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Thursday, September 08, 2016

Correcting the Churchians

One of Jerry Pournelle's readers points out that there are considerably more lessons from the Bible that can be applied to the question of immigration than are generally applied by Churchians who carefully cherry-pick a single element from a verse they otherwise ignore:
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

“St. Paul may have been an optimist.” - Jerry Pournelle

Or Galatians 3:28 is being grotesquely and disingenuously wrenched out of context to attempt to justify secular social and political goals and ideas it never had the slightest connection with.  Coincidentally enough this verse and a few others before and after were the Epistle reading a few Sundays ago at our church.  Since you appear to be using the Berean Literal Bible I’ll continue with it:

Galatians 3:26 teaches, “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.”

Galatians 3:27 continues, “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”

And Galatians 3:29 followed up with, “Now if you are of Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to the promise.”

Taken together this very clearly refers to a fellowship of all Christian believers.   It certainly can never be used under any circumstances to justify an unlimited influx of non-Christians into any Christian land.  And it can’t even be used at all unless a theocracy is set up.

Alternately we could go ahead and add numerical references to each word in the Bible, or even each letter.  This will make it still easier for people to indulge that favorite pass time of using the Bible to justify their personal positions.  As the late Sam Francis observed on the occasion of the Southern Baptist Convention’s apology for slavery, the Bible endorses human slavery and does not prohibit it.  Even John the Baptist and the Apostle Paul advised slaves to be content in their situations.

But this being Sunday, I’ll quote one another applicable Bible teaching, this one on the question of the extremely wealthy welcoming strangers while imposing all the costs of their hospitality involuntarily on their poor neighbors:

2 Samuel 12:1-6

The Lord sent Nathan to David. When he came to him, he said, “There were two men in a certain town, one rich and the other poor. The rich man had a very large number of sheep and cattle, but the poor man had nothing except one little ewe lamb he had bought. He raised it, and it grew up with him and his children. It shared his food, drank from his cup and even slept in his arms. It was like a daughter to him. 

“Now a traveler came to the rich man, but the rich man refrained from taking one of his own sheep or cattle to prepare a meal for the traveler who had come to him. Instead, he took the ewe lamb that belonged to the poor man and prepared it for the one who had come to him.”

David burned with anger against the man and said to Nathan, “As surely as the Lord lives, the man who did this must die!  He must pay for that lamb four times over, because he did such a thing and had no pity.”

This seems appropriate for the many persons who enjoy the large profits of low cost immigrant labor – frequently illegals – while involuntarily imposing all the social costs onto the broader community.  Mark Zuckerberg and his H1B programmers come to mind here.
As is ALWAYS the case every time the Churchian case is examined, it turns out to not only have destructive and diabolical consequences, but it is obviously theologically incorrect, and all too often, directly anti-Biblical. In fact, as far as immigration goes, this is merely scratching the surface of the total historical falsity of the Churchian pro-immigration case.

Churchianity is a series of lies stacked upon other lies. I will not go so far as to say it is the religion of the Antichrist, although it carries a distinctly deceitful odor that is in line with various prophecies of that abomination. But there is no doubt whatsoever that it is anti-Biblical and anti-Christian.

UPDATE: I forgot to answer a question posed by Jerry:

We’ll assume it is possible for the sake of discussion, but can we all agree that it will be very difficult and expensive to deport them all, and the benefits of deporting all 11 million are likely to be lower than the costs?

No. It may be difficult and expensive, but it will definitely be worth the cost. And then we can start on however many are necessary to restore the promised pre-1965 demographic levels.

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139 Comments:

Anonymous Jack Amok September 08, 2016 11:48 AM  

Churchianity is a series of lies stacked upon other lies. I will not go so far as to say it is the religion of the Antichrist...

Commies weren't creative enough to invent entryism on their own. They must have learned it from someone.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 08, 2016 11:49 AM  

No, they'll just engage the AntiChrist in ecumenical dialogue whilst performing their function of suppressing any Biblicists wandering lost in their midst.

There is no mercy for those who, possessing the Book, pervert it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 08, 2016 11:50 AM  

American Churchianity traces back to Norman Vincent Peale and the original "reality-based community" of occultists in New England.

The Puritans did nothing wrong.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 08, 2016 11:51 AM  

Globalism is Anti-Christ. All globalists, knowingly or not are in fellowship with and serve the coming Anti-Christ.

The Christian MUST be Nationalist. In victory or defeat we must oppose the Anti-Christ.

Blogger haus frau September 08, 2016 11:52 AM  

There is nothing Christian about Lutheran an Catholic charities inviting heathens into a Christian society. For every few heathens they might convert, far more Christians or natural Americans are led astray in to the heathen's faith (thinking of blacks and Islam) or are outright harmed by crime and impoverished by the welfare state.

Blogger Anchorman September 08, 2016 11:54 AM  

The further your stray for Biblical teachings, the easier it is for the enemy to corrupt. May not be anti-Christ, but it's a weapon easily sharpened and wielded by the enemy.

Anonymous Gecko September 08, 2016 12:02 PM  

Furthermore, the Christians in Syria cannot be admitted because the U.S. definition of a refugee is limited only to people persecuted by their own government.

Blogger Whisker biscuit September 08, 2016 12:08 PM  

Douglas Wilson has been cucking it up lately with his pro immigration rhetoric and constant Trump bashing.

Faith and Heritage took him to task...

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 08, 2016 12:09 PM  

1 Timothy 5 says you shouldn't give free handouts to most widows, because SOME of them were not really Christians, and were using their sponsored leisure time to spread gossip.

Gosh. "Some of them" weren't even raping children. Maybe we should build a wall.

Blogger haus frau September 08, 2016 12:10 PM  

@7 Furthermore, the Christians in Syria cannot be admitted because the U.S. definition of a refugee is limited only to people persecuted by their own government.


Coincidentally this guarantees the Islamic refugees we do receive will contain a high number of ISIS sympathizers as the Syrian government is persecuting this virulent branch of Islam. Fancy that.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 08, 2016 12:13 PM  

@10 Well, ISIS folks are natural Conservatives.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 08, 2016 12:15 PM  

It's not only Zuckerberg and Gates being able to privatize their profits and socialize their costs who need the rope, but all the Churchians who are profiteering from re-settling rapefugees from such enlightened places as Somalia. Apparently, there are several Rotherham-type operations under way presently in the heartland of the Banana Empire. Not only have the Churchians been directly profiting from re-settling the perpetrators of this racket here, the police, prosecutors and (((of course))) the Lügenpresse have been covering it up - just as in merry olde England. Where are all the oath-keepers?? Probably cucking away in the donut shop. Worthless would be a charitable adjective….

Blogger haus frau September 08, 2016 12:17 PM  

@11 Family vales don't stop at the Euphrates.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2016 12:18 PM  

its just a plain ol' heresy. nothing new under the sun.

Anonymous Drose September 08, 2016 12:22 PM  

Aeoli Pera September 08, 2016 11:50 AM
American Churchianity traces back to Norman Vincent Peale and the original "reality-based community" of occultists in New England.


I think this link is broken

Anonymous Difster September 08, 2016 12:24 PM  

It is one thing to love your enemy and pray for those that persecute you. It is quite another to invite your enemy in to your home and hand him the knife he will use to slit your throat while you sleep.

