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Wednesday, August 31, 2016

Rejecting the Alt-RINOs

Lawrence Murray is alert to the problem of entryism that sank the Tea Party, and provides a useful guide to distinguishing between the genuine Alt-Right and the Alt-Right In Name Onlys:
Civic nationalists

No. NO! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Civic nationalism is magic dirt nationalism. It's the idea that anyone anywhere can be shoved into the blast furnace of America and made into an American. There's just something about being here that makes you belong here. I mean after all, we're a nation of immigrants right (no reference as to where most of them came from before the last few decades)? Please invade us, just make sure you adopt our language and love of voting and mindless consumption. Race and religion don't real; it's being a good citizen that matters!

When this country becomes "minority-majority" in the 2040s, as it currently is for children under five, it will not be recognizable as a country founded by British people and then populated by waves of pan-European immigration from 1790-1965. The United States will change radically as a result of the third demographic transition. What could be less conservative or nationalistic than letting your people be bred out of existence by foreigners?

Civic nationalists are most certainly not Alt-Right. Nothing they advocate will end the downward trajectory of the United States from a White majoritarian republic (the historical American nation) to a third world shopping mall (Weimerica). It will just make them feel better about their mystery meat grandchildren since at least they wave the flag and speak some variant of English.

The Alt-Right supports ethno-nationalism, not slow death.

Constitutionalists

These are a kind of civic nationalist, I would argue, except even more into legalism and "muh ideas" than they are about an actual identity. They have a paper fetishism for the Constitution and the US legal system, even when it works against them. For example, the (((Supreme Court))), or the Sanhedrin as I call it, currently has three Jews and five Catholics. Justice Antonin Scalia (pbuh) once suggested that there should be more Protestants on the bench, since America has a lot of Protestants and they are totally unrepresented in one of the most powerful organs of the federal government. Obama's proposed nominee is (((Merrick Garland))), "a white guy, but he’s a really outstanding jurist." Thankfully he's being stonewalled by Cuckgressional Republicans, who are doing something useful for once.

For Constitutionalists, not identity, but legal documents are the source of the nation. Tell me how that works out for you when this happens, because the Constitution has glaringly failed to defend the liberty of our posterity.
Now, The Right Stuff may be less than entirely enthusiastic about me, given my Indian and Aztec ancestry as well as my doubts about the prospects for pan-white nationalism in Europe, and I have no problem with those who observe that my identity as a Red reservationist intrinsically disqualifies me as a leader, or even a member, of the Alt-Right. As my longtime readers know, I have zero interest in leadership or belonging to any group; I may be the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil, and my Vile Faceless Minions may happen to mindlessly obey me, but that is simply the natural order of things and an incidental consequence of my contemplations. Although some might very much like to put themselves forward as "leaders" of the Alt-Right - particularly the Dick Armeys and Dana Loesches of the world - I think the Alt-Right would do very well to learn from GamerGate and adopt the leaderless strategy that proved so effective in denying the mainstream media the opportunity to "behead the snake".

As to whether I am a legitimate member of the Alt-Right or not, I will merely observe that the movement is already utilizing words and concepts of my coinage, including in this very article.

The only thing I would add to Murray's article is that while I understand the need to focus on, and underline, the integral white nationalist element of the Alt-Right, even in this very article it implies the larger aspect of the general pro-nationalism that I believe is vital to the ultimate success of the Alt-Right. I don't say this because I am as eager to call myself Alt-Right as an immigrant is to call himself as American as anyone else, but for strategic reasons.

If Alt-Right is solely synonymous with Alt-White, it will be readily replaced as the other nationalists, potential allies from Zionists to Chinese, Swedish, and Igbo nationalists, reject the brand and the movement in favor of something that has room for their nationalism. That is why I favor the broader Alt-Right perspective, not one that permits Civic Nationalists, Constitutionalists, Free Marketeers, or Israel-First "Americans", but one that is as willing to say that China belongs to the Han, Israel belongs to the Jews, and Germany belongs to the Germans as it is willing to declare that America belongs to the Posterity of the Founding Fathers. Hence the 16 points that I proposed the other day.

The best rhetoric is always rooted firmly in truth. Nationalism is not only not supremacism, it is more firmly rooted in historical and scientific fact, and it is a considerably more effective ideology with much better prospects for long-term success.

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186 Comments:

Anonymous Eduardo August 31, 2016 8:14 AM  

U_U you will always have a home in my heart bro... Aztec blood and all.

But it intrigues me Vox. Is it not your future to be... Deported? Give. White nationalism being succesful I mean...

Blogger Orville August 31, 2016 8:19 AM  

You have adopted ((((Groucho's)))) line, "I won't join any club that would have me as a member."

I agree with the headless decentralized organization. The ones trying to step in to lead usually have a political past. Weed those fuckers out.

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 8:19 AM  

But it intrigues me Vox. Is it not your future to be... Deported?

No, because white nationalism is American. I self-deported long ago.

Anonymous Eduardo August 31, 2016 8:24 AM  

Actually I think most people that hunger for positions of power are not trustworthy. You know... They wanna rule other people's lives as their main drive to act.

Blogger wrf3 August 31, 2016 8:34 AM  

Given your position, which I think Lewis expressed by "the Dwarves are for the Dwarves", shouldn't you self-deport from Italy? They aren't your people.

Blogger Sherwood family August 31, 2016 8:37 AM  

Nationalism for ME and for THEE. The Alt-Right wants the same deal for all nations: the right to have a nation and the right to be a nation.

Your a Chinese? Welcome to China.
Your a Jew? Welcome to Israel.
Your a Somali? Welcome to Somalia.



Blogger Sherwood family August 31, 2016 8:37 AM  

Wow. I meant "you're".

Anonymous 5343 August 31, 2016 8:39 AM  

Given your position, which I think Lewis expressed by "the Dwarves are for the Dwarves", shouldn't you self-deport from Italy? They aren't your people.

Nothing about Alt-Right thinking suggests immigration should be absolute zero, or that there is anything inappropriate about sojourning for a time in another country.

It's simply that living somewhere for 20 years (a) doesn't make you a native, and (b) shouldn't entitle you to make decisions about how the nation in which you are a temporary resident is run.

Blogger Jack Ward August 31, 2016 8:43 AM  

I might say, Vox, that as a partial Native American, you are more American [due to the magic dirt, location of birth and partial birthright, and, whatever] than most so called natural, European derived Americans.
Can you imagine the idea of 'deporting' Native Americans?

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 8:48 AM  

Alt Right cannot be a 1 drop ideology either (in America). It will have to accommodate some admixture.

Octoroon/Ocotojew the minimum though?

Anonymous Eduardo August 31, 2016 8:49 AM  

Jack Ward

They lost the war and their lands... If America is White then indians should be out. And everybody else of course.

Creepy prospect I say.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 8:52 AM  

Cont. from 10:

And must id/signal as white and not pull a Kaepernick.

Blogger Gaiseric August 31, 2016 8:52 AM  

Jack Ward wrote:Can you imagine the idea of 'deporting' Native Americans?
What's to imagine? Haven't you ever heard of the Indian Removal Act of 1830?

Blogger Melampus the Seer August 31, 2016 8:52 AM  

I prefer an action manifesto to one of principles. It's much easier to determine what a person does than to verify what a person believes. Instead of wondering it a person believes the nationalist formula diversity + proximity = war, check to see if they have actually (1) supported the right of people to self-segregate, and (2) opposed forced integration. It's always binary: do they acted like an alt-righter, and have they opposed the enemies of nations?

This points the way to a better form of manifesto. Instead of stating beliefs, create a manifesto of action. State the goal and then the program of action. For example, not

"The alt-right understands that diversity + proximity = war"

but rather

"The alt-right respects the dignity of nations. To that end, the alt-right always acts in opposition to forced integration and always secures the right of peoples to self-segregate."

One can quibble with the language. I'm not sure if it's perfectly right, but you get the idea.

A manifesto of action makes it easier to check the observable past actions of a person to see if they are alt-right. And if they aren't, to what degree they can be counted upon as an ally in specific battles. Essentially, a manifest of action prevents the alt-right from becoming a proposition nation itself.

Anonymous Sean Fieldng August 31, 2016 8:55 AM  

Vox, I'm not a regular reader here, so I don't know exactly how your positions may or may not have changed over time, but I have certainly found some of your recent posts very strong on the JQ. I've been following the Alt-Right and its predecessors for a long, long time (eg avid Sailer reader for 20 years) and I have observed that being crimson-pilled on the JQ is the best test for 'membership' and the best barrier against entryism. Of course, a few Jews will readily adapt even to this barrier and try to game it, but will often out themselves eventually.

Thanks for your work here.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 31, 2016 9:00 AM  

Axtec, heart, blood ...

Blogger The Kurgan August 31, 2016 9:01 AM  

Vox,
Somewhat OT: how on Earth do you deal with the frustration of your vision/view/strategy being so utterly mangled and misinterpreted by such large numbers of mouth breathers?

Asking for a friend

Anonymous Sigfader (TRS hangaround) August 31, 2016 9:07 AM  

Hey Vox,

Not sure if you are familiar with the concept of ethnopluralism used by the European New Right. If not check the wiki since it overlaps with your later points somewhat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnopluralism

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 9:07 AM  

Given your position, which I think Lewis expressed by "the Dwarves are for the Dwarves", shouldn't you self-deport from Italy? They aren't your people.

I don't have a people. That is both the blessing and the curse of the mixed-race. We belong nowhere but we can be equally at home anywhere we are accepted. As it happens, I like the Dwarves and have been welcomed by them.

And in any event, the avoidance of any possible accusation of hypocrisy is not a principle by which I abide.

Blogger Nick S August 31, 2016 9:09 AM  

Melampus the Seer wrote:I prefer an action manifesto to one of principles. It's much easier to determine what a person does than to verify what a person believes. Instead of wondering it a person believes the nationalist formula diversity + proximity = war, check to see if they have actually (1) supported the right of people to self-segregate, and (2) opposed forced integration. It's always binary: do they acted like an alt-righter, and have they opposed the enemies of nations?

