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Friday, August 19, 2016

The media is not above the law

I've been hard on Jonah Goldberg of late, and correctly so, which is why it is important to give the author of Liberal Fascism his due when he gets it right, as he does here with regards to the death of Gawker.
The real issue seems to be that journalistic corporations are just different than every other kind of corporation. No one would bat an eye if, say, George Soros, bankrolled an invasion-of-privacy lawsuit by the ACLU against a “normal” corporation like Microsoft or Bank of America. But when a media outlet is in the dock, the rules are different.

Gilles Wullus of the group Reporters Without Borders told the BBC that the Gawker case poses a dire threat to press freedom. “Journalism ethics should be taken care of by journalists themselves,” he said. “In case they do not, we think that nobody else can do it in their place, neither states nor governments; especially not wealthy individuals.”

A free press is an important institution in a democracy, but journalists don’t have any rights the rest of us don’t. What nonsense.

Yes, a free press is an important institution in a democracy (and even more important in non-democracies), but journalists don’t have any rights the rest of us don’t. A reporter has the right to free speech, and so does a plumber. Indeed, in the era of smartphones, it has never been more true: We all have the right and ability to commit journalism. That right manifests itself in people, not corporations. The New York Times, to the extent that it is a “corporate person,” should have no more (and no fewer) rights than Exxon Mobil.

Imagine the outrage if I said, “Petroleum-industry ethics should be taken care of by petroleum industry executives themselves.” It’s certainly fair to argue against the merits of the verdict. But no one is above the law. Not even journalists, never mind corporations in the journalism business.
There is no "Fourth Estate". There is nothing special about the media and they have no rights that anyone else doesn't have. And when they break the law, be it criminal or civil, they are liable for the consequences.

On the other hand, Jonah's NRO colleague, Mario Loyola, fails to understand that the conservative media is, in part, culpable for the declining regard in which America's institutions are held in a piece that is unmitigated cuckservative blather.
Democracy depends vitally on reverence for “the majesty of the democratic system.” That means reverence for its basic institutions, if not for the men and women who run them as individuals. It’s one thing to criticize politicians as crooked and mendacious, but quite another to say that our democratic institutions are themselves corrupt. If that is true in any major respect, it is vital to solve the problem fast. Democracy begins to die when democratic institutions lose the people’s trust.

Alas, such talk finds a willing audience today, across the political spectrum. During Obama’s entire presidency, trust in government has bounced along rock bottom at less than 20 percent — unprecedented in the history of polling.

While in power, Democrats have done enormous damage. During Obama’s first two years, when they controlled Congress, and since then in the form of unilateral executive actions, the Democrats have verbally assailed the legitimacy of vital democratic institutions, including the Constitution, the police, corporations, and, of course, elections....

President Bush’s last words were “I believe I have upheld the honor of the presidency.” We could do worse than to ask God to bless the next president with a similar sense of humility and dignity, and a similar awe for the majesty of the democratic system, but it will be for naught if the American people aren’t thankful for it.

Supreme Dark Lord @voxday
One reason the people don't trust the institutions anymore is because commentators like you are constantly lying to them.

Mario Loyola @Mario_A_Loyola
Tell me Dark Lord, do you sit around at home all day defeating the enemy with these flaccid little one-liners? Wow

Supreme Dark Lord ‏@voxday
You can lie to people all you want, but no one is buying it anymore. The nation is dying and you're still virtue-signaling.

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74 Comments:

Blogger dc.sunsets August 19, 2016 11:35 AM  

When this Antebellum period ends, "virtue signaling" will obtain an entirely different meaning, and those still doing it the "old way" will probably suffer actual, physical reprisals for it.

Or they could just take the David Ruenzel approach. I'm good with that, too.

Anonymous BGKB August 19, 2016 11:41 AM  

Soros can give BLM $33million to burn down liquor stores and leftist media wont even mention it.

Blogger Rick August 19, 2016 11:47 AM  

Say majesty one more time...

Anonymous That Would Be Telling August 19, 2016 11:49 AM  

I go further, and believe that New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, by essentially eliminating the ability of most everyone but obscure scientists (heh) to sue for libel, destroyed an important feedback mechanism that helped keep the "Forth Estate" in check.

