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Wednesday, September 07, 2016

The Alt-Right big tent

Lawrence Murray's summary of the Alt-Right big tent has nine fewer points than mine, but I agree with all seven of them:
I would emphasize that by necessity the alt-right is a “big tent” philosophy. Ideally this means that it functions as an intellectual alliance between other philosophies that embrace most or all of its core principles. Therefore it is counter-productive for any of these philosophies attack one another more than they attack outside philosophies. Some people call this no enemies on the right or no enemies to the right, the latter being less inclusive, but what is most important ultimately is to not throw competent people who agree with you on major issues to the wolves. Having clear battle lines is crucial because it ensures we are our own moral authority rather than a third party that is opposed to most or all of our beliefs, which is a major problem if not the problem  with the mainstream right.

1) People are different. Human inequality is a fact of life and belief systems that deny this lead to distortion and oppression. Both individuals and populations vary in their characteristics in meaningful ways, such as intelligence and social behavior. One size does not fit all, not comfortably at least.

2) Our world is tribal. The struggle for survival which has produced all life on earth extends into biological human races, which both exist and matter to their members. Such conflict is neither immoral nor moral, but a condition we must engage with in order to develop any meaningful philosophy or ideology. It can be found on the streets, in the human resources department, at the ballot box, or in the trenches. Even something as trivial as the Oscars is fought over. Though it is currently politically incorrect to acknowledge that races and their national subdivisions exist and compete for resources, land, and influence over one another or over themselves, that does not mean the struggle has stopped. That one side has been cajoled into not struggling does not mean it is left alone.

3) Our tribe is being suppressed. The new left doctrine of racial struggle in favor of non-whites only, a product of decolonization and the defeat of nationalists by egalitarians after WWII, must be repudiated and Whites must be allowed to take their own side in their affairs.A value system that says Whites are not allowed to have collective interests and literally every other identity group can do so and ought to do so is unacceptable.
The key observation is the seventh one. There is a vast range of opinions across the Alt-Right with regards to the Jewish Question. The hardcore 1488ers would just as soon complete the Final Solution, while on the other end of the spectrum, there are Alt-Right Jews who enthusiastically sign on to all of my 16 Points. As per Point 5, I think Jewish nationalism is every bit as valid and meritorious as that of the sovereign American Indian tribes or White nationalism, and therefore am an open supporter of Israel as the ancestral homeland of the Jewish nation.

But regardless, the entire Alt-Right, from Ultra 1488er to ethno-religious Israeli, can, in clean conscience, readily agree to Murray's seventh point of concurrence: "Jewish elites are opposed to our entire program."

The most certain sign that the Alt-Right will be relevant in the future is that a number of (((entryists)))) are already clamoring to be a part of it. My perspective is that if you feel the need to ask, the answer is no. If you're looking for inclusivity and permission and goodfeelz, or sperging out about pedantics and structure, you'll do better with the SJWs. They'll be happy to tell you exactly what to do, think, and say. Regardless, I'm neither the Alt-Right Police nor a political taxonomist, so don't ask me who is or is not what. I am happy to support anyone whose actions are generally in line with the 16 Points I laid out.

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Blogger dc.sunsets September 07, 2016 8:20 AM  

Alt-right seems like a gathering place for the rapidly growing population of people who can no longer accept the totalitarian Bizarro World dogma of the Equals Temple.

In this regard, it coalesced as "home" for those with the independence of mind to see the hag behind the curtain (our Equals Temple is clearly run by hags who hate men and hate women who don't hate men, and who settle for cats only when hapless minorities won't consent to be their pets.)

Those with such independence of mind need not ask for admittance. It's like walking into a bar. You either belong and know it, or GTFO.

Blogger Shimshon September 07, 2016 8:26 AM  

"I put a lot of effort and time into this movement. It would suck to be excluded from it."

This kind of language betrays a lack of understanding and good will. As Vox might say, "start your own $^*&&%$##)((* movement."

Blogger praetorian September 07, 2016 8:29 AM  

Lawrence Murray is a national treasure.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 07, 2016 8:34 AM  

5) Freedom is not a right, it's a responsibility.

Here he nails it. The right to life is not the right to take your neighbor's property in order to sustain your life. In our libertine Leftist Utopia, people are free to dump as much of their detritus as they wish upon the backs of their neighbors.

My sons, all highly intelligent & productive, must support two (or three!) children for every kid they sire with their wives. It is simply astonishing how many kids show up in a grade school now where every sibling is actually a HALF-SIBLING, because momma pops out a new kid for each boyfriend-of-the-month (ON PURPOSE!)

This is irrespective of race (where I live is still majority white, so most of it is white trash.)

You cannot expect the best and brightest of a nation to have plenty of kids when they're burdened with paying for Latrina's 21 crack-addled SSDI lifers.

If people insist on behaving like zoo animals, there are TWO and only TWO solutions: Let Malthus take his due, or as a condition for being fed, clothed and sheltered the animals give up reproductive freedom.

The choice is between totalitarian control of chronically irresponsible people or letting them (most especially their kids) suffer the full, natural consequences of their choices.

The 3rd Way (today's approach) represents guaranteed collapse, sooner or later, as Idiocracy isn't a comedy.

Blogger Popa September 07, 2016 8:39 AM  

Off-topic:
What Saint Thomas Aquinas says about immigration.
http://www.returntoorder.org/2014/07/saint-thomas-say-immigration-2/

Blogger Doom September 07, 2016 8:40 AM  

dc.sunsets,

"Those with such independence of mind need not ask for admittance. It's like walking into a bar. You either belong and know it, or GTFO."

Oh, sure. And, I fit. Though some days I'm not sure I WANT to fit. Then again psychosis, I have heard it termed rightly or wrongly, isn't confusion with the truth, it's merely a sound rejection of it. Or... one form of that. I have finally come to the point where I don't have to like it, I just prefer to realize and deal with reality on it's natural terms. So... here I be. If, at times, a bit grumpy about it. Then again I like being grumpy often enough. Just some thoughts.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 07, 2016 8:51 AM  

I got one point; Freedom from the Holy Other.

Blogger Doom September 07, 2016 8:54 AM  

Which HO? I don't quite get that Mr.?

Blogger Nate September 07, 2016 8:55 AM  

"The hardest redpill to take is a suppository"

***chuckle***

nice.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 07, 2016 8:56 AM  

I now realize that Conservative and Liberal were merely the twin edges of the Globalist sword.

Nationalist is the most important thing.

Though it makes me uncomfortable to embrace National Socialists as allies; we have arrayed against us creatures that make Nazis look like the Baptist Women's Missionary Union.

Blogger Fenris Wulf September 07, 2016 8:59 AM  

It's interesting that even National Socialists agree that slavery was a terrible idea.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 07, 2016 9:00 AM  

Which ever one thinks he should have any sort of influence of any type over me who happens to be a white man. Truth be told I admire a great many of the "Other" but they should really at this point in time come to realize they need to quit the scam.

None of the scamsters are effected by any of our rigorous intellectual arguments but they understand this, "I want my freedom from you." It might hurt their feelings, it will probably anger them, some it will drive into delusions like our fellow ((whites)) but too fucking bad.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 9:10 AM  

I love the hypocrisy of point 7.

The main reason for the rise of alt-right is whites are tired of their skin color being treated as some kind of original sin.

Yet we have 1488-ers whose (((da joos))) tack-on has nothing what so ever to do with the alt-right's popularity pushing a double-standard in which they complain about "guilt by association" for whites but apply it with great alacrity to jews.

There are just as many cucky, churchian whites as there are cucky, anti-nationalist Jews. The only difference is Israel siphons off many non-cucks to a distinct ethno-state. If Texas had seceded in 1948, it too would have siphoned off non-cuck whites and the rest of the US would resemble California.

The entryists here are 1488, not nationalist jews.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 07, 2016 9:12 AM  

#13 which part of the 14 words do you disagree with?

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 9:13 AM  

Yet we have 1488-ers whose (((da joos))) tack-on has nothing what so ever to do with the alt-right's popularity pushing a double-standard in which they complain about "guilt by association" for whites but apply it with great alacrity to jews.

It's not a tack-on. The primary anti-nationalist force in the USA are the big Jewish organizations. You cannot be Alt-Right and reject the seventh point. Not successfully, anyhow, as that fails Sun Tzu's dictum to know your enemy.

The entryists here are 1488, not nationalist jews.

That is entirely false. They were among the first Alt-Righters.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 07, 2016 9:15 AM  

All of this will sort itself out soon enough. A well-kept secret is that a huge cohort of SSDI-lifers is coming up through the schools right now.

I don't know if it's something in the water, or in the food, or if it's simply the product of three generations of compound decivilization, but perhaps 25% of young people will soon be reaching adulthood without the ability to so much as man the counter at McDonalds.

Apocalypse Soon, indeed.

The rise of the Alt-Right is a signal that the last competitor is finally beginning to in-group (culturally-productive, capable white people, along with those not specifically of this group whose members realize they need us...e.g., middle- and upper-class blacks, Asians, etc..)

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 9:19 AM  

@14

I don't disagree with any of them. What part of the 14 words dictate jews as the enemy?

@15

"The primary anti-nationalist force in the USA are the big Jewish organizations"

False. Jews represent only a tiny percent of the electorate. Anti-nationalism is being driven by guilty whites, who make up the vast majority of SJW's and SJW-indoctrinees.

"That is entirely false. They were among the first Alt-Righters."

No, they weren't. I remember places like /pol/ when they first arose, and 1488 showed up later and was tolerated under the principles of freedom of speech.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 07, 2016 9:20 AM  

Preach it dc.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 9:25 AM  

"A well-kept secret is that a huge cohort of SSDI-lifers is coming up through the schools right now."

