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Monday, August 22, 2016

The Worldcon audio

Dave Truesdale has posted the audio of his panel at Worldcon that led to his expulsion.
I had originally planned to post this unedited audio recording of the panel in conjunction with an article I wanted to have posted at Tangent Online the same day as the panel, and the text transcription of the audio. I now feel it is in the best interests of all parties to post the audio now, with the article and text transcription to follow as soon as I can get to it.

I had made notes for the article I wanted to have posted here, so brought them to the panel in their rough state, crossouts, arrows moving pieces around, written in thoughts in pen, the usual rough draft of any document. I did not intend to use anywhere near all of them but knew from experience that having too much material is better than having too little. As it turned out, the only item I used directly from these notes was the quote from David Hartwell.
It's easy to see understand why they kicked him out. They really had no choice after he began singing "Horst Wessel Lied", then threatened to whip NK Jemisin until she agreed to pick his cotton. Outrageous!

The panicked reaction to Truesdale's recording illustrates why you must always record SJWs. When you've got a recording, they can't convincingly lie about what they said or what you said. Keep in mind, as you listen to this, that Truesdale is accused of having caused "excessive discomfort" with his words, which was the grounds for his expulsion.

And SJWs ALWAYS lie.

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82 Comments:

Blogger GK Chesterton August 22, 2016 12:25 PM  

I'm about 15 minutes in...what on Earth was controversial about this? He handles it very well (or at least has so far)...

Anonymous That Would Be Telling August 22, 2016 12:31 PM  

Pity that Missouri is a one-party consent state.

Don't know about Finland, but it's a real pity that California (the following Worldcon) is a all parties consent state like Washington. Then again, no one may care very much about Worldcons and Hugos two years from now.

Blogger Salt August 22, 2016 12:35 PM  

A room full of special snowflakes.

Blogger Unknown August 22, 2016 12:39 PM  

The Dark Lords are guarding well the road to the Night Land. Gosh, if only there was a way to collect a toll. Waitaminnit...

OpenID aew51183 August 22, 2016 12:40 PM  

@2

Has there been any substantive challenge of those "all parties consent" laws under the first amendment?

It seems like an open and shut case to me.

Anonymous Jill August 22, 2016 12:40 PM  

In my experience, panels are almost universally mind-numbingly boring unless a compelling author hijacks it to tell interesting stories. So somebody starts a conversation that people are actually passionate about...!!! OMG, kick him out!

Blogger GK Chesterton August 22, 2016 12:48 PM  

Now 30ish minutes in...what in God's name was the problem? He hardly talks after his opening comments and moderates appropriately. And he didn't even finish his opening comments.

Blogger Sun Xhu August 22, 2016 12:54 PM  

GK Chesterton wrote:Now 30ish minutes in...what in God's name was the problem? He hardly talks after his opening comments and moderates appropriately. And he didn't even finish his opening comments.

I agree. He didn't "disrupt" anything. Worldcon is a joke.

Blogger Salt August 22, 2016 12:58 PM  

This is ludicrously lame, er... tame.

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 1:17 PM  

MAD - Micro Aggressive Disorder

Blogger Verne August 22, 2016 1:28 PM  

Good God what sort of pansies sees that discussion as causing "excessive discomfort" to he point that they needed to expel Dave Truesdale.

I call bull-shit they obviously expelled him for for having wrong thoughts. They proved by their own actions that every word he said was true

Anonymous NateM August 22, 2016 1:36 PM  

how long before they target this for a takedown notice under some weird circumstances

Blogger Nick S August 22, 2016 1:38 PM  

There's more to this than meets the ear. That's the only explanation. Probably some kind of secret pissing contest with jockeying for position and the striking of poses behind the scenes.

Anonymous Ain August 22, 2016 1:41 PM  

Liars, caught lying. They're exposed as having no legitimate reason to kick him out, it was merely a purge (again). It's as if they didn't know that things can be recorded.

Blogger Astrosmith August 22, 2016 1:46 PM  

What in the hell? What a bunch of whiny babies!