Blogger icr September 08, 2016 12:28 PM  

Is there any church in the US (aside from purist(?)Anabaptist oddities like the Amish) that doesn't practice Churchianity?

Anonymous Rhino September 08, 2016 12:29 PM  

Therefore make Christianity a sine qua non of the alt-right?

Blogger VD September 08, 2016 12:33 PM  

Therefore make Christianity a sine qua non of the alt-right?

Christianity. Not Churchianity.

Blogger Escoffier September 08, 2016 12:39 PM  

I think those like the pagan yesterday and the cucks like Erick Ericson will be quite surprised when actual Christianity shows up.

Blogger Melampus the Seer September 08, 2016 12:43 PM  

Church tradition, form which the Bible itself comes, also stands against Islamic immigration and integration. After the Three Hierarchs put down the heretical Arians, Nestorians, Monophysites, and Monothelites, these heretics moved to the outer reaches of Christendom in the Middle East. Mohammed encountered their ideas, and thus Islam became a giant collection of false prophesy, Christian heresy, and misunderstood Jewish Talmudist mixed in a brew of bedouin magical beliefs. It's straight up satanic.

I highly recommend St. Maximos the Greek's book Discourse of Defamation Against the Sorceries Invented by the Vile Dog Mohammed.

Blogger Rabbi B September 08, 2016 12:48 PM  

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless . . . as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. (II Peter 3)

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the L-rd who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. (II Timothy 3)

We are living in the the age of careless ear-tickling. Most are lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of G-d, having a form of godliness but denying its power. We are commanded to turn away from such people, people who are always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

Blogger Escoffier September 08, 2016 12:49 PM  

Not to derail but just clicked over to read's it at Jerry's site and came across this...

"With only these facts we can draw some conclusions. First, it would be difficult to find and apprehend all 11 million. It would also be very expensive. We’ll assume it is possible for the sake of discussion, but can we all agree that it will be very difficult and expensive to deport them all, and the benefits of deporting all 11 million are likely to be lower than the costs?"

I'm pretty sure all the poor folk competing with the illegals for jobs and seeing their wages decimated might just disagree with Jerry. I have a particular loathing for this argument. We have zero obligation to provide jobs to Mexican (or whatever) nationals in preference to our own people, most especially illegal aliens, so how in the hell did this become a de facto 'conservative' principle?

Maybe because I work in an profession where a man could make an okay living once a upon a time, and no longer can, but this casual attitude toward something that is in fact a big damn deal really pisses me off.

Blogger Rory Porth September 08, 2016 12:52 PM  

In the Book of Numbers (15) it states clearly that there is "one Law" for the Israelite *AND* the foreigner (non-Israelite) that joined with them. They are to be treated the same as Israelites - yet these are the folks that wanted to assimilate with the Israelites.....

We don't have folks that wish to assimilate now....

Anonymous Difster September 08, 2016 12:56 PM  

"...but can we all agree that it will be very difficult and expensive to deport them all, and the benefits of deporting all 11 million are likely to be lower than the costs?"

That depends, in part, what you consider the benefits to be.

Blogger Azimus September 08, 2016 12:59 PM  

This past spring, on this topic I did a personal study of the Bible to seek God's counsel in this matter. I tried, not to shoe-horn my belief into the Bible, but to learn from what it has to say. Needless to say, the Bible is clear in some regards and not clear in others.

The day before yesterday I read Isaiah 56:3 - 7.


"3. Let no foreigner who is bound to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely exclude me from his people.” And let no eunuch complain,
“I am only a dry tree.”

4. For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose what pleases me and hold fast to my covenant—

5. to them I will give within my temple and its walls, a memorial and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will endure forever.

6. And foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant—

7. these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Maybe it's churchian/cuck, I don't know. But it harmonizes with many of the verses I found related to foreigners in the scriptures. I think the idea is that they are accepted, but also remain an unique group, like the Greeks who were allowed to listen to Paul's teaching in the Jewish synagogues throughout the Roman Empire.

Blogger clk September 08, 2016 1:00 PM  

One of the roots of the problem here is the concept of sola scriptura and the belief that one can read the bible themselves and interpret the words directly --- if we had kept the bible in latin and restricted its interpreters to those in the Church entrusted with the sacred traditions and teaching authority of the keys,, none of this would have happened....
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Just kidding ... things have been a bit dark around here ... thought I would add some levity.... :)

Anonymous Rolf September 08, 2016 1:01 PM  

When an open-border type says the poor-'n-starving have a right to be here, ask the immigrationist "how does your son benefit from competing with super-low-wage illegals crossing the southern border for low-end jobs, and competing with the top 1% of smart people on H1Bs from other nations? How do those people make it easier for him to get a job that pays a family wage? Be specific. Why do you hate American children so much?"

Anonymous Bob September 08, 2016 1:01 PM  

What is essential is that the Christians of each tribe take on the identity of Christian above their own racial tribe. By embracing the culture of Christianity and its virtues, and by rejecting anything in their own heritage that conflicts with it, they can become one new tribe.

If they hold anything above Christ and His teachings, though, there will be strife. This was true even then - the Jewish Christians sought to impose their inherited laws (those of the Pharisees, primarily) on the Gentile Christians, but the apostles denied them. Even the quoted verses have that in mind - the Jew saw himself as superior to the Gentile, so Paul wrote strongly that there was now no distinction.

Blogger YIH September 08, 2016 1:08 PM  

Gecko wrote:Furthermore, the Christians in Syria cannot be admitted because the U.S. definition of a refugee is limited only to people persecuted by their own government.
Hard-hearted as it sounds, I don't want Christian ''refugees'' from Syria (or Iraq, Afghanistan, ect) either.
Of course, not moslims either. The reason is if such a position were implemented (perhaps by Trump) it would become ''the golden ticket'' to the US/Europe.
Fake ''christians'' who would even rattle off New Testament verses for admission or welfare not unlike the Saudi practice of quizzing potential entrants to Mecca on the koran.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 08, 2016 1:12 PM  

Christianity is not a culture nor does it replace or erase cultures. It is a redeemer of cultures.

This is why it is correct to help Syrian Christians in Syria; not bring them here.

Blogger VD September 08, 2016 1:13 PM  

can we all agree that it will be very difficult and expensive to deport them all, and the benefits of deporting all 11 million are likely to be lower than the costs?"

No. Hell no.

Anonymous Axe Head September 08, 2016 1:16 PM  

@28 Yes, all this so-called "love" for the foreigner combines with a practical hatred of our neighbors.

Anonymous Axe Head September 08, 2016 1:17 PM  

"It's too hard to deport!" snivels the weakling.

OpenID basementhomebrewer September 08, 2016 1:19 PM  

Escoffier wrote:Not to derail but just clicked over to read's it at Jerry's site and came across this...

"With only these facts we can draw some conclusions. First, it would be difficult to find and apprehend all 11 million. It would also be very expensive. We’ll assume it is possible for the sake of discussion, but can we all agree that it will be very difficult and expensive to deport them all, and the benefits of deporting all 11 million are likely to be lower than the costs?"

I'm pretty sure all the poor folk competing with the illegals for jobs and seeing their wages decimated might just disagree with Jerry. I have a particular loathing for this argument. We have zero obligation to provide jobs to Mexican (or whatever) nationals in preference to our own people, most especially illegal aliens, so how in the hell did this become a de facto 'conservative' principle?