And the ones who aren't SSDI aren't much better.

There's stuff in the water. There's stuff in the stuff they call "food." The pills straight up stuff.

But most of all, there's stuff in the schools themselves. The minds of the current grade schoolers are mostly broken. Beyond repair.

Blogger Robert Divinity September 07, 2016 9:25 AM  

The entryists are used to controlling or destroying what they cannot control. This must be a rude awakening for them.

There are just as many cucky, churchian whites as there are cucky, anti-nationalist Jews.

Is the Churchian scum really trying to infiltrate? I see no evidence of it. There seems to be quite a few Jews who want to be part of the Alt-Right, and a substantial portion of them for reasons that have everything to do with domination.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 9:28 AM  

"Jews represent only a tiny percent of the electorate."

Affirming the point is not generally a good way to counter the point.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 07, 2016 9:28 AM  

Before the BUGSters and 1488ers showed up I'll bet any proto alt-right grouplet was sperg city, "let us wear them out with essays" types.

I'll believe you when you start firing at the frauds of "anti-racism" till then you sound like the tone police.

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 9:30 AM  

False. Jews represent only a tiny percent of the electorate. Anti-nationalism is being driven by guilty whites, who make up the vast majority of SJW's and SJW-indoctrinees.

You're wrong. Jews represent 43 percent of the top one percent. That is more significant than their percentage of the electorate. Anti-American nationalism has been driven by the Jews since at least the 1920s.

No, they weren't.

I'll ask Richard and find out. But regardless, there is no place for Jewish universalism, globalism, or Tikkun Olam in the Alt-Right. Those are all things we oppose.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 9:40 AM  

@20

"There seems to be quite a few Jews who want to be part of the Alt-Right, and a substantial portion of them for reasons that have everything to do with domination."

Yes, it couldn't possibly be survival.

Jews were calling to "remove kebab" years before they were on /pol/'s radar.

There are plenty of jews who understand precisely how much benefit white-run ethnostates have been to them, and who are legitimately grateful and alarmed at what international socialists are doing.

@23

"Jews represent 43 percent of the top one percent. That is more significant than their percentage of the electorate."

And Ashkenazim have a full standard deviation over whites in IQ. Are you saying this result is not consistent with high IQ?

"Anti-American nationalism has been driven by the Jews since at least the 1920s."

And anti-communism and nationalism have also been aided by Jews since at least the 1920's.
For every Mercuse you can find a Rand. This perception is driven by 2 factors:
1 - The frankfurters won the power struggle, at least in the west, and many opponents either fled to Israel or were otherwise marginalized.
2 - Humans will notice and prioritize threats over non-threats.

"regardless, there is no place for Jewish universalism, globalism, or Tikkun Olam in the Alt-Right"

And the Jews who seek out the alt-right are doing so because they also reject those principles, which also have nothing to do with judaism.

Blogger residentMoron September 07, 2016 9:40 AM  

"I put a lot of effort and time into this movement. It would suck to be excluded from it."

"The hardest redpill to take is a suppository"

Is this a theme?

I put time and effort into every movement, but I'm always happy to be rid of the results. With every flush.

@14

Just because people here admit the 1488ers as legitimately AltRight, doesn't mean we expect you to become one in order to be AltRight, nor does it mean we are 1488ers ourselves.

Clarity, eh?

Similarly, we recognise that self-appointed jewish organisations are our enemies, the enemies of Christendom and western civilisation, while we simultaneously recognise the right of jews to organise and advocate in defence of theor own interests.

We don't, OTOH, recognise their right to expect us to believe they can do that and call themselves Americans (or English, or French, etc) at the same time.

Some things are equivalent.

Some are merely compatible.

Some are neither.

Knowing which is which will save you a lot of time, blood, sweat, and tears.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 9:46 AM  

@25

"we recognise that self-appointed jewish organisations are our enemies, the enemies of Christendom and western civilisation"

This I can agree with, just like self-appointed organizations that represent women.

This doesn't make every woman the enemy, nor does it make every jew.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 07, 2016 9:46 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:perhaps 25% of young people will soon be reaching adulthood without the ability to so much as man the counter at McDonalds.
Cite?  (I'd bet that 90% of them are NAMs, so a great benefit to the USA if they get recolonized or just "lost" somehow.)

aew51183 wrote:Jews represent only a tiny percent of the electorate. Anti-nationalism is being driven by guilty whites
Carefully avoiding any mention of (((who))) produces the white-guilt propaganda.  Found the hasbara.

Blogger Shimshon September 07, 2016 9:47 AM  

"For every Mercuse you can find a Rand."

Was (((Rand))) a nationalist?!

Blogger residentMoron September 07, 2016 9:50 AM  

"This doesn't make every woman the enemy, nor does it make every jew."

Pretty sure that was my point, too.

Warning: Virtue Signal Incoming!

My wife is jewish. She'd be quite surprised to hear that I consider all jews my enemies.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 9:50 AM  

@28

She was certainly virulently anti-socialist.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 9:51 AM  

@27: "Cite?"

File it under "The truth we know but do not talk about."

Blogger residentMoron September 07, 2016 9:53 AM  

@30

That's not the same thing. She was an individualist before anything else.

Nationalism was an unremarked byproduct of her philosophy, as I recall.

Blogger residentMoron September 07, 2016 9:54 AM  

She's female, too!

Blogger Rusty Fife September 07, 2016 9:54 AM  

aew51183 wrote:1 - The frankfurters won the power struggle, at least in the west, and many opponents either fled to Israel or were otherwise marginalized.

Cool. That means those influential ones left in the West are our enemies and the ones in Israel are not. It makes everything much easier.

See, you are making our point for us.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 07, 2016 9:56 AM  

@26 Look, most everyone here know that NAJALT, but, in 'general' not 'individual', Jews are in fact a major driving force behind Globalism.

Knowing Jewish history, I understand why they are; and I even have a little empathy for them in this regard.

But, I must oppose them; even if it means wearing a uniform I dislike.

Blogger Jew613 September 07, 2016 9:57 AM  

Jews can be get along with the Alt-right, even be allies. But Jews will always be outsiders to the Alt-right as it's based on Nationalism and we have our own nationalist movement and state. It will always be seen as odd when Jews want to get involved with the Alt-right as why don't they fight for their own people?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 07, 2016 10:01 AM  

One good line from the linked essay:

Some proposals are modest, some are LARPy, and some won’t be LARPy for long.

Exactly. Let 10,000 Pepe's bloom. If some croak, others will take their place.

This may be essay that coins LARPy.

Blogger Eric Wilson September 07, 2016 10:01 AM  

Reading aew inches me ever closer to 1488. Talmudic reasoning becomes ever so grating once you can see it for what it is.

Blogger Shimshon September 07, 2016 10:02 AM  

My Jewish mother in law married a Scot-Irish protestant. I don't know how things are now, especially after the old generation has died off, but she was not well-liked or accepted with open arms when she met and then proceeded to marry her husband. Even though politically she was like them (pretty hard core Republican) and highly assimilated (duh).

My brother in law (wife's brother), who has no feelings of Jewishness at all (he is, according to Jewish law), was married for a time a Mormon. Her large family called him "The Jew" whenever he showed up at a family gathering (LOL). Like I said, he didn't even consider himself Jewish, and his two Orthodox sisters live in Israel. Yet they still knew, and wore their dislike on their sleeves.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 10:03 AM  

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Larpy

Anonymous C-Finstock September 07, 2016 10:03 AM  

Speaking of (((entryists)))...

Vox Day is not Alt-Right, nor is any (((Christian))).

Your Jew religion has no place in our movement. The Alt-Right is about will to power, not your pathetic slave morality. Real European men follow the Old Gods, if they follow any at all. We do NOT follow your ((()) creed invited by Jews.

it is high-time that we on the Alt-Right start asking the C-Q.

Take your "kike on a stick" and go elsewhere.

http://www.renegadetribune.com/the-oriental-infection/?print=print

But Christian ethics — the slave morality preached in the Roman catacombs — was like a time bomb ticking away in Europe — a Trojan horse brought inside the fortress, waiting for its season. That season came, and the damage was done. Today Christianity is one of the most active forces working from within to destroy the White race.

From the Christian churches came the notion of “the White man’s burden,” along with the missionaries who saw in every African cannibal or Chinese coolie a soul to be saved, of equal value in the eyes of Jehovah to any White soul. It is entirely a Christian impulse — at least, on the part of the average American voter, if not the government — which sends American food and medical supplies to keep alive swarming millions of Asiatics, Africans, and Latins every time they have a famine, so that they can continue to outbreed Whites.

The otherworldly emphasis on individual salvation, on an individual relationship between Creator and creature which relegates the relationship between individual and race, tribe, and community to insignificance; the doctrine of human irresponsibility (“be, therefore, not anxious about tomorrow,” for the Lord will provide); the inversion of natural values inherent in the exalting of the botched, the unclean, and the poor in spirit in the Sermon on the Mount — the injunction to “resist not evil” — all are prescriptions for racial suicide. Indeed, had a fiendishly clever enemy set out to concoct a set of doctrines intended to lead the White race to its destruction, he could hardly have done better.

The “White guilt” syndrome exploited so assiduously by America’s non-White minorities is a product of Christian teachings, as is the perverse reverence for “God’s chosen people” which has paralyzed so many Christians’ wills to resist Jewish depredations.

Blogger Markku September 07, 2016 10:05 AM  

Your Jew religion has no place in our movement.

