Wednesday, August 24, 2016

What The Inevitable is

In the interest of developing a core Alternative Right philosophy upon which others can build.
  1. The Inevitable is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Inevitable. Progressives are not Inevitable. Liberals are not Inevitable. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right. National Socialists are not Inevitable.
  2. The Inevitable is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
  3. The Inevitable is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Inevitable believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
  4. The Inevitable believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.
  5. The Inevitable is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
  6. The Inevitable is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
  7. The Inevitable is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
  8. The Inevitable is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
  9. The Inevitable believes identity > culture > politics.
  10. The Inevitable is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Inevitable is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
  11. The Inevitable understands that diversity + proximity = war.
  12. The Inevitable doesn't care what you think of it.
  13. The Inevitable rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
  14. The Inevitable believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
  15. The Inevitable does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
  16. The Inevitable is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.
TL;DR: The Inevitable is a Western ideology that believes in science, history, reality, and the right of a genetic nation to exist and govern itself in its own interests.

The patron saint of conservatives, Russell Kirk, wrote: "The great line of demarcation in modern politics, Eric Voegelin used to point out, is not a division between liberals on one side and totalitarians on the other. No, on one side of that line are all those men and women who fancy that the temporal order is the only order, and that material needs are their only needs, and that they may do as they like with the human patrimony. On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal."

This is no longer true, assuming it ever was. The great line of demarcation in modern politics is now a division between men and women who believe that they are ultimately defined by their momentary opinions and those who believe they are ultimately defined by their genetic heritage. The Alt Right understands that the former will always lose to the latter in the end, because the former is subject to change.

The 16 Points in other languages:

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Blogger VD August 27, 2016 6:37 PM  

There is no room to advocate for the nationalism of other races. To do so is to condemn your own to stagnation and eventual domination.

You are stupid and historically ignorant. Colonialism and empire are why the white race is enervated and in relative decline.

If we don't want to lose it, if we believe our best days as a species are ahead of us, we must eliminate the people that would subvert and destroy what we have, and what we've built.

If that's your strategy, then you've already lost. The Chinese will win if you insist upon winner-takes-all.

Blogger Unknown August 28, 2016 12:26 AM  

"The great line of demarcation in modern politics is now a division between men and women who believe that they are ultimately defined by their momentary opinions and those who believe they are ultimately defined by their genetic heritage. The Alt Right understands that the former will always lose to the latter in the end, because the former is subject to change."

This is where you go horribly wrong. The later is also subject to change too. It is called Evolution. Trying to limit genetic selection will make genes less likely to survive and be passed on. This is why Mother Nature punishes inbreeding with disease. Advocating genetic isolation will only hurt your genes survival chances, if that is what you truly value.

I don't think you are motivated by racism/bigotry. I think people who think this of others are projecting their own faults. Having said that, I am annoyed about how you are giving the real bigots ammunition to slander us on the right. Your position is wrong on the facts and merits. Culture (i.e. values), not genetics, is what matters. One of the genetic flaws of the left is stupidity. Out of this stupid, leftist somehow believe all cultures are equal. Because of this, they expect the relative prosperity to continue as they change a highly successful culture with values from far less successful or untested origins. This is where you should focus.

Please pull your head out of your ass on this genetics business.

Anonymous Opus August 28, 2016 5:45 AM  

The British Empire was the greatest force for good the world has ever known. America's foreign interferences - often called empire-lite - have been nothing but disastrous and that is nothing new - Leo Tolstoy a man unlikely to be especially sympathetic to the English thanks to Sebastopol makes that very point in the 1880s praising the British for sorting out the mess created by Americans in I forget which of his many polemical books! The demise of the Empire (and invasion by its former subjects) has been the worst of all things possible. ... and look what happened when the British - a country without a written constitution - provided Constitutions for its newly independent colonies; torn-up within the shortest space the colonies retreating to their former ways - frequently ethnic slaughter. India - our other empire - being a creditable exception but then India had always been a great Empire. Under the guise of being England's friend America shafted her former Motherland and the disastrous results - look at Rhodesia, South Africa, to name but two - are there for all to see. Plenty of reasons for being Alt-Right including the desire to end American bullying and asset stripping world-wide - we could start by declaring Hollywood a threat to the public morals and ban all Hollywood products form England - likewise Coca Cola and MacDonalds.

