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Wednesday, August 03, 2016

Trolls go pro

Keoni Galt explains why certain trolls are incredibly persistent these days and why they keep showing up under different names:
In the case of Vox Day, he's certainly correct that trolls aren't really a problem on both his Vox Popoli and Alpha Game blogs, since he is quick to identify and ban any obvious trolls that appear in his prodigious and popular comment threads.

But while the obvious trolls are easily identified as unhinged ideologues and usually true believers in the $ocial Justice Warrior cause (indoctrinated liberal progressive adherents of cultural marxism -- useful idiots,) I believe the other, more insidious types of trolls, the paid shills and psy op agents are far more pervasive and common than honest to goodness "trolls." - a.k.a. stunted individuals looking for cheap thrills by being an asshole on teh Interwebz.

These shills are trained in tactics to generate a "desirable outcome" of promoting and reinforcing an established narrative, and they are paid for by shady business fronts laundering Government agency funds in service to a covert agenda of FedGov PsyOps, all to promote and reinforce PC establishment propaganda.

In other words, their exists an entire industry of cubicle farm-desk jockeys who get paid to do nothing more than sit in a boiler room styled setup at all hours and troll teh Interwebz.
This is another reason that the moderators and I don't hesitate to spam any commenter who exhibits any sign of being a troll-whore. How you can recognize these trolls for hire:
  1. It's usually a new name you haven't seen before, and often using a nomenclature that doesn't quite fit the blog regulars.
  2. They tend to be monomaniacal and only comment on certain specific topics. Lately, those are a) immigration and b) Trump.
  3. Their comments are pure rhetoric and are either triumphal or defeatist in tone.
  4. They don't pay any attention to dialectical responses, no matter how effectively their statements and arguments are addressed. They NEVER admit that they are wrong, even when it is clearly demonstrated.
  5. Unlike regular trolls, they don't get upset when they are spammed and banned. They just quietly disappear, then return under a different name spouting very similar statements.
  6. They post similar, or even identical, comments on other right-wing sites such as Steve Sailer's site or the Unz Review.
  7. They frequently have a written tic or some other tell that renders them readily recognizable.
How should you respond to them? By ignoring them. You are not helping when you engage with them, particularly when you attack them. That is exactly what they are seeking, to provoke some kind of reaction, any kind of reaction. Derailing the discourse is one of their top priorities, along with discrediting the primary blogger(s).

Just leave it to the moderators and I to handle them. We have various means at our disposal, from autovanishing comments with flagged words to spamming to simply deleting them as soon as they are posted. We've been doing this for a long time, most of the moderators are experienced and highly skilled in textual analysis, and it's easy for us to keep these troll-whores under tight control as long as the regular commenters don't fall for the bait and get in the way.

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Blogger The Kurgan August 03, 2016 7:27 PM  

It is impressive how armoured you are.

OpenID paworldandtimes August 03, 2016 7:32 PM  

Other likely traits of professional trolls:

- They use a common male first name as their handle

- They know that shaming or dialectic won't work on us so they make a few of the right noises and go for demoralization: "yeah, diversity sucks but nothing can be done about it."

- they are not rattled by skillful personal attacks, responding to them with calm amusement and remaining on message.

PA

Anonymous Dave August 03, 2016 7:34 PM  

leave it to the moderators and I to handle them. We have various means

Vox and the Mods: duking it out in cyberspace!

Blogger VD August 03, 2016 7:40 PM  

It is impressive how armoured you are.

It's not paranoia when they are actually out to get you. Best to be proactive.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker August 03, 2016 7:44 PM  

Sarcasm Alert: Always remember that the Department of Narrative Enforcement does not exist and that there is no such thing as a Narrative Control Agent.

Blogger Ceerilan August 03, 2016 7:53 PM  

So, in other words, don't feed the trolls.

Anonymous Dave August 03, 2016 7:56 PM  

only comment on certain specific topics. Lately, those are a) immigration and b) Trump.

I had my suspicions as did others that Henry/Harry Biggs was a paid shill. What say you?

Blogger VD August 03, 2016 7:58 PM  

I had my suspicions as did others that Henry/Harry Biggs was a paid shill. What say you?

He was. He was also Stiggins.

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 03, 2016 8:06 PM  

A year ago I would have considered the idea there are legions of paid trolls out there to be a bit far-fetched. But on slashdot (yeah, I'm old) recently there have been dozens of accounts that leap to Hillary's defense every time she's criticized. Not the way an actual Hillary fan would do it, but people (or a person using different accounts) clearly reading from the same script. The same points, in the same order. Never rude, never angry, but always disingenuous.

I believe it's an augmented descendant of "Correct The Record".

