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Friday, September 09, 2016

An Alt-Right Reagan?

If Ronald Reagan were alive today, I wonder if he would still be a conservative.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

Ronald Reagan
address to the annual meeting of the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce
Mar. 30, 1967
We're already at that point. At this point, our children already don't know what it is like to live in a white country, and our grandchildren are likely to learn what it is like to have to fight a civil war.

That being said, Ronald Reagan is one of the individuals responsible for the USA's current predicament due to a) signing the California no-fault divorce law and b) the 1986 Immigration Amnesty. As conservatives are wont to do, he stood up to the external enemy and surrendered to the internal enemy. As internal enemies are always more dangerous, he failed to fight when it counted most.

So, yes, upon further reflection, he probably would still be a conservative, attacking the Alt-Right for seeking to do what he wouldn't.

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Blogger Elder Son September 09, 2016 3:52 AM  

Let's not also forget Ronald Reagan and his Ollie "Suspend the Constitution & Continuity of Government" North. And here we are, in the National Security State. Its sole purpose, the continuity of global government. You can die for all they care, because you are expendable.

Blogger Retrenched September 09, 2016 3:59 AM  

Conservatives defeated the Marxists, then were beaten in turn by the Cultural Marxists. Their fear of the word "racist" made them utterly incapable of conserving anything in the end.

Blogger N Matheson September 09, 2016 4:25 AM  

"grandchildren" OhI think it's much closer than that!

Anonymous Icicle September 09, 2016 4:28 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAES1HUIVkE

Reagan smashing into Trump's new wall.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 09, 2016 4:37 AM  

I agree with our host re: Reagan

Ronald Reagan was a Conservative in the modern context he would have opposed us at every turn. This is a guy who signed legislation for gun control Federal and State , more immigration , easy divorce and aided the growth of the national security state tremendously


Retrenched, you can't conserve a nonsensical idea. .

The first original idea, a Republic of limited government powers with the Whiskey Rebellion or thereabouts.

If it lingered certainly such things as slavery immigration by masses of people, most White BtW who neither understood nor wanted a small state finished it off.

if somehow that had survived, automation and the industrial era would have finished it in any case.

What the .alt right is going to have to do is not "renew the Republic" but replace it with something that works in the 21st century and beyond

Simply, the Founders Republic can't function in a world with cheap genetic home engineering, massive unemployment do to automation , robots and the Internet

Saving the West means making human systems work in our milieu and the likely ones we might face, keeping the West Fertile and White and resistant to subversion

The hope that somehow it will all come down so we can go back to older well understood ways is just that hope.

We can also hope for a Christian revival in the West but that too may never happen. The west could be post Christian and as such all the things we were hoping for might be gone along with the social capital

Its very possible we simply slump to Cyberpunk Brazil but that is avoidable. To do that we means become the State and use it to our ends instead of letting them do it. What we keep, what we dispose of and all that are undecided but so long as we stick to the 16 points or something much like them and build institutions that support them we'll be fine.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 09, 2016 5:24 AM  

Conservatives didn't defeat the USSR; they just lost a generation or two slower.

The Boomer retirement plan should be impalement on nigger cock in the prison industrial complex they built.

I hope they smile beautifically like alzheimy Reaganagain while they perform this compassionate service for the evolutionarily disadvantaged. Turn the other cheek, bummers. Tear down that wall between bunkmate and lover, paleskin and other, senior and brotha. We divorce you.

Just kidding. The nursing homes are worse.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 09, 2016 5:32 AM  

Reagan seems to have started the neocon scam of hiding liberal policies behind the facade of an avuncular guy with solid God and country rhetoric. Although in his defense, the liberal policies seem to be more something he simply didn't fight strongly against as opposed to fervently believing in them like today's GOPe. And it was the Cold War so arguably not a time suited for a conservative foreign policy.

Blogger VD September 09, 2016 5:34 AM  

I have to admit, the notion of white Baby Boomers dying in nursing homes surrounded by Hispanics and Africans doing a less-than-half-assed job of caring for them does strike me as a just and fitting end for all too many of them.

You changed the world all right. Or at least your country.

Blogger Phillip George September 09, 2016 5:53 AM  

Oikophobics are doing the Stockholm Battered Wife Syndrome combo still busily sewing figs leaves of inclusion to virtual signal a covering for their butt naked asses.

Xenophobia is highly rational and justified..... unquote

Allahu Akbar is a traditional Arabic phrase meaning “I have a mental illness and I am acting alone and anything I do is not connected in any way with Islam. Oh my, I appear to have removed this here infidel’s head.”

separation of church and state is killing you. If you can't make a statistical correlation between Islamic boots on the ground and the spread of war, slavery and poverty, you aren't asking the right questions. Reagan left the same things unsaid that Washington left unsaid. Trump has said something this time.