We sen tour nut-cases to Massachussettes to get rid of them not to be conquered by them.

Blogger p2h August 28, 2016 8:05 AM  

The Alt Right should reject attempts to define the Alt Right. Such attempts do nothing but feed enemies.

Blogger Serr8d August 28, 2016 12:11 PM  

@CathyYoung63 wouldn’t even link to this post, sent her #NeverTrump goon-audience to an archived page whilst she slapped away at you.

I left a comment there..

Blogger El estado del Estado August 29, 2016 3:24 AM  

Some of the principles lack consistency.

For example, how can you support all nationalisms? This overlooks the fact that many nationalisms are incompatible with each other. Supporting all nationalisms is sort of like walking in all directions. Not possible.

For example, does the alt-right support Polish or German nationalism when it comes to the sovereignty of the lands that currently belong to Poland but which were actually stolen from Germany after 45?

Does the alt-right support Spanish or Catalan nationalism? Spanish nationalism claims Catalonia is an integral part of the Spanish nation, whereas Catalan nationalism claims Catalonia is a different nation and should therefore be independent.

Does the alt-right support Galician nationalism (from the Spanish region of Galicia) or Spanish nationalism? Or even better, does it support Galician or Portuguese nationalism? (Since some Portuguese people and Galician nationalists claim to be the same nation).

Similarly, does the alt-right support Italian or Venetian nationalism? Italian or Sicilian nationalism? French or Breton/Occitan/Corsican nationalism? German or Bavarian nationalism? Austrian or Pan-german nationalism?

And this is just within Europe.

Ethnicity, race, culture, are important aspects of any political nation, but to abandon the concept of political nation in the pursuit of pure, untarnished biological nations, is the beginning of war.

Blogger Kratoklastes August 29, 2016 8:45 PM  

It's kinda odd that you mention science a lot, but also mention the Jeebus death-cult a lot.

You can not possibly be unaware that, to the extent that the gallimaufry of drivel in the Judeo-Christian canon has been exposed to scientific scrutiny, it has failed miserably. So much so that the peak body for the Jeebus death cult outlawed its own attempt at 'scientific religiosity' (Modernism, for those playing at home).

There is abundant evidence that the central character in the Jeebus cult is a fictional composite character; that many (and in fact most) of the core tenets ascribed to the character pre-date the Roman occupation of Palestine; that the foundational material that Jeebus wanted to 'perfect' (while not changing a jot or tittle) has zero archaeological support, while counter-narratives have abundant archaeological support. And on and on it goes.

And inb4 'separate magisteria'... that's weasel-wordry to attempt to keep a God of the (rapidly-closing) Gaps.

Confession: by and large I like what you do, but by conflating western culture with Christianity you hitch your wagon to the philosophical equivalent of a mule with a busted leg. For 1500 years, Christianity was the greatest impediment to western scientific and technological advancement - and now that its back is broken, only good can come of it.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 29, 2016 10:22 PM  

weka wrote:Christendom made the West, not the West Christendom
(taking a long time to catch up here) The Greek and Roman pantheons also "made the West" in a very significant sense, but we do not demand a return to them to help expel the diseases which now afflict us.  It has been asserted that Christianity is essential, but I've not seen anything resembling proof.

Anonymous Triggerman August 29, 2016 10:44 PM  

@Geoffrey Transom:

"For 1500 years, Christianity was the greatest impediment to western scientific and technological advancement"

You are a brainwashed historical illiterate. Next you'll be telling us that the Catholic church prescribed that the world was flat, and that Islam was a force for scientific discovery.

To the contrary, the church was an essential ingredient of the culture that created the scientific method, and an essential ingredient of the culture that, perhaps ironically, created the humanism that gave birth to puerile anti-religious meanderings like yours.

Anonymous KattBrenner August 30, 2016 1:58 PM  

How about "We reject 'Conservatism', which, of its nature, is defensive rather than offensive, and therefore constantly loses." Maybe as an adjunct to #2 or #3

Blogger Vlad Z. August 30, 2016 4:17 PM  

There is an inherent contradiction between valuing rationality and science (point 8) and viewing Christianity as a pillar (point 4).