This points the way to a better form of manifesto. Instead of stating beliefs, create a manifesto of action. State the goal and then the program of action. For example, not

"The alt-right understands that diversity + proximity = war"

but rather

"The alt-right respects the dignity of nations. To that end, the alt-right always acts in opposition to forced integration and always secures the right of peoples to self-segregate."

One can quibble with the language. I'm not sure if it's perfectly right, but you get the idea.

A manifesto of action makes it easier to check the observable past actions of a person to see if they are alt-right. And if they aren't, to what degree they can be counted upon as an ally in specific battles. Essentially, a manifest of action prevents the alt-right from becoming a proposition nation itself.



I agree with this. It would be instrumental to have a clear delineation of both short and long term goals along with the operational mechanics of how we get there from here given the limiting constraints of the contemporary societal framework. Simply slamming the opposition will only go so far.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 31, 2016 9:10 AM  

Job One: "Is it good for CURRENT Americans."

? Open borders? NO.
? Refugee settlement? NO.
? Fiat-dollar Mercantilism? NO. NO. NO. (This is the foundation of NAFTA, TPP and every other "trade" deal that strips the USA of industry in favor of foreign nations.)

First things first. Managing the toxic heterogeneity of the US polity will rise to the top of the priority list once the Credit Bubble finally bursts, but Job One is requiring those here who were not invited to go home, and to end immediately extending invitations to those who bring only costs, immediate and long-term (e.g., Somalis, Syrians, Hondurans, etc.)

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 9:10 AM  

how on Earth do you deal with the frustration of your vision/view/strategy being so utterly mangled and misinterpreted by such large numbers of mouth breathers?

I have been dealing with this since I was 5 years old. It neither surprises nor upsets me. This equanimity in the face of intellectual inferiority is often mistaken for arrogance, but it is nothing more than experience and resignation. To say that I expect it would be an understatement; I am astonished when it doesn't happen to at least some extent.

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 9:13 AM  

I prefer an action manifesto to one of principles.

So why didn't you write one? Why don't you?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 31, 2016 9:14 AM  

@19 Your presence in Italy appears to be more like that of a long term guest. I haven't read that you desire citizenship or intend to influence the local, regional or national politics of your current residence.

If this is so, you induce little resentment from the neighbors. As endlessly noted, in the USA the entire goal seems to be to get people of alien culture signed up to alter the essence of the USA.

Those pushing for this are traitors of the most heinous kind and deserve the literal punishment for treason.

Anonymous Crude August 31, 2016 9:17 AM  

One thing.

Are SJWs white? I mean, obviously they are. But one sticking point I have with ethno-nationalism is that it treats 'whites' as a bloc, or it seems to. But a good chunk of whites are rotten.

Hillary Clinton is white. So is Chelsea. Where does she and people of her ilk hit in this equation?

Blogger Old Ez August 31, 2016 9:25 AM  

The best way I've heard it put so far is that the Alt Right is not a movement, political or otherwise, it is an awakening, or a state of mind (I'm aware of the similarities to Kirk here). The different political and social programs that attach to that state of mind may be varied and disparate, but they all fundamentally belong under "Alt Right".

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 9:26 AM  

Are SJWs white? I mean, obviously they are. But one sticking point I have with ethno-nationalism is that it treats 'whites' as a bloc, or it seems to. But a good chunk of whites are rotten.

So what? That's always true. The point is that whites produce other whites. You need to learn to stop criticizing macro issues from the micro level. It doesn't work that way, in economics or anything else.

Blogger Old Ez August 31, 2016 9:28 AM  

@25 "Are SJWs white? I mean, obviously they are. But one sticking point I have with ethno-nationalism is that it treats 'whites' as a bloc, or it seems to. But a good chunk of whites are rotten."

Think about this:

"Is my misbehaving child still a member of my family? This child is objectively troublesome and potentially harmful. Why should I treat my family as a block when some members are manifestly rotten?"

Blogger rumpole5 August 31, 2016 9:28 AM  

So what IS the alt right solution to the present day challenges we face?

Do we limit the vote franchise to those of British Isle descent or what? Maybe those folks get an extra vote? You get a vote for each generation you can trace on American soil? What is your solution?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 9:29 AM  

A lot of people are going to be calling themselves Alt-Right when they are nothing of the sort. And it is our job to dial ourselves to 11 and show these people we mean business. This is the Overton window shift we have been talking about. Cuckservatism is on its last legs and civic nationalism and right-wing populism are supplanting it. And that's a good thing. But not good enough. Our goal is to wake people from the American Dream.

Murray largely is right here but it also sets up the Alt-Right to engage in a series of counter-productive and self-interested purges not unlike those that were the hallmark of cuckservatism. Adopting broad and agreed principles such as those you laid out should help police the infiltrators and show them "we mean business." Murray's bare bones seven points he formulated in a past post also are broad and acceptable.

The trick will be to have the Alt-Right itself hound out the phonies out of the movement without reliance on some authority figure such as Cuckley to do it. The AR certainly has shown an ability to act in a leaderless, uncoordinated way to make its points. There is no need to have high priests enforce the ranks.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 31, 2016 9:29 AM  

Vox, I'm not a regular reader here, so I don't know exactly how your positions may or may not have changed over time, but I have certainly found some of your recent posts very strong on the JQ.

Yes, it's very satisfying to see. I've been reading him since his first WND column (late 90s? early 2000s?) and it's really remarkable to see how much his thinking has come to resemble ours over the years.

Blogger Josh August 31, 2016 9:29 AM  

What's civic nationalism?

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 31, 2016 9:29 AM  

Civic nationalism also amounts to a kind of identity theft. It allows migrants to take a share of the symbols and identity of the host nation, while reserving the symbols and identity of their homelands for themselves. It literally negates the ethnicity of the host people. I think the alt right should start pursuing the idea of Ethnic Americans as opposed to American Nationals.

Blogger Zach August 31, 2016 9:31 AM  

@Crude,

And Serbs and Croats are both Slavs. Your point?

Blogger Chris Mallory August 31, 2016 9:36 AM  

Jack Ward wrote:I might say, Vox, that as a partial Native American, you are more American [due to the magic dirt, location of birth and partial birthright, and, whatever] than most so called natural, European derived Americans.

Can you imagine the idea of 'deporting' Native Americans?


Red Indians are not Americans. They are what ever tribal name they call themselves. There was no "America" until it was founded by the rebelling British colonists.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 31, 2016 9:37 AM  

To quote the title of a recent Greg Johnson piece:

"The Alt Right Means White Nationalism . . . or Nothing at All."

The Alt-Right is not merely a "state of mind." It's actually a movement comprised of real flesh-and blood people meeting up in real life. We're forming local Pepe Clubs, meme workshops, Spencerian dining associations, and Neo-Fascist discussion fora. Nationalist pool parties are already being held.

What the newbies need to understand is that just because we're fashy and charming and involved in abstruse cultural pursuits doesn't mean we're not hardcore.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 31, 2016 9:39 AM  

"Composed"

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 9:40 AM  

The trick will be to have the Alt-Right itself hound out the phonies out of the movement without reliance on some authority figure such as Cuckley to do it. The AR certainly has shown an ability to act in a leaderless, uncoordinated way to make its points. There is no need to have high priests enforce the ranks.

There is no need so long as there are no accepted leaders. The entryists depend upon there being a leadership structure they can first support, then subvert. This is also one reason why you should NEVER promote a lieutenant to be a leader's successor. Find someone of whom you approve, who has built his own following, and select him instead.

Blogger Josh August 31, 2016 9:41 AM  

We're forming local Pepe Clubs, meme workshops, Spencerian dining associations, and Neo-Fascist discussion fora. Nationalist pool parties are already being held.

That all sounds incredibly gay

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 9:43 AM  

"The Alt Right Means White Nationalism . . . or Nothing at All."

That is correct to a point, but it does not mean that Alt-Right means ONLY white nationalism. If it did, there would be no need to use the term "Alternative Right".

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 9:44 AM  

That all sounds incredibly gay

Your incessant snark is the gayest thing here, Josh. Even the boa-wearing homosexuals are less gay.

Anonymous mature craig August 31, 2016 9:49 AM  

They love basketball too the Serbs and the Croats.they are like the Indiana of Europe

Anonymous Crude August 31, 2016 9:49 AM  

VD,

So what? That's always true. The point is that whites produce other whites. You need to learn to stop criticizing macro issues from the micro level. It doesn't work that way, in economics or anything else.

It's not some passive-aggressive criticism - it's just a question. I'm trying to learn alt-right thought on these points, and I never saw the typical whiteness of SJWs brought up. Alright, so race is primary and politics is secondary, or at least that's what I'm picking up.

Blogger tz August 31, 2016 9:53 AM  

amconmag points out the problem of non-assimilation

Blogger SteelPalm August 31, 2016 9:53 AM  

I've always had a poor opinion of The Right Stuff, but my eyes almost bulged out of their sockets when I read that they apparently believe in a "pan white European nationalism". Do they know ANYTHING about Europe?!

I was born in Russia, and a true Russian nationalist utterly despises Western Europe (especially Britain) and the United States. Including nationalists from those countries. Bulgarian nationalists and Ukrainian nationalists aren't much different in their views of Western Europe.

Which is perfectly fine, of course, so long as the various nationalists concentrate on smashing the EU, UN, and other assorted globalists.

But the idea of a broad, united coalition of white Europeans is utterly ridiculous. A right-wing Texas Christian and a left-wing New York atheist might have more in common.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 9:54 AM  

The entryists depend upon there being a leadership structure they can first support, then subvert.

You did an excellent job of explaining this process in group contexts in SJWAL. It will be fascinating to watch the Alt-Right confront the entryists in the months and years ahead, and your book is a highly recommended survival guide. Infiltration will hit high gear as we elect sympathetic people to public office.

Find someone of whom you approve, who has built his own following, and select him instead.

Exactly. A history of trust is necessary.

