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Saturday, September 17, 2016

Germans demand a solution

Albeit not a Final one, yet. The Governor of Bavaria and head of the CSU party has issued something of an ultimatum to Angela Merkel:
Ever since German Chancellor Angela Merkel opened up the country's borders to refugees in early September of 2015, Horst Seehofer has been using every opportunity at his disposal to voice his disagreement. As head of the Christian Social Union (CSU) party, he is not someone who can easily be shrugged off. The CSU is the Bavarian sister party to Merkel's Christian Democratic Union (CDU). The two parties, which collectively are known simply as the "union," have a long tradition of campaigning together ahead of general elections and of divvying up cabinet posts should the center-right end up in government, which, for the last 12 years, it has. The CSU has no chapters in any other state while the CDU has no state chapter in Bavaria.

As the rift has widened, Seehofer has begun calling that long partnership into question, even raising the possibility that his party might campaign on its own ahead of next year's parliamentary elections and put up a CSU chancellor candidate. To avoid that eventuality, he is demanding that Merkel take clear steps toward reversing her immigration policies and adopting a ceiling on the number of refugees Germany is willing to take in, a step Merkel has refused to take, citing potential inconsistencies with the German constitution. Last week, the CSU released a paper, called "Germany Must Remain Germany," outlining steps it would like to see taken, including the abolishment of dual citizenship and a preference for migrants from the "Christian-Western culture."

SPIEGEL: We have examined dozens of interviews that you have given in recent months. You talk a lot about refugee policy, but one thing is constantly left ambiguous, perhaps intentionally. What concrete steps does Angela Merkel have to take before you will say: "Okay, now we'll back off?"

Seehofer: We want a solution to the immigration problem. To do that, we first need a ceiling. We don't want unlimited immigration like we saw last year and that's why we need binding measures as a guarantee. When announcements are made that we are combatting the root causes of flight, then they must be combined with concrete measures. When it is said that those who don't have a right to asylum will be sent back, then we together with the federal government must enact a detailed, binding repatriation program. We want a clear system of rules that clearly and credibly reduces immigration to a reasonable level.

SPIEGEL: So you are sticking to your demand for a hard ceiling of 200,000 immigrants per year despite its potential inconsistencies with the guaranteed fundamental right to asylum?

Seehofer: Yes. We want a policy that safeguards this ceiling. We also, by the way, already changed the constitution to make this possible 23 years ago. With the support of all parties. Our constitution does not require us to take everybody who appears at our borders and demands asylum. And when someone comes from a safe country of origin, we can immediately repatriate them. The ceiling will work and it is consistent with the constitution.

SPIEGEL: The chancellor and several other CDU politicians have repeatedly insisted that they will not accept a ceiling. If the approval of such a ceiling is the prerequisite for an agreement, then there won't be any agreement.

Seehofer: We'll see. We will not back away from the 200,000 ceiling. It's about our credibility, plain and simple.

SPIEGEL: Given that anything seems possible at this point, is a situation conceivable whereby the CDU enters the campaign with Merkel as its candidate for chancellor and the CSU says: We won't support her?

Seehofer: We as a party will make personnel decisions in the first quarter of 2017. German history is full of serious mistakes pertaining to premature personnel decisions.

SPIEGEL: Last weekend, CSU leaders presented a paper containing the party's refugee policy demands and it is full of odd sentences. Such as this one: "We are opposed to our cosmopolitan country being changed by immigration or refugee flows." How cosmopolitan can a country be if it doesn't want to be changed by immigration?

Seehofer: The paper's title is: "Germany Must Remain Germany." The chancellor has used almost the exact same formulation. When she says it, it's considered liberal and future oriented. When we say it, it's seen as reactionary and backwards.

SPIEGEL: Merkel never said that immigration cannot be allowed to change the country.

Seehofer: Look, Bavaria is a dynamic, cosmopolitan state. Those who don't adapt fall behind. But we need ground rules. In every governmental speech I give before state parliament, I say: Bavaria will remain Bavaria. That's not a contradiction.

SPIEGEL: Another question about your paper: In rejecting dual citizenship, the paper says that it is impossible to "serve two masters." We always thought that it wasn't citizens who served their state, but the other way around.

