for her. She knows she'll never be certain how good or bad she really is. She will walk on quicksand all of her life as a writer.

The only other real take away that I can come up with is that the SJWs showed more discipline in voting on the down ballot than they did last year. That was to be expected, the hivemind hadn't really bestirred itself in that quarter before.

Anonymous Steve August 21, 2016 6:09 AM  

Worst Best Novel Hugo ever?

Sounds like it finally confirms that "HUGO AWARD WINNING NOVEL" is now a sort of inverse seal of quality, much like medieval people daubed a black cross on houses occupied by plague victims.

To be fair, I haven't read it, but neither have most of the folks who voted for it. Jemisin herself recently complained that, while she gets showered with affirmative action attagirls, markets are raciss.

There just isn't a sizeable body of readers willing to pay money to read depressing victim porn skiffy. Obviously because raciss, but also because Jemisin's stories sound about as fun as riding a bicycle uphill without a seat.

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 21, 2016 6:11 AM  

The winners were: black woman, black woman, Asian woman, white woman, none of whom are bestselling or even very well-known authors.

The most damning part is they will probably never be bestselling or even very well-known. A Hugo award used to be an indication there was some kind of quality to the book. You might not like it (everyone has different tastes), but you could be pretty comfortable that it wasn't just trash. That's not true any more, and people know it's not true any more.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 21, 2016 6:11 AM  

Looking over the Hugo Awards page I see that best editor long form has Vox Day in the second place.

http://www.thehugoawards.org/hugo-history/2016-hugo-awards/

Does this list reflect the actual ballots cast?

Blogger residentMoron August 21, 2016 6:15 AM  

"Well I find the very idea of an intelligent leftist offensive!"

Sorry, Bob.

Blogger Phillip George August 21, 2016 6:17 AM  

And the Pyrrhic Award goes to, envelope please ....

the publishing house or the legacy media - which goes bust first? [the train is fine.]

Blogger residentMoron August 21, 2016 6:22 AM  

I do have a question that an intelligent person might be able to answer, though:

If this was a "resounding defeat" for all things Puppy, then why the need for E Pluribus Hugo?

Something is rotten in the state of skiffy ...

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 21, 2016 6:26 AM  

What use is a child that doesn't come with a welfare check?

Blogger VD August 21, 2016 6:27 AM  

Does this list reflect the actual ballots cast?

No, it's another 6 of 5 for me. Jim Minz of Baen Books beat me for 5th place, 866 to 295.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 21, 2016 6:33 AM  

@14

Got it.

My faith is restored.

Blogger The CronoLink August 21, 2016 6:34 AM  

I would have preferred more fire and brimstone; in time, I am sure. Great job, puppies!

Blogger VD August 21, 2016 6:43 AM  

I would have preferred more fire and brimstone; in time, I am sure.

Success in the art of conflict requires understanding the difference between what is desirable and what is possible. And no plan is ever executed perfectly; I did not anticipate two of our successful nomination candidates withdrawing; had they not, we would have had at least one more No Award category and an RP choice would have won Novella.

Blogger Salt August 21, 2016 6:53 AM  

So many winners not present too. Glyer has a pass on that one.

Blogger Cynic In Chief August 21, 2016 6:55 AM  

So when do we get to burn in down? I'm interested to see what the Dark Lord has in store next year, with EPH.

Anonymous Ain August 21, 2016 7:04 AM  

"So many winners not present too."

Another sign that its prestige has tanked.

Blogger The CronoLink August 21, 2016 7:20 AM  

Success in the art of conflict requires understanding the difference between what is desirable and what is possible.

Absolutely. Also, not have been taught about playing the long game, but understanding, and seeing, its merits, it has been another painful lesson to be learned for someone like me that still struggles against instant gratification. But every step has been worthwhile. I envy those who bear the Spiritual Fruit of Patience.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 21, 2016 7:51 AM  

Next year they will be tired. The year after I expect they will surrender without a fight.

Blogger SteelPalm August 21, 2016 7:53 AM  

Okay, just forced myself to read one of the Hugo winners, "Cat Pictures Please".

I'm not exaggerating when I note that this is FAR worse than "If You were a Dinosaur" (which was merely nominated, but didn't win) or "The Lady Astronaut of Mars".