Christianity will take over "your" movement. We'll come in, become the main force, and marginalize you. And you can't do anything about it. Just watch.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 10:06 AM  

@34 and @35

Re: Jewish institutions as the enemy:
Agreed, and that's why there are jews disgruntled at those institutions who want to sign on to a political philosophy willing to oppose them.
Which brings me to...
Re: NAJALT
Them main thrust of this blog is not an attack on jewish organizations, it's an assertion that "all jews are like that" and is calling the minority of individual jews who wish to sign on "entryists".

@36
"Jews can be get along with the Alt-right, even be allies. But Jews will always be outsiders..."

Exactly.

There are 2 camps of jews who are not already in Israel:
1 - international socialists (the enemy)
2 - Those who place nationalism to their current nation over that of Israel, and recognize the importance of white ethno-states in keeping the rest of the world from WTFKilling them. (those who disagree with camp 1 and wish to align with the alt-right)

This is why calling any jew who wishes to align with the alt-right an "entryist" is pre-mature.
The concept of ethno-centrism does not preclude open-eyed alliances. (As seen in the left with latino and black voting blocs)

Anonymous Thersites September 07, 2016 10:07 AM  

If i recall an article at ReturnofKings a couple months ago about the alt-right that discussion this. The complaint was the 1488ers were hijacking the movement, focusing on predominately on 'white' nationalism instead of tackle the numerous problems caused by the left. The one thing that the 1488ers were right about: the predominance of Jewish intellectuals in leftist movements that have screwed up the US and entire world.

Anonymous Axe Head September 07, 2016 10:08 AM  

Jews, neo-Cons, took over the right and kicked out a lot of rightists.

We won't let that happen again, kikes.

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 10:10 AM  

And Ashkenazim have a full standard deviation over whites in IQ. Are you saying this result is not consistent with high IQ?

Absolutely. It has very little, if anything to do with high IQ. It is the result of tight tribalism and nepotism operating in a high-trust environment.

And anti-communism and nationalism have also been aided by Jews since at least the 1920's.

Not anywhere nearly to the same extent. The Jews are the single biggest obstacle to nationalists.

And the Jews who seek out the alt-right are doing so because they also reject those principles, which also have nothing to do with judaism.

Agreed. But our Jewish nationalist allies will be in Israel, except for those Judeo-Christians who are not permitted entry for religious reasons.

Blogger residentMoron September 07, 2016 10:10 AM  

@41

You got a fucked-up idea of Christianity.

I'm not surprised you oppose what you describe, but it's got fuck all to do with me.

Anonymous Sensi September 07, 2016 10:10 AM  

Dear Vox,
A bit off-topic, but I've been thinking we need a name for this era in which we live and I hope, we are leaving behind. The era that encompasses the sexual revolution, the self-hatred of Westerners, the mass movement of the Third World etc. I'm not just thinking about future history lessons, it might be useful today to proclaim "the era of ... is coming to an end". Alas I can't think of a good one that could encompass all the major themes of the era and be easily recognisable and understood. Any thoughts?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 07, 2016 10:12 AM  

@40
Cool. Then that "Muh Constution" wizard in the mem in Vox's previous posting is LARPy all over the place.

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 10:13 AM  

This is why calling any jew who wishes to align with the alt-right an "entryist" is pre-mature.

If they're not in Israel, they'll never be trusted. Because neocons.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 07, 2016 10:14 AM  

The goy exist to serve the Jew.

A duty we're willing to undertake.

Blogger residentMoron September 07, 2016 10:15 AM  

OT:

This looks to me like a setup, a pre-emptive excuse for over-turning a Trump win.

"US intelligence and law enforcement agencies are probing what they see as a broad covert Russian operation in the United States to sow public distrust in the upcoming presidential election and in US political institutions, intelligence and congressional officials said."

It also, perhaps coincidentally, would include all of us as part of a "broad covert Russian operation".

Sounds a lot like a "vast right-wing conspiracy", don't it?

After all, why give up a working meme?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 07, 2016 10:16 AM  

@48
Robert A. Heinlein called it "The Crazy Years" on his future-history timeline.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 10:18 AM  

@50

And yet they are. Many works referenced by the HBD and alt-right, like "the bell curve" and "why race matters", are authored by Jews.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian September 07, 2016 10:24 AM  

the predominance of Jewish intellectuals in leftist movements that have screwed up the US and entire world.

THIS. This is the whole reason the coincidence parenthesis and detector exist in the first place.


Blogger Sheila4g September 07, 2016 10:24 AM  

@43 aew51183: "This is why calling any jew who wishes to align with the alt-right an "entryist" is pre-mature."

You claim to have no argument with the 14 words or other principles, but still demand to be accepted with open arms as a self-identified Jew. You view Jews' disproportionate success and power in the US is due entirely to genetic superiority, yet insist the Alt Right is wrong to suspect them of entryism or typical ethnic networking. You claim to "place nationalism to (your) current nation over Israel," but then proceed to explain that your purported identification with the Alt Right is to keep you safe from kebab and because you "understand precisely how much benefit white-run ethnostates have been to (Jews)."

So ultimately, your "support" for the Alt Right boils down to "It's good for the Jews."

Please explain how this is new or different, in the end, from the motivation of the most anti-nationalist, leftist Jew.

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian September 07, 2016 10:26 AM  

@52

If the Ruskies can do that, then what of those at home that wish to do the same but perhaps for a different result?

Stupid, stupid meme they are trying to run.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 07, 2016 10:26 AM  

@54

That doesn't mean that they get to be in charge. How about we mandate that every Jewish temple, synogogue, Yeshiva, or other organization be run by Mormons or Catholics? No? How about Salafi Muslims? No? Why not?

Historically in European countries where Jews were tolerated they were also excluded from a whole list of social and economic activities. Jewish ingroup preference and nepotistic tendencies prove the wisdom of that.

Let NRA members run the ADL for a couple of decades, then we'll talk.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 07, 2016 10:26 AM  

Vox, since you are most definitely Not-White. Are you in fact NOT part of the American Alt-Right? Your position then, being that of an 'outside' ally?

Blogger Rabbi B September 07, 2016 10:30 AM  

43. aew51183

Re: NAJALT

Them main thrust of this blog is not an attack on jewish organizations, it's an assertion that "all jews are like that" and is calling the minority of individual jews who wish to sign on "entryists".


The sooner (((we))) get over it the better. People are as sick of the reflexive NAJALT argument/defense as they are of Holocaustianity.

As Jew613 rightly said, we will always be regarded as outsiders and rightly so. It's part of our calling. We need to embrace it and not get our tassles in a knot every time an insider expresses his suspicion and mistrust.

As long as we are committed to seeking the welfare and good of those around us, for as long as we are tolerated and permitted to do so, we have our reward. The same is true if we behave in a way that only confirms their suspicion and mistrust.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 10:30 AM  

"Many works referenced by the HBD and alt-right, like "the bell curve" and "why race matters", are authored by Jews."

Why do you keep shooting yourself in the head with the alt-right's gun?

Blogger Robert Divinity September 07, 2016 10:31 AM  

@52:

Exactly. Also consider some mutterings from CIA Director Hayden about the U.S. military now following Trump's "unlawful commands." It seems a lot of pre-emptive measures are underway but ultimately the D.C. communists/globalist utopians are too cowardly to risk everything they have stolen being blown up or burned down, and that probably will be the brake.

Anonymous The OASF September 07, 2016 10:31 AM  

"I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8 KJV

The Alt-Right is proof that there are still people of faith and courage who comprise the civilizations that must survive if humanity and the planet is to have any future. I have seen God work in many ways to enable this movement, from about the year 2000 onward is when I really started to notice. I can point to a few major events/movements/people/organizations in particular over the last 16 or so years that I feel are directly responsible.

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out by years end.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 10:31 AM  

@56
"You claim to have no argument with the 14 words or other principles, but still demand to be accepted with open arms as a self-identified Jew."

Please explain to me what part of the 14 words require the exemption of non-whites who wish to work for a white future.


"yet insist the Alt Right is wrong to suspect them of entryism or typical ethnic networking"

No, I insist "ethnic alliance" is not entryism. Jews make no bones about the fact they're jews.

"Please explain how this is new or different, in the end, from the motivation of the most anti-nationalist, leftist Jew."

Easy: People like me are pro-white-nationalist, the diametric opposite.
What does motivation matter if the resulting action is in your benefit?

I'm not claiming to be "white" or to be considered by you or anyone else as "white", I'm simply pointing out not every jew wishes to undermine white societies.

Blogger SDaly September 07, 2016 10:35 AM  

@48 How about "The Kingdom of Babel"?

Blogger Robert Divinity September 07, 2016 10:37 AM  

(*not following)

Blogger Markku September 07, 2016 10:37 AM  

2 Thessalonians 2:11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

-> Era of Delusion

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 07, 2016 10:41 AM  

Sensi wrote:I'm not just thinking about future history lessons, it might be useful today to proclaim "the era of ... is coming to an end".

Personally I call it "Procrustes" after the minor Greek mythical villain, but that will not work for anybody who doesn't remember the story. But the worship of Almighty Procrustes, who hath declared that all are equal by force if necessary, is the source of most of the pollution of this modern age, if not all.

"The Age of Equality" could work, or "Equality Or Else," but I favor simplicity and moral force. "The Age of Envy."

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 10:41 AM  

@60

I can agree with that.

@58

Who says I desire jews to "be in charge"?

If anything the result of official jewish organizations (the importation of people who slaughter jews) has dictated jews have failed utterly in advancing their own interests.

This would be why I advocate the re-establishment of white identity in the western world. Despite "not being in charge", it has afforded jews a good life.

