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Monday, September 19, 2016

The cowardly commissioner

Roger Goodell has put his foot in it again because he's an indecisive coward who always seeks to work around the issue rather than address it directly. A USMC colonel writes a scathing letter to Goodell:
You are complicit in this! You’ll fine players for large and small infractions but you lack the moral courage and respect for our nation and the fallen to put an immediate stop to this. Yes, I know, it’s their 1st Amendment right to behave in such a despicable manner.

What would happen if they came out and disrespected you or the refs publicly?

I observed a player getting a personal foul for twerking in the end zone after scoring. I guess that’s much worse than disrespecting the flag and our National Anthem. Hmmmmm, isn’t it his 1st Amendment right to express himself like an idiot in the end zone?

Why is taunting not allowed yet taunting America is OK? You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air. They are so deprived with their multi-million dollar contracts for playing a freaking game!

You condone it all by your refusal to act.
The Marine officer hits the key point. Since the NFL aggressively fines its players for other protected expressions, its failure to do so when the players are openly disrespecting the flag and the national anthem makes them complicit in that disrespect.

Personally, I thought Bud Grant did it right. Line up straight, stand at attention, and provide a good example of discipline and respect for the kids. I was always proud of how the Grant-era Vikings looked in comparison with the slovenly, undisciplined other teams.

There is nothing wrong with what the players are doing, anymore than there was anything wrong with John Randle painting his face or Jim McMahon wearing his headbands. But the NFL's hypocrisy with regards to the matter is both wrong and contemptible.

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140 Comments:

Anonymous Elipe September 19, 2016 1:37 PM  

Yep, that list of names for the DOTR just keeps growing.

Honestly, cucks, it's not that hard to not have your name on that list. Just shut the fuck up and get out of the public space.

Just because you have an asshole doesn't mean you need to shit all over the carpet. Likewise, just because you have a mouth doesn't mean you need to spew cucked bullshit in public.

Blogger Chris Mallory September 19, 2016 1:39 PM  

Short of falling prostrate , I can't think of anything more subservient than kneeling. These players are going into a worship pose in order to protest? I don't think they realize what they are doing. Kneeling is the pose of the servant or the slave. Standing is the pose of the warrior. Sitting is the pose of the master. Let them kneel. They only make fools of themselves.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer September 19, 2016 1:40 PM  

he's a lawyer and a coward

No need to be redundant.

Anonymous Anonymous September 19, 2016 1:42 PM  

Colin Kaepernick has a First Amendment right to kneel at the national anthem. You know who else has that same First Amendment right? All the twitter trolls calling him an ungrateful fucking nigger.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 19, 2016 1:47 PM  

Wait, people are suddenly surprised and disgusted that the NFL is converged? How many years has Pink Month been going on?

It is completely to be expected that #OnlyBlackLivesMatter would have special snoflake status within oval-moneyball. Is the National Anthem still played before NBA games? If it is, expect more monkeyshines when round-moneyball season starts up.

Cuckservatives gonna cuck. The NFL sold out years ago. Why is any of this a surprise?

Anonymous BGKB September 19, 2016 1:49 PM  

I am glad that Colon Kirkpatrick is using the first amendment to show everyone TNB. And the NFL for showing what happens when you appease.

OT: There wont be many more USMC Col like that if trends continue. Remember the pictures of soldier men wearing the fake pregnancy bellies?
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/18/navy-requires-sailors-undergo-transgender-education-july-2017/

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky September 19, 2016 1:49 PM  

The kicker was when the Dallas Cowboys wanted to wear a small token on the back of their helmets as a tribute to the cops who were slain in the Dallas massacre. The NFL nixed it saying it violated this or that policy, yada yada, didn't project the image the league wanted to present and so forth.

Then the next month Colin Kaepernick shows up in pig socks and refused to stand for the anthem. And the NFL says, "Ah, what can you do? Free speech and all."

How selective can you be? It's bullshit, and now this has started off a copycat wave that is infecting even high school games. The damn left will politicize everything, this is so tiresome.

I have enough of it. I'm sitting out this season. Maybe the league will get its act together by next year, but I doubt it.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 19, 2016 1:49 PM  

Rodney Harrison took on $200,000 in fines from the NFL, so he knows what he's talking about. The least the NFL could do is to bar Colin Kaepernick from addressing racial issues, out of respect for Harrison's race. Kaepernick is "not black. He can not understand what I face and what other young black men and black people face, or people of color face, on a every single (day) basis.”

All those fines, and never once did Harrison kneel before the U.S. flag.

Blogger Dave September 19, 2016 1:51 PM  

People keep saying the players have a right to protest, and they are all wrong. "Congress shall make no law..." does not apply to the NFL. The players are exercising a privilege they enjoy at the pleasure of the league; NOT a civil right to free expression. Roger Goodell owns this 100%.

Blogger YIH September 19, 2016 1:51 PM  

That's exactly what I said yesterday in the NFL thread. If the NFL (or the player's team) wanted this crap to stop, they could fine the player. Say, $5000 per game. The league could even assess a penalty on the kickoff ''for unsportsmanlike conduct'', just like they do with sack dances and end zone antics.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 19, 2016 1:51 PM  

At least we can't say that Goodell is a racist.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 19, 2016 1:54 PM  

deplorable rubberducky

I have enough of it. I'm sitting out this season. Maybe the league will get its act together by next year, but I doubt it.


That's what I said when Pink Month started.

Anonymous BGKB September 19, 2016 2:01 PM  

At least we can't say that Goodell is a racist.

What are the odds he sucks more nigger cock than MILO?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 19, 2016 2:04 PM  

This thing has given us moments of great comedy.

Just this morning I read a piece on why the Browns should trade hard to acquire Kaepernick.

