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Saturday, August 20, 2016

Truesdale expelled from Worldcon

This is truly incredible. MidAmericaCon II expelled Dave Truesdale, the editor of Tangent Online, because he expressed views concerning the state of science fiction with which the SF-SJWs disagreed:“
Dave Truesdale’s membership was revoked because he violated MidAmeriCon II’s Code of Conduct. Specifically, he caused ‘significant interference with event operation and caused excessive discomfort to others.'”
Even hardcore SF-SJWs such as Jim Hines and Charles Stross find this difficult to believe. Hines wrote this before the MidAmericaCon II tweet:
I’m not at Worldcon. I didn’t see first-hand what happened on this panel. (I have read multiple reports from folks in the audience and others on the panel.) It does sound like Truesdale acted like an ass, derailed the panel, and pissed off a lot of people who wanted to, you know, talk about the state of short fiction.
As you might have guessed, I have thoughts about all this…
  • Who the hell thought it was a good idea to put Dave Truesdale in charge of this panel? He’s been doing these rants for years, if not decades. How can the convention turn around and pretend to be shocked by his pearl-clutching derail when that’s pretty much who he is and what he’s known for?
  • I’ve seen panel derails and blow-ups before. People have gotten into shouting matches, walked off of panels, and so on. I’ve never heard of someone being kicked out of the con for it. (Not invited back as a panelist, sure. Kicked out? Maybe it’s happened, but it’s not a practice I’m aware of.)
  • Right now, we have only Truesdale’s post about him being kicked out. It’s possible there’s more to this than just his ridiculous behavior on that panel.
  • As Truesdale has gone public with this, I hope Worldcon will issue a statement clarifying why he was expelled from the convention, and whether he violated convention policies either on the panel or elsewhere.
  • ETA: From the Worldcon Code of Conduct: “MidAmeriCon II reserves the right to revoke membership from and eject anyone at any time from a MidAmeriCon II event without a refund. Any action or behavior that … adversely affects MidAmeriCon II’s relationship with its guests, its venue, or the public is strictly forbidden and may result in revocation of membership privileges.“
  • I think we’ve all seen people derail panels for their own personal agendas. Truesdale’s moderation might have been an epic shitshow, but is it grounds for expulsion?
Like I said, we don’t have all the facts on this. Just people’s comments on the panel, and Truesdale’s own account of why he was kicked out. But it sounds like a mess. 
Charles Stross even points out that "derailing a panel" is hardly unknown:
I suspect there’s more to this than meets there eye.

Derailing a panel isn’t that unusual; and while I could see Programming quietly telling a disruptive panelist that they’re not required on any subsequent panels, that’s as far as I’d *expect* it to go. (And that would be a real pain in the neck for Programming because then they’d potentially have to find a bunch of substitutes at very short notice.)

Kicking him out of the convention completely is much more serious and I suspect there must have been some sort of face-to-face harassment incident. But as various folks have noted on twitter, MidAmeriCon say they can’t comment further, so unless the target of such an incident feels like speaking out we’re not going to find out any more.

(Truesdale has been an “anti-PC” gadfly and general nuisance presence on the net for a long time — I remember crossing swords with him on the Asimov’s reader fora back in the late 90s/early 00s before they turned into an utter cesspit no sane human would go near — and my impression is that he’s been getting more outspoken over the years.)
Except, of course, there wasn't. This was pure SJW thought-policing. The badthink must be expelled! Racist! Sexist! Homophobic! The Name of the Narrative compels you! This demonstrates why one should never get involved with any organization that has a Code of Conduct. They are nothing but weaponized SJWism.

We'll discuss this and more at the Rabid Puppies Hugo Party 2016 tonight. Dave, if you're reading this, please feel free to stop by.

The SJWs are getting nervous about having their Narrative about Dave Truesdale's expulsion from Worldcon punctured:
We might not get a chance to hear the audio of the panel. Panelist Jonathan Strahan posted this on Facebook to Dave Truesdale: “Dave, while I felt we had cordial communications on the panel yesterday, and while I tried at every point to treat you with respect and civility, I would point out that I was unaware that you were recording the panel, and that I do not consent to it being distributed publicly. I hope you will respect my request and not do so. Best, Jonathan.”
Oh, I rather suspect everyone will. This is why you ALWAYS record SJWs. Because, well, you know what they always do.

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130 Comments:

Anonymous Rawle Nyanzi August 20, 2016 4:21 PM  

Saw it coming a mile away. The aim is to publicly embarrass anyone who even thinks of disagreeing with SJW ideology.

Anonymous tublecane August 20, 2016 4:21 PM  

"who wanted to, you know, talk about the state of short fiction"

Isn't rampant political correctness part of the state of short fiction? You could say he "derailed the panel" without straying from the topic, so why pretend as if he strayed from the topic?

Why not also say he acted like an ass, just to pile on? Oh, you did.

Blogger Dave August 20, 2016 4:23 PM  

Yes, c'mon Dave give us 5 minutes.

Anonymous Rawle Nyanzi August 20, 2016 4:25 PM  

Isn't rampant political correctness part of the state of short fiction?

From what I understand, the short fiction market is not doing well at all and won't improve any time soon. I wonder where all this "short fiction renaissance" talk is coming from.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2016 4:27 PM  

"Even hardcore SF-SJWs such as Jim Hines and Charles Stross find this difficult to believe."