Short of starting to kill them off as they so richly deserve, we could start with restoring that mechanism and then destroying a few of them like was done to Gawker till they get the message....

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis August 19, 2016 11:51 AM  

Metallica is communicating that we're "so fucked".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBHL3v4d3I
Lyrics:
In the name of desperation
In the name of wretched pain
In the name of all creation
Gone insane

[Chorus]
We're so fucked
Shit outta luck
Hardwired to self-destruct
[Verse 2]
On the way to paranoia
On the crooked borderline
On the way to great destroyer
Doom design

[Chorus]
We're so fucked
Shit outta luck
Hardwired to self-destruct

[Verse 3]
Once upon a planet burning
Once upon a flame
Once upon a fear returning
All in vain
Do you feel that hope is fading?
Do you comprehend?
Do you feel it terminating?
In the end

[Chorus]
We're so fucked
Shit outta luck
Hardwired to self-destruct
Hardwired to self-destruct
Self-destruct
Self-destruct
Self-destruct

Blogger Lucas August 19, 2016 11:52 AM  

The media types really look at themselves as some sort of nobility, above us peasants.

The death of Gawker is a major victory for the Alt-Right.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 19, 2016 11:55 AM  

This gets my personal daily jackassery award:

It’s one thing to criticize politicians as crooked and mendacious, but quite another to say that our democratic institutions are themselves corrupt.

So don't notice the dictatorship behind the curtain. This isn't even virtue signaling, it's unmitigated propaganda to prop up a corrupt government. The subtext: you people shut up.

Blogger Chris Jackson August 19, 2016 11:59 AM  

Mario Loyola @Mario_A_Loyola
Tell me Dark Lord, do you sit around at home all day defeating the enemy with these flaccid little one-liners? Wow

Mario, apparently unaware that he's on Twitter doing exactly that.

Blogger Lazarus August 19, 2016 12:02 PM  

She said "flaccid". Isn't that sexist?

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist August 19, 2016 12:06 PM  

... but quite another to say that our democratic institutions are themselves corrupt. If that is true in any major respect, it is vital to solve the problem fast.

Tell me O sage, just how one accomplishes one without the other?

Anonymous tublecane August 19, 2016 12:07 PM  

Journalists take that "freedom of the press" thing way too seriously. For they are not the press. You don't need a special journalism badge to be the press, not really. Joe Citizen has freedom of speech, just like j-school graduates. But Joe Citizen also has freedom of the press, just like Journalism, Inc. You don't have to be Big Media to earn that protection. You could have been one guy with a printing press to make pamphlets in 1790, or one guy with a blog today.

Blogger Brian S August 19, 2016 12:10 PM  

Bellator Mortalis wrote:Metallica is communicating that we're "so fucked".

Still enjoy Puppets and Justice, the depth of the lyrics still hold truths applicable today, which is a little scary.

Listened to Disturbed's latest album after Vox linked on of their songs, and was pleased to hear some depth there too, considering I never paid them (or other modern metal bands) much attention

Anonymous A Visitor August 19, 2016 12:13 PM  

"Soros can give BLM $33million to burn down liquor stores and leftist media wont even mention it."

@2 Wait until people start shooting back, someone dies, and it gets picked up on the media. We'll never hear the end of how it's their right to do as they please.

Vox, I read the Goldberg article and was impressed. Mario, on the other hand, I could only skim through it before command-Wing out of the tab.

Blogger Whisker biscuit August 19, 2016 12:18 PM  

Good song

Anonymous tublecane August 19, 2016 12:31 PM  

The word "democracy" hasn't fallen into disrepute yet. But people couldn't have less reverence for "politics," "playing politics," etc. That's democracy. The progressive state has managed to rule us while wearing the carcass of democracy as a costume, and people like Loyola help them do it by blathering about the majesty of the democratic system.

Meanwhile, administrative law dwarfs congressional law. We have been in about a million little wars no one's ever heard of. No voter could have gotten rid of J. Edgar Hoover for the 80 or so years he ruled had he so desired. When the president fires a lawyer in the department he supposedly runs it's a scandal. Congress passes bills it hasn't written and couldn't possibly have read, not that it would given the opportunity. One of the top issues in every presidential election, and the one surefire way to marshal the base, is what type of judge they're going to nominate to SCOTUS. Those nine are clearly more powerful than any elected official. The unelected head of the Federal Reserve is our de facto economic president.