Point 7 rightly belittles belief in unicorns and leprechauns, while above we are presumably expected to take on belief in virgin birth, angels, the devil, original sin and many other false and destructive beliefs of Christianity.

Christianity is an important historical fact, like the age of armored knights. But just as no one would seriously suggest we go back to fighting wars with lances and crossbows, so too is it absurd to suggest that we all close our eyes and pretend we believe in the memetic mind weapons that clouded the thinking of our ancestors.

Blogger Unknown August 31, 2016 3:10 AM  

Finally an abstract term that embraces all my beliefs. Let's make this grow, let's give a body to this term, and make our beliefs Actions.

Blogger Lestibournes August 31, 2016 1:56 PM  

Great work, i think i have finally found something i can honestly call my self on the basis that i could agree with everything written in the 16 noted.
Thank you.

Blogger Felix Krull August 31, 2016 9:35 PM  

You can't be Christian and sciento-wotever at the same time.

What your average American calls Christianity, is a beast that has been whipped into shape by five centuries of humanist revision. Before Christianity had its fangs pulled and were dragged screaming and kicking into the Industrial Age, heretics were tortured and burned alive. As Christopher Hitchens said, we have no right to forget how barbarically they behaved when they were strong and were making an offer that people could not refuse.

Feel free to talk to your own, personal spaghetti monster, but keep him out of politics.

Anonymous rw95 September 01, 2016 7:18 PM  

So Vox, being triracial, does that mean you will be among the first self-imposed deportations after the ethnonationalist government is installed?

Blogger VD September 01, 2016 8:35 PM  

So Vox, being triracial, does that mean you will be among the first self-imposed deportations after the ethnonationalist government is installed?

I did that 20 years ago.

There is an inherent contradiction between valuing rationality and science (point 8) and viewing Christianity as a pillar (point 4).

No, there is not. Don't be an atheist sperg and learn some scientific history.

Anonymous rw95 September 02, 2016 10:44 AM  


Apparently you are in Italy now, correct? (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

By your logic, what right have you, as a tri-racial man, to exist in "homogeneous" Italy? What's more, what right have you to advocate for the future of the west, seeing how genetically speaking, it is only part of your heritage, therefore meaning you have no place in it?

Anonymous rw95 September 02, 2016 1:07 PM  

And remember Vox, all western nations are European nations, but not all European nations are western nations.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 02, 2016 5:39 PM  

Churchians are excluded in point 3. I really should have noticed that.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 02, 2016 6:19 PM  

hapsburg peasant wrote:The definition from is more concise:

Equality is bullshit. Hierarchy is essential. The races are different. The sexes are different. Morality matters and degeneracy is real. All cultures are not equal and we are not obligated to think they are. Man is a fallen creature and there is more to life than hollow materialism. Finally, the white race matters, and civilisation is precious. This is the Alt-Right.

I like the style of this approach and I believe it would be helpful to have the list in both precise and striking language. However, this list is incomplete and the second point is incorrect (the alt-right is anti-hierarchical, "I am the leader of GG").

I'll attempt to do a translation of the original 16 points.

1. The Left is degenerate.
2. Cucks not welcome.
3. Shut up and meme.
4. Deus vult!
5. We belong here, you belong there.
6. Go back to Starfleet Academy faggot.
7. Equality is bullshit.
8. Science is good, not perfect.
9. Identity > culture > politics*.
10. No occupation governments.
11. Diversity + proximity = war.
12. We don't care**.
13. Lawful capitalism yes, free trade no. Opening borders is insane.
14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of White People and a future for White Children***.
15. Racial nationalism yes, racial supremacy no.
16. Segregation is cultural respect.

*IMO the expanded version is religion > genetics > art > identity > culture > politics > economics.
**Extremely useful terms for dismissing whiners: concern troll, SJW, cuck, the black pill. See TRS vocab for more, they create these professionally.
***Capitalized for triggering spergs.