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 8:12 PM  

I thought the "Viking" fellow who claimed he was half Swedish and half English was a troll but most people took him seriously

Blogger Servant of the Chief August 03, 2016 8:16 PM  

Urge to shitpost: Rising.

I kid, but trolls are ubiqutous on the net, I cut my teeth on sites like Newgrounds, Deviantart and such when I was younger (I had delusions of being an animator) and while less so on those sites, there definitely is a culture among the content creators that banning people from commenting is seen as an act of intellectual cowardice, regardless of whether they were people challenging your positions or honest to God trolls. I've grown out of the habit to think that way and tend to let anybody comment on my stuff so long as it isn't outright posting porn, but there definitely is a tendency for content creators to simply ban people who disagree with them.

Sadly, its simply a fact that shilling is as popular and as profitable now as it has always been and on a medium that is nearly 100% idea on idea combat which the internet at its most basic is, paying to drown out voices is too tempting an option to ignore and whats worse, is it works.

Blogger Kristophr August 03, 2016 8:16 PM  

Soros actually had advertisements for paid troll in craigslist a few years ago. They were paying them $14 an hour in the San Jose area.

And yes, they spend all their time trying to de-rail constructive conversations in comments. If you make a particularly good comment, they pile in with niggling crap to derail immediately.

Blogger Meiji Man August 03, 2016 8:19 PM  

There's a story here. Any way of Tracking what IPs they come from?

That would show real power. Here's the IPs, tracked to this town, Here is the Building. Here is one of my Minions taking a picture of you headed to your car.

This is you sleeping...

Blogger Matthew August 03, 2016 8:20 PM  

Just don't respond to liars. I know it's hard to resist. But y'all can do it.

Blogger Matthew August 03, 2016 8:22 PM  

Meiji Man wrote:Any way of Tracking what IPs they come from?

Not relevant when the subject is paid operatives. It's trivial to use proxies or Tor.

The trolls I can identify using IP tracking are invariably the sincere and disturbed ones, not the shills.

Blogger John Dougan August 03, 2016 8:24 PM  

@9 "50 cent army" type trolling has been happenning on an international scale for quite awhile, and it's not just the SJW aligned with the professional trolls. https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20120220.aspx

Anonymous Dave August 03, 2016 8:26 PM  

Bob where have you been?

From Obama to ‘troll farms’: how social media is changing politics
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0db52286-a25b-11e5-8d70-42b68cfae6e4.html

Anonymous Be Not Afraid August 03, 2016 8:34 PM  

Excellent... More skulls to turn into drinking vessels for the Dark Lord's table.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 03, 2016 8:41 PM  

They troll their lives side as well. The oildrum lost 30% of its traffic once Obama was trouncing McCain and the paycheck was cut off

Their basic script was "shits bad need change" then they were gone

Anonymous Faceless August 03, 2016 8:41 PM  

andon wrote:I thought the "Viking" fellow who claimed he was half Swedish and half English was a troll but most people took him seriously

If he was Viking, Viking has a position already in the Dread Ilk hall of fame.

Blogger guest August 03, 2016 8:45 PM  

Ha Ha! 5/7 of these described me. I buy VD books though, so it's not like I'm making any money as a troll.

Blogger Jew613 August 03, 2016 8:45 PM  

Vox, approximately how many trolls are you having to ban per month?

Blogger weka August 03, 2016 8:50 PM  

The idea of these troll bots is to swamp signal with noise. Good blogs have good comments regulars and you read both. If they can swamp the comments with spam or sperg they win.

I note disqus sites have more noise. Whatever the mods do is lose to best practice. Hence Keoni's link to here.

Blogger weka August 03, 2016 8:50 PM  

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Blogger TarjaJu August 03, 2016 8:52 PM  

Another handy list to keep on the desk. I like how you recognise patterns about these people. I agree with #7, I've noted quite a few words these people tend to use.

Have you found similar patterns in job applications? Just curious.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 August 03, 2016 8:53 PM  

I think what is more alarming is that the Federal government is so insecure, that they have to pay people to be both crisis actors and professional Internet trolls.

Then again, they aren't being paid in money, but in Redbull and Internet access.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 8:55 PM  

20. Anonymous Faceless August 03, 2016 8:41 PM
andon wrote:
I thought the "Viking" fellow who claimed he was half Swedish and half English was a troll but most people took him seriously


If he was Viking, Viking has a position already in the Dread Ilk hall of fame.


oops

Anonymous Faceless August 03, 2016 8:57 PM  

@26

ARRA money was used to support payrolls at local governments and universities, and then these people, thus supported by taxpayer handouts and gimmedats, did such things as "Writing Women into Wikipedia" "volunteer" days - and those were some of the more honest uses of the federal misappropriated funds.

Anonymous 360 August 03, 2016 8:58 PM  

Where is the evidence of psy ops agents in forums? I have seen evidence of people paying people to Tweet in support of them (most recently Hillary paying people to Tweet), but the psy ops thing seems a bit too conspiracy theory to me.