Blogger Astrosmith August 22, 2016 1:49 PM  

Vox, that quote from Hartwell that Truesdale read was excellent. Once the transcript is available, I'd like to know your comments in response to it.

What these idiots don't realize is that we don't want them to stop writing whatever they want to write. We don't care what they are writing, with all the inanities and perversions and what not. Just don't keep us from writing and reading the stuff that WE want to write and read.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 1:51 PM  

Stupid question: I wish to preserve this audio on a private, local, drive but not finding anything in Settings to do that.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 22, 2016 1:53 PM  

Dude was talking about "The State of Short Fiction"

It's just that the cult of Social Justice didnt want to hear these wrongthoughts.

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 1:54 PM  

@ #17 - Internet Download Manager grabbed it for me. there should be a free trial version

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 22, 2016 1:55 PM  

He was kicked because he committed the ultimate sin, he challenged the narrative. What he said, no matter how benign is irrelevant if it challenges the narrative.

Remember that SJWs think allowing another view is giving it legitimacy. WorldCon had to expel him or the SJWs would complain that he was given a platform.

Blogger Servant August 22, 2016 2:01 PM  

I don't know much outside Florida but one party two party doesn't matter for an event with no seeming privacy. If against convention rules that would give the blanket, except they threw that out the window when they stated reasons. This serves as forget legal term.

Now you assclowns broke Dave's site. I need a mirror.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 2:01 PM  

@19 thanks, IDM seems to be compatible with Vivaldi.
@20 exactly, this provides yet another opportunity to splinter SJW's a bit - might be interesting to push on Charlie Stross to either explain or defend the no-platforming, for example, since he likes to pose as a logical guy.

Blogger Pseudotsuga August 22, 2016 2:06 PM  

Verne wrote:Good God what sort of pansies sees that discussion as causing "excessive discomfort"? They proved by their own actions that every word he said was true.
These are the people who claim ownership of the Hugo brand, living in their own special world.
I have no interest in making nicey-nice with these bozos. At one time, I thought the Hugo actually meant something, like the Nobel prizes. Now, however, the scales have fallen from my eyes.

Blogger Dave August 22, 2016 2:11 PM  

Future panels will definitely require a Discomfort Alert Chart patterned after the US Homeland Security Advisory System Terror-Alert Chart.

GREEN:LOW - Low Risk of Discomfort

BLUE:GUARDED - General Risk of Discomfort

YELLOW:ELEVATED - Significant Risk of Discomfort

ORANGE:HIGH - Severe Risk of Discomfort

RED:SEVERE - Excessive Risk of Discomfort


Vox may want to consider use of the Discomfort-Alert Chart for blog posts. For example, I would rate this blog post Discomfort-Alert Status

OpenID tmdfos August 22, 2016 2:12 PM  

You could see it in Neil's face. He was really pissed at being called out on his tolerance comment. I'm glad to hear that I didn't sound too screechy.

Blogger Dave August 22, 2016 2:16 PM  

I would rate it BLUE:GUARDED - General Risk of Discomfort due to the reference to an unverified audio recording.

Anonymous Broken Arrow August 22, 2016 2:17 PM  

@22 Unlikely it would work. Remember that if Stross were to be seen defending Truesdale in any degree he could instantly be expelled from the SJW tribe.

That's why the "big dogs" like GRRM, Stross, and Scalzi will claim to talk to or debate anyone, but never will take on someone like Vox or Cernovich. One simple slip-up, just one, after a lifetime of boot licking the SJW narrative can mean instant expulsion. Being excluded is arguably what the SJWs fear most.

Blogger Verne August 22, 2016 2:18 PM  

Pseudotsuga wrote:Verne wrote:Good God what sort of pansies sees that discussion as causing "excessive discomfort"? They proved by their own actions that every word he said was true.

These are the people who claim ownership of the Hugo brand, living in their own special world.

I have no interest in making nicey-nice with these bozos. At one time, I thought the Hugo actually meant something, like the Nobel prizes. Now, however, the scales have fallen from my eyes.


