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Tuesday, September 20, 2016

Milo crushes it in Houston



"This room is a vision of what America should look like in 20 years."


What concerned members of the Alt-White branch of the Alt-Right really need to keep in mind is that attempting to criticize or control Milo is like trying to criticize or control a Category V Hurricane. It is not even wrong, or misguided, it is simply a category error. One cannot leash a force of nature.

Richard Spencer is correct to say that Milo is Alt-Lite, not Alt-Right. But that's just fine. And keep in mind that the whole force of the mainstream media's hatred only made him stronger, so what do you think adding your weight to the collective disapproval of him is going to accomplish. Milo listens to no one but his friends and allies. If you wish to have any influence on him at all, you had better learn to appreciate him and bring something to the table besides criticism and disapproval.

Entryism is always a legitimate concern. But the only way the Alt-Right will become irrelevant is if it succumbs to the tendency of its Alt-White spergs to purity-spiral into their own navels, in which case it will be entirely replaced by the Alt-Lite. However, I think this is unlikely because the Alt-West branch is considerably less prone to purity spirals and welcomes the training grounds offered by the Alt-Lite.

However, I am done trying to talk sense into Alt-Whites who are paranoid about those they deem "e-celebs" and determined to make neither friends nor allies of anyone who is not 100 percent white and does not buy 100 percent into whatever it is that they believe. They are irrelevant and we need not concern ourselves with them. To the extent they trouble to shoot at the Left instead of demonstrating their purity by aiming at us, they are useful, and that is sufficient reason to ignore their occasional attacks directed our way.

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Anonymous Rather, Not September 20, 2016 8:18 AM  

Given how easily and quickly Pepe has been declared racist/WN and outside the pale by the likes of Mensch, would it be rhetorically worthwhile to start corrupting the leftists memes/symbols with WN imagery? Not only build our memes, but destroy their memes.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2016 8:18 AM  

Tut tut. White Euro American Trump isn't a true constitutional conservative like Cuban-Canadian Cruz nor a propositional compassionate conservative like Yeb! Or Marco...so he'll never go anywhere either.

Entryism is to "entryist cop" as "home invader" is to "gun control activist."

I know you think you are helping, but...

Blogger Mr. Naron September 20, 2016 8:20 AM  

Is Milo right? Is the alt-right a CONSERVATIVE/libertarian populist movement?

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2016 8:21 AM  

Rather, Not, the answer to your question is "No."

Blogger dc.sunsets September 20, 2016 8:22 AM  

The Alt-Right is a loose political label, not a political party. If someone wants to organize their own version, put their name on it and even organize it into a card-carrying political party, Go For It.

No one "owns" leftism. People, organizations and political parties just overlap more or less with what we largely think of as leftist attributes. This is why cuckservativism (the Bush/Paul Ryan GOP) and Conservative, Inc. look like leftists to us.

No one can "own" Alt-Right. You hew closer or further, and no one can state with authority who is or isn't "more Alt-Right than thou," but the need to establish boundaries and purity tests is a tactic of the discredit-disown brigade.

The Alt-Right is basically defined by being the opposite of the left. That leaves a heck of a large tent.

Blogger Cerdic Ricing September 20, 2016 8:26 AM  

Milo serves a very important purpose. His enigmatic nature makes him hard to be criticized by our enemies. This takes a lot of flack off the members of our group, and he almost serves as a shield of sorts. Since you and others don't tend to talk to the media, and Milo is kind of the only one that does, this makes the enemy confused as to what we want and who we are. Know your enemies, know yourself, but keeping your enemies from knowing you can be a key strategy, to extrapolate from Sun Tzu.

Alt-Lite is a good representation. He's not one of us, nor has he ever stated he was. He has always only been a sympathizer, and always stated himself as such. I see no reason to bother flinching and striking out at him. He's definitely a useful ally of sorts right now.

As far as a training ground, getting people into the Alt-Lite will certainly set them up for entry into more sturdy elements, so long as these elements are relevant.

Blogger Shimshon September 20, 2016 8:26 AM  

What about Milo do they disapprove of? His flamboyance? Fabulousness? Does what they do rise to friendly fire? I thought only the left and cucks resorted to tone policing.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 20, 2016 8:28 AM  

For someone who is not Alt-Right, Milo sure says "we" a lot.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 20, 2016 8:34 AM  

I think that some of us fit that bill. I am Ron Paul guy, that appreciated Paul's gentlemanlyness, but wished that Paul also had more fight back like Trump. The paleo-conservatives are the ones that remember having to battle FDR. Still lost but they were pulling no punches. Then, the split with the anti-communist internationalists occurred, giving us the libertarians. Without enough popular support you get nowhere.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 20, 2016 8:36 AM  

Well said. Many on the alt-white just wont let go of Rockwell's script, any century now it will work

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 8:36 AM  

Given how easily and quickly Pepe has been declared racist/WN and outside the pale by the likes of Mensch, would it be rhetorically worthwhile to start corrupting the leftists memes/symbols with WN imagery?

Absolutely. GG made a practice of coopting every hashtag Ghazi created. It was tremendously demoralizing to them.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 20, 2016 8:36 AM  

What about Milo do they disapprove of? His flamboyance? Fabulousness? Does what they do rise to friendly fire? I thought only the left and cucks resorted to tone policing.

He is Jewish and gay and likes to have sex with black men.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 8:37 AM  

Is Milo right? Is the alt-right a CONSERVATIVE/libertarian populist movement?

No. No. It's post-ideological.

Blogger Sillon Bono September 20, 2016 8:37 AM  

@8,

Perhaps you're confusing the thought of Milo being all-right with being Alt-Right.

http://i64.tinypic.com/2dgvzi0.jpg

Blogger My Dead Gramps September 20, 2016 8:39 AM  

If Milo were a military unit, he'd be a cataphract: heavily armoured (By his gay Jewishness))enemy formation breaker. Unfortunately, this often means arrows in the back from his own side. He'd also be riding a fabulously, well polished big black stallion.

Blogger totenhenchen September 20, 2016 8:43 AM  

It looks to me like a combination of purity sperging and jealousy (spotlight envy).

Anonymous saturnV September 20, 2016 8:45 AM  

@2 ...someone else's verbiage: Trump is the blocker who opened up a path through. I think Trump's "citizenism" is doomed to fail. Funny thing is, that I'm not sure that he doesn't also know it. One step at a time. If it works, great. If it doesn't (which is what I am betting on) then we are back to pre-Trump Plan A, but with the awakening of the American People greatly accelerated.

@8 "We" doesn't have to refer to alt-right, but can refer to those who are not lunatics. MOST Trump supporters and most Western people who oppose the destruction of Western Civilization are NOT alt-right. The more they learn, the closer they come, the better.

Anyone who doesn't stand with the enemy is a *potential* ally. One can be welcoming without lowering one's standards a whit.

Blogger Salt September 20, 2016 8:46 AM  

Milo's the gay brigade, riding in and lobbing nukes at the enemy. He's not #AltRight, but he'd much rather exist with it than leftist scumbags he's correctly identified as the enemy. The #AltWhite could learn a lesson from him.

Anonymous Steve September 20, 2016 8:46 AM  

I love Milo (no homo) because he's fun and fearless, and though he might mince his steps he never minces his words.

I don't know much about Richard Spencer other than he appears to be a grown man with a Hitlerjugend haircut who wants folks to take "identitarianism" (whatever the fuck that is) super seriously.

That... doesn't sound fun. Diff'rent strokes for different folks I guess, but for me kek beats Serious Business every time.

If the kids on 4chan and 8chan and the rise of God Emperor Trump have taught us anything, it's the value of weaponised lulz.

Merciless, mirthful mockery has done more to rustle the jimmies of our poz-riddled elites and electrify the spirits of a new generation of shitlords than decades of aspergery argumentation.

Milo doesn't waste his time seeking respectability. He's a Dangerous Faggot, the avatar of Loki and Puck. Long may his magnificent hair catch the sunlight.

Blogger David Power September 20, 2016 8:48 AM  

Milo is currently doing a fine job and unlike some, who have fled to safe spaces abroad, at least he is putting his personal safety on the line.

However, Milo is above all else, an attention seeker, so don't be surprised if he turns his back on the alt-right should the flash bulbs suddenly start popping from another direction.

Blogger Gary September 20, 2016 8:50 AM  

Milo is a leftist.
The Right is only one thing: a Christian Absolute Monarchy, run to God's laws, as stated in the Bible.
So, sodomites are by their nature inherently evil. Jews do not believe in Jesus's divinity. So....

'Ooh, we don't want Islam because they hate gays and restrict women's rights, we are libertarian, everyone should be free to do whatever they want'. Nihilism baby, Milo style.
Milo, read the bible. God hates gays, God believes men are superior to women and women should not speak in church, for good reason.
Milo's playing a game, making some money, becoming famous.
Duping everyone. It may help Trump win this election, but Right does not involve elections, the masses are never Right.

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier September 20, 2016 8:52 AM  

Like GG, the Alt Right has not leaders or everyone is the leader. This is the best possible way to "organize" a movement in a 4th Generation War environment, but it is also very different from how Westerners have been organizing themselves for a couple of thousand years.

The Alt Right (and GG) are the ultimate hydra. Not only do the heads grow back, but they sprout on their own from just about anywhere and then disappear just as unpredictably. It is a movement of people united by ideas and goals, not by a leader like the media seems desperate to make it. The Alt Right wasn't created by Donald Trump, he was seized by the Alt Right and lifted up by the force of a million separate hands pushing him because he agreed with the ideas and goals (mostly).

Tone policing and the like will never work because this isn't an organization in the traditional sense. We aren't all in this together. We're actually all in this separately, and that's the whole point. Bunches of small autonomous bands of individuals who all work for mostly the same ideas and goals are a hell of a lot more difficult to deal with then a much larger group that is rigidly organized and ordered around a hierarchy of command and control.

These last couple of years have been absolutely fascinating to see. They are turning everything up on end.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 20, 2016 8:53 AM  

Entryism is always a legitimate concern.

Absolutely and This All Day.

But I think our first Entryists will come from another direction entirely.

Cuckservatives.  They will be the first to join us.  Surprised?  Don't be.  These are the same cock suckers who slimed their way into the raw energy that was the Tea Party's heart.  (*After first denouncing the Tea Party as being just a little bit too far out there*)  And then turned the Tea Party into a PAC pyramid scheme.  They are very annoyed about having been called out on this.  After all the Left never has to put up with this kind of bullshit when they fuck over the various root group members of their base.  Why should they have to put up with it?

None the less.  Cuck is a derivative of the work Cuckoo as in Cuckoo Bird.  A parasite family of birds that plant their eggs in the nest of other that closely resemble them.  The Cuckoo Chick sings a hypnotic song to it's "mother bird" so that she looks after the Cuckoo Chick to excess often starving her own brood to do so.

The Cuckservatives will do everything in their power to subvert Nationalism to support their own Lefty goals.