MUCH worse. Like, if you gave everyone in these comments two hours to come up with a science fiction story, half of us would come up with something better.

Outside of blatant spelling errors (there were PLENTY of grammar and syntax mistakes) I can scarcely see how it could be worse.

Anonymous Be Not Afraid August 21, 2016 7:58 AM  

Vox, thanks for the very enjoyable webcast. I was, admittedly, crushed when the voters denied the reality of love and did not give SRBI its deserved award. But the sheer mediocrity of so many of the winners is there for all to see. The awards went full SJW, which is nice proof of the claim (scoffed at by the Guardian) that the awards have an SJW bias. Truly, No Awarding "Best Related Work" was appalling. SF/F is doing an excellent job of ignoring the sexual predators among them.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 21, 2016 8:04 AM  

When will the cat ladies of fiction get their large advances from Tor?

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 21, 2016 8:22 AM  

Missed the online shindig, but glad a good time was had.

Did Pournelle get no awarded or did he eke out above no award? Either way - a shame.

I'd like to see the stats on related work. Is hope that no award won out simply by plurality rather than by the percentages other Castalia works were shot sown (Gene Wolfe not worthy?)The thought of dealing with someone who no awarded Moiras story, or The Safe Space series, rather than at least give them a vote and acknowledge them, bothers me.

Blogger Phillip George August 21, 2016 8:28 AM  

(scoffed at by the Guardian)

I think something like that would make a grave type marker for the buildings they once occupied. The Melbourne Age, very similar to the guardian, is losing money in buckets. It almost certainly will go out of print in the next twelve months. And, I am delighted at the idea of their collective upcoming unemployment.

Progressivism to the grave. They are going down with the ship. Moral superiority complexes will take them deeper than the Marianas trench. Transgender, divorce courts, feminism, open borders, gay bliss, global warming, free markets, relativism, islamophobiaphobia, anti christian bigotry of the highest order, they did it all. And are stone broke.

Blogger JACIII August 21, 2016 8:28 AM  

It is good that in there minds they won. They could have accepted the new normal where normal people get to influence the outcomes and simply carried on. Rather they have chosen the path which allows them to spin themselves into an SJW euphoria the crash from which a Zoloft Metamucil Prozac cocktail cannot alleviate. Expect the Dead SJW list to be much longer next year.

Blogger VD August 21, 2016 8:35 AM  

Jerry Pournelle finished in 6th of 5, behind No Award 951 to 766. Apparently we are not only supposed to believe that Ellen Datlow, Neil Clarke, John Joseph Adams, and Sheila Williams are all better short-form editors than the man who created THERE WILL BE WAR, but that he is not even worthy of consideration for such a prestigious award.

Best Related Work votes

1872 No Award
412 Between Light and Shadow: An Exploration of the Fiction of Gene Wolfe
86 Story of Moira Greyland
77 Appendix N Book
68 SJWs Always Lie
30 Safe Space as Rape Room

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 21, 2016 8:43 AM  

@VD

Thank you

Blogger Chrom August 21, 2016 8:43 AM  

According to an article I read in The Mumbai Times, when informed she had won the award, Jemisin first inquired as to "why they ain't no black rockets," then commanded an unspecified someone to "paint the bitch black then," before finally speculating "prolly made in raciss Australia, that would assplain it."

Blogger Phillip George August 21, 2016 8:48 AM  

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/aug/10/fairfax-media-records-8935m-loss-due-to-newspaper-writedowns

this might amuse you. 162 year old legacy media is going down. Social Justice to the core. Guardian blood brothers. Soros talking points. 100 percent Hillary supporters.

the only thing keeping them afloat is advertising in realestate. People still want to come to Australia because it was everything the Guardian has tried to change.

You cannot make this stuff up.

Anonymous Moira Greyland August 21, 2016 8:58 AM  

I didn't see Chuck Tingle's work on the final breakdown AT ALL!! What happened? I was certain that he was going to win, or at least place!

I am proud, proud, I tell you, to have lost to such an unusual author as the noted Noah Ward, and actually, even more pleased to have lost to the excellent "Between Light and Shadows." I lost to another Puppy! :D

Blogger Harsh August 21, 2016 9:01 AM  

I'm sure Jemisin will be quite happy with her Hugo and the 5,000 copies her book sells...