Blogger Lazarus August 03, 2016 9:03 PM  

360 wrote:Where is the evidence of psy ops agents in forums? I have seen evidence of people paying people to Tweet in support of them (most recently Hillary paying people to Tweet), but the psy ops thing seems a bit too conspiracy theory to me.

Well, aren't YOU a suspicious character.

Blogger JDC August 03, 2016 9:06 PM  

Cis, white, entitled, privileged, thin, violent men. Did I mention white? White is super bad.

Do they get paid by the SJW buzz-word, or the reaction I wonder.

Blogger Pseudotsuga August 03, 2016 9:08 PM  

Now if we could only get rid of the paid trolls in the universities...

Blogger Robert What? August 03, 2016 9:11 PM  

Left wing blogs are different though. There you are a troll simply for questioning the narrative.

Blogger Brian S August 03, 2016 9:13 PM  

much like Trump, I suspect Vox isn't going to discuss the weapons and tactics at his disposal for dealing with trolls in great detail ;) I've been involved with a gaming clan for over 10 years now and we've had to deal with asshats now and then, our IT guy can find a surprising amount of info out when he's so inspired.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 9:14 PM  

29. Anonymous 360 August 03, 2016 8:58 PM
Where is the evidence of psy ops agents in forums? I have seen evidence of people paying people to Tweet in support of them (most recently Hillary paying people to Tweet), but the psy ops thing seems a bit too conspiracy theory to me.


I saw an article on it a few years ago and supposedly they hijack threads and try to push popular threads lower on the front page by responding to cold threads.

just like they try to push controversial search results off the first page - you can hire people to do this too

I saw a photo on twitter a few days ago where Israelis were supposedly doing this year round

Blogger SamuraiJack August 03, 2016 9:19 PM  

I wonder whar they pay those douches? I suspect being a NWO tool pays well with full benefits too. Part of their retirement package is losing their soul though. Heh, poor dumb bastards. They are without honor

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 9:19 PM  

34. Blogger Brian S August 03, 2016 9:13 PM
much like Trump, I suspect Vox isn't going to discuss the weapons and tactics at his disposal for dealing with trolls in great detail ;) I've been involved with a gaming clan for over 10 years now and we've had to deal with asshats now and then, our IT guy can find a surprising amount of info out when he's so inspired.


I think you can get a browser fingerprint as well as a machine fingerprint. especially if scripts are allowed to run. this is what the advertisement and tracking companies do.

https://panopticlick.eff.org/

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus August 03, 2016 9:20 PM  

VD, I assure you, I'm not a troll.

An ass, maybe, but not a troll.

Blogger dienw August 03, 2016 9:21 PM  

andon wrote:I thought the "Viking" fellow who claimed he was half Swedish and half English was a troll but most people took him seriously

Ialso am half English and half Swedish. And my English mother's maiden name derived from he Irish word for Viking.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 03, 2016 9:28 PM  

Well, a troll on any left of centre site is usually anyone who says something un-PC, especially if the appear to mean it!!

Or back their position up with the dreaded 'hate facts'.

Or heaven forbid, are unapologetic about their positions.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 03, 2016 9:31 PM  

SamuraiJack wrote:I wonder whar they pay those douches? I suspect being a NWO tool pays well with full benefits too. Part of their retirement package is losing their soul though. Heh, poor dumb bastards. They are without honor

In most cases not. As someone pointed out 14/hr in California sounds about right. You have to be skilled enough to search the internet and find the relevant topics. After that your masters feed you the talking points so skill level requirements overall are pretty low. If you happen to be of low skills beyond using a search engine and you either don't care about politics or are a true believer in the narrative it's probably not bad work. No one is getting rich off it though.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 9:32 PM  

@ #39 - yeah but I've seen you posting before, so I know you're not a troll

Anonymous Schultz August 03, 2016 9:32 PM  

Where is the evidence of psy ops agents in forums?

I see nothing. Nothing!

Blogger rcocean August 03, 2016 9:34 PM  

What about the people who always feed the trolls? Are they being paid too?

Blogger JDC August 03, 2016 9:40 PM  

An ass, maybe, but not a troll.

The lord saw fit to speak through the mouth of an ass at least once, perhaps he has done so again?

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 03, 2016 9:42 PM  

Dave wrote:Bob where have you been?

From Obama to ‘troll farms’: how social media is changing politics

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0db52286-a25b-11e5-8d70-42b68cfae6e4.html



Oh, I knew the Russians and the Chinese governments were doing it. The Saudis, too. But I don't think the Soros groups got into it in a big way until this year.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 03, 2016 9:43 PM  

Maybe VD, in a slow day, will post some stats on trolls; nothing that will reveal methods and resources.