Maybe because I work in an profession where a man could make an okay living once a upon a time, and no longer can, but this casual attitude toward something that is in fact a big damn deal really pisses me off.



That argument is wearing thin and I am annoyed no one on the national stage has thoroughly addressed it. The simple answer has always been cut off all government services and vigorously enforce existing employment laws. The "hard workers just trying to provide for their families" will self deport. All that is left are the people working in criminal enterprise after that. The American people are not going to have their heart strings tugged when "Pedro the Pusher" is getting dragged out of his house and deported.

Anonymous Darth Wheatley #2415 September 08, 2016 1:22 PM  

I've been trying to get people to wrap their brain around the idea of "helping people where they are." Surprisingly, Mrs. Wheatley agreed with my explanation of why immigration is wrecking the US economy and culture.

I should probably print out some business cards with key verses on this to hand out.

I really believe Globalism is going to be the foothold of the Antichrist's singular world religion... but hopefully I won't be around to see that abomination come to fruition. Damned if they're not trying, though.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2016 1:28 PM  

"I've been trying to get people to wrap their brain around the idea of "helping people where they are."

if I may offer a tactic.

Tell them that one of the points of the Good Samaritan parable is that your neighbor is the person who is right in front of your face. All charity is local.

Blogger Doom September 08, 2016 1:34 PM  

"And then we can start on however many are necessary to restore the promised pre-1965 demographic levels."

Given how fast they populate, I think the number will have to be lower than the pre-1965 numbers... Some algorithm will have to be used to ensure they don't do exactly what they are doing, if on a longer timeline. With deportation of any overages to keep some lid on balance. Say, those who go on welfare/government employment or vote Democrat will all be put in a bin and family names pulled at random. Off the f ing island! You and your whole crew.

Anonymous map September 08, 2016 1:34 PM  

Look, it's very easy to get rid of any illegals in this country. You just target the businesses that employ them.

How is that done? One way is to look in the social security database for duplicate social security numbers. Illegals routinely use those. Target the businesses that employ these duplicate numbers.

Alternatively, you allow the public to report companies suspected of employing illegals. The company will be fined $1,000 a day per illegal with half the money going to the whistle blower.

This is all very easy.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2016 1:34 PM  

"can we all agree that it will be very difficult and expensive to deport them all, and the benefits of deporting all 11 million are likely to be lower than the costs?"

Hell no we can't.

anyone with even moderate time preferences should be able to see how dumb that statement is.

Anonymous Patrik September 08, 2016 1:35 PM  

You're making the churchian mistake of looking for an organization (ie Southern Baptist Convention or Presbyterian Church of America), the organizations have been converged. You need to find a church (ie a gathering of Christians) that is alive and practicing faithfully those instructions left for us.

I'd personally recommend less looking for al the right doctrines, and instead see how the church has raised up it's Elders. Do they permit divorce? Do they segregate children into tiny classrooms taught by women? Is anything taught by women?

Blogger Nate September 08, 2016 1:35 PM  

"You just target the businesses that employ them."

its easier than that.

You simply introduce a very real cost to getting caught breaking the law.

As soon as there is a real cost to breaking that law... the vast majority will self deport.

Blogger mushroom September 08, 2016 1:39 PM  

Azimus wrote:6. And foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants,

all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it and who hold fast to my covenant—


In terms of Christianity, this means that a person who abides in Christ is accepted in Christ. They are part of the Body of Christ. That doesn't mean they are part of a given culture or nation. The Great Commission is to make disciples of all nations, teaching them and bringing them under the sacred disciplines of the Church. Christianity, if practiced, can redeem a culture -- which may some day happen in China. Conversely a culture can corrupt Christianity -- as has happened in much of Latin America in the past.

We're not saying a Syrian Christian is not a Christian. We're saying he is not an American, and his calling is not to be "adopted" and cared for in some nice American suburb. His calling is to be a man of God and to be a witness in his culture and nation.

Blogger Dave September 08, 2016 1:43 PM  

I was just thinking about the biblical basis for nationalism. I'm not a big fan of nationalism. As a Christian, I believe in total depravity and that there is no place for "pride" in humanity. However, I do believe in a modified nationalism that admits that certain cultures are better than others, by the grace of God.

Romans 9:1-5 seems to support the idea that Paul was a Jewish nationalist to some degree. "For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my people, those of my own race". He then goes on to make the argument that the "children of the promise are counted as the seed" (vs. 8). Nonetheless, Paul's heart is with the jewish people.

This would seem to me to be a strong case for nationalism (modified to rule out human pride).

Blogger Murray September 08, 2016 1:45 PM  

The Galatians 3 argument for open immigration fails at the first hurdle, even before you get to St Paul's qualifications about Christian Brotherhood:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

If we follow the open-borders logic, we must not only disregard ethnic differences between people, but we're also commanded to make no distinctions between the sexes. Not only are we to become an amorphous mass of indeterminate ethnicity, but we're also to become asexual.

Now granted, this is more or less what the left claims to want (usually right before they claim that women are higher beings than men), but it's a good counterpoint to normies who invoke St Paul to justify mass immigration.

Blogger Elder Son September 08, 2016 1:53 PM  

And when you go out into all the nations and make disciples, make sure you tell them they must move to Israel and become a Jew.

It says so, right in the bible.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 08, 2016 1:53 PM  

I have repeatedly confronted the Cuckchurchians I know on social media with a completely contextual, entirely scriptural argument for nationalism and against globalism, and then asked them to refute it.

Not a single one of them ever has. Not a single one of them has ever tried. Mostly, they just trot out the "We'll just have to agree to disagree" line.

Blogger Sam Lively September 08, 2016 1:54 PM  

Why is pre-1965 demographics the absolute mandate?

How about 1980 as a more attainable goal? That's the country that elected Reagan.

80% non-Hispanic white, 12% black, 6% Hispanic, 4% everybody else.

Blogger rekrapt September 08, 2016 2:00 PM  

I get this thrown at me a lot by Churchians and I'm never really sure how to respond: Leviticus 19:33-34...

"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."

Blogger Murray September 08, 2016 2:06 PM  

@49,

That verse is often translated, When a stranger sojourns among you in your land... We'd need a good Hebrew or Greek expert to determine the better translation, but a sojourner is a temporary resident, not an immigrant.

Anonymous 5343 September 08, 2016 2:07 PM  

clk wrote:One of the roots of the problem here is the concept of sola scriptura and the belief that one can read the bible themselves and interpret the words directly --- if we had kept the bible in latin and restricted its interpreters to those in the Church entrusted with the sacred traditions and teaching authority of the keys,, none of this would have happened....

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Just kidding ... things have been a bit dark around here ... thought I would add some levity.... :)



Thank heaven. For a lunatic second I was afraid you were dead serious.

Blogger Phelps September 08, 2016 2:11 PM  

PCA is pretty good if you are Reformed, but convergence has started here too. They are mewling about allowing female deacons.

Blogger Phelps September 08, 2016 2:12 PM  

John 17:9: I pray for them [christians]: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Blogger rekrapt September 08, 2016 2:15 PM  

@50

Thanks, that at least gives me something to throw back at them. The whole passage just doesn't make any sense to me. Seems counter-intuitive to maintaining a proper "tribe".