Blogger RedPill September 03, 2016 3:22 AM  

Christian principles and values, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

Blogger Chandos September 03, 2016 9:24 PM  

I'll be very brief....the 14 words have nothing White supremacist about them.. - although White supremacists do identify with them - they are merely White affirmationist. White supremacy, if we want to talk about it is a different subject altogether.

Anonymous SciVo September 04, 2016 3:34 AM  

Opus wrote:torn-up within the shortest space the colonies retreating to their former ways - frequently ethnic slaughter. India - our other empire - being a creditable exception


Blogger Nathan September 04, 2016 9:18 AM  

Vox, all,

Have not read the above comments... (there are many!)

"On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal."

This is no longer true, assuming it ever was."

It it is no longer true, then it was never true to begin with (constant and enduring being illusions), right?

BTW, I have trouble with the idea that I am *ultimately* defined by my genetics. I agree about the importance of nation and ethnicity, and these, of course, have a strong genetic component. But culture is also strong, and new ethnicities have certainly come about in world history. And finally, as a Christian, I am not defined by any culture here below, but the one that derives from above, making me at once in this world but not of it.

Vox - what do you think about this?


Anonymous Anonymous September 04, 2016 5:22 PM  

Point #10 is off-message. Taking your own side does not entail worrying about the well-being of alien peoples.

Many of us really don't give a damn if the darkies are dominated by aliens, some even consider it preferable, and there is the fact that if we don't control their land, another race alien to them will, as China seems to be on its way to doing right now.

Blogger Nathan September 05, 2016 8:28 AM  


I have read #300 up now at this point. Hope to get to the rest lager.

I heard you say something like: Richard Spencer was "kind enough" to say he thought the list was pretty good. According to Wikipedia,

"Greg Johnson, then-editor of The Occidental Quarterly, stressed how Spencer's concept of the "Alternative Right" was to collect a variety of perspectives that are outside the purview of the American Conservative movement:[12]

[Alternative Right] will attract the brightest 'young' conservatives and libertarians and expose them to far broader intellectual horizons, including race realism, White Nationalism, the European New Right, the Conservative Revolution, Traditionalism, neo-paganism, agrarianism, Third Positionism, anti-feminism, and right-wing anti-capitalists, ecologists, bioregionalists, and small-is-beautiful types."

I note the neo-paganism, which is able to excise Kirk's "constant" and "enduring," while of course, real Christianity, being that it syncs with classical Greek philosophy’s notions of permanent “universals”, could never do that and remain itself. Are all desires to practice “equality” wrong? The Bible says that God is “no respecter of persons,” which I take to mean that He, in spite of choosing a special people for Himself, nevertheless treats people equally when it comes to his law and gospel - each human being is important to Him by virtue of their being His creations (D.T. #356 nails it). Where do people think America’s founders, those many deists and theistic rationalists, influenced by Enlightenment ideas, ultimately took their ideas from? (at least in terms of cultural capital)? I guess we lose that to. Vox, I respect you greatly, but the way I see it, your "perspective" is being "collected" as well. I wonder if what Scott Adams says about Trump doing to the G.O.P. these "neo-pagans" and atheist-types might look to do to you: hollow you out and wear you as a skin (and yours ideas as well). (A warning of sorts Vox?: “The Alt Right should reject attempts to define the Alt Right. Such attempts do nothing but feed enemies.”)

Cathy Young has a point here to, doesn’t she?: “The alt-right is a movement that purports to champion American nationalism yet rejects the opening proposition of the Declaration of Independence and embraces a fantasy of "unmolested" sovereignty/homogeneity that probably has its closest historical counterpart in medieval China -- wall and all.”


Blogger Nathan September 06, 2016 10:01 AM  


Something I would like to share with you and any readers of this thread. I think it is very much related to what I said above. I have written a post at the Just and Sinner blog on patheos called "The Rorty-ification – and Hegelianization – of the West: A Primer on Social Constructivism and Social Constructionism for Concerned Americans". Here:

I am happy you approve comments because a) it means you will see this ; and b) you can know that I am not simply just trying to get hits for my own blog - its enough to me that you see this post, if that is what you choose to do. Maybe I am a little too big for my britches here (I'm not a pro. philosopher), but I think I have a point worthy of consideration....


Blogger dott September 07, 2016 3:00 AM  

"zero archaeological support"?