Anonymous antipater_1 August 03, 2016 9:48 PM  

The 7 tell tail signs of the Soros paid troll that Vox lists are very good. There is a paid troll that posts comments here and at iSteve.com who goes by the following names that I know of:

Tiny Duck
Sick Duck
Josh Gold
Golden Flowers

Every comment that this troll makes is almost always the same.

Blogger Farnarkel of OZ August 03, 2016 9:48 PM  

This list has been out for a while in a number of sites..

http://www.nawe.co.uk/DB/in-the-media/seven-types-of-troll-a-spotters-guide.html

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 03, 2016 9:52 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:The oildrum lost 30% of its traffic once Obama was trouncing McCain and the paycheck was cut off

Their basic script was "shits bad need change" then they were gone

Wait a minute, not "theoildrum.com".  That one ran out of author steam and went to a static archive.  So what site are you talking about?

Robert What? wrote:Left wing blogs are different though. There you are a troll simply for questioning the narrative.
Lucianne.com must have been left-wing, then.  I got called a troll and a communist there almost as often as I got called a Nazi at left-wing sites in those days.  Aaah, good times....

Hmmm... there's got to be a market for a proxy that subtly alters your browser fingerprint for every connection.  Combined with ad and tracker blockers, you could make such tracking somewhere between a major headache and nigh-impossible.

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 9:53 PM  

Every time I come back to the internet today something big. Also Paris Bus firebomb today
http://pamelageller.com/2016/08/video-julian-assange-says-1700-emails-in-hillary-clintons-collection-proves-she-sold-weapons-to-isis-in-syria.html/

Blogger Cash August 03, 2016 9:55 PM  

So where does Tad fall?

Blogger SamuraiJack August 03, 2016 9:58 PM  

good point. i was giving them too much credit.they are likely not militarily trained in advanced psyop techniques. just low level jerks. either way, im glad vox fights em off

Anonymous patrick kelly August 03, 2016 10:10 PM  

I call em' the Meme Patrol.

Blogger Lazarus August 03, 2016 10:11 PM  

SamuraiJack wrote:good point. i was giving them too much credit.they are likely not militarily trained in advanced psyop techniques. just low level jerks. either way, im glad vox fights em off

Agent provocateurs were the old method of subversion. This new bunch are more worm-tongued.

Can't have much self-respect, and that will work itself out in various psychological pathologies in their personal life.

Pity them.

Anonymous Millenium August 03, 2016 10:17 PM  

@44: It depends. Mostly people are just stupid and fall for the trolls/shills but there actually shills who either work in tandem or use different names and have an 'argument' that completely derails the topic.

8chan, for example, is an anonymous message board but with temporary IDs based on IP. Before shills cottoned on to the ID system you would see them 'arguing' with themselves.

@46: (((Soros))) is just one of the (((men))) behind the curtain. His shills have been around for a while but they are becoming more and more blatant, to the point of parody almost, possibly in an effort to distract from the (((others))).

Blogger Matthew August 03, 2016 10:21 PM  

Cash wrote:So where does Tad fall?

Somewhere in NoCal.

Blogger Matthew August 03, 2016 10:23 PM  

So far as I can tell, Tad is in all actuality the (((syphilitic homosexual))) he originally purported to be.

Blogger lowercaseb August 03, 2016 10:29 PM  

it's easy for us to keep these troll-whores under tight control as long as the regular commentators don't fall for the bait and get in the way.

This is good knowledge and a comfortable rebuke...I'll admit to pushing the big shiny red button that their comments are from time to time even though I should know better.

Blogger Paul Lutgen August 03, 2016 10:34 PM  

Are they hiring? A jobs a job right? It's like working in collections you do what you got to do.

Blogger Bard August 03, 2016 10:36 PM  

Paid trolls. I never really thought about it. Makes sense though since people today form their opinions from Twatter feeds. Soundbite logic created solely for the emotional impact. I told a group of young soldiers at work the other day that Trump's rhetoric was very deliberate. They were Bernie supporters and didn't believe me. I asked them if they thought the upcoming debates would be more popular than the Super Bowl and they agreed. I then asked them if that was because people really wanted to listen to more Hillary or to see what Trump would say to her in person. They were a little surprised. Art of the Deal, folks.

Blogger Bard August 03, 2016 10:39 PM  

Be wary, if the trolls can survive the triggering it would create, they may start using names such as Big Gay Koran Burner to penetrate the defense.

Blogger Lazarus August 03, 2016 10:48 PM  

Bard wrote:Be wary, if the trolls can survive the triggering it would create, they may start using names such as Big Gay Koran Burner to penetrate the defense.

Pro-Trolls are not all that intelligent. That is why they have to whore themselves out as hacks.