At One time winning a Hugo ment the story was a good one if not great. I read the winners almost religiously. Then long before the puppies came about, all that changed. The award is meaningless. I run into better SF/FI for free on Amazon

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 2:25 PM  

@27
@22 Unlikely it would work. Remember that if Stross were to be seen defending Truesdale in any degree he could instantly be expelled from the SJW tribe.

Yes, and yet Stross does like to pose as rational, sincere, above the fray, and so forth. So pushing on him regarding no-platforming as in "What, exactly, justifies this?" either flushes him out as more of an SJW than he cares to admit, or it pushes him into a corner where he can be in trouble with the warren.

It's almost as those such no-platforming events can be used as a Xanatos Gambit.

Blogger sysadmn August 22, 2016 2:34 PM  

@2 - California's law covers "confidential communication". In a situation like this, it's hard to argue that a meeting is "confidential" or that participants had a reasonable expectation of privacy. A one-to-one interaction with an SJW? Consult a lawyer (http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law).

Anonymous Nathan August 22, 2016 2:41 PM  

So why did Truesdale get expelled without a chance to explain himself, and Kowal only get suspended?

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 2:46 PM  

o why did Truesdale get expelled without a chance to explain himself, and Kowal only get suspended?

Because Kowal is a card-carrying SJW.

Blogger Thucydides August 22, 2016 2:47 PM  

Is this more for less discomfort than you would get by being raped by an illegal immigrant? More or less discomfort than being thrown off a tall building for being of a certain sexual orientation? More or less discomfort than having your head sawn off for being an unbeliever or apostate?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Blogger Jewel August 22, 2016 2:53 PM  

I marvel at how verbose and inarticulate the woman speaking is. She's a writer?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer August 22, 2016 2:54 PM  

#21

I find it interesting that SJWs are always trying to intimidate people into not recording them. Sort of like asshole cops. They know that normal people, if they knew what was going on, would not support them.

Blogger tz August 22, 2016 3:01 PM  

Special snowflakes meltdown. Either heat, salt, or light works.

To modern muslim slavers: take our SJwomen and white knights, please!

Anonymous WaterBoy August 22, 2016 3:14 PM  

Jewel @34: "She's a writer?"

Worse. She's an editor.

Blogger Sam August 22, 2016 3:14 PM  

@17 http://www.tangentonline.com//images/audio/radio/dt_panel.mp3

Blogger Sam August 22, 2016 3:20 PM  

Right click player to save the link. :)

Blogger Astrosmith August 22, 2016 3:38 PM  

OK so I just got to the end of the audio. What did Truesdale say to get expelled? I suppose he triggered some snowflake with his comments about snowflakes clutching their pearls? They proved his point!

Blogger slarrow August 22, 2016 3:44 PM  

Haven't had a chance to hear the audio yet (traveling), but one quasi-credible criticism I heard was that this statement wasn't appropriate for a moderator (as opposed to a panelist.) Now that the audio is out, any substance to that objection?

Blogger buwaya puti August 22, 2016 3:46 PM  

Assuming part of the purpose is to get along, which may not have been the case, it may be that this was to a degree planned as propaganda of the deed - his initial statement was simply too long. Two to five minutes would have sufficed to annoy those who needed annoying and frame the rest of the discussion.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 22, 2016 3:48 PM  

Astrosmith wrote:OK so I just got to the end of the audio. What did Truesdale say to get expelled? I suppose he triggered some snowflake with his comments about snowflakes clutching their pearls? They proved his point!

If I were Truesdale I would consider the expulsion mission accomplished. It shows just how incapable they are of dealing with other points of view.

Also say that Alyssa Wong is claiming she was harassed. She claims fans harassed her at Wiscon and were disciplined there and then harassed her again at world con. When reading her account of what happened it's easy to see most of it is her overacting to what is likely innocent behavior that she took the wrong way. If anything it sounds like her and her friends were the ones engaging in physical abuse of her "harassers".

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 22, 2016 3:51 PM  

You are asking the wrong question.

What didn't Truesdale confess before being ejected?

See, if only he had confessed ahead of time, everyone would have been spared the agony of his complicit silence.