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 9:57 AM  

Alright, so race is primary and politics is secondary, or at least that's what I'm picking up.

Picking up? It is explicitly laid out in Point Nine: The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.

Questions are fine. But it is irksome to see those who observably didn't even understand what they read trying to raise objections that consist of things that have obviously already been taken into account.

SJW is a cultural-level element. Therefore, since identity trumps culture, your objection is obviously irrelevant. It was dealt with, you simply didn't understand that it had been, or how.

Anonymous FriarBob August 31, 2016 9:57 AM  

I think at least some of the alt-RINOs are people who were "actual conservatives" (i.e. not cucks) but are not (yet?) willing to "go quite that far". They are not willing to see that we are so ridiculously too far left that a MASSIVE yank - perhaps even an overly-hard yank - back right is desperately overdue.

Sure it's possible to go to far. But it's way overdue to at least *start*.

Blogger Josh August 31, 2016 9:58 AM  

Your incessant snark is the gayest thing here, Josh. Even the boa-wearing homosexuals are less gay.

Hey now, I don't even own a glock.

But point taken.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 10:06 AM  

@44 I was born in Russia, and a true Russian nationalist utterly despises Western Europe (especially Britain) and the United States. Including nationalists from those countries. Bulgarian nationalists and Ukrainian nationalists aren't much different in their views of Western Europe.

This is true, but it must end. The British must support the Russia for the Russians and vice versa. No more Brother/Cousin Wars. Whites must, in general, support the particular ethnicity/whiteness of their other European cousins.

Russia hates Britain because they have meddled in affairs that were not theirs (muh Empire). This must end. I believe that is possible, but do not know the probability for the future.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 10:08 AM  

Hey now, I don't even own a glock.

Yesterday was a good day. Purchased a 10MM. Not the glock, but the 1911.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 31, 2016 10:08 AM  

A point about nomenclature:

Let's be sure to maintain a very strict distinction between "civil nationalism" - which is the magic dirt nonsense described above - and "civic republicanism" - which involves notions of a universal citizen militia and the franchise being limited to its members.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 31, 2016 10:08 AM  

"Civil" = "Civic" above

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 10:10 AM  

A right-wing Texas Christian and a left-wing New York atheist might have more in common.

A big MIGHT here.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 31, 2016 10:11 AM  

Nothing about Alt-Right thinking suggests immigration should be absolute zero, or that there is anything inappropriate about sojourning for a time in another country.

Perhaps not...but there IS a very strong stance on "When in Rome, do as the Romans."

Don't go to some other country and then whine and complain about how they don't cater to you or do things the way they did back home.

E.g. if Muslims want to live like they're in Toiletbowlistan, then they need to go back to Toiletbowlistan.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey August 31, 2016 10:16 AM  

Even Muslims who want to live as if they're in Beverly Hills or Newport Coast need to go back. You need to see these rich Muslim shits irl.

Anonymous Crude August 31, 2016 10:16 AM  

VD,

Questions are fine. But it is irksome to see those who observably didn't even understand what they read trying to raise objections that consist of things that have obviously already been taken into account.

I bet it is. So it's a good thing I didn't raise any objections. And I damn well don't understand what I'm reading completely - that's why I'm asking about it.

SJW is a cultural-level element. Therefore, since identity trumps culture, your objection is obviously irrelevant.

Point nine is "The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics." That alone doesn't tell me whether identity is purely genetic ('those people are white, even if they identify as trans-black a la Dolezal or whatever Shaun King is doing, even if they say they reject the very concept of race') or if it's genetic + embracing that identity or what. Between that and the views about the fundamental commitments of the alt-right regarding culture, I didn't know if race was a sufficient or just a necessary condition for some people or group's welfare being prioritized.

But you said a lot when you talked about macro versus micro thinking. The concern is at the macro level, and I'm asking about micro issues. Great, that frames it better, and now I understand it a bit more. That's all I wanted.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 31, 2016 10:16 AM  

@10 Alt Right cannot be a 1 drop ideology either (in America). It will have to accommodate some admixture.

Speaking of which, I tried out VD's "person of colour" routine on some left-wing FB friend (guy I knew in HS) yesterday, since I have an ancestor who married a Cherokee woman back in 1730, applying the "one drop rule."

He literally did not know what to do with it. I mean, it was mic drop. Dead stop as he tried to process what I was even talking about. He definitely didn't handle it well when I told him to "stop oppressing me, paleface."

Anonymous nobody August 31, 2016 10:19 AM  

Agree.

pro-nationalism generally not just White

also agree on the headless thing

Blogger Josh August 31, 2016 10:20 AM  

But the idea of a broad, united coalition of white Europeans is utterly ridiculous. A right-wing Texas Christian and a left-wing New York atheist might have more in common.

America is a huge country, it's never been as culturally cohesive as people would like to remember.

Blogger SteelPalm August 31, 2016 10:21 AM  

@49

This is true, but it must end. The British must support the Russia for the Russians and vice versa. No more Brother/Cousin Wars. Whites must, in general, support the particular ethnicity/whiteness of their other European cousins.

This sounds about as realistic as China embracing Japan, Sunnis embracing Shiites, or even Irish Catholics embracing Irish Protestants.

It's an absurd kumbaya leftist pipe dream. Like globalism.

Russia hates Britain because they have meddled in affairs that were not theirs (muh Empire). This must end. I believe that is possible, but do not know the probability for the future.

This has absolutely nothing to do with it. You don't understand a damn thing about Russians. Their mindset is utterly different from yours. Hardcore Russian nationalists simply don't like Americans or Brits on general principle, the same way many people on the Alt Right dislike Jews.

Which is fine, so long as the various nationalists concentrate on destroying the globalists and Death Cult. A temporary alliance at some point is possible, too.

But pan white European nationalism? "Embracing" one another? That is never going to happen.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 31, 2016 10:22 AM  

It is going to be fun running the entryists thru the gauntlet. It will be much more fun running the white SJW thru the gauntlet before they are sold as slaves to the glorious POC.

Anonymous Crude August 31, 2016 10:22 AM  

I think at least some of the alt-RINOs are people who were "actual conservatives" (i.e. not cucks) but are not (yet?) willing to "go quite that far".

It can take a while for people to shake some of their old political training. For a long time the defense mechanism for a lot of conservatives was 'It's the democrats who are the REAL racists. See? I think blacks/hispanics are great! Look at French, he's so non-racist he adopted a black child!' The idea that maybe 'not giving a shit if you're called racist' is better in a number of ways takes time to register, but it's catching on.

Anonymous Chohin August 31, 2016 10:22 AM  

"America belongs to the Posterity of the Founding Fathers"

These poeple (the posterity of the founding fathers) are a mix of white, black, Irish, Mexican, Italian, etc.

Blogger The Other Robot August 31, 2016 10:23 AM  

Civic nationalism is magic dirt nationalism. It's the idea that anyone anywhere can be shoved into the blast furnace of America and made into an American.

Perhaps this is relevant:

What the hammer? what the chain,
In what furnace was thy brain?


Or more likely, this:

What the anvil? what dread grasp.
Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

Blogger Giraffe August 31, 2016 10:26 AM  

Yesterday was a good day. Purchased a 10MM. Not the glock, but the 1911.

Congratulations. Always like to hear about new additions to the family.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 31, 2016 10:26 AM  

These poeple (the posterity of the founding fathers) are a mix of white, black, Irish, Mexican, Italian, etc.

No they're not.

Blogger The Other Robot August 31, 2016 10:27 AM  

Murray's bio?

Another voice on the electronic right and an Anglo-American edgelord. Macroagression Consultant at Bagelbaum & Associates LLC. Like my effortposting? Gib e-shekels:

Blogger Gaiseric August 31, 2016 10:30 AM  

Crude wrote:It's not some passive-aggressive criticism - it's just a question. I'm trying to learn alt-right thought on these points, and I never saw the typical whiteness of SJWs brought up. Alright, so race is primary and politics is secondary, or at least that's what I'm picking up.
Find your own answer. Vox has a lot of interesting things to say about the alt-Right, but he's hardly the only intellectual or philosophical foundation. Read his 16 points. Read these 9 points. Read these seven points. They're obviously all more or less on the same page, but they all obviously differ in a variety of details. And then make your own determination of what exactly the alt-Right means to you. That's the whole point of a headless movement of people who believe in freedom, after all.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) August 31, 2016 10:34 AM  

These poeple (the posterity of the founding fathers) are a mix of white, black, Irish, Mexican, Italian, etc.

Which founding fathers were black, Mexican, or Italian?

Anonymous Crude August 31, 2016 10:36 AM  

Find your own answer. Vox has a lot of interesting things to say about the alt-Right, but he's hardly the only intellectual or philosophical foundation.

I was asking whoever cared to answer at first - I'm only addressing him directly now since he responded to me. The alt-right being leaderless is a plus, but I still want to know what others think - especially when I largely agree with them and/or want to relate their ideas to others accurately. If I disagree, I want it to be on a point of disagreement. If I agree, I want to agree with someone's actual opinion, not my mistaken interpretation of it.

Either way, I'll drop it. I just wanted more information, and I've picked some up, so hey - goal reached.

Blogger The Other Robot August 31, 2016 10:37 AM  

Obama could stay in office longer by getting rid of Hillary.

Blogger The Other Robot August 31, 2016 10:39 AM  

But the idea of a broad, united coalition of white Europeans is utterly ridiculous. A right-wing Texas Christian and a left-wing New York atheist might have more in common.

Well, if the both understand the differences between the AR-15 trigger group and the AK-47 trigger group, sure.

Anonymous andon August 31, 2016 10:39 AM  

Chohin August 31, 2016 10:22 AM
"America belongs to the Posterity of the Founding Fathers"

These poeple (the posterity of the founding fathers) are a mix of white, black, Irish, Mexican, Italian, etc.


do you really believe that?