Blogger Kona Commuter August 03, 2016 10:48 PM  

OFF TOPIC but breaking - Vault Co is back!!! vault-co.blogspot.com.au/

Blogger dh August 03, 2016 10:50 PM  

Online identity management is a growth industry. Professionals who do this have software packages from large intelligence vendors that helps manage your online traces. Aggressive use of VPN services, virtual machine segmentation, and software that will help catch any linguistic tells make it somewhat easier for dedicated operators to mask and fake an online identity that will provide non-repudiation.

But for your average paid trolls, it's just a numbers game.

Blogger Lazarus August 03, 2016 10:53 PM  

Confessions of a Paid Disinformation Internet Shill

This is the story of a man who, due to economically hard times, accepted a job as an internet disinformation shill. After only 6 months, he resigned as he was no longer was able to look himself in the mirror.
Confessions of a Paid Disinformation Shill

…..I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. ATS was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.

I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 11:03 PM  

Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.

I like that one

Blogger Jack Ward August 03, 2016 11:08 PM  

I would pay good money for a exhaustive 'troll' manual expanding greatly, if possible, on this posting by Vox.

Blogger Lazarus August 03, 2016 11:14 PM  

Jack Ward wrote:I would pay good money for a exhaustive 'troll' manual expanding greatly, if possible, on this posting by Vox.

Just allow your Spidey sense free rein. It is a natural survival technique.

Anonymous Difster August 03, 2016 11:26 PM  

I've been accused of being a paid troll before which is rather amusing. I'll tell you what though, the Dread Ilk can troll harder than anyone. Presently, there are about a dozen of us regularly trolling a Libertarian FB group. The group is filled with faux-Libertarians that are mostly just millenial SJWs that fancy themselves freedom fighters.

Over the course of about a month now, we've completely changed the narrative over there. People who would never have spoken up before are finding their voices and beating down those that were the loudest voices. The open borders idiots are getting their asses kicked on a daily basis, and not just by us.

The Kurgan and Rabbi B. have both been put in FB jail because of people reporting them. I've had several people beg the admins to ban me but, despite the fact that they're all women, have stood their ground and a few of them have been engaging us on our terms.

We really don't expect to change the minds of the real morons there, but we are seeing positive gains in people that never knew how to stand up for themselves before. In the last 2 weeks, I've had no less than 5 people admit to me they changed their positions.

One of the people there has recognized that they are being ganged up on but he only thinks there are 4 of us. Someone else said it's one person with several sock puppets.

Are we not entertained?

Blogger G-S. August 03, 2016 11:32 PM  

I troll this site occasionally. I offer up factual news and sound advice. I pretend to teach you here, and readers here pretend to learn.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 03, 2016 11:33 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Well, aren't YOU a suspicious character.

Beat me to it. Whatever it was.

Yes, stay out the way, but dang it's so much fun.

On and off topic- You are now most graciously permitted to attempt to make reparations for your crime of Existing While White-

http://www.reparations.me/#!about/cjg9
POC 5: I need a quiet place to work on _________.
White Person 5: "I have an office, spare room, house, that will be unoccupied on the following dates, would you like to use that space? I can send pictures ..."

POC 6: I want to scream and cuss at someone.
White Person 6: "I volunteer as tribute. How do we set this up?"

POC 7: I want to escape this cruel world in a *Specific Videogame* but can't afford it on Steam right now. This is not a crisis, I just don't trust people easily and want to see if this works.
White Person 7: Thank you for giving me the chance to do something concrete and relatively easy. I was quietly hating myself for doing nothing.


Back sort-of on topic, trolling trolls-
http://www.reparations.me/#!troll-slayers/q9g25
This is odd. The numbers look fake. Too many $19.12s, 19s, 18s, 48s, etc. Statistically improbable. On the other hand, this might be an sjwlist.com resource.

Blogger Jon M August 03, 2016 11:51 PM  

They are poisoning the wells and streams and whole ocean with this nonsense. Yesterday a Twatter hag accysed me of being a shill in response to a milktoast pro-Trump statement.

Vox's chlorine can only help restore the balance.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 03, 2016 11:56 PM  

The Funding Fathers died for Soros' right to spam this blog.

Blogger dh August 04, 2016 12:01 AM  

> They are poisoning the wells and streams and whole ocean with this nonsense. Yesterday a Twatter hag accysed me of being a shill in response to a milktoast pro-Trump statement.

I have deeply, deeply enjoyed screening SJW's out of my hiring for the last 2 years. Luckily, Twitter, FaceBook, Tumblr, Reddit, and a few other sources make it very, very, very easy for me to filter them out. Most of the idiots post links to their own garbage.

I had one candidate who was closing in on an offer. When it was close to his drug test day, he started posting on his Facebook for sources of clean urine. His public Facebook profile, that was linked from his Twitter profile, which was on his resume and job application.