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 08, 2016 2:15 PM  

The Federal government can't afford a deportation pogrom. Look how costly it's been to remove white people from a few square miles of inner city!

The idea that someone who has traveled thousands of miles in search of a handout can be motivated to return the same way to save his life is preposterous.

Immigrants are firmly rooted in their newly native soil. Like real Americans, they have nowhere else to go, and will stand and die fighting like the other tribes that contested whites for the continent.

It would make for incredible cinema, if only there were any Jews left to tell it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2016 2:16 PM  

This applies only to those who wish to assimilate, to become Israelites.

"Do not mistreat him" is not "let him take your children's inheritance" It is not "prosstrate yourself before him". It is not "pay him to do nothing". It is not even "let him in" it is that he must be equal before the law. Nothing more.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 08, 2016 2:19 PM  

> When a stranger sojourns among you...

Notice it doesn't say, "Let sojourners dwell among you."

It just tells you how to treat those you let in.

Blogger rekrapt September 08, 2016 2:23 PM  

@57

I'm not even sure these folks even understand that there are multiple translations of the Bible other than the two or three they're familiar with. ;) The copy/paste stuff they throw at me never refers to them as "sojourners".

Blogger Murray September 08, 2016 2:24 PM  

Checking a few of the Lv 19:33-34 translations, the reference is very clearly to a visitor or a temporary entrant:

Complete Jewish Bible: If a foreigner stays with you in your land, do not do him wrong.

Douay-Rheims: If a stranger dwell in your land, and abide among you, do not upbraid him...

ESV: When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.

Good News: Do not mistreat foreigners who are living in your land.

KJV: And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

RSVCE: When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong.

Note that the reference is clearly to an individual, temporary visitor, and to the individual Israelite's duty to treat him hospitably. It's entirely irrelevant to the modern immigration debate, in which we are exhorted collectively to accept large masses of permanent foreign residents.

Blogger Cane Caldo September 08, 2016 2:24 PM  

@45

Murray wrote:

"If we follow the open-borders logic, we must not only disregard ethnic differences between people, but we're also commanded to make no distinctions between the sexes. Not only are we to become an amorphous mass of indeterminate ethnicity, but we're also to become asexual."

That could be one way to read it, if the authors didn't take pains to make clear that sexual distinctions are to be kept. But they did.

Paul says several things about the Jews, Cretans, and other gentiles as a whole which would get him tossed out of a church as a racist today. Nevertheless: He and the other authors never--in the whole NT--make a call for ethno-naitonalism, but many times proclaim there is one and only one new nation in Christ. They do not call this new nation "Jews", and specifically repudiate some sort of "Jewishness" in Christ and they say He is no longer a Jew. The old chestnut "my boss is a Jewish carpenter" is wrong.

The various prohibitions and rules in the OT are relevant in that they are a guide on how those of the Nation of Christ are to interact with the various ethnic nations; which are not of Christ. That's what they always were, but the Israelites were ignorant of Christ; not to mention arrogant swindlers who had to deal with various non-Israelite tribes that commanded huge armies of massive men, ate people, sacrificed babies, etc.

@49

It is not mistreatment to give a foreigner who asks some food, or some other help, and say to them: "You need to go home. This isn't the place for you. Do you need help getting there? Godspeed."

And there are other laws in the OT for how Israelites were to deal with foreigners in their midst. To sum up: They either must be circumcised and therefore join the Israelites, or they were to be kept separate and had no say-so in the running of affairs. They were to be treated as non-citizens. They could not enter the congregation, worship with them, Israelites could charge them (but not each other) interest-bearing loans, etc.

Blogger LurkingPuppy September 08, 2016 2:29 PM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:That argument is wearing thin and I am annoyed no one on the national stage has thoroughly addressed it. The simple answer has always been cut off all government services and vigorously enforce existing employment laws.

The simple answer has always been, “Bullets are cheap.” Let them self-deport, or not. I don't care anymore.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 2:37 PM  

One great way to begin the process of removal here in the United State - is to immediately mandate that only white males, of Anglo descent and who own property have the right to vote .
Overnight all welfare/gunvernment benefits would cease. The duskies would flee faster than rats when a feral cat shows up.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 08, 2016 2:37 PM  

"I get this thrown at me a lot by Churchians and I'm never really sure how to respond: Leviticus 19:33-34...

"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God." "

And they're subject to the same laws, and they're subject to the same penalties, and if they try to spread their foreign religions you fucking kill them.

Blogger rekrapt September 08, 2016 2:39 PM  

Vox is great, but the comments are why I love this place. Thanks, everyone, who helped me get my head around the whole Leviticus question.

Blogger Feather Blade September 08, 2016 2:45 PM  

@8 Oh honestly... What happened to "no enemies on the right"?

If you have a problem with Wilson and his opinion of Trump, go comment about it on his site.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 2:47 PM  

@39
Are you prepared to begin paying ( overnight) - 6 times what you're paying now for food ?
Because that is what will happen if a heavy handed/blunt approach, like yours, is implemented.
Nearly every dairy farm in New England (and most other farms for that matter) employ nearly 100 % hispanic ( many illegal) help.
That said, I agree that these people need to go. But it has to be done in a a controlled manner that causes the least disruption to the supply chain, native residents and businessmen. This isn't Jeffersons America - very few people grow their own food and the system in place is extremely fragile.
A good first step is to eliminate govt. subsidized welfare/healthcare etc.. - immediately. Remove all incentives for these people to stay

Blogger Nate September 08, 2016 2:53 PM  

"Are you prepared to begin paying ( overnight) - 6 times what you're paying now for food ?
Because that is what will happen if a heavy handed/blunt approach, like yours, is implemented."

Gross exaggeration.

As always it assumes that there is very little profit taking and the corporations are run on the barest of margins.

As the low oil prices have proven... that's simply not true.

Cost of production could double or triple... and the price could remain the same.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 08, 2016 3:03 PM  

@64 rekrapt
I would like to follow-up, by the way, that "subject to the same laws and same penalties" in real life GUARANTEES that there will be racial disparities in incarceration rates, because foreigners bring their cultural expectations.

For example, in Mexico, the age of consent is like 4 years lower. You better believe they're going to rape children more often.

So, test the cucks on the incarceration rates issue. Almighty Procrustes demands that the incarceration rates be equal. But there is no realistic, sensible way to reach that conclusion in light of the actual facts. Do they think the incarceration rates should be the same because Mexicans stop wanting to fuck children as soon as they cross the border? Then they're stupid. Do they think we should go easy on them out of respect for their cultural differences or "historically oppressed status?" Then they're directly opposed to the impartial justice demanded by Leviticus 24:22 and Leviticus 19:15. Do they think we shouldn't keep them out because it would be wrong to turn them away no matter how many kids get raped? Then they're violating the consequentialist message of 1 Timothy 5, and are also completely fucking evil. "You can't make a beautiful multicultural omelet without letting a few thousand kids get raped." To hell with them.

Blogger Desiderius September 08, 2016 3:05 PM  

Nate,

"Tell them that one of the points of the Good Samaritan parable is that your neighbor is the person who is right in front of your face. All charity is local."

This is not only the crux of the matter, it is the entire thing.

Blogger praetorian September 08, 2016 3:22 PM  

As a Christian, I believe in total depravity and that there is no place for "pride" in humanity.