Modern man "discovered" the Hittites only because the Bible said they existed, and those archaeologists who BELIEVED the Bible kept looking for them, while others declared the Bible's claim of "Hittites" was a major basis for it's "fableism and falsehood". And the same is true for DOZENS of other cultures, people, nations, rulers, and places. It was the BIBLE that spurred their discovery and GUIDED Archaeology FOR YEARS, and in many cases STILL DOES SO.

Blogger dott September 07, 2016 3:22 AM  

He is laying his own definition and "ground rules" on "Who is (or constitutes) the "Alt-Right" in order to determine "Who are" his OWN enemies -- being, of course, anyone who disagrees with his definition.

Correct, VoxDay?

Blogger dott September 07, 2016 3:25 AM  

Tell that to Newton, among others.

Blogger dott September 07, 2016 3:42 AM  

Oh, boy.... How almost exactly backward can you get, really!? Throughout the history of Christianity, BELIEVERS were the ones that were tortured and burned alive -- pursued
by religionist and pagan, and humanist governments and groups, and by zealous individuals, like Saul of Tarsus (a.k.a.: the Apostle Paul after his own conversion) acting in concert, together, or separately.

Blogger Nathan September 07, 2016 9:07 AM  


Looking at your post about the incoherence of conservatism, but commenting here. You say:

"To conservatives, "all men are created equal" is a Magic Spell of unlimited potency that is not only, contra literally ALL the evidence, historically definitional, but can even be invoked to instantly transform any individual, tribe, people, or nation into Americans."

I agree with your critique here. I think that Jefferson can only say this because he is borrowing from the capital created by Christian influence, and is thereby, in a way a) paying tribute to Christianity (where God is "no respecter of persons" when it comes to his treating all persons according to his law and gospel) and b) using it for his own, more Enlightenment-oriented ends.

I thought you might enjoy seeing this quote from the Indian Christian (nation of India) Vishal Mangalwadi, in his book "The Book That Made Your World":

“A postmodernist would be absolutely right in insisting that the Declaration of Independence was wrong. These ‘truths’ are not ‘self-evident’. Human equality is not self-evident anywhere in the world – not even in America. Equality was never self-evident to the Hindu sages. For them, inequality was self-evident. Their question was, why are human beings born unequal? Hinduism taught that the Creator made people different. The higher castes were made from his head, shoulders, and belly, and the lower castes were made from his feet. The law of karma accentuated these basic differences. The Buddha did not believe in the Creator, but he accepted the doctrine of karma as the metaphysical cause for the inequality of human beings….

Equality and human rights are not self-evident truths. In his original draft, Thomas Jefferson penned, ‘We hold these truths to be sacred and unalienable.” That was the truth. That is why the Declaration grounded the ‘unalienable’ rights in the Creator rather than in the state. The most honest declaration would have been, ‘We hold these truths to be divinely revealed.’ Revelation is the reason why America believed what some Deists ascribed to ‘common sense.’ To be precise, these truths appeared common sense to the American founders because their sense was shaped by the common impact of the Bible – even if a few of them doubted that the Bible was divinely revealed.” (391, 392)

I note here that Gregg Frazer, writing in a monograph about the founding fathers published by the University of Kansas Press, thinks very few of the founding fathers were actually Christians. On the other hand, he says that the category of “deist” also does not work for most of them either, as most of them believed in a present and active God (who intervened in history) and also allowed for the existence of some divine revelation, although they believed that all true revelation would be acceptable to human reason. He says that many of them also show evidence of believing that “all roads lead to God” – God has different names, but it is all the same… For these reasons, he says we need a new category: not deist, not Christian, but “theistic rationalist”. (note: not even a “rationalist theist”). Frazer argues that men like Jefferson and Adams really did believe themselves to be Christians because they actually did appreciate the moral teachings of Jesus. That is what they meant by “Christianity” (see here for an interview with the author and a somewhat critical review of the book here)


Blogger Nathan September 07, 2016 9:17 AM  

BTW, I said "my blog" above - its my blogpost but not my blog. I do posts at that blog, which is run by pastor Jordan Cooper.


