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Wednesday, September 14, 2016

The Flight 93 election, revisited

Publius Decius Mus is taking a considerable amount of flak from conservatives because he is directly over the target, which is the staunchly pusillanimous way in which they have betrayed America and Americans for at least 50 years, and the way some of them are still trying to do so:
Conservatives have shouted since the beginning of Trump’s improbable rise: He’s not one of us! He is not conservative! And, indeed, in many ways, Trump is downright liberal. You might think that would make him more acceptable to the Left. But no. As “compassionate conservatism” did nothing to blunt leftist hatred of George W. Bush, neither do Trump’s quasi-liberal economic positions. In fact, they hate Trump much more. Trump is not conservative enough for the conservatives but way too conservative for the Left, yet somehow they find common cause. Earlier I posited that the reason is Trump’s position on immigration. Let me add two others.

The first is simply that Trump might win. He is not playing his assigned role of gentlemanly loser the way McCain and Romney did, and may well have tapped into some previously untapped sentiment that he can ride to victory. This is a problem for both the Right and the Left. The professional Right (correctly) fears that a Trump victory will finally make their irrelevance undeniable. The Left knows that so long as Republicans kept playing by the same rules and appealing to the same dwindling base of voters, there was no danger. Even if one of the old breed had won, nothing much would have changed, since their positions on the most decisive issues were effectively the same as the Democrats and because they posed no serious challenge to the administrative state.

Which points to the far more important reason. I urge readers to go back through John Marini’s argument, to which I cannot do anything close to full justice. Suffice to say here, the current governing arrangement of the United States is rule by a transnational managerial class in conjunction with the administrative state. To the extent that the parties are adversarial at the national level, it is merely to determine who gets to run the administrative state for four years. Challenging the administrative state is out of the question. The Democrats are united on this point. The Republicans are at least nominally divided. But those nominally opposed (to the extent that they even understand the problem, which is: not much) are unwilling or unable to actually do anything about it. Are challenges to the administrative state allowed only if they are guaranteed to be ineffectual? If so, the current conservative movement is tailor-made for the task. Meanwhile, the much stronger Ryan wing of the Party actively abets the administrative state and works to further the managerial class agenda.

Trump is the first candidate since Reagan to threaten this arrangement. To again oversimplify Marini (and Aristotle), the question here is: who rules? The many or the few? The people or the oligarchs? Our Constitution says: the people are sovereign, and their rule is mediated through representative institutions, limited by written Constitutional norms. The administrative state says: experts must rule because various advances (the march of history) have made governing too complicated for public deliberation, and besides, the unwise people often lack knowledge of their own best interests even on rudimentary matters. When the people want something that they shouldn’t want or mustn’t have, the administrative state prevents it, no matter what the people vote for. When the people don’t want something that the administrative state sees as salutary or necessary, it is simply imposed by fiat.

Don’t want more immigration? Too bad, we know what’s best. Think bathrooms should be reserved for the two biological sexes? Too bad, we rule. And so on and on.

To all the “conservatives” yammering about my supposed opposition to Constitutional principle (more on that below) and who hate Trump, I say: Trump is mounting the first serious national-political defense of the Constitution in a generation. He may not see himself in those terms. I believe he sees himself as a straightforward patriot who just wants to do what is best for his country and its people. Whatever the case, he is asserting the right of the sovereign people to make their government do what they want it to do, and not do things they don’t want it to do, in the teeth of determined opposition from a managerial class and administrative state that want not merely different policies but above all to perpetuate their own rule.

If the Constitution has any force or meaning, then “We the People” get to decide not merely who gets to run the administrative state—which, whatever the outcome, will always continue on the same path—more fundamentally, we get to decide what policies we want and which we don’t.
Conservatism as we have known it since Reagan is dead. Whether the Alt Right or NeoTrumpism or something else will ascend in its place is presently unknown, but we can be fairly certain that conservatives will never win another national election, thanks to the demographic transformation they supported, and, in many cases, still support.

Shed no tears and spare no pity for them. Like every ideology that stands in opposition to observable reality, their eventual irrelevance is assured, it is merely a question of time.

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173 Comments:

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 14, 2016 1:16 PM  

That's one enemy destroyed, my liege. When do we crush the Left?

Blogger Ostar September 14, 2016 1:19 PM  

I read this the other day, and found it revealing the author chose to remain anonymous - not because of what liberals might do, but because of what he knew conservatives would do.

Blogger Brian S September 14, 2016 1:21 PM  

Accurate application of leverage and force must be used to get a rusted machine moving again. Subtlety is not an option.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 1:27 PM  

Conservatism as we have known it since Reagan is dead.

Well, it's been smelling that way for 4 years; no, 8 years; wait, more like 16, but... Well, heck. Paraphrasing Foundation, in future years historians will examine the last 25 years and fix some date, saying "Here is the time when the Conservatism of the latter 20th century collapsed".

We don't care. We just know that Conservatives pining for a new Reagan look as doddering as Liberals pining for a new FDR back in the 70's must have looked.

Now we have a simple question for anyone who claims to be Conservative:

Whether Trump wins, loses, or is rendered moot in some way, the question that we put to anyone who labels as "conservative" will become very simple:

Which side are you on?.

Either join the preference cascade however uncomfortable Milo or Pepe or kek or racial realism makes you, or remain owned by the SJW's.

Everyone is now saying it: Trump has flipped back the rock, he's pulled away the curtain hiding the wizards, he's made it very easy to spot the poseurs and the fakes. Was George Will a fake for years? Sure was, but now he's Othered himself, by kek!

Trump 2016 for the LOLZ!

If that fails, someone else in 2020 for the realz.

Choose.

OpenID luciussomesuch September 14, 2016 1:32 PM  

Sonnet 116 (a parody for the establishment "Right")

Let me not to the administration of minds
Admit impediments. “Right” is not right
Which alters not when it alteration finds.
A true conservative bends to each new blight:
Oh yay! He is an ever-moving mark
That looks on teapots and is always shaken;
He is a cur groveling ‘fore it’s (((master’s))) bark,
Whose worth’s undone, though money he’s rakin’!
The Right’s Time’s fool, for blonde curls and cheeks
To the Browning’s sickle he gladly submits;
He scorns advantage to take of Hillary’s leaks,
And when Trump’s numbers surge, he calls it quits.
Is the “Right” wrong? Yet though it be proved
From his cuck stoll he won’t be willingly moved.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 14, 2016 1:36 PM  

To reference Chesterton, what's happening is neither more nor less than the people getting utterly fed up with the Conservatives constantly trying to prevent the Progressives' mistakes from being corrected.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 14, 2016 1:39 PM  

A corollary is that Conservatism got killed because Progressivism has become too utterly insane for the people to tolerate. This had not been the case before.

