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Sunday, August 07, 2016

When the Pope is not the Pope

What does that make him? Ann Barnhardt explains that, resignation or no resignation, Benedict XVI is still the Pope, not the Pope Emeritus, which makes the so-called Francis, what, exactly? I'm neither Roman Catholic nor an expert on Vatican law, but there is no question that Mr. Bergolio's behavior has been worrisome, even to many Protestants and non-Christians:
Pope Benedict XVI Ratzinger submitted an invalid resignation in February of ARSH 2013, predicated upon the error that the Papacy could be bifurcated or in any way shared or expanded.  The relevant Canon is Canon 188, which states very plainly and succinctly:

A resignation made out of grave fear that is inflicted unjustly or out of malice, substantial error, or simony is invalid by the law itself.

Last week, one of the most prestigious Vatican journalists, an Italian named Sandro Magister, published a piece called “A ‘Pontificate of Exception’. The Mystery of Pope Benedict Against the Antichrists who are undermining The Church.”  In this piece, the VERY influential and respected Magister quotes Italian Canon Lawyer Guido Ferro Canale at length, who honed-in on a very specific German term used by Pope Benedict’s personal secretary, Archbishop Georg Ganswein in late May: “Pontificate of Exception”, or “Ausnahmepontifikat”. Canale argues persuasively that Ratzinger may have thrown the Petrine Office into a suspended state of juridical emergency.

Magister also quotes Ganswein at length showing that Ratzinger STILL BELIEVES himself, and RESIGNED WITH THE INTENTION of continuing to BE THE POPE....

Jorge Bergoglio is NOT the pope. Joseph Ratzinger is the pope – Pope Benedict XVI.  “Pope Francis” is a fiction, and thus all of the scandal and damage that this wicked man Jorge Bergoglio is wreaking is, at its core, a function of the fact that we are calling him by a false name. We all know that it is a wicked lie to call Bruce Jenner “Caitlyn”, because to do so is to assent to a lie.  If we can all understand the gravity and scandal of a z-list celebrity and madman calling himself a woman, how much more grave is it to call a man who is NOT the Vicar of Christ, “the Pope?”

What it is high time people start discussing openly is the distinct possibility that Antipope Bergoglio is the False Prophet Forerunner of the Antichrist.  Students of End Times prophecy tell us that The Antichrist will neither be the pope (obviously), nor even APPEAR to be the pope.  BUT, the False Prophet Forerunner of the Antichrist could certainly APPEAR to be “a pope”.  And if one thinks about it, it makes perfect diabolical sense for the False Prophet Forerunner to be precisely that – an antipope.  He would wield the authority of Peter, auto-destruct the institutional Church, and even establish a false, apostate church, a “one world religion” with himself at its head, all in preparation for the coming of The Antichrist, who will be a secular leader that attempts to deify himself.  And if the False Prophet Forerunner were an antipope, the Holy Ghost would be “kept out of the way” with regards to the graces and protections of the Petrine Office.  This is why Bergoglio spews heresy on a near-daily basis.  It isn’t because The Holy Ghost is failing, or has forsaken the Petrine Office or the Church.  It is because Bergoglio is not the pope.  It really is that simple.

What I am now convinced Antipope Bergoglio is doing is attempting to draw “all peoples unto himself” and coalesce his power in preparation for the unveiling of a “one world religion” which will ultimately be the client of a “one world government”.  This has been the stated goal of Freemasonry for these last 300 years, manifested in the United Nations, the European Union, and the regime now occupying Washington D.C., and now we see the open and aggressive drive to dissolve all international borders, both conceptually and physically, with Antipope Bergoglio as its primary propagandist.  This has also been foretold in countless prophecies.
Now, having grown up in the shadow of various Christian eschatologists, I am extremely disinclined towards the paranoia of the Left Behind crowd, who see the Revelation of St. John playing out every time Russia sends a gymnastic squad to a competition, someone shoots someone else in the Middle East, or a Democrat is elected President. I have heard more candidates for "the Antichrist" than I can recall, from Jimmy Carter to an up-and-coming political player in Uzbekistan.

So, I don't take this sort of Christian fretting about the End Times seriously at all. And yet, it's impossible to deny that there is some seriously freaky stuff taking place behind closed doors in the Vatican at the same time the globalists are going off the deep end with their one-world policies.

All I can really say is that this is really not the world I envisioned when the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union collapsed.

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167 Comments:

Blogger Matt August 07, 2016 1:07 PM  

What world did you envision, in your college aged idealism?

Blogger Josh August 07, 2016 1:08 PM  

From the link:

This is why Antipope Bergoglio has already ratified sacrilegious reception of Holy Communion by Catholics in unrepentant mortal sin, is going to open reception of Holy Communion to Lutherans, and then all Protestants, and then eventually EVERYONE, beginning later this year in Lund, Sweden.

Oh heavens!

Blogger Markku August 07, 2016 1:08 PM  

As God is my witness, this is exactly the world I envisioned, before the next round of major events.

Blogger John Regan August 07, 2016 1:09 PM  

Well, the papacy is always vacant for that period of time after a pope dies and and new one is elected, which only shows that the church can continue, at least temporarily, without a pope. Other than that, people can certainly surmise and speculate, but there are only a few who can do anything about any of it, and I'm not one of them.

Blogger pyrrhus August 07, 2016 1:09 PM  

It's a very peculiar situation....Ratzinger "resigns", but states that he is still the contemplative Pope. Bergoglio is elected after lobbying, which is strictly banned by Vatican law, and hence his election is probably invalid....Bergoglio goes full bore Globalist cultural marxist.....hmmm

Blogger Sam August 07, 2016 1:10 PM  

There's controversy surrounding M. Martin, but his book "Keys of This Blood" on the Catholic Church and its intrigues and dust-ups with the Globalists had an interesting passage that seems ever more noteworthy:

"Most frighteningly for [Pope] John Paul [II], he had come up against the irremovable presence of a malign strength in his own Vatican and in certain bishops’ chanceries. It was what knowledgeable Churchmen called the ‘superforce.’ Rumors, always difficult to verify, tied its installation to the beginning of Pope Paul VI’s reign in 1963. Indeed Paul had alluded somberly to ‘the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary’. . . an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia - rites and practices - was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin, in Italy, and South Carolina, in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel’s rites." (p. 632.)

Blogger Servant of the Chief August 07, 2016 1:12 PM  

Typically, a 'Pope' historically abdicates to settle an antipapacy, as was the case when the Western schism got sorted out eventually, (all of Catholic Europe was divided in the confusion for years but thankfully it didnt result in bloodshed) in such a case there is an open question to exactly who is the real Pope therefore one or the other could be declared non-Pope.

This situation seems deliberately muddied for some reason. It is confusing and hurtful for Catholics, troll around in Catholic blog circles (alt-right, mainstream or traditionalist, take your pick) and you'll see plenty of friction over it.

Blogger Matamoros August 07, 2016 1:12 PM  

I like Ann but she is not a theologian. Other Popes have resigned, so Benedict's resignation is valid.

Which means that we are stuck with Francis until God mercifully takes him and hopefully gives us a Pope who will protect the Church, its Faithful and its Faith.

Regardless of Francis being an anti-Pope, the belief of Catholics rests not upon a man, but upon the Faith of the Church which is always and forever immutable.

Francis, et al., can only deceive the gullible. The Faith is readily available for anyone who bothers to search.

