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Tuesday, August 23, 2016

Why Worldcon changed the rules

Year: votes (nominations)
2012: 1922 (1101)
2013: 1848 (1343)
2014: 3587 (1923)
2015: 5950 (2112)
2016: 3130 (4032)

The number of nominations rose in 2014 and 2015 due to the appearance of Sad Puppies, then Rabid Puppies. The big influx of Supporting Members began in 2014, when the SJWs, alarmed, gathered the herd to No Award Larry Correia and the rest of the Puppy finalists. They made an even bigger effort in 2015 in response to the Rabid Puppies.

However, their morale suffered a terrible blow when, despite there being nearly four times as many nominations cast in 2016 than in 2012, the Rabid Puppies selected more finalists than the Sad Puppies ever did. While most RP's didn't bother getting MidAmericaCon memberships in order to vote, what's interesting is that over 2,000 SJWs didn't either.

Anyhow, the first stage is now over. The new award has been established and the Hugo rules have been modified and complicated, as anticipated. Now we're onto the second stage, which will last longer and promises to be more interesting than the first. RPs, be sure to keep your voting/nomination emails from Sasquan and MidAmericaCon, as you may need them next year if you are neither Brainstorm nor VFM.

We got here one year faster than I thought, as apparently a) we scared them worse than I'd expected and b) it turns out they care a lot more about me than they do about quality science fiction or science fiction history.

I wasn't surprised that Toni Weisskopf didn't win last year, but I was surprised that they voted her below No Award. This year, it doesn't even surprise me a little bit that they would No Award an objectively high-quality work such as Between Light and Shadow or accomplished, highly respected individuals in the field such as Larry Elmore and Jerry Pournelle, who reportedly had the longest book-signing line at Worldcon.

I wonder how many SJWs who were begging for Dr. Pournelle's signature had previously claimed that he did not merit a Best Editor award with their vote? Do tell us more about how the Hugo Awards concern quality and standing in the field, not SJW-driven politics.

951 No Award
766 Jerry Pournelle

893 No Award
497 Larry Elmore

That says it all about how seriously the awards deserve to be taken by science fiction readers these days. John Scalzi summed up the SF-SJW position rather well in a long diatribe yesterday. It's rather remarkable how he devotes nearly 1,500 1,887 words to informing the world that absolutely none of it is about me, and somehow manages to do so while giving absolutely zero fucks.

  • What [the man whose blog traffic is now 6x that of the erstwhile "most popular blog in science fiction"] is really doing at this point is trying to mitigate his own inability to have the status and influence he assumed would be his, by pathetically attempting to shoehorn himself into the history of others who have done more, and better, than he has.
  • An active association with [the man who exposed Scalzi as a fraud] is, bluntly, death for your Hugo award chances. I mean, it takes a lot for someone as esteemed in the field as Jerry Pournelle to finish below “No Award” in Hugo voting, and yet, there he is, sixth in a field of five in the category of Best Editor, Short Form.

Translation: Vox Day is totally irrelevant and pathetic and doesn't matter at all, so don't you dare to associate with him in any way, shape, or form, or it will kill your career, no one will ever give you a Hugo Award, and everyone will hate you. Please, please, don't do it!

What a masterpiece of its kind. As it is written, SJWs always lie. Just wait until Mr. ZFG learns what names are risking SJW disapproval to actively associate with Castalia House in 2017. But if an author doesn't want to associate with the publishing house that is the fastest-growing in the field and pays such high royalties that the much larger publisher who inquired about acquiring it begged me to consider reducing them, that's certainly their right. We don't publish SJWs anyhow.

I particularly enjoyed McRapey's attempt to cling to the original Narrative he'd tried to spin about the nomination of "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" being a devastating mistake on my part.

Rather than being appalled that Tingle had been nominated, the Worldcon community largely embraced him (or whoever Tingle is; no one is really sure). Here was someone who was nominated by a bigot to antagonize other people, who instead allied himself with those folks and was appreciated by them in return.

1508 No Award
659 "Space Raptor Butt Invasion"

Apparently those folks appreciate Mr. Tingle just about as much as they appreciate me. Did I not tell you that would happen despite the SJW's feigned joy over how terribly funny and brilliant they found Mr. Tingle's work?

Because, as we know, SJW's always lie.


UPDATE: Dr. Pournelle is quite clearly crushed, and duly penitent, in consequence of his well-merited rebuke at the hands of Worldcon's SJWs.

UPDATE: The Reverend 3.0 considers his failed prediction concerning "Space Raptor Butt Invasion" winning Best Short Story:
I was incorrect. And while I'm ready to tuck in and eat my words, it's interesting to look at where my logic broke down.

My logic was the following:
-Puppies will vote for it because they think it is hilarious, embarrasses the Hugos, and Chuck is one of them.
-Puppy Kickers will vote for it because they think it is hilarious, embarrasses the Puppies, and Chuck is one of them.
-If the two largest blocks vote for it, it can't lose.

But lo and behold, one of these two voting blocks failed to vote for SRBI and instead propelled Cat Pictures to victory and Noah Ward to second place. One of these two blocks was either lying to itself or lying through its teeth.

My prediction failed, and it failed because one of these two groups said one thing and then did another. So which group is the group of dirty liars? The Puppies? The Kickers? I'm sure the ballot numbers will tell.

Either way, learn from my mistake. Take that group's tendency to lie into account in the future.
Now, I wonder who might have been lying and putting forth a false Narrative? 

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110 Comments:

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr August 23, 2016 5:15 AM  

This is why the SJWs will fail. Their tantrums fly in the face of observable reality.