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep August 22, 2016 3:56 PM  

@36- To modern muslim slavers: take our SJwomen and white knights, please!

"And do what with them, infidel? Deep-fry 'em? Even we don't want to fuck 'em and Allah knows nothing could ever make 'em productive, so fix your own damn problems."

Anonymous Bukulu August 22, 2016 4:00 PM  

Jewel,

"Writer" not "Speaker".

I heard Dave Barry give an radio interview during a book tour; remarkably boring and quite un-funny.

Blogger Michael Thompson August 22, 2016 4:07 PM  

"Haven't had a chance to hear the audio yet (traveling), but one quasi-credible criticism I heard was that this statement wasn't appropriate for a moderator (as opposed to a panelist.) Now that the audio is out, any substance to that objection?"

He sounded like he was more interested in making his small presentation with his pearls instead of getting to his point, which he phrased fairly clumsily and was interrupted well-before reaching the meat of it. If, perhaps, he wasn't so clumsy about it, it might have been better received, especially if he couched what he was saying in more conceptual terms, rather than using language that he knew would inflame certain listeners in the audience. That being said, there does not seem to be any element of abuse in what he was saying, nor did it really last all that long, not did the panel become out of control.

The most contentious that it actually became was an exchange between Neil Clarke and a fan in the audience, when Clarke attempted to make a point about the field in general becoming more tolerant and the fan objecting that Clarke's behavior toward the moderator when he objected to the moderator's presentation was intolerant. Clarke did not appreciate the remark and there was a hostile and louder exchange between the two that followed.

Overall, however, I don't hear anything there that would seem to warrant expulsion from the entire convention, though it is possible, of course, that the moderator committed violations that we do not know about.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 22, 2016 4:09 PM  

@37
This person became full editor in 2004 when Dozois retired but I bet her fingerprints were all over the 'zine before then. I can't remember when I gave up on IASFM as fit to read, but it was sometime around 2000.

Well. Another amazing coincidence.

Blogger Ron August 22, 2016 4:23 PM  

@ChickenChickenSweep

Allah knows nothing could ever make 'em productive, so fix your own damn problems.

You'd be surprised what a proper ass kicking can accomplish.

Blogger pyrrhus August 22, 2016 4:46 PM  

@30 Correct. There can't be any expectation of privacy in a public presentation, and people record them all the time.

Anonymous WaterBoy August 22, 2016 4:47 PM  

Thin-skinned people overreact when told that they're thin-skinned?

Say it ain't so!

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep August 22, 2016 5:02 PM  

@49 - Maybe, but even mild verbal disagreement can cause SJWs to completely break down. Which do you think would be the probable outcome of actual ass-kickings with this lot?

Anonymous BGKB August 22, 2016 5:09 PM  

Vox may want to consider use of the Discomfort-Alert Chart for blog posts. For example, I would

I hear MILO carries lube to all his campus events

Blogger bob k. mando August 22, 2016 5:09 PM  

hah.

remember, oh so long ago, when i pointed out that THEIR actions would be your recruiting tool?

Truesdale is on the Puppy side now, whether he wanted too be or not. they forced him here.

Blogger rcocean August 22, 2016 5:11 PM  

Several points. Truesdale actually talks very little, its mostly some women who rambles on endlessly and a couple other people who seem to disagree with Truesdale. I skipped around a lot because most of these people are very boring.

Blogger Ron August 22, 2016 5:31 PM  

@52 ChickenChickenSweep

Which do you think would be the probable outcome of actual ass-kickings with this lot?

Improvement or amusement.

Blogger Nick D August 22, 2016 5:59 PM  

He got kicked out for that? That's absolutely ridiculous. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, they do always lie

Blogger Culture War Draftee August 22, 2016 6:01 PM  

I'm a little slow, but I just realized Neil Clarke is the Clarkesworld guy. I have to say he's truly a go-to on the current state of SF short fiction. I've never read anything in Clarkesworld I could stomach. I think the only thing I finished was Nebula-winning (?) story "Spar" which is the sort of thing that gives tentacle porn a bad name. I tried a couple of other items (there was a one-gag piece about Moby Clit and some alt-history about Himmler's grandson looking at Jew porn on the internet) and decided I really didn't need to read Clarkesworld any more.