Who the hell thought they wouldn't? They've been clutching their pearls doing these disqualify and deplatform rants for years, if not decades. How can Jim and Charles turn around and pretend to be shocked by their pearl-clutching ouster of Dave when that’s pretty much who they are and what they're known for?

Blogger VD August 20, 2016 4:28 PM  

They're suddenly realizing that their act has been coopted by people even more insane and mentally unstable than they are... and they might be next.

Anonymous B2000 August 20, 2016 4:28 PM  

I'm shocked at the overwhelming lack of Genuine Racial Diversity at these cons.

1. Crowdfund a pool of 1000 tickets to next years con
2. Distribute 500 to Vibrant Inner City Youth
3. Distribute 500 to Mosques in the Area, complete with what Authors Actually Believe
4. Watch the beautiful and harmonious peace that arises from cultures coming together at what will finally be a truly diverse Convention.
5. Anything they try to do to police cultural behaviour is, obviously, racism.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 20, 2016 4:35 PM  

I don't know anything about Sci-Fi publications, I know nothing about WorldCon. All I know is what you guys describe and nothing more BUT what is up with these folks who expelled the dude? That "ish" is KRAY-KRAY! I understand that SJWs are wack in the head but DAYUM! Expelling dude was..... I cannot find the words at this moment in time.

I need a drink AND a cigarette. This is mad crazy!

Anonymous Coal fired brisket August 20, 2016 4:37 PM  

Does Midamericacon 3 need a disrespectful nod?

Anonymous Alice De Goon August 20, 2016 4:38 PM  

Did someone film this panel and all of the shenanigans that occurred while it was going on? It would be nice to be able to compare the "OMG! He morphed into Hitler right before our very eyes and started pushing Jews into ovens!" accounts of the SJWs with the video of what actually happened. (I suspect we would see Dave acting in a relatively calm and firm way and the SJWs Trigglyhuffing and puffing. As usual.)

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 4:38 PM  

4. Rawle Nyanzi August 20, 2016 4:25 PM
I wonder where all this "short fiction renaissance" talk is coming from.


if you had a sophisticated intellectual palate, your panties would have gotten wet when you read "If You Were A Dinosaur, My Love".

lack of said panty wetting is merely evidence of your inferior and regressive weltanschauung and lack of Confucian nuance.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2016 4:40 PM  

@VD: "They're suddenly realizing that . . .they might be next."

Sometimes ya just gotta pick up a tubafour and get the donkey's attention first.

If only Gamergaters had a sense of irony we might even be amused by it.

Anonymous Alsos August 20, 2016 4:41 PM  

More WorldCon fun - Literally Wu is invited, predictably finds trivial molehill to mountain, entirely foreseeable drama ensues:
https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/767051924407451648

Notice the tweet about "a TG friend" - subtly implying Brianna isn't a transgender. Wu knew?

Bonus comment: Wu approves of outlawing certain "attitudes":
https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/767054707965788160

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 20, 2016 4:43 PM  

@#7.

That would be truly hilarious. Shitavious and his homies walkin' on in, followed by the Moose-Limb armies. Maybe invite some Aztecs as well, especially some Zetas or MS-13 types. So here's the question:

What percentile of the Pink-SFW rabbit-warren would be willing to offer their lives on the altar of the Golden Dindu of Equality if Shitavious, Latrina, Moo-ham-med, Carlos Cucuaracha and the others from Banana Empire's patrician class demanded it of them? Betcha most of the goyim would bow down, while the (((tribe))) would find a way to take credit for their sacrifice while walking away without a scratch, along with the few of the more dedicated hustlers like McRapey.

Blogger VD August 20, 2016 4:46 PM  

Did someone film this panel and all of the shenanigans that occurred while it was going on?

It was recorded. The audio will be available soon. Transcripts as well, most likely.

Blogger VoodooJock August 20, 2016 4:48 PM  

So we can expect the trigglypuff's of that world expelled when they derail a panel?

I'll expect that'll happen right after a team made up of nuns wins the Super Bowl.

Anonymous tublecane August 20, 2016 4:49 PM  

@4-I've never heard such tall, but it's safe to assume it's advertising.

Anonymous Hooc Ott August 20, 2016 4:50 PM  

I emailed Mr. Truesdale asking him for a copy of or link to his speech.

He said he would post on his site http://www.tangentonline.com/ and on his facebook https://www.facebook.com/dave.truesdale2

Bad news being he said it might take a week before he does.

Good news is he said he has a recording of it.

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon August 20, 2016 4:52 PM  

What's the deal with the gender neutral restroom(s) at the con? Is it another case of only one of them being designated gender neutral (a la the DNC), or a renaming of the standard family restroom, or redefinition of the standard single-occupancy restrooms?

I've seen bars with two single-occupancy restrooms where one is labelled for male/female and the other is only for females ... totally imbalanced.

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 4:53 PM  

SpaceKatFAGGOT
Well, actually, we DO Now have discrimination laws that prohibit these ancient, hurtful attitudes.


ancient being 2015, before his Holiness the Golden Nigger Obama declared that Constitutional law be changed by Presidential edict.

Blogger lowercaseb August 20, 2016 4:54 PM  

damn...same day deliveries need to become more common as I would LOVE to send Dave a bottle of some very nice Bourbon for his actions above and beyond the call of duty.

He needs to save that email, print it out, make it into a cast and wear it like a medal.

Anonymous tublecane August 20, 2016 4:54 PM  

@10-I don't need to see what happened. We all know they freaked out on him, and are now punishing him as if it had been the other way around.

