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Wednesday, August 03, 2016

Vaccine lawsuit in Japan

This anti-Gardisil lawsuit could prove interesting, as Big Pharma's political influence is considerably less in Japan:
Sixty-three young women are seeking a combined 945 million yen ($9 million) in compensation in the first mass lawsuit concerning side effects from cervical cancer vaccines.

The women are suing the central government and pharmaceutical companies GlaxoSmithKline Plc and MSD KK.

The lawsuits were filed July 27 in the district courts at Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya and Fukuoka. The plaintiffs are aged between 15 and 22.

The women argue they have suffered health problems, such as pain in various parts of their bodies, difficulty in walking and also impaired eyesight, as a result of taking the vaccines that were meant to prevent cervical cancer.

They were mostly in junior or senior high school when they took the vaccines between July 2010 and July 2013.

The vaccines under question are GSK's Cervarix, which was approved for domestic use in 2009, and MSD's Gardasil, which was approved in 2011.

The plaintiffs argue that reports had been filed overseas where the two vaccines were in use before Japan about various side effects, including cases of death and serious illness.
On the downside, it looks as if the Japanese government is one of the defendants, which may be a tactical blunder by the plantiffs' lawyers. But perhaps not; I know very little about the Japanese legal system. However, Japan is very big on taking full responsibility even when the individual is known not to be directly to blame, so I expect the pharmaceutical companies' customary utilitarian defenses will not go over particularly well.

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47 Comments:

Blogger The Other Robot August 03, 2016 11:40 AM  

I find it very hard to believe that young Japanese women are at serious risk for cervical cancer.

Japan is not Africa!

Blogger Rek. August 03, 2016 11:44 AM  

Well it's about right time they got their share of immigrants. We wouldn't want Japan to not enjoy the devastation of uterine cancer.

Anonymous andon August 03, 2016 11:47 AM  

seems like vaccines should cost more and the quality control should be a little better

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 03, 2016 11:48 AM  

Keep in mind that the Japanese regime obeyed orders from its imperial masters on Manhattan island to sign onto the TPP, something to their serous disadvantage when it comes to IP. I could be wrong but I see no reason why their courts wouldn't side with Big Pharma, in light of who owns and controls BigP (same imperial "masters of the universe" - their own term for themselves, incidentally). Besides I understand that they're now doing some 'stimulus' spending of fake money, so I suspect their own central bank received permission from Cthulhu-central to manufacture some "money" for this purpose.

Blogger Dave August 03, 2016 11:53 AM  

combined 945 million yen ($9 million) in compensation

$9 million? GSK would be crazy not offer to settle out of court and pay that amount themselves. $9 million combined for real?

Blogger Dave August 03, 2016 12:02 PM  

Yeah google currency conversion is $9.3 million. If true that is laughable. That lawsuit in the US would start at $9M x 63 = $567M.

Anonymous Roundtine August 03, 2016 12:09 PM  

Japan is the largest producer of anti-STD vaccines per capita. They just released a massive STD-suppression vaccine, which works against all STDs, named Pokemon Go.

Blogger Rodger Smith August 03, 2016 12:17 PM  

A few months ago my doctor said I needed to update my tetanus vacine. I obediently went to get it. The clinic gave me a paper then jabbed me in the arm. I set down for a moment to read the paper. The vacine for for tetanus mixed with two other vaccines of which I can't recall. Also there was a warning stating there were lawsuits that I could join if I felt the need against the vacine manufacture should I experience any side effects. I guess I should have read that before allowing them to stick me.

Since then I have refused all other vaccines. I am an old retired military man and receive my medical through the military healthcare system, (which contrary to most opinions has served me quiet well). As of now, I still have the right to refuse certain government recommended care, but I am not certain that will last.

Blogger Dave August 03, 2016 12:21 PM  

That's funny Roundtine, however, Pokemon Go was invented by John Hanke's Niantic Labs which is owned by Google.