They have done it before.  They will try to do it again as instinctively as a beaver builds a dam.

Blogger My Dead Gramps September 20, 2016 8:54 AM  

@21. Like a laser guided spergical strike missile.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 20, 2016 8:55 AM  

If you don't choose a gay Jew negrophile for your thought leader, then don't listen to him.

Just like Trump, a group gets the leader they deserve.

I 100% support Milo as the leader and embodiment of the Alt-Lite.

Anonymous Baseball Savant September 20, 2016 8:56 AM  

"However, I am done trying to talk sense into Alt-Whites who are paranoid about those they deem "e-celebs" and determined to make neither friends nor allies of anyone who is not 100 percent white and does not buy 100 percent into whatever it is that they believe. They are irrelevant and we need not concern ourselves with them. To the extent they trouble to shoot at the Left instead of demonstrating their purity by aiming at us, they are useful, and that is sufficient reason to ignore their occasional attacks directed our way."

Love love love this paragraph. Class is always in session on this blog. Love it.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 20, 2016 8:59 AM  

The question and answer period was very good. Milo knows his extreme faggoty is wrong, deep down. He almost admitted it directly. He said part of him would like to have children, and he recognizes the shortcomings of gay sex in that regard. He didn't try to sugarcoat it.

Yes, I was there. I asked him the last question of the night.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 20, 2016 9:02 AM  

I don't understand the concern about Milo. The precise definition of alt right and how it differs from other elements of the right isn't something an average member of the public will even consider, much less understand. I would worry more about the right being tainted by association with leftist cucks, neocons and Cruz bible thumpers, all of which to some extent have as the center of their philosophy open borders, foreign wars and constant vigilance against racism.

Blogger Dirtnapninja September 20, 2016 9:02 AM  

As long as someone stands with us, we should stand with them. We can rectify our relationships once we stand over the smoking rubble of the current System.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 20, 2016 9:02 AM  

Yes, I was there. I asked him the last question of the night

And now I'm curious. What was it? If you don't mind my asking.

Anonymous Elipe September 20, 2016 9:06 AM  

I agree with being on cordial terms with Milo. Even if we don't agree with his lifestyle, he is nevertheless a very valuable ally in our war against the Left.

It is at the final defeat of the Left that we can then decide what to do with Milo or people like him.

This is not that time. We need soldiers.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 20, 2016 9:07 AM  

I think of Milo as a stealth bomber. Hard to target and devastating in its attack. Just make sure you're not too close to ground zero.

As for the attitude of the Alt-White; I can't help but wonder if that faction tends to attract Gammas. It seems like they expected to be declared Homecoming King and now resent that they are relegated to minority status in a movement they thought they owned.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 20, 2016 9:08 AM  

However, I am done trying to talk sense into Alt-Whites who are paranoid about those they deem "e-celebs" and determined to make neither friends nor allies of anyone who is not 100 percent white and does not buy 100 percent into whatever it is that they believe.

Since you are not 100% white and do not want to throw millions of people into ovens, have they disavowed you yet?

Blogger Salt September 20, 2016 9:09 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:The question and answer period was very good. Milo knows his extreme faggoty is wrong, deep down. He almost admitted it directly. He said part of him would like to have children, and he recognizes the shortcomings of gay sex in that regard. He didn't try to sugarcoat it.

Milo did an article a while back. He lamented the loss of the gay culture. Seemed to me he'd prefer it back in the closet with the caveat, "we're here, get over it, and please, leave us alone."

Anonymous Onlooker September 20, 2016 9:11 AM  

@16: It looks to me like a combination of purity sperging and jealousy (spotlight envy).

Shack. Right on target.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 20, 2016 9:12 AM  

He wants straight white males to run the world, and he wants to be left alone with his Mandingo boyfriends.

Cataline, I asked him when he and Vox were going to write a book together. I told him since Vox is the RSHD, and you're the Dangerous Faggot, if you combined your powers you could cause a nuclear meltdown across the western world.

Anonymous Howie Long September 20, 2016 9:14 AM  

You guys need to read the opinions of People of Color.

You will see that YOU are in the minority and have no chance of survival

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/08/25/msnbcs-joy-reid-explains-alt-right-movement-they-are-basically-next-generation-what-are/212662

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/09/the-alt-right-may-be-stupid-but-theyre-also-danger.html

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 20, 2016 9:16 AM  

Howie Wrong!

Satire or nahhhh

Blogger Blunt Force September 20, 2016 9:19 AM  

Neo-Nazis conveniently overlook the fact that sans support of the Brown Shirts, Hitler would have lived and died in obscurity, spending his days shoveling snow from Hotel sidewalks for sustenance and painting landscapes no gallery would ever show.

Anonymous Eric Big Decker September 20, 2016 9:20 AM  

http://www.vice.com/read/the-alt-rights-fear-of-a-black-planet

the alt right is just a bunch of no-nothing racists. How many of the commentators in this thread, writing about the superiority of 'white society' have ever worked with a foreigner? Had 'brown' neighbours? Worked outside of the US? Spent any time out of their basements or off of Reddit?

What I see here are a bunch of whingers, a bunch of white supremicist hipster nazi losers who can't stand a little competition, indeed are not capable of performing in the real world, who think that the solution is to get rid of the 'others', to have women out of the workplace and back in the home making babies 'where they belong', to roll back diversity guidelines in companies, to make America white and male again.

And sorry, no, that's just not good enough. Whites are not naturally or genetically superior, or better, or less violent and so on. There is no heirarchy in this world like the one you believe there is. China was a superpower before the UK, before the US, before Russia. They built a wall and hid behind it. They withdrew from the world, and they were overtaken, then invaded. An isolated Zionist homeland for whites is not a solution. Oh and by the way, Islam called. They'd like their algebra back. Thanks.

Blogger Fatherless September 20, 2016 9:20 AM  

Gary better be a king, or no one should listen to his advice.

Blogger Salt September 20, 2016 9:20 AM  

Howie Long wrote:You will see that YOU are in the minority and have no chance of survival

With a statement like that you've just painted one yuge target on yourself. Enjoy.

Anonymous G Reents September 20, 2016 9:22 AM  

Please excuse. Just an interested reader of the site, but I guess I got a different idea of what he was saying. What I thought I heard was that Alt-Right isn't going away unless the left stops doing their reprehensible things. I didn't hear him say the movement was DOOMED or will get no larger. I heard just the opposite. But...what the hell do I know?

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 20, 2016 9:23 AM  

@3 & @13

I am inclined to agree with Milo. There is a libertarian uprising afoot but it's not the one that folks like Nick Gillespie expected. The Alt-Right folks remind me of the commenters from what was formerly known as "Daily Paul". Milo, if memory serves me, described himself as a "cultural libertarian". Trump seems a throwback from the days of Howard Stern when he was at WNBC.

I'm not saying that we ought expect a surge in Amazon purchases of texts by Rothbard or Spooner, instead, there seems to be a "liberty sentiment". People like Milo speak of free speech while folks like RamZPaul form their nationalist ideas upon the principle of voluntary association.

Blogger Shimshon September 20, 2016 9:25 AM  

It sounds like Alt-White are just bitter ex-MGTOWs or MRAs latching onto the next new thing.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 20, 2016 9:25 AM  

Ah, "People of Color". Is EVERYTHING they say a lie? Rhetorical.

> Most humans have only one hair color and one eye color. Europeans are a big exception: their hair is black but also brown, flaxen, golden, or red; their eyes are brown but also blue, gray, hazel, or green. This diversity reaches a maximum in an area centered on the East Baltic and covering northern and eastern Europe. If we move outward, to the south and east, we see a rapid return to the human norm: hair becomes uniformly black and eyes uniformly brown.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 20, 2016 9:26 AM  

@40 Shame on you! Depriving a village of its fool.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 9:27 AM  

Since you are not 100% white and do not want to throw millions of people into ovens, have they disavowed you yet?

Two or three nobodies - I mean that literally, no one with even as many as 200 followers - have declared "you are NOT alt-right". I just disavowed them back and muted them.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 20, 2016 9:29 AM  

It sounds like Alt-White are just bitter ex-MGTOWs or MRAs latching onto the next new thing.

Bingo

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 9:30 AM  

The Alt-White proves that you you can uncuck the sperg…but you can’t unsperg the cuck.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 20, 2016 9:31 AM  


Two or three nobodies - I mean that literally, no one with even as many as 200 followers - have declared "you are NOT alt-right". I just disavowed them back and muted them.


Did any of them threaten to not have sex with you?

Blogger Chris Mallory September 20, 2016 9:32 AM  

Vox gets a mention at Cracked.

"One prominent figure in the alt-right is Theodore Beale, or Vox Day online. Beale doesn't directly threaten people, but he does regularly advocate for his readers to harass folks for him. Here's how he advised his readers to treat women like Jessica Valenti, a writer for The Guardian whom he happens to dislike:"
http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2381-toddler-rape-threats-other-tactics-alt-right.html

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 20, 2016 9:32 AM  

Josh Gold,

Did you watch the slide show in the video? One slide that I think is really applicable to you was simply entitled:

"FUCK YOUR FEELINGS".

Have nice day.

Blogger Salt September 20, 2016 9:33 AM  

Josh Gold wrote:but it still does not erase the benefits and consequences of you being a white male in America.

The benefits are we live in a 1st world country built by white men. The consequences we are now experiencing, having people like you here. That can be remedied. Go back the the 3rd world you evidently prefer to live in.

Blogger Student in Blue September 20, 2016 9:34 AM  

Two or three nobodies - I mean that literally, no one with even as many as 200 followers - have declared "you are NOT alt-right". I just disavowed them back and muted them.

Holy cow, even I have more followers and I maybe get on twitter once every month.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 20, 2016 9:35 AM  

There appears to be a Trump Jr tweet that is causing weeping and butthurt on CNN. Apparently Trump Jr is comparing refugees to Skittles.

FUCK YOUR FEELINGS

Blogger Tanyaec September 20, 2016 9:35 AM  

I do not agree with the 'purist' alt-right... Yet, I do agree with every point that Vox made in his list. And Milo, has provided an 'entertaining intro' to your cause. And yes, Trump has opened the door to the mainstream. As you guys show me facts supporting your stronger positions, I'm moving your way. Point is.. If you stick to 'hard lines' your support will never grow. These are beliefs, facts, and concepts that have been basically 'banned' and vilified for generations. I know that those of us who are just arriving on the scene are frustrating as hell... Keep speaking your truth? You are making MAJOR inroads. Celebrate it and try to be patient just a little longer!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 20, 2016 9:36 AM  

Apparently Trump Jr is comparing refugees to Skittles.

Why is he trying to get black people to hunt down refugees?

Blogger S1AL September 20, 2016 9:39 AM  

"'It sounds like Alt-White are just bitter ex-MGTOWs or MRAs latching onto the next new thing.'