Anonymous DK August 20, 2016 4:56 PM  

Charles Stross is definitely a SJW even though he is not on the SJW list. Maybe not as much of a SJW as John Scalzi or Jim C. Hines, but one nonetheless. I've seen a few statements on his blog that would qualify him as such.

Blogger Bard August 20, 2016 4:56 PM  

The power of the narrative compels you. That made me laugh.

Blogger Bard August 20, 2016 4:58 PM  

Meme that with the priest from the exorcist slinging holy water and holding a crucifix

Blogger Nate August 20, 2016 4:58 PM  

"Specifically, he caused ‘significant interference with event operation and caused excessive discomfort to others.'”"

Translation:

He gave mindhurt and feelbad. Also cruel.

Blogger kh123 August 20, 2016 4:58 PM  

"I suspect there must have been some sort of face-to-face harassment incident."

The real question is whether any wedding photography or baking came into play. Or pizza - which given this crowd, may be a very real danger.

But once these are ruled out, any Freedom Of Association exercised was quite alright.

Blogger Timmy3 August 20, 2016 4:59 PM  

With enough getting kicked out, time to form a new free speech con, but what's the fun in that.

Blogger Krul August 20, 2016 5:00 PM  

"caused excessive discomfort to others."

LOL. Pussies.

Blogger Bard August 20, 2016 5:01 PM  

WTF is ecsessive discomfort?

Blogger lowercaseb August 20, 2016 5:05 PM  

DK wrote:Charles Stross is definitely a SJW even though he is not on the SJW list.

Oh yeah...it's evident in his work as well, but he's never tried to get someone disemployed.

However, he needs to be ridden out of Sci-Fi town on a rail by ruining interesting weird fiction ideas with asinine characters and his criminal inability to construct an ending to his stories.

Stross is one of the reasons I started paying attention to the puppies.

Blogger Krul August 20, 2016 5:06 PM  

Bard wrote:WTF is ecsessive discomfort?

It's what a normal, healthy person feels when seeing or hearing SJWs. Especially the fat, whiny, androgynous, rainbow-haired variety.

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 5:08 PM  

only because football is always on topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWmQbk5h86w

Blogger lowercaseb August 20, 2016 5:08 PM  

Bard wrote:WTF is ecsessive discomfort?

More than "Just the tip" of a differing opinion.

Anonymous Paul Ramirez August 20, 2016 5:12 PM  

The left is eating their own and destroying themselves. Can't help it but sit back and laugh.

Anonymous Godfrey August 20, 2016 5:14 PM  

LMAO

I'm a proud heretic... f@#* the narrative.

Blogger Jack Aubrey August 20, 2016 5:18 PM  

@7 Next year's con is in Helsinki so there might be a shortage of dindu youth; should be able to round up sufficient muslims though.

Blogger Dave August 20, 2016 5:19 PM  

They're suddenly realizing that their act has been coopted by people even more insane and mentally unstable than they are... and they might be next.

Will this have a chilling effect on the caliber of panelists that are willing to partipate in the future?

Anonymous Takin' a Look August 20, 2016 5:21 PM  

"They're suddenly realizing that their act has been coopted by people even more insane and mentally unstable than they are... and they might be next."

Seems....Problematic... doesn't it?
We'll shed a single tear...








...in collective, snickering mirth.

Anonymous Godfrey August 20, 2016 5:27 PM  

Ladies, gentlemen, colleagues and fellow heretics, let me be the first to congratulate Dave Truesdale on his accomplishment.

I'm truly in awe of the award he just received. I consider it the most esteemed and prestigious award given out this year. Congratulations Mr. Truesdale. Well done.

Anonymous Steve August 20, 2016 5:52 PM  

They're suddenly realizing that their act has been coopted by people even more insane and mentally unstable than they are... and they might be next.

Worldcon has finally gone Full WisCon.

Hard to imagine the likes of Heinlein, Asimov or Ellison being welcome there these days.

Blogger pyrrhus August 20, 2016 6:01 PM  

Gotta love it, the mask comes off, over nothing...commies gotta commie, even when a little common sense would serve them so much better...

Anonymous Rawle Nyanzi August 20, 2016 6:03 PM  

if you had a sophisticated intellectual palate, your panties would have gotten wet when you read "If You Were A Dinosaur, My Love".

lack of said panty wetting is merely evidence of your inferior and regressive weltanschauung and lack of Confucian nuance.


Understood, bob k. mando. I shall report to my local re-education center at once! My wrongthink must be purged. :)

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 20, 2016 6:15 PM  

From what I understand, the short fiction market is not doing well at all and won't improve any time soon. I wonder where all this "short fiction renaissance" talk is coming from.

The Renaissance is in the number of writers, not the number of readers. This reminds me of academic poetry, where professors write poetry nobody wants to read. Periodically they get together to promote their own stuff and lie about reading what other people have written.

Anonymous a_peraspera August 20, 2016 6:17 PM  

"Derail"...that just means he went off script right?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 20, 2016 6:18 PM  

Audio recording should be very interesting to listen to. Video if available would be even better.

Got do wonder, did any of the MidameriCon honchos read The Three Body Problem? If so, did they pay attention to the first few chapters?

It's almost as if they live mainly to prove both Santayana and Hegel 's famous observations about history to be correct.

OpenID randkoch August 20, 2016 6:19 PM  

DK wrote:Charles Stross is definitely a SJW even though he is not on the SJW list. Maybe not as much of a SJW as John Scalzi or Jim C. Hines, but one nonetheless. I've seen a few statements on his blog that would qualify him as such.