Anonymous DK August 23, 2016 5:25 AM  

Scalzi's makes several assertions that he cannot back up, especially the ones about how Vox is manipulating the Hugo ballot for his own business interests and how the Hugo admins should have the right to discard any ballots that show slating.

Yeah, of course, I can't go and ask Scalzi's to back up and defend his assertions, lest I be banned and censored from his blog. At least here I can ask the tough questions.

I think a debate with Vox/Theodore, John C Wright going against John Scalzi and Jim Hines would be interesting. At the very least we'd get to hear Scalzi's and Hines cry and turn tail and run.

Anonymous VFM 8859 August 23, 2016 5:29 AM  

I bought and read SRBI. I haven't laughed so hard or long in decades. Well worth every penny.

Anonymous Spinrad's Agent August 23, 2016 5:36 AM  

The shorter Scalzi: If this SF-SJW thing was working, Vox Day would have been driven off the internet, his books wouldn't be published, and he'd have zero readers.

Dear John, how do you spell impotence?

Blogger Shimshon August 23, 2016 5:48 AM  

Just curious, why would I need to save Sasquan and MidAmericaCon emails? I tossed Sasquan emails, but will now keep MidAmericaCon.

Blogger Shimshon August 23, 2016 5:56 AM  

Did you include Scalzi's first comment? What a joke. It seems like it's practically de rigueur for Scalzi to be FIRST! to comment on his own posts.

Blogger Shimshon August 23, 2016 5:56 AM  

That should be, did you include his first comment in your word count?

Blogger VD August 23, 2016 6:04 AM  

That should be, did you include his first comment in your word count?

No, let me recalculate.

Blogger VD August 23, 2016 6:05 AM  

Just curious, why would I need to save Sasquan and MidAmericaCon emails?

I would think by now that you know better than to expect me to answer questions like these in a place where the SJWs see them.

Blogger JACIII August 23, 2016 6:10 AM  

It is fun watching them cast about for a narrative spell that will stick and banish the SatanIlk from their unicorn universe.

They persist in repeatedly pulling the trigger on an empty chamber expecting it to go bang.

We are here to stay, boys and.... girls(?).

Blogger The Deuce August 23, 2016 6:17 AM  

Scalzi's response sure is illuminating. I see the SJW pretense that the Hugos are really all about rewarding high quality is completely gone. He outright admits that Jerry Pournelle is a giant in the field who merits high award, but that he was No Awarded as a purely political response to VD. Which is incidentally exactly what VD said they were doing.

It's also funny that Scalzi thinks that Jerry had Hugo chances in the first place, that status and influence come from a politicized fringe award shitshow rather than book sales and audience enthusiasm, or that a Hugo result so far out of line with objective reality is an indictment of Jerry Pournelle rather than of WorldCon. But that's all expected from an SJW and par for the course.

Blogger weka August 23, 2016 6:21 AM  

Let's see.
The last good thing Jim Hines wrote was "Oh no John Ringo". And that was about 10 years ago.
The last good thing Scalzi wrote was the first two "Old Man's War" books, which were recycled Haldeman, but with a couple of good ideas.
Somewhither is on the reading list, but the Iron Chamber of Memory was this year from JCW and really, really good. I also read throne of bones this year and was pleasantly surprised, VD can write better than he will say.
To say nothing of the Manatee or the really dank memes coming from the denizens of Toni Weiskopf's dungeon(1). The only leftist people worth reading are the Scottish socialists (Stross is kinda accepted if he keeps his mouth shut on any heresy) but the best of them, Ian Banks, is dead, and Gibson, and Stephensen.
The progressives have killed the field. They nuked it themselves. We just need to make sure we sow not where the plutonium lies.
______
1. Yes, I know VD has managed to get Col. Kratman to write for him, but his Carrera series (basically a manual disguised as a novel) were published by Baen.

Blogger pdwalker August 23, 2016 6:22 AM  

Zero fucks given eh? I think that deserves a sound "wow, just ... wow".

Blogger SteelPalm August 23, 2016 6:25 AM  

Reading Scalzi's entire post is high comedy. Nowadays, I derive amusement from reading the attempts of Social Justice Warriors to delude others and/or themselves, since it's so out of bounds of reality.

For instance, Scalzi singling out the single shittiest Hugo award ever given, to "Cat Pictures, Please", far worse than even "The Lady Astronaut of Mars" and "If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love", as the main story and author to praise!

Or Scalzi calling Vox a "homophobe", since apparently "racist" and "sexist" just wasn't enough virtue-signaling.

I honestly can't recall a single instance where Vox has ever mentioned homosexuals on this blog, positively or negatively!

Anyways, it's a fun read.

Blogger weka August 23, 2016 6:35 AM  

@14. I really would like to see BGKB v. Scalzi. Trouble is that I think BGKB would want to use Thunderdome rules, and wear his mexican wrestling mask.

Anonymous Be Not Afraid August 23, 2016 6:45 AM  

@14
Well, Vox has shown us Scalzi in a dress a few times...

Blogger Leo Little Book in Shenzhen August 23, 2016 6:55 AM  

If Scalzi gives zero fucks, who's his daughter's daddy?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2016 7:12 AM  

So the winners were largely of a popularity contest amongst the spiteful SJW, got it.

So where is their large advance from Tor?

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 23, 2016 7:18 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:So the winners were largely of a popularity contest amongst the spiteful SJW, got it.

So where is their large advance from Tor?


If they are going to be removing slates and business interest votes then TOR is going to have some problems. This is probably why NPH is pushing back against that idea.