Bingo"

At the very least, I find it impossible to take seriously the opinion of anyone who is worried about the decline of Western Civilization but can't be bothered to father and raise children. Minor exception for the miniscule number of avowed celibate clergy.

Anonymous Roundtine September 20, 2016 9:40 AM  

If you aren't sending gas chamber memes, you're cuck. If you bring up Christianity when discussing white genocide you're a cuck. If you're handing out 70% red pills and 30% blue pulls to people who are 70% blue pilled, you're a cuck.

How long did it take you to become red pilled? From hearing testimonials, most took at least 4-5 years, or as much as a decade. Even on the Alt-White, many were Ron Paul supporters in 2008 and 2012. So if the media is putting Milo on TV now......

Blogger Student in Blue September 20, 2016 9:41 AM  

Why is he trying to get black people to hunt down refugees?

Way more cost effective than paying out bounties, duh.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 20, 2016 9:41 AM  


At the very least, I find it impossible to take seriously the opinion of anyone who is worried about the decline of Western Civilization but can't be bothered to father and raise children.


This. 100% This.

SHUT UP AND SHOOT LEFT and SHUT UP AND MAKE WHITE BABIES.

Blogger Nick S September 20, 2016 9:42 AM  

Eric Big Decker wrote:What I see here are a bunch of whingers, a bunch of white supremicist hipster nazi losers who can't stand a little competition, indeed are not capable of performing in the real world, who think that the solution is to get rid of the 'others', to have women out of the workplace and back in the home making babies 'where they belong', to roll back diversity guidelines in companies, to make America white and male again.

You must be new here.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 20, 2016 9:42 AM  

I have a white wife and three white sons who will rule the world. Their names reflect as such.

Anonymous Roundtine September 20, 2016 9:48 AM  

@53 Re: Cracked

Cracked exemplifies convergence. They did a full 180 years ago.

Blogger bosscauser September 20, 2016 9:51 AM  

Me thinks opposite the guys who pontificate from Fox News!

Let's go #Trump and hurry!

Anonymous Adriano September 20, 2016 9:58 AM  

Vox this alt west alt white thing is a divide and conquer strategy. Go ahead and write out all those in the alt right with badthink about your beloved Jew. Why do you think he gets so much press? You think his (((ethnicity))) has nothing to do with it? Jews always co-opt any movement that threatens their status. Milo has already done his part to write out any criticism of Jewish power structures as fun and games and not serious.

Anonymous Ironsides September 20, 2016 9:59 AM  

The big issue I've seen with Milo is that there are some saying that he's stolen money from donors.

Specifically, he set up some college fund, and redirected the funds to his own bank account; then he set up some alleged Trump donation fund (like you can't just send the money to Trump direct) with "anonymous" billionaires matching donations to it.

Charges that he's scamming alt-right people are the reason I distrust him.

Perhaps they're false. Perhaps they're not. Does anyone here have any additional information?

PS To the sudden plague of shitlib leftist traitors posting here: yes. I have been around muds. I've lived near them. I've been forced to work alongside them. Why the hell do you think I'm red-pilled? Do you clowns actually think that being forced into the company of orcs is going to improve your opinion of them? That having them in your neighborhood, smashing windows, slashing tires on cars, robbing people, strewing trash all over, raising the previously nonexistent local rape and murder rate through the roof, is going to give you warm and tender feelings? Bunch of filthy, lying SJW traitors.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 20, 2016 9:59 AM  

My take on Milo is that he has his uses. I look at him as a sort of "reverse entryist," one who worms alt-Right ideas into the consciousness of the mass of normies out there. He does, of course, have a limit to his usefulness, but within his element, he is potent.

Milo is able to introduce normies to the follies of political correctness, SJWism, feminism, etc. Granted, things like nationalism and HBD, and definitely things like Tradition, neoreaction, and patriarchy, are above his pay grade. However, he's able to get a lot of people started on the Journey.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric September 20, 2016 10:02 AM  

Three tone deaf trolls in a row, posting thoughts and links that are essentially non sequiturs, but which are no doubt straight out of their bag of tricks.

That's really pathetic. No wonder we're going to have a Trumpslide. That's not even opposition; y'all don't even rise to the level of human shields when it comes to tactics.

Blogger tz September 20, 2016 10:05 AM  

The alt-right isn't going anywhere
He meant "away".

If the alt-white does a sperge-purge, well, look how small NRx is and they are still doing it. Maybe they can combine with TheBlaze and go out on a glorious funeral pyre.

I think there is a 3rd group, Alt-liberty that rejects the losertarians and their party (or is it now a debauchery given C-Span's convention coverage).

The next decade is about the war with the elite and their welfare slaves. Conservatism, Inc. was one of them.

Freedom will mean freedom to be as nationalistic as you want. It will be a meritocracy of effort and work, not of credentials.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 20, 2016 10:13 AM  

"Milo is able to introduce normies to the follies of political correctness, SJWism, feminism,"

I always thought SJWism and feminism introduced normies to the follies of SJWism and feminism.

The task of the alt-right (or one of them anyway) is to introduce normies not to the folly of these things, but to their evil.

Blogger Eric Wilson September 20, 2016 10:14 AM  

VD,

Is this a subtle shot at The Daily Shoah? I get confused with the new terms.

Blogger Mjolnir ThunderBliss September 20, 2016 10:14 AM  

This article missed the mark. Alt-right is about racial conciousness, not cultural libertarianism.

Milo is a libertarian who is receptive to logic, but he does not embody the values or goals of the Alt-right.

Blogger Student in Blue September 20, 2016 10:15 AM  

@Ironsides
Charges that he's scamming alt-right people are the reason I distrust him.

You don't have to trust him. You just have to let him do his thing, because he's been firing in the right direction so far.

And that is, of course, entirely different than and separate from setting up Milo to be the Leader Of The Alt Right. Or even leader material to begin with.

He's a storm that's beating down the houses of our enemy. Yes, that could be dangerous if it was directed on us, but should we honestly care? He's not even Alt-Right.

People just need to stop giving him money though.

@Adriano
Vox this alt west alt white thing is a divide and conquer strategy. Go ahead and write out all those in the alt right with badthink about your beloved Jew.

You're getting a divide-and-conquer strategy completely backwards. If the (((tribe))) is somehow using Milo to create infighting amongst Alt-Right... then why are you infighting amongst Alt-Right?

Just let it go. Fire back on the people firing on you, and don't fire on the people shooting at your enemy.

Anonymous cheddarman September 20, 2016 10:15 AM  

Milo is proof that there is no such thing as bad publicity for the alt right.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 20, 2016 10:16 AM  

43. G Reents September 20, 2016 9:22 AM
I didn't hear him say the movement was DOOMED or will get no larger. I heard just the opposite. But...what the hell do I know?



that is the overall message.

but Milo couches it in phrases like "The Alt-Right isn't going anywhere ... unless the Left stops doing stupid shit x" ( which thing 'x' the Left will never stop doing ) which makes it appear that he's transgressing the Alt-Right until he finishes the sentence.

it's speaking as Trolling.




40. Eric Big Decker September 20, 2016 9:20 AM
What I see here are a bunch of whingers, a bunch of white supremicist hipster nazi losers who can't stand a little competition, indeed are not capable of performing in the real world,



good.

then you will defeat us not only utterly but effortlessly. Hillary is sure to be elected, Frau Merkel should quadruple her African invasion processing and the Le Pens will do nothing in France.

seeing as how we're rumbling, bumbling, stumbling idiots, we not merely won't do anything about it, we're incapable of doing anything about it.


57. Tanyaec September 20, 2016 9:35 AM
I'm moving your way. Point is.. If you stick to 'hard lines' your support will never grow. These are beliefs, facts, and concepts that have been basically 'banned' and vilified for generations. I know that those of us who are just arriving on the scene are frustrating as hell...



this is a bit of a problem.

midwits, who themselves only started looking at the facts on the ground a couple of years ago spooging all over normies who haven't looked at any of this and are just barely starting to move their Overton Window.

that's why the humor is such an important element of what the Alt-Right is saying. what we're saying is not only in diametric opposition to what they've been taught / indoctrinated their whole lives, we are the thing which they have been indoctrinated to believe is Anathema and CrimeThink.

the humor is the sugar which keeps them swallowing the pill of 'bitter' fact which will eventually Red Pill them.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 20, 2016 10:19 AM  

S1AL wrote:At the very least, I find it impossible to take seriously the opinion of anyone who is worried about the decline of Western Civilization but can't be bothered to father and raise children. Minor exception for the miniscule number of avowed celibate clergy.

So, I'm curious, what are you talking about here? I follow TRS, and everybody who's anybody is married with children or trying to be, one of the better-loved podcasts is by married dads for married dads to discuss fatherhood, and MGTOW is generally spoken of with naked contempt for exactly that reason. Is there some vocal faction of MGTOW Alt-White I've never heard of?

Blogger DJay Beetoo September 20, 2016 10:21 AM  

Trump/Pepe 2016

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 10:22 AM  

This article missed the mark. Alt-right is about racial conciousness, not cultural libertarianism.

Milo is a libertarian who is receptive to logic, but he does not embody the values or goals of the Alt-right.


Oh look, another Alt-White sperg who thinks that the first step to a successful movement is shooting at your allies.

Anonymous johnc September 20, 2016 10:22 AM  

I don't have much of a problem with Milo but I also don't understand the over-exaggerated fascination with him either. I guess because he acts flamboyantly gay people get a rise.

Breitbart, on the other hand, has become a complete trainwreck and perhaps a canary in the coal mine.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction September 20, 2016 10:23 AM  

China was an self isolated kingdom not a superpower. Now run along.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 10:23 AM  

He does, of course, have a limit to his usefulness, but within his element, he is potent.

spergs gonna sperg

Blogger Whisker biscuit September 20, 2016 10:24 AM  

I'm not sure Milo will have a long term affiliation with the Alt-Right; his persona, while effective, will grow tiresome after awhile--given the nature of our short attention spans in the social media age. Not to mention the flamboyant gay stuff is diffucult for Christians to welcome with open arms.

That being said, the elements in the alt right that are going to hinder it are the nilhistic, atheistic and MGTOW sect. It's more than just being at odds with Christians who build their entire worldview around our faith in Christ, it's the antoganistism and mockery of our beliefs that make it hard to come to common ground.

Anonymous Roundtine September 20, 2016 10:24 AM  

@67 Vox this alt west alt white thing is a divide and conquer strategy.

The dividing is being done by the far edge of White Nationalism. Ramzpaul gets trolled by these WNs for having Yellow fever and not being 1488 enough. The guys at the Daily Shoah have jew dicks in their butts (probably Milo's!)

The difficulty for the White Nationalists is White Nationalism isn't a full program. If the rest of the Alt-Right is on board with banning all immigration, or all non-white immigration, and repatriating non-white-presenting minorities or giving them their own countries, what more is there?