U.S. was 90% white as late as 1965

Blogger Gaiseric August 31, 2016 10:40 AM  

SteelPalm wrote:This has absolutely nothing to do with it. You don't understand a damn thing about Russians. Their mindset is utterly different from yours. Hardcore Russian nationalists simply don't like Americans or Brits on general principle, the same way many people on the Alt Right dislike Jews.

Which is fine, so long as the various nationalists concentrate on destroying the globalists and Death Cult. A temporary alliance at some point is possible, too.

But pan white European nationalism? "Embracing" one another? That is never going to happen.

You're making several category errors. The first is that tolerance of the national identity of others is not equivalent to embrace of their values. What's yours is yours; what's mine is mine doesn't mean anything other than a non-aggression pact that lasts until someone breaks it.

The other category error you make is conflating white with something other than Western civilization. As Samuel Huntington said, the Orthodox civilization is a major civilization in its own right. Russians may look outwardly not too terribly different from Germans or Brits (although that's certainly debatable; I guess to Americans they may do so) but they are not part of Western Civilization, and with the exception of the years between Peter the Great and Nicholas II when the Russian dynasties aped many of the trappings of the West, the Orthodox civilization has gone its own way and done its own thing separate from the Western civilization that was nurtured within the Hajnal line.

Anonymous andon August 31, 2016 10:41 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) August 31, 2016 10:34 AM
These poeple (the posterity of the founding fathers) are a mix of white, black, Irish, Mexican, Italian, etc.

Which founding fathers were black, Mexican, or Italian?


lol

Anonymous Chohin August 31, 2016 10:43 AM  

@66

Titus,
America and America's constitution did not end and was not finalized in 1790. It evolved. And the deliberations of subsequent Americans and American leaders who have helped shape the current Constitution and laws did so with equal credibility of the founding generation. The 13th, 14th, 21st and 24th Amendment hold equal weight as the original 10 and the original constitution.

There's no denying this without denying the validity of the original iteration of the Constitution.

Blogger wrf3 August 31, 2016 10:44 AM  

VD wrote:We belong nowhere but we can be equally at home anywhere we are accepted.
But that's equally true of the Somali's living in Minnesota. So is it your position that Italy should not have accepted you?

And in any event, the avoidance of any possible accusation of hypocrisy is not a principle by which I abide.

Hypocrisy:rhetoric::contradiction::dialectic

I'm not trying to accuse you of hypocrisy; I'm trying to truly understand your position, and work out its implications, when I think it contains apparent contradictions.

Anonymous Chohin August 31, 2016 10:46 AM  

"These poeple (the posterity of the founding fathers) are a mix of white, black, Irish, Mexican, Italian, etc.

do you really believe that?

U.S. was 90% white as late as 1965"

America did not stop in 1965. And by then the descendants of America's founding nation had intermixed with italians, irish, mexicans, french, blacks, etc.

Blogger The Kurgan August 31, 2016 10:49 AM  

This equanimity in the face of intellectual inferiority is often mistaken for arrogance, but it is nothing more than experience and resignation. To say that I expect it would be an understatem

Ah! Thank you. I see my problem. Through the mistaken belief that "surely if I just explain it slower... Or deeper... They too can..." I have yet to fully resign myself to observable reality.
That is I recognise the problem and yet... Some proto-communist sense of "fair-play" struggles on. Becoming Christian is helping me curb stomp it though.

There seems to be precious little solutions other than the weary task of becoming some kind of "leader" and using rhetoric to drive the lemming-hordes towards the enemies of civilisation.

Anonymous andon August 31, 2016 10:50 AM  

Italians and Irish and French, yes. but are they the posterity of the founding fathers? no

mejicanos? lol

Blogger Student in Blue August 31, 2016 10:54 AM  

'Native Americans' can be as grouped together as Europeans are. Mohicans are not Iroquois.

Blogger SteelPalm August 31, 2016 10:57 AM  

@74

As Samuel Huntington said, the Orthodox civilization is a major civilization in its own right. Russians may look outwardly not too terribly different from Germans or Brits (although that's certainly debatable; I guess to Americans they may do so) but they are not part of Western Civilization, and with the exception of the years between Peter the Great and Nicholas II when the Russian dynasties aped many of the trappings of the West, the Orthodox civilization has gone its own way and done its own thing separate from the Western civilization that was nurtured within the Hajnal line.

That's exactly my point! My native country, Russia, is heavily influenced by, but distinct from the West.

Ergo why I stated the proposed pan white European nationalism is a foolish pipe dream.

And sure, in that very post you quoted, I stated a temporary alliance is a possibility. A non-aggression pact is likely, too.

But that's as far as it will go.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 10:59 AM  

@60

This has absolutely nothing to do with it. You don't understand a damn thing about Russians. Their mindset is utterly different from yours. Hardcore Russian nationalists simply don't like Americans or Brits on general principle, the same way many people on the Alt Right dislike Jews.

Which is fine, so long as the various nationalists concentrate on destroying the globalists and Death Cult. A temporary alliance at some point is possible, too.

But pan white European nationalism? "Embracing" one another? That is never going to happen.


Settle down there, Beavis.

You are conflating and reading in that which is not included.

The ethnopluralism definition @18 above is a good start.

It is not about embracing or even liking. It is about respecting each others' ethnicity and allowing for existence without the Brother/Cousin Wars.

You ain't being promised nothing extra. Just giving you life and you're giving them life.

Blogger Shimshon August 31, 2016 11:01 AM  

"Questions are fine. But it is irksome to see those who observably didn't even understand what they read trying to raise objections that consist of things that have obviously already been taken into account."

SJWs are passive-aggressive and thus engage euphemistically. They PROJECT and assume you do too. They convince xerselves that you don't really mean it. It's literally inconceivable to them. Would explain why always with the "seems".

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 11:01 AM  

@50 Conan

Yesterday was a good day. Purchased a 10MM. Not the glock, but the 1911.


That is a very good day indeed. What load? Buffalo Bore makes some serious ammo.

Blogger Brian S August 31, 2016 11:07 AM  

I heard factory 10mm is often underpowered compared to what it really could be, might be worth hand loading if you have the time and interest

Anonymous 5343 August 31, 2016 11:10 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote ...

BGKB called. He wants his title back.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 11:13 AM  

The original Norma ammunition for 10mm:
200 grain bullet @ 1200 feet / second

Yes, you will notice when you fire that round.

http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo-pull-downs/norma-200-grain-fmj-truncated-cone-(original)-pull-down/

Many factory loads are basically 40 S&W in the longer case.
Winchester 175 SJHP Silvertip runs at 1275 f/sec out of most 10mm pistols.

Blogger Brian S August 31, 2016 11:15 AM  

I dunno if I'm "alt-right" or not, but I'm listening and sympathetic to be sure. I'm not sure how to process all this ethno-purity testing however.

At least for me (and I'm hardly alone in this), I'm a euro-mutt... (in no particular order) germanic, nordic, slavic, anglo, irish and a pinch of savage. If that's not american, then I guess I'm what... a nomad?

Blogger The Other Robot August 31, 2016 11:17 AM  

Heatstreet article about girl who commits suicide over fears of being called racis has this confusing sentence:

Bioshock Infinite, they said, was insensitive to the social justice struggle because of the way it depicted both the racists within its universe (The Founders) and the social justice warriors (Vox Populi) in similarly damning terms.

Blogger Guitar Man August 31, 2016 11:17 AM  

I guess you're an official member of the alt-right now, Josh.

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 11:19 AM  

'Native Americans' can be as grouped together as Europeans are. Mohicans are not Iroquois.

Exactly.

I'm not trying to accuse you of hypocrisy; I'm trying to truly understand your position, and work out its implications, when I think it contains apparent contradictions.

A small number of foreigners willing and able to entirely assimilate, completely rejecting their former heritage and traditions, can be beneficial to a nation, and the nation has the option to accept them or not.

By small, I mean less than 5 percent of the total population. If a nation did not want my family, or if we could not commit to full assimilation, I would leave. As it stands, I do not vote or participate in the political process in any way.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 31, 2016 11:21 AM  

This is also one reason why you should NEVER promote a lieutenant to be a leader's successor. Find someone of whom you approve, who has built his own following, and select him instead.

Very interesting observation Vox. I think the most functional traditional systems expect a man to perhaps serve an apprenticeship as a lieutenant while he is younger, but then to go off and (competently) exercise his own smaller command before being given greater authority.

The guy hanging around to inherit someone else's creation is unlikely to lead it very well. Even if they're not an out-and-out entryist (and there's a good chance they are), they'll lack the experience and temperament to be a good leader.

(If Riker really was Captain material, he'd have never turned down the offer to command his own ship.)

Blogger The Hammer August 31, 2016 11:23 AM  

@23, So why didn't you write one? Why don't you?

My own plan with getting things going in my area is once the Dread Ilk forum is going, start a thread for local level ideas, plus one for each state for the same plus networking.

@27, The point is that whites produce other whites. You need to learn to stop criticizing macro issues from the micro level.

I think the regional American ethnicities do rise to the macro-level. HBD blogger Jayman in his American Nations series details the genetic differences. I tend to think of "American" as a broader ethnic term with regard to whites here. Similar to the modern meaning of "British" even though there are 3 macro-level ethnicities on the island.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 31, 2016 11:25 AM  

@ 78 - America did not stop in 1965.

Yes it did. What has evolved since then is not America.

It's time for America to reclaim its place among the White nations of the world.

Blogger Brian S August 31, 2016 11:28 AM  

Guitar Man wrote:I guess you're an official member of the alt-right now, Josh.

https://youtu.be/i_Hlay-ZOwA

Anonymous Zyklon August 31, 2016 11:29 AM  

>>Can you imagine the idea of 'deporting' Native Americans?

There are other Solutions...

Anonymous Chohin August 31, 2016 11:30 AM  

"Yes it did. What has evolved since then is not America."

Of course it is. You just don't like the AMerica that has evolved. That's fine.

However, there is no denying that non whites and non-Anglo Amereican of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc generations have fully adopted the base principles of the Constitution.