> christian
> therefore total depravity

Bro...

Blogger John Williams September 08, 2016 3:22 PM  

Look at the parable Jesus told of the 10 Virgins. The 5 who were prepared were called wise & benefitted. The 5 unprepared were called foolish. The ones who'd either worked hard, thought ahead, or were blessed with virgin privilege were under no obligation to help.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 3:30 PM  

@67
It isn't the corporations that take it in the ass, its the producer. They ( loggers, farmers, family owned sawmills ) are operating on the thinnest of margins. Many are on the verge of bankruptcy. The corporations who buy the raw material know this and don't care. Why? Because they rely on the turd world to make up any disruptions in the supply chain.So with this ability to cover their ass in place - prices can double and the consumer dent know the difference. Quality suffers - but hey who gives a shit its only chemicals masquerading as food anyway.
Under the alt-right utopia that many envision - the option for corporations to turn to the turd world to make up raw material shortfalls will be absent. Trade wars will have been implemented and we all know how those go. So the corporations will have to finally pay domestic producers of raw materials their true cost of production. Considering that the raw material costs for a sawmill or pulp mill makes up nearly 45 % of their fixed costs ( food manufacturing is not much different) the costs passed onto the consumer by the manufacturer will be brutal.
Now that its peacetime still - it might make sense to befriend a local farmer - if you haven't done so already.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2016 3:32 PM  

Mountain Man wrote:Are you prepared to begin paying ( overnight) - 6 times what you're paying now for food ?

Because that is what will happen if a heavy handed/blunt approach, like yours, is implemented.

Nearly every dairy farm in New England (and most other farms for that matter) employ nearly 100 % hispanic ( many illegal) help.

That said, I agree that these people need to go. But it has to be done in a a controlled manner that causes the least disruption to the supply chain, native residents and businessmen. This isn't Jeffersons America - very few people grow their own food and the system in place is extremely fragile.


Bullshit. The labor cost of food is negligible. Mostly the cost is transport, finance expenses on machinery loans, taxes, and fuel/water/seed/fertilizer. Labor cost for milk run 12-15 CENTS per gallon Tripling the cost of labor MIGHT increase the cost of a gallon of milk by $0.30 or so.

At the competitive level that's a lot. No-one can afford to pay that much more than anybody else. You'd be out of business in a week. At the purchasing point, it's negligible. That's at $30 an hour. Do you think there would be any shortage of dairy labor at $30/hr?

And dairy is one of the most labor-intensive types of farming. Produce isn't even close. Field crops barely register.

Blogger Matthew September 08, 2016 3:33 PM  

Nate wrote:"Are you prepared to begin paying ( overnight) - 6 times what you're paying now for food ?

Because that is what will happen if a heavy handed/blunt approach, like yours, is implemented."

Gross exaggeration.

As always it assumes that there is very little profit taking and the corporations are run on the barest of margins.


Not to mention that demand will drop.

Anonymous 5343 September 08, 2016 3:34 PM  

"Tell them that one of the points of the Good Samaritan parable is that your neighbor is the person who is right in front of your face. All charity is local."

This is profound. I was at an "elders and workers" conference earlier this year for a particular denominational group, and the plight of Syrian refugees and the ways we could aid them was one of the seminar topics.

I realized I was the only one in a very large room that had been red-pilled. And these are good people, but very much deceived. Being "nice" is always easier than actually being good.

I'm out. Sad but true. All I could think of during the seminar was the bodies I step over on the street corners on my way to work.

Thinking anything but locally is certifiable. Embrace what's in front of your face. There's need everywhere, but your real responsibility before God is right here, now, up close. Not half a world away.

Anonymous Theodore September 08, 2016 3:45 PM  

RE: non-churchian churches in America

well, i'll be at church with mel on sunday. if yall thought he was rad, look into his dad. straight la thug lyfing it over here fellas. the revolution will be televised.




p.s. after further review the call on the field stands. but apparently it wasn't dear voxxy that started in on that 1rish thing a few days back. i went to the only two other fav spots on the intrawebs and they had brought up that dumb shiet too- which was correctly laughed down. i think what pissed me off was that vox is too smart for that midwit tier shiet aka the muh nordics, the muh germanics, the methhead neonazis that just discovered the jq a month ago...all that stupid shiet we are so beyond that now fellas...let's not shoot ourselves in the feet...many of us have worked towards this movement for over a decade.

personally being at the frontline i know for a fact we are dropping in on the fattest raddest wave of our lifetime, and seeing that kind of intellectually obtuse rhetoric from my fav ppls pissed me off- especially since there should be no white on white crossfire. (WHITE IS RIGHT!)

but hey what do i know? i'm just some random celtic-roman-apache/kee that is pure 1000% american posting on a website that was cool before all the noobs started hashtagging #altright.

keep up the good work fellas.

Blogger praetorian September 08, 2016 3:46 PM  

Bullshit. The labor cost of food is negligible.

Labor is a vanishingly small cost in almost everything these days. Much of the right has internalized the globalist position so deeply they can't imagine a world where we give a shit about our workers.

Anonymous beerme September 08, 2016 3:47 PM  

Are you prepared to begin paying ( overnight) - 6 times what you're paying now for food ?
Because that is what will happen if a heavy handed/blunt approach, like yours, is implemented.


The Costs and Benefits of a Raise for Field Workers

every cost estimate that I've seen on illegal agricultural labor is similar to that one. American consumers are getting royally screwed to buy lettuce that Juan and Jose possibly contaminated by shitting in the field.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 3:48 PM  

@73
Try not milking your herd for a day or two and see where that gets you.
Within a week most if not all the cows will develop mastitis, which means they will have to be treated with antibiotics and not milked for the time they are being treated.
At the same time the herd will dry up and no longer produce milk.
The illegals are there for pretty much only one job - thats to milk the cows. Although the pointy headed economists view their labor as an insignificant cost, when you remove their labor from the business - the farm will fold. You can't train a lazy slack jawed millennial how to do this type of work overnight.And literally overnight is all of the time you will have to train someone once the goon squad has come to haul the wetbacks away.
Remove enough farms while at the same time eliminating our ability to import ( after all isolationism will be in vogue) and you are looking at exponential price increases for your food.

Blogger RC September 08, 2016 4:03 PM  

Are you prepared to begin paying ( overnight) - 6 times what you're paying now for food ?
Because that is what will happen if a heavy handed/blunt approach, like yours, is implemented.
Nearly every dairy farm in New England (and most other farms for that matter) employ nearly 100 % hispanic ( many illegal) help.

What did the poor farmers do during Operation Wetback? They survived. Entrepreneurs are creative. But even if they weren't, the price of not picking your own cotton is too high.

Blogger praetorian September 08, 2016 4:06 PM  

You can't train a lazy slack jawed millennial how to do this type of work overnight

Yes, you've clearly internalized the globalist propaganda. But you'd be surprised what white people are capable of if you pay them a living wage. I promise.

As a bonus, you will get to sleep at night since you won't be dumping the the social externalities of your farm equipment on the rest of us.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 4:11 PM  

"What did the poor farmers do during Operation Wetback? They survived. Entrepreneurs are creative. But even if they weren't, the price of not picking your own cotton is too high."