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 21, 2016 9:05 AM  

VD wrote:Jerry Pournelle finished in 6th of 5, behind No Award

6 of 5 is rabidly becoming the most prestigious of the Hugo Awards.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 21, 2016 9:16 AM  

I notice Tor.com has shut down the comments section on their announcement of the Hugo Winners. Who do they thing they are? NPR?

Blogger LurkingPuppy August 21, 2016 9:17 AM  

Spartacus xxxxx wrote:6 of 5 is rabidly becoming the most prestigious of the Hugo Awards.
We are Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

Anonymous 6184 August 21, 2016 9:20 AM  

Could not make the party. Glad it went well.

Anonymous Electryon August 21, 2016 9:20 AM  

Comment about Gaiman is meant to be sarcastic, right? I don't follow this blog so much that I would know how locals feel about him.

Blogger Dave August 21, 2016 9:23 AM  

Last night's RP Hugo Party webinar was very entertaining. First time I'd heard Nick Cole; his mention of the 500 year-old book that even JCW wasn't familiar with was surprising and intriguing. CH will be very busy indeed with two authors as prolific as Nick Cole and JCW.

Jeffro and Matt's feigned dissembling when Vox repeatedly tried to pin them down on the schedule for Jeffro's book was hilarious.

To me the most exciting news of the night was hearing what we can expect in the future with authors such as Brian, Nick, and JCW working with Castalia House.


Also a reminder: voting for the Dragon Awards ends Sept 1 so get those votes in for Brian, Nick & JCW.

Blogger Orville August 21, 2016 9:24 AM  

They did have the sense to avoid no-awarding Jim Butcher for a second straight year, though.

I don't know where he stands on the SJW spectrum, but they probably didn't want to diss him in a CON held in his own home town.

It wouldn't be unusual to throw a mention towards an ancient of the craft like Pournelle since he might not ever get to another CON, but they didn't because Jerry went over to the dark side.

Blogger Bard August 21, 2016 9:33 AM  

Vox, serious question.
Do you believe they are conscious of the disruption you have created or does the narrative blind them?
Doritos are a fine way to hide your cognitive dissonance.

Anonymous Mister M August 21, 2016 9:34 AM  

I'm curious about Gaiman as well. As an old comic book reader (from the good old days, new stuff is crap), it would be unfortunate to learn that Gaiman is a SJW.

Blogger VD August 21, 2016 9:46 AM  

Do you believe they are conscious of the disruption you have created or does the narrative blind them?

They are conscious of it, but they don't understand its significance. They are so busy trying to spin each little engagement as the Ultimate Victory for themselves and a Resounding Defeat for me that they have no idea how the ground is shifting beneath their feet.

I mean, look at how they are trying to claim that failing to single-handedly dictate the whole of the Hugo Awards and only determining 69 of the 81 nominations is a "resounding defeat" for me. What would victory look like?

Comment about Gaiman is meant to be sarcastic, right?

Yes. Gaiman is a confirmed SJW, he's just less visibly obnoxious. Every now and then, it shines through, though.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 21, 2016 9:58 AM  

VD wrote:look at how they are trying to claim that failing to single-handedly dictate the whole of the Hugo Awards and only determining 69 of the 81 nominations is a "resounding defeat" for me. What would victory look like?


Determining 169 of the 81 nominations, all of which go on to win 6 of 5.

Anonymous Bz August 21, 2016 10:39 AM  

In summary, the Hugo awards once again grew more ridiculous, and petty new fools pranced across the stage to play their bit parts. Thank you for your work, everyone. Let's make them yet better again next year.

Blogger Daniel August 21, 2016 10:43 AM  

Safe Space as Rape Room finished second to SJWs Always Lie in Best related in the 6 of 5 championship. The taste of defeat is bitter, but I can think of no more worthy a foe than Vox.

Congratulations.

Blogger VD August 21, 2016 10:47 AM  

Safe Space as Rape Room finished second to SJWs Always Lie in Best related in the 6 of 5 championship. The taste of defeat is bitter, but I can think of no more worthy a foe than Vox.

Even the most explosive of exposures can only pale in comparison with the purity of their hate. I commend your effort.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 21, 2016 10:49 AM  

VD wrote:Yes. Gaiman is a confirmed SJW,

And a confirmed cuck, he's in an "open marriage".