Has Clarkesworld published anything remotely readable? Because if it represents typical SF short fiction, then SF is in very bad shape.

Anonymous 6184 August 22, 2016 6:32 PM  

I don't why... glutton for punishment I guess, but I read the comments at file770...even the ones from Camisole FelFapton...

Without a doubt, one of the biggest bunch of Dunning-Kreuger mealy-mouthed passive aggressive pussies I have ever seen.

What a bunch of Cee-U-Next-Tuesdays.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 22, 2016 6:43 PM  

6184 wrote:I don't why... glutton for punishment I guess, but I read the comments at file770...even the ones from Camisole FelFapton...

Without a doubt, one of the biggest bunch of Dunning-Kreuger mealy-mouthed passive aggressive pussies I have ever seen.

What a bunch of Cee-U-Next-Tuesdays.


They are actually saying that by expelling Truesdale they were showing tolerance.

The other thing I found humorous were the ones still making references to CT in a positive light even after revealing their true feelings by no-awarding him.

Anonymous Brandon Howe August 22, 2016 6:47 PM  

Jim Hines posted about this: http://www.jimchines.com/2016/08/worldcon-expels-truesdale/

He's gone full cuck SJW. Disappointing.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 6:59 PM  

He's gone full cuck SJW. Disappointing.

Gone? He's always been one.

Blogger Salt August 22, 2016 7:02 PM  

Brandon Howe wrote:He's gone full cuck SJW. Disappointing.

That's McCreapy.

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 22, 2016 7:13 PM  

@VD

Beat me to it.

He had one good joke - that he tried to stretch into three books. Only the first was mildly entertaining. He couldn't resist bashing straight, white men long enough to finish the three unmolested.

Howard Tayler's recommendation of Jim C Hine's "princess" books who's marketing descriptions make me cringe without even opening the covers - and my reaction to the Goblin books - are why, despite my deep and abiding appreciation for Schlock Mercenary, I refuse to pay attention to any reading or movie recommendations of his.

Tayler and Kowal are linked by, among other things, "Writing Excuses" - a podcast which I used to unreservedly recommend until MRK came on. This was well before I discovered what a piece of work she was re: the whole bikini affair, and deniably referring to Pournelle as one of twelve rabid weasels who should just hurry up and die. The downgrading was almost entirely because with the limited time format, MRK didn't bring any really new insights, and adding a fourth cut down on depth that Howard, Brandon, etc. used to go to within the 15 minutes, making the whole show a lot shallower and less useful / interesting. It's also gotten a lot more PC in both topic and viewpoint.

It went from a short show that would bring on people like Larry and would explore one small topic in insightful depth to a shallow mockery of its former self - and less timely as they recorded more and more episodes in one chunk.


Blogger Bear Brubaker August 22, 2016 7:15 PM  

I think it is true to a certain degree that Truesdale does hijack the panel -- only from the point of view that his idea of what a panel on the "State of Short Fiction" obviously differs from what the other panelists were expecting to talk about. This is a fault of the venu by not having a more defined outline of what will be discussed.

That said, nothing at all in the discussion rises to the level where someone should have been kicked out of Worldcon. There isn't any raised voices or excessive profanity or even any really out there Alt-Right viewpoints discussed. Sheila Williams comes off as intelligent and on-topic for the topic Truesdale presented.

It seems like this is a situation where clearly the Worldcon presenters are totally in the wrong and at fault for not trying to define what the panel will be about and the topics that we're going to be discussed. I think they owe him an apology and a refund for sure, as well as an invitation to speak again in the future.