Blogger Eric Wilson September 07, 2016 10:45 AM  

I've seen more NAJALT in this thread than NAWALT in the last two years. aew, if you want to do the alt-right a favor and ally yourself with us, then move to Israel and stfu.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 07, 2016 10:45 AM  

residentMoron wrote:This looks to me like a setup, a pre-emptive excuse for over-turning a Trump win.
And all they'd have to do to stop it is mandate the use of paper ballots in lieu of hackable voting machines and apply a few other simple checks (like marking ballots with the ID of the polling place and counting the ones issued to deter stuffing).  But they won't.

Blogger Scuzzaman September 07, 2016 10:49 AM  

@Conan

When you have overwhelming force at your command, and a tame press to repeat your lies at full volume, you don't need to be too clever?

Anonymous MongoJimmy September 07, 2016 11:02 AM  

@48

The Cuck Age

The Encucklement

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 07, 2016 11:03 AM  

Dayum, that kid is good. Much respect for Lawrence Murray.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 11:05 AM  

"aew, if you want to do the alt-right a favor and ally yourself with us, then move to Israel and stfu."

aew, there ya go.

Nobody is saying that Jew can't be a nationalist. Nobody is saying that a Jew can't be alt-right.

All they are saying is that a Jew can't be an Anglo.

Just as a Briton living in Israel may support Jewish nationality, but cannot be a Jew and will never be accepted as one.

Blogger Escoffier September 07, 2016 11:07 AM  

C-Finstock wrote:Speaking of (((entryists)))...

Vox Day is not Alt-Right, nor is any (((Christian))).

Your Jew religion has no place in our movement. The Alt-Right is about will to power, not your pathetic slave morality. Real European men follow the Old Gods, if they follow any at all. We do NOT follow your ((()) creed invited by Jews.

it is high-time that we on the Alt-Right start asking the C-Q.

Take your "kike on a stick" and go elsewhere.


And yet the only reason you aren't speaking kebab and sniffing other Muslim's haunches is because some bad ass Christian men strapped on swords and stood firm at the gates of Vienna.

You're welcome you ungrateful cur. And I have a funny feeling we'll be doing so again in the not too distant future.

Lord strengthen my hand to your fight.

Anonymous mature craig September 07, 2016 11:08 AM  

Yeah conservatism
Served its purpose maybe a while ago but something else is needed today. Perhaps Schlaflys passing is Gods way of signaling a change

Blogger Conan the Cimmerian September 07, 2016 11:10 AM  

@72

Aye, and an idiot electorate.

Blogger Tamquam September 07, 2016 11:10 AM  

"Whites must be allowed to take their own side in their affairs."

Allowed? By whom?

No. Whites (each of the many varieties of them) must take their own side in their affairs.

Privileges are pled for, rights are exercised.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 11:12 AM  

@76:

μολὼν λαβέ

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 07, 2016 11:12 AM  

Sensi wrote:Dear Vox,

A bit off-topic, but I've been thinking we need a name for this era in which we live and I hope, we are leaving behind. The era that encompasses the sexual revolution, the self-hatred of Westerners, the mass movement of the Third World etc. I'm not just thinking about future history lessons, it might be useful today to proclaim "the era of ... is coming to an end". Alas I can't think of a good one that could encompass all the major themes of the era and be easily recognisable and understood. Any thoughts?


Pick one from Glubb. It has staying power.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 07, 2016 11:14 AM  

@69
Who says I desire jews to "be in charge"?

A century or so of real history.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 11:16 AM  

@75

I get where you're coming from and agree. I suppose the disconnect was between "alt-right as political movement FOR ethno-national identity" vs "alt-right AS ethno-national identity". It's apparent the majority of members would define it as the latter rather than the former.

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 11:17 AM  

Vox, since you are most definitely Not-White. Are you in fact NOT part of the American Alt-Right? Your position then, being that of an 'outside' ally?

Correct. Exactly. I'm not a joiner anyhow, so it's not as if I have sought influence or leadership or even membership in it. I'm just doing what I always do, which is think about things and express my thoughts on them from time to time.

Some people appear to find this useful. And that's fine.

Your Jew religion has no place in our movement. The Alt-Right is about will to power, not your pathetic slave morality. Real European men follow the Old Gods, if they follow any at all. We do NOT follow your ((()) creed invited by Jews. it is high-time that we on the Alt-Right start asking the C-Q.

Someone can't do math. Your kind is already irrelevant. The smarter pagans and atheists realize that if they don't find common cause with the Christians, they'll be sidelined.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 07, 2016 11:18 AM  

Jew613 wrote:Jews can be get along with the Alt-right, even be allies. But Jews will always be outsiders to the Alt-right as it's based on Nationalism and we have our own nationalist movement and state. It will always be seen as odd when Jews want to get involved with the Alt-right as why don't they fight for their own people?

Exactly correct. Israel has its own SJWs and internal enemies. Alt-right Jews would do well to go and fight them. NAJALT is a failed argument. (((Tim Wise))), (((Noel Ignatiev))) and (((Barbara Lerner Specter))) openly call for the genocide of all white nations. We've yet to see a Jew condemn them for this. The 14 words are not negotiable, nor do Jews get to define what they mean.

Blogger Markku September 07, 2016 11:23 AM  

We'll probably make a little reservation even for those who rage against Christ. It will be safe to rage there.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 11:25 AM  

@82:

This particular thread has been rather Amero-centric, but you've been around here long enough to know that the general argument is not.

Arabia for the Arabs. Germany for the Germans.

OpenID aew51183 September 07, 2016 11:30 AM  

@85

Oh yes that was clear, but the disconnect was alt-right as identity vs alt-right as advocacy for identity. The visceral reactions I've seen indicate alt-right is seen as identity vs advocacy for identity. With that cleared up I absolutely agree. I have no right to claim an identity that is not mine.

Blogger Markku September 07, 2016 11:33 AM  

I think what people are mostly saying is that you need to understand from the outset that even if you have made personal sacrifices for Alt-Right, a position of authority in it may not be handed to you because people have a historically justified suspicion that when the chips are down, you will do what you consider in advantage of Jews, instead of Alt-Right, if those ever come in opposition. Or seem to you to come in opposition.

Hence, your expectation should be that if you invest yourself in the Alt-Right, still the only power you might ever wield in it is the number of your own followers you have brought.

Blogger praetorian September 07, 2016 11:34 AM  

For every Mercuse you can find a Rand

For every insane left wing Jew hell bent on destroying traditional western civilization, we can also find an insane right wing Jew hell bent on destroying western civilization?

[muffled ovens heat up in the distance]

Blogger Feather Blade September 07, 2016 11:37 AM  

@41 Go soak your head, Finstock.

Your "Old Gods" already lost to the Christ. You're lucky that any of those lying tricksters are remembered at all.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 07, 2016 11:38 AM  

There are plenty of jews who understand precisely how much benefit white-run ethnostates have been to them, and who are legitimately grateful and alarmed at what international socialists are doing.

I'm sure that's true and in a better world it would matter. But in this world, we find ourselves fighting against nepotistic ethnic groups who want to steal our stuff and leave our children impoverished and enslaved. It's incompatible with our survival to allow this sort of tribalism to exist within our society. Saxons are hard-wired for high-trust societies and are extremely vulnerable to in-group clannish parasites. That's what's behind the whole "when the Saxon began to hate" business. It's a defense mechanism, antibodies attacking an infection that is dangerous to the host. So, here we are, with Whites finally joining the tribe-against-tribe conflict.

It's pointless to debate how much responsibility (((da jooos))) do or don't have for getting us where we are today. We're here and either you're part of our tribe or you aren't. Not necessarily the world I want - my people worked for generations trying to make a better one, but it was apparently a fool's errand.


Blogger synp September 07, 2016 11:40 AM  

"Jewish elites are opposed to our entire program."

Substitute "exiled Jewish elites" for "elites" here. By now about half the Jews live in Israel, and Israelis tend to be far less globalist than exile Jews. American Jews, even when they're pro-Zionist tend towards social justice.

Blogger Marie September 07, 2016 11:40 AM  

I'm seeing a lot of commentary from those who are on the alt-right or who favor it defining what the alt-right is.

What's the purpose of this?

Is it a recruitment tool? Is it to make sure the left doesn't control the narrative? Is it a way to hash out and define objectives?

I expected the response to Hillary's speech to be laughter and "Yeah, you don't get it" replies.

The culture is changing. People are speaking up and pushing back more. But we haven't actually won anything yet.

I can see the benefit for the NeverTrump and the left to define us to discredit us. But why does the alt-right care about defining itself at this point?

Blogger Desiderius September 07, 2016 11:43 AM  

VD,

"Anti-nationalism is being driven by guilty whites, who make up the vast majority of SJW's and SJW-indoctrinees.

You're wrong. Jews represent 43 percent of the top one percent. That is more significant than their percentage of the electorate. Anti-American nationalism has been driven by the Jews since at least the 1920s."

It's being driven by Jews today, but not just Jews, and there were Jews from the beginning, but it's a stretch to say they had enough influence to be driving it then. Finstock is not wrong about the central role played by leading Christians:

https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/foundational-readings/american-malvern/

Blogger pyrrhus September 07, 2016 11:44 AM  

@24 "And Ashkenazim have a full standard deviation over whites in IQ. Are you saying this result is not consistent with high IQ?"
No, it's about 5 points and dropping rapidly...Asians/Whites applying to Harvard have higher IQs than jews, but the jews buy their way in.... As Professor Cochran and others have noted, Jewish scientific achievement has fallen off a cliff in the last 40 years.