Are we to believe that Scalzi's cat lady friend just happened to get the award on her own talent and had nothing to do with the fact that he likes her and pushed her in his (TOR's) circles?

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 7:26 AM  

"I mean, it takes a lot for someone as esteemed in the field as Jerry Pournelle to finish below “No Award” in Hugo voting, and yet, there he is, sixth in a field of five in the category of Best Editor, Short Form."

See that statement sounds so convincing! Like... its only the association with you that keeps Pournelle from being a favorite to win.

Oh wait...

How many Hugo's as Jerry Pournelle won again?

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2016 7:29 AM  

Attention John Scalzi

Pretending someone is too irrelevant to bother with will work but only...and this is the vitally important part...if you don't bother with them.

Going on...and on...and on about how miniscule and unworthy they are of the attention of someone as vastly more important as yourself undercuts your argument.

This is exceptionally true if you declaim their unimportance for fucking years.

Really John, this is in fact, a thing.

It doesn't matter how ferociously you refuse to write the guys name.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2016 7:32 AM  

Honestly I think they wanted to No Award Dr. Pournelle.

In doing so they are finally getting around to unpersoning Robert Heinlein. Something they have never quite dared to do. Even his ghost is too frightening for them to do that.

Blogger Nate August 23, 2016 7:38 AM  

"Even his ghost is too frightening for them to do that."

not as much as it used to seem. scalzi nips at his ankles.. and the Half-Savage is widely known for throwing poo at him.

Blogger Shimshon August 23, 2016 7:39 AM  

Re Pournelle's comments, I noticed that his kids are Indians (feather, not dot). I'm surprised SJWs haven't yet accused Vox of nepotism in nominating him for Best Editor.

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2016 7:39 AM  

I'm a huge fan of cats and pictures of cats, so I read CAT PICTURES, PLEASE by NAOMI KRITZER

And mee-wow! It was bad. Maybe not as bad as THE DAY THE WORLD TURNED UPSIDE DOWN, because it was at least comprehensible. But equally as bad as IF YOU WERE A DINOSAUR, MY LOVE.

Meet science fiction's least convincing AI, who is a TOTES ADORBS! Mary Sue character obsessed with faggy social justice talking points.

Now, the history of skiffy AI's is a long and frequently dodgy one, including the rapey robot in DEMON SEED and the chrome chap who really likes freezing people in LOGAN'S RUN. But at least most writers try to convey a sense of otherness about artificial intelligence. Y'know - put some speculation in their fiction?

It's fine if you anthropomorphise AI's. Data from TNG and Mike from THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS were interesting because they sought to be more than the sum of their positronic parts. It makes sense that a lifeform created by humans would be in the likeness of its creators in some ways.

But there's none of that in CAT PICTURES. Just an AI - who sounds exactly like an unattractive Tumblrina nerdette who may or may not be called "Naomi" - encouraging a cardboard cutout stock Christian hypocrite character to indulge in homosex.

And that's the story.

Ernest Hemingway, in a possibly drunken and definitely cisheterobigoted flash of inspiration, wrote a six word story that contains more emotion and humanity and writerly craft than anything Miss Kritzer has ever done or ever will do.

I rate CAT PICTURES, PLEASE one kitty poop out of ten.

Blogger residentMoron August 23, 2016 7:42 AM  

@21

Cataline

Perhaps John is trying to stab Vox to death multiple times?

He Who Will Not Die.

Or some such.

Blogger SteelPalm August 23, 2016 7:47 AM  

@25

You are far more generous than I am. I rank "Cat Pictures, Please" well below "If You were a Dinosaur, My Love". While both are gutter trash in terms of entertainment value and ideas, at least the latter is competently written, on a technical value.

By contrast, "Cat Pictures Please" feels like it was a 12 year-old's first attempt at fan fiction, with bad syntax, multiple grammar mistakes, and the same groan-worthy jokes.

The only positive about "Cat Pictures, Please" is that none of the words were misspelled.

Anonymous Undocumented Civilizationalist August 23, 2016 7:48 AM  

May I express my sincere appreciation that you DO NOT publish SJW drivel!

I homeschool. When I put together my teenage boys reading lists each year, I often like to include "fun" books to read alongside their Dostoevsky and Shakespeare. When I saw "Mutiny in Space" by Rod Walker, it was so nice to know I could click, buy, and download without thinking I would need to read through it first to make sure it wasn't some anti-Christian, gay, feminist, anti-white, anti-patriarchy SJW message fiction screed.

I realized the other day that the only Sci-fi or fantasy that I have bought in the last 2 years has been Castalia published, with one exception, and that being Jim Butcher's "Aeronaut's Windlass."

Blogger VD August 23, 2016 7:59 AM  

I realized the other day that the only Sci-fi or fantasy that I have bought in the last 2 years has been Castalia published, with one exception, and that being Jim Butcher's "Aeronaut's Windlass."

And that is why the SJWs are terrified of Castalia. One or two people doing this, so what. But once our mailing list hits 10,000, it's all but game over for them. Because, contra their brave statements, it is not a zero-sum game, it is a NEGATIVE-SUM game.

Every Castalia book a reader buys is close to 2 mainstream books not bought.

Anonymous JAG August 23, 2016 7:59 AM  

Spinrad's Agent wrote:The shorter Scalzi: If this SF-SJW thing was working, Vox Day would have been driven off the internet, his books wouldn't be published, and he'd have zero readers.

Dear John, how do you spell impotence?