Blogger LurkingPuppy August 07, 2016 1:17 PM  

And if one thinks about it, it makes perfect diabolical sense for the False Prophet Forerunner to be precisely that – an antipope. He would wield the authority of Peter, auto-destruct the institutional Church, and even establish a false, apostate church, a “one world religion” with himself at its head, all in preparation for the coming of The Antichrist, who will be a secular leader that attempts to deify himself.
Oh, so Obama isn't the Antichrist after all. Good to know.

Blogger Krul August 07, 2016 1:19 PM  

"I don't take this sort of Christian fretting about the End Times seriously at all."

If you did, this would be good news. If Glory of the Olive is still the Pope, then we have at least a little time left before Peter the Roman signals the destruction of Rome and the final judgement of the dreadful judge.

Then again, Nostradamus claimed he could see all the way to Anno Domini 3797, so by that we've got plenty of time left.

Anonymous Commentator August 07, 2016 1:23 PM  

Also to read is www.akaCatholic.com, Louie Verrichio has went a little bit into this also.

Blogger dlw August 07, 2016 1:24 PM  

> I have heard more candidates for
> "the Antichrist" than I can recall,

No less an authority than Jimmy Swaggart proclaimed the Antichrist was Ozzy Osbourne. How can you argue with that?

"Now Jimmy, he got busted
With his pants down
Repent ye wretched sinner
Self righteous clown..."

Blogger Matamoros August 07, 2016 1:26 PM  

Just tripped over this today:

Antonio Ruffini On Consecration of Russia
Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) authorized the blessing of a chapel on the spot where Ruffini received the stigmata on the Via Apia, and Father Tomas, the miracle worker, wrote a booklet about him a short account of the life of Ruffini. I myself (Fr. Kramer) knew Ruffini for many years. In the early 1990s Ruffini was asked point blank in his home: Is John Paul II the Pope who is going to do the Consecration of Russia? He answered: No, it s not John Paul. It will not be his immediate successor either, but the one after that. He is the one who will consecrate Russia. That is, Benedicts successor (Francis is an antipope), during this time of world war and persecution of the Church."

Blogger Jew613 August 07, 2016 1:27 PM  

Is there any way in Catholic religious law to impeach a pope?

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra August 07, 2016 1:28 PM  

The pope is relgeated to someone who sides with NOI, sides against Trump, misuses the bible and the Vatican's bankings or $books are secret, meaning you perverts helped gay men whom did not molest children but the RCC did off them refuge as priests, its just the RCC is no longer a church or a faith of any sort.

It is about the money and econ., the end times are a lie in that they do not matter - we will all live to our nautral deaths, no one here is into despiar, slef harm or the level of SJW and PreSJW mental illnesses of self harm -

We love Christ, we are or let the Lord let us be sprinters, movers, shakers, winners (not that we have to be the best, it was a striking example of humility when Vox (I hope I recalled this properly) stated he sought to be the worst writer at CH in that the TALENT of CH and the wonderful men and lady professionals (not sure on the staffing - I dont know, I am being inclusive here) are changing millions of minds.

(I wish Vox and Stefan could reach millions of people for the dialectical not rhetorical or emotionalism.)

What is the pope engaging in over the last year? PC, ecumenicism, as if we can mesh with NOI or pagans, nullsense illogical talk, the pope discussing economics which he has no clue of nor did he ever need to!

I have said or wondered silently that popes are senile and want money while their poor flock gives it to them, the Pope is a scam just like college. Vatican is above the law and I have NO regard for them, they wrecked the body of CHrist and its up to the Lord to correct me if I'm so wrong, or correct me here - it is not the regular goers but the leadership - bringing in women, a henhouse to the RCC?

Never and Nein!

Anonymous Rolf August 07, 2016 1:29 PM  

Ah, a most cunning plan. Most cunning!
1) The real Pope "steps aside
2) SJW pope gets appointed
3) all the SJW cardinals emerge from the woodwork
4) the REAL pope steps back into office, casts down the false pope, crushes the now-exposed SJWs
5) Real pope gets his crusade on

I like it... there's got to be a good thriller book in that plot-line, I'm sure.

Anonymous andon August 07, 2016 1:35 PM  

I'm not surprised if current occupant is somehow behind the removal of the previous pope and installation of SJW pope. also behind merkel's change on multiculturalism

threats and intimidation behind the scenes, dirt on the Vatican, etc

Anonymous andon August 07, 2016 1:41 PM  

also, I was ashamed to see Poland welcoming the pope last week

if he gets his way there wont be a Poland

Anonymous Jester August 07, 2016 1:47 PM  

Biases on the table: I'm a sedevacantist.
To be a valid Pope, he needs two things: to be a Catholic (i.e. not a public heretic -- see St. Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice) and to have been validly elected. (Yes, this is simplifying, but it's accurate enough for this.)
Attacks such as this on Francis are attempts to prove he wasn't validly elected, which seems simple enough. However, they also dodge the question of whether the last five Popes were, or were not, heretics according to the anathemas laid down by the Council of Trent in the 1500s. Francis is, pretty obviously, a heretic -- many of his statements go against magisterial teaching -- but that's a can of worms most Catholics, still holding to the Vatican as on the right path, want to dodge. So they launch attacks like this on Francis, trying to prove he's not the Pope, without creating a precedent that can be more generally applied.

Blogger Josh August 07, 2016 1:48 PM  

I like it... there's got to be a good thriller book in that plot-line, I'm sure.

IIRC that was sort of the plot of Angels and Demons, except the crusading pope was the antagonist.

Blogger Robert Divinity August 07, 2016 1:54 PM  

And yet, it's impossible to deny that there is some seriously freaky stuff taking place behind closed doors in the Vatican at the same time the globalists are going off the deep end with their one-world policies.

This. It is impossible to believe the stars aligned this perfectly for the transnational utopians/communists. I lack the theological background to evaluate Ann Barnhardt's claims here, but they come off less as serious analysis and more as wishful thinking and an understandable desire to distance Francis from the Roman Catholic Church. Francis is an embarrassment to Western Catholics but is doesn't make him any less the pope. I'm going to read Magister's piece now and see if it changes that perception.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 07, 2016 1:57 PM  

I don't believe the End Times are upon us. I do believe the devil does want his people to work tirelessly to achieve his goals for the End Times.

Blogger Carlos Carrasco August 07, 2016 2:00 PM  

I miss my German Shepherd.

Blogger Popa August 07, 2016 2:08 PM  

I think we can rule out Hillary as the anti-Christ. Certainly the devil doesn't buy this pc bullshit.

Blogger Kristophr August 07, 2016 2:13 PM  

Does this mean that a new Pope can be elected once Benedict 14 dies?

Anonymous andon August 07, 2016 2:16 PM  

last time I went to church (maybe 15 years ago) they were all holding hands. I decided not to go back

Blogger GracieLou August 07, 2016 2:23 PM  

As a Catholic...It's bad. It's really bad. Badder than the Borgias who were horrible people but left the faith intact, badder than previous anti-popes, who were sometimes heretics, sometimes just vying for position with other men claiming to be Pope. It's bad.

I've posted this before but the Church prophecises its own death and resurrection before The Day Of The Lord in the Catechism:

675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.

Anonymous Freddy August 07, 2016 2:24 PM  

"End times?" You mean the "Last days," of the Jewish temple @ 70 ad when Titus starved Jerusalem into mother's eating their own children, false messiah's on each wretched street corner? The entire book of Hebrews was a warning to new Christian converts not to go back to those old temple cultic sacrificial ways. And then Jesus comes in judgement against "that generation" who refused to flee to the mountains as he destroys the temple through his agent Titus. Those were the "Last Days."

Blogger Lori August 07, 2016 2:25 PM  

NAPALT?