Blogger Phillip George September 09, 2016 6:00 AM  

https://youtu.be/Qeyx9PuPoGQ

The united States of America through ex Jewish eyes. Says it all in 4 minutes.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2016 6:05 AM  

In defense of Reagan, the SJWs still spit when they hear his name.

In truth my biggest problem with Reagan isn't the compromises he made to get things done. He was always a negotiator that would give big to get what he wanted but he would get what he wanted.

No, my biggest problem with Reagan is that he didn't guard his own legacy. He knew what George Bush was and for whatever reason he backed him anyway.

There were better men available and he knew it.

Blogger exfarmkid September 09, 2016 6:13 AM  

Vox: "So, yes, upon further reflection, he probably would still be a conservative, attacking the Alt-Right for seeking to do what he wouldn't."

No - he was too pragmatic for that.

Blogger exfarmkid September 09, 2016 6:15 AM  

"No, my biggest problem with Reagan is that he didn't guard his own legacy. He knew what George Bush was and for whatever reason he backed him anyway.

There were better men available and he knew it.


You really think he had much choice in the matter?

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 09, 2016 6:17 AM  

> In defense of Reagan, the SJWs still spit when they hear his name.

He was a RIGHT DEVIATIONIST!

Which is an insult to Stalin, who at least conserved his country from Trotskyism.

Blogger Orville September 09, 2016 6:18 AM  

Reagan is the L. Ronnie Hubbard of cuckservatism. They worship him. I used to think sunshine came out of his ass too.

Also COG traces back to the Nixon admin where Cheney and Rumsfeld were promoting it. COG and the police state is a bi-factional creation.

Blogger Lovekraft September 09, 2016 6:21 AM  

The alt-right doesn't need to prop up past heroes as this will tie us down. The alt-right is fluid, diverse and focused on the main goal of destroying the PC sjw/cultural marxist infection.

The core ideology of our movement is to build something out of the ashes, while remaining eternally vigilant against falling back (co-opting, allowing the Left to define us).

Anonymous Mister M September 09, 2016 6:31 AM  

Bill Cooper was talking about COG back on his radio show "Hour of the Time" back in the 90's. He saw the Reagan 'legacy' for what it was. Rothbard saw it too in "Ronald Reagan - an Autopsy", which not only disabuses you of the Reagan rhetoric, but has a funny title as Reagan was still alive when it was written.

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard60.html

Blogger VD September 09, 2016 6:38 AM  

Many recent memoirs have filled out the details of what some of us have long suspected: that Reagan is basically a cretin who, as a long-time actor, is skilled in reading his assigned lines and performing his assigned tasks. Donald Regan and others have commented on Ronald Reagan’s strange passivity, his never asking questions or offering any ideas of his own, his willingness to wait until others place matters before him. Regan has also remarked that Reagan is happiest when following the set schedule that others have placed before him. The actor, having achieved at last the stardom that had eluded him in Hollywood, reads the lines and performs the action that others – his script-writers, his directors – have told him to follow.

That simply doesn't fit with what we know of his personal memoirs, unless one wishes to claim that they were forged.

Blogger Doom September 09, 2016 6:51 AM  

Yes. I was just talking to some young men recently. Sputter, spatter, couldn't and wouldn't just say anything, they were terrified of using the wrong words. I told them they have no idea what they have lost. They can't even call a spade a spade. I thought they were going to run to a safe space, truly. I don't even think they got the inference, they just knew there was bad-think in the general area.

Blogger American Spartan September 09, 2016 7:07 AM  

I hate him for his support for gun control as Governor, signing the "Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (Hughes Amendment IE Poison Pill bill that banned new machine guns for being added to the NFA registery) and supporting "Assault Weapon Bans" after he left office, I can only assume that was him and not his mind setting to go.

I hate him even more for Amnesty, trusting the left after 80 plus years of lies and dealing breaking and not learning anything.

His moronic trust and cucked nature gave away the State of California to the left, an entire state and its potential stolen as well as 55 EC votes and countless house seats were given away and for what?

Not a damn thing.

What a moronic fool he was, and will be remember as, and go figure who values and lionizes a fool, cuck, and traitor?

Fools, cucks, and Traitors

Anonymous nom September 09, 2016 7:12 AM  

"I have to admit, the notion of white Baby Boomers dying in nursing homes surrounded by Hispanics and Africans doing a less-than-half-assed job of caring for them does strike me as a just and fitting end for all too many of them.

You changed the world all right. Or at least your country."


This. Trust me VD as someone who delivered patients to nursing homes it is already happening exactly as you described with all the carelessness, inconsiderateness and irresponsibility that only diversity can bring.