Blogger dienw August 03, 2016 12:30 PM  

My foolish SIL had her oldest daughter have a Gardasil shot in her junior year of high school; my niece's eye(s?) became inflamed as a reaction. She is now a rising senior in college and the doctor expects to finally wean her off the medication over her senior year.

As a result of this my SIL did not have her younger daughter take the vaccine.

Blogger CM August 03, 2016 12:35 PM  

The vacine for for tetanus mixed with two other vaccines of which I can't recall.

Diphtheria and Pertussis are the other two.

This is a pain. The current rec for Pertussis (which is virtually useless) is every couple years for anyone around children.

Tetanus and Diphtheria are somewhere around 5 years for booster.

Please explain (a) why i need tetanus and diphtheria every 2 years and (b) why old people not around young babies need pertussis?

For that matter, how many elderly walk around in places at risk of getting jabbed by rusty metal objects?

Blogger Rek. August 03, 2016 12:43 PM  

Is tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis even necessary?

Anonymous Lett Guo August 03, 2016 12:50 PM  

Roundtine wrote:Japan is the largest producer of anti-STD vaccines per capita. They just released a massive STD-suppression vaccine, which works against all STDs, named Pokemon Go.

Heh. I just tweeted this.

Top kek.

Anonymous Siobhan August 03, 2016 12:53 PM  

Pertussis vaccine currently in use wears off quickly. We have had multiple pertussis outbreaks in California. Pertussis can kill babies. Lots of parents and grandparents get it as a booster before a new baby comes as a result.

That said, you should be able to get T instead of Tdap? You used to be able to. Of course, you used to be able to get M, M, and R separately, but it's no longer made as separate vaccines any more.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 12:54 PM  

Tetanus toxoid for injection is available as a stand alone booster. Giving DPT as a booster for tetanus is just lazy...an indicator of medical professionals to avoid.

I believe we're entering a period where good hygiene, good wound care and extreme selectivity in intimate relationships are going to be extremely important.

People have spent far too long thinking magic medicine and magic doctors an remediate any stupid thing they choose to do.

Natural Selection: bringing a better tomorrow by killing the stupid & inferior before they pass on their stupid & inferior genes.

Blogger Miguel D'Anconia August 03, 2016 12:54 PM  

This vaccine is such BS. The biggest risk factor is whorish behavior. Keep your legs closed, don't have unnecessary unprotected sex with multiple partners and your safe. Done

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 12:57 PM  

Bacillus pertussis is evolving. There's rising evidence that those immunized can actually be carriers, and infect the vulnerable.

It

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 03, 2016 12:57 PM  

Tetanus almost certainly is. The spores are endemic in the soil, anywhere in America at least, and are viable for at least 50 years. The vaccine is actually proven effective with a very low rate of side effects. And the disease is 2-4 weeks of agonizing pain often followed by death. It can be treated with antibiotics, though not always successfully. Usually by the time the disease is diagnosed considerable damage has already been done.

Pertussis, on the other hand, is a not-particularly-dangerous respiratory infection. It is quite treatable with antibiotics. It can be dangerous for small children and the frail, but with modern medical care it is almost never dangerous.

Diptheria is another not-particularly-dangerous infection. In the 19th century it was called membranous croup, because it dries out the respiratory mucous, hardening it into tough leather-like membranes that can interfere with breathing. That made it very dangerous. In the 19th century. Again, it is readily treatable with antibiotics.

Blogger Azimus August 03, 2016 12:57 PM  

VD: "I know very little about the Japanese legal system"

Aren't you Japanese? And a Japanese scientist, no less?

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 1:02 PM  

It IS remarkable. Only recently has the medical community admitted that women in monogamous relationships need not get pap smears after a few years.

Funny how little attention is paid to the value of faithful monogamy. The assumption is that everyone is a sex-crazed, self-destructive idiot.

Maybe it was better when the horror of death by tertiary syphilis provided the masses of fools some discipline.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 1:08 PM  

Nothing will change Big Pharma's baleful influence until the credit bubble ends. When that tit on Uncle Sam's udder goes dry (along with most everything else) then we'll have to see what shakes out.