Anonymous johnc August 07, 2016 2:27 PM  

The issue is that almost all of this theory is coming from Abp. Ganswein who I don't necessarily hold credible on the matter. When you hear Benedict speak of it -- and he has several times since his resignation -- he seems to be very clear that he makes no claim to the papacy.

I'm not saying that Francis is a valid pope though. I don't think we can say that for sure, because I always thought there was some kind of requirement that the pope couldn't be a manifest flaming heretic.

But to expand on Abp. Ganswein's view: http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/05/ganswein-papacy-was-transformed-in-2013.html

OpenID camillacameo August 07, 2016 2:29 PM  

Josh wrote:From the link:

This is why Antipope Bergoglio has already ratified sacrilegious reception of Holy Communion by Catholics in unrepentant mortal sin, is going to open reception of Holy Communion to Lutherans, and then all Protestants, and then eventually EVERYONE, beginning later this year in Lund, Sweden.

Oh heavens!


Josh, if you're a good Protestant you wouldn't want to go to Catholic Communion any more than a good Catholic would want you to. I believe Protestants are wrong, but I respect the ones who believe in their doctrines and are willing to fight for them far more than those who don't. Bergoglio is saying none of our beliefs about Christ matter, and that's an insult to both sides.

Awesome to see Vox himself quoting Ann now! Two people I admire immensely.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 07, 2016 2:33 PM  

Freddy, just because "Immanuel, God With Us" was first a child born well before Jesus Christ, and Christ Himself was not literally named Immanuel by his parents, does not exclude "Immanuel" from ALSO being twice-fulfilled prophecy.

Just because the Revelation of Jesus Christ clearly foretold the immediate downfall of the Temple does not mean it is a finished prophecy.

As bloody as the sack of the Temple may have been, after all, I am pretty sure that the blood didn't rise to the bridles back then.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 07, 2016 2:34 PM  

Jew613 wrote:Is there any way in Catholic religious law to impeach a pope?
Historically, when a pope needed to be removed, he's been impeached with arsenic.

@28 Freddy
Because as we all know, prophecies can only have one application, and the past is never a prefigurement of the future.

Anonymous johnc August 07, 2016 2:34 PM  

Of course one can't be cognizant of the vision in the Third Secret of Fatima (partially? released by the Vatican c. 2000) and not wonder if it applies to the current situation:

"And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'."

A bishop dressed in white, who they thought was the pope? What bishop other than a pope wears white?

Blogger lowercaseb August 07, 2016 2:41 PM  

Rolf wrote:Ah, a most cunning plan. Most cunning!

1) The real Pope "steps aside

2) SJW pope gets appointed

3) all the SJW cardinals emerge from the woodwork

4) the REAL pope steps back into office, casts down the false pope, crushes the now-exposed SJWs

5) Real pope gets his crusade on.


That's like a papal Hundred Flowers campaign. If that is true, I might have to rethink my idea that there is nothing good about communism.

Blogger Whisker biscuit August 07, 2016 2:48 PM  

Barack Obama is not the anti-Christ, because I believe the anti-Christ will be smart enough to properly read off a teleprompter.

Blogger lowercaseb August 07, 2016 2:49 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Jew613 wrote:Is there any way in Catholic religious law to impeach a pope?

Historically, when a pope needed to be removed, he's been impeached with arsenic.


This is a chance for the church can embrace modernity and polonium.

Blogger The Other Robot August 07, 2016 2:53 PM  

No doubt, the globalists are getting ready for a Muslim to become Pope and a Constitutional Scholar as well.

Blogger Joe Keenan August 07, 2016 2:57 PM  

God is the author of history, no one can alter the story He is writing. Note the vainglorious who think otherwise.

Anonymous MendoScot August 07, 2016 3:00 PM  

Just a reminder that the most Christian nation on earth continues to target believers while the lickspittle Roman bishopric remains silent.

Blogger Bobo #117 August 07, 2016 3:04 PM  

Chuck Missler tossed a theory out that there have been many potential Antichrists throughout the history of the church, because satan isn't privy to the time nor season. He's a clever devil, but he's nowhere near omniscient.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 07, 2016 3:05 PM  

Christendom is a shambles right now. Marxist heresy flourishes

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 07, 2016 3:06 PM  

Christendom is a shambles right now. Marxist heresy flourishes

Anonymous andon August 07, 2016 3:07 PM  

@ #39 - sounds like an excuse to do nothing

Blogger Nick S August 07, 2016 3:08 PM  

Freddy wrote:"End times?" You mean the "Last days," of the Jewish temple @ 70 ad when Titus starved Jerusalem into mother's eating their own children, false messiah's on each wretched street corner? The entire book of Hebrews was a warning to new Christian converts not to go back to those old temple cultic sacrificial ways. And then Jesus comes in judgement against "that generation" who refused to flee to the mountains as he destroys the temple through his agent Titus. Those were the "Last Days."

You're too short for this ride, lying preterist scum.

Anonymous Godfrey August 07, 2016 3:08 PM  

@28
Spot on Freddy. Old Israel ended in 70 AD.

Blogger tim August 07, 2016 3:09 PM  

Well then you get into hermeneutics. Apocalyptic language which Rev certainly is but it comes way after pervious apocalyptic language we find in Isaiah. The "generation" of Matt 23 is clearly those that crucified the Lord of Glory. Marcellus Kik, Greg Bahnsen, Ken Gentry, Gary DeMar, Doug Wilson, all post mill / partial preterist guys have written much over the years.

As far as the return of Christ? I think it is a long way off. Eventhough times look dark it reminds me of the Reformation motto: "Post Tenebras Lux", After Darkness Light.

Blogger Joe Keenan August 07, 2016 3:10 PM  

@40 Errrr...China is the most Christian nation on earth? If it was, why would it target itself? China is not Christian, there are lots of Christians in China though. America isn't Christian either, hence the destruction we sow world wide. Lots of Christians live here though. Regarding the silence of Rome, it's deeds that matter, not words. "Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock.

Blogger Josh August 07, 2016 3:13 PM  

Josh, if you're a good Protestant you wouldn't want to go to Catholic Communion any more than a good Catholic would want you to.

No True Scotsman Protestant!

Blogger Bobo #117 August 07, 2016 3:14 PM  

Chuck Missler tossed a theory out that there have been many potential Antichrists throughout the history of the church, because satan isn't privy to the time nor season. He's a clever devil, but he's nowhere near omniscient.

Blogger Nate August 07, 2016 3:14 PM  

I am reminded of Outlaw X and his take on Catholic Prophecy and why Benedict did what he did.

I remember Outlaw being extremely impressed with Benedict's move but never understood the why of it.

Anonymous Godfrey August 07, 2016 3:15 PM  

All Christians should understand that the world is enemy territory.

Blogger Nate August 07, 2016 3:16 PM  

"Josh, if you're a good Protestant you wouldn't want to go to Catholic Communion any more than a good Catholic would want you to."

ManyJosh, if you're a good Protestant you wouldn't want to go to Catholic Communion any more than a good Catholic would want you to."

are you Wells? You sound Wells.

Blogger tim August 07, 2016 3:18 PM  

The prophecies the fortold Christ birth and death, sure, multiple sermons have been preached on what they meant and no doubt the preacher made many applications with his sermon. That is quite different than speculating about "Left Behind" eschatological theories that violate basic biblical hermeneutical principles.

The problem I have is when we use apocalyptic language as though it's literal with blood rising to the horses bridles.

Blogger tim August 07, 2016 3:20 PM  

Nick, partial preterist. Throw it down, let's see what you got.