Another candidate who was also doing quite well, "happens to be black" (a stitch lighter than Obama, I'd say) was a fairly prominent BLM activist. From his Twitter, he probably spent 5-6 hrs a day responding to people and pushing narrative, and frequently dropped in on hot button protests around the country. I enjoyed that one.

Trolling is also a good indicator. I don't mind people who are happy to get into it online with people, but it has to be done in a way that's congruent with a working person. If I see signs it's too obsessive or too compulsive I think long and hard.

I have always had above average hiring results, but the way newer generations are sharing online, it makes it absolutely trivial to really do deep intelligence work on potential hires. I can eliminate so many more things that might go wrong before ever hiring a candidate now, it's great.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 04, 2016 12:08 AM  

dh wrote:I had one candidate who was closing in on an offer. When it was close to his drug test day, he started posting on his Facebook for sources of clean urine. His public Facebook profile, that was linked from his Twitter profile, which was on his resume and job application.

It's not the drug use, it's the fraud. And almost as bad- it's the incompetence. If you're going to be a cheat, at least be good at what you do.

Blogger olaf lee August 04, 2016 12:18 AM  

The nice thing about the interwebs....you can say what you want and how you want to say it. If you own the site you can curb stomp an troll and not go to jail. Troll stew for dinner. Anyone hungry?

Anonymous andon August 04, 2016 12:21 AM  

78. Blogger olaf lee August 04, 2016 12:18 AM
The nice thing about the interwebs....you can say what you want and how you want to say it.


did you read #76?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 04, 2016 12:28 AM  

andon wrote:did you read #76?
Well, yes, stoopid people will not realize that there could be anything objectionable about their 8 hours a day of virtue signalling, or that it might me a bad idea to commit open fraud against a potential employer.
Hell, Millenials often don't even realize there's a privacy problem.

Blogger olaf lee August 04, 2016 12:48 AM  

Read it and completely agree. Some people don't need curb stomping...they run right up and jump face first into the curb without any assistance. You can't fix stupid.

Blogger olaf lee August 04, 2016 12:55 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Well, yes, stoopid people will not realize that there could be anything objectionable about their 8 hours a day of virtue signalling, or that it might me a bad idea to commit open fraud against a potential employer.

Hell, Millenials often don't even realize there's a privacy problem.


There is no privacy problem. For some reason they think the world cares about what they are wearing, eating, drinking and doing. Its a sad statement of how little they do without checking to see who comments and likes what they post.

Blogger Thucydides August 04, 2016 1:31 AM  

The key difference between things like the Russian Troll Army or the Israeli "Twitter platoon" and the sorts of trolls people like Vox deal with is the Troll army and Twitter platoon are military units designed to serve a national strategy, while most of the other troll factories are political units designed to serve their particular political masters.

I'm not sure if there is a right wing version of the troll army, although I suspect that real right wingers have too much self respect to be parroting talking points the way the Progressives do, preferring to do their own thinking and arguing for themselves.

Effectively this is like taking a unit of snipers to fend off a human wave attack, you can certainly get a few, but overall you are going to be outgunned and overmatched (the signal to noise ration is unfavourable). Question; is there a Right Wing troll army to attack left wing sites, and if not, why not? Of course if project Fork has even half the effect Vox is implying, maybe we have more effective tools at our disposal.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 04, 2016 1:41 AM  

Thucydides wrote:Question; is there a Right Wing troll army to attack left wing sites, and if not, why not?
I suspect that there are already AI lexical analyzers and phrase generators capable of flooding left-wing sites with refutations of everything they say, with links to hard data.

What amazes me is that these things are not in widespread use yet!  What are they WAITING for?!

Blogger dh August 04, 2016 2:05 AM  

> What amazes me is that these things are not in widespread use yet! What are they WAITING for?!

Because there's no point. People don't change their mind much. People are rarely swayed even by rhetoric, let alone AI driven dialectic.

Example:

The entire European refugee crisis could have been handled in the traditional way that anyone would have used to deal with it >100 years ago. You spool up your Navy, put them to see, and sink anything that comes near your shores. Or if you are a nice guy, you scuttle the ships, put the passengers on a quarantine island for six weeks, then return them on a bigger ship back where they came from.

Sinking 10-20 refugee ships in rapid succession would have sent the message, and stopped the flow by sea. Incidentally, it would minimize the loss of life from the increased risk-taking. This is known. This is why nations have had put young people to sea, for a thousand years. To repeal invaders. It is known. It is a fact. It works.

But you will never get a globalist leftist bleeding heart type to agree to sink some refugee vessels, killing some refugees, to save more life. They can never see past the end of their nose.

I can cite every successful naval invasion repulsion from Naupactus to Trafalgar, and it will not make a single quantum of damn of difference.