Anonymous BGKB September 14, 2016 1:40 PM  

Conservatism as we have known it since Reagan is dead.

If TRUMP deports illegal aliens, refusegees and anchor babies the left will never recover. They are not breeding.

Blogger Lovekraft September 14, 2016 1:41 PM  

Old enough to remember when computers were emerging, the internet was blossoming and people were thinking 'yay, these will bring us together!" Then Zuckerberg and Google camping out like besties with NoBordersBarack woke me up pretty fast.

Will the internet prevail as just another strip mall, consuming all minds to the universal Gaga? Or will it finally climb out and fulfill its purpose?

Off topic, but related to how the masses are currently reflecting what their media shows them. And fight for a better media we must.

Blogger tublecane September 14, 2016 1:41 PM  

This is the Paycheck Election for the GOPe and Conservatism, Inc. Whatever they think of Clinton, they know that if Trump wins their patronage is in danger.

Blogger Whisker biscuit September 14, 2016 1:44 PM  

Jonah Goldberg weeps.

The Chickenhawk weeps.

Pepe smirks.

Blogger tublecane September 14, 2016 1:44 PM  

@8-They still control the institutions: government, schools, media (including large parts of the internet), etc. Elections won't change that. Breeding alone won't decide it. They are the Spartans to our Helots, intellectually speaking.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume September 14, 2016 1:45 PM  

I have no idea who this Publius Decius Mus is, but by Kek, they can write!

Both of the samples I've read thus far a full of terrific prose and turns of phrase.

Anonymous Broken Arrow September 14, 2016 2:01 PM  

From the Flight 93 post about the Cucks and Conservative Inc.: "Your job is to show up and lose, but you are a necessary part of the show and you do get paid."

Brilliant rhetoric.

Blogger Desiderius September 14, 2016 2:05 PM  

Who is it that's giving him all that grief?

Why won't he call them out by name?

Blogger Anchorman September 14, 2016 2:08 PM  

If TRUMP deports illegal aliens, refusegees and anchor babies the left will never recover. They are not breeding.

This X 1,000

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 14, 2016 2:09 PM  

Well for once people on the right are looking for weaknesses on the left instead of trying to be the smartest undergrad in the class of Mommy Professor - that is revolutionary in itself.

Blogger professorastro September 14, 2016 2:11 PM  

Viva la Trumpublica!

Anonymous Philipp September 14, 2016 2:14 PM  

After reading the article, it is clear that Publius Decius Mus is not from the alt-right. That does not mean that his analysis is wrong of course. However please note he did not mention the possibility (read: de facto certaintity) of the collapse and breakup of the U.S. and the civil war, race war and the ethnic cleansing that will go with that collapse.

Imagine the reactions if had included that in his article.

Blogger Robert Divinity September 14, 2016 2:16 PM  

True Conservatism, Inc., has become a cult, hence the need for Decius to remain anonymous. Everyone has seen what the Scientologists will do to an apostate, so imagine how vicious someone like Ben Shapiro is now that his Uncle Abie act no longer is in demand.

Blogger Gaiseric September 14, 2016 2:18 PM  

Philipp wrote:After reading the article, it is clear that Publius Decius Mus is not from the alt-right. That does not mean that his analysis is wrong of course. However please note he did not mention the possibility (read: de facto certaintity) of the collapse and breakup of the U.S. and the civil war, race war and the ethnic cleansing that will go with that collapse.
Maybe because I'm familiar with the alt-right, but I saw that in his article. True, it was kinda "between the lines" but when he described the best case scenario for a continuation of Conservatism, Inc., what did everything think he meant for "less than best case scenarios?"

Blogger Anchorman September 14, 2016 2:21 PM  

@#19 I think his focus was focused to make the best argument for the broadest appeal to the Right, specifically conservatives who haven't caught on to the ineffectiveness of conservatism.

Maybe he thought longer term. Maybe not. It would've muddied the waters if he went too far. Plus, it was already a long piece, in today's world.

Blogger Gaiseric September 14, 2016 2:21 PM  

@19: Although not being from the alt-right makes it EVEN BETTER; he's a recovering conservative who INDEPENDENTLY came to many of the exact same conclusions. He's not a joiner, he's one of those few people who is able to correctly identify relevant facts and derive from them logical conclusions.

Anonymous ChronicSinner September 14, 2016 2:28 PM  

Great read.

"Conservatism" has been dead for longer than the end of the Reagan era, if by "conservatism" you mean "constitutional conservatism".

It was dealt a death blow by Lincoln in 1861 and the Republicans of his day who aided and abetted him in his unconstitutional and barbaric suppression of the South's attempt at rightful secession.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 14, 2016 2:33 PM  

"Why won't he call them out by name?"

They complained anonymously.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 2:41 PM  

"Trump 2016 for the LOLZ!"

That pretty much sums it up. Somewhere deep in the Nightosphere, Pepe smiles upon you. So do Hunson and Marceline.

My B-side version is: Hitlery 2016: Let's finish destroying America.

Blogger tublecane September 14, 2016 2:43 PM  

@20-No, no. It's not a cult. They're not true believers. It's a career-path.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 2:44 PM  

Somebody needs to do the youtube video of Hitler discovering he's no longer considered on the "Right".

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 14, 2016 2:47 PM  

28.  Down and Out in...

Actually they did even if they didn't know it.

Look on Netflix for a film called, "Guess Who's Back"

Anonymous patrick kelly September 14, 2016 2:48 PM  

"Somebody needs to do the youtube video of Hitler discovering he's no longer considered on the "Right"."

And has been replaced by a frog.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 14, 2016 2:59 PM  

@4: I'd argue that Classical Conservatism died with the breakup of the Soviet Union. Or maybe with Bill Clinton's 1995 State of the Union address, and the line, "The era of big government is over."

The weak spot of Classical Conservatism was that it defined itself by what it opposed. It stood FOR nothing at all. Success was fatal to Classical Conservatism.

The Alt-Right addresses that weakness. Ideologically, things haven't settled out yet, but the Alt-Right stands FOR policies and a philosophy. Which will make it far more resilient, and able to take the offensive in a way the Old Conservatives could not.

