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Wednesday, August 24, 2016

The r/K perspective

Anonymous Conservative is dubious that the anti-Alt-Right campaign will have legs:
Now Hillary is calling attention to the most K-selected corner of the internet, at the very moment that the nation is increasingly turning K. Turning more people into Stefan Molyneux fans, or exposing more people to Castalia House Publishing, just as the nation is turning K, is not going to help Hillary. I think it a good sign that her persuasion specialists are so blinded by the rabbit-like psychology of the r-strategy that they are so completely out of touch with both the nation and reality.

Even better, it is a process that is accelerating. What they don’t realize is that as the nation’s rejection of them drives them more leftward, the psychologies of the nation are undergoing the natural shift toward K that was programmed in by nature. That is making the left vastly more repellant to everyone, the alt-right much more attractive, and leaves the left ever less able to understand the reality they need to understand to succeed. The political polarization created as the extreme left splits farther from the norm due to panic and the rest of the nation heads farther right on a K-shift, do not bode well for leftism’s ascent.

My guess is they will abandon this effort quickly, as soon as they realize that the nation has a large swath within it that will think this alt-right movement espouses a lot of commonsense things they find attractive, and the colorful personalities are very appealing. The alt-right hasn’t gotten this far for nothing.
Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Team Clinton was already rethinking the wisdom of this approach given the Alt-Right's gleeful reaction to the news that they'd be coming under media assault. After all, we all know how the anti-GamerGate campaign worked out for Gawker.

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188 Comments:

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 24, 2016 2:33 PM  

It's already too late. The fact that they even acknowledged the Alt-Right in the first place is a losing proposition. They were better off just ignoring the whole movement.

This is going to add steam, hopefully at an exponential rate.

Blogger Alexander August 24, 2016 2:34 PM  

There are a lot of white people who share similiar-if-not-exact views as the alt-right, but are not very political and what they do see in the media is a barrage that they are alone.

So they go on about their lives, annoyed at dindus and trannies when it crosses their paths but generally just getting on with things.

Now Hillary and the media want to blast LOTS OF PEOPLE ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

Talk about briarpatches.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 24, 2016 2:41 PM  

The older left has no reason to think a public denunciation won't work because it has so effectively in the past. Typically a soon as the left calls out a right wing group, the moderates in the group immediately apologize for existing, and throw out anyone who doesn't have enough decorum. It may take a couple of attempts before they learn it won't work with the Alt-Right.

The Cucks and NRO are already denouncing the Alt-Right, so the left probably feels they have momentum on their side in this.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 24, 2016 2:44 PM  

The American Left is absolutely amazing. In order to destroy the appeal of the Alt-Right Counter Narrative, it must first draw national attention to said narrative. And when this inevitably backfires, what next? A national Zero Fucks Given campaign to obscure the self-inflicted damage?

Blogger Student in Blue August 24, 2016 2:47 PM  

Is it even a media assault, when the media is a joke and a shadow of its former self?

It's as much of an assault, and as effective, as an old crippled man trying to pick a fight with a bear.

Anonymous ZhukovG August 24, 2016 2:52 PM  

Getting ethnic minorities excited about voting for an old white lady was a hopeless cause.

This is an attempt to instill fear, in order to keep the slaves in their chains.

Anonymous Elipe August 24, 2016 2:58 PM  

I can't wait to talk about this with my family, who is still pretty blue pilled on Hillary. They happen to be your garden variety "nice" (conflict-avoidant) Boomer folks. I've pointed out to them the criminal things Hillary has done, but they're grudgingly silent in response.

I imagine when they discuss the Alt Right, they're going to be scornful... until I tell them the truth, and that I'm part of the Alt Right. THAT should be fun watching their conflict avoidance programming conflict with their beliefs as fed to them by Hillary. Who to side with - their flesh and blood, or the woman who said flesh and blood has ingrained in their minds the idea that she might be a really nasty piece of work and is very unfit for office?

Persistence is victory.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 24, 2016 3:01 PM  

This is an attempt to instill fear

That's the only thing that makes sense. If Hillary is doing as well as the establishment insists and is going to win by a landslide and Trump is a screw-up who can't win, then why even give this speech? They're already portraying him as Hitler. Everybody already knows what a Nazi is and hates them. Proclaiming him as belonging to sccccarrrryyyyy political movement that most voters have never heard of is not only pointless, its confusing.

People hate it when you confuse them.

Anonymous Dan August 24, 2016 3:02 PM  

Trump's response should be simple: I have no idea what you are talking about. That is an honest answer. I can honestly say, I have no idea what she means, or which particular bogeyman she saw. She'll have to supply some URLs. The Internet is a scary place.

The alt-right has no center, no headquarters, no paid staff, no organization. Its just people with opinions. The alt-right mostly doesn't even call itself alt-right.

Blogger praetorian August 24, 2016 3:02 PM  

It's time to come out as alt-right, folks.

Anonymous Rh12 August 24, 2016 3:07 PM  

The AltRight has acted like no one but fellow AltRighters were listening. They have happily spouted purely racist, mysoginistic and homophobic rhetoric. This might play well with the AltRight, but it's going to play very badly with the other 99% of society.

Underestimating the most effective husband and wife political team of the past 100 years is just dumb.

Blogger Gaiseric August 24, 2016 3:08 PM  

This was Scott Adams' worst call so far. This and the "dark" threat.

Anonymous Rh12 August 24, 2016 3:10 PM  

"She'll have to supply some URLs. The Internet is a scary place."

And then she'll link to Brannon's Breitbart. And Trump will respond, "Uh, Oh!!

Anonymous Ivan Throne August 24, 2016 3:11 PM  

A very insightful analysis of the dreadful risk taken by Hillary's campaign with this speech is just posted here:

http://darktriadman.com/2016/08/24/alt-right-explosion/

The potential blowback for her campaign - and her entire ideology - is profound.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 24, 2016 3:14 PM  

@11 Nice try, but no. Go back to NRO Cucky.

Blogger Escoffier August 24, 2016 3:14 PM  

Rh12: I thik k you meant to say truthful, factual and realist, right?

Anonymous Darwin is a Harsh Mistress August 24, 2016 3:15 PM  

Olde Tymie wisdome:

"I don't care what you say about me in the papers. Just be sure to spell my name right!"

Blogger Robert Divinity August 24, 2016 3:17 PM  

It seems fairly obviously the Clintons are clueless about everything post-2000. She probably didn't think her bribery corruption scandal would be exposed, and certainly has no idea about the shit backlash about to pour over her criminal ass along with her cronies. I never thought Hillary was a dumb fuck until the last year or so.

Blogger Lovekraft August 24, 2016 3:18 PM  

After the cultural marxists burn down all the universities, libraries etc, and the smoke has cleared, we will be the ones rebuilding.

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 3:20 PM  


Ok guys we can stop trying to convince the HilLIARy people that read here that its a bad idea for her to mention us, they have fallen for it. Well that was close they almost called us racists and made all the moderates join Black Lies Matter, that would be the worse thing possible for us.

If Hillary is doing as well as the establishment insists and is going to win by a landslide and Trump is a screw-up who can't win, then why even

Their own kool aid is free for them to drink.

They have happily spouted purely racist, mysoginistic and homophobic rhetoric.

"Fuck all those faggots" Milo Yinnopalas
OT: Look at what are (((friends))) were up to https://www.rt.com/uk/356981-israeli-arms-falklands-war/
"Britain’s supposedly close ally, Israel, armed Argentina as the South American nation was bombing Royal Navy ships and killing UK troops in the vicious 1982 war to reclaim the Falkland Islands, secret files indicate"

Anonymous ZhukovG August 24, 2016 3:20 PM  

@ R(abbit)h12

That's not fear I smell is it?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 24, 2016 3:23 PM  

"Racist, sexist and homophobic", fuck off granny.

Blogger Lovekraft August 24, 2016 3:27 PM  

By now all major media is either controlled by multinational conglomerates, or in the hands of powerful forces. Thousands of potential leaks have been brutally suppressed over the years and right now, the leaders are in fear of being exposed. So they follow orders.

But the tipping point will come when people connect the dots. All the best from every movement can be the new standard.

Anonymous Elipe August 24, 2016 3:28 PM  

Their own kool aid is free for them to drink.

What a fantastically great and apt saying. I'm using that.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 24, 2016 3:29 PM  

Gaiseric wrote:This was Scott Adams' worst call so far. This and the "dark" threat.