Blogger Lovekraft September 20, 2016 10:26 AM  

If identity politics become the flavour of the day, which means victory will be nothing more than fending off attacks by marxists/globalists and defending allies, then it will be a miserable, disheartening ride for those who demand justice for decades of mistreatment.

But this may be viable in that openly declaring 1488 principles invites the gauntlet. Viable, not ideal, but one which looks at the long term - small victories, small defeats but a consistent push towards self-determination and releasing from the parasites.

Blogger Lovekraft September 20, 2016 10:26 AM  

If identity politics become the flavour of the day, which means victory will be nothing more than fending off attacks by marxists/globalists and defending allies, then it will be a miserable, disheartening ride for those who demand justice for decades of mistreatment.

But this may be viable in that openly declaring 1488 principles invites the gauntlet. Viable, not ideal, but one which looks at the long term - small victories, small defeats but a consistent push towards self-determination and releasing from the parasites.

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes September 20, 2016 10:29 AM  

Milo is a libertarian leaning conservative. He wants a libertine society that rejects leftism, but it does so within the framework of a modern conservative viewpoint that does not seek ethnic homogeneity.

His viewpoint is informed by the fact that he is a Jewish Greek homosexual who likes black boyfriends. He shares a blind spot with most conservative non-whites: He believes the problem is simply one of better assimilation and education.

The fundamental difference between conservatives and the Alt-Right is that the former advocates for civic nationalism, while the later preaches ethnic nationalism. Conservatives hold a near religious belief in the proposition nation, the Alt-Right rejects it.

I don't see Milo ever becoming Alt-Right, but he is a very useful player in the public arena. He's a fun, vivacious, smart, witty, entertaining, balsy conservative who will draw many a liberal into the flock--not wholly, but just to a point where they don't feel antipathy to those of us who are further to the right.

What the Alt-Righters who reject Milo fail to see is that their view is way too hardcore for society as it's constituted right now. But if you can begin moving people in the proper direction you end up moving the entire overton window, making views which were previously repugnant more acceptable to polite society.

This is why the average democrat is not offended by radical Marxists in their ranks. The overton window has shifted so far to the left, that while most on the left would not identify as Marxists, they don't feel revolted by that viewpoint. In fact, they have some sympathy for it.

This is what Milo is doing for our side. He's making it fun and acceptable to be on the right. Milo is making it cool to be a young conservative. That's no small feat. Those on the right who reject him are idiots who would rather lose nobly than win with less than 100% ideological purity. Those people are losers, plain and simple. They will shoot at a guy who is going into the lion's den to fight leftism because he's a Jew that doesn't hold dear point 14. To win a war you must use every tool at your disposal.

Blogger Shimshon September 20, 2016 10:29 AM  

OT: Twitter lays off 20 in India.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/20/twitter-lays-off-around-20-shuts-down-engineering-office-in-bangalore-india/

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 20, 2016 10:30 AM  

68. Ironsides September 20, 2016 9:59 AM
Perhaps they're false. Perhaps they're not. Does anyone here have any additional information?



according to his own interviews, he's a homo rent boy who has made a lot of money and gotten a lot of "presents" for screwing rich, older queers.

i'd certainly never send him any money. he's keeping a large entourage employed, he doesn't need it.

Blogger praetorian September 20, 2016 10:31 AM  

Is this a subtle shot at The Daily Shoah? I get confused with the new terms.

If you don't like what we tell you to believe in, we'll kill you.

Anonymous Gecko September 20, 2016 10:31 AM  

As with Roosh, it's helpful to use the concept of foreign allies. They may not be of us, but that doesn't mean we can't work together toward common goals.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 10:35 AM  

Go ahead and write out all those in the alt right with badthink about your beloved Jew. Why do you think he gets so much press? You think his (((ethnicity))) has nothing to do with it?

Where would white spergs be without their insane, self-contradictory, and impossibly unverifiable conspiracy theories? "Feminism is cancer." Clearly good for the Jews.

Milo has already done his part to write out any criticism of Jewish power structures as fun and games and not serious.

If I could punch you through my computer screen... Milo FREED you to criticize Jewish power structures, you tinfoil hat imbecile. The ability of white spergs to misinterpret everything grows ever more legendary.

Blogger S1AL September 20, 2016 10:35 AM  

"So, I'm curious, what are you talking about here? I follow TRS, and everybody who's anybody is married with children or trying to be, one of the better-loved podcasts is by married dads for married dads to discuss fatherhood, and MGTOW is generally spoken of with naked contempt for exactly that reason. Is there some vocal faction of MGTOW Alt-White I've never heard of?"

Well, you could start with Heartiste's Nazi sperg brigade, but then we just start trading anecdotes. Granted, Hitler was a childless gamma loser in person, so I don't know if you can expect much more from his devoted whackos.

Blogger Nick S September 20, 2016 10:35 AM  

One thing I like about Milo, Vox and the Ilk is that they're trigger proof. They're not motivated by what anyone will think of them. So even when I disagree with them, I know the're being honest.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 10:36 AM  

Is this a subtle shot at The Daily Shoah?

No. I'm talking about a few random WN on Twitter. They're so used to being alone and on the defensive they have no idea how to make allies or go on the attack.

Vox this alt west alt white thing is a divide and conquer strategy.

You have it backwards. I'm making the distinction in part to avoid conquering.

"One prominent figure in the alt-right is Theodore Beale, or Vox Day online. Beale doesn't directly threaten people, but he does regularly advocate for his readers to harass folks for him. Here's how he advised his readers to treat women like Jessica Valenti, a writer for The Guardian whom he happens to dislike:"

I think it's cute they think I know who Jessica Valenti is, much less have a specific opinion about her. It would be like naming the cockroaches in your basement as you spray for them.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 10:39 AM  

What the Alt-Righters who reject Milo fail to see is that their view is way too hardcore for society as it's constituted right now. But if you can begin moving people in the proper direction you end up moving the entire overton window, making views which were previously repugnant more acceptable to polite society.

^^^^^^^^ THIS

Milo provides pinpoint covering fire and the spergs whine that he used the "wrong" kind of ammo.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 20, 2016 10:39 AM  

Milo is a libertarian leaning conservative. He wants a libertine society that rejects leftism, but it does so within the framework of a modern conservative viewpoint that does not seek ethnic homogeneity.

Which is why, ultimately, Milo's model will fail. He wants the very thing that is causing the crack up in the first place. A culturally libertarian diversity-fest where Milo gets to boff as many black dudes as he wants isn't a model with any long-term expectations.

Really, people can jibber-jabber about what they think "ought" to happen, but ultimately reality will reassert itself, with or without them. Fact is, the current model cannot last forever. It's going to end, and what arises after the Great Reset will be more authoritarian, more nationalistic, more ethnically homogeneous, and less tolerate of sexual and social deviancies. Disagree or play with yourself while muttering "sperg" all you want, but them's the facts from history.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 20, 2016 10:42 AM  

Milo provides pinpoint covering fire and the spergs whine that he used the "wrong" kind of ammo.

But see, this was actually the point I was making above, which you apparently missed in your zeal to pull your wiener while shouting "sperg!"

Milo is good for waking people up about feminism, PCism, etc.

But people should then move on after that to a more advanced understanding of reality.

Milo is like Alt-Right kindergarten. You have to learn to count before you can do calculus.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 10:43 AM  

Related: The Murdoch Diaries.

They make peace with the ghost of Dr. William Pierce in the newer video, Meme Magic.

Anonymous David September 20, 2016 10:45 AM  

@40. Erik, I am living in Bolivia. I assure you that 'White' culture is very superior to Bolivian culture. The city here, Sucre, looks like it has been invaded and occupied by orcs. Makeshift construction reminiscent of the caves under Isengard. Piles of trash everywhere. And a totally converged government. The poor, pathetic Alcaldia has 'recycling' trash receptacles set up here and there. But expecting these people here to put trash into ANY receptacle, let alone sort it by category, is like expecting Muslims not to rape.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett September 20, 2016 10:45 AM  

Shhhh, it's a SECRET!

Blogger D. G. D. Davidson September 20, 2016 10:47 AM  

I know Vox has talked about what defines the Alt-Right, but is there anywhere I can go to see definitions of Alt-White, Alt-Light, and Alt-West?

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 10:48 AM  

Which is why, ultimately, Milo's model will fail.

Tell us about how Americans are going to spontaneously adopt Nazism. Last time I checked, Nazism is about as American as kebab.

Spergs insist on reminding everyone of facts that are totally irrelevant to the situation at hand. The train is fine.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 20, 2016 10:52 AM  

Milo puts the smackdown on a protester
https://youtu.be/d9v8v2xKbZ0

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 10:53 AM  

Milo is like Alt-Right kindergarten. You have to learn to count before you can do calculus.

Some of us aced calculus and then moved on to DifEq, where Our Supreme Dark Lord teaches that if you can’t find something nice to say about your allies, SHUT THE FUCK UP and say something mean about the Left.

You’d think spergs could do the math.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 20, 2016 10:53 AM  

What is it with some people. They hear the word 'Milo' and the first thing that pops in their head is, Black Man-Cock. WTF!!

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 20, 2016 10:53 AM  

Tell us about how Americans are going to spontaneously adopt Nazism. Last time I checked, Nazism is about as American as kebab.

I don't need to, because I'm not a Nazi, or even a white nationalist. In fact, "nationalism" as I understand it centers on a more natural and organic basis of culture, rather than genetic race, and leaves open the possibility of non-whites assimilating to the culture in genetically white countries, and therefore becoming part of those nations.

Therefore asking me to do this is more an indication of your own idiocy than anything else, since it indicates that you can't be bothered to even learn what you're criticising before you do so.

Here are some tweezers. Go lock yourself in your room and have some fun.

Blogger mushroom September 20, 2016 10:54 AM  

Milo is the epitome of a happy warrior. He doesn't have to be part of my tribe. He's an ally. Read "The Ballad of the White Horse" sometime. Like the great Gaels of Ireland that fought beside Alfred:

For the great Gaels of Ireland
Are the men that God made mad,
For their wars are always merry
And all their songs are sad.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 10:54 AM  

I know Vox has talked about what defines the Alt-Right, but is there anywhere I can go to see definitions of Alt-White, Alt-Light, and Alt-West?

I'll do it this week.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 10:55 AM  

Better idea - I'll say what I like, and little pricks like yourself will just have to learn to deal with it.

Wanna bet?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 20, 2016 10:56 AM  

If I may get all LOTR here, the NRx and the WN's are the kind of nitpickers who would refuse to follow the Wild Men's secret path to Gondor because it wasn't marked clearly enough. Or they'd pitch a hissy fit about some Rohan clan not having clean enough horses.

Never mind the "forest for the trees" issue, WN spergs and NRx navelgazers can't peek through a hedge to even find a tree. Can't lead, won't follow and keep getting in the way. Good thing there aren't that many of them.