Blogger Phillip George September 09, 2016 7:13 AM  

couch this in different language.
Did Reagan identify a clear and present danger in his day?

The liberty/ freedom to prosper or fail shouldn't be extended to the republic itself. Suicide is not an option in responsible government.

The question, if logically extended to reductio ad absurdum becomes not whether or not to Theorcratize, but how to?

How could a generation say the Lord's prayer and not get their hands dirty from doing it?

Can Trump repair the future?

Blogger Stilicho September 09, 2016 7:22 AM  

On the other hand, Reagan fought against the existential enemy of his day. No time to worry about termites when someone is trying to burn down your house.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2016 7:23 AM  

13.  exfarmkid

In answer to your question. By all accounts he was a different man after the assassination attempt. The fight was if not gone, certainly largely diminished.

Regardless, the right wing in general needs to stop looking backwards to him. Looking for a new version of an old leader is never a sign of political good health.

Although I did fall off my chair laughing my ass off when Jeb Bush claimed to be a "Reagan Conservative." Now that was funny.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 09, 2016 7:47 AM  

@23 Stilicho

On the other hand, Reagan fought against the existential enemy of his day. No time to worry about termites when someone is trying to burn down your house.

Agreed my fellow Cold Warrior.

When Reagan took office the Soviet Union was a bellicose empire in senile decay. Those are always trouble. It wasn't the Hohenzollerns that started WWI, it was the Hapsburgs.

Worse still it was an empire without an emperor.

1n 1980 Brezhnev was so literally senile he tried to award the Order of Lenin to an actor.

The reason he stayed in office was because the rest of the Politburo was completely paralyzed.

In that situation the tail could have wagged the dog if the tail was sufficiently tempting. If the risk/reward was favorable, a few Soviet Colonels might have tried something. And hoped that "Reflexive Actons" would take care of the rest.

Just because WW III didn't happen doesn't mean that it couldn't have.

Blogger American Spartan September 09, 2016 7:48 AM  

nom wrote:"I have to admit, the notion of white Baby Boomers dying in nursing homes surrounded by Hispanics and Africans doing a less-than-half-assed job of caring for them does strike me as a just and fitting end for all too many of them.

You changed the world all right. Or at least your country."

This. Trust me VD as someone who delivered patients to nursing homes it is already happening exactly as you described with all the carelessness, inconsiderateness and irresponsibility that only diversity can bring.


They will sing different turns about non whites when they are under their total control, beaten, neglected, abused, robbed, etc.

That is what they voted for their posterity, that is the end result of their so called "good intentions" and aleast Vox Day readers, we all know what the road to Hell is always paved with now don`t we?

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 09, 2016 7:53 AM  

A nursing home is not a home, and contains no nursing children.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright September 09, 2016 7:55 AM  

I believe Reagan started out as a Democrat. Wasn't he the one who was quoted as saying: "I didn't leave my party. My party left me." Ie. he didn't change his ideas, he just realized that Democrats no longer held them.

It is is possible that would have happened to him again had he lived longer.

Blogger Mountain Man September 09, 2016 8:00 AM  

During a recent political discussion at a family gathering, I reminded my father about Reagan's support of No Fault Divorce - a major plank of feminism. He responded with " I didnt know that". Point by point the perceived purity of these patron saints of conservatism is being eliminated

Blogger dc.sunsets September 09, 2016 8:03 AM  

Demanding that blacks & browns care for (mostly white) nursing home residents is clearly just updated slavery.

Anything short of simply paying minorities to watch TV, smoke weed and pork fatties is a Jim Crow nonstarter.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 09, 2016 8:11 AM  

Reagan was the feel-good leader people recall because he was the figurehead when the final lows were put in for a bust that began in 1964. A social mood rally was due, & spontaneously began under his "watch."

The same sentiment formed Bill "the Dick" Clinton's Teflon, which to this day still helps shield the vicious dyke he married.

We are soooooooo overdue for a sustained trend in the opposite direction.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 09, 2016 8:17 AM  

Mountain Man, reevaluating past data under a different framework is a major component of sentiment change.

Everywhere we look we see evidence that the old Narrative is finally giving way. The two major exceptions are the stock and (especially) the bond markets. It appears they will be the last to turn.

Events of the recent and perhaps even distant past will soon be seen in entirely different light. Lots of heroes are going to be deemed fiends.

Anonymous Joe Blowe September 09, 2016 8:30 AM  

When Reagan ran the Screen Actors Guild he was known in Hollywood as "Red Ronnie".