It's a trick to make the rest of the SJWs suspicious of him, like in The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 20, 2016 6:20 PM  


The Renaissance is in the number of writers, not the number of readers.


In different context that is called "pushing on a string".

Anonymous Wat Tyler August 20, 2016 6:24 PM  

VD wrote:They're suddenly realizing that their act has been coopted by people even more insane and mentally unstable than they are... and they might be next.

On target.

Blogger praetorian August 20, 2016 6:29 PM  

They're suddenly realizing that their act has been coopted by people even more insane and mentally unstable than they are... and they might be next.

Pounded in the cognitive dissonance by their own cognitive dissonance...

WE ALL NAZIS NAOW.

Anonymous Wyrd August 20, 2016 6:29 PM  

I remember crossing swords with him...

Keke. In your fantasies, buddy-pal-guy.

Anonymous Rawle Nyanzi August 20, 2016 6:31 PM  

The Renaissance is in the number of writers, not the number of readers. This reminds me of academic poetry, where professors write poetry nobody wants to read. Periodically they get together to promote their own stuff and lie about reading what other people have written.

Well that's rather backwards. Maybe it's because novels require too much effort.

"Derail"...that just means he went off script right?

SJWs usually classify disagreement as either impoliteness, mental illness, or bigotry.

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2016 6:32 PM  

"Audio recording should be very interesting to listen to. Video if available would be even better."

Since they can't help but make our point for us, I suspect that the audio will make any video taken by the audience surface, to put the audio "in context."

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 6:32 PM  

50. praetorian August 20, 2016 6:29 PM
WE ALL NAZIS NAOW.



i thought for sure you were going to go with "cognitive dissonance rape".

Anonymous Gecko August 20, 2016 6:35 PM  

Is this an indicator that the voting didn't go well? As in, they're super pissed right now and need to take it out on someone?

Anonymous kfg August 20, 2016 6:38 PM  

Cognitive dissonance surprise butt love is real!

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare August 20, 2016 6:45 PM  

Oh good. I can't wait to hear the truth about Mr. Truesdale's "evil, monstrous, double-plus-ungood" behavior. I anticipate a great deal of laughter, salted with a pinch of disgust at the wretchedness of the SJW's involved. I'll make the popcorn! :-)

Blogger Noah B August 20, 2016 6:49 PM  

@55 That sounds very plausible. Also the younger SJWs may have thought this was good strategy & planned this in advance. Why else would you invite someone to speak and then expel him for behaving as predicted?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 20, 2016 6:50 PM  

Since they can't help but make our point for us, I suspect that the audio will make any video taken by the audience surface, to put the audio "in context."

kek

Blogger Jordan179 August 20, 2016 6:51 PM  

I'm guessing this is the beginning of the end of Worldcon. They're now, openly, expelling the owners of major zines because they don't like their opinions. That leaves them a shrinking clique sitting in a drying-up pond, declaring themselves the Rulers of the Oceans.

Blogger ace August 20, 2016 7:00 PM  

Out of all of this, the part that piqued my interest was the sneering regard Stross has for Truesdale's constancy.

SJWs pride themselves on their formlessness and ability to completely change their opinions on any given subject when 'progress' on the topic has been decided upon by their neural network.

Someone who consistently has the same opinion on a topic over a period of years is an unfashionable bore. In this world, simply pointing out that they've held the same belief for a long time is a social shiv. What, you have progressed your belief system?

It's almost as if SJWism is an artifact of technology, or even a prototype collective consciousness.

Anonymous Ulysses everett mcgill August 20, 2016 7:28 PM  

...pushed in front of a train...

I wasn't hit by a train!

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 7:31 PM  

@ anon - I saw photos on twitter today where it looks like she's wearing a catheter underneath her clothing. not sure if its been mentioned before though

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 7:34 PM  

61. ace August 20, 2016 7:00 PM
It's almost as if SJWism is an artifact of technology,



no, things were exactly the same under Stalin and Mao and Caligula.

there is no 'right answer'. there is only groomed and conditioned response. they lie and tell you that it is possible to give a 'right answer'. this is a bait-and-switch to confuse you that it is possible to make them happy.

then they change the answer they demand.

compare and contrast how this psychopath groomed a 2 year old step daughter via potty training.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu17Wuq3nI8

the point is to make you submit. you WILL BE Socially Submissive or they will make you regret it. and they will change the acceptable answers explicitly so they can force you to be out of step so they can have someone to punish.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 20, 2016 7:56 PM  

The video of Truesdale's speech should be a nominee for 2017 "Best Related Work."

Blogger Lazarus August 20, 2016 8:10 PM  

bob k. mando wrote:no, things were exactly the same under Stalin and Mao and Caligula.

And Islam. Don't forget Islam.

Blogger Arthur Isaac August 20, 2016 8:14 PM  

Can they start putting their stories in verse so we can promote the poor Vogons to 4th place?

I remember reading David Brin's "Uplift Trilogy" and after breaking the binding when I chucked it against the wall at the end I determined to read only heritage SF. I didn't understand why at the time, about 20 years prior to red pill. The stuff is ignorance inducing.

Anonymous Wyrd August 20, 2016 8:20 PM  

And Islam. Don't forget Islam.