Blogger Robert Divinity September 14, 2016 3:00 PM  

@27

Cultists gotta eat, too.

Anonymous roo_ster September 14, 2016 3:05 PM  

The Vichy Cuckmeister General takes issue with Publius Decius Mus and his follow-up:

David French
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/440006/problem-every-intellectual-defense-trump-ive-ever-read
"I have the same problem with the restatement as I had with the first essay, and it’s the same problem I’ve had with every single allegedly intellectual defense of Trump I’ve ever read. Simply put, these folks don’t defend the real, live Donald Trump. They create someone else entirely — we’ll call him Fake Trump — and defend Fake Trump against all comers."

French doesn't get it. PDM is not mounting a _defense_ of Trump, but an _offense_ against cuckservatism. Trump is the least-bad when compared to Cuck, Inc. and the Left as personified in HIllary Clinton.

PDM lifts the rock and the cucks scurry.

Anonymous Steve September 14, 2016 3:05 PM  

I read this the other day, and found it revealing the author chose to remain anonymous - not because of what liberals might do, but because of what he knew conservatives would do.

It's interesting, is it not, that a man who advocates moderate, limited goals - sane immigration policy, limited government, respect for the constitution, and the presidential candidacy of Donald J Trump - should feel safer under the cloak of a pseudonym?

And yet you can call the white race "a cancer", openly advocate socialism, glorify communism, demand the slaughter of the unborn "on demand and without apology", indoctrinate little children into homosexuality and transgenderism, gleefully caper and cavort as you promote every imaginable sort of sickness and depravity, and not only does it not damage your career, but - if you're in academia, the media, or the public sector - will probably enhance it?

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 3:08 PM  

"Cultists gotta eat, too."

I am Gareth, the maniac cannibal who governs Terminus, and I approve this message.

Actually I really would rather have Gareth as prexy instead of Hitlery. Or a cartoon frog. It's all good.

Anonymous Casey September 14, 2016 3:11 PM  

It's goin' around. The footsoldiers have taken it up.

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11436283#Post11436283

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum September 14, 2016 3:11 PM  

The GOP needs a purging every 30 years or so.

Eisenhower and Nixon were good, they were both of the WW2 generation, and got us on the right footing for the Cold War.

30 years later, in the 1980s the Nixon and Eisenhower people needed to be purged by Ronald Reagan and his supporters. Reagan/Bush helped us end the Cold War, and positioned America to be the Dominant Super Power in the world.

Now, in the year 2016, the Reagan/Bush people need to be purged from the GOP in order to make room for the Donald Trump people. The Reagan/Bush "Conservatives" are NOT set up to fight things like SJWs, Donald Trump and his supporters ARE. The Reagan/Bush people don't want to be called "racist."

Donald Trump would be the last person I would want leading the USA against the USSR in the 1980s, I'd prefer someone like Ted Cruz for that job (Ted Cruz was born 30 years too late, he would've fit right in with Ronald Reagan and Bush, and might've done some good back then...), and I wouldn't want Ronald Reagan/Bush to go up against the USSR in the 1950s and 1960s.

In another 30 years, in the 2040s or so, the Donald Trump people will themselves have to be purged from the GOP.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 14, 2016 3:15 PM  

Once again, the power of the Permanent Bureaucracy (herein the Administrative State) resides in spending money, which is synonymous with the exercise of power when under the umbrella of consent.

The powerful have mistaken 50 years of consent to their ever-increasingly lunatic programs as the absence of the need for consent. This is utterly foolish, but then power does corrupt.

Trump remains a symptom. The selloff in German and Japanese bonds remains a symptom. Are they real? Do they presage a long-awaited trend change? I still think so, but I've been wrong before.

Either way, the cognitive dissonance necessary to maintain silence in the face of Equals Temple cult dogma has grown so much that Trump's candidacy stands against the Full Court Press of the Clown Media. Trump supporters didn't abandon Conservative, Inc. and the GOP, Trump supporters weren't being addressed by them. Trump supporters were People Without A Politics.

Until now.

Trump is nothing. He won't be able to do all that much to rein in the Bureaucracy. But President Trump will teach a hundred million Americans that they are not Politically Homeless, and that will speed the loss of consent for the Administrative State.

Oh, and wait until Uncle Sam's (until now NO-LIMIT) credit card gets declined (the Bond market begins to fall apart and Bond Vigilantes rise like legions of corpses in the ZA) and what Congress wants to spend it has to TAX FIRST...cash on the barrel head.

The thieves will spare no time stabbing each other in the back. The country is overrun with industries addicted to Government spending. Their owners and employees will turn on each other in fury over the dwindling scraps of spending.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 14, 2016 3:17 PM  

And has been replaced by a frog.

The Daily Stormer people and others making the Pepe memes have certainly taken Saul Alinsky's tactics and Vox's advice about rhetorical attacks to heart.

I can fully understand the Clinton campaign's remark about Pepe being "more dangerous than you realize". Heh.

Blogger Teri September 14, 2016 3:19 PM  

@34,
And this is why support for Trump is likely being undercounted. There is no downside to supporting Hillary. There is for publicly supporting Trump.

I liked both of his pieces, for the orderly thought and clear prose. We see so little of that. The only thing I would have liked to have seen included is the contempt both Lefties and Cucks display towards ordinary Americans. They are not as smart as they think they are.

Anonymous Bagger Vance September 14, 2016 3:22 PM  

When the people don’t want something that the administrative state sees as salutary or necessary, it is simply imposed by fiat.

This jumped out at me as I had just been considering the fate of Prop 187, Prop 8, and no doubt many more.
1. citizens vote in favor of something
2. unelected judge overrules them
3. soon it's not just accepted, it's vigorously denied you ever opposed them

Honestly that doesn't seem very whatayacall... democratic to me.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 3:22 PM  

(the march of history)


good gosh a'mighty, i do believe i've seen that phrase before. where could it be from, i wonder?

regardless, i believe that our good friend Publius has not phrased things quite as accurately as he might have. if he doesn't mind a minor correction, here's how i would phrase it:

(((the march of history)))

Blogger praetorian September 14, 2016 3:25 PM  

"Why won't he call them out by name?"

Soonely Doodly, neighbor.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 3:25 PM  

"the Clinton campaign's remark about Pepe being "more dangerous than you realize".

I think it's great that a frog is more dangerous than you realize. And after that, a Frog is even more dangerous than you realize.

Bonjour, Mlle Marine! Avons-nous un petit-dejeuner quelque fois!