The bankruptcy inducing cost of Hepatitis C drugs now in play will surely speed the denouement.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 03, 2016 1:23 PM  

Miguel D'Anconia wrote:This vaccine is such BS. The biggest risk factor is whorish behavior. Keep your legs closed, don't have unnecessary unprotected sex with multiple partners and your safe. Done

I was very suspicious of this vaccine when it first came out.

1.) The news media trumpeted how great it was as soon as it was released.
2.) School districts and States almost immediately started trying to make it a required vaccination for girls.


When you boil down how you get cervical cancer caused by HPV one wonders why everyone was treating it like it was TB.

Anonymous BGKB August 03, 2016 1:31 PM  

Gardasil would be worth the risk of a few girls falling over dead right after getting the vaccine a year if it was as effective as they claim but its not. The risk/benefit ratio is event worse for boys.

They just released a massive STD-suppression vaccine, which works against all STDs, named Pokemon Go

STR8 Pokémon go players were already safe. The first week there was a video from NYC where people admitted how many days it was since they showered.

Is tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis even necessary?

Illegals brought back whooping cough, Tetanus is a must for preppers. Are illegals with spawn in your area?

how many elderly walk around in places at risk of getting jabbed by rusty metal objects?

Tiny Tim at wall mart bathrooms?

I believe we're entering a period where good hygiene, good wound care and extreme selectivity in intimate relationships

Gonorrhea is only a few steps from incurable but too many faggots want to skimp using condoms and use $1500/month/person Truvada Prep(often at taxpayer expense) instead which only stops non-drug-resistant AIDS. Prep is hard on livers and kidneys too boot, even if a nigapocalypse doesn't happen there will be lots of gays with kidney/liver failure a decade from now.

The bankruptcy inducing cost of Hepatitis C drugs now in play will surely speed the denouement.

The story behind that is worse than the ((())) who bought rights for one AIDS med that was $13 a pill and raised it to $700+ a pill. The ((()))) in the Hept C pill worked for the VA which has the largest group of Hept C patients because of bad transfusions as a Hept C researcher who accomplished nothing at work for decades. He took steps to get approval from another ((())) so his outside company that makes the drug was separated from his government paid work with the largest database of Hept C patients in the world. Then he sells it at a price even the government has trouble affording. He is worst than the ((())) that run grey market pharmacies that buy up all the kids chemo meds on the market then sell them higher.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 03, 2016 1:34 PM  

the Japanese legal system

Japanese civil judges basically are mediators, and cases are expected to be settled. An incentive to settle is that the dockets are overloaded and it takes many years to get a trial, which is uncommon in Japan. Bench trials, all to be had, are exceedingly rare.

The judges are appointed and are limited in number in part to reflect the cultural preference for reconciliation by backlogging the case load and encouraging settlement. The court system there is one big exercise in alternative dispute resolution.

I seriously doubt this case ever gets to or far beyond what we would consider the discovery stage, and that has nothing to do with the government being a co-defendant.

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 03, 2016 1:45 PM  

I wonder how long until someone decides there's a heck of a lot more money to be made in knocking off some of these patented advanced medicines and selling them on the street?

"hey man, wanna buy some Harv? 30 pill be like a K, you in?"

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 03, 2016 1:45 PM  

dienw wrote:My foolish SIL had her oldest daughter have a Gardasil shot in her junior year of high school; my niece's eye(s?) became inflamed as a reaction. She is now a rising senior in college and the doctor expects to finally wean her off the medication over her senior year.

As a result of this my SIL did not have her younger daughter take the vaccine.


Your reasonable tone and mature reaction can't hide your anti-science conspiracy theories from me, no sir! Momma didn't raise no fool, she made sure I got as many vaccines as they could fit inside my infant body.

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 03, 2016 1:48 PM  

Also, think about getting the single vaccines, Like the M&M without the R, and selling that to your local prepper community.