Blogger tim August 07, 2016 3:21 PM  

Tell that to Nicki. Probably never read Marcellus Kik, but all "Left Behind" series on his shelf.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope August 07, 2016 3:22 PM  

Considering that for the several hundred years, virtually all protestant theologians considered the Roman Catholic Church system and its entire leadership to be the anti-christ, this certainly interesting.

I think most Protestant denominations have backed off that in the last few decades. The RCC is seen as just too big and important of an ally since its regaining power worldwide after suffering a major setback during Napoleon's reign. They realize that if they want to gain more power and enact more moral legislation, they will need the RCC help. For example, look at the US Supreme Court. How many Protestants on it right now?

It won't be too long (years, not months, though) before almost everyone will turn to the Pope as a way to unite the world to combat something (muslims, world hunger, globalists (irony), natural disasters, or all the above). Even those who earlier claimed to have a biblical complaint against the entire priestly system will hold their nose for the sake of expediency.

Too bad.

Anonymous MendoScot August 07, 2016 3:29 PM  

@48 The Chinese underground Church refuses to compromise belief with the Government.

The RCs co-operated with Mao in the elimination on non-Catholics in return for official recognition.

Same old, same old. Enjoy your Pope, you deserve him.

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan August 07, 2016 3:40 PM  

Lord have mercy, Vox. I can't believe you started this shit.

Blogger Joe Keenan August 07, 2016 3:42 PM  

@58 As I thought, you can not respond to a reasoned post, so you move the goal posts. Oh, and the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ "And Jesus came into the quarters of Caesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is? But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?

Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven."

Blogger Gunnar Thalweg August 07, 2016 3:43 PM  

Ann Barnhardt is a nut. Like a lot of crazy people, she can seem sane. She's not.

Pope Francis is the legitimate pope. IMHO, and only that, he is not quite up to the extremely high levels we were used to in Pope JPII and Pope Benedict. But Francis is the pope. We don't always get people of the quality of the two previous popes.

Blogger The Other Robot August 07, 2016 3:43 PM  

I have heard that in 2017 Obama will move to Rome where the CIA will install him as Pope Anichristus the first.

Anonymous jdgalt August 07, 2016 4:07 PM  

Is this another Pope-in-Avignon situation? In particular, does Benedict claim his crown back, or is this just a stupid protest by members who disagree with changes the new Pope has made?

Blogger residentMoron August 07, 2016 4:08 PM  

Plenty of time?

No doubt that's what God intended Christians to believe by saying things like "behold I come quickly" or that day shall come as a thief.

Yep, just relax, we got plenty of time.

That's exactly the message we're supposed to get. You can tell when winter is near but you can't discern the time?

Sounds kinda familiar.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 07, 2016 4:09 PM  

Joe Keenan, the first pope was Leo I, in the 400s. That is the succession of Popes we are talking about here.

Blogger Parallel August 07, 2016 4:11 PM  

> The RCC is seen as just too big and important of an ally since its regaining power worldwide after suffering a major setback during Napoleon's reign. They realize that if they want to gain more power and enact more moral legislation, they will need the RCC help.

As a lifelong practicing Seventh-day Adventist this comes as not much of a surprise. For the last century or more, our eschatology has explicitly anticipated the reunification of the Protestant denominations with the Vatican, followed by alliance with secular government authorities.

The unanticipated element in our eschatology? Convergence (big C) of Protestant and Catholic institutions to the Marxist Social Justice "gospel" (heresy, really).

But it's not much of a logical leap from individual institutional Convergence (big C) to formal convergence (little c). Fits right in with what we SDAs have been teaching each other for many decades.

Blogger Thordaddy August 07, 2016 4:12 PM  

And even further, how maddeningly insane is it to call every dyke, de facto dyke and radical female liberationist a "woman?"

Blogger FSL August 07, 2016 4:12 PM  

I am a convert to Catholicism from Lutheranism

Legally, any baptized man can be elected pope, so long as they are elected by the college of cardinals. The article is either malicious or stupid, and it overlooks that:
A) Benedict XVI himself accepts Pope Francis I as his Pope. So where's the "duress"?
B) Benedict isn't even the first pope to resign.
C) Probably most importantly, real Catholics believe in the infallibility of the Church, of which Papal infallibility is only a part. When the entire teaching arm of the Church in unity with the Pope promulgates and accepts something regarding faith and morals, such as who the real Pope is, she cannot make a mistake. She is protected from doctrinal error by the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete who Jesus promised the apostles would "Lead you into All the Truth." "And what you bind on Earth will be bound in heaven."

We've had much worse Popes without losing doctrinal integrity. His opinions on the matters of this world are irrelevant. That's not his job. His job is to lead regarding matters of the Faith, to lead the City of God, rather than the City of Man. You can't have an anti-pope the real pope accepts. Benedict XVI is one of the holiest and best Popes we have ever had, but by his own will and decree, he is no longer the Pope and Francis I is.

Anonymous Jimmy Pacek August 07, 2016 4:12 PM  

This is very true. We have been spoiled with good popes. We need to learn again to be faithful under bad ones.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 07, 2016 4:20 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:Joe Keenan, the first pope was Leo I, in the 400s. That is the succession of Popes we are talking about here.

I'm sure you even have an elaborate explanation.

Blogger The Kurgan August 07, 2016 4:21 PM  

VD,
I'm still a heathen technically and yet I have been saying Francis fits the category for herald of the antichrist for a while now. Surprised Ann picked up on it only now. Furthermore, I think she is mistaken and actually the Carholic Church has been sedevacantist since 1958.
I'm still no expert, but you know how it is when you are not afraid to read and have +3SD IQ.

OpenID peppermintfrosted August 07, 2016 4:21 PM  

The Pope hasn't taught heresy regarding faith and morals because Francis isn't the Pope. Nice.

Spiritualists literally believe that their logical word games have something to do with reality.

Blogger Nate August 07, 2016 4:29 PM  

"Lord have mercy, Vox. I can't believe you started this shit."

I assume he wanted to keep the Ilk busy and distracted for a while.

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 07, 2016 4:36 PM  

No, Snidely. Just plain old Church history. The truth doesn't require elaborate stories.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 07, 2016 4:40 PM  

VFM #6306 wrote:No, Snidely. Just plain old Church history. The truth doesn't require elaborate stories.
Just definition of words, players and actions.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni August 07, 2016 4:46 PM  

Read about a very odd thing. Pope Francis was asked about men claiming to be women and vice versa and how the Church looked at such a thing. He freaked out and said how terrible this was and that the Church would never countenance this sort of thing. Sounded very inconsistent with his aggressive modernism. Now I think he may have pulled back from the precipice for fear of being removed for approval of clear heresy. Why do I think Benedict may have set this up? Perhaps Francis will change his tune like Pio Nono in 1848.

Blogger Edward Isaacs August 07, 2016 4:51 PM  

Francis has always been an anti-sodomite.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-pope-francis-called-homosexual-marriage-a-machination-of-the-father-of

"Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God," wrote Cardinal Bergoglio in a letter sent to the monasteries of Buenos Aires. "We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God." "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God," wrote Cardinal Bergoglio in a letter sent to the monasteries of Buenos Aires. "We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

The simplest explanation of his behavior is that he's a naive bleeding-heart overflowing with compassion for sinners, and this leads him to say some stupid things.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook August 07, 2016 4:57 PM  

I have prayed for the day when you would feature Ann shes a true Godsend and needs way more coverage and exposure than she has. If you haven't already please see her video on Diabolical Narcissism its the most comprehensive and thorough take down of Islam, SJWs, modern liberalism and feminism, to name of few, that ive ever seen. God bless you I feel His hand moving behind the scene and forming ranks more and more everyday.