I disagree. He specifically called out the caveat "unless something big happens, and it always does". I personally thought the "dark" threat was stupid, because it was both predictable and ill-informed.

His post today was extremely on point. The only real positive that she has brought is that the glass ceiling is gone for females to use as an excuse. Trump has made a sell for the LGBTQ community to become Republican. In terms of visuals, the latter is a hell of a lot more significant than the former in this case.

Anonymous Steve August 24, 2016 3:30 PM  

If Hillary is doing as well as the establishment insists and is going to win by a landslide and Trump is a screw-up who can't win, then why even give this speech?

Yeah, that's obviously bollocks.

They're already portraying him as Hitler. Everybody already knows what a Nazi is and hates them.

Calling him Hitler didn't work, so now they'll call him Pepe the Frog.

I dunno. A political attack works if it works, and the goal here is obviously to scare off the normies. But I reckon this isn't likely to be a profitable pursuit for the diaper-clad sociopath.

Trump's talking about jobs, security, and immigration while Cruella de Pends witters on about vast right wing conspiracies and Breitbart and pol?

Nah. That's not a winning move.

Blogger Whisker biscuit August 24, 2016 3:31 PM  

Rush mentioned the "Alt-Right" today.

Congrats! You're big time!

Blogger Anchorman August 24, 2016 3:31 PM  

I said it before, but I think this is really about getting the vote-getters/makers in the black community to get on board with Team Hillary before October.

Hillary has no natural voter enthusiasm, so she will look to create a sense of urgency through fear. Fear of the dreaded “alt-Right.” It won’t matter what’s printed, posted, or explained. She and her lackeys will snip, edit, and lie to paint the alt-Right as KKK reborn just to scare the middle management of the black vote.

Will it work? I’d love to say, “No,” but the Dems have the blacks bamboozled. When you have a demo voting 90% one way, you’ve sunk into their DNA. So, this will inspire the middle management types that organize “get out the vote” campaigns in black neighborhoods.

Whether Trump or others can capitalize is another thing.

However, Hillary is in autopilot mode. She figures she can just run out the clock, whip up some last minute fear, and get the votes needed.

Anonymous Steve August 24, 2016 3:33 PM  

BTW, I'm loving Rh12's Clinton fanfic. Way more entertaining than CAT PICTURES, PLEASE

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 24, 2016 3:33 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:But the tipping point will come when people connect the dots. All the best from every movement can be the new standard.

That first part has the potential to happen tomorrow. At best (for her), she only starts the connection, but I see her making the full connection because she feels it's necessary.

And it's going to be hilarious when the blowback ensues within the first three hours following that speech. They really should have left well enough alone.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 24, 2016 3:38 PM  

Steve wrote:Trump's talking about jobs, security, and immigration while Cruella de Pends witters on about vast right wing conspiracies and Breitbart and pol?

Nah. That's not a winning move.


Love the "Cruella de Pends". Very apropos.

We can already see the wheels are starting to come off her machine. If the national tracking polls are starting to tighten now outside of nothing other than general disdain for the entire process (which we were even advised here to ignore at present, since they were clearly being used to create a narrative), who the hell thought it would be a good idea to openly embolden the group of people that she absolutely does not want to be active in this process? The reaction she's expecting isn't going to show up because, dammit, most of us know better.

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 3:38 PM  

The only real positive that she has brought is that the glass ceiling is gone for females to use as an excuse

There has been 5 women who have run for president since 1972. How many white women notice the glass ceiling got replaced by the die verse city ceiling? If you are going to have an unqualified seat filler you might as well have one that checks off more boxes.

Their own kool aid is free for them to drink...What a fantastically great and apt saying. I'm using that.

I couldn't figure out where to put the ((())), more than one spoils the sentence.

Anonymous #8601 August 24, 2016 3:39 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised if Team Clinton was already rethinking the wisdom of this approach

It's unlikely that Hillary will be feeling well enough to give a speech tomorrow anyway.

Blogger Joe Katzman August 24, 2016 3:45 PM  

"Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Team Clinton was already rethinking the wisdom of this approach given the Alt-Right's gleeful reaction to the news that they'd be coming under media assault. After all, we all know how the anti-GamerGate campaign worked out for Gawker."

Uh huh. Because Hillary routinely looks ahead to future consequences, and lets that sway her from a course that she thinks might give her a marginal advantage somewhere. Let's restate this, in a different context:

"Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if my lush brother was already rethinking the wisdom of this approach, given his lack of control at Christmas when he got into my prized Thomas Handy bourbon. After all, we all know how his last binge worked for him."

Yeah. Not expecting a course change.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 24, 2016 3:48 PM  

Trump's talking about jobs, security, and immigration while Cruella de Pends witters on about vast right wing conspiracies and Breitbart and pol?


...and picks a meme-based fight with the likes of 4chan...

What could possibly go wrong with that?

Blogger praetorian August 24, 2016 3:51 PM  

And then she'll link to Brannon's Breitbart. And Trump will respond, "Uh, Oh!!

> Breitbart
> edgy

kek

Anonymous Roundtine August 24, 2016 3:52 PM  

Don't underestimate the stupidity of the public and power of the unified media attack. She doesn't need to defeat the alt-right, all she cares about is winning the presidency. A lot of stupid whites who will be alt-right by March 2017 may nonetheless vote for Hillary in 2016.

Blogger doofus August 24, 2016 3:54 PM  

What is a good primer for the r/K theory? I read the Wikipedia article, but it seems that the biological version is not completely what we are speaking about here. Has it been adapted for psychology or something?

David

Blogger Chris Jackson August 24, 2016 3:57 PM  

I got a pretty decent understanding of it by listening to Stefan Molyneux discuss it. He's recently had chats with Bill Whittle about the matter as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU&list=PLMNj_r5bccUw40CpD-JYXJyVsDYsj7ITD

Blogger Orville August 24, 2016 3:57 PM  

conflict-avoidant is not an alt-right trait.

Anonymous Bob August 24, 2016 4:02 PM  

They learned pretty quick to turn the spotlight away from Rep. Stephen King ...

Blogger beerme August 24, 2016 4:04 PM  

I'm going under the assumption that Trump's new Breitbart(BB) employees will be part of what they use to try to tie him to the alt right along with Trump's love for the alt right's dank memes on Twitter. Milo's "An Establishment Conservative’s Guide To The Alt-Right" is the first thing that comes up on a search for alt right on BB for those intellectually curious enough to read more from the primary source being attacked.

Signal boosting Milo... sounds like a brilliant plan by Team Hillary.

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 24, 2016 4:04 PM  

If they wanna meme-fight on our turf, in our meme cover, bring it.

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 24, 2016 4:05 PM  

Chris Jackson wrote:I got a pretty decent understanding of it by listening to Stefan Molyneux discuss it. He's recently had chats with Bill Whittle about the matter as well.

Whittle's a good resource. He gets the cultural aspect of things better than a lot of cucks out there. Kind of disappointing that both he and Stone are no longer associated with PJ Media. That was a good outlet for the both of them.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 24, 2016 4:09 PM  

@11: "Underestimating the most effective husband and wife political team of the past 100 years is just dumb."

Most effective at what? Influence peddling? Pay for play? Overstaying their welcome? Avoiding prosecution until it's too late?

Many donors to Clinton Foundation met with her at State
By STEPHEN BRAUN and EILEEN SULLIVAN
Aug 23, 2:35 PM EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) -- More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money - either personally or through companies or groups - to the Clinton Foundation. It's an extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president.

At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. At least 40 donated more than $100,000 each, and 20 gave more than $1 million.


Blogger Matamoros August 24, 2016 4:18 PM  

The blacks aren't intelligent enough to be informed voters. They are political consumers - whoever offers them the most for their votes and panders to their ineptitude gets their votes.

Blogger Doom August 24, 2016 4:19 PM  

You and he assume that they are able to reconsider. I do not think they work on the level of logic, tactics, or application. Memes, ideals not associated with evidence, feelings... they are blind to causation, relation, affects. As a deer in a trap, if it can't flee it may well accelerate it's heartbeat until it dies.

They are herd animals, and the herd they are with is going left. They lead from behind (follow the herd). I don't think they can change tack. Especially not this herd, led both by a woman and a woman who is... ill... to say the least. That she has dropped out of the race in most ways is more of a sign that she can't change tack than that she is about to. She has nowhere left to run, so she hides. I presume, refusing the change of direction, or simply not even seeing that option, leaving hiding as the only option.