Ha!Ha!Ha! (*gasp..gasp*) Ha!Ha!Ha!

Blogger Forbes September 19, 2016 2:11 PM  

Roger Goodell is NOT a lawyer. Google is your friend. He's a former high school 3-sport jock still living in high school, apparently.

Blogger YIH September 19, 2016 2:12 PM  

If the NFL can fine Krapernick for wearing the wrong brand of headphones in pregame warmups (no, seriously) they can sure as hell fine him for this!

Blogger J Van Stry September 19, 2016 2:17 PM  

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Blogger Johnny September 19, 2016 2:17 PM  

It is more than cautious, Goodell comments were stupid. Really, really stupid. The smart and safe thing would be to discourage the practice, but push enforcement off onto the teams.

As far as these displays, I have an aversion to all of them. A display of passion that relates to the game, if not excessive, works for me. The rest of this is just using the players as a billboard for some unrelated social cause.

Enough already!

Blogger VD September 19, 2016 2:18 PM  

I warned you all before. If you don't want to watch the NFL, that's fine. But I don't tell you what to watch, so if you insist on expressing your opinion about what others are watching, you're going right into spam.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist September 19, 2016 2:21 PM  

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Blogger VD September 19, 2016 2:22 PM  

Roger Goodell is NOT a lawyer.

Hmmm, so perhaps the problem is that he ISN'T a lawyer. David Stern or Pete Rozelle would never have permitted this to become an issue.

Blogger Undocumented Pharmacist September 19, 2016 2:24 PM  

Didn't see that Dave had already addressed this NOT being a First Amendment issue. The Colonel is exactly correct in that Goodell is scum for letting this happen. I'll be watching the opening of tonight's game. Ff Philly sits down en mass, the TV is getting switched off.

Blogger Dave September 19, 2016 2:26 PM  

"What are the odds he sucks more nigger cock than MILO?"

Infinitesimally low.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 19, 2016 2:27 PM  

@10
True, and isn't that what life is really all about, now?

If the NFL wants to crack down on anti-American displays it surely has all the authority needed to do that. The fact that the NFL commissioners have not stopped this simply means that they tacitly approve of it, or agree with it.

Or they are afraid to crack down, which is merely another form of the same nonsense.

This just isn't complicated. The NFL is taking sides. Might as well hire #OnlyBlackLivesMatter for commentary and get the slide really going.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 19, 2016 2:35 PM  

Now an entire high school team follows the NFL's lead.

In Seattle, is anyone surprised?

By next weekend we should see quite a few more high school teams doing this. When will it spread to colleges? Probably soon, starting with the black-majority ones I'd expect. Just like the annointing of St. Trayvon a few years back, the trend will have to run its course.

I wonder when a majority of people will get tired of stuff like this?

Anonymous Watchu talkin bout Willis September 19, 2016 2:38 PM  

For a league that long touted the concept of "parity" by which in any given year, any given team had a shot to rise up and win, the NFL's self-professed alliance with egalitarianism is laughable considering the seemingly perpetual dominance of certain teams like the Patriots, Broncos and Steelers, year after year, decade after decade.

Blogger YIH September 19, 2016 2:40 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:This thing has given us moments of great comedy.

Just this morning I read a piece on why the Browns should trade hard to acquire Kaepernick.

Ha!Ha!Ha! (*gasp..gasp*) Ha!Ha!Ha!

Aw, geez, you ain't kidding. I guess they deserve each other ;)

Anonymous happyworkingwoman September 19, 2016 2:40 PM  

The problem isn't really Goodell; it's the owners. And there were rumors that the league was going to address it before the season started but then Kaep's jersey sales skyrocketed. Right now it's the money talking. They'll let the players keep doing this so long as the fan base is split: all you guys are doing is complaining and bitching while the people supporting him are spending $99 plus tax.

Further, the whole reason this blew up is the attitude of the guy being quoted. Since when does someone's salary mean they can't have an opinion? As Shannon Sharpe said, never has that been said about anyone else: no one says Ellen is too privileged to speak on gay issues; Caitlyn Jenner can say whatever s/he wants and no one points out privilege there. But the black dude speaks and all of sudden it's sit down, be quiet and count the money we give you. If people had just stuck to it's disrespectful to the flag and the veterans, more regular fans would have likely been against Kaep.

Anonymous >>The October Shiv September 19, 2016 2:43 PM  

Tim Tebow:
2x national championships
2x all american
2x SEC player of the year
1 heisman trophy
>>>american legend<<<

he kneels before a game and gets blackballed by (((the owners of the NFL))) because ???



SF faggottt Kaepernick:
2x white parents
2x WACk player of the year
1 fresh new cornrow haircut to beg for the unrequited love of his
1 black father that ran out on him and left him for dead

he kneels before a game to shieeet on the national flag and anthem and (((the owners of the NFL))) give him primetime TV camera time and a $20 million paycheck.

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 19, 2016 2:48 PM  

Tebow can't make NFL throws.

Anonymous Difster September 19, 2016 2:50 PM  

If they don't want to stand, fine. Just stay in the locker room until it's all over. If they don't put a stop to this nonsense now, they're just going to keep escalating it. What's next? Taking a knee in the middle of the play to protest? Intentionally passing to the other team? Throwing a whole game?

Or what issue will be the next one they pick to protest the National Anthem? Trump winning the election? Gender mandates for bathrooms?

If they allow the game to get more politicized, they'll just lose viewers and eyeballs on screens.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 19, 2016 2:50 PM  

But the NFL's hypocrisy with regards to the matter is both wrong and contemptible."

I totally agree on this point.

The difference with the other anthics is that they disrupt the actual game.