Blogger Markku September 07, 2016 11:45 AM  

I view it as a sort of a contract between the subgroups. So, on one hand, we all agree that white race must be guaranteed a future. But the flip side is that we did NOT all agree to anything more, for example that certain races must be thrown out of the country. If a 1488 signs up for THIS "contract", it will be too late to later complain that it didn't promise them more. They are under no obligation to do anything more than secure a future for white race.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 11:56 AM  

"Jewish scientific achievement has fallen off a cliff in the last 40 years."

The Jewish scientific "homeland" was late 19th century "Germany." Not because they were Jews, but just because that's where the science was happening and they were there.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 07, 2016 12:11 PM  

aew51183 wrote:@60

I can agree with that.

@58

Who says I desire jews to "be in charge"?

If anything the result of official jewish organizations (the importation of people who slaughter jews) has dictated jews have failed utterly in advancing their own interests.

This would be why I advocate the re-establishment of white identity in the western world. Despite "not being in charge", it has afforded jews a good life.


How is it that all these Jewish organizations support the importation of people (Musloids in particular) that want to slaughter Jews? Obviously, if most Jews didn't see the extermination of whites and Christianity as more important in the advancement of Jewish supremacism - even to the point of willing to see a few Jews killed (non-Jews being defined as non-human) - they wouldn't be pushing so hard for the program. There seems to be little if any significant Jewish opposition to the actions of Jewish organizations engaged in such behavior. Why not?

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 12:16 PM  

@97:

Corollary to Sturgeon's Law:

90% of people are useful idiots.

Blogger Markku September 07, 2016 12:18 PM  

90% of people are most assuredly not useful.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 12:25 PM  

Unless you have a use for idiots, you'll get no argument from me.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 07, 2016 12:25 PM  

Desiderius wrote:VD,

"Anti-nationalism is being driven by guilty whites, who make up the vast majority of SJW's and SJW-indoctrinees.

You're wrong. Jews represent 43 percent of the top one percent. That is more significant than their percentage of the electorate. Anti-American nationalism has been driven by the Jews since at least the 1920s."

It's being driven by Jews today, but not just Jews, and there were Jews from the beginning, but it's a stretch to say they had enough influence to be driving it then. Finstock is not wrong about the central role played by leading Christians:

https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/foundational-readings/american-malvern/


Finstock's problem is that he's historically illiterate. The Christians of the past did not embrace the insanity which infects western societies today, and the non-Christians within western societies (now the majority) embrace the insane suicidal ideology even more than the Christians do. That said, it's true that Christianity has been invaded by the body-snatchers and they by and large control the infrastructure of the religion. Hence we see ostensibly "Christian" organizations - both Protestant and Catholic - running rackets to import Musloids to settle in places like small towns in the hinterland of the Banana Empire. There also seems to be a failure among the few actual Christians remaining to formally excommunicate the Churchians or to stop supporting their Churchian temples now devoted to worship of the golden dindu. Kind of an interesting parallel with Jews in a way.

Anonymous Axe Head September 07, 2016 12:27 PM  

Jews primary identity in the West is anti-Christianity. It's why they subvert our civilization (Christendom) at every turn. They need to go.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 07, 2016 12:27 PM  

@98, 99.
Fair points.

@100. Same here.

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 12:28 PM  

I can see the benefit for the NeverTrump and the left to define us to discredit us. But why does the alt-right care about defining itself at this point?

To keep the entryists and bandwagon-jumpers out.

Anonymous Sam the Man September 07, 2016 12:33 PM  

Ahhh........ To the Pagan Guy.

Dude you are following demons. They may help you because it is to their advantage , but they are not your friends. They always end up eating the folks (spiritually) that align themselves with them.

Or so says Christian doctrine...which is not Jewish at all but something based on the same root. The two faith traditions have certainly separated and are not likely to come back together until....Until a messiah comes or re-appears. Now I do not claim to understand all of Christianity doctrines and all of the various sub classifications/schisms but I am pretty sure that they all think the old pagan gods/sprits are essentially demons, that is not aligned with the G-D of creation but from something else. Not a long term plane of success.

By the Bye if you study Hitler his strain of paganism and his reliance on "Providence" it would seem that pagan stuff did not work out well for him, his county or the entire continent. In fact it did serve evil quite well supplying all sorts of tasty souls on a platter, rendered up to G-D knows what.

The European men came to their highest heights intellectually, and artistically as part of Christendom, and so if you want to rebuild that Europe you would be much more successful if you were to become one. The best soldiers I knew seems to be Christen types, strange as that may seem. Hard to say but the best I can figure is the certainty of belief, the comradeship they achieve vs. other population groups, combined with an ethical system that limits the worse instincts of men made for very effective soldiers. Look at the last crusade against pagans in Europe, the Teutonic knights, nothing could stand against them. The, Pomeranians, Prussians, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians converted and to this day, 750 years later stand fast in that faith. Not at all a weak slave G-D, I submit you have failed to see something in front of your face.

Brought to you by your local friendly mischling who is proselytizing Christianity to a Pagan..... something must be wrong here. All kidding aside, you really should consider your alignment, I have asked folks here in the past for clarification on christen doctrine and after they get done insulting and figure out the questions are serious they will help you along.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 07, 2016 12:52 PM  

VD: "To keep the entryists and bandwagon-jumpers out."

This is vital, as the Alt-Right movement is at a critical point.

My observations are only anecdotal. But in my travels and interactions I perceive a tremendous social upheaval beginning. As though the Millennial Generation and Europeans in general were desperate for someone to tell them, "It's ok to be White"; "It's ok to be German, or Dutch, or even British".

Blogger James Dixon September 07, 2016 12:57 PM  

> And Ashkenazim have a full standard deviation over whites in IQ. Are you saying this result is not consistent with high IQ?

Is everyone with a high IQ rich? Or are there perhaps other contributing factors?

> A bit off-topic, but I've been thinking we need a name for this era in which we live and I hope, we are leaving behind.

As A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents said, Heinlein already named them for you: The Crazy Years.

Blogger Lazarus September 07, 2016 1:08 PM  

just in case no one saw it yet, Steve Sailer:



alt-right is Political Punk Rock

Anonymous BGKB September 07, 2016 1:27 PM  

best and brightest of a nation to have plenty of kids when they're burdened with paying for Latrina's 21 crack-addled SSDI lifers

First Josh steals my "gayest" title at the home depot, now DC takes my Latrina's Crack baby SSDI monomania, what's left for me to post on?

It's interesting that even National Socialists agree that slavery was a terrible idea.

Of course it was Jews owned the slave boats, ran the slave auctions, and 50% of jewish families owned slaves before the civil war. White's got taxed to maintain the system of returning escaped slaves, and had lower wages because they couldn't be hired to do the work slaves did.

which they complain about "guilt by association" for whites but apply it with great alacrity to jews

Everything said about white privilege was said the 200+ times jews got kicked out of nations.

Anti-nationalism is being driven by guilty whites, who Just so happen to be jewish lesbians on Soros' payroll

Blogger James Dixon September 07, 2016 1:28 PM  

Hmm. Rush is commenting on the article "The Flight 93 Election". It looks like Host Gator can't handle the load and the page is now down.

Blogger Desiderius September 07, 2016 1:40 PM  

"The Christians of the past did not embrace the insanity which infects western societies today"

We not only embraced it, we largely started it* - read the link.

We all fall short of the Glory of God. There is redemption in Christ, but only if we confess our sins and repent.

* - as always, there was a faithful remnant who did not, which is why Flinstock is ultimately mistaken as to the big picture.

Blogger James Dixon September 07, 2016 1:42 PM  

> what's left for me to post on?

Relax, BGS. You're garroting posts are safe.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 07, 2016 2:09 PM  

Desiderius wrote:"The Christians of the past did not embrace the insanity which infects western societies today"

We not only embraced it, we largely started it* - read the link.

We all fall short of the Glory of God. There is redemption in Christ, but only if we confess our sins and repent.


I'm gonna repeat this until I notice somebody understands it: The infection is Gnosticism.

Anonymous Joe Blowe September 07, 2016 2:21 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:5) Freedom is not a right, it's a responsibility.

So is being a man as in "All men are created equal". We have equal rights but also equal responsibilities. Men who can not or will not uphold the responsibilities of Manhood deserve neither the title of Man nor the protections afforded to them in our civilization. Who decides what Manhood is and what those responsibilities are? Since its our civilization, we do.

OpenID frankluke September 07, 2016 2:28 PM  

@114 I'm gonna repeat this until I notice somebody understands it: The infection is Gnosticism.

My wife and I were discussing how heresies return to gnosticism at their root just a couple weeks ago.

Blogger Escoffier September 07, 2016 2:29 PM  

Aeoli Pera wrote:Desiderius wrote:"The Christians of the past did not embrace the insanity which infects western societies today"

We not only embraced it, we largely started it* - read the link.

We all fall short of the Glory of God. There is redemption in Christ, but only if we confess our sins and repent.


I'm gonna repeat this until I notice somebody understands it: The infection is Gnosticism.


Agreed, and to borrow a phrase from Professor Reynolds the problem is that the true faith that Christ brought to the earth doesn't provide nearly enough opportunities for graft and ego gratification.

Anonymous BGKB September 07, 2016 2:40 PM  

Relax, BGS. You're garroting posts are safe.

If TRUMP wins Josh might steal my game show idea with it.

And Ashkenazim have a full standard deviation over whites in IQ. Are you saying this result is not consistent with high IQ?

Name a single financial scam that was not written about by Martin Luther? High Frequency trading is just an updated Rothschild hiring falconers to kill others homing pigeons.