I swear it's Moby Dick metaphorically playing itself out in real life. I truly am entertained by it.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2016 8:07 AM  

I want musims in space, where the f**k are the muslims in the future?

I never read SJW crap but it seems the future is filled with diabetic sugar butts who dream of butt sex with Christians or something.

Blogger Nick S August 23, 2016 8:10 AM  

"Money will get you through times of no Hugos better than Hugos will get you through times of no money." ~ Jerry Pournelle

Classic!

Anonymous Conservative Buddhist August 23, 2016 8:12 AM  

I think future WorldCons will be very exciting as passionate new SF readers come into the fold. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3753239/Smack-Group-women-slap-inside-Walmart-end-ripping-s-clothes.html

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 8:12 AM  

pays such high royalties that the much larger publisher who inquired about acquiring it begged me to consider reducing them

They consider authors their slaves, and you don't want slaves to get uppity.

Anonymous Instasetting August 23, 2016 8:15 AM  

Reading Pournelle's entertaining con memoir,is a good demo of ZFG.

A year or two ago, I'd make regular visits to Books A Million to at least browse, before that, sometimes we'd drop forty bucks, now, I can browse on Amazon, and buy on KU, and just the thought of going to BAM is wearying.

Blogger Jack Ward August 23, 2016 8:15 AM  

One can dream of a Vox inspired award to counter the Hugos, although, the Dragon upcoming may be the thing.
I wonder; will the Ilk be treated to another webinar party for the Dragons? Maybe Dr. P could attend [and Nick Cole and JCW]

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 23, 2016 8:17 AM  

Yes #33 Worldcon needs to go exponential on their "diversity" outreach, doubling down will not cut it these days.

I propose free entry for People of Color and the gender fluid, and maybe throw in some free food and other free goodies.

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 8:19 AM  

Nor does the Finnish government appreciate blatant, direct attempts at price-fixing. We have a bureau (kilpailu- ja kuluttajavirasto) specifically to investigate that.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 23, 2016 8:22 AM  

JAG wrote:I swear it's Moby Dick metaphorically playing itself out in real life. I truly am entertained by it.

There's some ineffable thing more to the Castalia House value add, something the bean counters would probably try to fold into business goodwill.

VD wrote:it is not a zero-sum game, it is a NEGATIVE-SUM game.

Every Castalia book a reader buys is close to 2 mainstream books not bought.


Or maybe three. One for the zero sum, one for the declining market, and one for that entertaining something.

Steve, can you please contact your anti-Steve in the anti-Universe and have him search the anti-internet for an anti-image of McRapey? There might an anti-picture somewhere over there, one showing Scalzi comporting himself with dignity, like a man.

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 8:27 AM  

Had this been a Finnish company, I would already have forwarded them to the bureau. They ask that companies report even attempts that cannot be conclusively proven, and that will not go anywhere as such, because it allows them to form a picture of what companies' modus operandi this seems to be. So that when they DO get an unambiguous case on their hands, they know that it's not an isolated incident.

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2016 8:29 AM  

We have a bureau (kilpailu- ja kuluttajavirasto)

Easy for you to say.

A fair jaw-cracker dwarf-language must be!

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2016 8:33 AM  

SteelPalm - I rank "Cat Pictures, Please" well below "If You were a Dinosaur, My Love".

I think DINOSAUR was definitely lulzier, because dinosaurs, and also Rachel Swirsky looks like a brontosaurus.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 23, 2016 8:42 AM  

SteelPalm wrote:"Cat Pictures Please" feels like it was a 12 year-old's first attempt at fan fiction, with bad syntax, multiple grammar mistakes, and the same groan-worthy jokes.

Can you please post a couple example quotes? Something we can compare to McRapey's evaluation?
"[Cat picture cat lady is] a consistently wonderful writer... the story of Naomi Kritzer — her talent, her ability, her recognition for her work — rely on Beale in any way. If he didn’t exist, she’d have been on the ballot anyway." -Scalzi

The picture needs a caption. Maybe McRapey transitions his cut off Hugo to Cat Lady.

Anonymous Steve August 23, 2016 8:53 AM  

McRapey transitions his cut off Hugo to Cat Lady.

Uh, feast your eyes?

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 23, 2016 8:53 AM  

Steve wrote:I think DINOSAUR was definitely lulzier, because dinosaurs, and also Rachel Swirsky looks like a brontosaurus.

At least Cat Lady looks like a right proper cat lady.

Anonymous BGKB August 23, 2016 9:24 AM  

I really would like to see BGKB v. Scalzi...Thunderdome rules, and wear his mexican wrestling mask.

I have practiced getting out of zip ties maybe we could trick him into a bout were my hands are zip tied behind my back.

I want musims in space, where the f**k are the muslims in the future?

Moslems are the zerg. You will have to read the Halo novels.

Blogger SteelPalm August 23, 2016 9:27 AM  

@43

The story is free online at Clarkesworld magazine, but even the first paragraph contains examples of all three flaws I mentioned. For instance, consider

"I’m not sure what it would do to my self-image to know that my sole creator was a middle-aged woman who dyes her hair blue and plays tennis, or a recent college graduate with a hentai obsession. They’re both on the programming team. And of course I know about the hentai. (By the way, I’ve looked at every sort of porn there is, and just so you know, Rule 34 is not actually correct; there are quite a few things no one’s made porn of yet. Also, I’m really not sure why so many humans prefer it to cat pictures.)"

-"is not actually correct" should be "is incorrect". No reason for the longer, qualified version.

-Similarly, "I'm really not sure" is better as "I'm unsure".