Ooh, my little pretty one, my pretty one
When you gonna turn nine, my Aisha
Ooh, you make my camel run, my camel run
Got it coming off o' the line, my Aisha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR2JtsVumFA

Blogger The Other Robot August 20, 2016 8:32 PM  

I hope he publishes the audio ... it must be interesting.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 20, 2016 8:33 PM  

There is video of one of Saddam's purges where some of his closest advisors begin weeping and praising Hussein before they are executed. The weepers who survive the purge live on as permanently shamed cowards. The ones who die die without honor. It is a particularly wrenching exercise of power and human nature.

When his former "friends" come for him, Hines will weep like a woman, possibly while posing as one.

Blogger Sun Xhu August 20, 2016 8:40 PM  

"I was unaware that you were recording the panel, and that I do not consent to it being distributed publicly"

Sorry little rabbit, Missouri wiretap laws are "one party consent". Your permission to release the recordings is neither required nor desired.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 20, 2016 8:47 PM  

Every roly poly soldier
clutch your pearls
You know the Hugos are on the verge!
Surge! Surge! The Worldcon Purge!

Anonymous Nice One August 20, 2016 8:56 PM  

The Name of the Narrative compels you!

Ha ha, love it!

Blogger Lazarus August 20, 2016 9:01 PM  

Ulysses everett mcgill wrote:...pushed in front of a train...

I wasn't hit by a train!


But if you were..........

Would the train be fine?

Blogger bob k. mando August 20, 2016 9:05 PM  

70. VFM #6306 August 20, 2016 8:33 PM
There is video of one of Saddam's purges where some of his closest advisors begin weeping and praising Hussein before they are executed.



the same was true with Stalin. men who had been with Stalin for 20 years and seen everything and done much of it, Stalin would have them accused of bourgeoisie tendencies, and they would go to the basement proclaiming their fidelity to the International Communism and the World Proletariat.


there is nothing new under the sun.


notice here that they've found that not only is psychopathy closely related to abnormal amygdala function, psychopaths DO NOT RESPOND TO UNHAPPY FACES PROPERLY.

https://youtu.be/w8o-5_Mx_f4?t=38m

what does this mean?

psychopathy is a behavioral trait.

behavioral traits can be bred for.

psychopaths do NOT perceive unhappiness sympathetically BUT THEY ARE AWARE OF IT. therefore, they simply use it as a tool to bludgeon you into doing what they want.

they may or may not derive enjoyment from causing you distress. they certainly derive enjoyment from getting their way.

and we are creating a society which rewards their success and the success of those who adapt these types of behaviors.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 20, 2016 9:12 PM  

Ideological Purges are the future of all institutions in European Christendom.

We are just seeing the beginnings.

Anonymous pseudotsuga August 20, 2016 9:15 PM  

A fisking:

Panelist Jonathan Strahan posted this on Facebook to Dave Truesdale: “Dave, while I felt we had cordial communications on the panel yesterday

Feelings...nothing more than feelings...nothing more than lying, lying on screen!

, and while I tried at every point to treat you with respect and civility,

Yeah, Strahan, you're the GOOD guy-- all the other people were being nasty! And you were trying SO, SO hard, and that nasty Truesdale just didn't acknowledge your virtue signaling.

I would point out that I was unaware that you were recording the panel,

So...? Would your behavior had changed otherwise?

and that I do not consent to it being distributed publicly.

More virtue signaling -- and besides, what are you trying to hide? If you are really innocent, wouldn't this recording demonstrate how civil and respectful you were, and what a Nasty McNastyhead that Truesdale was?

I hope you will respect my request and not do so.

A lovely passive-aggressive threat here -- what do you offer to Truesdale if he gives in to your velvet demand? Will you stay besties with him? What do you bring to the bargain?

Best, Jonathan.”

Best? Best!? I know it's just a formula here, but it's sending off Virtue Signalling flares left and right.

These people are outrageous...and they vote (not just for little rocketships).

Anonymous Wyrd August 20, 2016 9:29 PM  

OT: Blizzard has gone full retard. They are now mandating PvP for everyone, regardless of server preference. Multiple trouble tickets on my part have been met with silence. Interesting to watch retards droll in real time.

Anonymous FP August 20, 2016 9:38 PM  

Ustream keeps putting up ads in spanish. The chat there is at least amusing.

Blogger frigger611 August 20, 2016 9:41 PM  

I've had a few jobs in my long career that became so stifling and soul-crushing that I had to adopt the mindset that I WANT TO BE FIRED, AND WHILE I'M AT IT, I'M GOING OUT IN A BLAZE OF GLORY!

To free yourself of sniping jackasses, weasels, and agonies of weak men is the purest of joys!

This act by Mr. Truesdale has all the markings of a man with a similar outlook. Looks like he got exactly what he was aiming for! Probably planned it down to the last detail. Bravo!

Feels good, don't it? :)

Blogger Zeke OF Confettii August 20, 2016 9:43 PM  

I sadly note that _short_ stories were *not* on the Dragoncon Ballot that I completed recently but are 'administered separately'. It seems that the Dragon is not _completely_ free of interference.
Well, boredom wasn't reall an option.

Blogger Demonic Professor El August 20, 2016 9:44 PM  

Sun Xhu wrote:Sorry little rabbit, Missouri wiretap laws are "one party consent". Your permission to release the recordings is neither required nor desired.

For video/audio recordings, if its property of Truesdale's, he can release it whenever he wants. They really can't "withdraw consent" after they already consented to being videotaped in a public forum.

However, if lawsuits were pending, they may be able to withhold public viewing until the case is over. But SJWs don't sue because they lie, break the law, attack people, etc.