I think that Kaepernick et al should be told to stay in the locker for the duration of the government worship time.

Maybe it is time to require all spectators in the stadium to raise a uSA flag during the anthem or be thrown out. And do not forget to do the same when America The Brautifull played.

Do not agree? What are you, a commie pinko unamerican?

Blogger praetorian September 19, 2016 2:53 PM  

More food for thought on the bread and circuses aspect of the NFL:

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/9/15/in-the-arena

NB: I'm done with the NFL (the Niners were always hard to be passionate about in their gay-ass gold unis and the haze of bay area smug) but I still love college ball. So I appreciate the conflict between the athleticism, history and strategy on the one side and the increasingly discivic nature of the sport on the other.

Anonymous BGKB September 19, 2016 2:56 PM  

Time to mercy kill the NFL https://www.yahoo.com/news/belgium-euthanises-terminally-ill-child-landmark-case-092154337.html

Caitlyn Jenner can say whatever s/he wants and no one points out privilege there.

You are wrong about that after Jenner came out as a republican.

Blogger Fred September 19, 2016 2:57 PM  

Kneeling in submission is laudable. Kneeling in prayer finable.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 19, 2016 2:57 PM  

Easy solution is to just stop playing the national anthem at NFL events. Ban US flags as well. Problem solved, right?

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 19, 2016 3:02 PM  

14. Forbes September 19, 2016 2:11 PM
Roger Goodell is NOT a lawyer.



true. but on that note, economists aren't much noted for their courage either.


28. >>The October Shiv September 19, 2016 2:43 PM
SF faggottt Kaepernick:
2x white parents



no, that's 3x white parents.

his birth mother and both of his adoptive parents are white. it's only his absentee biological father who's black.

and, just like Obama, he identifies with the abandoning father rather than those who loved and raised him.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 19, 2016 3:03 PM  

But the NFL's hypocrisy with regards to the matter is both wrong and contemptible."

I totally agree on this point.

The difference with the other anthics is that they disrupt the actual game.

I think that Kaepernick et al should be told to stay in the locker for the duration of the government worship time.

Maybe it is time to require all spectators in the stadium to raise a uSA flag during the anthem or be thrown out. And do not forget to do the same when America The Brautifull played.

Do not agree? What are you, a commie pinko unamerican?

Blogger tz September 19, 2016 3:06 PM  

NFL=SJW
The problem with the NFL is the same problem with Twitter.
They are sorta, kinda, in support of free speech, but then when it crosses a line and a special snowflake melts down, clutches its pearls or family jewels and retires to the fainting couch, they do totalitarian bans.

An even worse problem is the NFL is allowing these players to make Millions and the problems are occurring "on the clock". Fire the lot of them. This is especially annoying when some ambiguous event occurs on an elevator security camera, and they suspend, fine, or fire the player though it occurred off field and was a leak, while things that occur while people want to watch a football game are ignored.

Anonymous >>The October Shiv September 19, 2016 3:15 PM  

the NFL is so jood out as of late...
here in LA the (((media))) hyped up the lambs so fawking hard for a year.
politically, socially, economically- you name it (((they))) were pushing for it. the only people that cared about the la lambs in LA are over the age of 60. they weren't on TV when I was younger, which is why thankfully when I turned on my first game it was that sick blue team with that STAR.

anywho...after thrusting this shiett franchise on us natives and taxpayers, they keep pumping up the hype. we get it, you're here. but that's not the point. the point is that even if this team goes 3-13 every year, which they did back in the day- this time around (((they)))) don't care. LA people are to be milked and fleeced. we are walking shekels to be had.

I went to the first game at the Coli because that fawking STAR baby! It was glorious. over half were rooting for that STAR. a quarter were LA yuppie lambs "fans" that bought a shirt because (((espn))) told them too. the other quarter were dudes that admitted to being cowboy fans but were now wearing lambs gear over the cowboy gear LMAO! it was 100 degrees, there were 90,000 people there, and 50,000 were lined up before the game buying 16oz of beer for $15 dollars usd. the point of the NFL is to milk and fleece the prolish goys of their shekels.


i don't like pro sports because once you pay these people the beauty of the term "sport" is thrown away imo. that's why hs and college kick ass. fawk these greedy, overpriced, pampered, coddled, 5 star, iq80 rapists that we call pro athletes.

Blogger The Reactionary September 19, 2016 3:17 PM  

Vox wants a Safe Space to discuss the NFL.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 19, 2016 3:17 PM  

he kneels before a game and gets blackballed by (((the owners of the NFL))) because ???

Because he can't play quarterback in the NFL.

Blogger GFR September 19, 2016 3:18 PM  

@37
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I don't think you've thought this all the way through Jaime..
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How would the NFL ensure that all the people watching the game at HOME were ALSO waving American flags?
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The difference between the situation of the spectators and the players is that the one is PAYING through the teeth to watch the game while the other is being PAID to play the game.
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Maybe a clause in their contracts should require them to be respectful to the United States. If they don't agree to that contract I'm sure the NFL can find some alternative players who will be..

Anonymous questioner September 19, 2016 3:19 PM  

@VD

So what should our response to this be, as NFL fans? What action can be taken to change the situation?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 19, 2016 3:21 PM  

Granted I've never been a football fan, but why do you guys keep watching?

Because I like football.

Anonymous Ronnie September 19, 2016 3:22 PM  

@45

Speaking for myself, it would be time to live out your principles and stop watching a game that is anti-White and anti-American.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 19, 2016 3:24 PM  

This is Vox's sinister experiment (he's laughing maniacally) to see how long readers of "SJWs Always Lie" and "Cuckservative" will also put up with getting cucked on the NFL.

You must be new here.

One of the first rules of this blog is "the NFL is never off topic."