Blogger The Other Robot August 21, 2016 11:00 AM  

And we have at least one genuine new work of Science Fiction to nominate (which some say is in the mold of Heinlein), and maybe more.

Anonymous BGKB August 21, 2016 11:01 AM  

She ends up in a gay/poly triad, has a child with the gay member of the group,

How does that work again? Oh yea like when David French forgot to use mouthwash between kissing MILO and licking his wife.

And the funny thing is that give her recent statements about being just a Token, I am willing to bet that;(A) she knew in advance she was winning and

The 1/2 savage asked "Does this HUGO award make my ass look fat"

"Cat Pictures Please"...I can scarcely see how it could be worse.

You can't say the title didn't warn you.

Blogger Daniel August 21, 2016 11:05 AM  

Even the most explosive of exposures can only pale in comparison with the purity of their hate. I commend your effort.

That is some consolation. Still, I had to read Hogg and Greek Love. Taking such dirty steroids is hardly worth it in victory, and now, in defeat, my regrets are Legion.

Blogger Bard August 21, 2016 11:13 AM  

Victory WILL look like authors groveling to be published by Castalia House while bowing and kissing the spiked gauntlet.

Blogger Bard August 21, 2016 11:14 AM  

Only to dashed upon the head of course.

Blogger Bard August 21, 2016 11:14 AM  

Only to dashed upon the head of course.

Blogger Jack Ward August 21, 2016 11:23 AM  

I refuse to believe that anything Jemison wrote could be a better novel than Seveneves.
The Hugos are nearly DOA. If by some miracle I were to write something that got on one of their ballots and won I would refuse the award on general principal.
@40 Dave:
Yes: I'm rapidly getting to the point I can say, with considerable satisfaction, I have read everything Nick Cole has written. Along with JCW he is a must buy sight unseen.
And, it was most interesting to hear the panelists on the webinar. Especially Mr. Wright and Mr. Cole. Both are naturals as speakers with proven credibility writing and speaking.
Well done!
Jethro and Matt: come on guys, you can do it.

Blogger The Other Robot August 21, 2016 11:49 AM  

With rape denial being much on the minds of Hugo voters, Sweden decides to clarify it's position of rapiest country in the world.

Anonymous JudgeDeadd August 21, 2016 12:12 PM  

What really bothers me is that disse86 came in dead last in the Fan Artist category. The guy is really good! (Incidentally, disse86's real name is Dennis Carlsson. It took me a few minutes of Google research to find that out. Apparently the Hugo committee were too lazy to put in the effort.)

Also, "My Little Pony" finishing with the worst result possible? Below "No Award", in fact, the equivalent of saying "this is worthless"? Somehow I don't think it'll endear too many bronies to the SJW crowd.

OpenID jeffro August 21, 2016 12:31 PM  

Editing the Castalia House blog takes up the lionshare of my efforts at the moment. It's been said that the vindication of my work is taking place in the pages of Cirsova. The discussion surrounding pulp sff has really taken off in the past few weeks. How to segue to that on THAT particular panel when people really only want to know the book release date...? Eh... not happening.

The point we danced around in the discussion last night that I really would have liked to weigh in on is that the elevation of Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein to the status of "the big three" is basically a repudiation of Edgar Rice Burroughs. Post-Christian sff is also post-romance. If you look at what actually fired the imaginations of sff game designers in the seventies, I think you can really see how irrelevant the "serious" and "respectable" sff really was.

A case in point for that would be in Traveller, which also came up last night. Who defined the future for Marc Miller? It wasn't Asimov's Foundation. It wasn't Herbert's Dune. It was H. Beam Piper, E. C. Tubb, Poul Anderson, and Jerry Pournelle. Tubb wrote in the tradition of Burroughs and Brackett and provided the independent worlds, the blades, the passage types, and the drugs. Meanwhile, Anderson and Pournelle laid the groundwork for Miller's 3rd Imperium. Christianity was a first class element of its literary antecedent.

That was at the height of the New Wave.

Bringing this back around to the Puppies in general and to Castalia House in particular: the only person I've read that really has the same kind of punch as Edgar Rice Burroughs would be Larry Corriea. The only person I've read that is really doing anything remotely like Lord Dunsany is John C. Wright. Indeed, Wright writes as if the pulp era never stopped.