What democracy?

Blogger The Kurgan August 19, 2016 12:40 PM  

Metallica.
What defeatist, nihilistic fucks. Losers.

Blogger Sevron August 19, 2016 12:42 PM  

When has "democracy" not been in disrepute? It's a terrible system of governance, and one we were warned to avoid. Now we're neck-deep in it and about to be drowned.

Blogger owlish August 19, 2016 12:44 PM  

What weird mirror universe does Mario come from? "Majesty of the democratic system" has been shredded in (and only in) the past decade? Expansion of the federal government during the Great Depression came about because of the people? The Tea Party failed because of ideological purity tests in the mold of the French Revolution?

I have no clue what this guy is arguing for, or against, unless it's just #NeverTrump.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 19, 2016 12:49 PM  

The media types really look at themselves as some sort of nobility, above us peasants.

Well, a lot of them have been to J-School, so you can see why they would.

Blogger pyrrhus August 19, 2016 12:50 PM  

Mario shows all the signs of being just another Token at NRO. Can't think, writes like a high school kid...

Blogger S1AL August 19, 2016 12:55 PM  

"commit journalism"

Perfect.

Blogger bob k. mando August 19, 2016 1:00 PM  

9. Lazarus August 19, 2016 12:02 PM
She said "flaccid". Isn't that sexist?



women, especially feminist women, always attempt to humiliate men by calling them weak and saying they have tiny dicks.

they do this because they never hold themselves accountable to any standard of behavior, especially standards of behavior to which they hold everybody else:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/A_fighter_embattled.html

Blogger bob k. mando August 19, 2016 1:05 PM  

22. bob k. mando August 19, 2016 1:00 PM
9. Lazarus August 19, 2016 12:02 PM
She said "flaccid". Isn't that sexist?



eh, i should have caught this:
Mario is a man's name.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Mario+Loyola&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 19, 2016 1:09 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:women, especially feminist women, always attempt to humiliate men by calling them weak and saying they have tiny dicks.


Far be it for me to take a feminist at her word of accusing me of having a small dick, but I could easily point to where my children were if confronted in such a situation and reply:

"Yeah, but if that were the case, why do those children over there look just like me? I'd say everything's working just fine, lady."

You can either sit around and feel sorry for yourself, or you can get up and make the best with whatever you have.

Also, irony over at UniGawker this morning: one of the geniuses who's on short time thought it would be cute to repost the Thiel story that ultimately caused their demise.

Clearly, the irony is lost on those degenerates. The death watch continues...

Blogger ace August 19, 2016 1:13 PM  

Mario's attempt at a comeback is such a pretzel of instant hypocrisy.

Blogger bob k. mando August 19, 2016 1:16 PM  

more magic Negro showing White people how they're doing everything wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3bzXXKtrs

also, 'church' is pretty close phonetically to cuck.

Blogger S. Misanthrope August 19, 2016 1:18 PM  

"It’s one thing to criticize politicians as crooked and mendacious, but quite another to say that our democratic institutions are themselves corrupt."

After Obama was elected, I stopped referring to the man and started referring to the office, in order to emphasize the system over the particular individual. I often see the individual become something of a lightning rod that prevents people from questioning the mechanism that put the individual in power.

Also, I wish Vox spent all day tossing out one-liners on Twitter. They are so enjoyable.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 19, 2016 1:18 PM  

Journalists are supposed to be self policing? What about journo-list's? Can we expect the same pure as the driven snow hard biting objective journalism from them?

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 19, 2016 1:23 PM  

And then there is the shock when they are taken behind the chemical shed by the fascists that they so unquestioningly backed. "Journalists" are the frog with the scorpion of globalist Statist on their backs.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 19, 2016 1:23 PM  

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Anonymous Pennywise August 19, 2016 1:23 PM  

"Gawker was a successful news and gossip site founded by Nick Denton that often prided itself on being mean-spirited, prurient, and callous all in the name of attracting as many eyeballs as possible."