Anonymous andon August 22, 2016 7:55 PM  

60. OpenID basementhomebrewer August 22, 2016 6:43 PM

They are actually saying that by expelling Truesdale they were showing tolerance.


the right needs to play this game - whatever you do, upsidedown world

Blogger Slagenthor August 22, 2016 7:55 PM  

So glad that my daughter and I didn't waste the time to attend, even if just to lurk and troll: we would have gotten kicked out post-haste.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 22, 2016 8:00 PM  

Bear Brubaker wrote:I think it is true to a certain degree that Truesdale does hijack the panel -- only from the point of view that his idea of what a panel on the "State of Short Fiction" obviously differs from what the other panelists were expecting to talk about. This is a fault of the venu by not having a more defined outline of what will be discussed.

It seems like this is a situation where clearly the Worldcon presenters are totally in the wrong and at fault for not trying to define what the panel will be about...


Ex-Pro Guest here. Usually it's the Moderator's job to set up the content of a panel, once the subject is selected by the con committee. There are all sorts of variations. First the topic is chosen, months before the con, and they pick a Mod and the Panelists from their long list of responding Pro Guests (which incidentally also depends on schedule conflicts). Then either a committee member or the Mod writes up the blurb for the Program books. This is done weeks ahead of time.

The Mod then contacts the other panelists ahead of time, in theory, to go over what they want to talk about. In reality most Mods and Panelists just show up and wing it, maybe 80% of the time. Short SFF is a 'bread & butter' topic, so that's probably what they did in this case, especially if the Panelists were all experienced Pro Guests.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 22, 2016 8:19 PM  

Example Worldcon Panel Programming Blurb:

State of Short Fiction

Tired of reading, seeing, and smelling all those intolerant, pearl-clutching SJWs in short SFF? Want hear a little something different, something dangerous, something perhaps... entriggering? Will the virtuous signal their virtuous virtue? Will salty tears flow in copious quantity? Join us for a rousing good time at WorldCon 2016, where you can watch the badfeelz drama unfold right before your eyes. Moderator: Dave Trusdale, with special guest appearances by Worldcon Security

Blogger eharmonica August 22, 2016 9:04 PM  

Here's the actual blurb for the panel:

"More than just the magazines, short fiction is in a golden age, found in the magazine, online, in anthologies, and chapbooks. The field's editors come together to talk about what they are seeing, and debate whether there is a short fiction renaissance. "

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 22, 2016 10:44 PM  

eharmonica wrote:Here's the actual blurb for the panel:

More than just the magazines, short fiction is in a dark age, found in the magazine[s] (sic), online, in anthologies, and chapbooks. The field's editors come together to create a violation of the Narrative, point and shriek, isolate and swarm, reject and transform, press for surrender, appeal to an amenable authority, hold a show trial, and enjoy a victory parade online.

Blogger Lazarus August 22, 2016 10:50 PM  

Spartacus xxxxx wrote:The Mod then contacts the other panelists ahead of time, in theory, to go over what they want to talk about. In reality most Mods and Panelists just show up and wing it, maybe 80% of the time. Short SFF is a 'bread & butter' topic, so that's probably what they did in this case, especially if the Panelists were all experienced Pro Guests.

Might the Mod have been a Mole?

That would be exceptional.

Blogger Tamquam August 22, 2016 11:35 PM  

Dave Truesdale has become an Enemy of the People and will be dealt with by Special Tasks in due course. Nothing to see here folks. Move along, move along.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 23, 2016 2:35 AM  

Emmanuel Goldstein has been expelled from World Con

Anonymous DK August 23, 2016 5:11 AM  

One of Scalzi's (McRapey's) recent blog posts (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/08/22/gum-on-the-shoe-of-history-or-why-the-hugos-are-still-not-destroyed/) illustrates two things:

1) Why Castalia House must succeed, and 2) Why I desire to be a published Castalia House author.

Scalzi's tries to attack Vox Day and tries to defend this year's Hugo Awards without realizing what the problems really are. His attack on Vox Day and Theodore Beale are weak when you consider that neither Vox Day, Theodore Beale nor Castalia House needs the WorldCon, the Hugo Awards, or even a mention on Scalzi's blog.