Blogger slarrow September 20, 2016 10:56 AM  

Milo is the vanguard of the alt-right, in the old military sense of the advance guard. He is the point of the spear, and he is uniquely designed to penetrate the defenses of the enemy. He's a walking Rules for Radicals for the right, and currently he can go places and do damage that others in the alt-right simply can't yet.

Milo is out there making holes in the enemy line. Let him do that, and then rush the gaps. At some point, it'll be a general melee, and the need for his role will be diminished. Until then, find a target and shoot left.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 10:58 AM  

It's going to end, and what arises after the Great Reset will be more authoritarian, more nationalistic, more ethnically homogeneous, and less tolerate of sexual and social deviancies.

That is a probable outcome. But there are a lot of variables out there. The fact is that we don't know how it will turn out. Maybe the Chinese will engage in genetic warfare. Maybe DNA-therapy will permit turning black embryos "white", for all intents and purposes. We don't know.

Let's just be humble, yeah.

Anonymous BigGayKoranBurner September 20, 2016 10:58 AM  

No one "owns" leftism. People, organizations Darth Soros might

He is Jewish and gay and likes to have sex with black men.

Swing dead cat in NYC hit x number.

white supremicist hipster nazi losers who can't stand a little competition, indeed are not capable of performing in the real world

Without affirmative action the most successful blacks would be at the level of white trailer trash. The AVG SAT score of blacks from families earning over $200,000 a year is 981, while whites from families earing under $20,000 a year is 978. The journal of Blacks in Higher EDU even has a chart for race/earnings showing this but pretend it is racism instead of evolution not stopping at the neck.

ever worked with a foreigner? Had 'brown' neighbours? Worked outside of the US?

All that and worked in inner city hospitals for over 6 years.

Oh and by the way, Islam called. They'd like their algebra back.

The only reason they had algebra was sword point conversations of people that kept the Greeks knowledge of it alive

but it still does not erase the benefits and consequences of you being a white male in America.

Why do Asians and whites bring benefits to areas but no where on earth benefits from blacks?

Specifically, he set up some college fund, and redirected the funds to his own bank account

His white guy college fund got less than $100k & he can use it in the UK instead of the US. The amount is not enough to stand against a legal challenge that other college funding for whites had experienced.

Blogger Unknown September 20, 2016 10:59 AM  

VD wrote:I think it's cute they think I know who Jessica Valenti is, much less have a specific opinion about her. It would be like naming the cockroaches in your basement as you spray for them.

This is absolute gold, sir. I can't stop laughing.

Yes, Milo is extremely useful as a sort of mobile attack force for engaging the enemy in a flamboyant manner and serving as kind of a pink pill for the normies (watered-down red, with obvious, low-quality pun on his tendencies).

We could actually use 10 Milos.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 10:59 AM  

Yeah, actually. Your blog makes up a small part of where I post. Ban me from here all you want if you can't handle somebody saying things you don't like. It really won't hurt me very much. Or any, actually.

Fine. Go. Don't come back.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 10:59 AM  

In fact, "nationalism" as I understand it centers on a more natural and organic basis of culture, rather than genetic race, and leaves open the possibility of non-whites assimilating to the culture in genetically white countries, and therefore becoming part of those nations.

Therefore asking me to do this is more an indication of your own idiocy than anything else, since it indicates that you can't be bothered to even learn what you're criticising before you do so.


You forgot to add /sperg.

Better idea - I'll say what I like, and little pricks like yourself will just have to learn to deal with it.

If you won't listen to Vox, I wouldn't expect you to listen to me. There but for the grace the Supreme Dark Lord I go...

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 20, 2016 11:00 AM  

Let's just be humble, yeah.

That is true, we don't know. We need to be humble...and also ready for it when it comes. Because it will come.

Blogger Gary September 20, 2016 11:01 AM  

@105,

America has freedom of religion. The UK has (mostly) Churchian protestants or atheists/agnostics. The EU denies religion any place in its set-up. Deny the Truth if you like, but all of these are the same, since the *enlightenment* the dark side has been making progress, as prophesied.

All of these paradigms will pass, the path to the other side will be very long (centuries) and very bloody, so current events are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Battles will be fought eventually, words will not suffice. As always, it will be Christians who fight the good fight, not Milos.

You would no doubt deem Jesus Christ himself a sperg, as you deny His teachings in His Bible.

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 20, 2016 11:03 AM  

I wouldn't expect you to listen to me.

No, the reason I wouldn't listen to you is because you're a moron who has shown zero capability of crafting a reasonable argument.

Vox, on the other hand, I'll listen to. I won't let him dictate to me what I can and can't say, but I will at least respect him to play nice with him on his blog. After all, I'm not "attacking" Milo - I'm merely pointing out that he's a starting point, not the end all. I think it's abundantly clear from what I've said on here so far that I think Milo is useful. Which means I'm not "against" him. I just don't think people should *stop* with him.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 20, 2016 11:03 AM  

Milo outflanks the SJW's by being more gay than they are, always inside their OODA loop so they wind up standing in the dust.

Milo says things that we all know, but he says them from a platform the SJW's can't touch that is invaluable, because the memes and ideas fly right over the heads of the SJW thought police.

For that reason alone he's a YUGE ally of sanity in the short run.

IF his model, whatever or whoever it is, fails then he'll find another one, if he can't then someone else will step up. We don't have to have a 499 page book of Ultimate Planning and if we did it wouldn't survive contact with the opposition anyway.

Spergs need to know their place, which is not in the area of strategy or even tactics. When someone is shoving the Overton window in a good direction either help them or stand back. Don't get in the way.

Anonymous Adriano September 20, 2016 11:06 AM  

@Dissidentright

Vox doesn't need your white knighting, I fully expect that he can defend himself. Repeating sperg 50 times in the comment thread just shows how much of a one note dipshit you are.

You are the only one who has indicated that white nationalism=nazism , which makes me infer something about you.

@Vox

Milo is effective, and he is also a faggot jew that fucks black men. To expect that a few people from the alt right big tent won't attack him is folly. Acceptance of his degeneracy would poison the movement, but the vast majority are capable of ignoring him and letting him do his thing - as long as he doesn't claim to represent us.

Anonymous 204 September 20, 2016 11:08 AM  

Vox, I have a question. I do not wish to be a concern troll, or interfere with Milo in anyway now because he is doing God's work for the Trump campaign.
But he is a flagrant homosexual who wallows and takes pride in it, or at least pretends to. Something just not right about that behavior, which is why I'm a little cautious about him. Should I not be?

Blogger mushroom September 20, 2016 11:09 AM  

Milo is the epitome of a happy warrior. He doesn't have to be part of my tribe. He's an ally. Read "The Ballad of the White Horse" sometime. Like the great Gaels of Ireland that fought beside Alfred:

For the great Gaels of Ireland
Are the men that God made mad,
For their wars are always merry
And all their songs are sad.

Anonymous johnc September 20, 2016 11:11 AM  

It's going to end, and what arises after the Great Reset will be more authoritarian, more nationalistic, more ethnically homogeneous, and less tolerate of sexual and social deviancies.

Personally I'm holding out for a return to the Papal States. It's going to be glorious.

Blogger Jew613 September 20, 2016 11:13 AM  

I have a question about Milo for the Catholics here. Milo is a practicing Catholic, but also an open homosexual. Can he receive communion or act as a Deacon in the church despite his sexual behavior?

Anonymous Minack September 20, 2016 11:13 AM  

I can understand wanting to enforce ideological or racial purity before a campaign or after victory, but you don't start culling allies in the midst of battle -- certainly not allies that are busy disrupting the enemy.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 11:14 AM  

How divide and conquer works:

1. Identify the subdivisions
2. Identify their common interests and differing interests
3. Put the different interests in opposite directions, remove the common interest, polarize and separate
4. Quickly crush the more offensive, least defensive group(s)
5. Slowly crush the more defensive group(s)

Current example:

The alt-right is basically made up of the alt-lite, the alt-white, and the alt-west. Their common interest is self-defense against Umbrella zombies. The alt-lites also want to go full libertardian, the alt-whites furthermore want to go full Nazi, and the alt-west wants to go full Spanish Inquisition.

Libertardians favor Milo, the Spanish Inquisition considers him an ally, and the Nazis consider him an enemy. In terms of public acceptance (4GW defensibility), we have alt-lite > alt-west > alt-white, whereas in terms of offensive capability it's the opposite. If the alt-whites break ranks from this polarization (alienation), they are guaranteeing that the enemy will crush them without allies to back them up or public backlash. Who cares if purity-spiraling Nazi spergs get SWATed?

Without the offensive group, the other groups have lost their best weapons. At that point, the slow march resumes.

The moral of the story is: win first. Survive. Then we can go separate ways and purity spiral to our hearts' content.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 20, 2016 11:15 AM  

"Well, you could start with Heartiste's Nazi sperg brigade, but then we just start trading anecdotes. Granted, Hitler was a childless gamma loser in person, so I don't know if you can expect much more from his devoted whackos."

I'm pretty sure I can expect more, because I've seen a lot more of the Alt-White than a few disjointed spergs who need to stop being blackpill faggots and start even lifting.

"Milo is good for waking people up about feminism, PCism, etc.

But people should then move on after that to a more advanced understanding of reality.

Milo is like Alt-Right kindergarten. You have to learn to count before you can do calculus."

There we go. I'm willing to put up with a little cancer from hearing him say "The Alt-Right is about equality" if we get to steal his audience afterwards.

Anonymous johnc September 20, 2016 11:16 AM  

@127

No and no in that order.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 11:19 AM  

tl;dr- Don't split the party Murdoch-chan!

Blogger Mountain Man September 20, 2016 11:25 AM  

"As for the attitude of the Alt-White; I can't help but wonder if that faction tends to attract Gammas."

Their icon - Hitler -was the biggest gamma of all. Historical stories painted a picture of man who always thought of himself as the secret king. His fellow soldiers in WW1 - hated him. Information I read once stated that it was mainly because he would argue incessantly with them, taking it personally when they disagreed and then would have hysterical meltdowns every time he received news that a battle had been lost.

Compare his actions and temperament to men like Lee, Jackson, Patton or even Napoleon.

Blogger S1AL September 20, 2016 11:27 AM  

"I'm pretty sure I can expect more, because I've seen a lot more of the Alt-White than a few disjointed spergs who need to stop being blackpill faggots and start even lifting."

'His' was referring to Hitler. Given that I'm not interested Western Civilization or American Civilization without Christianity, I find the (literal) pedestalization of a warmongering, genocidal German fruitcake to be worse than useless.

Moreover, while I understand the value of ethnicity as a basis for social cohesion, there's also the point Vox has made that there are at least three distinct ethnic groups with legitimate historical claims to this country. Any form of American nationalism, white or civic, will have to account for that.

Anonymous BGKB September 20, 2016 11:28 AM  

his own interviews, he's a homo rent boy who has made a lot of money and gotten a lot of "presents" for screwing rich, older queers.