Posterity: Those that follow—"succeeding or future generations collectively"

Blogger Nick S August 31, 2016 11:33 AM  

Gaiseric wrote:Find your own answer. Vox has a lot of interesting things to say about the alt-Right, but he's hardly the only intellectual or philosophical foundation. Read his 16 points. Read these 9 points. Read these seven points. They're obviously all more or less on the same page, but they all obviously differ in a variety of details. And then make your own determination of what exactly the alt-Right means to you. That's the whole point of a headless movement of people who believe in freedom, after all.

That's fine, but truth is not subjective and I have to assume one of the goals of the Alt-Right is to disseminate and defend the truth. Most of us are ill equipped to assemble a compendium of relevant truths and must rely on trusted intellects who are sufficiently passionate about the subject to do it for us. The problem we have now is that truth has been relegated to a relativistic position in society. It may be annoying to have to explain things to us pedestrians, but if somebody is going to do it it might as well be somebody who knows what they're talking about and can back it up.

Blogger Nate August 31, 2016 11:33 AM  

"'Native Americans' can be as grouped together as Europeans are. Mohicans are not Iroquois."

Europeans shouldn't be grouped together that way either.

If they could be... Ben Franklin wouldn't have been so worried about the krauts in PA.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 11:36 AM  

@85

Just a few boxes of American Eagle. Do like the Buffalo Bore. I need to make an all around ammo run soon.

I am currently replacing (gave the old man, Grandpa Cimmerian) a couple of gifts)/supplementing the armory.

Need to purchase a replacement big loop lever action 30-30. (Grandpa Cimmerian loved the 16-1/2" carbine barrel with big loop comfort).

Went in to try and buy one to replace the gift, didn't have one in stock, and came out with a 10MM 1911 instead. Like going to a candy store.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 31, 2016 11:36 AM  

There's no denying this without denying the validity of the original iteration of the Constitution.

Lawrence Murray already discussed Constitutionalists. This dumbass troll is appealing to something already dismissed. Soros should dock his pay.

Anyway, for people who do respect the original Constitution (I do, myself, though I don't consider it the source of the nation), it's important to realize that the rule of law, no matter how noble the laws, only work when the vast majority follow them willingly. If laws need to be enforced on anything other than a small percentage of misfits, it falls apart.

That's why the Rule of Law never survives in low-trust third-world basketcases, and why it's rapidly declining in a US that imported millions of low-trust immigrants.

We made the Constitution, not the other way around.

Blogger James August 31, 2016 11:38 AM  

Vox Day is living proof that it really is about ideas. The difference with the magic dirt propositional nation types is it really has to be about the ideas, honestly. There can't be any compromising on the purity of the ideas for the sake of any sort of diversity. As a person of Mexican descent in America I've noticed that a lot of my fellow Mexican-Americans cannot understand me when I say that I prefer the limited non-socialist principles of the Anglo US Constitution to the communistic socialistic big government welfare statism of Mexico and most of the rest of Latin America. They just don't get it, and whether it is all mental or all genetic I consider their point of view to be a subversive threat to what I love and cherish.

Anonymous Seventh Son August 31, 2016 11:39 AM  

I am enthusiastic about Vox, always have been.

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 11:40 AM  

However, there is no denying that non whites and non-Anglo Amereican of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc generations have fully adopted the base principles of the Constitution.

We deny it. They most certainly have not done so.

Posterity: Those that follow—"succeeding or future generations collectively"

It refers to genetic posterity, the descendants of the people to whom the liberties are secured, not people who happened to show up later and live on the same land.

Anonymous Chohin August 31, 2016 11:41 AM  

"Anyway, for people who do respect the original Constitution (I do, myself, though I don't consider it the source of the nation), it's important to realize that the rule of law, no matter how noble the laws, only work when the vast majority follow them willingly"

Then you should be happy as the vsst majority of citizens do follow the rule of law, including immigrants.

More importantly, the original constitution provided a means for the posterity of the founders to amend the constitution in a way that would make those amendments equally valid and equally powerful as the articles and amendments attached to the original constitution.

Anonymous Chohin August 31, 2016 11:44 AM  

"We deny it. They most certainly have not done so."

Which parts of the base principles of the Constitution have non whites and non-anglos not followed?

"It refers to genetic posterity, the descendants of the people to whom the liberties are secured, not people who happened to show up later and live on the same land."

Id doesn't say that in the constitution. And "posterity" is not necessarily a race based notion. If the white man marries a black girl an they have a child, that child constitutions the posterity of the black woman and white man.

Anonymous Jack Amok August 31, 2016 11:46 AM  

Troll didn't read original post. Troll is dumbass.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 11:46 AM  

However, there is no denying that non whites and non-Anglo Amereican of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc generations have fully adopted the base principles of the Constitution.

This is absolute horseshit. The Muslims and Hispanics, to give two examples, not only support extra-constitutional, post-Rule of Law actions but vote routinely for those who not only violate the law but promise to do so. They have with communist support isolated themselves into ghettos and in the case of Muslims encourage anti-constitutional sharia, in the case of Hispanics break civil and criminal laws. It is now time for whites to respond accordingly with their own enclaves, autonomous zones, and nation-states. I hate to break it to you but the Constitution is so dead that law professors who teach constitutional law admit as much. You cannot ghost dance it back to life.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 11:49 AM  

Which parts of the base principles of the Constitution have non whites and non-anglos not followed?

In the case of Islamic supremacists, all of it since most support shariah.

Anonymous Chohin August 31, 2016 11:51 AM  

"The Muslims and Hispanics, to give two examples, not only support extra-constitutional, post-Rule of Law actions but vote routinely for those who not only violate the law but promise to do so."

Out of curiosity, which candidates and lawmakers do not support such laws and ideas?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 11:54 AM  

Out of curiosity, which candidates and lawmakers do not support such laws and ideas?

A prominent one is Hillary Clinton, who routinely commits felonies and trashes the constitution. Most of the cucks and communists don't follow the law or constitution, either. Out of interest: can someone support both shariah and the constitution?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 11:55 AM  

This is a direct question to you, Cholin, again:

Out of interest: can someone support both shariah and the constitution?

Anonymous Chohin August 31, 2016 11:57 AM  

"In the case of Islamic supremacists, all of it since most support shariah."

And in the case of the white supremicists, they support race based policies that are entirely unconstitutional.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 12:00 PM  

So you won't answer. Color me shocked, Chohlin.

Incidentally, since the Constitution is a dead letter at this point, it wouldn't have hurt you at all to be honest and admit shariah and the deceased governing instrument are incompatible.

Now shoo, little troll, shoo.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 31, 2016 12:01 PM  

Brian S wrote:I dunno if I'm "alt-right" or not, but I'm listening and sympathetic to be sure. I'm not sure how to process all this ethno-purity testing however.

At least for me (and I'm hardly alone in this), I'm a euro-mutt... (in no particular order) germanic, nordic, slavic, anglo, irish and a pinch of savage. If that's not american, then I guess I'm what... a nomad?


I happen to be in the same boat you are (take out the Nordic, Anglo, and Irish, and put in a little Baltic, Polish, and Hungarian). My family came here around the turn of the 20th Century when the boom of steel industry was at its height (they ended up in the mills of western Pennsylvania).

Like you, I'm liking a lot of what the alt-right has to say, and it makes sense. My hangup, and I base it on some of my hard-wired sensibilities based on where my heritage comes from, is a bit of distrust towards certain groups, specifically the Anglo and Russian elements, with a little disdain for the Germans (even though I am descended from them). It's natural, in a sense, since around the time my ancestors left their various regions of Europe, things weren't as clear cut as they may be now (i.e. the empires of Prussia and Austria-Hungary, among other things).

My personal opinion: I'm all for assimilation and integration, in so far as it makes sense and is in line with that whole identity > culture > politics flow. It would be helpful to know where the dividing lines (acceptable or not) actually fall, though.

Anonymous andon August 31, 2016 12:02 PM  

Zyklon August 31, 2016 11:29 AM
>>Can you imagine the idea of 'deporting' Native Americans?

There are other Solutions...


Native Americans have claim to this land unlike all the recent economic invaders

Anonymous ZhukovG August 31, 2016 12:09 PM  

@Chohin

YES or NO, do you support the goal explicitly stated in the following statement?:

14.The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

Anonymous andon August 31, 2016 12:09 PM  

Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 11:46 AM
It is now time for whites to respond accordingly with their own enclaves, autonomous zones, and nation-states.


I think its time for whites to stop supporting or doing business with other races except maybe Asians. just shut the others out and also starve the federal govt

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 12:10 PM  

Civic nationalists? "Magic dirt"

Constitutionalists? Ghost dancers.

Neither group will make much headway in the alt-Right.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 12:12 PM  

Chohin
However, there is no denying that non whites and non-Anglo Amereican of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc generations have fully adopted the base principles of the Constitution

I deny it.
Now what?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 12:21 PM  

@101

Just a few boxes of American Eagle. Do like the Buffalo Bore. I need to make an all around ammo run soon.


10mm is a niche round, you have to special order anything other than FMJ, or reload, or both.

I am currently replacing (gave the old man, Grandpa Cimmerian) a couple of gifts)/supplementing the armory.
Need to purchase a replacement big loop lever action 30-30. (Grandpa Cimmerian loved the 16-1/2" carbine barrel with big loop comfort).


The Winchester M92 can be a real good truck gun or urban gun with that shorter barrel. 30-30 or .44 mag even. Needs a butt cuff (settle down BGKB) to carry like 5 extra rounds.

Went in to try and buy one to replace the gift, didn't have one in stock, and came out with a 10MM 1911 instead. Like going to a candy store.

"Candy store", you say that like it's a bad thing.

Anonymous Alexamenos August 31, 2016 12:23 PM  

Civic nationalism seems to me like a nice gateway drug before hitting the harder stuff. It's a lot to ask a fellow to go from being, for instance, a color blind, dems are real racist type to white nationalist without a little room for readjustment.