Seehofer: You aren't asking why we are opposed to dual citizenship. Instead, you are quibbling over locution. The sentence is true and completely okay. I am allergic to this paternalism and censorship.
I thought it was particularly interesting that DER SPIEGEL was particularly interested in undermining the CSU demand for banning dual citizenship. Dual citizenship is one of the least defensible aspects of globalism, so it is something of a weak link that nationalists will do well to attack.

Notice that despite the headlines and the various outrages, the German establishment is considerably to the right of the the American establishment on immigration. Seehofer is openly saying things even Donald Trump wouldn't dare, and he's not only an elected politician, he's one of the most powerful men in the country. And he's a moderate compared to AfD.

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42 Comments:

Anonymous Icicle September 17, 2016 6:12 AM  

This should end well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcY0ghee5Sc

A preview of upcoming attractions.

Blogger residentMoron September 17, 2016 6:24 AM  

@1

Not the Nine O'Clock News did a gag in the 80's about Idi Amin dragging Uganda into the 20th Century with the purchase of a microwave oven.

That seats 13.

It's always a good idea to upset the Germans. Nothing bad's ever happened as a result of that, has it?

Blogger Franz Lionheart September 17, 2016 6:32 AM  

Seen offer is spineless and always has been. That's just right sounding noise coming from him. The reason for his new policies and rhetoric is clear : The success of the AFD. If he succeeds in keeping AFD small in Bavaria (he won't), then after the next election, he will go back to business as usual.

Blogger Franz Lionheart September 17, 2016 6:32 AM  

Ugh, CrApple autocorrect: * Seehofer is spineless...

Anonymous Garrulus September 17, 2016 6:39 AM  

200 k per year is still suicide.
seehofer is a traitor like the rest

Anonymous Icicle September 17, 2016 6:40 AM  

It's not going to be business as usual. At all. The 20th century is over.

Blogger VD September 17, 2016 6:44 AM  

The reason for his new policies and rhetoric is clear : The success of the AFD.

He may be. But don't we WANT politicians to be responsive to the people's demands in a democracy? Seehofer has not supported Merkel's "welcome refugees" policy from the start. If he gets rid of dual-citizenship, puts a hard limit on immigration, and adds a structural bias towards Christians, that's hardly nothing.

Blogger Franz Lionheart September 17, 2016 6:55 AM  

I know it won't be. But it's not going to be because of Seehofer. He just recently jumped on the bandwagon. In case there were another, even diametrically opposed bandwagon, he's be on that in no time.

Every voter in Bavaria who would like those policies implemented, as outlined by Seehofer, and voted CSU, will be disappointed. Every such voter still must vote AFD.

The German people are, mostly, well aware of this.

Blogger Franz Lionheart September 17, 2016 6:58 AM  

If he gets rid of dual-citizenship, puts a hard limit on immigration, and adds a structural bias towards Christians

I support all of this. I have nil trust that Seehofer, once safely elected again, will actually follow through. Only a stronger AFD in Bavaria's Landtag (state parliament), and grabbing a good portion of Bavaria's federal representatives, will guarantee that Seehofer stays on target.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 17, 2016 6:59 AM  

OT:
What will be the effect of handoff from NTIA to ICANN in October? What's to prevent ICANN from suspending current domain names and/or IP addresses of which they disapprove, then reassigning them to PC alternatives?

I don't see a neutral aspect about this whole thing, and I think somebody who has a whole lot more internet expertise than me, to start thinking about alternatives and workarounds.

Blogger Stilicho September 17, 2016 6:59 AM  

Make America American Again!

Blogger VD September 17, 2016 7:01 AM  

Every such voter still must vote AFD.

I don't disagree. But it's still useful to see which politicians are responsive to public mood, like Seehoffer, and which are not, such as Merkel.

Anonymous Philipp September 17, 2016 7:02 AM  

Speaking of the AfD, her leader, Frauke Petry, gave an interview some days ago to the German newspapwer Welt am Sonntag.

Her positions are the repatriation of all illegal migrants and returning all migrants who are in distress at sea to North Africa.

She also pointed out that she expects things to get worse the more young men from North Africa are coming to Germany and that the AfD does not want civil war. The AfD is the party of social peace, she stressed.

Blogger Franz Lionheart September 17, 2016 7:06 AM  

But don't we WANT politicians to be responsive to the people's demands in a democracy?