Actually Obama was a bottom for old white guys at Chicago bathhouses. Reporter Kevin DuJan covered it.

"Feminism is cancer." Clearly good for the Jews.

I think rabbi B would agree it would be good for the jews if he could convert jewish lesbian gatekeepers into obedient wives.

Better idea - I'll say what I like, and little pricks like yourself will Titus is a size queen.

. Something just not right about that behavior, which is why I'm a little cautious about him. Should I not be?

Then don't sleep with him or let him baby sit for you. Also watch your drinks.

Milo is a practicing Catholic, but also an open homosexual. Can he receive communion or act as a Deacon in the church

HilLIARy's Kaine said the Catholic church will be blessing gay weddings

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 11:28 AM  

Hating on Hitler is shooting right. Is that how you talk to the ally that created Pepe? Shoot left.

Anonymous BGKB September 20, 2016 11:32 AM  

Their icon - Hitler -was the biggest gamma of all according to the book and movie by Moshe Cohen-Goldstienhiem. More germans died in the 5 years after WWII than during the war https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtQoSFJvAQU

Patton was killed 6 days after saying "we fought the wrong enemy"

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 11:33 AM  

@121 After all, I'm not "attacking" Milo - I'm merely pointing out that he's a starting point, not the end all.

That’s good. But you clearly haven’t reached the end yourself, because you haven’t connected the fact that 1) Vox (clearly) has some disagreements with Milo and yet 2) never says anything negative about him.

@123 You are the only one who has indicated that white nationalism=nazism , which makes me infer something about you.

(((DissidentRight)))? Anyway, you lie. I indicated no such thing.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 20, 2016 11:36 AM  

VD wrote:Is this a subtle shot at The Daily Shoah?

No. I'm talking about a few random WN on Twitter. They're so used to being alone and on the defensive they have no idea how to make allies or go on the attack.

Vox this alt west alt white thing is a divide and conquer strategy.

You have it backwards. I'm making the distinction in part to avoid conquering.

"One prominent figure in the alt-right is Theodore Beale, or Vox Day online. Beale doesn't directly threaten people, but he does regularly advocate for his readers to harass folks for him. Here's how he advised his readers to treat women like Jessica Valenti, a writer for The Guardian whom he happens to dislike:"

I think it's cute they think I know who Jessica Valenti is, much less have a specific opinion about her. It would be like naming the cockroaches in your basement as you spray for them.


That's awesome:

"Hi Coffin Hill! Bye Coffin Hill."
"Hi Angela! Bye Angela."
"Hi Soros! Bye Soros."

Pretty sure the fun would have worn off long before you ever got to picking "Jessica" out of thin air.

Blogger Mountain Man September 20, 2016 11:42 AM  

"It would be like naming the cockroaches in your basement as you spray for them."

Classic ! I plan on working this into my toolbox of sarcastic responses. Credit will be given.

Blogger Mountain Man September 20, 2016 11:46 AM  

Patton was killed 6 days after saying "we fought the wrong enemy"

I believe that was made in response to what took place at Yalta. He wanted to take the war straight to Leningrad. He was also noted for saying that the Russians -despite the white complexion - were not white but asian and thus could not be trusted.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 12:01 PM  

But he is a flagrant homosexual who wallows and takes pride in it, or at least pretends to. Something just not right about that behavior, which is why I'm a little cautious about him. Should I not be?

You should be cautious of any public figure, particularly one as charismatic of Milo. I don't have a problem with anyone being cautious of me, for that matter.

But Milo has stood up for me in ways you cannot know. I don't hesitate to do the same for him.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 20, 2016 12:03 PM  

111. VD September 20, 2016 10:55 AM
Wanna bet?



i'll put $10 on the sper ...

and he's gone.


124. 204 September 20, 2016 11:08 AM
But he is a flagrant homosexual who wallows and takes pride in it, or at least pretends to.



he also expresses regret about it, or at least pretends too.

which side is he playing?

or, more aptly, which side is he playing MORE?

i suspect that at a very deep level, Milo is primarily tired of the Feminist over reach and is fighting that. although the whole "muh Muslims" thing the Left has going on also concerns him safety wise.



127. Jew613 September 20, 2016 11:13 AM
Can he receive communion or act as a Deacon in the church despite his sexual behavior?



he's living in not merely unrepentant but open sin.

so, no, NOT IF the priest actually takes dispensation of the Eucharist seriously.

unfortunately, there are priests all over the world giving the Host to advocates of abortion ( the Kennedys, John Kerry, etc ) which have no problem shitting all over the body of Christ and who will give communion to these people anyways.

so while the 'correct religious answer' is NO, Milo can almost certainly find a Church which will permit him to partake.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 12:03 PM  

I'm merely pointing out that he's a starting point, not the end all. I think it's abundantly clear from what I've said on here so far that I think Milo is useful. Which means I'm not "against" him. I just don't think people should *stop* with him.

I don't disagree. Frankly, I don't even know what you two are on about.

Blogger Marie September 20, 2016 12:03 PM  

Milo saw an opportunity and turned it into a payday and publicity. I don't begrudge him that. He's a novelty. His usefulness will decrease as the culture shifts.

But Milo is so inconsistent that some distrust is warranted. He claims there is a problem with our culture but he kisses another man for the tv cameras and brags about the sex he prefers.

His personal views may be closer to the right than the left but he still has his own agenda.

If he were my ally, I'd keep a close eye on him.

Blogger Mjolnir ThunderBliss September 20, 2016 12:07 PM  

You agitating prick @DissidentRight. There are pragmatic reasons for why I don't think Milo should be granted any kind of leadership or official acknowledgement of AltRight status. First of all we are a decentralized group, and lending him any legitimicy other than supporting his vocalisation of our ideas, would be like making Kim Kardashian Trumps campaign manager. It could totally taint the movement in the eyes of the broader public during a short span of time. This dude is some kind of freak freelancer, certainly not altright.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 20, 2016 12:09 PM  

" 'His' was referring to Hitler. Given that I'm not interested Western Civilization or American Civilization without Christianity, I find the (literal) pedestalization of a warmongering, genocidal German fruitcake to be worse than useless."

I know what you meant. And don't punch right at Hitler like that. He dindu nuffin. He was a good boy, on his way to art school, just trying to restore traditional values to his country.

"Moreover, while I understand the value of ethnicity as a basis for social cohesion, there's also the point Vox has made that there are at least three distinct ethnic groups with legitimate historical claims to this country. Any form of American nationalism, white or civic, will have to account for that."

And some ethnicities get along with each other better than others, and there's been some blending, and there's some strong supra-ethnic identities such as Southern nationalism, and so on. None of this is news. The Alt-White has the whole spectrum from people who think the U.S. should fracture into a dozen distinct nations to Richard Spencer who thinks that the whole of Europe should unite under a common pan-European identity. It allows for healthy and vibrant debates. Diversity is truly our strength.

Blogger S1AL September 20, 2016 12:20 PM  

"I know what you meant. And don't punch right at Hitler like that. He dindu nuffin. He was a good boy, on his way to art school, just trying to restore traditional values to his country."

See, I don't consider Hitler to be on the "right". However, we've wandered a bit far afield from the original point, which is that lamenting the decline of the West but not contributing to it in the form of progeny is hypocritical - particularly if you're of the alt-White branch. Lamenting the decline of American Civilization and pedestalizing Hitler is also hypocritical. Let Germany deal with Germany's... history, I guess you can say.

Blogger Mjolnir ThunderBliss September 20, 2016 12:20 PM  

But let me clarify, to the extent that he can be proven to further & promote the aim of reviving racial realism, I support him. I just don't think Milo will be more to 'us' than a cultural clusterbomb that made the US College kids more receptive to the idea of anti PC. When that becomes a new norms, then what will he occupy his faggoty time with?

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 12:22 PM  

You agitating prick

Triggered?

should be granted any kind of leadership or official acknowledgement of AltRight status [...] lending him any legitimicy

The Alt Right has no leaders or officials. We have no "legitimacy" to "lend". You want to micromanage something that doesn't exist. Why?

It could totally taint the movement in the eyes of the broader public during a short span of time

Yes, the (((public))) is up in arms at Milo's defense of Holocaust memes.

certainly not altright.

I'm sure the normies will be deeply impressed by your disavowal, and naturally [jump into your bed] join your movement. #whiteknight

Anonymous Deplorable Jack Amok September 20, 2016 12:22 PM  

In terms of public acceptance (4GW defensibility), we have alt-lite > alt-west > alt-white, whereas in terms of offensive capability it's the opposite.

I have to disagree with you on the offensive capability part. GG and Milo have made the best offensive assaults, and they're Alt-Lite. Trump is set up to make the biggest offensive gains yet, and he's Alt-West. The Alt-White has - pretty much by definition - the smallest potential reach as they are only White people, and the majority of White people are self-conscious about identifying as White.

The Alt-White should embrace and support the assaults of the other Alt-xxx groups, because those groups are breaking down the PC narrative that currently limits the Alt-White's reach.

Anonymous BGKB September 20, 2016 12:26 PM  

but he kisses another man for the tv cameras and brags about the sex he prefers

But that man was Gavin McGuiness , no worry about people turning gay after seeing that. I am not even sure if he has black boyfriends or just claims to for cover. I have had Hispanic exes but might have to make up a fake golden didndu one.

Anonymous Deplorable Jack Amok September 20, 2016 12:28 PM  

i suspect that at a very deep level, Milo is primarily tired of the Feminist over reach and is fighting that. although the whole "muh Muslims" thing the Left has going on also concerns him safety wise.

I suspect he's also smart enough to realize the SJW crowd is in constant need of an enemy to attack and don't have any rhyme or reason to who they go after, so it's perfectly likely they'll eventually turn on gays. Especially with the "muh muzzies" angle.

He knows they're fundamentally insane and no lifestyle, culture, hobby or anything else is safe if they have power.

Blogger CarpeOro September 20, 2016 12:28 PM  

Didn't bother to read all the comments, but I noted a number of teen troll-wannabes (Islam called and wants Algebra back?) and pretty useless bashing of Milo by some. Do I agree with any of his life-style choices? Not particularly. I do find common ground with him on observing the authoritarianism of SJWs, progs, feminists, etc cannot continue. I also agree on just wanting to be left alone and recognizing my life choices may not be appreciated by all, but as long as I don't try to impose them on all it isn't a problem. Would I hold up his lifestyle choices as ones to emulate? No. But when there are people actively snipping at me I find it very easy to prioritize issues. No enemies to the right - and I'll define where that starts for myself, being a leader of the teh Alt-Right and all.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 12:30 PM  

When that becomes a new norms, then what will he occupy his faggoty time with?

That must be what Charles Martel was thinking right before he charged into battle.

"Kyrie Elision, what if we win...and then something bad happens?"