Not that Mumps will do any good now, since there appears to be a Mumps outbreak in NY in vaccinated people. Oh, the IRONY.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 03, 2016 1:59 PM  

I recollect a crash of a Boeing airliner in Japan. The Japanese expected everybody to pitch in and help victims and their families, Boeing went into the usual CYA mode...and lost considerable face.

Blogger CM August 03, 2016 2:16 PM  

True story about my OB -

I told her my husband and i were both rh negative and refused a shot. She said "you never know. Best be safe than sorry."

I said I didn't want the 2nd pap smear at 35-36 weeks. She said "you never know. Best be safe than sorry."

Now, I understand she gets a lot of low income people and they typically practice poor fidelity, but if your patient is confident and refuses treatment, stop assuming someone's cheating on someone.

It was insulting. The entire medical community is insulting.

Anonymous MendoScot August 03, 2016 2:30 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Bacillus pertussis is evolving. There's rising evidence that those immunized can actually be carriers, and infect the vulnerable.

They are all evolving. It was predicted a long time ago on theoretical grounds that widespread vaccination would eventually lead to the development of more virulent pathogens. This has been confirmed in vaccinated animal populations.

Blogger LurkingPuppy August 03, 2016 3:13 PM  

Rek. wrote:Is tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis even necessary?
Those vaccines are necessary for infants, and they can be administered safely at the same time, so they are combined into the DTaP vaccine.

The DTaP vaccine provides an immune response to the toxins that those bacteria produce, not to the bacteria themselves. When a patient starts antibiotic treatment for a bacterial infection, the dying bacteria may release all of the toxins they contain at once; this would explain why some of the people who were treated with antibiotics during the 2001 anthrax attacks showed symptoms of Toxic Shock Syndrome. By the time an infant becomes symptomatic with any of those diseases, the toxins have already built up to the point that antibiotics won't help.

In adults, pertussis is contagious for a long incubation period (three weeks IIRC) before any symptoms appear, followed by symptoms that you won't recognize as pertussis unless you know to look for them. Taking antibiotics at that point might or might not prevent the coughing fit, but should prevent the patient from continuing to spread the disease. (I had to learn about pertussis recently.)

The boosters available for adults are T, Td, and Tdap. (The uppercase “T” indicates a full dose of tetanus toxoid; the lowercase “d” and “ap” indicate reduced doses of diphtheria toxoid and acellular pertussis vaccine.) I would recommend that geezers and transplant patients get the Tdap vaccine, and that normal, healthy adults get only the Td vaccine. (But I am not a doctor; this is not medical advice; research the topic for yourself or talk to a competent doctor (if there is one).)

The only bit of good news is that a booster shot for the acellular pertussis vaccine won't kill you; the old (whole killed cell) pertussis booster shot could.

Anonymous VFM #7916 August 03, 2016 3:30 PM  

@30 "They are all evolving."

Mumps now too in NY. Measles in Disneyland. Ebola in the latest outbreaks in Africa. All Flu viruses. Staph. MRSA.

There's also a nasty bug going around that tends to target men and causes your throat to slowly swell shut and develop odd sores in your mouth. Standard treatment involves an antibiotic, a steroid, and an anti-fungal, because the doc's have no idea what's causing it.

I would not be surprised if we see the resurgence of polio in the US. There's new Enterorvirus in the midwest that caused paralysis, so it may be sooner than later.

All the more reason for border controls and quarantines...

Blogger LarryGriff August 03, 2016 3:41 PM  

Anyone noticed the linked asahi.com pages links to Vox Populi Vox Dei - daily column?

"Vox Populi, Vox Dei is a daily column that runs on Page 1 of The Asahi Shimbun."

http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201608030034.html

Blogger dc.sunsets August 03, 2016 4:10 PM  

@ 7916,
Immigrant-carried TB scares me most. Talk about a horror tossed down the Memory Hole. No one grasps just what went on when TB stalked the land. Talk about a Zombie Apocalypse.