I spend most of my Internet time trying to clear space to the right amongst white bread conservative types. With lots of folks we simply cant go straight from glenn beck conservatism to rahowa. A little allowance for some alt-rino notions as a transitional stage shouldn't be off the table.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 31, 2016 12:33 PM  

@98 However, there is no denying that non whites and non-Anglo Amereican of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc generations have fully adopted the base principles of the Constitution.

Not necessarily. Pre-1965, the Italians, Poles, etc. largely did (without really understanding them fully), and were at least mostly assimilated.

Post-1965, not so much, since it became officially discouraged to demand assimilation, and since so much larger a percentage of immigrants were from non-Western countries.

It stretches the limits of credulity to assert that the Indians, Chinese, Africans, and Mexicans here now really understand, or even care about, the Anglo-derived Constitution. In fact, from numerous conversations with many, many, many of these folks, I know with a certainty that they do not.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar August 31, 2016 12:35 PM  

An American of Dutch decent- I spent six years in South Limburg (province), not very far from where the grandfather of my grandfather emigrated from. I was sponsored by my now wife. We bought a home and had kids there. But I was always considered to be an outsider (buitenlander) and stranger (vreemdeling). This never bothered me in the least. I sometimes got a rise out of them with my rugged individualist (cowboy) notions. Cowboy is a term sometimes used in criticism, and they did not comprehend how Americans can revere such a figure.

Anyway, after the kids reached school age it was time to go. I met some very nice folks while I was living there, but they knew that I was not one of them and would never be.

It is amazing how our prevailing national attitude automatically confers an American identity to anyone who decides to enter this country. Even when many do not assimilate and only work to feather their foreign nest.

It cheapens our culture to hand it out so freely.

Anonymous GreyS August 31, 2016 12:43 PM  

The ham-handed Whites Fürst! stuff is a losing strategy. Essentially it's playing fantasy and daydreaming. You'll never get the broader support needed for success here unless you generalize and and link up with the growing support for/from nationalists around the world.

America for Americans is good enough (just as Portugal for Portuguese, Sweden for Swedish, China for Chinese etc etc) and all your gonna get anyway.

The clunky pro-whites like Lawrence are too shortsighted.

Funny though to see all these guys expose themselves as VD's readers. GG's leaderless model is one to follow, but it's becoming apparent that the non-white non-resident non-leader is the ghost in the alt-right machine.





Anonymous #8601 August 31, 2016 12:46 PM  

@36 Laguna Beach Fogey - Nationalist pool parties are already being held.

With a healthy complement of Aryan Goddesses.

Blogger Montrose August 31, 2016 12:50 PM  

Linking TRS and Lawrence Murray.

Rev up the helicopters!

Blogger James Dixon August 31, 2016 12:53 PM  

So, how many more posts before Chohin 's lies get him banned? Should we start a pool?

Blogger Anchorman August 31, 2016 12:56 PM  

Oh, no!

National Review is calling for the AR to be read-out of the Right, just like John Birchers.

How do you kick someone out who doesn’t want to be a part of the club? The NR club systematically gave away the nation. They stood and yelled, “Not so fast” as the Left chipped away at our nation, bit by bit.

I also think shedding light on the John Birch Society may backfire in the modern era.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis August 31, 2016 1:01 PM  

"14.The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children."

Unfortunately, most SJWs and ideological leftists are WHITE. Therefore 14 cannot stand by itself. And it is clearly a fact that it was WHITE people that produced the concept of multiculturalism and the flooding of the USA with 3rd world immigrants. So white nationalism is in itself insufficient.

Therefore there must be an ideological component beyond 14. Ideally it should be expressed in a single sentence. Having a large number of points confuses the issue.

Blogger Nick S August 31, 2016 1:05 PM  

"The ham-handed Whites Fürst! stuff is a losing strategy."

What? I thought we were lobbying for black rights freedom of exclusive association.

Blogger Karl August 31, 2016 1:06 PM  

at least they wave the flag and speak some variant of English.

Civic nationalism was tried and still has many defenders.

I went looking for the original pledge of Pledge of Allegiance, and it was not written by Bellamy, but by George Balch (civic nationalist, civil war vet and educator)

"We give our heads and hearts to God and our country; one country, one language, one flag!"

Which was changed by the Christian Socialist Bellamy (along with the National Education Assoc) to remove God.

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

and then changed again in the 20s to reference the United States, because there were so many immigrant children that civic nationalists didn't want the kids to think they were still pledged to their old flag.

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And the salute itself also changed. From a "Hail Caesar" salute to the present hand on heart. If someone says we need more civic nationalism, this is what it looked like 100 years ago. Somehow I doubt they mean it. Because the assimilationists of the 1900-1920s meant it.

https://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/782/ScreenShot2014-08-01at1.44.28PM.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Bellamy_salute_1915.jpg/640px-Bellamy_salute_1915.jpg


Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2016 1:22 PM  

OT: How did I miss this epic Trolling of Joe Biden by Serbians?

http://vesselnews.io/joe-biden-welcomed-serbia-rally-trump/

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants August 31, 2016 1:26 PM  

I come at this from a completely different direction. I'm much older and have always had these beliefs, nothing in the Alt Right viewpoint is in conflict with what I've considered as fact. Due to that, I've always been somewhat politically rudderless. The GOP has never been what I thought it should be, and the unwillingness to fight for themselves, their people, their cultures, has always turned me off. This "above it all," refusal to get in the mud and wrestle the pig, isn't really because they see getting dirty as low-class, low IQ barbarism, it's because in reality, they're a bunch of pussies hiding behind "muh principles," "muh superior intellect."
Does anyone really believe that the navel gazing, perennially outraged shit talkers like Erick Erickson, Kevin Williamson, Jonah Goldberg, et al, would really just take up arms & defend themselves & our people, if the SHTF?
They'll be the first ones digging hidey holes.
I'm a white American grandmother, a business owner, and the time for all that "I'm the REAL Constitutional Constitutionalist" virtue signaling rhetoric is over.

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 1:26 PM  

Unfortunately, most SJWs and ideological leftists are WHITE. Therefore 14 cannot stand by itself. And it is clearly a fact that it was WHITE people that produced the concept of multiculturalism and the flooding of the USA with 3rd world immigrants. So white nationalism is in itself insufficient. Therefore there must be an ideological component beyond 14. Ideally it should be expressed in a single sentence. Having a large number of points confuses the issue.

Again demonstrating the utility of 14. And again, you are certainly welcome to summarize your ideology in a single sentence, write it down, and see how many people pay attention to it.

Because I, for one, could not care less what you think about this.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 31, 2016 1:34 PM  

I have sympathy for the Ethno-Nationalists, but Im a Culturalist, myself.

Discrimination against foreign cultures is good.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 31, 2016 1:35 PM  

I have sympathy for the Ethno-Nationalists, but Im a Culturalist, myself.

Discrimination against foreign cultures is good.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 1:37 PM  

@126
GreyS
The ham-handed Whites Fürst! stuff is a losing strategy. Essentially it's playing fantasy and daydreaming. You'll never get the broader support needed for success here unless you generalize and and link up with the growing support for/from nationalists around the world.

Concern troll is concerned. Maybe read the original article before posting next time?

VD in the OP
If Alt-Right is solely synonymous with Alt-White, it will be readily replaced as the other nationalists, potential allies from Zionists to Chinese, Swedish, and Igbo nationalists, reject the brand and the movement in favor of something that has room for their nationalism.

Honestly, the concern trolling and (((concern trolling))) is getting tedious, but will no doubt get worse for months to come.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 1:44 PM  

@134
Were-puppy
OT: How did I miss this epic Trolling of Joe Biden by Serbians?


Translation would be nice. The anti NATO poster interesting touch.
Guess history didn't end back in the 90's after all?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2016 1:55 PM  

OP - is this guy not pulling a Buckley here ?

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis August 31, 2016 1:56 PM  

Might be as simple as this. 14 + the following: "All cultural Marxists and proponents of Islam shall be deported."

Deporting the followers of Islam is obvious. Cultural Marxists include all SJWs, left-wingers, BLM types, inner city hood rats, community organizers, La Raza, and the (((usual suspects))).

How about that? It has the virtue of being actionable while being simple. So:
"14.The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children."
"10. All cultural Marxists and proponents of Islam shall be deported."

For amusement: 14+10=24; of the miracles performed by the Christ 24 were cures.

Blogger The Hammer August 31, 2016 2:03 PM  

@131, So white nationalism is in itself insufficient.

Therefore there must be an ideological component beyond 14. Ideally it should be expressed in a single sentence. Having a large number of points confuses the issue.


The other points entail ethnic nationalism, which is more specific than white nationalism. That handles the issue. Google the series I mentioned in my comment at @94, and you will see how the problem is already taken care of by the ethnic nationalism of the other points.

My own thoughts on #14 is that it wouldn't be needed if it weren't for the leftist ideology and rhetoric that whites in general and white ethnicities in particular are a special exception. But since their ideology on the matter has already suffused Western cultures, it's a necessary platform point. Kind of like some historical church councils that weren't necessary until some heresy arose.

Blogger John Williams August 31, 2016 2:08 PM  

However, there is no denying that non whites and non-Anglo Amereican of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc generations have fully adopted the base principles of the Constitution.
Where's that link to the Mexican saying Texas belongs to Mexico because his family has been there for 10 generations?

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 2:22 PM  

Oh, no!

National Review is calling for the AR to be read-out of the Right, just like John Birchers.


National Review had better purchase ads on sites like this one (if they even can) so the rest of the Alt-Right can know about it. I would have been blissfully ignorant if you hadn't given me the heads up, as would the other 99 percent that doesn't read National Review.

You are right, though. That is priceless. We can't even write we've been kicked out of better places because we weren't ever there or wanted to be near there.

I also think shedding light on the John Birch Society may backfire in the modern era.

If you posted the tenants of NRology and Bircherism, I have no doubt which of the two most Americans would embrace over the other.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 2:31 PM  

@104 Seventh Son:
I am enthusiastic about Vox, always have been.

Seventh Son for the standard foam party. Trad Wives?