Blogger dc.sunsets September 14, 2016 3:27 PM  

OT (h/t BGKB) http://wearechange.org/guccifer-2-0-leaks-dnc-financial-documents-at-security-conference/

DNC caught red-handed selling offices, ambassadorships, etc.

Will CNN carry this story? The NYT? WaPo? Or are the Journalism Clowns going to go down with this rat-infested DNC vessel captained by Barack "Typhoid Mary" Obama?

Anonymous SlargTarg September 14, 2016 3:31 PM  

Here are all the cuck "objections" to the original article that Decius is talking about:


http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/08/isnt-flight-93-election-mh370-election/

https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/773947623686434816

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439859/flight-93-election-claremont-trump-piece-apocalyptic-rhetoric-overblown

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439864/donald-trump-flight-93-analogy-overwrought-inaccurate

http://www.redstate.com/aglanon/2016/09/08/flight-93-election-rush/
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8985/widely-praised-flight-93-election-essay-dishonest-ben-shapiro

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 3:32 PM  

@33

Taking the Flight 93 image a bit further, French and the rest of the cucks are back in the galley sipping tea while telling each other how brave they are. Consoling the cabin crew with promises to "fix this problem very soon, just after getting consensus on what exactly the plan should be", and sneering at the men in the corner praying for victory.

Meanwhile Trump has grabbed a drink cart and is rolling towards the cockpit door.

Blogger praetorian September 14, 2016 3:33 PM  

From the (excellent) article:

To oversimplify (again), the only “eternal principle” is the good. What, specifically, is good in a political context varies with the times and with circumstance, as does how best to achieve the good in a given context. The good is not tax rates or free trade. Those aren’t even principles. In the American political context, the good is the well-being of the physical America and its people, well-being defined (in terms that reflect both Aristotle and the American Founding) as their “safety and happiness.” That’s what conservatism should be working to conserve.

> Those aren't even principles

Thank you.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 3:34 PM  

will CNN carry the story about the Colon Powell emails and how intimately he is involved with Hillary?

wait a minute, i thought Colon Powell was a Republican ... why should he be concerned about what hILLary was doing?

oh yeah, he's a Bushie. and Bush senior lurvs him some Bill Clinton.

it's almost like they don't really, you know, oppose each other.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 3:36 PM  

"The Widely-Praised 'Flight 93 Election' Essay Is Dishonest And Stupid", says dishonest and stupid ((( Ben Shapiro ))).

OpenID luciussomesuch September 14, 2016 3:41 PM  

Credo in Unum Deum writes: "30 years later, in the 1980s the Nixon and Eisenhower people needed to be purged by Ronald Reagan and his supporters. Reagan/Bush helped us end the Cold War, and positioned America to be the Dominant Super Power in the world.

Now, in the year 2016, the Reagan/Bush people need to be purged from the GOP in order to make room for the Donald Trump people. The Reagan/Bush "Conservatives" are NOT set up to fight things like SJWs, Donald Trump and his supporters ARE. The Reagan/Bush people don't want to be called "racist."

--That's an interesting analysis, and there's a certain charm in trying to make the most humane attempt to situate these past Presidents in the least hostile light, acknowledging their contributions to different times while explaining the inaptness of their example for OUR time.

But still, Eisenhower (as PA has often reminded us) sent the Airborne against his own people. Nixon, for all his race-realism, played domestic technocrat. Reagan signed on to no-fault divorce and amnesty. George H. W., as I understand it, a few years ago helped officiate at some lesbian wedding which, whatever does or does not happen at Bohemian Grove, makes him in my eyes a fellow-traveler with Satanism.

And I say that even as someone who owns a paperback copy of his collected speeches, "Speaking of Freedom"-- which in terms of Alt-Right street cred shames me considerably harder than, say, keeping a copy of "The Story of O" beneath the pillow.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 3:42 PM  

I'm a centrist in the world of "liberal/Consercative". It might just be that perspective that allows me to see thar this "AltRight" corner of the world poses zero threat to the political order.

Of course this assumes this and other threads are representative of AltRight thinking.

It's pretty sloppy analysis.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 3:44 PM  

@46

NRO has been going down hill for years, so has redstate, but good golly Miss Molly, that's a heapin' helpin' of butthurt tone policing.

AAaaaaaaannnnnnddddddddd

We. Don't. Care. Still.

The cucks with their mutual congratulation society can't keep a man in a dress out of the little girls bathroom. What makes them think they have any influence over the election?

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett September 14, 2016 3:46 PM  

@52 I agree on your analysis. So why not quit?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 3:47 PM  

@52

Rollo53, we don't care what SJW whiners like you pretend to think.

Let us know when Hillary Rodan Robot Clinton makes a speech attacking you, 'kay?

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 3:49 PM  

"This has been the constant refrain from Republican “vote for the lesser of two evils” establishment figures for my entire lifetime", says dishonest and stupid ((( Ben Shapiro ))).


huh. Shapiro was born in 84, thus too young to remember Reagan, thus not actually telling a direct lie here.

" reeks of self-congratulatory smarminess ", says miasmic and stupid ((( Ben Shapiro ))).

Blogger dc.sunsets September 14, 2016 3:49 PM  

With what has now been revealed about Selling of Indulgences (er) selling of political offices by Dems all the way up to BHO, I now see that the changing Narrative will shake this country from the inside out, not the outside in.

Time to go long bomb shelter futures.

People who think the Alt-Right and Trump are tempests in a tea pot should be sure to revisit their positions in a few years. Be sure to put something permanent on your car bumpers so the rest of us can point and laugh. Try something like, "It's 2016 and nothing's ever going to change."

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2016 3:50 PM  

bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) wrote:"The Widely-Praised 'Flight 93 Election' Essay Is Dishonest And Stupid", says dishonest and stupid ((( Ben Shapiro ))).
The Widely-Praised (((Ben Shapiro))) Is Dishonest And Stupid", says Publius Decius Mus

Blogger Desiderius September 14, 2016 3:51 PM  

46.SlargTarg,

"Here are all the cuck "objections" to the original article that Decius is talking about:"

Wow, you could have warned me before I got vomit all over my keyboard. I'm reminded forcefully how I found myself no longer reading those sorts of columnists. Who still does?

Blogger Desiderius September 14, 2016 3:54 PM  

"Of course this assumes this and other threads are representative of AltRight thinking.

It's pretty sloppy analysis."

There is rhetoric* that can move this crowd. That ain't it.