There is a large difference between surviving and producing a surplus for the rest of the masses to survive. I can reckon most people on the internet today don't grow their own food, are friends with anyone who does or have the skills, knowledge and tools to do so in a pinch.
Our food supply here in the USSA has about as much resiliency as a two week old spider web. Minor shocks have the ability to create major repercussions.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 4:12 PM  

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Blogger Robert What? September 08, 2016 4:14 PM  

"the Bible permits slavery"

Except for the occasional sadistic Master, I would say that the vast majority of Blacks were better off under slavery than they are now. As long as the Master was a white Christian.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 4:16 PM  

@81
If you had read my comment more closely - you would see that literally about 10 hrs is all the time you would have to train someone. And no - you can't teach the necessary skills for that in less than 10 hrs - even if you paid them $ 1000 p/hr.
Just for the record- I'm not a farmer but am friends with many who are.
Unless you really like soy lent green you might want to befriend a few yourself

Blogger RC September 08, 2016 4:20 PM  

@MM

Last year a friend who owns a landscaping company had too much work for the H1Bs. He first hired college kids and then, much to his chagrin, hired blacks. He told me though only got about half as much done, but they got it done.

Short of war there will be no interruption in food. Less variety perhaps, but no one will be hungry in the USSA. And please keep in mind we'll be feeding 50M fewer people. In a pinch we can import the food the newly deported will be growing in their homeland. It's the very definition of a win/win.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2016 4:24 PM  

Mountain Man wrote:Try not milking your herd for a day or two and see where that gets you. Within a week most if not all the cows will develop mastitis, which means they will have to be treated with antibiotics and not milked for the time they are being treated.
So, maybe, if you're so vulnerable to disruption, YOU SHOULD STOP HIRING ILLEGAL ALIENS.

At the same time the herd will dry up and no longer produce milk.
So, maybe, if the disruption is too great, you can see it coming and STOP HIRING FUCKING ILLEGAL ALIENS.

The illegals are there for pretty much only one job - thats to milk the cows. Although the pointy headed economists view their labor as an insignificant cost, when you remove their labor from the business - the farm will fold. You can't train a lazy slack jawed millennial how to do this type of work overnight.And literally overnight is all of the time you will have to train someone once the goon squad has come to haul the wetbacks away.
Bullshit. You you can train 80IQ Jose to do the job, you can train 80IQ Jamal or 100IQ Joe, Millenial or not. So, maybe, if the disruption is too great, you can see it coming and STOP HIRING FUCKING ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Remove enough farms while at the same time eliminating our ability to import ( after all isolationism will be in vogue) and you are looking at exponential price increases for your food.
So maybe, if you're that vulnerable to disruption, you should STOP HIRING FUCKING ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Your argument consists entirely of "We've been breaking the law for so long, with such great devotion, that we are now entirely dependent on breaking the law. If you insist on enforcing the law, we will be ruined!"

1) the cows will get milked. Even if the miserous 90-year-old pissant or giant international corporation that owns the dairy has to hire high school kids to get them milked, they'll get milked.
2) maybe some of the miserous 90-year-old pissants need to retire and sell their farms to someone who can do some of the work himself.
3) maybe some of the giant international corporations that are exploiting the current situation could stand a little market realignment as well.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2016 4:34 PM  

Mountain Man wrote:Our food supply here in the USSA has about as much resiliency as a two week old spider web. Minor shocks have the ability to create major repercussions.
Mostly because of the USDA and the corporatization of agriculture. Millions of acres of productive land are going to waste because of the perverse incentives int he Ag business. Right here, withing a mile of me, there are about 1000 acres of medium quality farmland going fallow, or growing Christmas trees or timber, including my own, because the prices of farm commodities are too low and the cost of complying with USDA, state and county mandates and regulations is too high for farming to provide a living. I farmed for 8 years, and would go back in a heartbeat if I could make a living at it.

That said, you're completely wrong about the net effect. It would be basically a high-colonic for the ag business.

Anonymous johnc September 08, 2016 4:35 PM  

Not sure how that guy tried to play off the story of Nathan coming to David as some kind of moral on immigration. He was definitely "wrenching" that out of context.

Christianity and immigration is really a clear-cut issue when one accepts that Jesus is sovereign king of the nation. We don't understand that concept in the West anymore. We want to be open to every crazy foreign idea and religion and tolerate every error under the sun; and as such we put Our Lord on the same level as any other guru out there and the Holy Faith as just another religion or whatever. BTW have I mentioned lately that He's extraordinarily pissed with us because we treat Him so miserably? I feel like it's been more than 48 hours since bringing it up.

Blogger Jed Mask September 08, 2016 4:36 PM  

Hmmm... Well, God's Kingdom in Heaven is gonna be comprised of many different nations of people; so yeah, a Christian from his/her birth nation is in effect a "nationalist".

The apostle Paul (birth name "Saul") was a Jew born in Tarsus of Cilicia under the Roman Empire so although Paul was Jewish in bloodline heritage he was born under the Roman nation; a Roman citizen.

KJV Acts 21:39, But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.

_______________

Paul was close to his fellow Jewish people but he also realized his ties to Rome growing up. No wonder how God used the apostle Paul's upbringing to spread His Gospel (KJV 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) to the Gentiles Paul knew his whole life growing up.

I'm a young black Christian American man born in the United States of America. I am a Christian FIRST an American SECOND and so I strive to be a great Christian example among my nation's people I'm born into. A nationalist in this regard.

If I was born in Israel I would be a Christian Israeli nationalist or wherever I was born. It's all predetermined by God. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Anonymous johnc September 08, 2016 4:42 PM  

Ultimately Churchianity isn't the driver of immigration. Importing foreigners is almost completely a business venture.

It's not the politicians or the SJWs or the churches sailing America down the river, it's the businesses -- including small businesses, which tend to be some of the worse violators. All the other people (politicians, Churchians, etc.) are simply collaborators and useful vehicles.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 4:55 PM  

Snidely
What did you farm/grow?
Have you ever heard of Joel Salatin. Ive read a few of his books. He's a very successful farmer that touches quite a bit on what you say about the USDA etc..
His insights on what to do to fix the problems and the root causes are very insightful. He also lives it versus just gas bagging about it.
You might like his books

Blogger Escoffier September 08, 2016 4:57 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:Christianity is not a culture nor does it replace or erase cultures. It is a redeemer of cultures.

This is why it is correct to help Syrian Christians in Syria; not bring them here.


Well said!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2016 4:58 PM  

Mountain Man wrote:What did you farm/grow?
Handspinning wool, lambs. mutton, flowers & greens for farmer's markets.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 5:16 PM  

Very interesting. Have you ever thought of starting a blog strictly devoted to sheep/lamb husbandry.? Maybe even writing a book on it.?
To the best of my knowledge there doesn't appear to be anything out there devoted to this topic/animal. Theres a lot out there about chickens, beef etc.. but not lambs
My wife is interested in having us get some and mentioned that finding resources on the topic is tough

Blogger VD September 08, 2016 5:23 PM  

Why is pre-1965 demographics the absolute mandate?

Because that was the guarantee.

Blogger Escoffier September 08, 2016 5:31 PM  

Unless you take into account the Johnson-Reed act of 1924 which made the same damn promises which were broken or ignored just as quickly. Immigration related lying is a long standing American tradition.