McRapey misunderstands the influence exerted by Vox Day or Theodore Beale. While Vox/Theodore goes along building something for the Science Fiction community and us writers left out in the cold by the big five publishers and Tor Books, Scalzi's tries to make the issue about something it is really not about and attacks Vox Day and Theodore Beale instead of defending Science Fiction, both as a fan and a professional.

Scalzi's claims in his additional thoughts (first blog comment) that

"the Hugo administers should also just simply note that they reserve the right to discard ballots that show obvious signs of slating"

And

"Likewise, as we have two years of clear evidence that Beale basically uses the slate as cheap advertising for his micro-press, I wonder it it’s time for the Hugo administrators to have the conversation about simply banning the press and/or any press Beale has fiduciary interest in. Obviously manipulating a ballot for your own business interests, and whether it should be allowed, is pretty clearly to me a thing worth discussing."

So, Scalzi wants the Hugo admins to discard any ballot that he does not agree with? And he wants ban Vox Day, Theodore Beale, and Castalia House from being considered for any Hugo Awards? And yet he does not really give any evidence that Vox Day or Theodore Beale are manipulating the awards for any business interests.

Blogger SciVo August 23, 2016 7:18 AM  

@75 DK:

What a maroon! Really? It never occurred to him to ask why anyone would be a RP?

If there is a slate, it's because VD is a lightning rod for expression of disapproval with the status quo. This is so obvious I feel mad at having to explain it.

Anonymous JAG August 23, 2016 7:53 AM  

EscapeVelocity wrote:Emmanuel Goldstein has been expelled from World Con

My thoughts exactly. The next step is the Memory Hole.

Anonymous Darth Wheatley, bishes August 23, 2016 9:58 AM  

DK wrote:One of Scalzi's (McRapey's) recent blog posts (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2016/08/22/gum-on-the-shoe-of-history-or-why-the-hugos-are-still-not-destroyed/) illustrates two things:

1) Why Castalia House must succeed, and 2) Why I desire to be a published Castalia House author.


You know what? Screw it, I'm going to finish my second novel and pitch it to Castalia House. I'm going to do my part to make SF/F great again. Someone out there will enjoy my stories, and that's all that matters.

May God have mercy on my soul.

Blogger Fatherless August 23, 2016 12:33 PM  

When Vox decides to run his own con, I'll help. I truly wouldn't even know where to begin with something like thay and don't have the connections to make it happen. But I'd help someone who did. "Non-convergence Con... non-con?"

Anonymous Wat Tyler August 23, 2016 4:58 PM  

Dave wrote:Future panels will definitely require a Discomfort Alert Chart patterned after the US Homeland Security Advisory System Terror-Alert Chart.

GREEN:LOW - Low Risk of Discomfort

BLUE:GUARDED - General Risk of Discomfort

YELLOW:ELEVATED - Significant Risk of Discomfort

ORANGE:HIGH - Severe Risk of Discomfort

RED:SEVERE - Excessive Risk of Discomfort



Except that the SJW's insist all discomfort is subjective and personal so there's really no way to actually rank the panels except as all red, because everything offends them.

Blogger SultanOfSuede August 23, 2016 8:13 PM  

I was an avid sci-fi/fantasy reader, but the audio touches on something that caused me to drop this literature from my reading list. It's not original after a certain point. As a result, authors have to bring in more and more topical issues to keep the field alive. This invites SJW crap.

I wonder that the publication of thousands and thousands of works every year, there is any space left for original storytelling.

Maybe I have a short attention span, but I was bored to death by Game of Thrones by the second season. Porn is terribly boring after a certain age and I always thought the series represented a "proper, respectable" version of the porn that you can find on Breitbart in the ads sections. I even tried to read the first book but found McRapey to be dull as a writer. I've more or less stuck with classics or technical literature for the past few years.

Blogger Stephen St. Onge August 25, 2016 2:25 AM  

@41
That's pure horse shit.

The day before, I was at a panel on the 163x universe. The "moderator" was Eric Flint, who created said universe, and he spoke more than the rest of the panel combined. Probably twice as much more.

No one complained, because they liked listening to his explanation of the origin and development of the series and universe.

This is a pure attempt to shut down an opinion they disliked.

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