Blogger Silent Cal September 19, 2016 3:25 PM  

I did not leave the NFL, the NFL left me.

Anonymous Difster September 19, 2016 3:29 PM  

Ronnie wrote:@45

Speaking for myself, it would be time to live out your principles and stop watching a game that is anti-White and anti-American.



I'm not ceding anymore territory.

Blogger GFR September 19, 2016 3:30 PM  

@37
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I don't think you've thought this all the way through Jaime..
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How would the NFL ensure that all the people watching the game at HOME were ALSO waving American flags?
.
The difference between the situation of the spectators and the players is that the one is PAYING through the teeth to watch the game while the other is being PAID to play the game.
.
Maybe a clause in their contracts should require them to be respectful to the United States. If they don't agree to that contract I'm sure the NFL can find some alternative players who will be..

Blogger Guitar Man September 19, 2016 3:32 PM  

If you hate football, you're probably a fag.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 19, 2016 3:35 PM  

So what should our response to this be, as NFL fans? What action can be taken to change the situation?

If you don't like the NFL, don't watch the NFL.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 19, 2016 3:37 PM  

These clowns are entertainers. That's all they are.

Just like the people whose "emoting" is recorded by cameras while they read lines written by others, we see mid- or dull-witted entertainers confuse celebrity and high pay with an actual measure of the content of their thoughts.

I guess we could elect a donkey to POTUS (or NFL commissioner) if first the ass collected a high enough paycheck.

Blogger SouthRon September 19, 2016 3:37 PM  

OT: Louise Mensch is totally losing her fucking mind.

Hillary Clinton Is Absolutely Right, ‘Pepe’ Meme Is Antisemitic – An Apology

Blogger YIH September 19, 2016 3:38 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Now an entire high school team follows the NFL's lead.

In Seattle, is anyone surprised?

By next weekend we should see quite a few more high school teams doing this. When will it spread to colleges? Probably soon, starting with the black-majority ones I'd expect. Just like the annointing of St. Trayvon a few years back, the trend will have to run its course.

I wonder when a majority of people will get tired of stuff like this?


Of course I'm not surprised, that's exactly why the NFL started cracking down on sack dances and endzone celebrations 30 years ago!
High school players were copying it. What goes around, comes around.
BTW, before you say ''Oh soccer's much more classy than that!'' Watch this. I KEK'd.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 19, 2016 3:39 PM  

"Don't watch the NFL" (or buy the crap advertised during games.)

Double-check! Unless Federal, Hornady or Winchester start advertising their ammunition lines on TV, I'm not in danger of patronizing the sponsors of our modern circuses.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 19, 2016 3:43 PM  

All evidence continues to line up that we're entering an acceleration of decline. Everyone, from the NFL to the schools to churches to whatever, is playing his or her assigned part to see that whatever it is that supports their lives will be degraded and potentially destroyed.

Look at central bankers: Their product is credit, and demand for it is so pathetic that even if they price it below cost (NIRP) no one wants it. Like I said, everyone contributes to the trend...so as the trend turns from up to down, everyone will do their part to grease the skids to decline.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda September 19, 2016 3:44 PM  

These mesomorphic goons have four skills. Running, throwing, catrching and hurtling themselves into each other. They've been treated special since they were 8 years old and ran for three touchdowns.

Now they are immature men playing a game that had a good chance of making them senile or worse at an early age.

Time to ignore them.

Anonymous FP September 19, 2016 3:45 PM  

The Reactionary wrote:Vox wants a Safe Space to discuss the NFL.

I thought that was the weekly NFL threads?

I thought threads like these was where we could state we don't care or aren't watching booby cancer month-ball?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 19, 2016 3:45 PM  

Because I like football.

This, this and only this.

Blogger SouthRon September 19, 2016 3:46 PM  

Identity > Culture > Politics

Blogger dc.sunsets September 19, 2016 3:51 PM  

Back in 2000 or 2001 it looked like the trend was rolling over and it was baseball that really went south. A lot of baseball fans were really let down by the doping scandals, et. al. Average game attendance took a major hit.

No one knows the future, but the present looks to be serving up a lot of acrimony among football fans. Some are boycotting. Some call for the NFL's managers to pull their heads out of their butts.

If this Grand Supercycle truly is finally throwing off signs of reversal, football fans (and movie fans and baseball fans and soccer fans and hockey fans...) in all likelihood will enjoy their favorite pastime less.

Now MMA, OTOH....maybe it will turn into Rollerball.

Blogger SDaly September 19, 2016 3:51 PM  

Goodell's father was a squish "Rockefeller Republican" Senator from New York, and his brother is a gay man "married" to a Hollywood writer. What sort of courage or consistency could you expect from him.

Anonymous Poo flinger September 19, 2016 3:58 PM  

And no moment of silence for fallen Harambe?

FU Roger Goodell you POS!

Blogger J Van Stry September 19, 2016 3:59 PM  

@29 no, he can only win games.

Blogger praetorian September 19, 2016 4:19 PM  

Start watching hockey and golf

Golf is unwatchable with young kids due to the ever-more-porny erectile dysfunction commercials you have to deal with.

Baseball on MLBtv is pretty good: no commercials, very little commentary. It is getting blackity-blacked up a little bit (i.e. the Puig bat flips) but it sounds like there are enough good ol' boys throwing 95+ to keep a lid on it.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 19, 2016 4:19 PM  

Imagine if the citizens of the USA experienced a bust commensurate with the preceding boom, at the scale of the 1930's following the 1920's.

Every sponsor, every advertiser put to the wall by declines in sales. Do we imagine anyone will have the slightest tolerance for anything that off-puts any member of their largest demographic?