Of course, with Missouri's audio law on top of that, the SJWs have no say one way or the other. Their ignorant arrogance is one of the best weapons in our arsenals.

Anonymous LastRedoubt August 20, 2016 9:54 PM  

@pseudotsuga


permission is not needed. If I recall correctly it's a one-party state for audio recordings.

Anonymous FP August 20, 2016 10:08 PM  

Neil Gaiman wins, sends in a letter and calls Rabid Puppies, "sad losers"...

Blogger Lazarus August 20, 2016 10:27 PM  

FP wrote:Neil Gaiman wins, sends in a letter and calls Rabid Puppies, "sad losers"...

Well, that settles it then, nothing more to say.

Leonard Cohen wrote "Beautiful Losers".

I'm sorry, what's your point again?

Anonymous Fred August 20, 2016 10:40 PM  

It would appear the puppies have shot their wad.

Blogger seeingsights August 20, 2016 10:40 PM  

I've interacted with Dave Truesdale online. I think he is a brilliant analyzer of short science fiction. If I recall correctly, he said that he was in a high IQ society that is more restrictive than MENSA.

I am not attending WorldCon this year, so I was not at the panel discussion. I've only read about it. I wouldn't be surprised, though, that Dave Truesdale thought all this through, like a chess grand-master. For example, it does look like that Dave Truesdale is on solid legal ground in recording the event.

He can now post his text online, and the public then can see that, while his views might be wrong, there is nothing that should have gotten him expelled.

As to whether Truesdale can sue, well, people can sue over anything. WorldCon can say: we are a private organization, we enforce the rules as we see fit.

Blogger Lazarus August 20, 2016 10:47 PM  

Fred wrote:It would appear the puppies have shot their wad.
Puppies, by definition, are young. Lotsa wads left, yo.

OpenID randkoch August 20, 2016 10:58 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:The video of Truesdale's speech should be a nominee for 2017 "Best Related Work."

Post of the day.

Anonymous Nathan August 20, 2016 10:59 PM  

Predictable. It would be nice to be striving against humans, not programs. That said, the trolling opportunities should be glorious. Assuming there's much left of Worldcon fandom after No Awarding two chronicles of child abuse and pedophilia within the science fiction convention community.

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 11:06 PM  

seems kinda silly to ask him not to release the audio because if you go to a public meeting, wouldn't you want to be accountable for what you say and do?

Anonymous Velo Creek August 20, 2016 11:06 PM  

And in a revelation that will surprise absolutely nobody who was actually paying attention, the Hugos have room for both The Fifth Season and the Martian.

Blogger weka August 20, 2016 11:07 PM  

I will be very interested in seeing the voting here: given that there are no paper trails I am more interested in the counting.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/20/12551696/2016-hugo-awards-nk-jemisin-fifth-season-science-fiction

OpenID randkoch August 20, 2016 11:12 PM  

I'm disappointed with Jonathan Strahan.

In the eyes of the SF community at least, Dave Truesdale had been publicly shamed. He has the moral right to show his side of the story. Strahan shouldn't be trying to rob him of that. That's pretty low.

If they really think they were correct, they should welcome his playing the recording, chips fall where they may.

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 11:18 PM  

#94 - he's only shamed if he allows himself to be

Anonymous Nathan August 20, 2016 11:21 PM  

Hugo stats are out. Fewer voters than nomination ballots. About 400 Rabids, which puts to rest the story of 160 SJWs were trying to say. Congrats to Razorfist and "Between Light and Shadow" for leading the nominees in their categories.

Anonymous Greenlaw August 20, 2016 11:30 PM  

About 400 Rabids

So less than last year even though everyone from last year could bot this year. Good stuff! Big Fork!!! Go minions!!!! You retarded sons o' bitches. LOL

Blogger weka August 20, 2016 11:33 PM  

Wu is so censorious.

It's so disrespectful to the people working their ass off in sci-if every day. This is our house, #puppies. Not yours. You don't belong here -- Brianna Wu (@Spacekatgal) >August 21, 2016

Anonymous Nathan August 20, 2016 11:35 PM  

@97

The Rabid participation in the nominating process was greater than last year's Sad Puppies, considering only about 250 Sad Puppies cast nominating ballots. And that 400 figure is not counting the 180 or so Sad Puppies who also nominated.

Blogger weka August 20, 2016 11:36 PM  

@97. Well, most of us are just voting with our wallets. Pity TOR is owned by a conglomerate. These awards are worse than last year: the list was fair and had good books in it that were "no awarded" because of the narrative.

The Hugo Award is now a negative qualification. It cuts sales and turns readers away.

OpenID randkoch August 20, 2016 11:41 PM  

andon wrote:#94 - he's only shamed if he allows himself to be

I said, "In the eyes of the SF community at least."

And by that I mean, from the POV of Strahan, et al. That they don't want him to play the recording tells us a lot. If they think what he did was bad enough to throw him out, they should welcome that he play it.

Anonymous andon August 20, 2016 11:48 PM  

I said, "In the eyes of the SF community at least."

yes. what I meant is that it applies to us too though, when they try to call us racists or bigots, they only win when we agree. they can only shame us if we allow it.

Anonymous Headcannon August 20, 2016 11:50 PM  

It sure is fun watching the SF "community" eat itself. The Puppies are the best thing to happen to the Hugos since they were good.

Anonymous BGKB August 21, 2016 12:06 AM  

Bard wrote: WTF is ecsessive discomfort?