Next.

*- it goes without saying that this is a rare forum susceptible to well-crafted dialectic.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2016 3:54 PM  

Rollo53 wrote:I'm a centrist in the world of "liberal/Consercative".
As our Latino friends say, "Jejejejejejejeje."
We are men of ideas, sir, lies do not become us. Even lies we tell ourselves.

Anonymous Casey September 14, 2016 3:58 PM  

Milo preparing a speech on how to destroy the Alt-Right,..expresses his distaste for identity politics,...tells the left that the way to destroy the Alt-Right is to renounce identity politics.

*ahem*,..."WOOP,...dey it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-s_joQhS6o

Blogger Anchorman September 14, 2016 4:08 PM  

@62 Milo's going to concern troll the Left with his plan to "destroy" the alt-Right.

Anonymous Kevin Winter September 14, 2016 4:22 PM  

What about those of us who are just on the side of capitalism? On the side of increasing quarterly profits by any means legal? Which side should us Job Creators choose?

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric September 14, 2016 4:23 PM  

The trolls are at least getting better usernames, even if their content isn't better. Picking a figure that's important to the founding of Western/Germanic civilization, like Rollo, sure beats Golden Showers or Tiny Dick.

Blogger Deplorable Gaiseric September 14, 2016 4:26 PM  

Casey wrote:Milo preparing a speech on how to destroy the Alt-Right,..expresses his distaste for identity politics,...tells the left that the way to destroy the Alt-Right is to renounce identity politics.

*ahem*,..."WOOP,...dey it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-s_joQhS6o

All I heard was that he's having a live performance by Rocky Gold and Baked Alaska of "Dicks Out for Harambe..."

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants September 14, 2016 4:34 PM  

No need. As w/ the ((())), they quickly self-identified in my timeline. Extremely successful jimmie rustler.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper September 14, 2016 4:56 PM  

Kevin Winter wrote:What about those of us who are just on the side of capitalism? On the side of increasing quarterly profits by any means legal? Which side should us Job Creators choose?

Sniff Sniff, I smell a troll.

However just in case you aren't and for others who are thinking somewhat along your lines a few words


You need to chose one that gives you a long term. high trust, homogeneous, intelligent , stable civilization to live in.

This is the best ecology for making money there is.

Problem is y'all can't think past one quarter of that. If you don't learn how to do this, you are screwed as the masses you import for cheap labor will replace the society you need with their own. You get poverty. welcome to Venezuela Comrade Amigo's

Also you need to understand that this optimum order isn't free, you have to pay for it, decent wages, hiring people , making stuff in the 1st world . Its sucks, almost no one likes having employees. Thing is, its a bargain compared to disruption , nepotism, corruption and the 3rd world.

Best thing to keep in mind is wages at home are your customers and like a retunring customer you get those wages back.

Cut wages to save money and you fire or downsize your customers and grow taxes.

You can't opt out and it won't help if you do if don't pay voluntarily, you get more taxes, somehow make sure people can't you have no markets.

If you don't want a national pension system, you had be thinking even longer term as people will save a lot more and while you'll get some of the money eventually, its along wait.

So don't be a globalist, don't be cheap, keep society Righter/Whiter/Better and you'll be in the best place to possible to get rich

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 4:56 PM  

How long before National Cuckservative Review endorses Hillary?

"We don't care if she's crooked or dead, we still like her better than Trump!"

Blogger Bard September 14, 2016 4:59 PM  

"Shed no tears and spare no pity for them. Like every ideology that stands in opposition to observable reality, their eventual irrelevance is assured, it is merely a question of time"

My buddy called today to vent his frustration and said almost the exact same thing. Only he expressed the sentiment that he can't wait until it all comes crumbling down around them. Frustrations are at a dangerously high level.

Anonymous JAG September 14, 2016 5:02 PM  

Rollo53 wrote:I'm a centrist in the world of "liberal/Consercative". It might just be that perspective that allows me to see thar this "AltRight" corner of the world poses zero threat to the political order.

Of course this assumes this and other threads are representative of AltRight thinking.

It's pretty sloppy analysis.


You are not a moderate or centrist you liar. No one here is goin g to buy that bullshit from you.

Nor are they going to buy your bullshit about the Alt-Right posing no threat, and you know why? Your very presence here trying so desperately to tell us how ineffective we all are. You are scared shitless of us as well you should be. If we were nothing you wouldn't even bother.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett September 14, 2016 5:11 PM  

@64. Misers, if confident in their abilities, should side against the alt-right,i think.

A light brown atomised mist is easier to exploit than white communities.

Blogger VD September 14, 2016 5:13 PM  

"The Widely-Praised 'Flight 93 Election' Essay Is Dishonest And Stupid", says dishonest and stupid ((( Ben Shapiro ))).

He's just an embarrassment these days.

I'm a centrist in the world of "liberal/Consercative". It might just be that perspective that allows me to see thar this "AltRight" corner of the world poses zero threat to the political order.

If you believe that, you wouldn't be here posting things like that, you'd be posting it on left-wing sites. Do you really think you're going to fool the students of William S. Lind and Martin van Creveld with your feeble attempts to demoralize us?

All you're managing to do is confirm our perspective.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 5:17 PM  

"If we were nothing you wouldn't even bother."

The other day I paid attention to the Johnson campaign. The reasons given for voting Johnson were interesting, if not a little inconsequential. But I could be convinced otherwise I figured. After quite a bit of back and forth I found I was wrong. I couldn't be convinced otherwise. I mean, really......Johnson?

Anonymous Deplorable Plan 9 September 14, 2016 5:18 PM  

@65
He's Rollo53 because the first 52 didn't work.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 5:19 PM  

"If you believe that, you wouldn't be here posting things like that..."

You're wrong. The truth is that I'm simply conversationally promiscuous.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 5:19 PM  

Reagan signed amnesty and pioneered no-fault divorce. He was instrumental in the electorate changes that brought us 0bama.

As California goes, so goes the nation.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2016 5:20 PM  

Casey wrote:Milo preparing a speech on how to destroy the Alt-Right,..expresses his distaste for identity politics,...tells the left that the way to destroy the Alt-Right is to renounce identity politics.

Remember when Vox explained patiently to the SF SJWs that to defeat the puppies, all they had to do was shut up and vote for the best science fiction on the list of nominations? Remember their reaction?

It's simply impossible for this type to do the sensible thing that they claim they want to do.