Replace "Gawker" with "Brietbart". I wonder if Goldberg the conservative realizes there clearly is no difference.

Anonymous DrTorch August 19, 2016 1:25 PM  

I know I'm banned, but here's an article explicitly claiming that technology drives science more than science drives technology.

Always gave VD credit for pushing that insight in contrast to the prevailing myth. Seems it's gaining traction.

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/saving-science

Blogger Markku August 19, 2016 1:25 PM  

I have no clue what this guy is arguing for, or against, unless it's just #NeverTrump.

It seems to me that he's not really arguing anything so much as trying to meet a contractual obligation to produce text. In the end it doesn't say anything at all, for or against Trump.

He's the political equivalent of Ron Manager

Anonymous liljoe August 19, 2016 1:30 PM  

@5
speaking of aging rock bands speaking prophetically to a certain Murrican demographic, look no further than "rock and roll damnation" where Mr Scott seems to be pleading with us from the grave to wake the f up

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 19, 2016 1:35 PM  

I've been hard on Jonah Goldberg of late

Whew. I'm really glad I re-read that sentence.

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 19, 2016 1:37 PM  

Can someone better explain to me why this really was a privacy issue and not a first amendment one? I have too many cuckservative friends concerned about Gawker and have no idea how to communicate what a beautiful thing it is that they are gone and the jurors found them liable.

Anonymous tublecane August 19, 2016 1:39 PM  

@32-Science--real, fundamental science--is driven by genius, not technology.

Blogger CM August 19, 2016 1:45 PM  

-- Whew. I'm really glad I re-read that sentence.--

See... not flaccid at all...

Blogger Markku August 19, 2016 1:50 PM  

From the New York Times article:

That was all before technology made it easy for a guy named Bubba the Love Sponge to invite his friend Hulk Hogan (real name, Terry Bollea) to have sex with the woman who was then his wife, and to record it so that it finds its way to a popular website, where it could be viewed by millions of visitors and instantly shared with millions more. The jurors believed Mr. Bollea’s testimony that he did not know he was being recorded, and that Gawker violated his privacy rights.

(...)

Then there was the decision by Deadspin, a Gawker-owned site, to show a random video in 2010 of an inebriated female college student having sex in a bathroom stall. At trial, Hulk Hogan’s lawyers presented emails of the woman’s desperate entreaties to take it down and Deadspin’s lighthearted refusal. “These things do pass,” the former Deadspin and Gawker editor, A. J. Daulerio, told her. “Keep your head up.” It did not play well with the jury, nor did his reason for later changing his mind: “It was possibly rape.”

Suddenly, it was not just the fabulously famous — Michael Jackson and John F. Kennedy Jr. — whose lives we were being invited to peer into; it was people just like us. At the same time, as social media made us stars of our own movies, people like us could increasingly relate to the perils of public exposure once known only by the famous.

Mr. Denton told me that this phenomenon played a part in the outcome of the trial. He pointed to a moment when a potential juror described being moved to ask a friend to remove an unflattering photo of her from a Facebook post. Social media, he said, made the jury pool “more sympathetic to the celebrity publicity machine,” which makes similar requests.

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It wasn't "speech" at all, it was purely Voyeurism. It was just plain recording someone having sex without his knowledge and then making the video public, and profiting from it. There is absolutely zero chance that this is what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 19, 2016 2:15 PM  

On a related note, one guy I follow on Google+ is a guy I knew well in HS, spent a lot of time on Battletech, etc., even of he was more a friend of a friend.

Nevertheless, this election cycle, I've been saddened to see him spending far more time shooting at Trump that Hillary. For a supposed libertarian, I get he's not happy with Trump, but the Cruzbot and the cuck is strong with this one.

He comes across like a petty little girl. "And the Trumpster fire burns, LOLOLOL", or more recently, pointing to an AP article on Yahoo that as he put it, vindicated Fields, and exposed how sleazy Breitbart was. He claims to know some of the people there and it's really that bad.

Of course, the article says the following:

"Fields resigned from Breitbart in March after she accused Lewandowski of roughly grabbing her arm and pulling her toward the ground at a campaign event at Trump’s golf club in Jupiter, Fla., on March 8. Fields said she was left with multiple bruises after the incident. "

There's even a picture of Fields at a conference discussing Sexism.