I know there are many who would toss me out, even of here. I honestly think many here still think not only that we can, but that we will, all just get along. They think I am crazy, if they also seem to think Vox is joking. Ah, what a kidder. It's coming, one way or another. The thing is, I don't really want to be a part of it. I will only clear my path, I won't help those who even now betray their own. I just notice what is coming, celebrate it in one sense, hope for it even, but rue the way it will go so overboard before settling down. I just hope it wins quickly and settle back to reason before... going too far for too long.

OpenID countenance August 24, 2016 4:20 PM  

I know her speech isn't until tomorrow, but we know she's going to do it, we know the approximate content. Therefore, I'm surprised there isn't already a whole lot of media and social network buzz about it. Why isn't #AltRight trending on the Tweeter?

Anonymous Wyrd August 24, 2016 4:22 PM  

What is a good primer for the r/K theory?

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/

His book on the subject is worth reading.

Blogger jas On August 24, 2016 4:26 PM  

I do hope trump wins, if for nothing else that hopefully there will be a policy change and I won't be fired for simply stating facts and truths at work. The more people exposed to our ideals/ideas (?) The better.

OpenID countenance August 24, 2016 4:27 PM  

@11 Are you talking about that great husband-wife political team that easily beat back the Obama threat in 2008?

Blogger Bard August 24, 2016 4:28 PM  

There are not enough barbells to stop the Alt Right

Blogger CarpeOro August 24, 2016 4:29 PM  

I have to disagree with the idea that Hillary and company will abandon their leftward drift. Just as the scorpion stung the frog, it is in their nature. Sort of pointing to your rule about SJWs always doubling down.

Blogger GFR August 24, 2016 4:31 PM  

I get the feeling that there is a paradigm shift going on that even the Alt-right doesn't completely understand yet. I certainly don't.
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The left has relied on controlling the narrative by suppressing alternative points of view for decades now - obviously they can't do that anymore.
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But does this necessarily mean that we are winning, or will win? "A lie is halfway around the world before the truth has got it's boots on". They have the advantage in that they are willing to lie without compunction while we won't.
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The American people have been indoctrinated with nonsense for fifty years - they can probably be moved back towards Conservative principles over time, but it might take a while.
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Fortunately the left seems to be going crazier and crazier which is helping our cause.
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Perhaps the factor that is being overlooked is that a significant number of democrats - particularly the young - still believe that they are the good guys. Sanders was nuts but he appeared to be honest - that's why he did so well against hillary who was perceived as "crooked" even on the left.
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The only thing keeping those people in the democrat camp is the perception that Trump is Hitler.
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There are a lot of democrat blue collar workers who are voting for Trump - perhaps these are the people who could spearhead outreach to the young lefties?
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I am reminded of the run up to the BREXIT referendum where Bob Geldof took a bunch of hippies out on the Thames in his yacht and made fun of British fisherman who had sailed their fishing boats up the river to protest new EU regulations.
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A lot of the young hippies ON THE BOAT started tweeting that they were disgusted by Geldof because they sympathized with the fishermen.

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 4:35 PM  

Merkel says Germans are not dying fast enough to please darth Soros

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/whoa-germany-considers-re-starting-the-draft-in-case-natos-borders-need-to-be-defended_082016

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 24, 2016 4:41 PM  

The left is actively walking into traps now. We just need to slam the doors shut on them.

Yesterday, I heard a typical liberal get pressed on letting in Syrian Refugees into the country even though we have been warned that they will bring terrorism with them. She said she was willing to risk it because "That picture of the drowned child tugged on all of our heart strings".

The opportunity was missed to say "all those children ran over in Niece and shot at the Mcdonald's in Germany tugged on my heart strings. Would you trade your children for their children?

Anonymous CanadianWayceest August 24, 2016 4:42 PM  

Of course it could also be a massive troll in order to dishearten the alt-right community. We'll see tomorrow, but if it's a troll, I'll give Clinton's team a point for not being totally out of touch..

Anonymous A Visitor August 24, 2016 4:47 PM  

OT: I'm alive.

Storm that produced a tornado just rolled through here. At one point, looked like it might hit my area. It decided to spawn and touch down in Warren Park and Lawrence (autonomous areas of Indy).

I think there's damage north of me but am not sure.

Blogger GFR August 24, 2016 4:49 PM  

@58 Congratulations !
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Being alive is good..

Anonymous Elipe August 24, 2016 4:49 PM  

The left is actively turning into traps now.

Fixed that for you. That will make our work that much easier.

Blogger GFR August 24, 2016 4:49 PM  

@58 Congratulations !
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Being alive is good..

Blogger Gaiseric August 24, 2016 4:55 PM  

SemiSpook37 wrote:Gaiseric wrote:This was Scott Adams' worst call so far. This and the "dark" threat.

I disagree. He specifically called out the caveat "unless something big happens, and it always does". I personally thought the "dark" threat was stupid, because it was both predictable and ill-informed.

His post today was extremely on point. The only real positive that she has brought is that the glass ceiling is gone for females to use as an excuse. Trump has made a sell for the LGBTQ community to become Republican. In terms of visuals, the latter is a hell of a lot more significant than the former in this case.

I dunno. I thought it was a whole bunch of "who cares?" Adams was certainly ahead of the curve in recognizing the appeal of what we often call weaponized rhetoric around here, especially when appealing to those who literally can't comprehend dialectic. But his Overton Window is still somewhere far to the left of reality.

Anonymous A Visitor August 24, 2016 5:04 PM  

@61

Thanks! Another one is inbound, rotation indicated on radar already. Hitting where I used to live as I speak...

Blogger lowercaseb August 24, 2016 5:07 PM  

Steve wrote:BTW, I'm loving Rh12's Clinton fanfic. Way more entertaining than CAT PICTURES, PLEASE

Needs more raptor schlong...

Anonymous Flavia Geminia August 24, 2016 5:19 PM  

If she really gives an anti-alt right speech it shines a light on forbidden ideas.

It will give alt-right a dark, mysterious cache. People will read to see what all the hubbub is about. Some will open their eyes.

Blogger Fatherless August 24, 2016 5:26 PM  

Maybe a bunch of "alt right" sites will spring up now to poison the well somehow.

Anonymous Flavia Gemina August 24, 2016 5:38 PM  

@Rh12

I think post modernism has pushed society to were almost nothing is too extreme.

The birth of a nation rape story has taken the wheels off feminism so who are the left to call the right misogynistic? BLM openly calls for attacks on whites. How can they call righ racist? The left supports Islam with a death sentannce for gays. How can the left call Christians homophobes .

Anonymous andon August 24, 2016 5:47 PM  

56. OpenID basementhomebrewer August 24, 2016 4:41 PM

Yesterday, I heard a typical liberal get pressed on letting in Syrian Refugees into the country even though we have been warned that they will bring terrorism with them. She said she was willing to risk it because........."That picture of the drowned child tugged on all of our heart strings".


if you say something like that in school, you get a pat on the head

Blogger Guy Fox August 24, 2016 5:57 PM  

"They have happily spouted purely racist, mysoginistic and homophobic rhetoric."

You say racist, mysoginistic and homophobic like they are bad things; I don't get it

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 24, 2016 6:21 PM  

I hope Hillary Rodan Clinton chooses to make that speech. The next best thing would be her vs. Milo or the alt-Right YouTuber of our choice in a no-holds barred debate in the Thunderdome.

In fact, Thunderdome would make a most excellent set for any Presidential debates between Rodan and Trump.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 24, 2016 6:26 PM  

My response to Heil Hillary is over at Chateau right now, funny as hell

Separation now separation forever

Blogger pyrrhus August 24, 2016 6:35 PM  

There's an old saying about publicity--"I don't care what you say about me, as long as you spell my name right..."

Blogger pyrrhus August 24, 2016 6:40 PM  

"The only thing keeping those people in the democrat camp is the perception that Trump is Hitler."
As the father of older millennials, who are pretty familiar with history, I have to say that this "Hitler" thing means absolutely nothing to them....no connection to present reality at all...

Blogger Achilles August 24, 2016 6:41 PM  

I thought it was obvious the Clinton team was trying to get Trump to disavow the alt-right with this speech. They hope a Trump disavowal will draw their ire or at least hamper the get out the vote energy. The Left is terrified of the alt-right because they are winning.

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 24, 2016 6:45 PM  

@66

You may be right. I've seen some users by the name CEO Nikolic and Nikolai, both with wordpress sites, commenting lately on other alt-right sites. Their comments did not read right. They weren't concern trolls, but they felt mechanical and empty...