I see a lot of "Puppy" rhetoric that acts as if turning back the clock to Heinlein, Clarke, and Asimov is what we ought to be shooting for. But that's not what's actually going on here. Successful authors are actually regressing much harder than that!

The sort of people that would have endorsed this "Big Three" framework? That would be Joanna Russ.

Blogger Dean Esmay August 21, 2016 12:55 PM  

Science Fiction no longer seems to be about exploring ideas so much as asserting them.

Say what you will about Harlan Ellison--it'll probably be mostly true, good or bad--he was right to call it Speculative Fiction. Time to bring that spirit back.

Blogger JWM August 21, 2016 1:11 PM  

I did a quick google, and read a few of the Hugo award reviews. There's a lot SJW crowing about the defeat of the badthinkers. One of the very heavy handed reviews was on some site called "The Verge" (first entry on the google). I won't link because it's one of those sites that hijacks the back arrow so you can't get out once you click. Nonetheless it's worth it to see the nauseating cover pic, and Soviet quality propagandizing. And I read the 'Catpic' story. Holy fucking cow. I mean- it was embarrassingly bad- worse than the Dinosaur Lovey tale from last year. If dreck like that is being awarded why even bother with the Hugo?

JWM

Anonymous Nathan August 21, 2016 1:39 PM  

Just saw Hello Greedo's acceptance speech for the Fancast category on his Twitter feed. (Yes, I know this was a No Award category. Posting the video he prerecorded for his acceptance speech was his act of protest.) Worldcon doesn't realize that what they did to the Fancast category will have consequences. Sure, none of the nominees are likely to start an anti-Hugo campaign, but to audiences far larger than Worldcon and the readership of many of the writers in attendance, the Hugos are not for fans, only cliquish insiders.

Blogger psychegram August 21, 2016 1:43 PM  

I haven't read the Fifth Season (lack of interest in preachy gender theorist bs) but many of the reviews I read emphasized that the storytelling left a lot to be desired: unlikeable characters doing not a lot of anything, presented in a gimmicky 2nd person narration. Meanwhile I finished Seveneves in no time at all. You'd think the fact that the main heroes of the story were mostly female would have been enough to endear it to SJW readers, but I guess Stephenson being a white male was sufficient to condemn it in their eyes. Absolutely disgusting.

Anonymous IncoherentM August 21, 2016 1:54 PM  

The Hugo Party was great. Listening to a group of authors whose works you enjoy and values you share was a real pleasure. Thanks to all involved.

Blogger The Other Robot August 21, 2016 1:55 PM  

@JWM: So, The Verge does not get to hijack the back button on Brave.

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 21, 2016 2:00 PM  

The pitch for Seveneves sounds like perfect SJW / feminist fodder. The story itself undercuts most of that. Either blatantly: our favorite cannibal or the borderline president - or less so: epicene tics, how genetics affect IQ, personality traits, etc.

Oh yeah, and heroic guys were a GOOD thing that one of the Eve's explicitly made sure stayed around.

Having MRK read it was masterful trolling, given the subsurface undercut the surface she agrees with.

Blogger Amaryllis August 21, 2016 2:01 PM  

The fact that The Fifth Season even won over Uprooted (written by someone on the same ideological side, and CLEARLY better in pretty much every way that counts) is insane to me. To be honest, I thought Uprooted was the shoo-in for the award -- and it was treated like it even by the SJW media (it has also won basically everything else it has been nominated for, running against the same crop of books) -- and that Vox's voting for it was just going to be a rhetorical 'we helped it win!' thing later on. But that was ACTUALLY enough for them to cut it off like it was a tumor, so you obviously still possess the power to drive increasingly more stupid books to Hugo 'wins,' even without the modest conservative media coverage we had last year.

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 21, 2016 2:03 PM  

The verge is someplace I keep in my RSS feed only to see what the SJW crowd is thinking. Reading the full stupid is avoided as it makes my eyeballs bleed. The handful of times I link it's via archive.is or similar.

Blogger Bear Brubaker August 21, 2016 2:06 PM  

Looking over a few lists of the "Best" Sci Fi books of 2015, it doesn't look like there was a ton to pick from. Most of what I had in my mind for the best books was stuff published in 2016 or 2014.