Blogger LurkingPuppy August 03, 2016 4:18 PM  

VFM #7916 wrote:There's also a nasty bug going around that tends to target men and causes your throat to slowly swell shut and develop odd sores in your mouth.
Hmm, I wonder how a disease with that set of characteristics might be spread.

They should name it after Harvey Milk. Because public health is racist and homophobic.

Anonymous Cassie August 03, 2016 6:22 PM  

The issue of vaccines is one I need to do some additional research on - daughter's two month checkup is coming up, and I know I want DTaP for her since we do indeed live in a location with many illegals, assorted immigrants, and many world travelers as well. What others we'll give her and when is still up in the air, I don't want to give her all those shots at once, certainly. If you were *trying* to hide pernicious effects of a drug, stacking half a dozen on top of each other is a pretty good way to guarantee neither the patient nor the clinician is going to be able to discover which one(s) might be responsible for an adverse reaction.

The more I learn about the medical profession the less respect I have for it as an institution.

Anonymous Millenium August 03, 2016 7:02 PM  

I have long wondered whether immunodeficiencies may be caused by too many vaccines on a developing immune system but cannot find a single study that even approaches the question.


@29: What was the shot for that you turned down due to being rh negative?


@32 Don't forget about zika in Florida, not to mention the incoming worldwide pandemic after the olympians take it back to their home countries.

Blogger JCclimber August 03, 2016 7:11 PM  

I have a few friends who are Japanese lawyers. First of all, it is DIFFICULT to become licensed to practice law in Japan. They are smart about limiting the number of lawyers.

One downside is that they therefore tend to be expensive, and Japan usually is a cash up-front society (I don't know about their lawyers, however).

One upside is that their frivolous lawsuits are a tiny fraction of ours here in America. Imagine an America where the lawyers were smart, expensive, rare, and generally demanded payment up front, and the impact that would have on the number of court cases.

I don't know how their lawsuit award system goes, but considering the above factors, the lawyers have surely made a calculated and strategic Yen amount in their demand. Considering that the Japanese RARELY question any orders they get from authority figures like physicians, this is a bold move and it means the anger level is very, very high. The government is probably a party because they required the vaccines to attend school. No home schooling option in Japan.

Anonymous rtp August 03, 2016 7:51 PM  

Vox, you reject evolution on the basis that it is statistically impossible.

And fair enough too by the way.

But, whilst you are smart enough to realise that vaccines aren't all they're cracked up to be, you still believe in germ theory.

But the germ theory is mathematically impossible. Evolution has, let's say, a 1 in 10^1000 chance of being remotely true - which means that it isn't true but it *could* be (if you know what I mean).

But the germ theory has an exactly zero per cent chance of being true.

You cannot have a self-replicating pathogen (SRP) - because any system without negative feedbacks (or even a system where positive feedbacks dominate negative ones) must be unstable.

To put it another way, if the germ theory were true then no organism could possibly exist.

And positing the existence of an immune system is of no help because the immune system is exogenous (it doesn't endogenously increase as the number of pathogens does).

At some point, the SRP must overwhelm the immune cells.

This is pure maths. Like I said, a dynamic system with no negative feedbacks must always lead to either zero or infinity.

Now, we can actually go further here (not that we need to because we have shown that germ theory is 100 per cent impossible on first principles), but let's imagine that we take it as being true all the same.

How could we be immune to a virus?

Well, the concept of immunity is that once we harbour the virus we are invulnerable to it.

But hang on, viruses like HPV, varicella, polio, measles, Hep B can all infect us *chronically*. That means that harbouring the virus makes us *vulnerable* to it in the future.

So harbouring a virus simultaneously makes us vulnerable and invulnerable to it!

As I said, it is a moot point given the impossibility of the germ theory, but it is worth pointing out all the same.

And really, how did the germ theory every gain traction?