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 24, 2016 6:50 PM  

I confess I'm quite curious about Hillary's speech tonight.

Hillary Rodham started out as a Goldwater Girl. Worked for Gerald Ford when he was Republican House Leader. And went to the 1968 GOP convention to work for Nelson Rockefeller.

By 1972 she had switched teams. I suspect it came down to her ambition combined with her abrasive personality in addition to her low sexual market value. Ugly, ambitious birds of a feather flock together, those were all Women's Libbers by 1972.

But here is the thing, I think it's possible that she can understand the Alt Right on an instinctive in a way that someone like Obama never could.

Barrack Obama was always a Red Diaper Baby, on no level at all is he capable of getting us.

But Hillary on the other hand...probably had Huma write the speech for her, so just forget it.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 24, 2016 6:59 PM  

But here is the thing, I think it's possible that she can understand the Alt Right on an instinctive in a way that someone like Obama never could.

That all Depends on just what meds she's currently taking, doesn't it? Her ability to reason is almost certainly not what it was 40+ years ago.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 24, 2016 7:09 PM  

Aware Mil'lens, aware genx and awakened boomers are not going to let a HillBill fly because we dont want a repeat of the ruined 1990's - I never say "Oh a politician ruined my life, or even look to politics for policy or salvation but damn it, they harmed my parents, harmed my life and harmed the middle class into a state of bereftness."

I withdraw any consent from the establishment morons and support the alt-right-crtl- men whom want a future!!

Please accept my gratitude to those who speak for me whom has no voice left.

We must not forget Wendy, this fine lady has not only got it but all this is just a stepping stone for something greater!!! https://www.facebook.com/rockcountywendy/info?tab=page_info

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 24, 2016 7:12 PM  

Totally, completely, OT.

I'm reading The Three Body Problem in a lingering fashion, like sipping a fine adult beverage, because it's that good.

The announcement pops up that Proxima Centauri has a rocky Earth-mass planet in the "water zone".

Now I need a real drink.

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 7:23 PM  

"That picture of the drowned child tugged on all of our heart strings"

Everyone knows that picture was fake right? No cyanosis of the fingers, hair resisted waves and gravity like he dunked his hair in and slicked it back, no one washes ashore feet away from the water with perfectly straightened cloths, especially not since the story was his mommy was in the water long enough to bloat.

OT: Fucking ((())) Epipen price increased to 7x its 2007 price. Used for severe allergic reactions. Hell I didn't even know about this, 2 competitors forced out of market. I was just thinking about getting new ones for my car kit to use for other people. Epinephrine is old medicine it should be cheap, most people don't pay full price for meds.
http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/the-lack-of-epipen-competitors-is-the-fdas-fault
And the CEO of the company is the daughter of Democrat Senator Joe Manchin.


Anonymous VFM #7916 August 24, 2016 7:28 PM  

@80

You're missing the best part. She lobbied for requiring all schools to stock a supply of epipens.

Guess who was making bank after that law passed...

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 24, 2016 7:31 PM  

70 I agree its just I doubt HRC can keep it together, review Mike Cerno and Stefans into Roger Stone and Stefan talking about HIllBill problems via Stefan M daily talks.

Today at the gym the mil'len associate the Clints with being junkies or too sick to run for dog finder.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 24, 2016 7:34 PM  

80 Always enjoy your commentary, yes, the epi pens are a hot topic in WV when we or many are being turned into pain clinics - even there its awful care. WV is punished for allowing open carry and conceal with or without a permit, we are told the police cannot protect us, we are stuck but deeply harmed in the healthcare avenues.

Blogger praetorian August 24, 2016 7:35 PM  

Fucking ((())) Epipen price increased to 7x its 2007 price. Used for severe allergic reactions. Hell I didn't even know about this, 2 competitors forced out of market.

Just the market adjusting to reflect new, un-coerced societal preferences, goy.

Read my short story about making a pencil, goy.

Why do you hate freedom, goy?

Blogger James Oswald August 24, 2016 7:50 PM  

'turning K'...but the 'r' strategy...but...turning 'k'. Can you even hear yourself?

Anonymous SciVo August 24, 2016 7:52 PM  

I would never ever count out Dr. Robert Cialdini, the Godzilla whose book Influence gave so many rhetoricians better science.

SemiSpook37 wrote:This is going to add steam, hopefully at an exponential rate.

I haven't decided if I'm going to ghost or go for broke.

Rh12 wrote:Underestimating the most effective husband and wife political team of the past 100 years is just dumb.

[/facepalm] You know she lost last time, right?

Anonymous SciVo August 24, 2016 8:00 PM  

praetorian wrote:It's time to come out as alt-right, folks.

My friends already know better than to call me racist, since I'll literally just handwave it. "Sure, whatever." I don't think "alt-right" would mean anything to them.

Anonymous MawBTS August 24, 2016 8:02 PM  

I'm just not sold that r/K usefully explains anything in American society. It just doesn't predict anything at all.

- self described conservatives have more children that self described liberals
- the most fertile demographic in america is red tribe religious groups like the Amish and the Mennonites
- Catholics vote democrat yet oppose contraception

etc

r/K is a theory that applies to species of animals. What are we supposed to learn when retrofitting it as a social psychology concept?

Blogger Mr. Bee August 24, 2016 8:03 PM  

Or...... become the "extremist right", anti-fascist punching bag boogey man that the similar parties are in Europe.

Anonymous Angrifff August 24, 2016 8:16 PM  

MawBTS wrote:I'm just not sold that r/K usefully explains anything in American society. It just doesn't predict anything at all.

- self described conservatives have more children that self described liberals

- the most fertile demographic in america is red tribe religious groups like the Amish and the Mennonites

- Catholics vote democrat yet oppose contraception

etc

r/K is a theory that applies to species of animals. What are we supposed to learn when retrofitting it as a social psychology concept?


I find that R/K teaches us a lot about the different reproductive strategies of blacks vs whites (and asians). I think trying to tie it to political ideologies is a bridge too far.

Blogger JCclimber August 24, 2016 8:24 PM  

For over a year now, I've been dropping alt-right rhetoric into conversations with family and friends who were blue-pill. Didn't try to convince them and win them over in one or even 10 conversations.

But now they are commenting to me about how much better Trump would be than the other Republican candidates, and even edging around topics that are very explosive in the ultra-progressive San Francisco Bay Area.

While I am certain that Trump cannot save America nor make it great again, it will possible lessen the blood shed and damage of the coming diversity wars.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 24, 2016 8:25 PM  

MawBTS wrote:I'm just not sold that r/K usefully explains anything in American society. It just doesn't predict anything at all.
- self described conservatives have more children that self described liberals
- the most fertile demographic in america is red tribe religious groups like the Amish and the Mennonites

you mistake fertility in the age of contraception and abortion with rabbit-like behavior.
Which group is most like to randomly bang strangers?
Which group is more like to indulge in perverse, fetishistic and other mentally ill sexual behaviors?
Which group is more like to abandon their family and take up a new one on little to no prompting? These are /r behaviors, not procreation per se. It's merely that in animals, the two are equivalent.


- Catholics vote democrat yet oppose contraception

Nominally, yes. In reality, no

r/K is a theory that applies to species of animals. What are we supposed to learn when retrofitting it as a social psychology concept?
Because people are not in any way animals, and never exhibit animal-like behavior, especially when it comes to sexual activity.
Gotcha. Glad you cleared that up for us.

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 8:26 PM  

You're missing the best part. She lobbied for requiring all schools to stock a supply of epipens.

I am pretty sure all school nurses have had epipens, or at least standing orders to use epinephrine in a normal syringe.

You used to be able to buy over the counter epinephrine Primatene mist nasal spray, but it got (((pushed))) off the market. FDA banned the manufacture of Primatene Mist as of December 31, 2011 (due to the CFC propellant and concerns about the ozone layer) asthmatics were left with no OTC alternative to prescription rescue inhalers.