Blogger Nate August 21, 2016 2:11 PM  

They got all dressed up at came to their Super important Totally Seriously Serious Award ceremony....

and had to watch My Little Pony clips.


We won.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 21, 2016 2:11 PM  

I stopped in for the Puppy Party last night, but I kicked out to just have the Hugo feed going in my backround as I live tweeted the Hugos.

I triggered somebody on File 770 so I guess my messages were getting out there effectively.

https://twitter.com/EscapeVelo/status/767277574426882049

Anonymous Frankenstein McBadperson August 21, 2016 2:12 PM  

You guys call yourselves writers, and you're worried about AWARDS?!?

Samuel Beckett would spit on you so much, you'd drown.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 21, 2016 2:13 PM  

Congrats to all the Sad and Rabid Puppies, this year.

I helped more this year than last. And will do so again next year.

Anonymous Nathan August 21, 2016 2:16 PM  

@67,

From a rabbit's standpoint, the only possible vote was for Jemisin, given her history with Vox. In that mindset, the success of the women who led to his getting kicked out of the SFWA would cause him shame and gnashing of teeth.

Blogger Brian Niemeier August 21, 2016 3:11 PM  

@Vox: We should start a club for Hugo nominees who've finished 6th behind No Award. I'm picturing a swanky private clubhouse and smoking jackets with 6/5 embroidered above the breast pockets in thread of gold.

@Dave: Bless you, sir.

Anonymous kfg August 21, 2016 3:18 PM  

@72:

Beckett made de Gaulle come to his apartment to give him the Croix de Guerre, but he didn't turn it down. He earned it.

This isn't about writting, this is about all the goose stepping in the street outside making it hard to write.

This is war.

Blogger David August 21, 2016 3:24 PM  

no. 7 - Steve nails it. Jeminsin's work is just dreck. I won't pay money to read it, but I could be talked into reading it if I were paid for the work.........

Blogger tweell August 21, 2016 3:56 PM  

This has been excellent value for money. I am entertained!

Blogger Jack Aubrey August 21, 2016 4:20 PM  

We made them No Award Jerry Pournelle, and give the best novel award to a piece of dreck. Head shot!

I'm already signed up for Helsinki. Can't wait.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 21, 2016 4:26 PM  

Who won GRR Martin's Alfie Awards last night?

Alyssa Wong for Hungry Daughters of Starving Mothers
Tea & Jeopardy for Best Fancast

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 21, 2016 5:37 PM  

I'm still pondering the long term impact of burying "Safe Space as Rape Room" and Moira Greyland's story.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 21, 2016 5:58 PM  

SteelPalm wrote:Okay, just forced myself to read one of the Hugo winners, "Cat Pictures Please".

I'm not exaggerating when I note that this is FAR worse than "If You were a Dinosaur" (which was merely nominated, but didn't win) or "The Lady Astronaut of Mars".

MUCH worse. Like, if you gave everyone in these comments two hours to come up with a science fiction story, half of us would come up with something better.

Outside of blatant spelling errors (there were PLENTY of grammar and syntax mistakes) I can scarcely see how it could be worse.


Now we know why, what with its creativity and literary standards, Space Raptor Butt Invasion could not be allowed to win.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 21, 2016 6:03 PM  

Brian Niemeier wrote:We should start a club for Hugo nominees who've finished 6th behind No Award. I'm picturing a swanky private clubhouse and smoking jackets with 6/5 embroidered above the breast pockets in thread of gold.

You could put that on your book cover too.
Winner of the Highly Acclaimed 6/5 Hugo Award!!!

Anonymous Brooklyn August 21, 2016 6:17 PM  

Ha! Rabid Poopies had their nose rubbed in their own Shite.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 21, 2016 6:38 PM  

SEVENEVES should have won but it does disrespect HRC a bit and Stephenson is a White Guy.

Blogger Skyler the Weird August 21, 2016 6:45 PM  

I enjoyed the party. I enjoyed the discussion about the publishing industry. It was also good to hear someone else played Squad Leader by themselves as a Teenager. I remember playing Russian Campaign and the old GDW folio games alone when no opponents were available

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 21, 2016 6:57 PM  

@Sklyler

Not the only one around here. Though in my case it was Starfleet Battles, Afrika Korps, and Panzerblitz

Blogger Keith Glass August 21, 2016 7:08 PM  

Given the unofficial guidelines on who is ALLOWED to get a Hugo. . . .might I suggest a change of venue, to insure no evil words are heard, prior to the Award Ceremony ?