Blogger dh August 04, 2016 2:24 AM  

> It's not the drug use, it's the fraud. And almost as bad- it's the incompetence. If you're going to be a cheat, at least be good at what you do.

Discretion. Exactly.

I had a long, long, long-term employee, a real model guy. As far as I knew, he was the proverbial nice guy. Pretty good looking, took care of himself, worked really hard but never went crazy with it. Solid software engineer team player. Good output.

He got sick a little bit out the blue, and passed away not long after. Pancreatic cancer. A few of his co-workers boxed up things to bring to his home, which no one had ever been to, or seen, or even heard him talk about.

We knew he didn't have much family, but he didn't have ANY family. His apartment, which a neighbor let his co-workers into, was spartan, but what it had were really high-end things from many foreign countries. At his funeral service, there were an uncanny number of very attractive, very young, very well dressed women, all weeping real tears. For his co-workers and his management, it was really odd.

After, talking to one young lady, I finally just had to ask. Girlfriend, ex-wife, what was the story?

And it all came out. Dave was a long-time "hobbyist" - extremely high-end call-girls, delivering the "girlfriend experience", traveling to all corners of the earth, low-maintenance, high-value women, on demand, for the whole 10+ years he worked in the same job. At the end he was making $175k a year with bonuses. His apartment was "nice", but small, in a low-cost suburb. Nice but older luxury import car, no other toys. It all made sense. He always came back from vacation sounding, looking and acting like a million bucks. Every quarter for 10 years he took a week, and went some place awesome, with a girlfriend or two.

Pretty sure he had at least 3 girls on the hook before he got sick. Easy to live frugally but spend $10k a month on escorts and travel and fine things and bring back a nice trophy for the memory.

Discretion. Competence. No bullshit family drama. If I wasn't Christian, it's unquestionably something I'd think about. I'd hire a whole company full of Dave's if I could find them.

Blogger The Kurgan August 04, 2016 2:59 AM  

VD
Wasn't even thinking in the antechamber of my mind that any paranoia was involved. Meant exactly what I said. I was admiring the armour.

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 04, 2016 3:31 AM  

So their solution to anti-immigration sentiment is to send hostile invaders into the comment sections.

Sounds consistent.

Blogger residentMoron August 04, 2016 4:32 AM  

@86

It's a good story. Such a life has its attractions, for sure. Also its costs. If one is a materialist, then such a person has failed the one task every living thing supposedly has indelibly etched in our DNA: reproduction.

(Given the popularity of childless child murder, one has to wonder if that conclusion can be supported by data, but that's a whole 'nother argument.)

If one is a Christian, then one has failed the one task we're given for this life; qualify for the next.

Either way, it's a costly choice. I see why people make it; I dallied with similar ideas myself as a rebellious young man.

But I truly believe it is an act of resignation, an admission that one is never going to have what he really wants, so he will settle for something less rewarding and correspondingly less challenging.

Can't recall how we got from trolls to here. C'est la vie.

Blogger Alec Rawls August 04, 2016 8:19 AM  

Internet trolling by armies of paid government left wing psyops trolls was a primary policy objective of Obama's "regulatory czar" Cass Sunstein, who I often describe as "the most illiberal man to ever call himself liberal." The trolling job seems to have been farmed out to the Soros-funded Media Matters group. Top Obama insiders were exposed a couple of years ago for having lengthy meetings with Media Matters managers every day to coordinate messaging and strategy.

We know that MediaMatters has been doing more than just just spinning media coverage. We know they are also trolling because internet trolling was Sunstein's Big Idea. He was writing extensively about the desirability of having government work at the micro level to disrupt non-leftist "echo chambers." It was an explicit conspiracy to suppress political rights to free association, and Sunstein was given plenipotentiary power to pursue it. That was the meaning of the "czar" label. Obama ordered everyone to obey Sunstein in whatever he wanted. He was above all the cabinet members.

But as Vox notes, the leftist ideologues that fill the Sunstein-MediaMatters shop are easily identifiable by their total ignorance and inability to actually formulate any kind of argument on any subject. They come in only knowing that their job--their paid job--is to sow disaffection and distrust, for which they don't need to know anything. Half the time they are just commenting that non-left-wing authors must be "off their meds" or some other vacuous rat dropping.

You know you've got rats when you see the rat droppings. They never make any kind of substantive criticism because they have no substance. These are the stupidest most ignorant people in the world. That is why they are leftists.

Anonymous Avalanche August 04, 2016 8:40 AM  

@32 "Now if we could only get rid of the paid trolls in the universities..."

Neutron bomb?

Anonymous andon August 04, 2016 9:25 AM  

83. Anonymous Mr. Rational August 04, 2016 1:41 AM
Thucydides wrote:
Question; is there a Right Wing troll army to attack left wing sites, and if not, why not?