Since I have NoKnownAllergies I don't think I shelling out that much for other potential people for one dose. I will either use expired, will have to look up on the military extended expired meds list. http://www.astho.org/Programs/Preparedness/Public-Health-Emergency-Law/Emergency-Use-Authorization-Toolkit/Federal-Shelf-Life-Extension-Program-Fact-Sheet/

Or got with Over The Counter:
"Asthmanefrin, contains 11.25 mg of racepinephrine per 0.5 ml vial, in a solution equivalent to 1% epinephrine. Epinephrine is the same medication contained in the Epi-Pen, the well-known injection for bee sting and other allergic reactions. Although inhaled epinephrine is most active in the airways, some of it enters the bloodstream, which delivers it to the rest of the body, hence its ability to raise blood pressure, accelerate the heart rate, and relieve the vascular-related swelling common to hives and allergic reactions.
These potential benefits are also sometimes considered side-effects, which may be dangerous to patients with heart disease, hyperthyroidism, high blood pressure, tremor, and other nervous conditions. Doctors don’t like over-the-counter epinephrine products due to 1) the potential harm they may cause in susceptible individuals, and 2) the potential delay they may cause in seeking needed professional care. However, in a young, otherwise healthy population epinephrine is generally safe.

The product insert includes dosing recommendations for adults and children down to the age of 4 years old. For adults, one 0.5 ml vial of solution is placed in the EZ Breathe Atomizer, with a recommendation of not more than 12 inhalations in 24 hours. By comparison, Primatene Mist inhaler delivers 0.22 mg of epinephrine per inhalation, also with a limit of 12 inhalations per day.

The Starter Kit contains 10 vials plus one Atomizer and costs approximately $50, with the 30-vial Refill Kit priced at about $25"

I miss when healthcare spending accounts could be used for hot tubs and air conditioners. You didn't even used to need prescriptions for bee sting kits.

Blogger JCclimber August 24, 2016 8:27 PM  

Scivo,
I also expect that Hillary's new adviser will be helping her and her vast media confederates twist the truth to put the alt-right into the worst possibly light, while simultaneously killing any curiousity that most people would have....
but a few thousand more will take the red-pill.

Anonymous Be Not Afraid August 24, 2016 9:04 PM  

Wondering if Google/Apple/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit will use Hillary's speech as the pretext to take down all the alt right sites as hatey haters. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 24, 2016 9:21 PM  

@7 Elipe
I imagine when they discuss the Alt Right, they're going to be scornful... until I tell them the truth, and that I'm part of the Alt Right.
---

Cat's already out of the bag with me. I told that to one of my Dem relatives, back when nobody knew what it meant. Guess that means I'm all in now :P

Blogger Stilicho August 24, 2016 9:36 PM  

Just heard that Trump did a 180 on immigration on Hannity show while crowd booed. Any Ilk see it?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 24, 2016 9:39 PM  

@28 Anchorman

She and her lackeys will snip, edit, and lie to paint the alt-Right as KKK reborn just to scare the middle management of the black vote.
---

Then I'll have to find that photo of the black Klan guys and spread it around again

Blogger Frank August 24, 2016 9:47 PM  

Kek. They didn't learn their lesson from Trump. This is what happens when you fail to grasp what anti-fragile means.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 9:47 PM  

Just heard that Trump did a 180 on immigration on Hannity show while crowd booed. Any Ilk see it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 9:48 PM  

Just heard that Trump did a 180 on immigration on Hannity show while crowd booed. Any Ilk see it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 9:49 PM  

95. This might explain it https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/08/24/a-positive-perspective-on-trumps-immigration-policy-shift/#more-120608

On O’Reilly BO tried to paint him as supporting rounding up illegal immigrants and placing them in detention centers. Trump called him on it. He never said that. On Hannity last night he said that he doesn’t want to cause anyone personal pain in reference to illegal immigrants who have families here.

In both of those interviews, there has been one constant. The support for current immigration laws. What you are seeing is the removal of the narrative that Trump is the evil villain sitting high upon his golden Trump Tower looking down upon the poor illegal immigrant with racist eyes and plotting evil against them. This is also exemplified in his “humble Trump” speech and his outreach to the black community. All three of these things humanize Trump and remove the ability to demonize him...
I believe that the campaign has made this choice to change the vernacular. No longer is it about deportation even though deportations will happen. It is about enforcing what others deemed was proper immigration law. If they do not like deportations, then talk to those that made the law. What they will not be able to do is claim this is Trump’s idea. Just like they are no longer able to claim that Trump does not care about Americans of African descent. It forces a different narrative. And that is what KC and Stephen Bannon were hired to do.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 9:50 PM  

https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/768580748060332032

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 9:51 PM  

Seriously 98 99 (((Josh)))

Blogger Were-Puppy August 24, 2016 9:53 PM  

@56 basementhomebrewer

Yesterday, I heard a typical liberal get pressed on letting in Syrian Refugees into the country even though we have been warned that they will bring terrorism with them. She said she was willing to risk it because "That picture of the drowned child tugged on all of our heart strings".
---

That one's easy - simply reply "The Anchor Baby??"

Blogger Thucydides August 24, 2016 9:55 PM  

Sadly, while what is being suggested may be true, the timeline is far longer than between now and November. There is a huge population which is simply attracted to the lure of living off someone else's resources. There is the crony class of politicians, bureaucrats and cry capitalists who have rigged the system in their favour, and will fight to the last taxpayer to maintain their position and privilege. And of course, the criminal behaviour of the Democrats, with Clinton at the helm, will simply continue to increase. How the Alt Right makes inroads in the population is one thing (although the tight hold the current establishment has on the media, academia and other communication channels means the message of the alt right will be distorted or smothered by any means possible), how the Alt Right makes social and political changes in this environment is another thing altogether.

More to ponder, although I suspect the current structures that the establishment has created to gain and maintain their position is quite brittle, and may not even withstand mass civil disobedience (everyone downs tools and simply refuses to work, recognize the credentials from universities, pay taxes or pay attention to the rules and regulations the *elites* try to enforce on the rest of us). The system will rapidly overload and fail once the numbers of people refusing to conform reaches some critical mass (several million at least in the United States).

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 9:56 PM  

Seriously 98 99 (((Josh)))

Trump's position on immigration is now the same as Jeb (please clap) and Marco.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 24, 2016 9:57 PM  

Would you Hildebeast trolls get it straight?

It's ‘Megalomaniacal, Misogynist, Racist, Islamophobic, Ableist, Transphobic Hellhound’

Anonymous BGKB August 24, 2016 9:58 PM  

Seriously (((Josh))) if you look at the twitter response to it you will see the real transcript and the tweeted non transcript was fake. http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2016/08/23/trump-on-deportation-stance-want-to-follow-laws/


Penny ‏@pljusa · 2h2 hours ago

@Phil_Mattingly I'm not a #trump fan, but this is inaccurate: Townhall transcript: http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/2016/08/23/trump-on-deportation-stance-want-to-follow-laws/ … Search citizenship & love. Wrong!

Please don't suck more cock than me tonight, it just isn't right.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 10:03 PM  

8/23 != 8/24

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 24, 2016 10:06 PM  

SciVo wrote:I haven't decided if I'm going to ghost or go for broke.

Hence why I said "hopefully". This isn't 1995, and she's not talking about Whitewater. The main point of my argument is that if she just ignored the movement all together, she'd be in a better position. Not only do I think she's throwing gasoline on a smoldering ember, she's about to open a huge set of floodgates that she is completely underestimating. This is not like the usual "right" as it has been perceived over the past 50 years. This is different and unlike anything these goons have experienced.

They're walking into a hornets' nest, and they are woefully unprepared for the after effects.

Anonymous Roundtine August 24, 2016 10:20 PM  

It was always a risk that Trump would turn pro-amnesty, but there was no other option. At least he has destroyed the opposition party.

Blogger The Other Robot August 24, 2016 10:31 PM  

Trump's position on immigration is now the same as Jeb (please clap) and Marco.

Who are those nobodies?

And, actually, Josh, you lied. It is not the same. You lied about Trump's different approach to letting more of the scum come here.

Blogger The Other Robot August 24, 2016 10:34 PM  

Finns show some spirit.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 10:39 PM  

And, actually, Josh, you lied. It is not the same. You lied about Trump's different approach to letting more of the scum come here.

https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/768597412348694528

Compare

Blogger dfordoom August 24, 2016 10:43 PM  

@93. Be Not Afraid

Wondering if Google/Apple/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit will use Hillary's speech as the pretext to take down all the alt right sites as hatey haters.

Highly likely. It's worth bearing in mind that the First Amendment is utterly worthless. The government has no need to crush free speech. Google/Apple/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit will do it for them, and far more effectively. And they'd love to do it. They may well simply be waiting for the most opportune time.

In fact I'd be rather surprised it this didn't happen.

What effect would this have on the alt-right? It would pretty much eliminate it. And the government would not even need to suffer the opprobrium of having being seen to be acting oppressively. They'd just say it was nothing to do with them, these are private companies and they're free to do whatever they wish.