-I don't have a problem with sentence fragments if they serve a purpose, but "And of course" flows horribly in addition to being dreadful grammar.

Even "And yes," would be an improvement there.

-Terrible jokes about Internet porn most thirteen year-olds would roll their eyes and shake their heads at.

Say what you will about Scalzi, but he can write at a much more competent, professional level than this, so he is perfectly aware of the flaws in the work he is praising.

Anonymous jeangray07 August 23, 2016 9:28 AM  

Dr. Pournelle's recollection of Worldcon in 1976 is more impressive than Scalzi's entire career.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 23, 2016 9:39 AM  

Had breakfast with Tom Doherty, who recalled 1976 vividly: he had just bought Ace Books, and when he came into the Mulebach Hotel where the convention was, the first person he saw was me, proclaiming “I’m the Chairman of the Grievance Committee, and I’m auditing your company’s books.” They certainly needed auditing. The previous owner had engaged in some odd practices that resulted in quite a bit of money being owed to the authors, and while I was President of Science Fiction Writers of America I had invented the Grievance Committee

Doctor Pournelle is being excessively polite for some reason. According to Larry Niven, everyone knew enough not to sell to ACE unless it was your last resort. Your advance was it, they never paid residuals.

Tom Doherty made good on those outstanding debts.

Does anybody think that Patrick Neilson-Hayden would even get close to doing something like that?

And what did Scalzi do when he was president of SFWA?

Oh yes. He wrecked it.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 23, 2016 9:44 AM  

SteelPalm wrote:The story is free online at Clarkesworld magazine, but even the first paragraph contains examples of all three flaws I mentioned. For instance, consider

It ain't 'free', it's at least a negative $5. Thank you for your unpaid sacrifice. The excerpt isn't even up to the standards of a decent blog comment.

SteelPalm wrote:Say what you will about Scalzi, but he can write at a much more competent, professional level than this, so he is perfectly aware of the flaws in the work he is praising.

Translation: Scalzi is a fucking liar.

Blogger Alexander August 23, 2016 9:45 AM  

The only non-castalia SF I've read in the past year is Chris Hanger and Jim Butcher. I do not feel any poorer for this arrangement.

Blogger Alexander August 23, 2016 9:50 AM  

@40

I called it! Back in April last year:

[Anti-puppies] have already gotten Breitbart, Instapundit, Twitchy, Ace, and Gamergate involved. At this rate, Finland will have declared war on SJWs by Friday.

Okay, so I got the date wrong. But our host often gets the event right but the timing wrong, so I'm calling it a win. SJW publishing vs. Finland. /popcorn

Blogger Caedryn Stonelaw August 23, 2016 9:57 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:I want musims in space, where the f**k are the muslims in the future?

I never read SJW crap but it seems the future is filled with diabetic sugar butts who dream of butt sex with Christians or something.


You know, The only books I remember reading with space muslims are the Dune series and the Carrera novels. Neither of them really gave a great impression, either, so they were pretty accurate, overall.

Blogger bob k. mando August 23, 2016 10:00 AM  

20. Nate August 23, 2016 7:26 AM
How many Hugo's as Jerry Pournelle won again?



none?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Pournelle#Awards

is that a trick question or did some SJW already do the Stalin-est non-personing thing?

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 23, 2016 10:24 AM  

Somewhere I missed that I needed to purchase a membership to MACon2...I thought my other membership included voting rights along with nomination rights. Won't make that mistake again.

And Vox, any chance there are financial shenanigans going on at these Cons? If they lie about other people words or about what the results mean, what else are lying about?

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 23, 2016 10:26 AM  

"An active association with [the man who exposed Scalzi as a fraud] is, bluntly, death for your Hugo award chances."

To point out the obvious but, is this the reason this why this whole kerfuffle start, to prove that the Hugo award has been ignoring good writing in preference for good-think authors and associations?

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 23, 2016 10:30 AM  

Unrelated ...
Wally Self Identifies As A Woman
http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-08-23

Blogger JaimeInTexas August 23, 2016 10:34 AM  

@30. JAG August 23, 2016 7:59 AM

"I swear it's Moby Dick metaphorically playing itself out in real life. I truly am entertained by it."

Very interesting observation. Let's see whose obsession wins, Captain Ahab's or the whale's?

Anonymous FitzRobert August 23, 2016 10:40 AM  

No-Awarding Larry Elmore? Classy. Pournelle is outspoken and I can see from their perspective how they could vote against him. Elmore? Never heard of him uttering a political word. He and Frazetta pretty much created fantasy art, with honorable mention to Erol Otus. Nice job putting politics ahead of any kind of principle or recognition of merit. Enjoy your well-deserved obscurity.

Blogger Alexander August 23, 2016 10:52 AM  

@59 The no-awarded Jim Butcher last year, who is nothing but a class act and apolitical.

Blogger The Other Robot August 23, 2016 10:54 AM  

It is disappointing that so many people seemed to only have one year of staying power.

I am in for next year!

Blogger Patriotic Canadian August 23, 2016 10:56 AM  

He's talked about milo a few times

Anonymous Hapax Legomenon August 23, 2016 11:07 AM  

Getting very confusing here.

'Did stuff on the slates win? Yup: The stuff that could have won anyway, and the stuff that had merit despite Beale’s cynical attempt to make other people run away from it. Nothing that won, won because it was on his slate. At best (for Beale) it won despite being on his slate, an assertion we can infer from the performance of everything on the slate that fit into category c); again, nearly every crony nomination finished below “No Award” in the voting. An active association with Beale is, bluntly, death for your Hugo award chances. I mean, it takes a lot for someone as esteemed in the field as Jerry Pournelle to finish below “No Award” in Hugo voting, and yet, there he is, sixth in a field of five in the category of Best Editor, Short Form.'