I suspect that there are already AI lexical analyzers and phrase generators capable of flooding left-wing sites with refutations of everything they say, with links to hard data.

What amazes me is that these things are not in widespread use yet! What are they WAITING for?!


I've heard of something like this but who has the access to it or $$$ for it? only govt?

current admin was caught flooding congressmen with fake tweets and emails back around 2012 iirc, so there is app no level the left wont stoop to. lies and manipulation are nothing to them

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 04, 2016 9:56 AM  

dh wrote:You spool up your Navy, put them to see, and sink anything that comes near your shores.
And the hordes marching overland could have been disposed of easily with a few well-timed mortar barrages with infantry doing the mopping-up with rifles.  Within hours the hordes would have been marching back.  That assumes that the leaders wanted to repel the invasion.

I'm talking about the wars of words.

Anonymous Tad August 04, 2016 12:04 PM  

Troll = a commenter who expresses disagreement with the dominant opinion or opinion of the publisher of a website.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 04, 2016 1:14 PM  

Thucydides wrote:Question; is there a Right Wing troll army to attack left wing sites, and if not, why not?

It's the fundamental difference between the leftist (collectivist) mentality and the individual. The leftist rabbit will do anything, anything, to be acknowledged because they know what snivelling creeps they are so their self-worth is 100% dependent on what other people think of them.

For them, parroting msm talking points for pennies is worth it because they are doing the "right thing", "being on the right side of history" etc..., and their little boy parts get a bit chubby at the thought that a stranger might like them.

No individual would so demean themselves so and you couldn't pay enough to tweet to make it worthwhile for a normal person to do it.

One must value their time/existence as close to zero to accept to do soros' dirty work for what he pays; these people are leftist by definition. Most antifa are just in it to get enough money for their next heroin fix.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 04, 2016 1:16 PM  

Oh, and Shut Up Tad!

Blogger Earl August 04, 2016 2:52 PM  

Textual analysis!

It still blows my mind how very possible it is to determine the race, sex, and "sexual orientation" of someone on the Internet who you've never seen. I was raised to believe the exact opposite.

Either I've been arguing with the same gay fag using multiple handles accross the Internet for about 7 years now, or almost all homos use the same arguments and thinking and we always come to the same climax.

(If you just snickered you're probably gay)

Blogger Eggmunkee N August 04, 2016 3:00 PM  

Meiji Man wrote:There's a story here. Any way of Tracking what IPs they come from?

That would show real power. Here's the IPs, tracked to this town, Here is the Building. Here is one of my Minions taking a picture of you headed to your car.

This is you sleeping...


That may work for "work from home" types, but a more professional work building will probably have a proxy or some infrastructure to hide the source of the paid trolls I'm guessing. I think the "astroturfing" has gone on for a least a few Presidential cycles now, so I wouldn't think it was Mom and Pop style businesses. That would be an amateur mistake I think.

Blogger LurkingPuppy August 04, 2016 4:03 PM  

Shut up rabbit wrote:Oh, and Shut Up Tad!
It's a parody. Just like ‘#ImWithHer’ recently, and ‘Gaylen McSteinberg’ or whatever a few days ago. Which would be fine once in a while, except that people ignore the (((name))) and respond as if they're real comments.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 04, 2016 5:05 PM  

@29 360
Where is the evidence of psy ops agents in forums? I have seen evidence of people paying people to Tweet in support of them (most recently Hillary paying people to Tweet), but the psy ops thing seems a bit too conspiracy theory to me.
---

Obviously we have here a human animal hybrid clone typing from an underground cya bunker. I've also noted increasing UFO sightings when the trolls change shifts.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 04, 2016 5:10 PM  

@48 antipater_1

Sad Cuck and Golden Showers make their rounds here every once in a while. They usually get their ass handed to them and go back to their troll lair with a chapped hide.

Blogger Unknown August 04, 2016 8:22 PM  

Popular blogs are not that different to the average MSM autocracy. Old habits, new rules. Both seek to silence those who don't play in precisely the right way. Yet this is a Sigma strategy. To attempt to silence him is to pay him homage - it says his arguments are hard to answer and impossible to ignore. He doesn't care. He care because, as Cernovich says, he is dead already. Cernovich and his blogger kin are trolls to the MSM. Same habits. Different perspectives.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 05, 2016 4:03 AM  

Unknown wrote:Cernovich and his blogger kin are trolls to the MSM. Same habits. Different perspectives.

How the hell is a man building a successful platform which challenges the liars in msm in any way the same as a dumb self-hating, gamma, shit-stain cuck taking pennies from Soros and his vile kin to troll sites that ignore the msm talking points?

IRL that is know as "the opposite"

What's next? How black is really white... seriously, get help or get off the internet.

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