I'm not sure the alt-right has any understanding of just how vulnerable it is. At the moment the alt-right exists because the globalists/SJWs choose to allow it to exist. They may well believe that it helps them more than it hurts them.

Anonymous rubberducky August 24, 2016 10:52 PM  

BGKB @80 -- The epipen thing is bananas. We got one for my son after his tongue started swelling and we rushed him to the hospital. A week later he had to use it and we were right back in the ER.

We found our new, great Obamacare dictated insurance will only pay for one epipen per month, and we just burned it. And it would be $350 out of pocket to get another. Shocked.

Karl Denninger's got a hot post up on it now. It's outrageous.

OpenID aew51183 August 24, 2016 10:54 PM  

Mike Cernovich has created a primer, discusses how AltRight has already lost the SEO battle, then moves into strategy given what is going on:

https://www.periscope.tv/Cernovich/1lDGLNYEdnkxm

Blogger Lazarus August 24, 2016 10:55 PM  

I have been listening and watching the Hannity tapes, and have yet to find the quotes Matt Pearce highlighted. Can someone point me to the actual part of the tape??

Blogger SciVo August 24, 2016 10:58 PM  

@ Doom: I just notice what is coming, celebrate it in one sense, hope for it even, but rue the way it will go so overboard before settling down.

I know exactly what you mean. Right there with you.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 10:59 PM  

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/768641063288446976

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 11:05 PM  

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-adds-to-confusion-on-immigrants-no-citizenship-but-we-work-with-them-1472089209

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump once again muddled his immigration position, suggesting in a Fox News interview broadcast Wednesday that it would be “a very, very hard thing” to deport illegal immigrants who have been in the country for decades.

Mr. Trump’s latest immigration position, as aides to his defeated GOP primary opponents pointed out on social media, amounts to the “amnesty” that Mr. Trump and others have long accused moderate Republicans of supporting.

“No citizenship,” Mr. Trump told Fox News host Sean Hannity, according to a transcript of the interview distributed by the network. “Let me go a step further—they’ll pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes, there’s no amnesty, as such, there’s no amnesty, but we work with them.”

Mr. Trump said he has been convinced to take this new position by people who have told him it is “tough” to remove law-abiding undocumented immigrants. During the primary season, he called for a “deportation force” to remove all 11 million undocumented immigrants—and in a portion of his interview with Mr. Hannity aired Tuesday night, he said of people who have overstayed their visas: “We have to get them out.”

He also called for a “softening” of the nation’s immigration laws in the Tuesday portion of the Hannity interview.

“Now, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out,” Mr. Trump said. “But when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I’ve had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they’ve said, ’Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person who’s been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it’s so tough, Mr. Trump,’ I have it all the time! It’s a very, very hard thing.”

Blogger Rollo the Cat August 24, 2016 11:09 PM  

The idea that the Dems are shaking on their boots over the alt-right is a fantasy that results from living in a cocoon. They love the idea of being able to associate that pathetic bunch of wannabe Nazis with Trump. It may be Trumps campaign that is scared.

By alt-right I mean simply Spencer's groups and the others associated with it. They were the original alt-right and still the heart of the so called movement as far as I see. It was never meant to go anywhere, never intended to win anything. It was, as the leader stated, I believe, just a big discussion group. To me it seems like a bunch of losers who mistake life for a fantasy role playing game that centers around all things Teutonic. Screw the Anglo-Saxon tradition ( as I was told by the alt-righters themselves) and just bask in the glory of your Arno Breker statue and other latent homosexual images. They don't give a whatever what people think because they don't need to win anything or win anyone over. Just float in their little bubble.

I don't put everyone who associated themselves with the alt-right in that catagory, but it is accurate in describing the core of the movement. An alternative alternative right, with a mature and politically aware leadership might actually make a difference.
could just make a difference.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakirti August 24, 2016 11:12 PM  

Speaking as someone broadly aligned with the alt-right (though perhaps more of a neoreactionary), could someone please explain the Jew thing? The Jews I know are all super smart. I understand that they are not "white" for certain important values of the term, but so what?

Blogger The Other Robot August 24, 2016 11:13 PM  

Josh, you are not improving your credibility by quoting more Cucky Main Slime Media article.

Blogger The Other Robot August 24, 2016 11:14 PM  

The idea that the Dems are shaking on their boots over

What are they shaking on their boots?

Blogger SciVo August 24, 2016 11:15 PM  

@ JCclimber:

I don't know what he will have them say, but we need to be ready for rapid rhetorical response. Yes any publicity is good when you're right, but good publicity is better than bad.

Blogger The Other Robot August 24, 2016 11:23 PM  

You Go Girl

Blogger Robert Divinity August 24, 2016 11:23 PM  

What are they shaking on their boots?

Maybe the same stuff they will be dripping on their boots. I could care less what a lying criminal like Clinton has to say but look forward to the fall-out. These brainiacs are attacking a still largely unknown movement than can use the publicity and is known for massive and effective retaliation. It must have looked good on paper.

Anonymous andon August 24, 2016 11:26 PM  

Mike Cernovich has created a primer, discusses how AltRight has already lost the SEO battle, then moves into strategy given what is going on:

I think he's right about SEO. I sometimes search for a random rightwing blog or website with enough distinctive terms that it should be the first result but it doesn't even show up on the first page.

Anonymous johnc August 24, 2016 11:27 PM  

@95 Just heard that Trump did a 180 on immigration on Hannity show while crowd booed. Any Ilk see it?

Not really a 180 though... Trump has always supported amnesty.

Blogger Josh August 24, 2016 11:27 PM  

Video of Trump on Hannity:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-flip-flops-on-immigration-says-we-can-work-with-the-great-people-here-illegally/

Blogger Lazarus August 24, 2016 11:30 PM  

Darth Dharmakirti wrote:Speaking as someone broadly aligned with the alt-right (though perhaps more of a neoreactionary), could someone please explain the Jew thing? The Jews I know are all super smart. I understand that they are not "white" for certain important values of the term, but so what?

Jews who have internalized the diaspora are knee-jerk anti-nationlist and pro-globalist. That has nothing to do with smart, but irrational fear instead, a debilitating emotion. They thus become an antagonist to the legitimate yearning of people to be free from globalist coersion

Blogger Lazarus August 24, 2016 11:33 PM  

Josh wrote:Video of Trump on Hannity:



Lazarus wrote:I have been listening and watching the Hannity tapes, and have yet to find the quotes Matt Pearce highlighted. Can someone point me to the actual part of the tape??

(second request, Josh)

Blogger SciVo August 24, 2016 11:39 PM  

@ dfordoom: I'm not sure the alt-right has any understanding of just how vulnerable it is. At the moment the alt-right exists because the globalists/SJWs choose to allow it to exist. They may well believe that it helps them more than it hurts them.

I'm not sure that the establishment understands how vulnerable it is. It literally lives on our grace.

I don't even understand how Soros and his progeny are still alive, since they want to shrink your baby's head. Who meets them and says to himself, "Yes, I should let this monster live to shrink another baby's head."

Anonymous MawBTS August 24, 2016 11:43 PM  

you mistake fertility in the age of contraception and abortion with rabbit-like behavior.
Which group is most like to randomly bang strangers?
Which group is more like to indulge in perverse, fetishistic and other mentally ill sexual behaviors?
Which group is more like to abandon their family and take up a new one on little to no prompting? These are /r behaviors, not procreation per se. It's merely that in animals, the two are equivalent.


This seems wrong to me. r-type strategy means EXACTLY TWO things: 1) numerous offspring 2) low parental investment. It has no opinion whatsoever on recreational sex, fetishes, and mental illnesses. And wouldn't contraception be a K-type preference, anyway? I mean, insofar as the theory applies to humans?

Because people are not in any way animals, and never exhibit animal-like behavior, especially when it comes to sexual activity.
Gotcha. Glad you cleared that up for us.


*points to word "species"*

Anonymous johnc August 24, 2016 11:47 PM  

@132

It's right here (6:30):

https://youtu.be/I0jZONc4K5M?t=6m27s

Anonymous Siobhan August 24, 2016 11:47 PM  

Ooh, Forbes says that the AltRight is going to purge Catholics from the country:

"He [Trump] has aligned himself with the alt-right, a white nationalist movement that seeks to purify the American population and supports a purge that would likely include Catholics."

Should I pack my bags?

Anonymous johnc August 24, 2016 11:53 PM  

@136 Should I pack my bags?