'The Beale brand, earned through time and repetition, is “graspingly untalented bigot.” And of course Beale knows this, the poor bastard, which is why he tried to drag down actually talented people and their good work by attempting to associate his brand with them. That didn’t work (because again people aren’t stupid), but if you actually intentionally attach yourself to the Beale brand? Then, yes, “associates with a graspingly untalented bigot” is now part of your brand, too.'

I don't even know what the hell is supposed to be going on with all this by now. I need a flowchart to figure it out. Is he arguing that voters are making a distinction between authors inadvertently slated, and those who deliberately "associate" with the designated pariah? Do all Hugo voters really research this distinction in every case? Is it even a fair distinction?

Blogger VD August 23, 2016 11:20 AM  

Do all Hugo voters really research this distinction in every case? Is it even a fair distinction?

Considering how I've never had anything whatsoever to do with Larry Elmore, either the Hugo-voting community really hates his guts or the distinction is unfair.

What he really means is that if I put an SJW on the list, the SJWs will still vote for it. But they'll No Award all non-SJWs.

OpenID basementhomebrewer August 23, 2016 11:31 AM  

Steve wrote:
encouraging a cardboard cutout stock Christian hypocrite character to indulge in homosex.


It is also amusing that they still think this is somehow edgy. If they want to be edgy flip the christian to a muslim.

If you really want to get edgy flip the christian to a homosexual atheist and have the computer convince them to convert to Christianity.

Blogger VFM #7634 August 23, 2016 11:40 AM  

I want musims in space, where the f**k are the muslims in the future?

I never read SJW crap but it seems the future is filled with diabetic sugar butts who dream of butt sex with Christians or something.


@31 Mr.MantraMan
Ha ha.

Try "The Outcast" by Christopher G. Nuttall. It's not as PC as some would like, even if the main character is a Muslim woman.

Anonymous Be Not Afraid August 23, 2016 11:44 AM  

*I* voted for SRBI. And have to say, to see such rampant homophobia and raptophobia among a group that is apparently okay with pedophilia... Well, I didn't expect that. It's like they're in denial.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros August 23, 2016 11:46 AM  

Annnnnnd Dr. Chuck Tingle has already been pounded in the butt by his Hugo Award loss.

I don't know how the guy does it. And I really, really don't know why.

Blogger CM August 23, 2016 11:54 AM  

Cat Pictures

To many white, female spinsters voting and not enough gay men with sci-fi fetishes.

Anonymous Big Yard, Too Shrimpy To Mow August 23, 2016 11:55 AM  

Wow, that was an impressive demonstration of not caring. I never realized how "under his skin" you are to him. It probably stems from the gnawing realization that he will have to rip off your works in the future to keep up his home payments.

Blogger J Van Stry August 23, 2016 12:22 PM  

I liked how they all had to embrace SRBI because they were totally afraid it might win. They didn't know if they could round up enough NOAH votes to keep it out. So they praised and praised and praised it, until they knew they could beat it, then they shut up about it rather suddenly.

The day the shut up is the day they knew they had it beat.

Anonymous GreyS August 23, 2016 12:53 PM  

We got here one year faster than I thought...

(chuckle) This is like a driver behind a frustratingly slow car on the highway. He attempts to pass, but the slow guy won't let him and speeds up. The second car follows, then attempts to pass again. The slow guy drives even faster merely to have the satisfaction that the car behind won't be able to pass. This happens a couple more times and as they reach the end of the highway the driver in front is celebrating that he never let the car behind pass. What he never realizes is that the goal of the driver in the car behind is not to pass but to simply drive faster on the highway.

The goal was accomplished either way.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 23, 2016 1:25 PM  

Conservative Buddhist wrote:I think future WorldCons will be very exciting as passionate new SF readers come into the fold. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3753239/Smack-Group-women-slap-inside-Walmart-end-ripping-s-clothes.html
Women fighting over clothes in a Walmart.
Let me guess their ethnicity in 1...2...3...

Anonymous wheels August 23, 2016 1:52 PM  

@17: If Scalzi gives zero fucks, who's his daughter's daddy?

Someone strong?

Anonymous BoysMom August 23, 2016 2:21 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:I want musims in space, where the f**k are the muslims in the future?

Well, it's real simple: there were Muslims in space, but they said "Insha'allah there will be oxygen" and didn't check their tanks, and everyone else respected their religion.

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2016 2:41 PM  

Pournelle writes about his previous SFWA work in getting authors paid:

Tom wanted to beat me to it and pay before I could find any, while I wanted to find it first. I don’t recall who won, but it cleared up all the suspicions of the writers against ACE, and also helped SFWA’s reputation as good for authors.


And this modern SFWA celebrates his getting No Awarded? How spiteful and thankless these creatures are.

They deserve unrelenting and implacable persecution. No Safe Space.

Anonymous Jill August 23, 2016 3:13 PM  

Cat Pictures Please made me a little sad. I love short stories, but if that's the best sci fi has to offer, it's in a worse state than I thought. The Renaissance of short fiction? Isn't that what the panel was about that Dave Truesdale got kicked off of? Renaissance, LMAO.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 23, 2016 5:30 PM  

Jill, compare Cat Pictures, Please with The Cold Equations from the 1950's. Which can be said to be part of a short story Renaissance?