The difference between this- the serial "I was assaulted" ladies - claims, and what is clearly seen on video, are of course, staggering.

It's sad to see someone I deemed, if not a friend, as more than an acquaintance, fall down this pit of shooting at allies, and ignoring basic facts - the utter duplicity of Fields, the willingness of Cruz and our former Breitbart reporters to attack Trump from a leftist frame (listen and believe, Trump incites violence), white knighting for femenists, and so forth.

I know not too many years ago - five or ten, I may well have been in those very same shoes.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 19, 2016 2:47 PM  

Markku wrote:It wasn't "speech" at all, it was purely Voyeurism. It was just plain recording someone having sex without his knowledge and then making the video public, and profiting from it. There is absolutely zero chance that this is what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

Between this and Daulerio's rather misguided attempt at snark in the deposition (you know, the one where he stated that cp was appropriate to post in order to generate web traffic), it proves that these creatures are rather disgusting abominations. Not even worthy to be considered remotely human.

Obviously, it doesn't excuse Clem's or Bollea's behavior, either (since voyeurism and adultery are themselves rather reprehensible), but a lot of this could have been easily forgotten about if individuals such as Denton and Daulerio just ignored it.

Blogger Thordaddy August 19, 2016 2:57 PM  

When "we" say no more spiritual or intellectual creation myths for Liberalism, "we" are aiming at the (w)rite authors.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 19, 2016 3:00 PM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:I have too many cuckservative friends concerned about Gawker and have no idea how to communicate what a beautiful thing it is that they are gone and the jurors found them liable.

Maybe point out to them that libel law is the alternative introduced into the system to replace dueling. The alternative to this would be Peter Thiel simply shooting Nick Denton in the heart.
It is kinda weird that Thiel is more masculine than the ostensibly hetero Denton.

Anonymous S E Delenda August 19, 2016 3:23 PM  

illes Wullus of the group Reporters Without Borders told the BBC that the Gawker case poses a dire threat to press freedom. “Journalism ethics should be taken care of by journalists themselves,” he said. “In case they do not, we think that nobody else can do it in their place, neither states nor governments; especially not wealthy individuals.”"

There is a difference between freedom and impunity. They want impunity.

Anonymous paradox August 19, 2016 3:44 PM  

Goldberg's Liberal Fascism, meh... Tom Woods and Paul Gottfried debunk that book 0:31:25 mark.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 19, 2016 3:50 PM  

@43 Denton? Hetero? Muha ha ha ha ha

"On 16 January 2014, the New York Post reported, "Gawker Media founder Nick Denton is getting married to his partner of just over a year, actor Derrence Washington, on May 31 at the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History".

--Wikipedo

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 19, 2016 3:52 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:It is kinda weird that Thiel is more masculine than the ostensibly hetero Denton.

You do realize that Denton himself is queerer than a three dollar bill, yes?

Blogger GFR August 19, 2016 4:09 PM  

@31 Been seeing a lot of sex-tapes on Breitbart have you?

Blogger GFR August 19, 2016 4:09 PM  

@31 Been seeing a lot of sex-tapes on Breitbart have you?

OpenID aew51183 August 19, 2016 4:12 PM  

It seems @JYSexton is having a twitter meltdown over the alt-right. it's the most glorious case of Rule 2 i've seen in ages.

Blogger Tim August 19, 2016 4:17 PM  

The biggest reason people no longer trust the institutions is that they are not only no longer worthy of trust, they no longer bother to conceal the fact they are no longer worthy of trust.

Anonymous Daniel H August 19, 2016 4:37 PM  

The United States Supreme court is a thoroughly corrupted institution, and it has been for decades. It's not just the individual justices, it's the institution. Both the leftist SJW judges and the cucks attempt to achieve their agendas by voting a simple 5-4 majority. There is just the pretense that they are trying to decide according to law. Each political actor (judge), singularly and concert with his ideological affiliates knows damn well beforehand how he is going to vote an issue and then sends his numerous clerks to craft an artful explanation for why he voted so. This is the first institution that has to go in any reformation.

Blogger Noah B August 19, 2016 4:41 PM  

I believe I have upheld the honor of the presidency.