If you're a Mexican Catholic you have nothing to worry about.

Blogger SciVo August 25, 2016 12:06 AM  

@ Josh: “Now, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out,” Mr. Trump said. “But when I go through and I meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject, and I’ve had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me, and they’ve said, ’Mr. Trump, I love you, but to take a person who’s been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and their family out, it’s so tough, Mr. Trump,’ I have it all the time! It’s a very, very hard thing.”

Shrug. We get the government we deserve. If that's what people are saying to him -- and I believe it -- then that's what he should do.

Good on him for being flexible, and eff my fellow Americans for being retards.

Blogger SciVo August 25, 2016 12:11 AM  

@ Rollo the Cat:

Who's the label on your champagne?

Anonymous andon August 25, 2016 12:17 AM  

if you're mejican catholic, you should be in mejico

Anonymous Icicle August 25, 2016 12:21 AM  

I understand that they are not "white" for certain important values of the term, but so what?

We've made progress. A year ago (hardly) anyone one got that.

Anonymous Wyrd August 25, 2016 12:29 AM  

Josh's "Trump suxxorz!!!11!" monomania has finally convinced me. I'll be voting for Hillary now.

Blogger SciVo August 25, 2016 12:35 AM  

@ Darth Dharmakirti:

My sister's late first husband was a Jew. He was awesome, a model to aspire to, and I love his parents. They're great.

That doesn't change the fact that as a tribe, they have failed every test. I'm biased in their favor, and still determined that the Diaspora Jews are literally incapable of caring about real authoritarianism.

Over and over, they get hysterical about nationalism, since they're a nomadic race. They're only concerned about pogroms, not serfdom.

But the Jews in Israel seem to be cool, or at least half of them. Nationalism is a prerequisite of internationalism. They understand the game like teams in intermural sports, not opening Constantinople or sharing nuke tech.

Not that I would trust them too far. They haven't earned it.

Blogger Nick S August 25, 2016 12:42 AM  

Just in-case someone wants a little dialectic to back up their rhetoric in the wake of Clinton's forthcoming slanderous diatribe, you may want to brush up on some facts and stats with the Color of Crime 2016 PDF.

Anonymous Rh12 August 25, 2016 12:42 AM  

"Just heard that Trump did a 180 on immigration on Hannity show while crowd booed. Any Ilk see it?"

You could see this coming in the primaries. Someone forgot to tell Trump that the small contingent of Americans that gave Trump the nomination are not representative of the majority of Americans that vote. Of course he'd have no choice but to flip flop and strain in the general.

No one has any right to believe a thing he says when he says anything.

Add to this the fact that he brings in a noted racist and anti-semite to help with the campaign and a campaign manager that is insisting he flip flop and you are looking at Clinton taking more than 340 electoral votes.

Anonymous Darth Dharmakirti August 25, 2016 12:44 AM  

Jews who have internalized the diaspora are knee-jerk anti-nationalist and pro-globalist.

I feel like you could plausibly say this of any ethnic group that had, for one reason or another, lost their homeland. That doesn't entitle them to anyone else's homeland, but as someone said above, if you can fight for it (or convince other people to fight for it on your behalf) and keep it...

"Israel for the Jews" is fine, more or less, but I don't think Jews are necessarily any worse than any other exiled or emigrated population group. Do you think that "a future for white children" is incompatible with the presence of Jews in society?

Anonymous Wyrd August 25, 2016 12:51 AM  

@Rh12,

Call me a racist, misogynist, and homophobe again. It makes my nipples hard.

Blogger SciVo August 25, 2016 12:53 AM  

Darth, it's been almost two millenia. Their bad behavior has been geneticized. I wouldn't want gypsies either.

Anonymous Rolf August 25, 2016 12:53 AM  

Can you say "Streisand effect"? I knew you could.

Thanks for the publicity.

Anonymous Rh12 August 25, 2016 12:59 AM  

"Call me a racist, misogynist, and homophobe again. It makes my nipples hard."

What makes you think I was calling you anything?

Typical.

The AltRight regularly misunderstands the most basic elements of politics and rhetoric. I think it's because deep down they know their ideology is dead on arrival, so why care what they say or what others think or how words and actions are viewed.

No, I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the 99% of the American public that recoils at the thought of you.

Anonymous Wyrd August 25, 2016 1:11 AM  

@Rabbit12

What makes you think I was calling you anything?

Your posting history on this site.

I was talking about the 99% of the American public that recoils at the thought of you.

You rabbits love to think you are in the vast majority. Feeds into your safety in a large herd mentality as it makes you feel you're less likely to be eaten. You're in for a rude surprise, Bunny-Boy.

Blogger Unknown August 25, 2016 1:21 AM  

I just watched the pertinent clip on Breitbart. Trump's comments about having "great people in this country" that have contributed were clearly spoken about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and he brought up how inherently unfair it is to allow illegal immigration or amnesty when we've got people who have committed to coming to this country legally. There is no controversy here.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/08/23/trump-we-want-to-follow-the-laws-but-there-are-great-people-in-country-illegally-and-there-can-be-a-softening-of-law/

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 25, 2016 1:29 AM  

MawBTS wrote:This seems wrong to me. r-type strategy means EXACTLY TWO things: 1) numerous offspring 2) low parental investment. It has no opinion whatsoever on recreational sex, fetishes, and mental illnesses. And wouldn't contraception be a K-type preference, anyway? I mean, insofar as the theory applies to humans?



In a biological sense the strategy is to procreate as fast as possible. It is expressed, however, as a drive to bang anything that moves. Believe it or not homosexual behavior is also a hallmark of r-selected species.
R-type behavior is not a strategy except by analogy. It is a drive that results is typical patterns of behavior. In other words, r-type behavior is not driven by procreation, it is driven by sex and particularly sex regardless of consequence.
In human societies it is a clearly visible pattern of female behavior.

Blogger John Wright August 25, 2016 1:29 AM  

@152

There wass never a controversy. The press lies about Trump. They richly, deeply, cunningly, cleverly, and shamelessly lie. Do you want to know Trumps real position on any issue? He has been saying the same thing for decades. Look up some interviews from before he was in politics. His positions are the same. The idea of him as a flipflopper is part of the news matrix, the news maya, the news illusion, the news narrative.

You don't believe what the press says about Sad Puppies or Gamergate, do you? Why trust them now?

Blogger Doom August 25, 2016 1:31 AM  

Wow, 99% eh? Hey guys? We are the 1%! Make that the 3%, if of a different kind, and I'd buy it.

RH12,

It's most likely about 3% on our side who would do something, another 30% who would support those. Another 33% don't give a shit, so long as someone will give them food, or get out of their way, or leave them alone, or whatever... man. And on your side, if there is 1% who would do something I would be greatly surprised.

When people start going down hard and long, I don't think you'll find 5% on your side. A lot of traitors trying to fit in with us, or even the middlings, but they will be separated pretty quickly. No one wants you and you can't shut your cunt mouths. Of course, most of us won't kill. Just shove you in with the animals your side supports pushing onto the rest of us, until we decide what to do with them... and you, if you survive.

Anonymous Icicle August 25, 2016 1:38 AM  

A lot of traitors trying to fit in with us, or even the middlings, but they will be separated pretty quickly. No one wants you and you can't shut your cunt mouths. Of course, most of us won't kill. Just shove you in with the animals your side supports pushing onto the rest of us, until we decide what to do with them... and you, if you survive.

Reminds me of the end of that movie Predators where the psychopathic doctor is murmuring "But I'm one of you..." to the Predator.

It does not end well for him. Lots of stabbing. And grenades.

Anonymous Roundtine August 25, 2016 1:43 AM  

I think it's because deep down they know their ideology is dead on arrival, so why care what they say or what others think or how words and actions are viewed.

It's because we don't care. It's sort of like building a house with plumbing for running water, and being called evil because everyone else believes water has a spirit and you can't contain it in pipes. The crowd jeers and laughs, but I don't care because I have running water. This is effectively what the progressives are doing with the Altright, but the difference is they will eventually show up with a bulldozer to smash the house up for being heretical. So we have to fight. If they'd sod off and leave us alone, we wouldn't bother them, but they can't leave a house with running water standing. If racist, sexist, homophobes build far more functional societies, progressivism isn't the one true religion.

Blogger Dire Badger August 25, 2016 1:44 AM  

K-selected people thrive under Oppression and hardship... hell, we languish without it.

Blogger Dire Badger August 25, 2016 1:56 AM  



Hillary- "All those bastard alt-righters!"
Listener (confused) "What's Alt Right?"
(looks it up....)