Heres a link to the vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geZ_StEuT0E

Blogger Dave August 07, 2016 5:01 PM  

"I assume he wanted to keep the Ilk busy and distracted for a while."

The trifecta: Pope, Trump, Immigration

Anonymous BGKB August 07, 2016 5:15 PM  

I think we can rule out Hillary as the anti-Christ. Certainly the devil doesn't buy this pc bullshit

Soros doesn't believe or buy PC BS, he sells it.

a function of the fact that we are calling him by a false name. We all know that it is a wicked lie to call Bruce Jenner “Caitlyn”

Here is another guy in a dress that has everything fake. http://nypost.com/2016/08/02/cross-dressing-bank-robber-says-he-was-packing-a-water-gun/

All I can really say is that this is really not the world I envisioned when the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union collapsed

I never thought any Gay rights lawyer would claim arresting gay men for having public sex near a little league field is “the gay equivalent of Jim Crow Laws.”
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/08/04/san-jose-police-accused-of-stings-singling-out-gay-men/

Related Disney builds a wall to keep (((reptilians))) out https://www.yahoo.com/news/disney-builds-stone-wall-lake-where-alligator-killed-143341728.html?ref=gs

Anonymous Alsos August 07, 2016 5:18 PM  

The Other Robot wrote:No doubt, the globalists are getting ready for a Muslim to become Pope and a Constitutional Scholar as well.

That would be Ibtihaj Muhammad who Kamau Bell nominated to be the politically-correct flag carrier. The same Ibtihaj Muhammad who was shown in a little vignette before every single movie/episode I watched while flying extensively on United over the past three weeks, a promo for a 70-minute documentary that United apparently really, really wants passengers to watch.

And the same Ibtihaj Muhammad who complains that she doesn't "feel safe" as a hijabi living in the United States. Who apparently is an Obamaphile Democrat to judge by the treacly Daily Beast profile.

She seems to be the propaganda pawn-du-jour. I fully expect some big drama involving her to come up during the games and generate even more media coverage.

Blogger Skylark Thibedeau August 07, 2016 5:21 PM  

Can't they just kidnap Benedict and set him up in the old Papal housing in Avignon?

Anonymous Coprophagius Maxiumus August 07, 2016 5:22 PM  

LurkingPuppy wrote:

Oh, so Obama isn't the Antichrist after all. Good to know.


Nigga pleez. D'Won be WAAYYY too stupid of' da sheet.

Blogger Nxx 14 August 07, 2016 5:38 PM  

Fact 1: In February 2013 SWIFT (Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication) blockades the Vatican preventing any financial transactions either to or from. In international law a blockade against a sovereign state is an act of war.

Fact 2. Three days into the blockade Pope Ratzinger inexplicably announces his resignation.

Fact 3. Immediately after the resignation is announced SWIFT lifts the blockade.

Fact 4. A Papal resignation under coercion is prima facia invalid.

Fact 5. Christian doctrine holds that when moneychangers occupy the temple they must be expelled with violence and force.

Sources (in Italian):
Ratzinger non poté “né vendere né comprare”

Giallo Vaticano

(in French):
Reprise au Vatican des paiements par cartes bancaires (mis à jour)

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 07, 2016 5:43 PM  

Jew613 wrote:Is there any way in Catholic religious law to impeach a pope?

I think so. Barnhardt mentioned something about the College of Cardinals having the authority to remove a heretical pope. However, in light of the unfortunate situation of their heavy infestation with heretics, apostates and pedophiles, this seems highly unlikely. They might as well go full-retard and erect minarets to surround St. Peters and hoist the rainbow flag. I doubt even such blatantly obvious actions would be enough to deter his defenders, whose arguments remind me of those made a decade ago by the defenders of Jorge W. Busheron (the famous Islamic theologian Imam al-Duhbya, the Mahdi of West Tejas) who was a triple-layer secret conservative who was going to deliver the kill shot to the libtards any day now…. guess ol' Imam al-Duhbya really was a master of Islamic theology, at least the part about taqquiyeh.

Blogger The Reactionary August 07, 2016 5:47 PM  

I'm not Catholic, but Barnhardt is a barely-disguised lunatic.

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan August 07, 2016 5:54 PM  

Nate wrote:"Lord have mercy, Vox. I can't believe you started this shit."

I assume he wanted to keep the Ilk busy and distracted for a while.


Heya, Nate. I was thinking about you a few back, when I was watching a show about Lee & Grant.

I noticed, they went on & on about Grant forcing Vicksburg to surrender, but they never mentioned "Grant's Canal".

I remember you folks cruised by Mississippi a while ago. Did you happen to see that?

It's nice, and have a lot of nice houses along the "they call it a Bayou now"


https://www.nps.gov/vick/learn/historyculture/grants-canal.htm

Blogger tz August 07, 2016 6:06 PM  

Left Behind? But John Paul 1 was "half moon".

Blogger Joe Keenan August 07, 2016 6:15 PM  

@65 Actually, the first pope was Peter. I even posted the scripture of Christ (God) giving him the Keys to the Kingdom, of giving him the power to bound and loosen. See:
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Peter-Keys-Scriptural-Handbook/dp/1882972546/ref=pd_sim_14_27?ie=UTF8&dpID=5155CY59KSL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR104%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=CF6A0H7ZJZQ6FGK3QSM8

Blogger Dave August 07, 2016 6:16 PM  

Grant was an Antichrist?

Blogger residentMoron August 07, 2016 6:18 PM  

"'m not Catholic, but Barnhardt is a barely-disguised lunatic."

You're not very good at this argumentation thng, either.

Trying a "Disqualify!" call on this blog is not a sign of excessive intelligence.

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan August 07, 2016 6:20 PM  

Nah, Grant was just a turd.

Sherman, now, is a different subject.

OpenID malcolmthecynic August 07, 2016 6:20 PM  

There isn't a decent argument contained in that desperate lunatic rant. Pass.

Blogger Chris Mallory August 07, 2016 6:22 PM  

Christian "priests" are blasphemous.

We are clearly told in the Scripture that all Christians may come boldly before the Throne of God. The Temple Veil was torn that all may come to God without any intercessor other than the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:16
"16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."

And that there is but one mediator between God and man and he isn't a pervert in a black suit or a false prophet in a funny hat.

"1 Timothy 2:5-6
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.…"

The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon.

Blogger Joe Keenan August 07, 2016 6:31 PM  

@94 Ironic you quote from a book given to you by the Catholic Church. @86 There is within Catholicism (all religions I guess) people that identify themselves as the saviors of the religion. All of them probably mean well (at least in their own minds) and they do many good deeds. But, they tend to come off the rails, too. Eventually, they see the Church as wrong, and themselves as right. This is playing out now

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan August 07, 2016 6:31 PM  

LOL...you cry "Christians", and you quote from Hebrews...while you tear down Catholics.

How stupid can you get? How old are you?

Blogger JWM August 07, 2016 6:36 PM  

"Now, having grown up in the shadow of various Christian eschatologists, I am extremely disinclined towards the paranoia of the Left Behind crowd..."

Vox, I'm curious. Are you are familiar with the work of Joel Richardson? His book, Answering Islam, compares Christian, and islamic eschatology. It is fascinating, and quite disturbing. (entire book at link)

http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm

JWM

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 07, 2016 6:45 PM  

The purpose of such a clerical mistake is, presumably, the same as when Obama flubbed his presidential vow. These people take the magical aspects of contractual oaths very seriously.