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 20, 2016 12:37 PM  

I don't get the fan-club for Hitler - not even if one is 100% pure-blood German. At the end of the day, he managed to fail disastrously. Hitler made the EUSSR and Merkel possible. He didn't need an empire to make Germany strong enough to stand on its own. Imperialism is really the flip-side of the globalist coin. I think there is also a difference between nationalism and supremacism (which was used as justification for imperialism).

As for Milo, he seems to be fighting the SJWs. He doesn't claim to be Alt-Right, or Alt-White. Spencer used the term fellow-traveler which seems pretty accurate. He's damaging our enemies so it seems very counterproductive to waste enemy attacking him from the right. Guess part of the problem lies in determining a dividing line to separate enemies from non-enemies. Yes, entryism is a serious problem as we saw with the Tea-Party and the whole 'conservative' lie started with William F. Cuckley, whose purge of the Birchers was the first sign of an enemy in the camp.

Anonymous TLM September 20, 2016 12:40 PM  

The sassy fag thing has been done before, Milo is just the current reincarnation of that bit. And he seems perfect for the college tour circuit, but not much more. Queers, like the scorpion, will eventually sting the frog, or in this case Pepe. Milo is likely no different than any other homo that eventually turns his back on whatever vehicle he is using at the time to promote himself after the limelight fades. It's what they all do.

Blogger Lew Rand September 20, 2016 12:42 PM  

Slight OT but people are back to claiming any generic republican would be up by 20 points.

I think this is related as they seem to forget the Overton window shift that Trump has made reality and just assume that everything that has changed in America would be exactly the same if DJT had never existed.

Without someone to actually open the conversation up, all us libertopians could do was act like "Just a little more time and people will wake up and realize freedom is the best thing". Milo and Trump are allowing conversations that the Alt-White and libertarians have been dreaming of for years.

In wierder news, arguing with my very liberal mom over TvH and it came down to she expects the world to go to hell very soon and would rather our government not be disrupted while it happens.. Not sure I have a good answer for that. (Then again most liberals are very selfish in their outlook and would rather play with fire if they think they can control it)

Blogger Mjolnir ThunderBliss September 20, 2016 12:45 PM  

@DissidentRight Not necessarily, normalizing anti-pc sentiment is only where the battle begins, you think all those frothing leftists are going to just accept reality all of a sudden, just because this guy introduced a couple of mindboggles into their heads? Unless that is you think the product of the last 50 years of Social Academia is just ready to come crumbling down like a house of cards. I would surely like that to be true, but I doubt it.

We should be clear about certain things. AltRight wants radical culture change, and it's not going to be achieved simply by breaking the surface of PC culture. Last time I checked there were billionaires funding these things & planning widespread censorship.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 20, 2016 12:48 PM  

Shimshon wrote:What about Milo do they disapprove of? His flamboyance? Fabulousness? Does what they do rise to friendly fire? I thought only the left and cucks resorted to tone policing.

Don't know how much you frequent other corners of the Alt-Right (as attacks on Milo are rare here) but the opposition to Milo comes from two main vectors: a) Christians who are pissed off by his fabulousness; and b) White Nationalists who think he's a Jewish entryist there to blow up things from within.

Anonymous llsepher September 20, 2016 12:48 PM  

Sometimes I wonder if it was actually a saving grace that Milo was taken off Twitter when he was. He had the influence and growing popularity to make The Alt-Right about whatever he wanted to, and it seems more and more likely he would still to this to be branding it civic nationalist. That is a serious problem, but only if it proceeds unabated for long enough into the forming of the movement. As it stands right now most people need to be eased into the Alt-Right. Race is a hot button. The Alt-Right is this odd space were you can identify as a civic nationalist Alt-Litey and then suddenly come to the realization that this hip tentatively socially acceptable ideology you now identify with also supports ethnic nationalism. It is then just a short hop, skip, and leap to adopting those more extreme positions of the Alt-Right for themselves.

Anonymous GreyS September 20, 2016 12:55 PM  


Funny that the same people who want to oust him are the ones who think using Nazi imagery is a good idea. This is a sociocultural war and Milo is useful to break down barriers and social taboos. Like him or not-- he is winning and he is effective. He knows how the socio game is played and is scoring points in droves. Contrast that with f-ing idiots who think they can rehabilitate the perception of the Nazis if they just explain it properly. The Nazi thing is forever an 'L' in this war. Heck-- Anything German outside of Germany is an 'L' in this war. Find other ways. And don't worry right now about Milo's homosexual stuff. He is making it one heck of a lot easier to be able to publicly criticize-- and even to vilify-- the homosexual agenda in the future. That's not his aim of course but the way he handles himself against the media and against critics is instructive and others will be able to follow his example in subject areas he avoids.

Anonymous Dale Warner September 20, 2016 12:58 PM  

Great take-down of SJW supremacists by Milo.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 12:59 PM  

Deplorable Jack Amok wrote: In terms of public acceptance (4GW defensibility), we have alt-lite > alt-west > alt-white, whereas in terms of offensive capability it's the opposite.

I have to disagree with you on the offensive capability part. GG and Milo have made the best offensive assaults, and they're Alt-Lite.


GG was a consumer revolt and a defensive success. Milo's schtick is that his identity is unassailable.

Trump is set up to make the biggest offensive gains yet, and he's Alt-West.

Trump is a silverback gorilla who, by circumstance, has picked America as his pack.

The Alt-White has - pretty much by definition - the smallest potential reach as they are only White people, and the majority of White people are self-conscious about identifying as White.

They invent weapons like meme magic. They are offensively oriented. They are effective.

The Alt-White should embrace and support the assaults of the other Alt-xxx groups, because those groups are breaking down the PC narrative that currently limits the Alt-White's reach.

Every man's shield should cover the man on his right.

Blogger Robert What? September 20, 2016 1:02 PM  

Ironically humorous that a flamingly homosexual Jewish dude has become the face of White Nationalism for the Mess Media.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 1:04 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:I don't get the fan-club for Hitler

Doesn't matter. The alt-whiters care a lot about him, so taking shots at him is going to alienate them just like I'm alienated when they take shots at Jesus.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 20, 2016 1:09 PM  

154. CarpeOro September 20, 2016 12:28 PM
(Islam called and wants Algebra back?)



they can have it.

Babylonia was doing quadratic equations in a Base60 system 3,000 years before Muhammed was fucking children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation#History

Muslim 'Algebra' is a regression from what Babylon was doing.

apart from propagating the Base10 numbering system ( which they stole from the Indians ), Islam hasn't accomplished anything novel.

Blogger S1AL September 20, 2016 1:13 PM  

"Doesn't matter. The alt-whiters care a lot about him, so taking shots at him is going to alienate them just like I'm alienated when they take shots at Jesus."

That's never going to stop. The Nazis hated Christianity. Hitler's inner circle has competing visions about how to do it, but the elimination of Christianity was explicitly on the to-do list. Nazism and Hitler-pedestalization are fundamentally and unavoidably anti-Christian.

Perhaps you can find that palatable in the interim. I do not, and cannot.

Blogger Escoffier September 20, 2016 1:14 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:How divide and conquer works:

1. Identify the subdivisions

2. Identify their common interests and differing interests

3. Put the different interests in opposite directions, remove the common interest, polarize and separate

4. Quickly crush the more offensive, least defensive group(s)

5. Slowly crush the more defensive group(s)

Current example:

The alt-right is basically made up of the alt-lite, the alt-white, and the alt-west. Their common interest is self-defense against Umbrella zombies. The alt-lites also want to go full libertardian, the alt-whites furthermore want to go full Nazi, and the alt-west wants to go full Spanish Inquisition.

Libertardians favor Milo, the Spanish Inquisition considers him an ally, and the Nazis consider him an enemy. In terms of public acceptance (4GW defensibility), we have alt-lite > alt-west > alt-white, whereas in terms of offensive capability it's the opposite. If the alt-whites break ranks from this polarization (alienation), they are guaranteeing that the enemy will crush them without allies to back them up or public backlash. Who cares if purity-spiraling Nazi spergs get SWATed?

Without the offensive group, the other groups have lost their best weapons. At that point, the slow march resumes.

The moral of the story is: win first. Survive. Then we can go separate ways and purity spiral to our hearts' content.


Here's my question: if you plot the three flavors of alt right on a venn diagram what is in the center?

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 20, 2016 1:17 PM  

156. Gen. Kong September 20, 2016 12:37 PM
I don't get the fan-club for Hitler



allow me to explain:
he triggers the FUCK out of Leftists.

dialectically, yes, all of these things are true:
1 - Hitler self associated as a member of the Socialist Workers Party ... he is of the Left or 'Left' has no meaning
2 - Mao and Stalin were both far more murderous than Hitler ever thought about being ( Hitler only wanted to murder the ~2% of the population that was Jewish )
3 - this homicidal mania is rooted in the Communist Manifesto ( the Proletarians are to utterly destroy all competing classes ) and comes directly from ((( Marx )))

all of that is irrelevant in the face of the rhetorical effectiveness of Jew-Oven Pepe.

OpenID aew51183 September 20, 2016 1:18 PM  

@1 the Trump family seems to be naturally and genetically predisposed to this. The skittles meme the left is going rabid over is a re-packaging of their rabidly hateful M&M's poster bashing men during the #YesAllWomen campaign. It's driving them mad.

Anonymous DissidentRight September 20, 2016 1:22 PM  

@159 Mjolnir Not necessarily, normalizing anti-pc sentiment is only where the battle begins

Yes, that is obvious.

We should be clear about certain things.

Why? The Left did not win by clarifying their intentions up front. What makes you think we will? I understand the impulse perfectly, because I have to fight it all the time. Obviously we want radical culture change. How does it help us to make that “clear”? Milo changes the culture. Memeing changes the culture. “Clarifying that we want to change the culture” is a waste of time.

Or perhaps I have completely misinterpreted you.

Unless that is you think the product of the last 50 years of Social Academia is just ready to come crumbling down like a house of cards.

No. There will be war. How does it help us to make that “clear”?

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 20, 2016 1:25 PM  

" The skittles meme the left is going rabid over is a re-packaging "

And the typical lying untruthfulness of the MSM is giving me my 19 millionth headache. The hed I keep seeing them run with is like, "Trump Calls Refugees Poison Skittles". A truthful hed (which we'll never see) would say something like "Trump Makes Sound Illustration Based on Probability Theory."

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 20, 2016 1:27 PM  

Alt-Lite figures are useful now, but it will come to an end.

Anonymous BGKB September 20, 2016 1:28 PM  

First the govt was landing C-130s on MLK Blvd handing out free crack now they are doing it with free crates of guns. Why can I never get in on deals like this.
http://www.activistpost.com/2016/09/gang-members-implicate-u-s-govt-dumping-crates-guns-chicago.html

When that becomes a new norms, then what will he occupy his faggoty time with?

His secrete plan for after we drive out all the 3rd world savage moslems is to remove welfare so he can have black boyfriends on the cheap.