The NFL can't run on advertisers for weaves, hair gel and straightening agents.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 19, 2016 4:20 PM  

The not watch sports people ought to lead by example and do something instead of preach.

Kapernick is an ass among asses, don't really care what black people do. don't wish black people of good will bad tidings but I am not put on Earth to scold black people.

If the NFL wants to let these children up their act to naked savagery and running about ass raping the white and (((white))) caste whores in the media booths I am ok with that.

If you still like sports but are disgusted with the PC check out castefootball.com for a different viewpoint than what you get from Evil Sports Network and its imitators.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 19, 2016 4:26 PM  

@73
Further off topic as I've said all I have to say on the topic.

Some parts of flyover are inching that way, slowly. The high-end auto body shop that used to put out competition quality cars changes to more ordinary work, then gets bought by a chain. The SWPL bakery drops down to more ordinary baked goods, then becomes a breakfast place, then goes out of business.

The down home restaurant goes downscale, then out of business.

The high end "pre-owned" auto business starts selling more Caddy's and fewer Mercedes, then it moves to Lexus, then it becomes just another used car lot. Then it goes bust.

The high end B&B becomes starts running weekend specials, then closes the dining room except for dinner, then tries Sunday brunch, then does a remodel, then closes for a while and comes back as a much lower end inn.

I've seen all of the above in the last 7 years. A lot of people apparently chose to try to ride out the results of the '08 crash, and after a few years of pouring reserves into their business they have to quit.

I've seen arguments that the US is in a depression as deep as the one in the 30's, it's just papered over with credit and more resources in reserve. If that's true, then when credit vaporizes we are in for one heck of a ride.

Blogger VD September 19, 2016 4:27 PM  

Vox wants a Safe Space to discuss the NFL.

No, it's about not permitting a bunch of off-topic narcissists to try to hijack the discussion of the NFL in order to preen about how they don't watch it.

Don't cry about how your comments start disappearing on other threads. Once Blogger's spam filter picks you up, you never know what it's going to catch. Every off-topic preener has been spammed.

Anonymous Maximo Macaroni September 19, 2016 4:29 PM  

The annoyance of pink footballs and sideline sob sisters was not enough to get me off football. Kaepernick is. NFL, you're dead to me.

Blogger Matamoros September 19, 2016 4:30 PM  

It is obvious that Goodell is an SJW, and he has converged the NFL.

I only watch the Super Bowl if there are some decent teams in it, and occasionally a regular game.

But the thugs pretending to be football players lost me years back.

They aren't intelligent enough to run the old complex plays that made the game great. Not to mention that the receivers have to wear special gloves to catch the ball. Pussies. Give me Lombardi's Packers any day.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 19, 2016 4:31 PM  

I disagree with the current rationale. Anyone here up in arms about this issue really not see there is plenty to be upset with the damn FedGov, to the point that just about everything they do is unconstitutional and that we point and say the Constitution is a dead letter?

Aren't civil asset forfeitures enough to warrant revulsion and protest?

Anonymous I Am Irony, Man September 19, 2016 4:41 PM  

VD: "No, it's about not permitting a bunch of off-topic narcissists to try to hijack the discussion of the NFL in order to preen about how they don't watch it."

It's like atheists popping up in a Christianity thread to point out how they no longer follow God.

I'm not real confident that any of the preeners will make the associative link, though....

Anonymous W. Lindsay Wheeler September 19, 2016 4:55 PM  

America is a failed state. There is no unity whatsoever. So much going on. All this about "freedom and liberty" and it is falling apart.

I now refuse to stand for moments of silence and the pledge of allegiance. I don't play charades. It's over.

Blogger praetorian September 19, 2016 4:58 PM  

Vox, one of my previous comments got spammed (I said, in quotes "nword-ball" as an example of unhelpful rhetoric on the topic, which might have gotten caught in the filters.)

I hope my comments on the topic are reasonable, even if you disagree with them.

Blogger YIH September 19, 2016 4:59 PM  

@61 dc.sunsets:
Now MMA, OTOH....maybe it will turn into Rollerball.
That would be awesome. I'm surprised no one tried to start an IRL Rollerball league. Roller derby has come and gone several times (between tennis and the WNBA I guess there's simply not enough lesbos to go around) but not Rollerball.
One thing MMA has going for it is it doesn't have the perception of being 'fixed' - like boxing does, and now the WWE is rather open about it being fake.

OpenID aew51183 September 19, 2016 5:01 PM  

In the mean time, long time VD debate partner Louise Mensch has now gone full hillary toadie in the worst way possible, is now trying to "GamerGate" Pepe the frog.
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/09/19/heat-street-attacks-pepe-the-frog-agrees-with-clinton/

Blogger Nate September 19, 2016 5:10 PM  

" You fine players for wearing 9-11 commemorative shoes yet you allow scum on the sidelines to sit, kneel or pump their pathetic fist in the air"

For the record... the NFL has never fined anyone for wearing 9-11 themed cleats. There was talk amongst the idiot media that it would happen, but it did not happen and it was never in danger of happening.

Blogger Nate September 19, 2016 5:11 PM  

"Vox wants a Safe Space to discuss the NFL."

Its his blog moron. You're basically walking into someone's living room and telling them what they should and should not talk about.

Then you wonder why we call you morons.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 19, 2016 5:12 PM  

I have never been spammed, which must mean I'm awesome.

Okay, that's idiocy.

But truly, was the point here not clear? I love the NFL. I love my Patriots. I hate what Goodell is making of football, but I am not ready to pack up and bail yet.

Clear?

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 19, 2016 5:15 PM  

That would be awesome. I'm surprised no one tried to start an IRL Rollerball league. Roller derby has come and gone several times (between tennis and the WNBA I guess there's simply not enough lesbos to go around) but not Rollerball.