People don't trust institutions because they are hopelessly corrupt. Thanks to the release of the redacted portion of the 9/11 report we now know that Bush was well aware that his Saudi buddies funded the hajjikaze attacks. It is unreasonable to believe now that the Iraq war did not have misdirection of the American people as one of its primary goals.

And the media's reaction now that we know the truth? Silence.

Blogger JCclimber August 19, 2016 5:07 PM  

"reverence"?

I suspect this cuck has no idea what the word means. Must be a churchian.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 19, 2016 5:41 PM  

In today's WSJ I spy with my little eye that Gawker fragments like Jezebel, Gizmodo, etc. are all being swept up into Univision. Not Nick, and not the flagship Gawker site, though, they don't want that stuff. Too radioactive, I guess.

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 19, 2016 5:52 PM  

@Snidely Whiplash

Maybe point out to them that libel law is the alternative introduced into the system to replace dueling. The alternative to this would be Peter Thiel simply shooting Nick Denton in the heart.

Would the latter be too much to ask?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 19, 2016 6:24 PM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:You do realize that Denton himself is queerer than a three dollar bill, yes?
No, didn't know that. It certainly explains a LOT.

LastRedoubt wrote:The alternative to this would be Peter Thiel simply shooting Nick Denton in the heart.

Would the latter be too much to ask?


I'm afraid in the current environment, however much it would be a better solution for everybody, especially Gawker employees, it would be too much.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 19, 2016 6:36 PM  

Here's an online source re: Univision chomping parts of Gawker, Inc. but spitting out Gawker itself.

http://www.businessinsider.com/univision-wont-run-gawkercom-2016-8

Blogger Were-Puppy August 19, 2016 6:43 PM  

@36 Durandel Almiras
Can someone better explain to me why this really was a privacy issue and not a first amendment one? I have too many cuckservative friends concerned about Gawker and have no idea how to communicate what a beautiful thing it is that they are gone and the jurors found them liable.
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Google "Hogan Gawker" and poke around and you'll see what finally took them down.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 19, 2016 6:48 PM  

@40 LastRedoubt

You've described a True Believer Cruzlim.
There is nothing you can do for someone like that.
They can't, or won't, see reality.

Blogger Patrick Wilson August 19, 2016 7:27 PM  

Will the political elites never stop referring to our form of government as democracy? Maybe the gift of a dictionary, words mean things!

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 19, 2016 7:40 PM  

@60 Were-puppy

Yeah. That said, it's not even worth a sad laugh, and I'll be muting his input.

Blogger CarpeOro August 19, 2016 7:51 PM  

Gilles Wullus: an excellent example of why used car dealers are now considered more trustworthy than reporters or politicians.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 19, 2016 9:47 PM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:In today's WSJ I spy with my little eye that Gawker fragments like Jezebel, Gizmodo, etc. are all being swept up into Univision. Not Nick, and not the flagship Gawker site, though, they don't want that stuff. Too radioactive, I guess.

They made the announcement at 12:50 EDT yesterday on the soon-to-be shuttered Gawker main site. This was followed by a deliberate linking to a recent, yet ridiculed "This is what Gawker Media does" thread, as well as the original Thiel outing thread.

Out of the remaining sites, I can see Jalopnik and maybe Lifehacker making it through relatively unscathed. Deadspin might be adjusted with some of their sub-site riff raff (Burneko and the staff running Adequate Man, in particular). io9 and Gizmodo need to be separated and hosed off, but I don't see the current forms of either Kotaku or Jezebel making it through.

Personally, Jezebel needs to join Gawker proper on the scrap heap. That was the biggest takeaway in the comments on the shuttering announcement thread. Even the avowed "feminists" felt the Jezebel staff was completely antagonistic towards any sort of civil discourse.

Anonymous The OASF August 19, 2016 10:11 PM  

Of all the failures of the US Constitution, and they are legion, freedom of the press gets the number one entry. The so-called Free Press in the United States always was a joke and always will be. The presidential campaign coverage of the so-called mainstream media free press has essentially become a billion dollar Super PAC for Clinton. Indeed, it borders on the flat out farcical.