Impossible.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 14, 2016 5:21 PM  

Rollo53 wrote:You're wrong. The truth is that I'm simply conversationally promiscuous.
No, you're fundamentally dishonest.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 5:29 PM  

"No, you're fundamentally dishonest."

Said "Snidely Whiplash"? Twirl it in someone else's face.

Tell me Mr. Hair Twirler, would your analysis of where conservatives fit in the American polity when Trump loses and conservatives hold the House and the Senate?? What if there were no other challengers to the Liberal-Conservative political spread? Is it just so important to proclaim...not matter what reality looks like?

Don't tell me I'm dishonest until you explain your own fantasy.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 5:31 PM  

"Of course this assumes this and other threads are representative of AltRight thinking."

You believe that a bunch of people hanging out, trading jokes, and sharpening their claws are indicating the extent of their thought?

Somebody hasn't heard "Down on the Corner" for quite some time.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 5:31 PM  

The truth is that I'm simply conversationally promiscuous.

You ignorant slut...

Blogger Lovekraft September 14, 2016 5:32 PM  

Is this Rollo the "Rollo Tomasi" I've seen around the manosphere?

As far as the question of where capitalists fit in the political spectrum:

Economics was always a failure of the left. Sure, they know how to tear down an industry but as for what to replace it with, their answer is more government, cronyism, or abandonment.

So the alt-right would at least understand the importance of a free market, just that we would make it a lot harder for the old rackets and influence-peddling to occur. And once we pull government way back, the markets would dominate, thus the cycle of restraint/deregulation.

Can you tell I'm not an economics scholar?

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 5:35 PM  

American polity when Trump loses

What polity would that be?

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 5:38 PM  

Is this Rollo the "Rollo Tomasi" I've seen around the manosphere?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, rollo53 is gamma as fuck.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 5:40 PM  

"The truth is that I'm simply conversationally promiscuous."

I can understand that. But if you were really conversationally promiscuous, you'd be engaging in actual conversation. What you're doing right now is spitting on the floor and claiming that, because your lips were moving, it counted as talk. Make an actual argument and an actual conversational gambit and you'll be surprised how honestly and heartily the folks respond. You might discover some interesting stuff.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 5:43 PM  

"What polity would that be?"

See the adjective.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 5:50 PM  

Downer:

Here is an argument for you. The primary impact of the AltRight has been as a tool for the Clinton campaign and supporters to define Trump. Making the AR's supporters....tools.

There certainly isn't any political or cultural impact.on Americans. And based on the proclivity of its supporters to claim their time will come once the U.S blows up in a race war, it seems pretty clear they don't have any realistic political goals, and certainly no operation.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 5:54 PM  

"What polity would that be?"

"See the adjective."

Dood, this is the problem. He was actually asking you a very sharp, sophisticated question, one loaded with irony and historical realism, and you replied with "muh reading comprehension". If you really want to make conversation, the people here are more than up to it. But what you're doing right now is just fencing (well really, not even that, just parrying). People will in fact talk to you if you actually say something.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 5:56 PM  

See the adjective.

I quoted the adjective, and rejected it. How do you define "America" into a polity?

Are you some kind of nationalist?

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 5:58 PM  

@87: I'm happy to have a go at that, but I'll let other folks claim first dibs. Just good table manners. I'm cursed.

See you in a bit, though. Bring your Emily Post.



Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 6:00 PM  

"He was actually asking you a very sharp, sophisticated question, one loaded with irony and historical realism"

Then he should have asked it. But of course their was no question being asked. He was making an oh so unsubtle declaration about the state of "America".

I think my response was an appropriately unsubtle declaration that I disagree with his view.

Or didn't you get all that?

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 6:04 PM  

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Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 6:09 PM  

Yeah, and you still dodged the question. The fact is there is no way to define what constitutes the amorphous blob of gelatin that you propose and so you went straight to smartass. That was your only choice.

We got that.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 6:11 PM  

"How do you define "America" into a polity?"

I honestly can't tell if you are joking, being serious or playing the Pedantic. No matter which. You'll get around to the point you really want to make soon enough.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 6:14 PM  

"The fact is there is no way to define what constitutes the amorphous blob of gelatin that you propose"

Sure there is. Put an atlas, a copy of the Constitution and the most recent U.S. Census on a table and you are set.

Anonymous Down and Out in... September 14, 2016 6:18 PM  

"I think my response was an appropriately unsubtle declaration that I disagree with his view."

So... you're now officially on record as being in unsubtle disagreement on the internet. I'm astounded.

Does somebody else wanna do this? I'm like juggling three or four things at the moment.


Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 6:18 PM  

@Rollo53.

That is a serious question.

How do you define "America" into a polity?

Does that polity include 20 million or more people here illegally? How do you account for their potentially illegally cast votes? Does this state have a well defined border? Does it have a well defined constituency? Does it operate by the laws and rules that it is constituted under?

I expect serious answers.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 6:21 PM  

Sure there is. Put an atlas, a copy of the Constitution and the most recent U.S. Census on a table and you are set.

Do you believe in the tooth fairy too?

Blogger dienw September 14, 2016 6:21 PM  

Arthur Isaac wrote:Reagan signed amnesty and pioneered no-fault divorce. He was instrumental in the electorate changes that brought us 0bama.

As California goes, so goes the nation.


When Reagan signed the Amnesty bill, he was expecting a deal made with the demoncrats to be upheld by them; instead, Tip O'Neil reneged: as I recall the Amnesty was supposed to be a one time only occurrence and the Demoncrats were to put forward immigration reform bill; and there was to be a wall. Reagan cannot be held accountable for the Demoncrats bald face lying to his face.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 6:25 PM  

64. Kevin Winter September 14, 2016 4:22 PM
What about those of us who are just on the side of capitalism? On the side of increasing quarterly profits by any means legal? Which side should us Job Creators choose?



the middle sentence here is mutually exclusive to the outer two. the 'best' way to improve quarterly profits is rent seeking from the government. both to destroy your competition and to secure immoral profits for yourself.



79. Rollo53 September 14, 2016 5:29 PM
Don't tell me I'm dishonest until you explain your own fantasy.



Trump losing is a hypothetical. ie - it's YOUR OWN FANTASY.

and you excoriate US for failing to explain your fantasy? too rich.

ps -
you dumbfucks have been telling us Trump couldn't win since the day he announced. you haven't been right one single time. i mean, i'm sure Trump has a 'hard ceiling' ... it's just that the hard ceiling may be 70% of the electorate.

explain why i should trust your Scientifically Proven incompetence at prognostication now. i'm sure that the anti-Trump vote will coalesce around Jeb ... uh, Carson ... uh, Fiorina ... uh, Christie ... uh, Rubio ... uh, Kasich ... uh, Cruz ... uh, Hillary ... any fricking day now.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 6:25 PM  

Reagan cannot be held accountable for the Demoncrats bald face lying to his face.