"Wait... you mean that's an Option?"

Anonymous Hillary Clinton August 25, 2016 2:04 AM  

Shameful alt-right with their extremist ideology. That is not who we are. They need to eat more vegetables and recycle more.

Oh shit I just fell over.

I think I am dying.

And not just on the inside.

Blogger rho August 25, 2016 2:12 AM  

In other words, Clinton gave form to the Alt-Right.

On the one hand, that's a victory for the Alt-Right (long live the founders, whoever they are, or were).

On the other hand, the Democrat Clinton introduced the Alt-Right.

If I were a Trump supporter, and if I were decidedly Alt-Right, why did leftist-Hillary bring me up first before Trump?

Anonymous Wyrd August 25, 2016 2:21 AM  

Remember: This past Democratic convention played "Whitey be da debil" right up until the night of Granny Cankles' acceptance-speech. Then, it was all Western culture, patriotism, and USA! USA!

They still booed God this year just like they did back in '12.

Fudge them along with their useful idiots such as Rabbit12.

Anonymous Confused Boomer August 25, 2016 2:23 AM  

It is Hillary's turn to be president now. Let's give her a chance.

I keep trying to put my 8-track on the iPod but it never seems to work. Where is the slot? There is some of the Best of Bread I am getting around to.

Anonymous Wyrd August 25, 2016 2:26 AM  

I keep trying to put my 8-track on the iPod but it never seems to work. Where is the slot? There is some of the Best of Bread I am getting around to.

Hit the Foghat option and you'll be good.

Blogger Dire Badger August 25, 2016 2:28 AM  

@162-
RH12 is just another Mercedes Lackey or Spider Robinson wannabe frantically masturbating over Hillary Fakes while listening to Alanis Morissette and stamping angrily on it's keyboard about social Justice.

Please don't Feed the trolls.

Anonymous Wyrd August 25, 2016 2:35 AM  

Please don't Feed the trolls.

Apparently, you're not a Dire Honey-Badger.

Blogger rho August 25, 2016 2:40 AM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 25, 2016 2:40 AM  

Wyrd wrote:Hit the Foghat option and you'll be good.

Hey now!
Foghat is an awesome blues band that unfortunately somehow ran into some chart success in the 1970s. Great fun and a great show, if you ignore anything they did before 1995 or so.

Blogger rho August 25, 2016 2:42 AM  

And more.

Blogger SciVo August 25, 2016 2:43 AM  

@ Dire Badger: K-selected people thrive under Oppression and hardship... hell, we languish without it.

That is so true. I literally couldn't figure out what I wanted to do with my life until I saw the debtberg. I know how to deal with adversity! Awesome!

Anonymous A.B. Prosper August 25, 2016 3:20 AM  

Icicle wrote:A lot of traitors trying to fit in with us, or even the middlings, but they will be separated pretty quickly. No one wants you and you can't shut your cunt mouths. Of course, most of us won't kill. Just shove you in with the animals your side supports pushing onto the rest of us, until we decide what to do with them... and you, if you survive.

Reminds me of the end of that movie Predators where the psychopathic doctor is murmuring "But I'm one of you..." to the Predator.

It does not end well for him. Lots of stabbing. And grenades.


Its probably going to come to a lot of stabbing and grenades anyway unfortunately.

O/T a bit, Dire Badger , you made me chuckle. Mercedes Lackey wannabe heh. If any author I've read is a victim of maleducation its her. Its like someone took a stinking filthy slab of SJW and smeared it over a pretty good fantasy writer with a basic core of common sense.

Spider Robinson is just a damned good writer at times YMMV of course but I quite enjoyed the Callahan's Series , I'm not a humanists and don't do cheerful but SR could tell a tale.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 25, 2016 3:30 AM  

Fitting, timely movement. While blaming alt right, blaming innocent Milo, calling others whom are not trolls, trolls and evil white men are to blame, what absurdities.

https://mic.com/articles/152572/leslie-jones-nude-photos-were-stolen-and-leaked-so-naturally-people-blamed-leslie-jones#.NN18BDCJW

Blogger Lazarus August 25, 2016 5:15 AM  

Darth Dharmakirti wrote:Jews who have internalized the diaspora are knee-jerk anti-nationalist and pro-globalist.

I feel like you could plausibly say this of any ethnic group that had, for one reason or another, lost their homeland. That doesn't entitle them to anyone else's homeland, but as someone said above, if you can fight for it (or convince other people to fight for it on your behalf) and keep it...

"Israel for the Jews" is fine, more or less, but I don't think Jews are necessarily any worse than any other exiled or emigrated population group. Do you think that "a future for white children" is incompatible with the presence of Jews in society?


There is a concept in Judaism called "Tikun Olam" or "repair the world". It is from this concept that progressivism arose, and in time SJW's. This requires them to meddle.

Look up "Kibitz" (yiddish term). It means "to watch other people and make unwanted comments about what they are doing".

Blogger Lovekraft August 25, 2016 5:54 AM  

Sun Tzu has advised to be flexible and mobile, not to allow government in military affairs. Alt-right will have to follow these simple rules to prevail. In the short term, the attacks will demoralize the short-sighted, but encourage the main body.

Anonymous Sazerac August 25, 2016 5:55 AM  

I'd blame Milo, after all he likes black men and I can't think of anyone else that would want to look at those nude pics.

Anonymous SciVo August 25, 2016 6:10 AM  

rho wrote:If I were a Trump supporter, and if I were decidedly Alt-Right, why did leftist-Hillary bring me up first before Trump?

We've gone over this. Trump is not one of us. He will hopefully make things less bad, but that's the most we can expect.

Anonymous SciVo August 25, 2016 6:16 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Look up "Kibitz" (yiddish term). It means "to watch other people and make unwanted comments about what they are doing".

And it's amusingly close to "kibbutz" which is their hippie commune. So apropos.

Anonymous MawBTS August 25, 2016 6:31 AM  

In a biological sense the strategy is to procreate as fast as possible. It is expressed, however, as a drive to bang anything that moves.

Again, this isn't really a correct definition of the term. Mayflies are an r-selected species, but they don't "bang anything that moves". They reproduce for a very brief window time under very specific circumstances. Dogs are far more sexually amorous (as many unguarded legs have discovered), even though they're usually considered a K-species.

I just don't buy that r/K theory is a useful way to explain the difference between liberals and conservatives. It doesn't fit over reality, at all. Suppose I tell you "the average family size of the DFksghag ethnic group is 9." What does this tell you about their moral outlook?

Nothing whatsoever! They might be liberal and permissive, like hippies. They might be strict and conservative, like Hasidic Jews. You just don't know.

Blogger pdwalker August 25, 2016 6:52 AM  

@172 the twitter comments are priceless

Anonymous johnc August 25, 2016 8:32 AM  

@152, 154

So the Hannity town hall was a two-parter. One part aired on Tuesday and another on Wednesday. The one on Wednesday is where Trump mentions that, obviously, we're not going to deport illegal aliens -- except the "criminal" element.

There really isn't any controversy. Trump has always been for amnesty. He's repeated it over and over on the campaign trail. He's even used the tired canard about "jobs Americans don't want to do". If you think he's going to deport the people here illegally, you're ascribing to him ideas that he doesn't believe.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 25, 2016 11:53 AM  

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 25, 2016 11:54 AM  

MawBTS wrote:Suppose I tell you "the average family size of the DFksghag ethnic group is 9." What does this tell you about their moral outlook?
On the other hand, suppose I tell you the average N of the women of the same ethnic group is 36, and the average number of men she has borne children for is 3. That would tell you everything you need to know.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco August 25, 2016 12:49 PM  

"You don't believe what the press says about Sad Puppies or Gamergate, do you? Why trust them now?"

The Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.

Blogger Bard August 25, 2016 2:22 PM  

There are not enough barbells to stop the Alt Right

Blogger Dire Badger August 26, 2016 2:33 AM  

@173-

If you enjoyed Callahan's, then don't read the stardancer series or the lifehouse series. It will make you want to put an ice pick in Spider's back.

He was humanist hyperliberal leftist socialist before it was cool. Hippy coward.

Anonymous Avalanche August 26, 2016 8:09 AM  

@180 " just don't buy that r/K theory is a useful way to explain the difference between liberals and conservatives. It doesn't fit over reality, at all."

So, you've not actually read Anonymous Conservative's stuff then? Might try that for a better understanding before you say it doesn't fit...

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