Blogger Nathan September 07, 2016 9:19 AM  

The first "here" I refer to above is this link:

The second "here" I refer to above is this link:


Blogger Balazs Varga September 10, 2016 8:35 AM  

Everything there sounds fine to this European. It would be good to have an USA based political party that is actually on the side of the european nations.

Blogger The Original Buzz September 12, 2016 11:03 PM  

Doesn't 14 contradict 15? All men are created equal.....except white people, they are more equal.

Anonymous notamobster September 15, 2016 8:44 PM  

The Central Failures Of The Alt-Right.

Anonymous notamobster September 15, 2016 8:45 PM  

My thousands of readers will read my comments, whether you post my link here or not. I just want you to see my argument.

Anonymous Anonymous September 24, 2016 3:14 PM  

VD, do you still care for translations of these into other (european) languages? I sent (for the second time today) a translation to the voxy daisy gmail account. It never bounced back, but who knows, google not being evil and all, it may have been deleted or sent to trash. Alternatively (great word), if it was just being ignored, a gentle f/off would have sufficed (and I will stop trying).

Blogger Goy Rogers September 26, 2016 7:20 AM  

Brain candy for the #DreadIlk re: Alt Right Point #8. Pi = 4. Backyard scientody FTW.

Anonymous another leppo November 18, 2016 4:28 AM  

what do i do if my genes fucking suck tho

Anonymous Anonymous November 18, 2016 4:29 AM  

What does this mean? The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.

Blogger VD November 18, 2016 8:03 PM  

VD, do you still care for translations of these into other (european) languages

Yes. Use the email address on the left sidebar.

Blogger Tracy Coyle November 18, 2016 9:14 PM  

You are a human being, not an animal - you can be different than your genes....

Anonymous Anonymous November 21, 2016 8:04 AM  

Why should Christianity be one of the three pillars? It is a sect of Judaism and dependent upon Jewish religious texts. Its central figure is a Jew who claimed to be the son of the Jewish god. As a Northern European man, my ancestral gods are the Aesir and the Vanir, not the God of Abraham.

Blogger Tommy 'Sterilize 'Em All' Douglas January 06, 2017 5:44 PM  

The CTRL/LEFT is based on, wait for it, control.

Anonymous Bob January 26, 2017 7:33 PM  

I know this is an older thread, but perhaps someone is still participating.

On point one, can we say the alt-right is not fascist? Because it really disavows Marxism, and at least under Mussolini's version I don't see a whole lot of difference except on two points between Fascism and Marxism. I'm not sure if fascism was left out deliberately or if it was just considered redundant. I'm guessing the latter, though I believe it might be useful as an aside considering the way the terms are thrown around with no regard for historical definitions.

Blogger Jefferson Kim February 03, 2017 3:28 PM  

It seems the late Murray Rothbard would be in step with many of the 16 points.

Blogger Jefferson Kim February 03, 2017 4:23 PM  

Jeff Deist, president of the Mises Institute would probably agree with a lot of the points as well.

Anonymous Faustian April 25, 2017 11:49 PM  


Right of the bat, point 10 is the weakest. Sure it sounds real good but it is not the nature of man nor the world. History and land acquisition cannot be framed in right and wrong but necessary and excessive.

It is the right of self determination which is greater than any treaty or law that governs man. Men will always break treaties and who is willing to do so in an international community will have an advantage over those who will not.

10. Should simply be, all peoples, nations and races have a right of self determination as they so require.

This is what made the West great, we failed when we began to think in terms of right and wrong instead of necessary, futile and excessive.