Did you see the guy at the end of the table who turned to the side and looked like he got screwed by a dozen home depot wetbacks?

OT: Blizzard has gone full retard. They are now mandating PvP for everyone, regardless of server preference.

Perhaps there are not enough players left to support both PVP & PVE servers.

seems kinda silly to ask him not to release the audio because if you go to a public meeting, wouldn't you want to be accountable

She didn't consent to being recorded its rape by reality.

It's so disrespectful to the people working their ass off in sci-if every day. This is our house, #puppies. Not yours. You don't belong here -- Brianna Wu

I thought Wu was a post op tranny shouldn't Xe be using its new hole to get better reviews? Especially if it has less mileage on it.

OpenID randkoch August 21, 2016 12:13 AM  

andon wrote:yes. what I meant is that it applies to us too though, when they try to call us racists or bigots, they only win when we agree. they can only shame us if we allow it.

True. But I never thought for a second that what Truedale did was likely to be something to bring him shame.

If it was, he'd be hiding the video. The SJWs would be asking around if anyone had recorded it.

And I don't think for a second that they'd be worried about the propriety of playing it. It would probably be on YouTube already.

Anonymous Wyrd August 21, 2016 12:27 AM  

Perhaps there are not enough players left to support both PVP & PVE servers

That's one fine coat you're wearing.

Anonymous Alsos August 21, 2016 1:04 AM  

Another freakshow group picture: https://twitter.com/hashtag/HugoAwards?src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A767213387210117120

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 21, 2016 1:08 AM  

weka wrote:Wu is so censorious.

It's so disrespectful to the people working their ass off in sci-if every day. This is our house, #puppies. Not yours. You don't belong here -- Brianna Wu (@Spacekatgal) >August 21, 2016


The 'sci-if' ties the whole tweet together.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 21, 2016 1:31 AM  

Missouri is a One Party Consent for Recording of Oral Communications.

Dis gonna be good.

Blogger John Wright August 21, 2016 2:03 AM  

The saddest thing for me, personally, in all this Sad Puppies sadness is that I liked working with Jonathan Strahan in the past, and George RR Martin, Moshe Feder and Irene Gallo. read with admiration and warmth the work of Neal Gaiman and Kurt Busiek.

Instead of keeping their mouths shut and their opinions to themselves like professionals, they decided to jump into a controversy on the side of the Morlocks, and to alienate everyone who thinks conformity should not overrule, override, and exclude imagination.

It is as if, from some high, dry safe shore, I looked down into a dark and troubled sea, and there I watched a sinking ship on whose deck drunk revelers and tipplers in masquerade were prancing eccentric jigs, having been told that the rising of the waters to claim them was a sign of affection from the sea, and cursing the lifeboats, which they scorn and ignite with fire.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 21, 2016 2:05 AM  

Missouri is a One Party Consent for Recording of Oral Communications.

Dis gonna be good.

OpenID tmdfos August 21, 2016 2:09 AM  

Dave does have the audio for sure, he said he already got it converted to an MP3 and should have the transcript soon. He wants to get it posted ASAP when he gets home.
He was a really nice guy to meet in person. He was up in the Puppy party suite. Kate is a really great woman too and a really gracious hostess. I'm so glad I got to meet them and a lot of other puppy people.
Hugo's are already screwed for next year. Kate said the diversity amendment on nominees had already past. I'm going to hit the last business meeting tomorrow and see what other horrors the SJWs can come up with.
I don't know if Dave had gotten in the Webinar earlier but he hadn't seen this post of your's VD until I showed it to him and Kate. He thought it was pretty fucked up that Stross and Hines were defending him.

BTW, you can post that pic of the panel I sent you, VD. Dave has a copy too now.

Exactly Mr. Wright. I only stayed about an hour. After the 2 no awards and the stupid comments from Gaiman I was done with their crappy show. It was much more convivial with the puppy people.

Oh no! I just realized I must have been triggered! Can I go complain tomorrow and get everyone at the awards ceremony thrown out?!

Anonymous Mook August 21, 2016 2:14 AM  

tmdfos wrote:Hugo's are already screwed for next year. Kate said the diversity amendment on nominees had already past. I'm going to hit the last business meeting tomorrow and see what other horrors the SJWs can come up with.

They passed... what?

Blogger lowercaseb August 21, 2016 2:41 AM  

tmdfos wrote:Oh no! I just realized I must have been triggered! Can I go complain tomorrow and get everyone at the awards ceremony thrown out?!

It depends, was your discomfort ... excessive?

Blogger weka August 21, 2016 2:53 AM  

If they pass a diversity clause, nominate Larry Correa and Sarah Hoyt(both "Hispanic") and your gracious host (First Nations) and Chuck Tingle (degenerate) for everything one can. Because you can have your diversity, twice as hard.

Fools. In their cleverness they give more weapons.

Blogger bob k. mando August 21, 2016 3:20 AM  

116. weka August 21, 2016 2:53 AM
If they pass a diversity clause, nominate Larry Correa and Sarah Hoyt(both "Hispanic") and your gracious host (First Nations) and Chuck Tingle (degenerate) for everything one can. Because you can have your diversity, twice as hard.



every single year of the SP / RP existence, they have nominated writers of color and sex diversity. they may have even nominated some homo authors, i've no idea about that.

it wasn't something we were concerned with, as it didn't have any material bearing on the words which had been presented as a story.