During the original Rollerball movie, the entire cast of players would play games of it (with the motorcycle) using the modified rules from the short story so that the games on film looked real. I think some of the bruises you see in the movie are actually from the game.

Blogger Nate September 19, 2016 5:19 PM  

"I love my Patriots."

Boston Tacklin' Faggots

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 19, 2016 5:23 PM  

I love you too Nate

Anonymous BGKB September 19, 2016 5:24 PM  

Because he can't play quarterback in the NFL.

Since they changed the game to allow for blacks to not totally fail as quarterbacks the few black QBs they have got the kid glove treatment. Would they have tried to bring Mike Vic back if he
wasn't black?

If you hate football, you're probably a fag.

Blogger Nate September 19, 2016 5:27 PM  

"I love you too Nate"

Well... we won't be takin' long showers together into the wee hours of the mornin'... but I will say I agree completely about that jackwagon Goodell.

I hate that sumbitch.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 19, 2016 5:28 PM  

Amen. Let's forego the long showers. But if we ever do the Ilk get-together in the Northeast, the pints are on me.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 19, 2016 5:35 PM  

They aren't intelligent enough to run the old complex plays that made the game great.

Do you have any examples of "old complex plays" that aren't being run today?

Not to mention that the receivers have to wear special gloves to catch the ball.

Do you remember stickum?

Blogger Student in Blue September 19, 2016 5:36 PM  

@JaimeInTexas
I disagree with the current rationale. Anyone here up in arms about this issue really not see there is plenty to be upset with the damn FedGov,

The rationale may be disagreeable, but it's a very logical reaction. People hate hate hate their favorite recreational activity getting messed with, especially if it's the only good thing in their life.

Since people are by majority emotional thinkers, there should be zero surprise when modifying someone's favored hobby results in a very out-of-proportion response, in comparison to more logical "important things" that they ought to be upset about.

Take GamerGate, for example.

Blogger Bard September 19, 2016 5:41 PM  

Well, the announcer could say "AND NOW LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE KNEEL FOR THE PLAYING OF OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM". Krapernic would then promptly stand just to show how uniquely special a second rate back up failed starting QB can be.

Blogger Bard September 19, 2016 5:42 PM  

I do wonder if he gets a chance to play, how many other players are willing to risk a fine for a cheap shot to end his season

Blogger Bard September 19, 2016 5:45 PM  

I do wonder if he gets a chance to play, how many other players are willing to risk a fine for a cheap shot to end his season

Blogger Desiderius September 19, 2016 5:51 PM  

Goodell, Silver et. al. are post-Americans, not Americans. They don't want any backsliding.

Blogger praetorian September 19, 2016 5:54 PM  

I'd like to see some white shit-lord football player (there have to be a bunch, right?) knock out a Bellamy Salute during the anthem.

Blogger arthur thurman September 19, 2016 5:56 PM  

I remember when the receiver could actually run the correct routes.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 19, 2016 5:57 PM  

I remember when the receiver could actually run the correct routes.

Option routes

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 19, 2016 6:09 PM  

I think it would be hilarious if Chip Kelly would stick Kaepernick in for a trick play: The Statue of Liberty.

Now, would he stand for that, kneel, or just huddle masses?

Anonymous JAG September 19, 2016 6:11 PM  

This is one of the reasons I am Alt Right. Every form of entertainment and enjoyment for me has been encroached, and politicized by the left. It renders it no longer enjoyable. I'm tired of surrendering things I enjoy to the left. In other words, the left just won't leave me the fuck alone.

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep September 19, 2016 6:38 PM  

@37 - As Shannon Sharpe said, never has that been said about anyone else

Yes, that noted historian Professor Sharpe and his unassailable data about how this has never, never happened to anyone else.

no one says Ellen is too privileged

Until she posted a Usain Bolt pic that some clowns started a point and shriek routine about.

Caitlyn Jenner can say whatever s/he wants

As noted upthread, until xir came out as a *gasp* Republican. Or when xir walked from any charges in a deadly auto accident.

Besides the absurd hand-waving "NO ONE ELSE EVER!", the whole point of Kap's protest was #OnlyBlackLivesMatter. Any cuckian 'if only we had acted color blind in response it'd be okay' is a 'Be a Goodwhite' evasion from fear of being labeled 'rayyyysssist!'.

I feel both amusement and depression about how these sort of "free expression" events always demonstrate just how little most people understand about the First Amendment. No wonder the Second flummoxes them so badly; it has a dependent clause!

Blogger ChickenChicken Sweep September 19, 2016 6:41 PM  

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Blogger Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque September 19, 2016 6:56 PM  

Kapernick has Chip Kelly as his coach and still he was beaten-out of the starting QB job by Whitey - a white man with blonde hair.

That is the unexamined psychological trauma that Kap resolved by undertaking the protest?

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 19, 2016 6:56 PM  

LOL

The sad thing is that even Christians would kneel.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 19, 2016 7:14 PM  

It can't be that. Rodney didn't even know he was mixed.

Blogger eharmonica September 19, 2016 7:20 PM  

The game is far faster and more complicated than 40 years ago. Heck, even Terry Bradshaw was bright enough to play qb back then.

Blogger Elder Son September 19, 2016 7:25 PM  

Don't forget, the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem is written in our constitution. Along with the penalties for not gyrating your loins in adulation every time it is spoken or sung.

And Israel. Don't forget Israel.

Anonymous Tipsy September 19, 2016 7:26 PM  

There has been some whining recently about MLB players not protesting the National Anthem because "it is a white man's sport." Part of the editorializing concerned the fact that African Americans are somewhat under-represented in MLB, leading to, as you can expect, all sorts of dubious analysis.