Reagan may have had a change of heart and might of been a genuine patriot when he was Governor and President but was handicapped by the fact that the Globalists controlled Congress, the Courts, and the Corporate Media. He may have been able to take them on as President but that idea was rubbished when the son of George "CIA" Bush's best friend almost killed him. Reagan was relegated to playing President on TV while the Bush Crime Syndicate ran the country behind the scenes at the behest the Judeo-Masonic Bankster Elite.

Blogger Ron September 09, 2016 8:30 AM  

Dont forget that he also was responsible for allowing the rampant advertising to children.

http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/elist/eListRead/what_ronald_reagan_has_to_do_with_dora_on_your_popsicle_package/

By the time he got into office there was a major push to put severe limits of advertising to children, that is, the class of people most vulnerable and sensitive to emotional manipulation by the bastard ad agencies.

Its good he ended communism, but as pointed out by the OP, his internal actions may have led to catastrophe.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 09, 2016 8:35 AM  

I find it fascinating that Reagan was president early in the last major turn. Bond prices bottomed in 1980-81 and for the first time in any history I've seen we had both fully fiat money AND a secular declining trend in interest rates.

It basically meant that Reagan could have his guns and Congress could have its butter, in literally unlimited quantities. Hand-wringing about the "deficit" was meaningless window dressing. With interest rates headed down, bond vigilantes turned into a bottomless well of demand to OWN bonds, in whatever quantity the USA's managers chose to issue. Need another weapons system or a political patronage social program? CHARGE IT! Not to worry, the card has no credit limit! When owning bonds during interest rate declines is like planting a money tree in the back yard, why would anyone care how much Uncle Sam borrowed and squandered?

Think about all the things Leftists loved about the last 35 years. Think about all the things you love about them (probably a shorter list.) As this paradigm shift in social mood works its way toward a complete reversal, everything will be reinterpreted under a different viewpoint. What appeared good will suddenly appear very, very bad.

The good news is that the Mass Mind is about to turn on the Open Borders Zealots, and we know that a negative social mood is, like rage and fear, much more focused and much more intense than the nebulous euphoria that preceded it. The Equals Temple Cultists run the real risk of being dragged from their homes and "accidentally run over...twice" in the street.

I wouldn't want to be a "celebrity" advocate for BLM, La Raza, Little-girls for Trannies or any of the long list of recent lunatic memes.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 09, 2016 8:42 AM  

Its good he ended communism, but as pointed out by the OP, his internal actions may have led to catastrophe.

"He" didn't end communism. Without Western grain sales and other props, the USSR would have collapsed before it did, a victim of the axiom of market price coordination (and the lack thereof.) Mises predicted the future in 1922, but history tends to surprise us by taking longer than we imagined.

Communism is simply "international" socialism, and the Fabians were proved right, socialism was best spread by subterfuge (democratic socialism) as opposed to the military means. Fabianism (and its Puritan US counterpart, Progressivism) completely dominated the 20th century and survived the USSR, Castro's folly and Maoist China. It was the perfect ideology for a West grown so fat on its past successes that its ignorant children cued up to buy their own chains of slavery.

Time for a change.

Blogger tz September 09, 2016 9:19 AM  

Add abortion and the gun ban when Black Panthers showed up packing.

But like all, these were with good intentions. God still curses intentional grave sin.

The amnesty was also supposes to lock-down the border. Snookered loke the promised spending cuts if he would raise taxes.

Anonymous Teapartydoc September 09, 2016 9:32 AM  

You have to think of Reagan in the context of his time. He was the most right wing option at the time. He compromised but for most of his political life he was surrounded by left wingers even in his own party. Intellectual options that are open to us were not open for him. Not even in the realm of possibility. And he became more right wing as he aged, despite the compromises. How many people could have made the speech A time For Choosing and been thought great for making it? When was there another president in office who took Von Mises and Hayek seriously? How many of you critics have read In His Own Hand, the scripts of his radio talks which he researched and wrote out himself in his own devised shorthand? Reagan is the most accomplished right winger in all of fucking history. Don't forget that.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 09, 2016 9:45 AM  

Reagan is the most accomplished right winger in all of fucking history.

Calvin Coolidge says hi

Blogger S1AL September 09, 2016 10:07 AM  

"Reagan is the most accomplished right winger in all of fucking history."

How are you defining Eisenhower, exactly?

Anonymous BGKB September 09, 2016 10:22 AM  

He was always a negotiator that would give big to get what he wanted but he would get what he wanted

Yea that border wall of his that he traded amnesty for.

Anything short of simply paying minorities to watch TV, smoke weed and pork fatties is a Jim Crow nonstarter.

I guess you never seen blacks at the workplace.

Blogger Salt September 09, 2016 10:26 AM  

Teapartydoc wrote:You have to think of Reagan in the context of his time. He was the most right wing option at the time. He compromised but for most of his political life he was surrounded by left wingers even in his own party.