Blogger Anonymous-9 August 23, 2016 8:01 PM  

Vox,
If Castalia House pays higher than market royalties, you should be blasting the news from the rooftops. A publisher with 500+ titles (that I just brokered a deal for) posts their royalty split right on their site. Money news spreads quickly among writers, and especially among writers who make good royalties and can pick and choose publishers. Castalia can attract even more talent if you let your terms be known.

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 8:18 PM  

We have already attracted too much talent. I dread to think of all the work I have to do well into the next year with all the manuscripts already in the pipeline. We'll almost certainly do that, once we are able to accept more books that are already being pushed on us. It will get better though, probably in half a year or so. So far we have basically been building and refining our production pipeline (which is quite a bit different than traditional publishers'. Immensely faster, but also needs some geek madskills to operate). Next step is to get it fully documented. And then, to get some more employees and contractors.

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 8:41 PM  

Those who have used LaTeX in any serious capacity*, like done their Master's Thesis with it or any commercial work, and who also have a basic understanding of programming**, are in an excellent position for finding work with us soon.

*You need to have made a large document with it, in order to have stumbled on the kinds of voodoo you need to pull when things go wrong
**The work doesn't require programming per se, but it requires understanding why the different components do what they do

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 8:45 PM  

With a small team of people who know what they're doing, we could churn out books at a ridiculous speed while having exactly the same level of typographic quality as the Big Five. We just need to get to a point where we don't have to develop our system at the same time as producing books with it. That's the bottleneck right now.

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2016 8:51 PM  

Markku wrote:We just need to get to a point where we don't have to develop our system at the same time as producing books with it. That's the bottleneck right now.

Open source tool, or own in-house closed source system?

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 8:55 PM  

In-house system that creates a pipeline from different kinds of opensource tools. Made by Matthew. I'm under the impression that he is planning to opensource at least parts of it eventually.

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 9:04 PM  

It takes in either a MarkDown file, or LibreOffice file that has been made with certain restrictions, whichever option the author prefers. The input file is easy enough to create that writers who aren't nerds are able to produce at least the LibreOffice option it without help. MarkDown gives them more control, if they know it.

Then, it goes through a pipeline that results in an .epub file to put on Amazon Kindle, and a .pdf that goes to print.

We are in process of reducing the amount of babysitting that it requires along the way, like automatically detecting and correcting typical mistakes that authors make. For example, putting an apostrophe the wrong way when it occurs at the beginning of the word, like 'em. (it should point left, not right)

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 9:18 PM  

I'm hoping that traditional publishers will lose their shit a second time when they understand that it's impossible for them to compete on author royalty percentages because we have such a small overhead. We need a fraction of the man hours they do per book. In addition to the fact that we are grabbing everybody who's tired of dealing with SJW gatekeepers.

Blogger SirHamster August 23, 2016 9:46 PM  

Markku wrote:I'm hoping that traditional publishers will lose their shit a second time when they understand that it's impossible for them to compete on author royalty percentages because we have such a small overhead.

Thanks for the inside tech overview.

I'm guessing the trad publishers don't invest much in automated/AI editing.

Are you using the typo reports to decide what a "typical" mistake is?

Blogger Anonymous-9 August 23, 2016 9:59 PM  

Hi Markku,
The great thing about being swamped with submissions is that you'll end up with a pool of higher quality material at the end. Publishing is a numbers game like any business dependent upon raw material that needs to be graded. Feeling swamped may mean the submissions process needs to be tightened up on the front end. I won't go into details here, but quality controls can be put in place based on preliminary submission emails, and they're a pretty good indicator of quality.

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 9:59 PM  

I mainly make the typo reports. When Matthew gets tired of fixing the same mistake the fifth time, lo and behold, a miracle happens and it becomes automated.

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 10:02 PM  

At this time the problem is not the unsolicited submissions. My impression is that we accept about 5% of them at the moment. Could be less, definitely not more. Rather, our schedule is full of existing, established authors with new books.

On an unrelated note, damn, John C. Wright can produce text...

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 10:21 PM  

With automation the problem is that even if 98% of the time the automatic system produces the perfect result in a few seconds, the kind of person who normally does books with InDesign in TradPub, would spend more time fixing that 2% (if they ever got them fixed) than just making it all manually with InDesign. You need a proper geek to know what to do when the problem pages turn up.

Blogger Markku August 23, 2016 10:28 PM  

Schools produce the InDesign users, and Publishing consumes them. They've already been trained to do that one thing by someone else, so that's what they'll do once hired. There is no pathway for a big publisher from that to any other system. They'd have to do a complete overhaul to their workforce.

Not so with us, because we STARTED with LaTeX users.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 23, 2016 11:04 PM  

SirHamster wrote:I'm guessing the trad publishers don't invest much in automated/AI editing.
Hello Mr. Publisher! You're one of a couple of hundred people in the world that does what you do! Would you like to invest in an automated system that does 98% of the work for you? And it will reduce the prestige and power of your job, if you're one of the lucky 2 or 3 that get to keep your job, reduce the gross income stream for your company, and I can't guarantee it will even work!

Blogger Were-Puppy August 23, 2016 11:36 PM  

If you were a cat lady, my dinosaur

Dinosaur pics, please

I'm trying to come up with a ground breaking melding of two proven Hugo award winners here.