If it is necessary, do
if it is excessive, avoid

Anonymous Anonymous July 13, 2017 4:39 PM  

1. Wrong, it's reactionary.
3. There's a huge flaw with never admitting you're wrong, and that your idea has been defeated. And the alt right keeps using pseudoscience and non-scientific Christianity mentioned in #4 to further it's goals.
4. Western civilization isn't a thing. The world has largely been intertwined, sharing ideas, trading, mostly been at peace and communicating since at least 1750s. Can you even imagine living in Europe and only using resources, ideas and tools produced in your state? I sure can't.
5. Nationalism is just advanced Tribalism. Also, i saw something about rejecting -isms since egalitarianism...and that one sure as hell came after egalitarianism
6. ^ refer to #4, being anti-globalist is reactionary, counter-productive, isolationist, warlike, and ...stupid.
7. Our ability to expect and understand what another human needs, wants, thinks and does is unprecedented. To arrange people in tiers is not only an insult to oneself, but leads only to conflict and class war.
8. You just invented a word to say you think democracy is unscientific.
9. social construct>social construct>social construct.
10. We're not imperialists, HONEST. We swear to our picture Bible.
11. [a person, you]+[a person that thinks, your mom]=WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!!
13. I like bananas. Bananas don't grow here. That is a GREAT reason to trade. I don't even.
14. We're not white supremacists, HONEST.
15. We're not racists..we just...don't want to trade, talk, even consider people who think differently to be human.
16. Altright is a r...philosophy of peace.

Anonymous c matt August 02, 2017 3:40 PM  

The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects all concepts of equality except equality before the law for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form."

Agree with this - an explicit distinction needs to be made between "equality before the law" and "equality of outcome". Equality in the sense of "before the law" is a key aspect of Western Civ (if not always perfectly executed in practice). Right to to a fair trial is in; affirmative action is out.

Anonymous Full-Fledged Fiasco August 15, 2017 9:03 PM  

A lot of dummies in this thread. Pleasureman was right, Vox's effort is indeed stellar. Let's hope it wasn't all for naught.

Anonymous Anonymous August 17, 2017 1:21 AM  

The only Caucasian privilege that Caucasians exercise is punching the clock and going to fucking dirty RCC pawn-spawn & nescient tool.

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2017 2:41 AM  

Then how does one explain the Islamic Golden Age, which flourished during the European Middle Ages (Dark Ages) when Europe was ruled by the Holy Roman Empire?

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2017 5:01 AM  

To say nothing of the Native Americans they ran slipshod over...

Anonymous Anonymous August 18, 2017 5:03 AM  

At least Hong Kong has been turned over at last to China from whic it was taken.

Blogger The Religious Left August 18, 2017 6:32 AM  

Copying things like gunpowder and arithmetic?

Blogger Beneath the Firmament August 18, 2017 12:47 PM  

Some Altright people are in fact homosexual.

Anonymous cl August 21, 2017 2:34 AM  

Good idea to develop a manifesto, as an aside, before the enemy starts to define us tomorrow. -178, Robert Divinity August 24, 2016 10:32 AM

Prescient indeed!

Anonymous VFM #6306 October 18, 2017 11:01 AM  

Additional points for consideration:

17. The Alt-Right is decentralized and adaptive, not a lose coalition of voting factions beholden to the transient governmental structures of democracy, aristocracy or monarchy. The Alt-Right eschews formal institutional hierarchy.
18. The Alt-Right will use all available tactics to advance strategic objectives, and does not confuse the tactics of branding and marketing for strategies of philosophical coherence and social victory.
19. The Alt-Right patiently invites all genuine discourse, and proactively expels, bans and works to prevent the incursion of any philosophical enemy falsely portraying himself as like-minded.

Blogger Finn Greagoir Bryant November 09, 2018 3:55 PM  

If neither white nor civic nationalism works for America, what form will?

Blogger Arcux April 10, 2019 11:56 PM  

Just reading this for the first time. Is this the actual genesis of the "Alt-Right" we hear so much about lately being attributed to White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis? Or is this a move to formalize the philosophy and "take the reigns" of the white nationalist mishmash?

Blogger James Fox Higgins May 28, 2019 10:50 PM  

This list might have scared the crap out of me 3 or 4 years ago... as the veil of indoctrination is lifted from my eyes, my rational mind sees clearly that there's nothing wrong with ANYTHING proposed here, and the only thing it stands to prevent is imposed costs by parasitism from ANY out-group against ANY in-group.

The Alt-Right, as it turns out, is for everyone (except those who can't let go of their parasitism).

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Blogger Bibliotheca Servare November 18, 2020 10:44 AM  

Vox, you missed one "Alt-Right" in Point 1. "...marxians and neocons are not Alt-Right."

If you intended to leave that one in, mea culpa for assuming otherwise. God bless!

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