Anonymous SciVo August 21, 2016 4:53 AM  

Greenlaw wrote:About 400 Rabids

So less than last year even though everyone from last year could bot this year. Good stuff! Big Fork!!! Go minions!!!! You retarded sons o' bitches. LOL


You apparently missed the part about "Fewer voters than nomination ballots," which means no botting. With a one-year membership, I would have had to buy another one to vote again this year, after using my membership last year to vote last year. Get it?

Blogger residentMoron August 21, 2016 5:53 AM  

I've just been watching Starship Troopers, the 1997 film which is a quasi-adaptation of Heinlein's book. There's a scene immediately after the first disastrous offensive against the bugs, a live studio debate. When the idea of an intelligent bug caste is mooted, the expert on the left (I'm sure it's just a coincidence) recoils in horror:

"Well I find the idea of an intelligent insect offensive!"

Now there's the response of a rational man.

Blogger SteelPalm August 21, 2016 6:02 AM  

What a hilariously pathetic, sniveling coward this Irish Mr. Strahan is!

"Oh please, PLEASE don't reveal what really happened at the convention after everyone smeared, insulted, and unjustly banned you! If you do, I will be very, very....UPSET!"

Blogger Bob Loblaw August 21, 2016 6:27 AM  

the same was true with Stalin. men who had been with Stalin for 20 years and seen everything and done much of it, Stalin would have them accused of bourgeoisie tendencies, and they would go to the basement proclaiming their fidelity to the International Communism and the World Proletariat.

There's a reason for that. Saddam Hussein idolized Stalin and patterned his rule after the Georgian butcher. That's why he was never deposed in a coup - if you kill not only the people who are plotting against you but also the people who could become dangerous if they were to start plotting against you, you can protect yourself pretty well.

That videotape is dated July 22, 1979, which was six days after Saddam formally became president. Some of the people being dragged away had backed him for years when he was out in the cold.

Anonymous jdgalt August 21, 2016 12:33 PM  

Looks like it's time to give up on WSFS as unreformable. But these replies show there are still plenty of trufen.

The question in my mind is not whether to form a replacement organization, but once one is formed, how do we make it impossible for SJWs to capture? Is there any way to do that, short of giving it a self-perpetuating board the way Lenin set up his party?

Anonymous fred August 21, 2016 12:40 PM  

"your inferior and regressive weltanschauung and lack of Confucian nuance."

Oh, don't be a silly goose your entire life. You know what happens to silly geese? They have to live on Silly Goose Island.

Also, don't intrude on arguments you know nothing about, and weren't party to.

Anonymous rubberducky August 21, 2016 1:22 PM  

Truesdale should let them sweat and concoct more lies, then release that tape.

When they cite a code of conduct violation for an action, then clam up about what that action entailed, that's a pretty good guarantee that they are up to bullshit.

Blogger Alec Rawls August 21, 2016 3:20 PM  

There is no expectation of privacy for opinions expressed for all to hear, whether or not this guy knew he was being recorded. His suggestion that his "consent" matters in the least is in-effect a threat to pursue a bogus lawsuit. THAT should be grounds for not being invited back.

OpenID tmdfos August 21, 2016 8:37 PM  

@113 @115
It wasn't, really, that sort of diversity. I think they did it mostly for VD so he couldn't be nominated for writer AND editor categories both. But that would have led to them not having had the choice of Mike Glyer for both writer and blog in separate categories this year. That won't be allowed now. If I'm understanding it correctly, of course.

The business meeting today was much as you might have thought. 3SV passed, then EPH, then 4 (now 5) of 6, and then EPH+. VD and Rabid Puppies were mentioned specifically and puppies in general. The fear and horror of us was palpable from the audience and those who spoke. They admitted that the Hugo's are broken. And during the 3SV debate that though it would make things more political that VD and his politics was worse but that the SMOFS could be trusted to be the right sort of political in nominations and voting. The best part of debate for the longer list of 3SV when someone got up a the mic and was saying that puppy stories are like porn and you know them when you see them and he don't have to read them so don't worry about the other cons with 3SV, and, extrapolating, the EPH long list complexity.
Miss. Paulk may have more detailed and specific info to post as she went to ALL of the business meetings. She's cast iron to endure all of that! I admire her greatly.

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent August 22, 2016 3:48 AM  

@ tmdfos

Just wanted to say how appreciative I am of your "on the ground" updates and comments in these posts. Great stuff.

Blogger VD August 22, 2016 5:23 AM  

I think they did it mostly for VD so he couldn't be nominated for writer AND editor categories both.

No, this is for John C. Wright. You can only have two works nominated in a single category. It says nothing about multiple category nominations.

Anonymous ScarletNumber August 22, 2016 10:57 AM  

It's cute how he thinks that the word "consent" is a trump card.

OpenID tmdfos August 22, 2016 2:04 PM  

Ok, thanks for the clarification, VD. I must have misunderstood what others were saying and how I read it.

OpenID goatsandgreens August 29, 2016 2:10 PM  

I haven’t been to a Worldcon since Glasgow 1996, and have never heard of Truesdale until this point. No dog in this fight. What I remember of moderators (true in SF and elsewhere) though, is that while they can speak of where their heads lay, and their own agendas when on a panel, they need to step back and moderate professionally. Politically, I'm an Independent, and so I can fully see that the Right can be just as PC as the Left, given the opportunity. I can see never asking him on a panel again — this WAS a panel, I believe, not a free-form place to rant — but from the evidence I’ve read to this point, I don’t see that kicking him out of Worldcon was the proper response, either. Oh, PS, what's a SJW?

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