Haven't read Cuckservative, have you.

Blogger American Spartan September 09, 2016 10:36 AM  

nom wrote:

This. Trust me VD as someone who delivered patients to nursing homes it is already happening exactly as you described with all the carelessness, inconsiderateness and irresponsibility that only diversity can bring.


They spent their entire lives repeating lies. "Diversity is a strength", "Race does not exist", "IQ does not matter one point" "Nation of immigrants" "Those are not our values"

They supported moronic and never ending regulations, increasing the cost of everything all the while whining about never getting ahead.


They supported moronic trade deals that sent wages falling, and sent industries overseas just to increase profits and calling younger generations "lazy" for not being to find any jobs/careers that pay worth a damn.

They voted to open the floodgates to the most backwards, savage, low IQed, collectivist hordes of the 3rd world so they could have "cheap labor", and if you brought up the burden you had to pay you were a "racist, nazi" or "worried about how you can not out compete those who will always work for less then you" all the while feeling like the greatest people on Earth, giving what their forefathers worked, fought, and died to bequeath them away to hordes of people who are working to destroy them, squandering their Posterity birth rights just to save a few bucks and get a hit of dopamine.

They voted to infringe on the 2nd Amendment in countless ways, "Who needs machine guns?", "Why do you need an AR15?", "if you care about "the children" you will do blank", "why will you not just agree to "reasonable limits, common sense "gun safety reforms" all the while it harms the law abiding and emboldens the criminals.

They voted/supported robbing future generations of entire fortunes in the name of "waging a war on poverty" just to make themselves feel better for the "guilt" of being born into a group that worked hard to give their posterity a better life, nation, etc.

Blogger American Spartan September 09, 2016 10:37 AM  



They voted to end/stunt our leap to the stars just so we could "help" the "poor, oppressed fill in the blank"

These spoiled parasites worked, voted, and supported giving away our future, and any means of restoring our republic and securing our future by giving up our status as a majority, making any kind of restoring of Liberty impossible.

Now at their end they get to see the multicultural, "vibrate" future they created and they want no part of it....

The ones with enough wealth and health get to live in "once nice and safe community", seeing a wave of brown come in, seeing blacks riot on tv all the while wishing he had something better for home defense then what he does have now, trying to find a way to get more blood out of a stone like pension, getting mad at illegals getting more handouts while putting in nothing at all, getting upset at being called "racist" or "nazis" for just speaking out.

Living in a collapsing bubble of wealth, safety, and happiness, the dark hordes moving closer and closer day by day.

Those who are warehoused get to see the lie of "race does not matter, IQ does not matter, we are all equal" up close and suffer the incompetence, greed, violence, and other habits/behavior of non whites, enjoy the future you created, we will have it it much worse before it gets any better, you morons (the silent, the greatest, and some of the Boomers) caused this, enjoyed Prosperity beyond measure, pissed it away, voted to make such prosperity impossible via regulations/taxes/immigration, then ran up unplayable debt, opened the borders, disarmed us a great deal, then they get to die before the tab comes due and then try and blame us for not wanting to burn in the Hell on Earth they created...

History will not be kind to these thieves, liars, fools, whores, traitors, tyrants, and self hating cucks, for we will write history for we will win, restore the Republic, Liberty, and America to its full glory.

Blogger American Spartan September 09, 2016 10:38 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:Reagan is the most accomplished right winger in all of fucking history.

Calvin Coolidge says hi


Coolidge is a great leader if for no other reason then the Johnson Reed Act....God Bless him..

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 09, 2016 10:53 AM  

If Reagan were alive today he would be literally HItler, and therefore unelectable.

Anonymous BGKB September 09, 2016 10:54 AM  

"IQ does not matter one point" "Nation of immigrants" "Those are not our values"

To the left IQ only matters when it comes time to execute cop killers and child rapists/murderers.


OT: Where they are Mexicans there is Mexico. Clerk fixed tickets and gave DUI Americans not guilty verdicts before they had trials.
http://www.amren.com/news/2016/09/court-clerk-at-center-of-massive-bribery-scheme-forged-records-for-drunk-drivers-and-others-prosecutors-say/

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 09, 2016 11:08 AM  

> You have to think of Reagan in the context of his time.

Like the Vichy.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 09, 2016 11:19 AM  

Reagan probably signed the Cali divorce law for emotional reasons due to his own divorce from Jane Wyman. He probably expected divorce to be "safe and rare". By the time he was President it must have been obvious that it wasn't working out, but as far as I can tell he did not take any action to limit divorce. So his personal became political and he never wanted to expend the political coin to walk any of it back.