J/K

I did have to beat you with the twits and tweets to get y'all to get him on the show. Perhaps that is why your are the second rated TRS show now?

J/K

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2016 2:38 PM  

I might not be alt-right.

But I don't care anyway, as long as they are fighting the globalists.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian August 31, 2016 2:41 PM  

@122 10mm is a niche round, you have to special order anything other than FMJ, or reload, or both.

I lack the die. But the reload is fine.

There is a Buffalo Bore load that has 1500 fpm velocity. Now that is akin to a .40 S&W magnum. Need some of that.

Was just looking at luckygunner.com and they have some nice bulk orders on both FMJ and hollow points.

Blogger Nate August 31, 2016 2:50 PM  

"OP - is this guy not pulling a Buckley here ? "

He hopes he is. But that is rather like the Hugo's trying to excommunicate the Rabid Puppies.

Anonymous BGKB August 31, 2016 2:55 PM  

The entryists depend upon there being a leadership structure they can first support, then subvert.

If you claim to be the leader of the alt right do you get a free trip to((( Epstein))) Island?

Josh That all sounds incredibly gay

There is also TWINKS4TRUMP, I guess josh is challenging me for the expert on things gay.

However, there is no denying that non whites and non-Anglo Amereican of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc generations have fully adopted

Mestizo Hispanics don't believe in doing the right thing even if no one is watching.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 31, 2016 3:06 PM  

@98 And let's guess, you just happen to be one of these 1-4 generation foreigners who you claim is fully assimilated.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner August 31, 2016 3:15 PM  

Out of curiosity, which candidates and lawmakers do not support such laws and ideas?

Sand nigger moslem judge ruled sand nigger moslem not guilty of assaulting someone wearing a zombie moohammad costume. http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/judge-in-zombie-muhammad-case-reprimanded/

The ham-handed Whites Fürst! stuff is a losing strategy. Essentially it's playing fantasy and daydreaming

Since everyone wants the golden eggs of innovation that only white men can produce every minority wants to be the only minority present in a white neighborhood.

Unfortunately, most SJWs and ideological leftists are (((WHITE))). Fixed It For Jew

OT: How did I miss this epic Trolling of Joe Biden by Serbians?

Hopefully someone gets around to putting rat poison in his son's cocaine so he wont be able to take over for HilLIARy.

Anonymous GreyS August 31, 2016 3:17 PM  

@139 Let's make this easier on you Dime: Give me your address and I will FedEx my jock in a mason jar. That way you can breath in all that goodness any time you want.

Blogger Desiderius August 31, 2016 3:25 PM  

VD,

"I don't have a people."

No, Vox, you do, you do:

"Where you go, I will go;
where you stay, I will stay;
your people shall be my people,
and your God my God.
Where you die, I will die—
there will I be buried.
May the Lord do thus and so to me,
and more as well,
if even death parts me from you!”

- Ruth 1

Ask Beau, he'll tell you.

Blogger VD August 31, 2016 4:15 PM  

I am enthusiastic about Vox, always have been.

My apologies. Do accept my partial retraction.... But I wasn't complaining, you understand more acknowledging the legitimacy and importance of the Alt-Right:Alt-White having white Americans speak for it.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 31, 2016 4:54 PM  

How do you kick someone out who doesn’t want to be a part of the club? The NR club systematically gave away the nation. They stood and yelled, “Not so fast” as the Left chipped away at our nation, bit by bit.

This gets funnier the more I consider it, Anchorman.

So if the contemporary National Review purges someone and no one hears about it, does it make a sound?

Solid gold.

Blogger Joshua Sinistar August 31, 2016 5:33 PM  

Here's an interesting and short summary to peruse.

Two alternate realities.

Western Civilization: White people built a functional society. Over the ages they advanced to spaceflight, and went to space to discover the secrets of the Universe and explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and found new civilizations.

Globalism: White people were bred out and pushed out of power. The rival tribes celebrated and lived well until the technology and society broke down in a few years. Then followed the Collapse where horrible raidation scarred homosexual mutant survivors of the global wars fought over the scraps.

The globalist version is also the opening chapter of The Sacred Scrolls written by The Lawgiver on the Planet of the Apes.

Anonymous Avalanche August 31, 2016 5:41 PM  

@40 "We're forming local Pepe Clubs, meme workshops, Spencerian dining associations, and Neo-Fascist discussion fora. Nationalist pool parties are already being held."

I listened to a Richard Spencer interview yesterday, talking about Dylan Roof. (I had not followed the incident closely, knowing what was coming after it.) Alas, that young Dylan did NOT have a group, a mentor, a 'clan,' a tribe, where he could *openly* discuss what he was learning with people who already knew! Maybe he was mentally ill, maybe he was just directionless and overwhelmed ... but I was reminded of what we jokingly called our "hate dinners" -- a group of 8-15 mostly men (I was usually the only woman who attended) who met weekly to discuss the news, share info, and speak FREELY about what was happening to our society.)

When the founder (whom I thought of/described as the anchor) of the group moved away, we tried to continue it, but without the anchor it couldn't hold. (He's probably moving back, so I'm hoping for a resumption!)

One new member started out a bit unsure about how ... strong ... we were on the JQ; after a few months, he came in and complained that he "had always watched Faux News, but all of a sudden, after listening to and talking with us: "OMG! EVERY SINGLE story was about the jews and what the jews had "us" doing!!"

Couple months later, he came in one night and complained that he has always listened to Rush -- and all of a sudden, after listening to and talking with us: OMG! Rush was a TOTAL sellout! Just a Jew PR-man!! Well, at least he still the Wall Street Journal!"

Couple more months and "OMG! It's ALLLLLLL propaganda! Everywhere I look!"

BUT, having a place to come to ask and tell, to investigate and discuss, allowed new members to learn, and old members to 'lift the burden' of always watching what they said. (We are, after all, living behind enemy lines!)

A church-group wouldn't suit me, and might not suit other non-religious Ilk, but (and, thank you Supreme Lord for the ongoing rhetoric lessons!) we'll call the new "hate dinners" Liberty Dinners! Or maybe Freedom Dinners. Or heck, maybe Alt-Right Dinners!!


Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 5:42 PM  

NR parks its pickup on the tracks of the alt-Right.

But the train is fine

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 31, 2016 5:44 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biu8U4MUGWE

I say again, the train is fine.

Blogger Flarn Johnson August 31, 2016 6:00 PM  

Recently Fired from National Catholic Register, White Knight Honor of the Lady Defender, Paladin-Churchian Level 13, Sir Mark Shea, he of the renown & epically trolled, "Dark Enlightenment" story with phenotype...https://voxday.blogspot.com/2014/02/thats-no-statue-thats-mark-shea.html
is weighing in on the "Alt Right"...apparently its the Abortion Lovers Edition of the Alt Right. Seamless Garments Ahoy!

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markshea/2016/08/the-alt-right-vs-the-pro-life-movement.html

Blogger Were-Puppy August 31, 2016 6:18 PM  

@157 Avalanche

Well, at least he still the Wall Street Journal!"
---

Next time you see him, share this with him:

WSJ
SJW
JWS



A church-group wouldn't suit me, and might not suit other non-religious Ilk, but (and, thank you Supreme Lord for the ongoing rhetoric lessons!) we'll call the new "hate dinners" Liberty Dinners! Or maybe Freedom Dinners. Or heck, maybe Alt-Right Dinners!!
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That would be good also.

Blogger Gaiseric August 31, 2016 7:35 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:I might not be alt-right.

But I don't care anyway, as long as they are fighting the globalists.

I might not be either, depending on who you ask. But to the degree that the alt-Right can be summarized as the Old Right or Pat Buchanan paleoconservatives, but with much more effective tactics and a genuine glee in being outrageous provocateurs, well... the difference between us is pretty thin.

Blogger Dire Badger August 31, 2016 8:11 PM  

Murray is apparently utterly clueless when it comes to the alt right/constitutionalist crossovers.

The support the constitution as the magical document that it is, but pretty much disagree with the supreme court's ability to alter it's basic meaning with a simple majority.

Basically, every amendment since 1803 (The twelfth being the last valid amendment) has been done without The consent of the American people. In short, ar/c hybrids refuse to acknowledge a government's right to be an enemy of it's own people.

Sure, there are some neoconstitutionalists acting like they are trying to be a 'moderating influence' on the alt-right, but the only ones taking their ejaculations seriously are the leftist media whores lapping it up.

Anonymous Discard August 31, 2016 9:35 PM  

Chohin: No one who supports affirmative action is following the "base principles of the Constitution", for a start.

Blogger Nobody In Particular August 31, 2016 9:37 PM  

Vox Day's historical analysis made me curious. I read more about the Founding Fathers, to see what they might have meant by their "posterity".
As I already knew, I found that Washington had no children of his own. Neither did Madison. Neither did Hancock. However, both Washington and Madison helped raise their wives' children. They might have taken a more expansive view of their "posterity" than Vox Day does.
If the Founders meant to write "descendants", they would have written "descendants". However, that would have included Jefferson's other children, for instance. So perhaps they had a good reason to write "posterity" and not "descendants". Perhaps "posterity" did not have a purely biological meaning to them.
As it is, a lot of people can (and do) claim to be part of the posterity of the Founders, not all biologically related.
So much has been made out of this single word.

Anonymous Discard August 31, 2016 9:54 PM  

165. Nobody in Particular: Jefferson's "other" children? That business about the slave Sally Hemmings bearing his children is bullshit. Read the original article on the topic in "Nature" magazine.

Blogger dfordoom August 31, 2016 10:11 PM  

@@ Bellator Mortalis

Might be as simple as this. 14 + the following: "All cultural Marxists and proponents of Islam shall be deported."

If you're going to start deporting people for adhering to a religion and/or culture that is hostile to western civilisation you might want to consider a certain other religious/cultural group for deportation. Especially since the group in question already has it own country. The group in question has done a lot more harm to western civilisation in the past hundred years than Islam. In fact without this group you probably wouldn't have cultural marxism and Islamic immigration to worry about.