Anonymous SciVo August 07, 2016 6:47 PM  

Robert Divinity wrote:This. It is impossible to believe the stars aligned this perfectly for the transnational utopians/communists

I find it perfectly credible that if you push and push and push, relentlessly, without pause, day after day, year after year, decade after decade, generation after generation, eventually -- perhaps not for over a century, but inevitably -- the stars will someday be aligned for you. If only they put such determination and energy into creation instead; but alas, they are scorpions and it is their nature to destroy.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 07, 2016 6:52 PM  

The spirit of antichrist is Gnosticism. It follows directly from the definitions:

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

Gnosticism:

"If matter is evil, then Jesus Christ could not be true God and true man, for Christ is in no way evil. Thus many Gnostics denied the Incarnation, claiming that Christ only appeared to be a man, but that his humanity was an illusion." (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-great-heresies)

Gnostics think of themselves as keepers of the esoteric, hidden truth of Christianity but they are dangerous heretics who need to be rooted out constantly, with violence if need be.

Blogger Chent August 07, 2016 6:53 PM  

@peppermintfrosted

Not different from the situation where a secular government is not the legal government because the process to elect it has broken some important law.

But hey don't let basic logic prevent you from doing your "you are morons because you think different from me" routine

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 07, 2016 6:56 PM  

Re: communism and socialism,

If your ideology holds that entropy is good, then every act of destruction and perversion is in service of that greater good.

Anonymous crushlimbraw August 07, 2016 6:57 PM  

"The end times are here!!!!!" - been there/done that!
Matt 24 has been fulfilled - you can read a book by that title.
Revelation was essentially completed in 70 AD - it's history.David Chilton's "Paradise Restored" is a good book to read.
Christians are on the earth for a reason - we're not potted plants - we should stop acting like one. Anyone interested in more of my take can visit my website and/or blog. It's part of my entire Government/Religion/Politics/Culture scenario

Anonymous SciVo August 07, 2016 7:02 PM  

Maximo Macaroni wrote:Pope Francis was asked about men claiming to be women and vice versa and how the Church looked at such a thing. He freaked out and said how terrible this was and that the Church would never countenance this sort of thing.

If that isn't an exaggeration -- if he actually "freaked out" (became highly agitated and animated) -- then I am suddenly suspicious of whether some women have already been ordained as priests, even bishops and cardinals. I'm suddenly picturing scenes out of Terry Pratchett's Monstrous Regiment.

Anonymous Rollory August 07, 2016 7:04 PM  

Ann Barnhardt makes a habit of claiming things have been demonstrated that, in fact, have not been.

She also says things that are true, and harsh, and in need of saying. This doesn't mean one should overlook it when she says things that, to be polite, lack supporting evidence.

I read Sandro Magister's article. I do not see any compelling evidence for the claims Barnhardt is making; the Ganswein quotes are _not_ lengthy and none of them support the claim that Benedict resigned while fully intending to have that resignation be completely invalid; fully intending that there be only one pope and that it be himself, Benedict. I can imagine all sorts of rationalizations for this argument but they are imaginative and impractical and most importantly not derived from anything Benedict himself has said or done.

While I am not particularly impressed with Francis (he strikes me as a garden variety softheaded leftist) it would not be the first time she has said extravagant things about Francis where a reference to the actual original quote fails to support her claims or indeed indicated the opposite (the one about the Argentine nuns and the rosary was particularly egregious in this regard). In fact she's done this on non-Papal topics as well; I will merely mention the explicit lies in her Vendee presentation about how that topic is taught in French schools, and her treatment of the Seal Team 6 plane crash where she immediately asserted that it was Obama assassinating the Bin Laden team to shut them up, and repeatedly reiterated that in spite of the fact that the people who died weren't involved in the Bin Laden raid and that the circumstances of the crash weren't at all congruent with what one would expect from something manipulated from North America instead of random Afghan hillbillies firing off missiles.

Ann Barnhardt has her qualities. Consistent believability is not one of them. Read her, but verify before believing.

Blogger Joe Keenan August 07, 2016 7:07 PM  

http://www.catholic.com/documents/pillar-of-fire-pillar-of-truth

The End Times nonsense is nonsense. Jesus said, Only The Father knows when He is to come. Yet there are thousands out there that have it all figured out. I don't think so.

Blogger tz August 07, 2016 7:11 PM  

@99 - Maybe they never go out of the frying pan into the hellfire - Gno-stick cookware.

I don't like this Pope,
On the slippery slope,
But don't lose hope,
for a while just cope,
awaiting the divine Nope!

Blogger tz August 07, 2016 7:12 PM  

@98 - it was just a clerical error!

Blogger Robert Divinity August 07, 2016 7:16 PM  

if you push and push and push, relentlessly, without pause, day after day, year after year, decade after decade, generation after generation, eventually -- perhaps not for over a century, but inevitably -- the stars will someday be aligned for you

No doubt the transnational utopians and their communist forebears have been relentless. This still seems too perfect despite such tremendous efforts.

In the early days of his papacy, from recollection, Benedict announced he saw Europe's Muslim population as ripe for conversion. A firestorm ensued, and once it died down he poured a little more fuel on the embers when he quoted a Byzantine emperor about the wonders of the Religion of Pieces.

Francis remains mute as the world's oldest Christian communities are exterminated and pushes the Religion of Peace meme.

The Vatican's new approach is in perfect harmony with the borderless world the US and EU want enforced by Jannisaries. There must have been massive coordination along with the ceaseless effort before the stars became this perfectly aligned, which I suppose is your point and probably spot on.

Blogger tz August 07, 2016 7:18 PM  

The hard part of being Catholic is you can't claim that the equivalent of "Churchians" in your midst aren't heretical or preaching a different gospel or something else.

You have to agonize intellectually, or as a better alternative just toast the saint of the day sufficient times with sufficient ethanol (Gran Marnier, Drambuie, Maker's Mark, or a good single malt Scotch recommend) until the angst and (protect us from all) anxiety disappears.

Blogger tz August 07, 2016 7:26 PM  

I did suggest the possibility that to resolve the Puzzle of Francis it might be he is an anti-pope. There is more than one way to skin a lion, but make sure it doesn't end up on a Donkey as the above Lewis reference warns.

Blogger residentMoron August 07, 2016 7:35 PM  

"There isn't a decent argument contained in that desperate lunatic rant. Pass."

Then it will be a trivial task for you to illustrate your claim with reference to an actual statement from the rant.

I won't hold my breath, OK?

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 07, 2016 7:36 PM  

tz wrote:@98 - it was just a clerical error!

Wipe? Like with a cloth?

tz wrote:@99 - Maybe they never go out of the frying pan into the hellfire - Gno-stick cookware.

I don't like this Pope,

On the slippery slope,

But don't lose hope,

for a while just cope,

awaiting the divine Nope!



Nice.

I figure the whole business is a Luciferian honeypot for Christian elites. It's nice to be around other smart people and be special and get special secret knowledge that makes you more effective at life.

Blogger Nick S August 07, 2016 7:37 PM  

"Nick, partial preterist. Throw it down, let's see what you got."

Luke 17

Anonymous MendoScot August 07, 2016 7:42 PM  

It's time for your meds, John.

Past time, perhaps.

Blogger dfordoom August 07, 2016 7:44 PM  

@40. MendoScot

Just a reminder that the most Christian nation on earth continues to target believers while the lickspittle Roman bishopric remains silent.

When I look at Christianity today I can't help thinking that maybe the Chinese are wise to be cracking down on Christians. Christianity will try to spread the same SJW nonsense that has destroyed the West into China. The Chinese are simply defending their own culture. More power to them. As a nationalist I support Chinese nationalism.