The 1986 amnesty was a one sided deal. Reagan was probably already into early stage dementia. For sure he trusted the union Democrats and his Chamber of Commerce pals on the GOP side, not realizing that that they were actually both on the same side.

The enhanced enforcement that was supposed to happen obviously didn't and that in part is what killed the 2007 McAmnesty plan. I was looking at some old articles from '07 and found an irony: in 1986 deportation was deemed to be impossible, because "You can't really expect to round up ONE MILLION PEOPLE and deport them! It's just not possible!" when Eisenhower did almost exactly that with Operation Wetback.

Ooooh. 1 million! Now it's 10 million and that number is so bogus by a factor of 4 or 5 I just can't help but snicker when I hear it.

Blogger Big Griz September 09, 2016 11:45 AM  

Reagan's problem was trusting the left he compromised with to be honorable men. He considered the amnesty bill his biggest mistake.

Anonymous Tigersault September 09, 2016 12:04 PM  

"We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

A major source of Americans not realizing the true changes that have been wrought is our country's size. Whereas when I was in Spain, they were already at 40 million in terms of population, any serious wave of "refugee", "immigrant", etc. will be felt almost immediately. There are parts of the U.S. that are still overwhelmingly white and have yet to feel the ill effects of the new invaders.

"That being said, Ronald Reagan is one of the individuals responsible for the USA's current predicament due to a) signing the California no-fault divorce law and b) the 1986 Immigration Amnesty. As conservatives are wont to do, he stood up to the external enemy and surrendered to the internal enemy. As internal enemies are always more dangerous, he failed to fight when it counted most."

Most people tend to overlook those two major issues right there. No fault divorce has lead to the frivorce phenomenon that my generation, and generations before it, have to deal with, and the '86 amnesty means immigration law hasn't been enforced just a month longer than I've been alive. To those that wax nostalgic about him, he's been dead for 12 years and he isn't coming back.

Trump is the Reagan of today. Deal with it.

"Reagan smashing into Trump's new wall."

@4 Glad to know my instincts, the Family Guy reference, were confirmed before clicking on the link.

"What the .alt right is going to have to do is not "renew the Republic" but replace it with something that works in the 21st century and beyond "

@5 It reminds me of what a pair of Cubans had did, drafting a new constitution for Cuba once Communism collapses there. One of the first articles they had was about what the official language was followed closely by Cuba being a Christian country. Explicit definitions along with an overarching document might help.

"Simply, the Founders Republic can't function in a world with cheap genetic home engineering, massive unemployment do to automation , robots and the Internet

@5 It may happen that by century's end that all humans in the West no longer have to work. However, given the snail's pace of technological innovation compared to the 1960's with the Apollo program, I doubt it.

"Another likely reason was that journalists who were too feisty and independent would be deprived of their precious access to the Presidential plane or to inside scoops or leaks from the White House."

@17 This is from the article you linked. If Murray thought the press sucking up to Reagan was bad...he should've lived another twenty years to see their groveling before Dear Leader.

"Perhaps that’s part of the explanation for the torrent of unconditional love that the American public has poured onto Ronald Reagan. Lost in Hollywood loony-land, Ronnie’s sincere optimism struck a responsive chord in the American masses."

After four years of Carter, the Iranian hostage crisis, the misery index, who can blame any American for thinking that.

Anonymous Tigersault September 09, 2016 12:04 PM  

"Reagan’s handlers perceived early on that one threat to Reagan’s Teflon rule would be allowing him to mix it up with members of the press. Away from his teleprompter, Ronnie was a real problem. So very soon, any sort of real press conference, including uninhibited questions and answers, was done away with. The only press "conferences" became shouted questions as Reagan walked quickly to and from the White House helicopter. One of his handlers has written that, despite all efforts, they couldn’t stop Reagan from exercising one peculiar personality trait: his compulsion to answer every question that he hears. But fortunately, not much was risked, since the noise of the helicopter engines would drown out most of the repartee."

Replace it with Obama...or Clinton and her earpiece...

"The US war against the Sandinistas on the other hand, which has been conducted at enormous expense and waged hand-in-hand with Guatemalan, Honduran, and Salvadoran dictators, is going down the drain, despite illegal CIA mining of harbors and injury to neutral shipping. Even the nearly comatose American public is giving up on the idea of supporting bandit guerrillas, so long as they are anti-Communist, despite the best efforts of Ollie and Secord and Singlaub and Abrams and all the rest of the war crowd."

Good book on the Nicaraguan civil war is The Real Contra War by Timothy Brown. Talk to any non-Sandinista Nicaraguan today and they laud Reagan.

"I hate him even more for Amnesty, trusting the left after 80 plus years of lies and dealing breaking and not learning anything. "

@20 Though too young to really remember him, that is one of the two main beefs I have with him. People always say, "Well, the Democrats tricked him!" BS!! You sign it, you own it!