The problem with this kind of idea is how on earth do you enforce it? We all know a cultural Marxist when we see one but how would you provide a legal definition which you'd need in order to deport them? And you'd be deporting most of the white population. Probably 90 percent of Millennials. Almost the whole of the teaching profession. The whole of Hollywood (which would certainly be a good thing).

And where are you going to deport them to?

A better way to deal with SJWs is to starve them out. Start by shutting down most of the universities apart from the STEM schools.

Blogger Gaiseric August 31, 2016 10:11 PM  

@165. Mostly so much has been made out the word by you. Why, you propose that it means whatever you want it to!

The rest of us already know what posterity means and don't need you to wring up new definitions ex nihilo.

Blogger Lazarus August 31, 2016 10:25 PM  

How the ‘alt-right’ checkmated the media

The media has to respond to the alt-right’s antics, but by responding we’re playing directly into their hands. “They have us in a checkmate,” says Thomas.

In fact, it’s more like they have us in check. We may have to get off the internet to make our next move.


This means what?

Blogger Nobody In Particular August 31, 2016 10:25 PM  

Judging by the abstracts, the articles say that Jefferson or one of his close relatives fathered Sally Hemings' children. With microchimerism and whatnot, it's hard to have conclusive proof one way or another, but everything I read about it points this way.
Anyway, my point is that some of the Founders may have meant something else by their "posterity" than just their biological descendants.
Maybe they would or wouldn't recognize the present-day US as their "posterity", but maybe they wouldn't limit it to the Sons and Daughters of the American Revolution.

Blogger Nobody In Particular August 31, 2016 10:36 PM  

Well, posterity just means future generations, i.e. people who will live in the future. It does not always mean "your own grandchildren". For example, there is the phrase "writing for posterity". It does not mean "writing for your direct descendants".
To me, this shows that parsing the meaning of "posterity" is a shaky ground to base an argument on.

Blogger Desiderius August 31, 2016 11:34 PM  

"there is the phrase 'writing for posterity'. It does not mean 'writing for your direct descendants'."

It does when there is an our in front posterity, as there is in the preamble to the Constitution. You conveniently left that off.

Blogger dfordoom September 01, 2016 12:05 AM  

@ Bellator Mortalis

Unfortunately, most SJWs and ideological leftists are WHITE. Therefore 14 cannot stand by itself. And it is clearly a fact that it was WHITE people that produced the concept of multiculturalism and the flooding of the USA with 3rd world immigrants. So white nationalism is in itself insufficient.

Yes, the sickness killing our civilisation comes from within. Only white people could have pushed the Auto Self Destruct button on their own civilisation. Whatever (((outside hostile groups))) might have done to destroy it could not have worked without the active collaboration of white people.

The situation is not hopeless but it requires an accurate diagnosis followed by drastic surgery. Shutting down universities, purging school teachers, breaking up media conglomerates, that sort of thing. There's no point in just attacking SJWs - you have to destroy the nests.

Anonymous SciVo September 01, 2016 12:56 AM  

Lazarus wrote: How the ‘alt-right’ checkmated the media

"In fact, it’s more like they have us in check. We may have to get off the internet to make our next move."

This means what?


Either xe's exhorting a bunch of chinless hipsters and triple-chinned hippos to crybully thoughtcriminals IRL, or xe means doxxing. (Or both.) So it's exactly the same as the standard SJW playbook, but with access to better databases.

(They better not mistake us for Republicans. I'll go by Chicago rules if the journalism profession starts that fight. Every single fucking one of them will be fair game for 10x escalation.)

I especially like the recurring appearance from our cuckyhawk friend, "let's you and him fight" Benji, who accidentally blurted out some truth:

“There’s a very small ideological core,” says Shapiro, and its fundamental ideology is that “Western civilization is an ethnic and racial feature, not a philosophy that can be extended to all people.”

Thanks for the assist, man. So many people have never even heard that verifiable truth before. Much appreciated, on so many levels. You don't even know.

Blogger Technomad September 01, 2016 1:33 AM  

One difference between "then" and "now" is that in the old days, there was a lot less slack cut for newcomers. The rule was "Learn English!" not "Press 2 for Spanish." And "greenhorn" was an insult, as was "hyphenated American."

Blogger Terrekain September 01, 2016 3:08 AM  

Vox: ""

I think Vox Day gives up the game here.

Chinese Nationalists, Israel-first Jews, etc, are not allies, and to "welcome" them into the moniker "Alt-Right" would simply be another case allowing parasitism to overtake teh body politic, much as RINOs and Cucks.

So Vox Day is a self-admitted Cuck.

The truth is that Americans aren't Chinese nationalists, Japanese nationalists, Israleli-Firsters, etc. Oh, there are Americans who are racially Asian or have some ancestry originating from Asia (just as Whites originate from Europe), but they are not beholden to anything BUT American patriotism.

The bottom line is that real Americans - in fact and not just in name or federal documentation - want America to remain majority White, and that includes non-White Americans.

As for the government-approved "Americans" who insist that America doesn't really exist, is a slave country, doesn't have a national identity to begin with, etc?

What about them?

The truth is that the American culture is dying, not because it isn't letting in enough enemies, but because it's letting in too many...and the reason for that is that credulous Americans are following traitorous, blind or weak leaders.

Vox Day is one of these - though it is up to his followers to decide if they want to follow him, as he throws loyal Americans (of all races) under the bus to curry favor with self-identified traitors - people more like himself.

"It requires a lifetime of work to prove Faith, and only one instant of weakness to prove Betrayal."

Blogger VD September 01, 2016 3:57 AM  

The truth is that Americans aren't Chinese nationalists, Japanese nationalists, Israleli-Firsters, etc. Oh, there are Americans who are racially Asian or have some ancestry originating from Asia (just as Whites originate from Europe), but they are not beholden to anything BUT American patriotism.

You're a moron, Terrekain. You quite clearly didn't understand that I am talking about welcoming Chinese nationalists WHO LIVE IN CHINA into the Alt-Right.

So Vox Day is a self-admitted Cuck.

You're banned and all of your future comments will be spammed for lying.

Blogger Dire Badger September 01, 2016 4:56 AM  

Hell, I'd think many high-rank Mexicans might even be technically considered alt-right, due to the fact that they are doing what they think is best for their country and people by encouraging their fecal matter to move here.

Obviously, they are our enemy, but that doesn't make them any less true patriots. I'd cheerfully have a beer with them right before I shoot them.

Anonymous Discard September 01, 2016 5:01 AM  

170. Nobody in particular: IIRC, DNA studies showed that one of Sally Hemmings six (?) children is known to have been fathered by any one of 25 Jeffersons. Two of those 25 possible fathers, an uncle and a nephew of Thomas Jefferson, were known oil-drillers. That's a pretty slender reed to hang paternity on Thomas himself. The article in the British magazine "Nature" that started the ball rolling, back in the mid '90s, cited the Freudian psychobiographer Fawn Brodie as it's source for determining that Thomas was the most likely candidate. That a geneticist would cite a Freudian psychobiographer in a supposedly scientific article only shows the corruption of both the scientist and the magazine that published him. He might have fairly claimed that DNA showed a four percent chance that Thomas fathered one of Sally Hemmings children. His scientifically unsupported claim that Thomas most likely fathered the child because Fawn Brodie says so casts doubt on his scientific as well as his personal integrity.
That is, he's a fucking liar.

Blogger Dire Badger September 01, 2016 5:10 AM  

@176-
If you want to insult Vox, call him a loudmouthed, obnoxious, Egomaniacal Asshole. Hell, he freely admits to all of those things. But I wouldn't call him a cuck. I might even step into the ring with him for a few rounds with gloves if I lived close, but you seem to have ignored the basic core of being alt right.
"My people are more important to me than your people are, just like your people are more important to you than my people." It's assholeish, but I am an asshole that way, as were the hard men that fought and bled and died anonymously in the wilderness for the bare opportunity of creating a new land for their children and children's children.

When the world is full of traitorous dicks, it takes an asshole to lure them out. Gay as that may sound, it's the truth.

Cucks are those who choose to betray their own for the good of other people's people, whether for the promise of money, power, or the feel-good self-congratulations of pretending you are 'doing the right thing' in the laziest possible way.

Blogger Ben Sanderson September 01, 2016 7:17 AM  

This is not an addition. TRS has already stated it believes all races deserve to have their own homelands.

Anonymous SaltHarvest September 01, 2016 4:41 PM  

Lazarus wrote:How the ‘alt-right’ checkmated the media

The media has to respond to the alt-right’s antics, but by responding we’re playing directly into their hands. “They have us in a checkmate,” says Thomas.

In fact, it’s more like they have us in check. We may have to get off the internet to make our next move.


This means what?


What they usually do when their tactics begin to lose effectiveness... run for Government (aid).

Anonymous SaltHarvest September 01, 2016 5:09 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@19 Your presence in Italy appears to be more like that of a long term guest. I haven't read that you desire citizenship or intend to influence the local, regional or national politics of your current residence.

If this is so, you induce little resentment from the neighbors. As endlessly noted, in the USA the entire goal seems to be to get people of alien culture signed up to alter the essence of the USA.

Those pushing for this are traitors of the most heinous kind and deserve the literal punishment for treason.


Absorbing (fusing, if one considers the symbolism inherent in the flag and the term "union") different cultures into its expanding Imperial influence by force is one interpretation of the Constitution, albeit a negatively-oriented one. In that case, war is a method of refining out the slag.

Anonymous SaltHarvest September 01, 2016 6:58 PM  

The Other Robot wrote:Heatstreet article about girl who commits suicide over fears of being called racis has this confusing sentence:

Bioshock Infinite, they said, was insensitive to the social justice struggle because of the way it depicted both the racists within its universe (The Founders) and the social justice warriors (Vox Populi) in similarly damning terms.


It's not as confusing for me. Art imitates life... SJWs peer into a mirror and don't like what they see. They blame the art and the artist.

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