The Chinese are also very wise in cracking down on democracy, democracy having proved to be catastrophic in the West.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 07, 2016 7:49 PM  

Christianity is also a rabidly expansionary ideology, which is why SJW parasites hitch a ride on church coattails. We're overdue for a detoxification.

Blogger Dean Esmay August 07, 2016 7:51 PM  

I find most of it overstated to be honest. Francis can't draw Muslim ire by condemning Muslim actions or people die by the millions overnight. Those who think the Pope condemning "Islamic Terrorism" wouldn't cause all of NATO to go apeshit and shooting to start at locations all over the globe isn't thinking straight.

The Pope--which is what Francis is--comes out of a mileu that was steeped in something called "liberation theology." Anti-Catholics who know this rightly identify it as crypto-Marxism disguised as Catholic theology. What they usually don't know is that it was suppressed, and allowed to come back only completely neutered of either the atheism or the Socialism, replacing it with Distributist principles (where yes the rich do have an obligation to the poor--which it is on their conscience, primarily) and where "liberation" is now phrased to mean liberation from anything which prevents us from growing closer to the Lord. Now maybe you suspicious types think that still means the Marxist camel's nose in the tent, but consider:

All the most Trumpite Catholics I know roll their eyes and say "yeah Francis is so liberal" but that's it. Nobody looks to him on how to vote because that's not what we look to the clergy for. Separation of Church and State is the norm. Even if he IS soft on commies, or a secret commie (I doubt it for reasons I could go on about at greater length but wont), it doesn't matter, he's not King of Catholicdom, he's our chief cleric. He can be an incompetent madman, he is still Pope unless he starts literally changing things, and if he goes to far you can take it as writ measures will be taken.

The Church Hierarchy is not politically unified. You have liberal Cardinals Conservative Cardinals whacky almost-heretic Cardinals and so on and so forth. Their job is to keep the Deposit of the Faith and to make sure the Sacraments are delivered and the Church is protected. They don't tell us how to vote.

Even in Poland, I got word from multiple Poles: most of them love Francis, many think he's a kooky liberal but they love him anyway. The notion that we just obey his every utterance is nonsnese. He's not the all-powerful King, and Catholics still think for themselves.

I will also repeat: a Pope who turned even mildly anti-Islam gets people killed. Really. Think hard what would happen if he were something OTHER than a doddering old man speaking about compassion and religious liberty. His most mildly negative words will be used as an excuse for reprisals against innocent Christians all across the Levant, Africa, and elsewhere--he's note Pope of Europe, and even though they're not in Communion, you know if he got nasty with Muslims there would be retaliations against Coptics, Eastern Orthodox, and countless others who don't even like the Pope. You might even get a deeper more truculent East/West schism among Christians, which hardly seems desirable.

Rather than reflect upon Francis's failings, why not let him continue in his Papacy assured that he is not bribable, he is not running for election, he is an old preacher talking. Catholics might well go to war with ISIS over his objections, if there were any such objections. Don't assume Catholics have changd that much. Their sense of being Catholic way exceeds their love of any particular Pope. In fact, historically, most Popes weren't all that popular to begin with. If you understand the Catholic thing, you understand why it is able to both overestimate and understimate the import of a Pope's words.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 07, 2016 7:52 PM  

Blame Ratzinger. It is his doing.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY August 07, 2016 8:03 PM  

I guess you where talking to johnc, Mendo . I haven't uttered a peep until now. I am gonna make it a point to stay out of this.
He's not my Pope, the Catholics have to deal with him.
Sherman was most def the spawn of Satan , though.

Blogger LurkingPuppy August 07, 2016 8:13 PM  

Dean Esmay wrote:Francis can't draw Muslim ire by condemning Muslim actions or people die by the millions overnight.
Jesus can't draw Roman ire by condemning Roman actions or people die by the millions overnight. Oh wait, he did, and Christianity survived.

Reagan can't draw Soviet ire by condemning Soviet actions or people die by the millions overnight. Oh wait, he did, and the West survived.

So why can't the Pope speak out against an evil religion that is routinely murdering Christians now? (Or did they run out of nearby Christians to murder already? I guess that's possible.)

Blogger Robert Divinity August 07, 2016 8:13 PM  

@117

Benedict didn't seem to have a problem with calling out Islamic atrocities. Francis does and has remained mute while a literal genocide has been committed against Christians in the Levant and Iraq. The idea that if the pope calls out mass murder he will inflame Islamists is quite Obama-esque.

Anonymous Clay The Swamp Spartan August 07, 2016 8:28 PM  

Mosby, you're a goober (:)

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY August 07, 2016 8:34 PM  

"Mosby, you're a goober (:)"
You and I both know it, Brother Clay.
Hope all is well with you and yours, sir.

Blogger Jeffrey Quick August 07, 2016 8:37 PM  

Pope is as Pope does. Francis is exercising the office, so he is Pope, through God’s permissive will. If he is in fact an anti-Pope, that won’t be ascertained until after the fact. Now, if Benedict dies, and then Francis immediately dies, that might be construed as support for the Barnhardt Theory.

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 07, 2016 8:54 PM  

@92
Grant was the one that held Sherman's leash, except he took it off to let Sherman have his way. Grant is the same as Sherman.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY August 07, 2016 9:00 PM  

Sherman was a vile beast, Grant not so much.
Nathan Bedford Forrest scared the hell out of Sherman, as Custer was rattled by my namesake.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 07, 2016 9:31 PM  

I'm inclined to view Sherman and Grant with Christian charity. War is always an ugly business.

Anonymous andon August 07, 2016 9:33 PM  

@ #125 - who held Grant's leash?

Anonymous BGKB August 07, 2016 9:35 PM  

War on marriage continues http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti/2016/08/01/irs-increases-marriage-penalty-unmarried-cohabitants-to-get-twice-the-mortgage-interest-deduction/#50dc0beb14c8

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY August 07, 2016 9:37 PM  

"I'm inclined to view Sherman and Grant with Christian charity. War is always an ugly business."
The war is ugly part I agree,it is.
The " Christian charity " bit, not NO but HELL NO.
Only a damn yankee would say so. You are a damn yankee, are you not ?

Blogger Were-Puppy August 07, 2016 10:15 PM  

Sherman is not beloved in many areas of Georgia.
Especially the ones burnt down.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 07, 2016 10:17 PM  

Here are a couple of articles on this subject from Novus Ordo Watch:

Benedict XVI Speaks: "My Resignation Was Valid"

Rev. Paul Kramer: "Benedict XVI Still Pope" - The Rise of "Resignationism"

Blogger VFM #7634 August 07, 2016 10:18 PM  

Christianity will try to spread the same SJW nonsense that has destroyed the West into China.

@115 dfordoom
Hey dimbulb, how come this "SJW nonsense" only made headway in the West when it rejected Christianity?

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 07, 2016 10:21 PM  

yes, yes. Lincoln unleashed Grant and loved to listen to thd stories about Sherman's bummers. At least the bastard got not to enjoy his new creation.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY August 07, 2016 10:27 PM  

"Sherman is not beloved in many areas of Georgia.
Especially the ones burnt down."
You know if we would burnt them to the ground like ol' Cump did we would have never heard the end of it. But since it is the scurrilous Yankee trash did it to us, it's okie dokie. EFF 'EM.