If you were a Dinosaur, my cat picture

Blogger Were-Puppy August 23, 2016 11:41 PM  

@56 JaimeInTexas

To point out the obvious but, is this the reason this why this whole kerfuffle start, to prove that the Hugo award has been ignoring good writing in preference for good-think authors and associations?
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Exactly

Blogger Were-Puppy August 23, 2016 11:42 PM  

@59 FitzRobert
No-Awarding Larry Elmore? Classy.
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Yes, this is completely unforgivable.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 23, 2016 11:44 PM  

@60 Alexander
@59 The no-awarded Jim Butcher last year, who is nothing but a class act and apolitical.
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That was also unforgivable. Since then I have gone through almost the entire Dresden Files - and I have enjoyed them.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 24, 2016 1:04 AM  

Were-Puppy wrote:If you were a cat lady, my dinosaur

Dinosaur pics, please

I'm trying to come up with a ground breaking melding of two proven Hugo award winners here.

If you were a Dinosaur, my cat picture



If you were a hugoless cat xir, my dinosaur coprolite

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx August 24, 2016 1:23 AM  

But lo and behold, one of these two voting blocks failed to vote for SRBI and instead propelled Cat Pictures to victory

Wait a minute. I'll see your Space Raptor Butt Invasion and raise you one Cat Pictures, Please.

Has this been pointed out already? Can our enemies make themselves anymore ridiculous?

Erratum-

Steve wrote:McRapey transitions his cut off Hugo to Cat Lady.

Uh, feast your eyes?


alternate caption- McRapey transitions xis emasculated Hugo to Cat Xer

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare August 24, 2016 1:45 AM  

My guess would be "to prove that you aren't an entryist or saboteur", but that's sheer speculation on my part. I'm pretty sure these idiotic new "anti-slate" rules will make controlling the awards easier, but simultaneously will require a significantly greater degree of coordination and more detailed instructions in order for a (hypothetical) slate to effectively take advantage of the elements of the new rules that make such control easier to achieve. Does that make sense, or am I spouting incomprehensible gibberish?

Anonymous SciVo August 24, 2016 5:44 AM  

I hear what you're saying, @100 Bibliotheca. They will react by making it more rigid, which is both harder to deform and easier to wield.

Anonymous SciVo August 24, 2016 6:11 AM  

Alexander wrote:@59 The no-awarded Jim Butcher last year, who is nothing but a class act and apolitical.

I saw red. From that point I have desired their pain. Mere victory is not enough; I hate them. I want to hurt their feelings and make them cry.

Anonymous SciVo August 24, 2016 6:24 AM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:To point out the obvious but, is this the reason this why this whole kerfuffle start, to prove that the Hugo award has been ignoring good writing in preference for good-think authors and associations?

Yes, that's why Larry Correia started it: because boring message fiction is the leading cause of puppy-related sadness. And he witnessed how the awards were controlled, yet it was denied.

Blogger pdwalker August 24, 2016 6:44 AM  

Markku wrote:Those who have used LaTeX in any serious capacity*, like done their Master's Thesis with it or any commercial work, and who also have a basic understanding of programming**, are in an excellent position for finding work with us soon

Markku,

If you need someone with technical expertise for layout, production, automation, my offer remains open.

Blogger Matthew August 24, 2016 7:54 AM  

pdwalker, email matthew@castaliahouse.com

Blogger Matthew August 24, 2016 7:59 AM  

Markku wrote:In-house system that creates a pipeline from different kinds of opensource tools. Made by Matthew. I'm under the impression that he is planning to opensource at least parts of it eventually.

I am, but only after a major overhaul. I keep finding small, but critical problems in the various tools (htmtidy, pandoc) that I use in the pipeline.

The Python package plasTeX looks like it has everything I need to be able to use LaTeX as a master book format, but it will take a good amount of effort to switch to using it.

Blogger Dave August 24, 2016 4:02 PM  

On an unrelated note, damn, John C. Wright can produce text...

Hallelujah...and it appears you have more authors with the same quality coming onboard.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 24, 2016 9:41 PM  

Undocumented Civilizationalist wrote:When I put together my teenage boys reading lists each year, I often like to include "fun" books to read alongside their Dostoevsky and Shakespeare. When I saw "Mutiny in Space" by Rod Walker, it was so nice to know I could click, buy, and download without thinking I would need to read through it first to make sure it wasn't some anti-Christian, gay, feminist, anti-white, anti-patriarchy SJW message fiction screed.
One more reason for me to try to finish my analytic geometry so I can get back to writing narrative, so that hopefully someday your sons can find it worth reading.

Yes, the math is THAT important to the story.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 24, 2016 9:45 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:I want musims in space, where the f**k are the muslims in the future?
They're with the Clovis culture and the worshippers of Zeus.  The old joke:  "Why are there no arabs on Star Trek?  Because it's the future!"

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 25, 2016 6:07 PM  

Bibliotheca Servare wrote:I'm pretty sure these idiotic new "anti-slate" rules will make controlling the awards easier
I ducked out of the business meeting after EPH passed but before e.g. the amendment that would allow the WSFS to put its own nominees on the final ballot.  I can't find the outcome of the vote on that, does anyone know if they passed too?

It's really easy to defeat anti-slate measures.  Either take your VFM number or a random number, generate the list of combinatorial combinations of M out of N selections (with order significant), divide your VFM number by the number of options, take the remainder and use that entry from the combinatorial list.  It would be effectively impossible to distinguish "slate" entries except based on what they don't include.... and you could throw in random other entries if you had enough VFMs to make certain the good stuff would make the ballot.

If you have 6 nominees to get into the finals you have 24 different ways to order any given selection of 4 out of 6 to make 360 possible nominating ballots.  To kill a "slate" you'd have to throw out any ballot matching any of the possibilities.

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