"Trust and verify."

Trusting democrats is an exhibition in the fault of gullibility (at best).

Anonymous Eric the Red September 14, 2016 6:29 PM  

@79 Rollette..
"Tell me Mr. Hair Twirler, would your analysis of where conservatives fit in the American polity when Trump loses and conservatives hold the House and the Senate?? What if there were no other challengers to the Liberal-Conservative political spread? Is it just so important to proclaim...not matter what reality looks like?"

Your questions are senseless, as is the assumptions they are predicated on. As for your continued fascination with this site, and your word salad attempts to proclaim otherwise, I guess your mother never told you that actions speak louder than words.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 6:33 PM  

Do you believe in the tooth fairy too?

The polity is the polity. And if the tooth or any other fairy is a citizen then they are part of it. What I find interesting is whether the AR has demonstrated any ability to impact the polity other than being a tool(s) for the Left.

Blogger GAHCindy September 14, 2016 6:36 PM  

Way to give up! Elections actually do change government, to some extent. The deep state takes longer, of course. Boycott the leftist institutions as much as possible, and build your own instead. Homeschool. Use alternate media. BE the alternate option. And yes, have babies. Lots of them. Seriously, you sound defeated already.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 6:44 PM  

"Your questions are senseless, as is the assumptions they are predicated on."

I'm torn Eric...torn. Why were you not here earlier to not say a thing when your rhetorical silence and honest vagueness could have made a real difference?

Blogger GAHCindy September 14, 2016 6:44 PM  

Rollo53, if there were no threat, there would be no response from the left or right. They're pretty busy little beavers right now for people who think there's no threat. Your analysis is...pretty sloppy.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 6:46 PM  

No, a polity is definitively an organized society with boundaries, laws, official languages, citizenship and governmental Constitution.

Many of the alt-right ARE still citizens, which according to your own logic should make an some kind of impact.

Blogger Desiderius September 14, 2016 6:47 PM  

"The polity is the polity."

Actually this election offers a choice between two polities:

HRC is running for the next Imperator of the post-American Empire, Trump for President of the United States of America.

Blogger GAHCindy September 14, 2016 6:47 PM  

Rollo53, if there were no threat, there would be no response from the left or right. They're pretty busy little beavers right now for people who think there's no threat. Your analysis is...pretty sloppy.

Blogger GAHCindy September 14, 2016 6:47 PM  

Way to give up! Elections actually do change government, to some extent. The deep state takes longer, of course. Boycott the leftist institutions as much as possible, and build your own instead. Homeschool. Use alternate media. BE the alternate option. And yes, have babies. Lots of them. Seriously, you sound defeated already.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 6:48 PM  

Reagan cannot be held accountable for the Demoncrats bald face lying to his face.

He could have made them pay for their lie. Instead he rewarded it.

Blogger tublecane September 14, 2016 6:51 PM  

@56-Do Shampooro and other Nevertrumps actually think like that: they are the Real Conservatives, Trump is a RINO, and the "lesser of two evils" argument is dirty, or whatever? I suppose it's plausible, just, because, not counting the Three Biggies (as I call them), Trump is actually a centrist liberal. And from what ignoramuses like him have been told, Invade the World/Invite the World is a bedrock conservative principle.

However, and I feel silly for having to point this out, has he noticed how nuts Trump makes the left? This is not a Mitt Romney situation.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 6:52 PM  

@82
Is this Rollo the "Rollo Tomasi" I've seen around the manosphere?

Nah, Rollo53 insists that "marital rape" exists just for a start. He was quite boringly thick headed in that thread.

Can't tell if he's a paid cube-farm troll or a freelancer, not yet.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt September 14, 2016 6:54 PM  

A Paradigm @4 - "We just know that Conservatives pining for a new Reagan look as doddering as Liberals pining for a new FDR back in the 70's must have looked."

One unique thing about Trump and his team - it was pointed out on the HotGas blog on the last night of the Republican Convention - was that they never fell back on the familiar references to Reagan. That's been a staple of mainstream Conservatism for a quarter century now. And I said then that whatever references to Reagan USED to mean on the Right, NOW it gives off a feeling that our best years are behind us. All the great stuff - only in the past. When conservatives talk about Reagan, they might as well be talking about Moses: a great icon from the distant past, when giants walked the Earth. But not to be expected today.

Trump talks about what he's GOING to do, not about how wonderful things used to be and can never be again.

Anonymous Jared September 14, 2016 6:56 PM  

"Elections actually do change government, to some extent."

Well, I'm with you in spirit, but, in reality...

Elections change the names on the masthead. But the copy editors, proofreaders, printers, code writers, receptionists, truck drivers... they all stay the same. And they don't care whose name is on the masthead.

Believe it or not, stuff like Pepe is the most likely chance to make that change.

I really hope Trump wins, just to avoid civil war, which is what will happen if Hillary wins. I'm skeptical that he can (for math reasons), but I do hope he does. And if he does, I hope what's left of America watches very closely at how and why he won't get a single damn one of his proposals accomplished.

That's when the truly icky and complicated stuff starts.

Anonymous johnc September 14, 2016 6:57 PM  

@99 Reagan cannot be held accountable for the Demoncrats bald face lying to his face.

Who could predict Democrats lying?

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 6:57 PM  

@56 @112
Do Shampooro and other Nevertrumps actually think like that: they are the Real Conservatives, Trump is a RINO, and the "lesser of two evils" argument is dirty, or whatever?

Sure looks that way, because all the cucks have been furiously trying to outdo the SJW's in Othering Trump and all who support him. Remember the vid of Trumpers confronting Cruz?

Notice that the cuckservatives tend to be bubble-boyz; Acela corridor, or ThinkTank land, or academia, etc. They lost track of reality back when Mittens was deemed "credible" via the "His Turn Now" nomination system, which is why Trump's successes have blown their little minds.

So yeah, the NeverTrumps are in the street strutting along, behind them is a mass of people with torches & they think, "Cool! I'm leading a parade!" not realizing what's really going on.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 6:58 PM  

Can't tell if he's a paid cube-farm troll or a freelancer, not yet.