OT:Shitlibs shitlib over 13 star Betsy Ross flag of hate http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/22785

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 20, 2016 1:40 PM  

Bob K. Mando's point is true about how even the name of "Hitler" triggers leftists like crazy. Even a polite debate among rightists about his strong-points (he kicked leftist asses and effectively rebuilt a looted country) and weak-points (he was a megalomanic who refused to listen to good advice) is more than enough to get them frothing like rabid dogs. On the face of it, one would think Hitler would be a useful rhetorical tool, but there might be other factors working against it which trump the ability to get SJW's frothing - especially as there are just so many things that do this at present.

Blogger L' Aristokrato September 20, 2016 1:42 PM  

I don't know much about Milo, so my comment does not relate to him specifically.

The problem with the 'Lite' side is the risk of misrepresenting and/or diluting an ideology which is fundamentally nationalist and identitarian into another lukewarm, middle-of-the-road and ultimately meaningless "anti-SJW" type ideology.

As with GamerGate, which went from trying to push back against Leftist takeover in media to "it's about ethics in games jornalism"...

And yeah, if we ever get vapid Sargon-of-Mossad type e-celebs trying to identify as part of the movement, it will be it's deathknell.

Anonymous GreyS September 20, 2016 1:44 PM  

I don't get the fan-club for Hitler

It's so lame. Reminds me of a spergy kid who fixates on some movie villain because the villain killed a lot and had power-- and he thinks the fixation makes him cool.

The H-white are a tiny group of boxed-in, self-restrictive thinkers who cant come up with anything more worthwhile for their race. It's laughable that they actually believe they are the cream of the genetic crop. Anyone that f-ing unimaginative deserves to be conquered.

Blogger lowercaseb (Soft as Pudding) September 20, 2016 1:48 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:I don't get the fan-club for Hitler

If it wasn't for him, we would have never been able to win the war against Germany.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 20, 2016 1:49 PM  

mjolnir
There are pragmatic reasons for why I don't think Milo should be granted any kind of leadership or official acknowledgement of AltRight status

So if Milo actually came out in public and said "I'm not the leader of the alt-Right" would you finally be happy and get your panties untwisted?

Yeah, direct question.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 20, 2016 1:52 PM  

"I don't get the fan-club for Hitler - not even if one is 100% pure-blood German. At the end of the day, he managed to fail disastrously. Hitler made the EUSSR and Merkel possible. He didn't need an empire to make Germany strong enough to stand on its own. Imperialism is really the flip-side of the globalist coin. I think there is also a difference between nationalism and supremacism (which was used as justification for imperialism)."

You're approaching it from the direction of understanding the path of history. Which is valid.

Approaching it from the direction of psychological warfare, "Hitler Nazi Holocaust" is one of the most powerful psychological weapons the (((Left))) has. So on the one hand, those of lower rank have rankled for years at how everybody who represents their interests rolls over and dies at the first suggestion that "OK, but isn't what your saying sort of related to something Hitler said?" So they are enthusiastic about fighting back against this tactic.

On the other hand, many of higher rank recognize (whether they worship Hitler or not) that defusing this psychological weapon is strategically useful, so they spread Hitler worship to leverage their followers into fighting back.

Andrew Anglin's style, for an extreme example, is entirely based on the idea of presenting the most extreme ideas without nuance and with tons of lowbrow humor to appeal to the lowest common denominator so that even the dumbest spergs can follow along. Because most people are incapable of following narratives like what you described. However, even dumb Twitter trolls can be herded by leaders into vaguely going in the same direction, so he leverages them a couple times a day by posting Twitter handles for them to spam with Nazi Pepes.

You know all those Jews and cucks who have been whining about mean racist Nazi memes on Twitter and getting the ADL to form task groups to shut down free speech? Go back a day or two from when each of them started whining, and you'll find a Daily Stormer article about something they wrote. Other Alt-White factions do the same thing constantly.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty who actually do respect and honor Hitler for taking decisive action when his people were in danger, and blame the strength of the golems of International Jewry for his failure. But understanding the narratives of 70-year-old history is a separate issue from fighting a psychological 4GW for racial survival.

Blogger Paul September 20, 2016 1:54 PM  

Our Cucking Boy wants to bask in the Milo facial without having to swallow:

"I have no interest in anything Milo Yiannopoulos has to say. But I am going to go to his speech, if only to support by my presence his right to speak at my alma mater. When I was an undergraduate there, I was the main guy who brought Sixties radical Abbie Hoffman to campus to speak."

Maybe if he shows up, someone will ask OCB about one of his books on camera.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 20, 2016 1:55 PM  

Lew Rand
In wierder news, arguing with my very liberal mom over TvH and it came down to she expects the world to go to hell very soon and would rather our government not be disrupted while it happens.. Not sure I have a good answer for that.

Well, I do. HAH, HAH, HAH, HAH, (slap knee) HAWHAHHAAW
(gasp for breath) "That's a good one, Ma! Now I'll tell one.
(serious face) "I'm from the government, and I'm HERE to HELP YOU!"

Really, that's just a woman insecurely fretting, it's not even rhetoric. It's what they do in their spare time.

Blogger Markku September 20, 2016 1:55 PM  

The MSM is doing exactly what we want on Skittles. Was there ever a chance of them saying "Trump just made a very interesting analogy with Skittles"? Of course not. What they could have done was to either ignore it, or froth in the mouth about it. And the latter is so much better because a significant percentage of those who read the headline, will want to read the actual quote. Not because they doubt the article's honesty, but because they want a weapon against their annoying Trump-supporting acquaintances. And then, they are exposed to the real analogy. Just the way we wanted.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 20, 2016 1:58 PM  

Escoffier

Here's my question: if you plot the three flavors of alt right on a venn diagram what is in the center?



As leader of the alt-Right, obviously you.

Blogger Noah B September 20, 2016 2:07 PM  

Milo is doing a great job of directing fire at the enemy. He's also getting the support and attention of people who would otherwise not be paying attention to anything alt-right related, so in that sense he might be a gateway drug. While he does promote and draw a great deal of attention to himself, I feel like he's also honest about the way he does it.

Many of his statements about the alt-right are so wrong that I believe he must be intentionally lying to the left about us. And I'm OK with that if that works. Most of those who are angry at Milo believe that his statements about us will become reality. All I can say is that hopefully that won't be the case, but we'll see.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 2:15 PM  

S1AL wrote:"Doesn't matter. The alt-whiters care a lot about him, so taking shots at him is going to alienate them just like I'm alienated when they take shots at Jesus."

That's never going to stop. The Nazis hated Christianity. Hitler's inner circle has competing visions about how to do it, but the elimination of Christianity was explicitly on the to-do list. Nazism and Hitler-pedestalization are fundamentally and unavoidably anti-Christian.

Perhaps you can find that palatable in the interim. I do not, and cannot.


Nazism is the German stress response. The main thing right now is to keep Hitler's eyes on Stalin.

Let's be real for a minute: the American Civil War was just another fight between Germans and English. Germans believe in national unity because that's the genetic strategy of a continental nation, and the English believe in tradition because that's the genetic strategy of an island nation. The German stress response in 1865 was triggered by English separatism.

We need to hold off on Round 2 for just a bit longer.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 2:18 PM  

Being Irish, my stress response is to impulsively fight whatever's closest, obviously.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 2:20 PM  

The English stress response, naturally, is to write a scathing letter full of pedigree and historical anecdotes.

Blogger S1AL September 20, 2016 2:27 PM  

"Being Irish, my stress response is to impulsively fight whatever's closest, obviously."

I, on the other hand, have a genetic heritage from almost every European country that contributed significantly to the U.S. population, plus some Amerind and what appears to possibly be trace Magyar. Plus the whole "psychologically atypical" thing that makes tribal identity impossible for me. I had to learn about identity politics/social behavior by observation. Fun times.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 2:28 PM  

Escoffier wrote:Here's my question: if you plot the three flavors of alt right on a venn diagram what is in the center?

Belgium.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 20, 2016 3:00 PM  

177. L' Aristokrato September 20, 2016 1:42 PM
The problem with the 'Lite' side is the risk of misrepresenting and/or diluting an ideology


the advantage with the 'Lite' side is that they muddy the waters about what to attack, thereby diluting and blunting the attack
AND
that they present a new hydra head to the establishment which makes it appear that this is a mass and popular movement. ( yes, i know it's actually true, just bear with me )

seriously, it's EXACTLY THE SAME TACTIC THE LEFT HAS BEEN USING FOR +100 YEARS, only it's organic on this side.

how long is it going to take you to learn?

Blogger L' Aristokrato September 20, 2016 3:24 PM  

@192

That's meaningless if the movement loses it's core as identitarian and nationalist.
It will simply become another Potemkim 'opposition' which plays by the Left's rules of universalism.

In much the exact same way we just witnessed, in real time, Libertarianism be consumed and become yet another twisted branch of Liberalism.

Don't misanderstand me.
I am very much pro-lite and i like it that the Alt-Right is an umbrella, big tent type of thing. Also, i'm not silly enough to think any one specific branch of it would ever get everyone on board and arguing as much is a losing proposition.
I'm simply warning against the possibility of dilution, corruption and loss of message; Which will lead to defeat.

Anonymous zack September 20, 2016 3:24 PM  

Question for all the Hitler haters. How many people here have read Mein Kampf and better yet how many people here would be intelligent enough to understand it? If you have to wonder about why people might not be so quick to jump on the Hitler hate wagon, either read his book or learn your history. Either way your eyes might be opened if you aren't too quick to belittle and swallow 70 years of Jewish propaganda.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 20, 2016 3:37 PM  

@193 Libertarians and cuckservatives did not know who their enemy is, and could not recognize the lies of their enemies for the deadly weapons which they are.

Do you expect many of the Alt-Right who have seen the light, to slide back left?

The only thing we can expect them to co-opt is the name... in which case, do you think those of the True Alt-Right will give up?

The black pill is a strong drug, and should never be taken without a chaser.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 20, 2016 3:39 PM  

@194 Hitler had his chance and failed. His failure is his own and no one else's. If he had stopped at annexing the Sudetenland, the world would be a different and probably much better place.

But he didn't...

Anonymous zack September 20, 2016 3:52 PM  

It could also be said that if the Jewish bankers didn't rally England and France to declare war on Germany the world would be a much better place.

But they did.....

Anonymous BGKB September 20, 2016 3:53 PM  

If we are lucky some of the big nevertrum jews will be called out before the election
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainment/articles/1128419/corey-haims-a-list-rapist-may-finally-be-named-what-took-so-long

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 20, 2016 4:14 PM  

zack, I want you, specifically, to learn the lesson from my comment @129. You will never convince Christians to love a Christ-hater, just as we can't convince you to love Christ. By trying you will make enemies out of allies.

Blogger Noah B September 20, 2016 4:17 PM  

@199 You don't need to love Hitler in order to appreciate the breadth of lies that have been told about him.

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