Anonymous C-Finstock September 07, 2016 2:49 PM  

1. the root of the destruction of the white race is the Jew
2. Jesus was a Jew
3. Christianity is a Jewish religion
4. Christian churches work with the Jew right now to destroy the white race
5. (((Christians))) are Jews in word and in deed
6. Jews are not welcome in the Alt-Right
7. Stop trying to infiltrate the real Alt-Right with your "Kike on a stick" bullshit

"The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed." — Goebbels Diaries, 29 December 1939

Blogger Noah B September 07, 2016 2:57 PM  

@75 Nobody is saying that Jew can't be a nationalist. Nobody is saying that a Jew can't be alt-right.

While I maintain that it is possible for a Jew to so fully support the alt-right platform that he genuinely belongs, I have yet to see it. Of those Jews who have moved to publicly support it, all I have seen outside the context of this blog are, in my opinion, opportunists. They focus heavily on promoting themselves rather than attempting to elevate the group, while in the process also attempting subtle (if not overt) redefinition of current alt-right consensus. Critically, I'm not seeing this entryist hijacking attempted by those of non-Jewish ethnic backgrounds.

I can respect and admire those who openly pursue the interests of their own people. But those who attempt to stealthily pervert the cause of American and European self-preservation cannot be tolerated and certainly should not be considered alt-right by those who share the goal of self-preservation. Therefore I believe it's vital to scrutinize any Jewish support of the alt-right, and the level of scrutiny should increase in rough proportion to the amount of attention that person seeks out.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 07, 2016 3:01 PM  

Know who else was a Jew? Einstein. So FUCK science.

Also the universities are working with the Jew right now to destroy the white race through spreading white guilt and false historical narratives, because the purpose of the university is to "challenge social norms and preconceived notions" which is a Jewish concept. The only solution is to burn all the books.

Most importantly, to fight back against the Jews, we must resurrect a religion that was almost entirely wiped out by Christianity, which is either a form of Jewishness or a religion weak enough for Jews to infiltrate and subvert. Let me know how that works out.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 07, 2016 3:03 PM  

Brought to you by your local friendly mischling who is proselytizing Christianity to a Pagan..... something must be wrong here.

@106 Sam the Man
Mischling Traditional Catholics seem to be fairly common for whatever reason. Two off the top of my head are Fr. Floriano Abrahamowicz and the late Rama Coomaraswamy. And I'm acquainted with a few personally.

Blogger RobertT September 07, 2016 3:08 PM  

Alt Right is a philosophy in much the same way Conservatism was a philosophy. The difference is, the Alt Right is better defined than than Conservatism ever was. I mean, really, what the hell was conservatism? If you want an organization and you can't get in Skull & Bones, join the boy scouts.

Blogger Noah B September 07, 2016 3:08 PM  

"The only solution is to burn all the books."

Burning books is a bad idea. Just re-file them under the propaganda section. Future generations can study them accompanied by thorough analysis and debunking.

Blogger Noah B September 07, 2016 3:10 PM  

@121 But to address your overall point that a people who discover they've been horrifically deceived are prone to becoming angry and unpredictable - welcome to the party, pal.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 07, 2016 3:11 PM  

"Burning books is a bad idea. Just re-file them under the propaganda section. Future generations can study them accompanied by thorough analysis and debunking."

I'm up for whatever as long as we bulldoze the buildings and shoot the professors. Universities are Jewish collaborators, therefore universities should not exist.

Anonymous kfg September 07, 2016 3:14 PM  

"While I maintain that it is possible for a Jew to so fully support the alt-right platform that he genuinely belongs, I have yet to see it . . . I can respect and admire those who openly pursue the interests of their own people."

The context was, in Israel.

Blogger Noah B September 07, 2016 3:17 PM  

@127 Understood. Just throwing my own two cents in.

OpenID dreadilkzee September 07, 2016 3:22 PM  

The Jews have been split and will always be split between those like Herod, all to willing to supplicate before Rome (read: the world), and David who loved his people and only bowed to God.

OpenID dreadilkzee September 07, 2016 3:28 PM  

Noah B wrote:@75 Nobody is saying that Jew can't be a nationalist. Nobody is saying that a Jew can't be alt-right.

While I maintain that it is possible for a Jew to so fully support the alt-right platform that he genuinely belongs, I have yet to see it. Of those Jews who have moved to publicly support it, all I have seen outside the context of this blog are, in my opinion, opportunists. They focus heavily on promoting themselves rather than attempting to elevate the group, while in the process also attempting subtle (if not overt) redefinition of current alt-right consensus. Critically, I'm not seeing this entryist hijacking attempted by those of non-Jewish ethnic backgrounds.

I can respect and admire those who openly pursue the interests of their own people. But those who attempt to stealthily pervert the cause of American and European self-preservation cannot be tolerated and certainly should not be considered alt-right by those who share the goal of self-preservation. Therefore I believe it's vital to scrutinize any Jewish support of the alt-right, and the level of scrutiny should increase in rough proportion to the amount of attention that person seeks out.


Noah B, How would you describe Beitbart then?

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 07, 2016 3:36 PM  

@129 I'll pull out of the satirical mockery long enough to say: Yeah, I agree, much of what is crammed down peoples' throats in the universities, media, and political speeches will be an interesting topic of study for future generations, and I'm especially impressed by how social media helped the State outsource both the spreading of propaganda and punishment for noncomformity to the people.

Annnnnnd since newspapers are currently run by Jews, the only way for a true Aryan society to obtain information is through word-of-mouth spread by direct verbal contact.

And since pornography is run by Jews, a White Ethnostate should ban all forms of pornography... Actually, you know what, I'm actually fine with that one.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 07, 2016 3:41 PM  

And since pornography is run by Jews, a White Ethnostate should ban all forms of pornography... Actually, you know what, I'm actually fine with that one.

Pr0n (including romance novels for women) is murder on all our sex drives, if we allow ourselves to get sucked into it. But the vast majority of people see nothing morally wrong with it at all.

Anonymous BGKB September 07, 2016 3:41 PM  

Know who else was a Jew? Einstein. So FUCK science.

I am pretty sure everyone here knows he stole relativity from an Italian scientist, & when tested by the patent office was mentally only capable of working at its lowest rank of clerk.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 07, 2016 3:49 PM  

"I am pretty sure everyone here knows he stole relativity from an Italian scientist, & when tested by the patent office was mentally only capable of working at its lowest rank of clerk."

That's actually somewhat news to me. I only knew that he was mathematically influenced by his teacher, Minkowski. Devilishly curious, since as a scientifically educated person I've heard enough sermons of the Cult of Einstein to choke a goat.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 07, 2016 3:51 PM  

@C-Finstock
If you insist. War it is the. It will literally be your funeral.

Anonymous BGKB September 07, 2016 3:58 PM  

Off-topic: What Saint Thomas Aquinas says about immigration.

Even more reason to not let jews have positions of power in the alt right. ST Tom said Jews can only molest those they know.

Saint Thomas: “For the Jews were offered three opportunities of peaceful relations with foreigners. First, when foreigners passed through their land as travelers. Secondly, when they came to dwell in their land as newcomers. And in both these respects the Law made kind provision in its precepts: for it is written (Exodus 22:21): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [advenam]’; and again (Exodus 22:9): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [peregrino].’”

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 07, 2016 3:59 PM  

"Pr0n (including romance novels for women) is murder on all our sex drives"

Isn't "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" a form of genocide? 1488 GTKRWN.

I'm actually only half-kidding about that. Pornography, aggressive birth control propaganda, making the two-income family the norm, ads like this one created by a Jewess... They knew what they were doing.

Blogger Feather Blade September 07, 2016 4:09 PM  

@119 rework your syllabus. The premises do not lead to a logical conclusion.

And Sam the Man is right - your old gods are, at best daimon who have forgotten their place, and at worst, diaboloswho want to keep you in damnation with them.

Blogger frigger611 September 07, 2016 4:11 PM  

I've seen Jewish "comedy" routines mocking Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

This one I found quite shocking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSrhJGGDqx0

They can dress it up all they want in the sacred constitution, sacred free speech, sacred free expression, "it's only a joke" etc etc. Everything is sacred except that which is truly sacred.

All of it degrades, corrodes, and diminishes. And the cucks follow right along in lockstep.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd September 07, 2016 4:18 PM  

For everyone arguing about including/excluding jews, let's go back to a basic principle: no enemies to the right. If you see a jew to your right, he's not your enemy. He's not part of our nation, but as long as he's on your right, he's not your enemy.

The commies sort of get along with their fellow travelers, and so should we with ours.

Blogger frigger611 September 07, 2016 4:19 PM  

I've seen Jewish "comedy" routines mocking Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

This one I found quite shocking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSrhJGGDqx0

They can dress it up all they want in the sacred constitution, sacred free speech, sacred free expression, "it's only a joke" etc etc. Everything is sacred except that which is truly sacred.

All of it degrades, corrodes, and diminishes. And the cucks follow right along in lockstep.

Blogger John Wright September 07, 2016 4:21 PM  

"I'm gonna repeat this until I notice somebody understands it: The infection is Gnosticism."

I understand it. I have been saying so for years.

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 4:45 PM  

I'm gonna repeat this until I notice somebody understands it: The infection is Gnosticism.

Good luck with selling that one to a population with a 95 IQ and declining. But, you know, keep repeating it! The important thing is that you feel smart, after all.

Blogger Lucas Temple (a.k.a. Armenia4ever) September 07, 2016 4:59 PM  

The Alt Right is a much larger tent then most of us realize. So many "dissenters" are in the tent. It's essentially a new kind of rebellion - one that is arguably more principled and necessary than that of the Boomers in the 60s was.

We are rebelling against those who threaten our livelihoods.

The key thing is that we don't attack each other. Remember, the left doesn't reject its "Extremists", it embraces them. Every damn time. Yes there is infighting, but everyone to the right of them are literal nazis.