Anonymous andon August 07, 2016 10:36 PM  

same thing happens today - they want to blame everything on hillary and pretend there's nobody higher up the chain

Blogger The Other Robot August 07, 2016 10:42 PM  

On the other end, we find things like The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise

Blogger Desiderius August 07, 2016 10:45 PM  

Dean Esmay,

Have you considered the moral hazard implicit in your argument?

Blogger SemiSpook37 August 07, 2016 10:50 PM  

Dean Esmay wrote:Even in Poland, I got word from multiple Poles: most of them love Francis, many think he's a kooky liberal but they love him anyway. The notion that we just obey his every utterance is nonsnese. He's not the all-powerful King, and Catholics still think for themselves.

This is probably the best way to look at him. I can chalk up most of the ridiculous things he's said due to his Jesuit formation AND his Peronista upbringing.

I'd be more worried if he was planning to say things ex cathedra. Thankfully, it's been 66 years since the last time that happened.

Blogger EscapeVelocity August 07, 2016 10:55 PM  

I have a healthy skepticism of Papists.

Blogger praetorian August 07, 2016 11:13 PM  

Took communion from a hilarious elderly Irish priest this morning as the sun streamed in through the stained glass in Tahoe, California.

There is a great deal of ruin in a church.

Blogger Ken Prescott August 07, 2016 11:31 PM  

Aren't the End Times . . .

. . . supposed to END AT SOME POINT IN TIME?

Anonymous S E Delenda August 08, 2016 12:19 AM  

"All I can really say is that this is really not the world I envisioned when the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union collapsed."

Certainly not. It as though we thought a skilled oncological surgeon had removed a tumor, only to find out that the cancers of statism and socialism had already metastasized.

Blogger Ceerilan August 08, 2016 12:33 AM  

In my time living in the west, I've learned that you can only trust the media to run stories that fit their master's narrative. Thus, anything the MSM says about the Pope should be viewed as tainted by ideological crusaderism. We know this today as: social justice warriors always lie.

As a longtime Catholic, I'll attempt to read the Code of Canon Law (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM) as it applies to the Papacy and give you an approximate meaning in plain language. Without knowing better, I will assume that the Papacy follows all of the rules for Ecclesiastical Offices. I'm not a Canon Lawyer.

The Pope is allowed to resign for cause, age being a specific cause listed. Since he has no earthly superior to tender his resignation to, his resignation is effective immediately, which triggers a conclave. After the conclave elects a successor, the new Pope may confer the title of Pope Emeritus or equivalent on the previous Pope. This title is allowed to have some portion of the responsibility of the Papacy.

The Sandro Magister article linked by Barnhardt makes this point: “has by no means abandoned the office of Peter ... an expanded ministry, with an active member and a contemplative member ... a collegial and synodal dimension, almost a shared ministry.” This to me sounds like Vaticanese for Pope Emeritus with the power to pray for all humanity and maybe some theological clout. What this doesn't do is directly undermine the Papacy of Francis.

The issue that is more dangerous to the current Papacy, and is much less clear, is whether or not the Papacy was transferred without coercion, bribery, or some other form of ill intention, all of which would invalidate the process at one point or another. Whether or not this has occurred is a matter of fact which may make itself clear over time. Regardless, it will be moot when Pope Francis' successor is elected.

Anonymous Icicle August 08, 2016 12:54 AM  

I think my all-time favorite pope-al moment was the Cadaver Synod of 897 AD.

Let's make sedevacantism great again!

Anonymous andon August 08, 2016 1:06 AM  

@ #145 - the MSM loves this pope

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 08, 2016 1:12 AM  

Catholicism, properly understood, excludes nothing save exclusion itself. Enter by the broad gate.

Peter's palsied pretender keeps the keys to the crypt. Step-padre, no moleste!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 08, 2016 1:47 AM  

EscapeVelocity wrote:I have a healthy skepticism of Papists.
Speaking as a papist, I'll assert that you're not nearly as skeptical of papists as I am.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope August 08, 2016 2:50 AM  

Parallel, it is not a coincidence that our views align on this topic. Although even with 19 million members, we're a tiny minority now among the Protestants, most of whom have abandoned Christianity for churchianity.

Anonymous TS August 08, 2016 3:20 AM  

"What world did you envision, in your college aged idealism?"

What every pathological leftard envisions when socialism/communism is finally done right. A sexy shiny futuristic utopia.

Anonymous TS August 08, 2016 3:27 AM  

Pardon me VD that didn't come out right. I should have said probably not the leftards vision of a "sexy shiny futuristic utopia". I hate the left and take a swipe at their vision every chance I get.

Anonymous TS August 08, 2016 5:35 AM  

The ironic thing about the lefts vision, the sexy, shiny futuristic utopia is that only the alt-right could pull it off or get close to it.

Anonymous Greg C August 08, 2016 11:20 AM  

Personally I believe we have a slew of Satan's agents, Francis, Obama, Hillary, Merkel, and most of the rest of the Globalist Western leaders, that Satan is using to usher in the Turkey based One World Shari'a and Caliphate.

Anonymous Pennywise August 08, 2016 12:29 PM  

"I'm still a heathen technically and yet I have been saying Francis fits the category for herald of the antichrist for a while now."

I just don't understand this logic. Care to explain?

Anonymous Clay August 08, 2016 12:30 PM  

Holy Shit.

Blogger tim August 08, 2016 4:01 PM  

Oh, and "get they thee behind me Satan."

Blogger tim August 08, 2016 4:17 PM  

Have you read I Intellectuals by Paul Johnson? Kind of reminds me of Chesterton regarding intellect, "can created a very clever race of devils," if divorced from moral wisdom.

Blogger tim August 08, 2016 4:33 PM  

That's not exactly "throwing it down." This link my help clarify misconceptions.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/k/kik-marcellus.html

Blogger tim August 08, 2016 4:38 PM  

https://youtu.be/9C253dP2zUQ

Blogger S. Misanthrope August 08, 2016 5:22 PM  

"All I can really say is that this is really not the world I envisioned when the Berlin Wall came down and the Soviet Union collapsed."

But it does seem an awful lot like the world you envision in A Throne of Bones...

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY August 08, 2016 10:32 PM  

156. Clay August 08, 2016 12:30 PM
"Holy Shit."
I hear ya loud and clear, my brother.
People, the consensus is this Pope sucks. You don't have to be a Catholic or Prot to come to this conclusion.
He's going out his way to make an ass out of those that believe in Christ and him crucified, let us not allow him to do so.

Blogger John Wright August 08, 2016 11:26 PM  

' Ann Barnhardt explains that, resignation or no resignation, Benedict XVI is still the Pope,'

By that logic, Felix V is also still Pope, as his abdication in 1449 was invalid.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY August 09, 2016 12:10 AM  

Mr. Wright, I am not a Catholic, Although my dear Mother was born and raised one and several of my family ( on her side ) are still practicing Catholics.
I find it hard that anyone could support this wretched cur, I don't give a damn about the " well, he is the vicar of Christ "
(he ain't, hate to break it to you guys ) I'm sick and damn tired of hearing " Well, he's the Pope, we've had bad ones before, and we will get through this one, we just have to wait for him to croak, then the college of cardinals might get it right next time "
Fuck that noise.








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Anonymous jOHN MOSBY August 09, 2016 12:34 AM  

And no, Mr. Wright am I laying the blame at your feet, sir.
You are a straight up guy in my book.
Please don't you or any Catholics on this blog take it personal.

Blogger tim August 09, 2016 3:13 AM  

Which Christian eschatology?

Blogger tim August 09, 2016 3:27 AM  

Really? And that tired argument the Peter is the 1st Pope after Jesus tells him to " get behind me Satan."

Eff the Pope's and that entire Roman succession.

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