In that analysis, there was one angle they missed. It strikes me that one of the reasons AAs are underrepresented in the MLB is that baseball requires a lot of training and organisation at a young age and outside the purview of the schools. That kind of organisation requires solid communities and involved parents (read fathers). If one were to correct for these variables, I would guess that the AA participation rate in the MLB would be on par (or higher) relative to other groups.

Blogger Elder Son September 19, 2016 7:32 PM  

I thought by now, Americans would be boycotting National League Sports, just by the very fact that they have been co-opted by the DHS/TSA.

Blogger Mike Romkey September 19, 2016 7:35 PM  

I'm not watching any NFL until this nonsense is stopped. And I have to say I'm not missing it. I'd rather watch soccer, though I have a hard time convincing myself pro sports is anything more than ritualized tribal warfare cleaned up so that it can be sold to advertisers.

Anonymous JAG September 19, 2016 7:41 PM  

The actual football on the field has been great so far. I've enjoyed several games not involving my favorite team just on the appreciation of the sport perspective.

The political stuff is a distraction, that hopefully peters out after it runs its course. I don't personally give a shit what Kap's politics are, I just wish he would do it on his own time.

Anonymous D.E. Heeren September 19, 2016 7:44 PM  

I liked the point about football being a game. A game infected with niggers is a game I will not watch.

Anonymous Godfrey September 19, 2016 8:02 PM  

Sorry guys, but F*#& the NFL. I'm done with it.

And it's not because of the National Anthem. As long as the wars continue and the fiat currency system exists I won't stand up for it either. No, I'm done with the NFL because I hate its hypocrisy.

Anonymous Be Deplorable, Not Afraid September 19, 2016 8:03 PM  

Given the NFL's willlingness to punish some forms of expression and not others (and in fact *require* some--isn't pink gear required?), would it not be reasonable to conclude that the league in fact supports the demonstrations? The league could claim it does not, but the lack of action renders the assertion unsupportable.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 19, 2016 8:17 PM  

Inrelated.

ZeroHedge, The ConservativeTreeHouse and others are reporting that the smoking gun of intent to destroy Hillary's subpoened email evidence has been found.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/09/19/discovery-2014-reddit-archive-platte-river-networks-paul-combetta-oh-shit-guy-requesting-tech-help-to-strip-vips-emails/

Blogger Cash September 19, 2016 8:36 PM  

They don't call it the No Fun League for nothing.

That is how I feel after the last few years.... it just isn't fun anymore.

I haven't watched but maybe a half so far this year.

Blogger Lazarus September 19, 2016 8:36 PM  

Is anyone taking a list of names of those who ply their trade in the NFL and demonstrate during the anthem? It would interesting to compare that list with the list of names on the rosters of NFL teams a couple of years from now. If I was not a star player, I would not be cutting my own throat for a fad.

Maybe the NFL is taking the right approach.

I notice it went from all the Eagles sitting to 2 guys with fists in the air.

Where will those two be next year?

Blogger Lazarus September 19, 2016 9:11 PM  

When the company I used to work for had to make layoffs, (back in the day of business cycles) the troublemakers and parasites went first.

Couldn't help it. Not personal, just business.

Blogger Nate September 19, 2016 9:37 PM  

"Do you have any examples of "old complex plays" that aren't being run today?"

The run and shoot is significantly more demanding mentally on WRs than just about anything run today.

Blogger Nate September 19, 2016 9:38 PM  

remember Whiz was running Run and Shoot concepts in his offense in TN and the WRs couldn't hack it.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein September 19, 2016 9:45 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:

Not to mention that the receivers have to wear special gloves to catch the ball.

Do you remember stickum?


Lester Hayes says "Hi."

Blogger Bard September 19, 2016 9:55 PM  

The raised fist is a black power sign and is racist. How about all the white players render a Nazi salute for white solidarity. It is not racist after all, only white power.

Blogger Bard September 19, 2016 9:56 PM  

Sorry, should have been is not called out as racist

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Blogger jandolin September 19, 2016 10:40 PM  

Roger Goodell and the NFL's primary concern is that nothing adversely affects their revenues. They suppressed and repudiated studies about concussions until the evidence was so overwhelming they had to admit the truth about concussions. Then they created a billion dollar fund to care for NFL players who suffered from concussion injuries because the NFL owners knew that bad publicity would cost them fans. Goodell and the NFL have made a business calculation that the booboisie that watch NFL games will tolerate the the offensive behavior of kapernick and crew and will continue to watch the games.

Blogger YIH September 19, 2016 10:44 PM  

Tipsy wrote:There has been some whining recently about MLB players not protesting the National Anthem because "it is a white man's sport." Part of the editorializing concerned the fact that African Americans are somewhat under-represented in MLB, leading to, as you can expect, all sorts of dubious analysis.

In that analysis, there was one angle they missed. It strikes me that one of the reasons AAs are underrepresented in the MLB is that baseball requires a lot of training and organisation at a young age and outside the purview of the schools. That kind of organisation requires solid communities and involved parents (read fathers). If one were to correct for these variables, I would guess that the AA participation rate in the MLB would be on par (or higher) relative to other groups.

Another reason, baseball fields require quite a bit of maintenance. Fencing, mound, infield, outfield, benches, stands, ect. Anyone want to do those things in dinduland? Not me. Nor can such 'hoods afford all that upkeep made worse by random gunfire, drug/alcohol debris and hostile, destructive populace.
A basketball court or even a football/soccer field is affordable, baseball, not so much.
Hence, Africans don't get the early exposure to the sport that Americans and Hispanics do.