I don't have as much in common with the 1488ers as I do the Manosphere crowd. While I'm mixed race, I often feel like the pride and the undermining of the history and culture of white half is constantly under threat. It's on this that I while I don't necessarily hold to the same views on HBD, it's imperative that condemnation and denunciation are directed at people such as SJWs who desire to impeded us on a daily basis.

The time taken to condemn even those at Stormfront is better utilized fighting back against SJWs. Seriously, when was the last time any "white supremacist" - (not WN) - went after even those on the Alt-Right of varying race and ethnicity who haven't attacked them first?



Blogger frigger611 September 07, 2016 5:02 PM  

For every Mercuse you can find a Rand

Absolute bullshit. A 1:1 relationship? No. For every 1,000,000 Mercuses you get precisely 1 Rand.

That means 1,000,000 anti-Christs hell-bent on murder, against 1 anti-Christ who just wants to enjoy a good cigarette while reading a book on Aristotle after banging her student.

Your math is all wrong.

Blogger frigger611 September 07, 2016 5:02 PM  

For every Mercuse you can find a Rand

Absolute bullshit. A 1:1 relationship? No. For every 1,000,000 Mercuses you get precisely 1 Rand.

That means 1,000,000 anti-Christs hell-bent on murder, against 1 anti-Christ who just wants to enjoy a good cigarette while reading a book on Aristotle after banging her student.

Your math is all wrong.

Blogger Noah B September 07, 2016 5:05 PM  

@130 Noah B, How would you describe Beitbart then?

I read their articles occasionally but don't follow them closely enough to have a well-defined opinion about them.

Blogger Noah B September 07, 2016 5:08 PM  

@139 They can dress it up all they want in the sacred constitution, sacred free speech, sacred free expression, "it's only a joke" etc etc. Everything is sacred except that which is truly sacred.

All of it degrades, corrodes, and diminishes. And the cucks follow right along in lockstep.


Meanwhile a meme of Pepe with Trump hair gassing Bernie Sanders is beyond the pale.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 07, 2016 5:09 PM  

Someone can't do math. Your kind is already irrelevant. The smarter pagans and atheists realize that if they don't find common cause with the Christians, they'll be sidelined.

Sidelined? More like corpses left by the side of the road. And I speak as an agnostic. One has to be a complete moron to miss the fact that what most of us like about Western Civ has much to do with its other description: Christendom.

Isolated, atomized people won't last long in coming times.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 07, 2016 5:16 PM  

Re: the 95 IQ (and declining) population, you raise an important point. The message has to be pretty simple. Forget any treatise on the origins of Progressivism.

There's a great illustration of a religion tailor-made for the simple-minded people found where it's most dominant. The name of the religion isn't coming to me, though.

In the meantime, the Alt-Right seems to be doing just fine with something as simple as, "We're not the clowns running this Rainbow-Entitlement circus."

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 07, 2016 5:47 PM  

VD wrote:I'm gonna repeat this until I notice somebody understands it: The infection is Gnosticism.

Good luck with selling that one to a population with a 95 IQ and declining. But, you know, keep repeating it! The important thing is that you feel smart, after all.


God didn't give me a gift for sales, wouldja believe it.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 07, 2016 5:49 PM  

John Wright wrote:"I'm gonna repeat this until I notice somebody understands it: The infection is Gnosticism."

I understand it. I have been saying so for years.


Now I really, really need to read Somewhither. I hear there's talk of the tree of knowledge and such.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 07, 2016 6:03 PM  

frankluke wrote:@114 I'm gonna repeat this until I notice somebody understands it: The infection is Gnosticism.

My wife and I were discussing how heresies return to gnosticism at their root just a couple weeks ago.


The Bible can be breathtaking from a green pill perspective.

Escoffier wrote:

Agreed, and to borrow a phrase from Professor Reynolds the problem is that the true faith that Christ brought to the earth doesn't provide nearly enough opportunities for graft and ego gratification.


Good paraphrase. I think both can be reduced to variants of value extraction: psychopathic and non-psychopathic.

Five's a crowd, implies a few lurkers too. That's plenty, the rest is tactics. Sorry I'm a basketcase but I can promise to chip in at random times.

Blogger Ingot9455 September 07, 2016 6:16 PM  

@152 You are fortunate, Aeoli Pera. You can read Somewhither for the first time. I can only read it again.

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 6:41 PM  

Seriously, when was the last time any "white supremacist" - (not WN) - went after even those on the Alt-Right of varying race and ethnicity who haven't attacked them first?

Precisely. They barely bother to take more than the occasional swipe at Milo, because they know he's not the issue.

Blogger Desiderius September 07, 2016 6:55 PM  

"Agreed, and to borrow a phrase from Professor Reynolds the problem is that the true faith that Christ brought to the earth doesn't provide nearly enough opportunities for graft and ego gratification."

Graft, no, but there are riches to be had in plenty, and gratification enough, if not of the ego alone.

Were the whole realm of nature mine,
That were a present far too small;
Love so amazing, so divine,
Demands my soul, my life, my all.

Blogger Desiderius September 07, 2016 7:00 PM  

"Good luck with selling that one to a population with a 95 IQ and declining. But, you know, keep repeating it! The important thing is that you feel smart, after all."

Yeah, gnosticism is a tree, we're talking about the forest.

Just saying if anyone thinks this ends with beating the Jews, they're fooling themselves. There needs to be a reckoning of where Christianity itself went wrong, and that begins with admitting it did and does. Gnosticism is a piece of that, as it always has been, but it's far from all.

Too much that is of God was rendered unto Caesar, in exchange for what amounted to less than 20 pieces of silver.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2016 7:34 PM  

@41 C-Finstock

What you are railing against are the Churchians, which we here also despise. They are a sort of sub group of Cucks.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2016 7:39 PM  

@48 Sensi
Dear Vox,
A bit off-topic, but I've been thinking we need a name for this era in which we live and I hope, we are leaving behind. The era that encompasses the sexual revolution, the self-hatred of Westerners, the mass movement of the Third World etc. I'm not just thinking about future history lessons, it might be useful today to proclaim "the era of ... is coming to an end". Alas I can't think of a good one that could encompass all the major themes of the era and be easily recognisable and understood. Any thoughts?
---

If my books weren't all packed up in storage, I'd crack out The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. There is a statement in the front of it, and I can't remember it exactly. Something about how a thing becomes whole,and then must be separated. Then, the thing separated must become whole.

Long story short, we are at the point where it feels that something is about to become separated.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2016 7:56 PM  

@93 Marie

But why does the alt-right care about defining itself at this point?
---

IMO, it all started as some were getting out ahead of Illaries speech. No need to let the Hillaroid define the alt-right.

Blogger JimR September 07, 2016 7:57 PM  

@159 Were-Puppy
"The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide. Thus it has ever been."

Anonymous Dale Warner September 07, 2016 8:08 PM  

This discussion about boundaries to Alt-Right is a repeat of innumerable examples of the focus on who is in, and who is out. At the European
American Issues Forum and at Resisting Defamation on the West Coast we declined to craft an all-purpose "red line" for membership or even for attending our meetings because it would depend on things like the centricity of the argument (Americans, European Americans, European national diversity, the diverse white American people, defamation, populism, nationalism, etc.)

But once the focus was in place then the voice we wanted to project was a given. But it is important to note that there is a great over-lapping of centricities and voices. And to debate whether or not Jews are in or out becomes less critical. Our own shorthand rule was that anyone who was a dual citizen or who was eligible for dual citizen could not serve in a leadership capacity. And because our agendas were all about white Americans' issues and slander against white Americans, outsiders did not last long.

We've seen over the years many groups devolve. George Romney in Michigan devoted a great deal of time to Moral Re-armament but his "donors" squashed it. The Promise Keepers opened the door, and were squashed. The John Birch Society was fundamentally a front group anyway. The key is to manage the leadership and, as the Latter Day Saints learned, even tight control over leadership does not guarantee safety from SJW supremacists.

We all know whom to keep an eye on, (a) the "big frog in a small pond" guy who pulled down the European American Issues Forum, and (b) what has been called an "entryist," a person seeking admission (like Trump's snake story) to change the organization or movement.

I don't get the "Right" in Alt-Right because I don't think anything we are doing is a right-wing or Conservative thing: raising up our various White Congresses, European fora, advancing white family formation support groups, intellectually sound white educational institutions, debt-free and interest-free white financial organizations, fighting the particular substance abuses that afflict white Americans, and shifting from the French model of right versus left (which began as monarch versus republic), not to mention the strains and commotion attached to our re-tribalizing which is absolutely essential for survival. But not being a Rightist doesn't mean that I don't see the value of Alt-Right.

Thus, focus on the center of the cause and, when taken over by strangers, enemies, or SJW supremacists, move on and re-form. No group lasts forever.

Blogger Aeoli Pera September 07, 2016 8:15 PM  

This is what Neopagans actually believe. The question is whether they can bring themselves to hate their enemies more than they hate their allies.

Anonymous Pennywise September 07, 2016 8:17 PM  

"I'm not just thinking about future history lessons, it might be useful today to proclaim "the era of ... is coming to an end".

Only until there is a bloody civil war that results in the partitioning of America, then those victors will come up with a label.

I'm not holding my breath that whites, even under the most dire of economic and social circumstances, are going to grab their guns and start shooting one another, including small children--"the enemy is my future enemy".