"On the other hand, Reagan fought against the existential enemy of his day."

@23 That's the big plus in his favor. Imagine if the Soviet Union still existed...

"Regardless, the right wing in general needs to stop looking backwards to him. Looking for a new version of an old leader is never a sign of political good health.'

@24 Exactly.

"When Reagan took office the Soviet Union was a bellicose empire in senile decay. Those are always trouble. It wasn't the Hohenzollerns that started WWI, it was the Hapsburgs.
"

@25 A good book on containment and rollback is . If anyone has access to the National Security Archive at George Washington University, lost to me since having graduation grad school, the amount of new documents being declassified on the Cold War is fascinating. North Koreans flew in the Vietnam War, for example.

@28 He did start out as a Democrat.

"OT: Where they are Mexicans there is Mexico. Clerk fixed tickets and gave DUI Americans not guilty verdicts before they had trials. "

@47 But but but...magic dirt! RACIS!!!!!!

"Reagan probably signed the Cali divorce law for emotional reasons due to his own divorce from Jane Wyman. He probably expected divorce to be 'safe and rare'."

@49 He was on his second wife in the White House. Most tend to forget or overlook that. Anyone taking Trump on for his third needs to shut up. I don't agree with it but Reagan was no better.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 09, 2016 12:16 PM  

@28 L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright

It is is possible that would have happened to him again had he lived longer.
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I remember this happened to Zell Miller

Blogger D. Bay September 09, 2016 12:51 PM  

"I have to admit, the notion of white Baby Boomers dying in nursing homes surrounded by Hispanics and Africans doing a less-than-half-assed job of caring for them does strike me as a just and fitting end for all too many of them.

You changed the world all right. Or at least your country."

That's basically what John Derbyshire wrote in an old National Review column, his fears of being old and living in a nursing home just as you described.

Anonymous mature craig September 09, 2016 12:55 PM  

According to wikipedia several hundred people were rounded up and deported in 1954 under Eisenhower

Anonymous mature craig September 09, 2016 12:57 PM  

Also i recently figured the pole part of the street sign is not considered the street sign.just the part with the sign

Anonymous GreyS September 09, 2016 1:36 PM  

He sold us out on immigration-- and he was from California so he knew what we were going through. That '86 amnesty program led to massively increased illegal immigration which has almost ruined the country. It definitely ruined California.

Reagan had some great aspects and was very likable, but one could be forgiven for thinking of him as the ProtoCuck. He was hated by the left, revered by the rest, and Republican politicians knew they could play a fake 'America First' game pretty easily from then on.

Heck, Pete Wilson was much tougher on illegals than Reagan ever was. Of course that was several years later as the state began falling apart due to the massive influx of illegals-- but that was Reagan's doing because of the 1986 open invitation.

Blogger Verne September 09, 2016 3:06 PM  

It is hard to say where he would have been. He was able to change, having gone from a liberal to conservative, pro abortion to a strong pro life. Hell he sounds like Trump like that. But would he have changed one more time? He honestly believed that his amnesty was going to be a one time thing. And that anti illegal immigrant law was a strong one. It was just never enforced. I do not claim to know.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 09, 2016 4:51 PM  

Especially for those of who currently have grandkids...

Anonymous jcdenton September 09, 2016 5:45 PM  

I'm going to kindly suggest that most here, including the OP, re: Reagan don't know WTF they are talking about ..

You read (and believe) too much fiction ..

Most of (if not all) the alt-right have it wrong as well ..

Reagan, post his assassination attempt, was tantamount to being a double-agent in his own administration ..

Difficult to be fully POTUS, when your selected (for you) VP is the acting director of Deutsche Verteidigungs Dienst (DVD) ..

In this situation, you compromise where you can. Where you can't, you don't. That is to be politically viable ..

Your best move is to put in place, variables before inauguration ..

And, you seal the deal before the end of your first year in office ..

With that, your legacy still lives ..

http://eagleonetowanta.com/

https://youtu.be/29bkCJ81TOU?list=PL1yWdjkeR-5KSR11kvFZwmZBYf4wYf0Kh

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Anonymous Mister M September 09, 2016 8:18 PM  

"That simply doesn't fit with what we know of his personal memoirs, unless one wishes to claim that they were forged."

No, not forged, but Rothbard takes Donald Regan's opinion (and others) as his source. Reagan's memoirs are also going to be positive - they're his memoirs after all and he would never pillory himself.

The rest of Rothbard's article is an effective evisceration of the 'conservative Reagan' myth.

Anonymous map September 09, 2016 9:38 PM  

Don't forget Reagan providing minority disadvantaged business status.