I'm not sure about that. Alternatively, I'd rather want politicians who stand for one clear programme, and who are NOT chasing the latest fashion. And if the people disagree, they elect somebody else.

Be that as it may, Seehofer has in the past not often chased the public opinion so much as the published opinion. This is now faltering in Germany as much as everywhere else; or even especially in Germany (cf. media lies about Cologne, until the truth really could no longer be suppressed).

The frequency of Seehofer's changes of opinion in the past have been stunning, even for a politician. I'll vote AFD for sure (having been a lifelong CSU supporter until just before the last election).

Blogger #7139 September 17, 2016 7:08 AM  

Albeit not a Final one, yet. ...
Give them one more year, Vox. Just one more year.

Anonymous Supertankers of Deplorable Spartacus September 17, 2016 7:11 AM  

Icicle wrote:A preview of upcoming attractions.

Please correct if mistaken: The phrase "final solution" was coined by proto-Zionist Theodore Herzl back in the 1890's to address the jewish question, what to do with the Jews. His answer was a separate homeland for the Jews, in some place like Madagascar. This was about the same time the six-million meme got started.

SPIEGEL: ...potential inconsistencies with the guaranteed fundamental right to asylum?

Who, whom? Who is guaranteed the right to asylum? Who is the Guarantor of this alleged right? By the same standard, aren't Germans guaranteed the right to asylum in their own country? Aren't Americans as well? Because potential inconsistencies.

Blogger Franz Lionheart September 17, 2016 7:11 AM  

But it's still useful to see which politicians are responsive to public mood, like Seehoffer, and which are not, such as Merkel.

Which is so odd. Because she has been quite flexible on policy opinion in the past .... as long as she herself remained in government. Except on this immigrant topic, she stubbornly declares "Wir schaffen das" (without ever specifying who the "we" in that case actually is ... She the government? We the people? Who, actually?).

Merkel muss weg.

Blogger Student in Blue September 17, 2016 7:56 AM  

Merkel muss weg.

She must've been promised a nice, shiny position in the "inevitable" United States of Europe.

Anonymous gxg September 17, 2016 8:09 AM  

Merkel had her phone hacked by the U.S. a few years ago. It's not hard to imagine Obama & the globalists blackmailing her into compliance, or exerting other kinds of pressure (financial, UN/military, etc.)

If that's the case, it poses an interesting question: What might change under a Trump presidency? For example, what if pressure from the Obama administration is driving some of these suicidal German/EU policies? If that pressure disappears, could we see a sudden reversal of EU policies when Trump takes office?

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 17, 2016 8:37 AM  

VD at 9/17/2016 06:07:00 AM:
Duel citizenship is one of the least defensible aspects of globalism...

The Dark Lord amuses.

Anonymous Bowman September 17, 2016 9:13 AM  

"We always thought that it wasn't citizens who served their state, but the other way around."
Leftist's hypocrisy has no bounds.
Adequate response would have be : "Indeed, taxation is theft".
And watch him either have a blank stare or do a 180 and defend the god State.

Blogger Cecil Henry September 17, 2016 9:13 AM  

200,000? Not the answer.

Zero is the answer, and repatriation, THEN an explicit recognition of the racial interests of ethnic Germans (gasp) just like an other ethnic group in their nation and the right to continued unmitigated existence.

White GEnocide is a crime, NOT a policy option.

Blogger Bard September 17, 2016 9:24 AM  

How arbitrary are these numbers statistically? 200,000k/yr still seems quite high to me. That is a lot of angry foreign people and 200k every year still adds up quick to impact your culture.

Blogger Rick September 17, 2016 9:25 AM  

Taking a lesson from Trump, I say, when the 200,000 ceiling is rejected, the response should be: Now our offer is 150,000.

Blogger Bard September 17, 2016 9:25 AM  

How arbitrary are these numbers statistically? 200,000k/yr still seems quite high to me. That is a lot of angry foreign people and 200k every year still adds up quick to impact your culture.

Anonymous Bowman September 17, 2016 9:33 AM  

Cecil Henry wrote:200,000? Not the answer.

Zero is the answer

Precisely.
The solution is not some number, it's a message : YOU ARE NOT WELCOME.
Until then, bye Germany.