Blogger Were-Puppy September 07, 2016 8:21 PM  

@163 Aeoli Pera
This is what Neopagans actually believe. The question is whether they can bring themselves to hate their enemies more than they hate their allies.
---

You triggered my memory of this hilarious song :
"Like Charlie Darwin and Carl Sagan, You've Evolved into a Pagan!"
https://youtu.be/0i3J44QFdWs

Blogger VD September 07, 2016 8:34 PM  

Our own shorthand rule was that anyone who was a dual citizen or who was eligible for dual citizen could not serve in a leadership capacity.

Good policy, even if it rules me out.

Anonymous Mantle of Hate September 07, 2016 9:06 PM  

I don't comment often, but I thought I'd drop in to add my support to Vox's more recent attention to the JQ, and particularly his use of the ((()))!
As mentioned in the linked article it really is the most difficult pill to swallow (insert?). Much work has been done to make any foray into the question quickly taint the explorer with a feeling of kookery, for a good reason. I noticed many years ago that when I first explored the "gender" pill, I and many others went through a period of resentment at first noticing the differences between the genders. The double standards and outright hostility to masculinity made it hard to see the 'fairer' gender as anything but treacherous and hostile.
Over time though a much more healthy view that incorporates the truth and sees the wisdom of tradition does emerge. Our natural role is to not resent women, but understand them and lead them, and ourselves.

I think a similar renewed 'self confidence' in our race and culture will eventually be the result of a healthy and frank exploration of the JQ, even though for many the first exposure may result in a sense of persecution. I think that many of the titans of our age (feminism, globalism, jewish supremacism) will all turn out to be paper tigers that quickly fall when we finally face the truth and rediscover our pride.

Blogger Robert What? September 07, 2016 9:42 PM  

@ZhukovG,

Like Vox I am an outside supporter of the Alt-Right. I always thought I was white, but according to the Alt-Right I am not. America was founded as a Christian nation and that works best even for (a small number of) outsiders who accept that and choose to live here. The first question for anyone trying to come into the "big tent" is "do you believe America was founded as a White, European, Christian nation and should remain so?" If they don't pass that test then the tent ain't that big.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx September 07, 2016 10:44 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:a thing becomes whole,and then must be separated. Then, the thing separated must become whole.

Long story short, we are at the point where it feels that something is about to become separated.


Howe & Strauss called this period "The Unraveling" in their 1995-ish book, The Fourth Turning. They thought it would begin to get serious around 2005.


Ezekiel Cassandros wrote:That's actually somewhat news to me. I only knew that he was mathematically influenced by his teacher, Minkowski. Devilishly curious, since as a scientifically educated person I've heard enough sermons of the Cult of Einstein to choke a goat.

Yeah, Einstein is a fake and a bad mathematician, as he admitted. Relativity, various flavors, was developed by others. E = mc^2 was derived by perhaps ten people prior, not just the Italian. Einstein's derivation of that equation has a mistake that suggests he work backwards from the conclusion. 'His' Special Relativity has basic errors of elementary algebra and logic. Thousands of papers have been written about this since 1905, hundreds of them are online. This is why he never got the Nobel (go ahead...). Saint Einstein plagiarist fraud wrong galilean electrodynamics poincare heaviside voight lorentz fitzgerald relativity twin paradox

Blogger Robert Buchanan September 08, 2016 1:36 AM  

Almost invariably, I always preface any address concerning the Alt-Right's members, vocal or substantial exponents and peripheral supporters with, "I hardly agree with Spencer/Tayor/Vox/Milo/Trump/et al. on everything, but..." So long as canny vigilance against entryism is vigorously exercised, that inclusiveness is a strength, virtue signalling be damned; if concord concerning conjoint dedication to nationalism, and opposition to globalism, free trade, imperialism, cultural declension, equalitarianism, central banking, etc. are sustained, I can't be bothered to care if everyone or anyone in the movement shares my opinions concerning the divinity of Christ, homosexuality, Jewish economic or political influence, etc.

Withal, such variance may benefit the Alt-Right and those who share many of its core principles: you never know when dialectic might beget a synthesis yielding some precious verity that'd be dismissed by ideologues of a more dogmatic ethos.

Blogger SciVo September 08, 2016 3:13 AM  

@ pyrrhus: As Professor Cochran and others have noted, Jewish scientific achievement has fallen off a cliff in the last 40 years.

I find it suspicious how it matches the pattern of their fellow desert tribes, the Muslims, who would also see a flowering of "discovery" as they published the work of a conquered people, which the Germans most assuradly were.

Blogger Billy Ray September 08, 2016 3:16 AM  

lots of white people are better, whites should rule a place for whites only, whites are more equal than others, white"pigs" need to get rid of others so they can be the ones to walk on two legs cause while your legs are good, two white legs are better

Nomatter how you phrase it, mask it try ot hide it..it all comes down to the alt right supporting racism and anti-semitism

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2016 3:17 AM  

Billy Ray wrote:Nomatter how you phrase it, mask it try ot hide it..it all comes down to the alt right supporting racism and anti-semitism
And your point is?
Kiss my fat white Irish ass, cuck.

Blogger Billy Ray September 08, 2016 3:19 AM  

so the white cuckservative can stay but the black guy who fought and now has a battered and broken body has to go? explain that to me all you alt rights WHO HAVE NEVER SERVED

Blogger SciVo September 08, 2016 3:23 AM  

@ Sensi/Were-Puppy:

The Era of Foolish Idealism is coming to an end.

Blogger Billy Ray September 08, 2016 3:25 AM  

so alt right's who have never even driven by a military base think they have more right to decide what happens simply because they are white than the blacks, asians and hispanics who FOUGHT to free the oppressed and support and defend the constitutional freedoms that the alt right suck on and have NEVER DEFENDED have to pack their bags? really? how do you tell a young black widow with a couple of small kids her husband died for nothing cause he wasn;t white like you KKK members?

Blogger SciVo September 08, 2016 3:29 AM  

Tamquam: Privileges are pled for, rights are exercised.

Exactly. Women's suffrage is still an open question, precisely because it is a privilege that was pled for.

Blogger SciVo September 08, 2016 3:37 AM  

Billy Ray, Black Army Guy has other Army guys to be his tribe. Unless they don't like him, in which case good bye. We don't need a gun-trained darkie that even other Army guys don't like.

Anonymous Discard September 08, 2016 3:58 AM  

Billy Ray: I served, and I can tell you that most Blacks were useless. Any unit would be much more effective with 80 Whites instead of 80 Whites and 20 Blacks. If that's racism, count me in.

Black widows? Don't they have to have been married before they can be called "widows"?

Orientals fighting for the U.S? Probably more Jews in the U.S. military than Orientals, excepting Filipinos. And non-Whites whose understanding of politics is limited to Gibs me dat do not fight to free the oppressed and support the Constitution.

Look Stupid, not everybody who signs up for three hots and a cot is a patriot. A good many of them make their greatest contribution when they take a bullet and get removed from the gene pool. Go wave your flag elsewhere.

Anonymous Discard September 08, 2016 4:08 AM  

Any Jew with an ounce of sense ought recognize that, given the example of the Neo-Conservative's subversion of the Goldwater-Reagan Right, any right-wing movement will be suspicious of them. A Jew complaining about not being trusted has just outed himself as a saboteur. If they want to help, let them pick up a shovel or a hammer and be satisfied with that, rather than trying to become the foreman.

Blogger Markku September 08, 2016 6:15 AM  

There was the race card, but it was really low energy. Sounded completely phoned-in. Sad!

Blogger SciVo September 08, 2016 6:26 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I don't know if it's something in the water, or in the food, or if it's simply the product of three generations of compound decivilization, but perhaps 25% of young people will soon be reaching adulthood without the ability to so much as man the counter at McDonalds.

That's okay if they can learn it. If they don't want to, then execute them.

Blogger SciVo September 08, 2016 6:33 AM  

residentMoron wrote:Nationalism was an unremarked byproduct of her philosophy, as I recall.

Did it result in her breeding or not? If not, then she's an enemy. Damn her to Hell.

Blogger Escoffier September 08, 2016 11:00 AM  

Does Blogger offer a commenting filter to deal with the emotionally incontinent like Billy Ray? maybe it ought to?

I do like how he got in both the racism card AND the 'did you serve' card. Exciting times.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 08, 2016 12:43 PM  

Hey, @Billy Ray,
When was the last war fought over American Freedom?

Afghanistan? Nope
GW2? Nope
GW1? Nope
Vietnam? Nope
Korea? Nope
WWII? No
WWI? Uh-uh
Spanish-American War? please.....
Various banana republic military actions? Nope
The Indian Wars? No

The last war fought over American Freedom (Ooh-Rah!) was the Civil War. Every other one has been about
1) controlling and extending the Empire
2) retaliation
3) Making Money or
4) saving a politician's ego.

Now, one of those is a legitimate reason to go to war. The rest, eehhhh not so much.
But NONE of them are about American Freedom.

Blogger Robert What? September 08, 2016 6:35 PM  

@Discard, would it surprise you that I - as a third and fourth generation American of Jewish ancestry - totally agree with you?

Anonymous Dale Warner September 08, 2016 6:58 PM  

Regarding "naming" the era we find ourselves in, our groups on the West Coast just refer to this as "The End of the Jewish Century" on the theory that Jewish organizations launched several of their winning campaigns of defamation to install the concept of "pluralism" around that 1913 to defeat the ideas of the first President Roosevelt (along with several other ventures like changing the meaning of the Statue of Liberty).

Jewish organizations have been riding high since then, but the web they cast over the United States is crumbling here and there. We may look back at 2013 as the real end of the Jewish Century.

Anonymous Discard September 10, 2016 1:04 PM  

186. Robert What?: No, I'm not surprised. Like I wrote, "Any Jew with an ounce of sense…" The sad thing is that there are too few of you.

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