It is absurd. Even if you aren't as smart as me and able to see the above logical flaws, surely anybody can ask themselves the following:

"If disease could be spread from one person to another, then wouldn't doctors have the lifespan of a fruitfly?"

Blogger Rodger Smith August 03, 2016 9:19 PM  

CM, you are correct. It was the pertussis and diphtheria vaccines. I think the military, at least the Air Force, gets the mixed batch in those mixtures because the majority of their patients are around children and highly susceptible to deployment to areas where these desease are still around.

I am still very active working restoring old cars, riding dirt bikes and street bikes, hunting, and fishing, so I figured keeping up my tetanus booster would be a safe play especially living in the South where there is plenty of rusty germ infested metal. I won't be fooled again.

Blogger tz August 03, 2016 9:20 PM  

I think it was at Vaccine Impact.

There was a study of the chickenpox vaccine. Today it is a problem because so few get it, there aren't chickenpox parties like there can be for measles.

But the study found that those who got the vaccine got shingles at an extremely higher rate. Few who had actual Chickenpox did.

The vaccines with their altered viruses don't always do the same thing, nor convey the same kind of immunity. Immunity can wear out, but for measles or chickenpox you usually end up getting reinfected without noticing often enough to keep up the immunity.

There are special cases and serious diseases, but both the dozen-at-once in infants, worse newborns, and that they are "convenience" vaccines instead of for something like smallpox - and that they put all kinds of crap with it (why when I break a CFL I'm told to evacuate over the Mercury vapor but thimerosol directly into a newborn's bloodstream is safe?).

When Polio was a problem, the salk vaccine - a drop on a sugar cube was simple and didn't have anything else, and was effective (I know it is disputed).

Today it is hard to find the safest version of a vaccine for diseases that might be actual threats.

Anonymous rtp August 03, 2016 9:45 PM  

rates of paralysis have *increased* since the various polio vaccines tz.

That is not to say the polio vaccine caused this increase (although that is certainly plausible), merely that it didn't provide any benefit.

We just call polio GBS, CP, MS, TM, coxsackie etc.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 04, 2016 1:22 AM  

tz wrote:When Polio was a problem, the salk vaccine - a drop on a sugar cube was simple and didn't have anything else, and was effective (I know it is disputed).
That is the Sabin (live attenuated virus) vaccine.  Salk is killed virus in a shot.

Blogger robwbright August 04, 2016 9:50 AM  

My best friend from college went to work for Merck immediately after graduation 22 years ago. He's running a division there now (not vaccines).

He has two daughters and has had them given the regular vaccine schedule. He will NOT vaccinate either with Gardasil and is watching the Japanese case with interest - and without denying that it may be related to the vaccine. Make of that what you will.

Blogger subject by design August 04, 2016 4:57 PM  

Rodger Smith, whoever told you that you could join a lawsuit against vaccine manufacturers was lying to you, since that is no possible in the U.S. Congress granted full immunity to vaccine manufacturers. In lieu of law suits, the government runs the vaccine injury fund, and any compensation paid comes from a tax on vaccines, it doesn't come from the manufacturers.

Blogger republicanmother August 05, 2016 10:37 AM  

One story that is fascinating to hear is that of Dr. Mary's Monkey, which covers the story of the polio vaccine. In order to gain government approval at the time, it was to go through the NIH safety studies, where it was denied by Dr. Bernice Eddy. She said they'd be subjecting the American population to an epidemic of soft-tissue cancer, on account of the SV40. Glad that didn't happen, oh wait...

The deal had already been made with Cutter pharmaceuticals and the rest is history.

As to Gardisil, the lead researcher on that vaccine, Valerie Harper says for the love of all that is holy, don't take it!

Anonymous Sam J. August 05, 2016 5:33 PM  

The last shot I got was Tetanus. I felt it was worth the risk. I don't any problem with vaccine theory I but I believe the quality of vaccines is very poor. Who knows what they are contaminated with and what there real effectiveness is an unknown quantity. I believe their quality has been declining every since they were given relief from being sued.

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