Anonymous User September 17, 2016 10:29 AM  

When the Germans finally snap it's going to be epic. They are people who will give you the stink eye for jaywalking. These invaders and the elites who enable them have no respect for the rules and Germans have no respect for those with no respect for the rules. They may actually show some leniency to the foreigners on account of they're savages, but the traitors of the people will receive no such forbearance.

Blogger Augustus Octavian September 17, 2016 11:19 AM  

@11

Vox, you really shouldn't overstimate the "responsiveness" of Seehofer and the CSU. They have a three decade history of being the safety valve for nationalist sentiment. Their designated role is being the bad cop to the CDUs more globalist good cop routine.

Anonymous 5343 September 17, 2016 11:28 AM  

They have a three decade history of being the safety valve for nationalist sentiment.

German cuckservatives!

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 17, 2016 11:41 AM  

"There is a class of people (in the South), men women and children, who must be killed or banished before you can hope for peace and order."
William T. Sherman
Order #11

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 17, 2016 11:53 AM  

William T. Sherman

letter to his wife:
"Extermination, not of soldiers alone, that is the least part of the trouble, but the [Southern] people."

letter to Commanding General Ulysses S. Grant: "We must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children. Nothing else will reach the root of this case."

in 1876 he wrote:
"I think our interest is to favor the undertaking of the Road, as it will help bring the Indian problem to a final solution."

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 17, 2016 11:56 AM  

Was Hitler inspired by these uSA handling of the indians?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/01/thomas-dilorenzo/was-hitler-inspired-by-lincolns-army/

Blogger rcocean September 17, 2016 12:24 PM  

Sherman's Army never killed a single civilian while under orders. Nor did the US Army in the 1870s "exterminate" Native Americans. Sherman loved to exaggerate, in order to make a point.

Blogger rcocean September 17, 2016 12:26 PM  

Southerners have been crying about Sherman's march for 150 years, but whenever asked to provide names, dates, and places of dead civilians or raped women - they can't do it. Its not even clear who burned Columbia.

Blogger rcocean September 17, 2016 12:28 PM  

We could probably get a sensible immigration policy tomorrow, if everyone would stop crying about their Irish Grandma who came through Ellis Island in 1895.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 17, 2016 1:02 PM  

Franz Lionheart wrote:Alternatively, I'd rather want politicians who stand for one clear programme, and who are NOT chasing the latest fashion. And if the people disagree, they elect somebody else.

And we all love skittles from the assholes of Unicorns, but there aren't many of them either.

Anonymous BGKB September 17, 2016 1:17 PM  

How cosmopolitan can a country be if it doesn't want to be changed by immigration?

Black and brown people shitting in the streets has been decriminalized in cosmopolitan NYC & SAN FRAN

but whenever asked to provide names, dates, and places of dead civilians or raped women - they can't do it.

Please provide names for all the conscripted Irishmen the North threw at the war to use up the South's bullets.

Anonymous andon September 17, 2016 2:01 PM  

18. Anonymous gxg September 17, 2016 8:09 AM
Merkel had her phone hacked by the U.S. a few years ago. It's not hard to imagine Obama & the globalists blackmailing her into compliance, or exerting other kinds of pressure (financial, UN/military, etc.)

If that's the case, it poses an interesting question: What might change under a Trump presidency? For example, what if pressure from the Obama administration is driving some of these suicidal German/EU policies? If that pressure disappears, could we see a sudden reversal of EU policies when Trump takes office?


these are my suspicions too except that with CIA and NSA and whatever else at current occupant's disposal its prob not just her cellphone that is vulnerable to giving away blackmailable evidence.

Anonymous Roginald September 17, 2016 2:05 PM  

Europe still has time to end their immigration problem. They aren't as far gone as us, but they soon will be. They need to act now and in a big way.

Anonymous Discard September 17, 2016 4:46 PM  

21. Cecil Henry: Agreed. Zero tolerance. The problem will only grow, no matter how few they are. Haven't we all seen this grow from nothing to civilization-threatening? No half-breeds either. The Muzzie-fuckers and their kids can go to Islamabad too.

Blogger Daniel September 17, 2016 10:46 PM  

Interesting question

Blogger Bibliotheca Servare September 18, 2016 3:29 AM  

Makes me think of "When the Saxon Begins to Hate"... *shudder* I hope to God that it doesn't get that far, but I'm afraid it's already too late.

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