Anonymous Deplorable Jack Amok September 19, 2016 11:11 PM  

Goodell is probably the perfect commissioner to represent our times. Overpaid, incompetent, kisses up and kicks down, overreacts to any perceived challenge to his authority, underreacts to actual problems, coasts along on the gradually declining momentum achieved by those who came before...

I love football and I still watch, but I can see an end to that in the near future. The game is in the hands of people who don't know what made it great and who think they can tinker with it and the fans will just always be there.

Anonymous Deplorable Jack Amok September 19, 2016 11:15 PM  

Part of the editorializing concerned the fact that African Americans are somewhat under-represented in MLB, leading to, as you can expect, all sorts of dubious analysis.

Didn't used to be that way. Used to be a lot of Blacks in baseball. But then the Black community used to be a little more coherent. Civilization was at least the goal, and people tried.

Plus, just like so many former Black areas in SoCal, the Latinos are driving them out.

Anonymous Ronnie September 19, 2016 11:16 PM  

Any man who obsesses about young black men running up and down a court or patch of grass would seemingly have to possess some homosexual tendencies.

That being said, it is highly doubtful that the NFL will curtail or penalize these so called protests. And furthermore, most White NFL fans will eventually just accept what their negro heroes are doing on the sidelines.

Blogger Lazarus September 19, 2016 11:17 PM  

Bard wrote:The raised fist is a black power sign and is racist. How about all the white players render a Nazi salute for white solidarity. It is not racist after all, only white power.


praetorian wrote:I'd like to see some white shit-lord football player (there have to be a bunch, right?) knock out a Bellamy Salute during the anthem.

Just thought I would get you two together.

Note that the Bellamy salute is receptive with palm upward, and the Nazi salute is oppressive, palm down.

I think it is an good option. If you want to be prayerful about it and avoid the ignorant Nazi stigma, use both hands.

Totally non-threatening.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 19, 2016 11:47 PM  

Ronnie, do you even lift?

Because if you think liking sports makes someone homo, you must be in the running for most non-athletic dweeb here.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky September 19, 2016 11:50 PM  

Well, we have the commish's comments now:

http://ijr.com/2016/09/696574-nfl-commissioner-stokes-the-fire-by-calling-national-anthem-protests-progress/

It's a full-on embrace of social justice goals towards progress. He says, "We want them to use that voice."

He's egging this stuff on.

Blogger Desiderius September 20, 2016 12:03 AM  

"He's egging this stuff on."

Of course he is. They're doing it for their paymasters, not their race.

Anonymous Ronnie September 20, 2016 12:03 AM  

Actually Jack, I train in BJJ. Blue belt.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 20, 2016 12:13 AM  

Actually Jack, I train in BJJ. Blue belt.

So, you grab other men with your hands and writhe around on the ground grappling with them, but you call watching a sport gay?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 20, 2016 12:40 AM  

Holy shit, guys. I just jumped into this thread. The letter in the OP was written by my old CO of 1st Light Armored Reconnaisance Battalion. Colonel Powers is an absolute bad ass.

Anonymous Ronnie September 20, 2016 12:52 AM  

Jack, watching black men running around in tight uniforms cheering them on like pubescent girls is completely different than actual training and competing.

In fact, I have more respect for the football players in question than I do for the male couch potato cheerleaders that worship them.

Anonymous Mr. Plow September 20, 2016 1:20 AM  

>Ronnie's preening intensifies.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky September 20, 2016 1:21 AM  

Desiderius@130 I wonder who's paying him, his advertisers have to be very unhappy. The NFL ratings are down 20% from last year. Several club owners are rumored to be fit to be tied.

It seems to be another case where once an organization becomes converged then it starts doing things against its interest and losing its way. Goddell's statement there convinced me that they are indeed in an advanced stage of convergence, as suspected.

Everybody always thought so many aspects of the NFL front office were too aggressive, such in McMahon's headband dust-up. And also the corporate citizenship and public relations aspects were heavy handed and idiotic, such as all the pinkness. But most had the idea that behind all that puffery and nonsense real football men were involved in the actually important operations. Well that's smashed, Goddell has come out as a SJW.

The owners would do well to stage a regime change.

Anonymous Deplorable Jack Amok September 20, 2016 1:37 AM  


In fact, I have more respect for the football players in question than I do for the male couch potato cheerleaders that worship them.


Funny how you think watching them compete is the same a worshipping them.

But nevermind all that. Since you're into BJJ (huh, we were talking about gay? - oh, right, nevermind), tell me about it. What made you pick that over something else? Blue Belt means you're not a beginner, but you're still relatively new. What other martial arts have you studied, and how does BJJ compare?

Asking to learn more about it. I'm mostly a boxer - I prefer the striking styles - but curious what you find good and bad about the throw-centered styles.

Anonymous Deplorable Jack Amok, Hit to a Defenseless Receiver, 15 yards September 20, 2016 1:46 AM  

But most had the idea that behind all that puffery and nonsense real football men were involved in the actually important operations.

That's been pretty obviously incorrect for a while. Just look at the instant-replay nonsense. If real football men were involved, there would be an official in the replay booth with a buzzer to tell the head ref he had a better angle on the call and it would get handled the same with two on-field refs disagreeing is now. Brief discussion, Referee (i.e. the "manager" in charge of the officiating crew) decides who to trust, and goes with their call.

Instead we have all these fucking theatrics with red flags, and going "under the hood" and convoluted explanations... it's theatrics instead of competition. "Real football men" knew that the theatrics were inherent in the competition. The hollow men who run it now think theatrics are a substitute for competition.

Blogger VD September 20, 2016 5:17 AM  

You're obviously more attracted to black men than Milo is, Ronnie. I haven't seen projection like this since NK Jemisin called me a self-admitted anti-Semite.

In the meantime, I will continue to support my fellow Native American Sam Bradford.

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