Blogger Escoffier September 08, 2016 5:33 PM  

Mountain Man my position is simple if your farmer buddies in any way promoted illegal immigration they are entirely welcome to A.) kiss my ass and B.) figure it the fuck out as the consequences of their poor decision making catch up with them.

Also, you really have drunk the globalist kool-aid, perhaps you should see to that?

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 5:37 PM  

@98
Said with your belly full of course.

Blogger Escoffier September 08, 2016 5:41 PM  

Mountain Man are you under the impression that yours is the reasonable position here?

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 5:53 PM  

The only one doing the assuming is yourself.
You assumed Im some sort of globalist kool aid drinker. You also assumed that I believe my position is reasonable.
Quite frankly - couldn't care less if its reasonable or not. I'm just reporting the potential effects that could result from hasty rash moves.
For every cause there is an effect. No matter how right and wonderful the cause may be.
The tough guy act about farmers kissing your ass is just that - an act. When your belly is grumbling and your wife and kids look at you with sad woeful eyes Im sure you would suddenly try to be best friends with the farmer up the road who a scant 10 years ago was hiring illegal mexicans.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2016 6:04 PM  

We’ll assume it is possible for the sake of discussion, but can we all agree that it will be very difficult and expensive to deport them all, and the benefits of deporting all 11 million are likely to be lower than the costs?


The benefits would be not that obvious, they would be distributed, and in many cases would be "negative benefits". That is, in a town where Hispanic colonists left, there would be fewer deaths due to drunken driving accidents, there would be fewer cases of the sexual molestation of children, there would be lower petty crime. None of these things would show up on the Wall Street Journal editorial page.

Positive benefits, like more jobs for teens and other unskilled labor, would also not really show up as much.

Social cohesion isn't easily measured, but in the Putnam sense there would be fewer people bowling alone in a more homogeneous town.

Yeah, the benefits clearly outweigh the cost, but they can't easily be quantified in GNP terms. With all due respect to Dr. Pournelle, and i respect him far more than I can easily say, he's just human and can be wrong. In this case, he's wrong.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2016 6:20 PM  

Mountain Man wrote:Very interesting. Have you ever thought of starting a blog strictly devoted to sheep/lamb husbandry.? Maybe even writing a book on it.?I'm hardly an expert. I'll put a thing or two up on one of my deservedly neglected blogs and let you know.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 08, 2016 6:47 PM  

"You can't train a lazy slack jawed millennial how to do this type of work overnight"

Plus, if forced to pay living wages to Americans, Farmer Joe and his family will have to go two years between buying every family member a new dually four door pick up instead of buying a new one every year. Can't have that.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 08, 2016 7:00 PM  

Drose wrote:Aeoli Pera September 08, 2016 11:50 AM

American Churchianity traces back to Norman Vincent Peale and the original "reality-based community" of occultists in New England.

I think this link is broken


It's a secret code...written by a mastermind...

God almighty am I dumb. The dumbest.

Here's a working link. I mean a decrypted code. Check out my hacker skillz.

INTERNETZ can you handle it bro

No man sometimes its too much

Blogger Ingot9455 September 08, 2016 7:00 PM  

Just to re-echo, the lesson of Broken Windows Policing is that 5% real enforcement gets 95% results.

Operation Wetback confirmed it. A little less than 500,000 illegal immigrants really deported, 4,500,000 departed on their own.

Really rounding up every illegal immigrant who committed a crime, went to jail, and then was set free in the US instead of being deported immediately will have an incredible effect. Cutting off visas to every country who refuses to take back their illegal emigres who committed crimes in the US will have an incredible effect.

All one has to do is do it for real.

Someone with more legal knowledge can correct me if I'm wrong, but Googling tells me the immigration courts are under the Executive Office for Immigration Review which is under the Department of the Justice which is in the Executive branch.

That means the President and the Attorney General set immigration court policy with the stroke of a pen. As long as they are inside the actual immigration law, which is incredibly harsh but never followed, they are golden. And they can fire immigration court judges who don't follow given policy.

Blogger Elder Son September 08, 2016 7:56 PM  

https://twitter.com/TrumpHat/status/704126359883358208

Blogger rcocean September 08, 2016 8:12 PM  

Honestly, every conversation on illegal immigration goes like this:

- Hey, we need to stop illegal immigration
- What?! How can deport 11 million?
- Well, lets stop the illegal coming in.
- What?! How we can deport 11 million?
- Well, let build a wall...
- What?! How can we deport 11 million?

Blogger dienw September 08, 2016 8:13 PM  

Chris Mallory wrote:"You can't train a lazy slack jawed millennial how to do this type of work overnight"

Plus, if forced to pay living wages to Americans, Farmer Joe and his family will have to go two years between buying every family member a new dually four door pick up instead of buying a new one every year. Can't have that.

Hell, Farmer Joe will have to forgo leaving his band new John Deere tractor rotting out in the field.

Blogger rcocean September 08, 2016 8:16 PM  

As for the Bible and Slavery. No major religion banned Slavery. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shinto, Hindu, etc.

Jesus never says a word against it. Nor does he attack capital punishment, war, or being a soldier.

Blogger rcocean September 08, 2016 8:17 PM  

As for the Bible and Slavery. No major religion banned Slavery. Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Shinto, Hindu, etc.

Jesus never says a word against it. Nor does he attack capital punishment, war, or being a soldier.

Blogger rcocean September 08, 2016 8:17 PM  

Honestly, every conversation on illegal immigration goes like this:

- Hey, we need to stop illegal immigration
- What?! How can deport 11 million?
- Well, lets stop the illegal coming in.
- What?! How we can deport 11 million?
- Well, let build a wall...
- What?! How can we deport 11 million?

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 08, 2016 8:24 PM  

Extract the pronciples because those laws apply only to Israel and only when Israel's laws are the Laws of Moses.
Today's Israel does not qualify. Today's Israel is just another godless government.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 08, 2016 8:25 PM  

tsk tsk tsk

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 08, 2016 8:30 PM  

Missing the key word ... FOREIGNER.
Love them, treat them with respect (the law aviding ones) but remember that they are still foreigners.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 08, 2016 8:38 PM  

The Bible does not authorize anyone to impose the cost of taking care of the neighbor on someone else. To do so is called usurpation and we are to oppose usurpations in our sphere of authority.

Blogger Abyssus Invocat September 08, 2016 8:46 PM  

People who say it will be too difficult or expensive to deport 11 million illegals should remember Philip III. In 1609, without benefit of technology, Spain expelled 300,000 Muslims. That was about 4% of Spain's population at the time or the equivalent deporting about 13 million from the US. I think it can be done.

Blogger Mountain Man September 08, 2016 8:56 PM  

@104
I don't know of one dairy, vegetable or beef farmer in my neck of New England who has a brand new dually. But I do know of plenty who have 30 year old tractors and bailers held together with twine and good old yankee ingenuity.
Your words speak volumes of your ignorance. When famine sweeps our land ( which it will ) your type will be the first to starve.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 08, 2016 9:02 PM  

@16 Difster
It is one thing to love your enemy and pray for those that persecute you. It is quite another to invite your enemy in to your home and hand him the knife he will use to slit your throat while you sleep.
---

I have a vague memory of one of the old testament kings who invited some foreigners in to see everything in their kingdom. Then the foreigners went home, and came back with a ton of their like and looted the kingdom.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 08, 2016 9:20 PM  

@42 Nate
"You just target the businesses that employ them."

its easier than that.