The Hugo Awards and WisCon: made for each other. . . .

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 21, 2016 7:29 PM  


The Hugo Awards and WisCon: made for each other. . . .


Only if WisCon is moved to beautiful, vibrant, downtown Milwaukee. Because diversity! Matters!

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 21, 2016 7:43 PM  

@A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents

You are a bad, bad man.

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent August 21, 2016 8:16 PM  

BoingBoing's SF-SJW-in-chief Cory Doctorow gave the game away in his post on the Hugos by describing the winners first and foremost not as great writers but as women of colour. No wonder Nora Jemisin didn't turn up to collect her award.

Also interesting to note that Doctorow originally referred to one winner as a "Phillipino person" but stealth edited it later to "Filipina person". LOL.

SJWs: All sensitivity, no knowledge.

Anonymous Lett Guo August 21, 2016 8:18 PM  

LastRedoubt wrote:I'm still pondering the long term impact of burying "Safe Space as Rape Room" and Moira Greyland's story.

So am I.

https://youtu.be/HXSZk_EpDio

OpenID tmdfos August 21, 2016 9:25 PM  

n EPH. They did a run of the numbers for EPH if it had been used this year. If I understood, what little I could see of it and the quick look at the 1 or only 5 copies they printed out for over 200 people at the final business meeting, Rabid Puppies would have won just about everything. The one bit of data they didn't examine was the Dramas, short and long (movies/tv), because it was such a huge amount of data to crunch in just a few hours last night.

I was really astonished at that result. I really wish I could have snagged one of those print outs. There is supposed to be a .pdf of that data run but I haven't found it yet.

@91 She went into the vapors in her acceptance speach. Oh I'm such a minority and it's so nice to get the nod to diversity and on and on... ugh. And she was ugh too physically, had these huge tattoo wings on her back over her shoulder blades. NO, I wasn't THAT close but her back was shown on the big screens and she had really short hair so it was hard to miss.
I still don't get the unicorn reference they mentioned in their talks when Uncanny won that category.

Blogger DSW August 21, 2016 9:29 PM  

I can remember when Hugo = Best seller i.e. books that people actually wanted to read.

Blogger Brian Niemeier August 21, 2016 9:44 PM  

"You could put that on your book cover too.
Winner of the Highly Acclaimed 6/5 Hugo Award!!!"

Not a bad idea. I'd remove "Hugo", though. Wouldn't want to scare readers off.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 21, 2016 10:40 PM  

Brian Niemeier wrote:"You could put that on your book cover too.

Winner of the Highly Acclaimed 6/5 Hugo Award!!!"

Not a bad idea. I'd remove "Hugo", though. Wouldn't want to scare readers off.


Oh. Right.

Winner of the Rabidly Acclaimed 6/5 Award!!!

Blogger psychegram August 21, 2016 11:57 PM  

I haven't read the Fifth Season (lack of interest in preachy gender theorist bs) but many of the reviews I read emphasized that the storytelling left a lot to be desired: unlikeable characters doing not a lot of anything, presented in a gimmicky 2nd person narration. Meanwhile I finished Seveneves in no time at all. You'd think the fact that the main heroes of the story were mostly female would have been enough to endear it to SJW readers, but I guess Stephenson being a white male was sufficient to condemn it in their eyes. Absolutely disgusting.

Blogger James Ewing August 22, 2016 4:39 AM  

Ha ha! I love reading your rationalization, you racist fuck!

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 22, 2016 11:50 AM  

@Lett Guo

So am I.

https://youtu.be/HXSZk_EpDio


Nice. Love that album, never heard the live version

Blogger Zap Limited August 23, 2016 11:05 AM  

This is beautiful. I didn't realize the human mind could twist and turn into so many delightful patterns to try and turn an embarrassment into a 'win'. What exactly would a 'loss' look like to you?

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Blogger m. scott veach September 04, 2016 6:58 AM  

i thought you said you were going to stop the Hugo's firm happening.... ?

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