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 19, 2016 10:18 PM  

Also relevant today - Larry's latest post

http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/08/19/the-american-news-media-sucks/

Anonymous SciVo August 19, 2016 10:38 PM  

@ The OASF: Of all the failures of the US Constitution, and they are legion, freedom of the press gets the number one entry.

Only if you maka the mistake they want you to make, and confuse the press with the pros. The First Amendment was written to protect a printer from retaliation if he prints your outrageous political screed and an official gets upset. It literally protects your blog host's right to publish you, which is why you don't have to fill out gov't forms reporting your partisan blog posts as in-kind campaign contributions (though TPTB tried). It's working great.

Blogger residentMoron August 19, 2016 10:58 PM  

It's a matter of legal precedent* that the "freedom of the press" clause of the 1st Amendment is not a clause which establishes special protected status for some privileged class of "officially recognised" scribblers, but is merely a more explicitly defined sub-clause of the universal freedom of speech.

Nonetheless, successive governments and their intellectual hofjuden have constantly attempted to establish this fiction in the minds of the voting public. Most of the press have gone along with it because of the obvious advantage to themselves. That the lure comes with an obvious barb - any official recognition and concomitant privilege and protection is always subject to official withdrawal should the individual or organisation transgress certain political boundaries - is no dissuasion to those quisling presstitutes who never intend doing such a thing anyway.

(* "The liberty of the press is not confined to newspapers and periodicals. It necessarily embraces pamphlets and leaflets. These indeed have been historic weapons in the defense of liberty, as the pamphlets of Thomas Paine and others in our own history abundantly attest. The press, in its historic connotation, comprehends every sort of publication which affords a vehicle of information and opinion."
-- Hughes, CJ., Lovell v. City of Griffin, 303 U.S. 444 (1938) )

In other words, Blogger and Twitter and Facebook are legally protected venues for your freedom of speech, or would be, if your executive, congress, and judiciary were not traitors to the constitution and betrayers of their own oaths, collaborators with the fascist military industrial congressional complex that Eisenhower warned of so long ago.

Anonymous andon August 19, 2016 11:32 PM  

Mario Loyola @Mario_A_Loyola
Tell me Dark Lord, do you sit around at home all day defeating the enemy with these flaccid little one-liners? Wow


this guy does have a point though - we don't do anything except argue on the internet. Does anyone on here ever carry a sign, picket, demonstrate, march etc?

I never see the right doing any of that stuff now since the Tea Party is apparently over

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 20, 2016 2:08 AM  

Always great content gleaned from twitter. I'm not surprised but rather bristled at Mario's tone, I have less to zero reason to return reading NR.

Anonymous SciVo August 20, 2016 3:18 AM  

andon wrote:this guy does have a point though - we don't do anything except argue on the internet. Does anyone on here ever carry a sign, picket, demonstrate, march etc?

I never see the right doing any of that stuff now since the Tea Party is apparently over


No. Don't be silly. Whom would we ask to bestow their favor on us? Our inferiors?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 20, 2016 5:09 AM  

andon wrote:this guy does have a point though - we don't do anything except argue on the internet. Does anyone on here ever carry a sign, picket, demonstrate, march etc?
HAve you any evidence, any evidence at all, that picketing does a damn thing?
In the current environment, and by current I mean since the 1930s, all a protest is for is to generate media coverage. You'll see this with Leftie protests where a dozen unemployed professional protesters show up and the media use carefully staged photos and outright lies to make it look like a mass movement, and use the same techiniques to make a pro-life march or tea party rally look like a couple of dozen decrepit and illiterate rednecks who aren't even sure what they want.

In other words, the protest goes through the media filter. Why bother? We concentrate fire for effect, not for the look of it.

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 5:54 PM  

@ Snidely - I was thinking of picketing and getting the motorists involved. Maybe a large sign like "Did you say IMPEACH and DEPORT? HONK LOUDER!!!" and then holding the sign in front of the city hall or some similar govt building and then calling a local conservative radio show and asking if listeners would enjoy driving around the block a few hundred times while honking their horns as loud as possible to give the politicians a message.

Blogger Tim August 20, 2016 11:49 PM  

I follow @voxday but this exchange didn't appear in my timeline. Checking his timeline I see other tests I have missed. Is there something to this?

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