You simply introduce a very real cost to getting caught breaking the law.

As soon as there is a real cost to breaking that law... the vast majority will self deport.
---

They disappear into the night as soon as they even think there will be consequences.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 08, 2016 9:21 PM  

Sometimes loving your enemy means realizing the salutary effect that killing a few has por encourageur les autres.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 08, 2016 9:23 PM  

@43 mushroom
Azimus wrote:

In terms of Christianity, this means that a person who abides in Christ is accepted in Christ. They are part of the Body of Christ. That doesn't mean they are part of a given culture or nation.
---

Isn't there also some verses about the body of Christ, and how a hand is not a foot? It would seem that might apply here as well.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 08, 2016 9:29 PM  

@49 rekrapt
I get this thrown at me a lot by Churchians and I'm never really sure how to respond: Leviticus 19:33-34...

"When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
---

Ask them when was the last time they were a foreigner in Egypt.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 08, 2016 9:32 PM  

@55 Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen
The Federal government can't afford a deportation pogrom.
---

$500 a head per illegal, DOA.

Then those guys who are catching them can deliver them to the undertakers or the transport guys. Those guys can make some money delivering their goods to the grave or the military base that will drop the illegals off into the depths of Mexico or wherever.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 08, 2016 9:33 PM  

Err, By that I meant dead or alive.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 08, 2016 9:36 PM  

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Blogger JaimeInTexas September 08, 2016 9:40 PM  

The Bible expicitly prohibits man-hunting. The Bible also condemns Israel's wars not authorized by God, through His prophets. Any captured soldier turned into slave falls under the man-hunting definition.
So, Biblically, not all types of slavery are permitted and slavery, generally, is not viewed as a good thing.

Blogger praetorian September 08, 2016 9:56 PM  

Your words speak volumes of your ignorance. When famine sweeps our land ( which it will ) your type will be the first to starve.

Them sturdy yankee farmers need beaners to milk their cows?

It's worse than we thought, fam.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 08, 2016 10:02 PM  

All this talk about growing food.

It's very easy to buy a couple of David the Good's books, and give it a shot.

Blogger Feather Blade September 08, 2016 10:43 PM  

@104 , @109 Joke for you:

Once there was a farmer who won a million dollars in the lottery.

The reporter who interviewed him asked him what he would do with his winnings.

The farmer thought for a minute and said "Well, I suppose I'll just keep farming until it's all gone."

...................

It's been a long time since the landowning farmer was the wealthy man on the block.

Anonymous Passinthough September 08, 2016 10:55 PM  

Farm labor gate way for illegal immigration. Forty years ago, farmers hired high school students for farm labor. Students picked the fruit, hoed the beans and beets milked the cows, hauled the hay etc. Jose showed up willing to work. Farmer hired Jose because he didn't have to return to school and could work all season. Jose told Farmer about his cousin Manuel who needed a job. Pretty soon cousin Manuel had all the ag jobs and the students forgot how to work. To say nothing of parents demanding that their precious snowflake be paid $25/hour to do $10/hour work. If we send all the illegals home the market for robotic milkers will take off. Some enterprising individual will open ag academies to teach inner city kids to do farm labor. There will be openings for sheepherders in west. If any of the ilk want to get away from it all and live simply out in the wilderness and get paid for it, I recommend sheep herding out west.

Blogger praetorian September 08, 2016 11:40 PM  

If we send all the illegals home the market for robotic milkers will take off.

During the Manhattan Project 2.0, where we hire the smartest jews money can buy to figure out what sort of science fiction technology will be necessary to make it possible for whites to secure milk from cows, in order to head off the widespread starvation, I have a modest proposal.

About Jose...

Blogger Anonymous-9 September 09, 2016 12:04 AM  

Am I the only real farmhand here? (Okay, ex-farmhand) Cows haven't been milked by hand in 50 years. That's what milking machines are for.

Blogger Mark Butterworth September 09, 2016 12:13 AM  

My ancestor, John Butterworth, lived in Rehoboth with his family until he and his friends were fined 5 pounds each for being Baptists and worshipping in a home church. They moved to Swansea and created a new township with their own rules:

taken out of the Court Records at Plymouth, Nath'l Clark. And above Entrys hereof by Wilham Ingraham, Town Clerk.

"Whereas, Capt. Thomas Willett, shortly after the grant of this town- ship, made three following proposals unto those who were with him, by the Court of Plymouth, empowered for the admission of inhabitants, and of granting lots, viz:

"1. That no erroneous person be admitted into the township as an inhabitant or sojourner.

"2. That no man of any evill behaviour or contentious person to be admitted.

"3. That none may be admitted that may become a charge to the place.

***

1) relates to religious manners and behavior. An erroneous person was someone who disputed their doctrines of faith in any way. 2) rates a man evil for being contentious, disagreeable, hard to get along with even if they're believers.

3) refers to anyone unable to provide for themselves, who come seeking charity and to be cared for, rather than denying care to a member who has fallen in misfortune by accident, illness, or event.

***

Swansea was the first town to feel the wrath of King Philip and lost many men (heads set on pikes the militia found in pursuit of the Indians vanishing into the swamps).

***

Thus, the first colonists had no use for disagreeable people (and dissenters), nor for free loaders, free riders, and rent seekers.

Blogger JCclimber September 09, 2016 12:18 AM  

I believe we could make do with a significant loss of milk production for awhile.
Quit making so much milk chocolate, government cheese, and quit dumping milk that reaches its expiration date....

And maybe people could start eating some fruit and vegetables that didn't look absolutely flawless, if they were fucking hungry enough....

We'd get by. And probably would lose some of that obesity problem along the way.

Suck it up, cupcake. Your attitude of "we're trapped, we have to keep paying the tribute to the mafia/pirates or else" is very sad.

Blogger praetorian September 09, 2016 12:21 AM  

Am I the only real farmhand here? (Okay, ex-farmhand) Cows haven't been milked by hand in 50 years. That's what milking machines are for.

Dammit.

Can we still eat the Mexicans?

Blogger Thordaddy September 09, 2016 2:31 AM  

Just wait until it dawns on the dull mass and decks the "default elite" that a resurgence of white Christianity is the resurgence of genuine wS and that the REAL white Christian JUST IS a genuine wS.

Blogger SciVo September 09, 2016 4:28 AM  

praetorian wrote:Can we still eat the Mexicans?

No. We don't know where they've been.

Thordaddy wrote:Just wait until it dawns on the dull mass and decks the "default elite" that a resurgence of white Christianity is the resurgence of genuine wS and that the REAL white Christian JUST IS a genuine wS.

No. We can't wait that long.

Anonymous-9 wrote:Am I the only real farmhand here? (Okay, ex-farmhand) Cows haven't been milked by hand in 50 years. That's what milking machines are for.

No. Even I know that. So what?

Passinthough wrote:Forty years ago, farmers hired high school students for farm labor.

You're off by a decade. I picked strawberries thirty years ago. Though admittedly, it was already hard to compete with senoras that were totally dedicated to the task. It's great for the farmers that they have workers who think the deal is amazeballs.

OpenID bc64a9f8-765e-11e3-8683-000bcdcb2996 September 09, 2016 9:23 AM  

Matthew 6:24
Luke 16:13
CaptDMO 9/16

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