Blogger SciVo September 09, 2016 10:56 PM  

I believe Reagan started out as a Democrat.

Indeed. IIRC he voted for FDR four times, and even stumped for Truman.

Blogger Unknown September 09, 2016 10:59 PM  

You guys realise Reagan was a member of Bohemian Grove? There's even a photo with him and Nixon together in attendance

Blogger seeingsights September 10, 2016 11:12 AM  

I'm an Eisenhower Republican: promote a booming economy, ending wars, and deporting illegal immigrants:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback#Operation_Wetback_.281954.29

Anonymous Instasetting September 11, 2016 2:04 PM  

One reason Libertarians hate Reagan is because he showed that Conservatives could win, and run things very well. And if that was the case, then the need for Libertarianism vanished.

Anonymous Avalanche September 18, 2016 11:39 AM  

@43
"They spent their entire lives repeating lies.
They supported moronic and never ending regulations
They supported moronic trade deals
They voted to open the floodgates
They voted to infringe on the 2nd Amendment
They voted/supported robbing future generations"

Do y'all never consider that "they" didn’t? (Not actually defensive) Boomer here, hi. *I* did not do any of these things; I learned decades ago that there was nothing I could do, in any way, to affect what was being DONE TO me and my country. I don't think, pace Vox, that this was despair. I think it was recognition of the truth: *I* could do nothing to prevent these horrors.

I could and DID work in my 'dating, mating, marrying' advice list to try to awaken and protect young (nearly all White) women from the ravages of feminism and multiculti! (One kindergarten teacher cried grateful tears when I didn’t merely give her permission, but strongly urged her as I did all the ladies, to not EVER cross the race barrier! NO ONE had ever given her permission (or the words) to say: "no thank you, I don't date outside my race"!?) I still work to awaken my friends and neighbors.
nything to contribute to such a huge problem?")

Anonymous Avalanche September 18, 2016 11:40 AM  

(cont.)
I cannot affect the trade deals or borders or Supreme Court... Nothing I do can ({eye roll} vote for this or that carefully chosen sell-out to our foreign overlords. Really?!) will have an effect. PERHAPS awakening the White folk I can reach can have an effect.

Consultant Peter Sandman discusses (in the risk communication field), that using fear in what he calls "precaution advocacy" (e.g., showing horrific car accidents to "encourage" seatbelt use) can go too far, can tip your intended audience over from appropriate fear (and thus protective / precautionary action) into terror, denial, and an inability to act. (This often masquerades as "that won't happen to me!" bravado.)

www.psandman.com/col/9-11.htm#No-3

Risk Communication and the War Against Terrorism: High Hazard, High Outrage
"Apathy is insufficient concern. Denial, on the other hand, is concern so great it trips a psychic circuit-breaker. Picture a continuum with apathy and panic at the two extremes, and concern in the middle. The goal was and is to move the public to this desirable middle. But while apathy is the opposite of panic, denial is just panic in another form: repressed panic. Not surprisingly, the risk communication strategies appropriate for addressing apathy are radically different from those that work to address denial or panic."

www.psandman.com/col/climate.htm#other
Climate Change Risk Communication: The Problem of Psychological Denial
"In the 1990s, I dealt with another issue that struck me as more about denial than apathy: endocrine disruptors. .. It seemed an irresistible story for journalists, especially in its sexual implications: frogs with stunted penises, humans with diminishing sperm counts, etc.

"But it never caught fire -- not so far, anyway. Though its scientific validity and health significance are still unsettled, the endocrine disruption hypothesis should have been a big public controversy. It possessed nearly all the "outrage factors" that I have argued determine how people respond to a risk: coerced, unnatural, unfamiliar, memorable, dreaded, etc. Were people nonetheless too apathetic to focus on it? Or were they too terrified? I think the latter."

www.psandman.com/col/ducttape.htm
Duct Tape Risk Communication
"The essence of the government's advice is to be vigilant; to take those precautions that are prudent (not too expensive or too disruptive); and to go about our business. This "routinization of terror" is almost undoubtedly the right long-term response to the new reality in which we find ourselves: neither pretending that the terrorist threat isn't there nor allowing the terrorist threat to dominate our lives. ...

So why do we rebel? Among the answers:
Hopelessness ("My world is ruined and I can't imagine it getting better.")
Denial ("I don’t want to think about it.")
Projection ("In the face of this threat I feel helpless and small and inept and stupid. But those feelings are unbearable, so I'll accuse the government of being helpless and small and inept and stupid.")
Fatalism ("Nothing will help. What will be will be.")
Distrust of the government. ("They lie. They exaggerate. They minimize. They don't really know anything. They have ulterior motives.")
Failure of imagination ("How can I possibly have anything to contribute to such a huge problem?")

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