We can be anything we can pull off on the internet. I'm not sure it defines itself as a "he". I wouldn't.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 7:00 PM  

you notice how assiduously Rollo ignores my reply to him?

that's because he knows that my answer eviscerates him.

why are you all not demanding that HE defend HIS own fantasy?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f125/bobkmando/canbeentrails_zpshpmnluwp.jpg




103. Rollo53 September 14, 2016 6:33 PM
What I find interesting is whether the AR has demonstrated any ability to impact the polity other than being a tool(s) for the Left.



we have, of course, accomplished nothing and influenced no one. which is why Hillary decried us.

Anonymous No One Knows I'm A Dog September 14, 2016 7:02 PM  

We can be anything we can pull off on the internet.

True.

I'm not sure it defines itself as a "he". I wouldn't.

Maybe a "hir'.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 7:04 PM  

bob

why are you all not demanding that HE defend HIS own fantasy?


Dude, three words: "Marital rape commets". He / she / hir / it has a script and sticks to it.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 7:05 PM  

Stalin defined "nation" thus:
"a nation is not a casual or ephemeral conglomeration, but a stable community of people"; "a nation is formed only as a result of lengthy and systematic intercourse, as a result of people living together generation after generation"; and, in its entirety: "a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture."


therefore, the purpose of the importation of large numbers of people speaking languages, practicing religions and having cultures widely divergent from the native population is ... ?


once again, the Marxists not only know what they do, they told you what they were doing scores of years ago.

Anonymous Black Rifles Matter September 14, 2016 7:05 PM  

Rollo53
What I find interesting is whether the AR has demonstrated any ability to impact the polity


The AR is the most popular rifle in the US, it's clearly had an impact.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 7:08 PM  

121. A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 7:04 PM
Dude, three words: "Marital rape commets". He / she / hir / it has a script and sticks to it.



*shrugs* then he will soon be banned.

this is no reason not to hold him accountable to the rules of the blog.

especially when he's the one living Aldo Nova.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miSMxBP42W0

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 7:10 PM  

once again, the Marxists not only know what they do, they told you what they were doing scores of years ago.

"We will bury you."

I do subscribe to his point of view.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd September 14, 2016 7:28 PM  

Rollo53 wrote:Put an atlas, a copy of the Constitution and the most recent U.S. Census on a table and you are set.

Muh Magic Dirt, Muh Constitution, Muh Diversity. Bogus, dude.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd September 14, 2016 7:32 PM  

Black Rifles Matter wrote:The AR is the most popular rifle in the US, it's clearly had an impact.

Since it's chambered in .223, it's been a minimal impact. The Garand will leave deeper, larger craters, and build muscles, too.

OpenID simplytimothy September 14, 2016 8:08 PM  

@127 buddy of mine just pointed out a respected U.S. company has a come out with a pretty beefy AR platform. Its an old company, like High Standard, they made the Buffalo Rifle (gun?)....

(grunts, searches...) Sharps!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharps_rifle

btw, my buddy has one handed down from great-grandpa, brought over from Scotland or something (he says).

(grumbles, searches Sharps AR....)

25-45 AR Platform.

http://srcarms.com/wordpress/25-45-sharps/ammunition/










Anonymous andon September 14, 2016 8:08 PM  

71. Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett September 14, 2016 5:11 PM
@64. Misers, if confident in their abilities, should side against the alt-right,i think.


lol, miser. I was trying to think of the word, I think that fits.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 8:19 PM  

"we have, of course, accomplished nothing and influenced no one. which is why Hillary decried us."

Decried? I'm pretty sure the correct understanding of what she did was use the AR...like an old, comfortable, soft towel.

Blogger pyrrhus September 14, 2016 8:20 PM  

@114 And Reagan wasn't that wonderful. He didn't get rid of any Departments, he did sign bloated spending bills, he did sign the Amnesty bill, he did sign the disastrous 1986 Tax Act.

OpenID simplytimothy September 14, 2016 8:23 PM  

Hickock45 on the

Sharps 45-70

Blogger Mountain Man September 14, 2016 8:30 PM  

"The truth is that I'm simply conversationally promiscuous."

Then wear a condom - the world doesn't need more of your spawn around.

Blogger Mountain Man September 14, 2016 8:39 PM  

"The thieves will spare no time stabbing each other in the back. The country is overrun with industries addicted to Government spending. Their owners and employees will turn on each other in fury over the dwindling scraps of spending."

Isn't this the truth. The US is fast resembling a ptomekin village economy.

Anonymous Casey September 14, 2016 8:41 PM  

~~~I was Alt-Right, when Alt-Right wasn't cool~~~

Good Alt-Right music for us old folks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGx_XzxDeM

Blogger Mountain Man September 14, 2016 8:48 PM  

"I'm a centrist in the world of "liberal/Consercative". It might just be that perspective that allows me to see thar this "AltRight" corner of the world poses zero threat to the political order."

That's because you have a 2D view of the world around you. You're also a gas bag whose hubris blinds him to any and all train of thought that stands in the way of your inflated sense of intelligence. Combined this prevents you from seeing the very real paradigm shift that is taking place as we speak. There is ,metaphorically speaking ,an earthquake happening under your feet and you're too blind and deaf to sense it.

Anonymous Edward Abbey September 14, 2016 8:56 PM  

"There is ,metaphorically speaking ,an earthquake happening under your feet and you're too blind and deaf to sense it."

You know I sort of pretty much agree with your response to this gasbag. But just as a point of academic accuracy, it sounds like you've never really experienced an earthquake. PRO TIP: seeing and hearing aren't the first things to make you notice it. (Well, hearing is, I guess, but it's sort of secondary.) But that's just clueing in, not snottiness. Carry on, agreeable dude!

Blogger Mountain Man September 14, 2016 9:04 PM  

@137
Point taken. Ive been through one minor one. It was really more of a feeling of things moving as opposed to hearing /seeing ( although they too were components)

...too dense to sense and understand it.
(fixed)

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 14, 2016 9:23 PM  

This campaign is the gift that keeps on giving.

How two Twitter pranksters convinced the world that Pepe is a NahZee Meme.

How stupid are journo-lists? Well, they attempted to interview a 19 year old named Jared Taylor Swift for their "news" story.

Jared Taylor Swift! Excellent!

Anonymous tb September 14, 2016 9:25 PM  

What half-wit cannot understand the analogy of Flight 93 so as to criticize its "aptness"? No shit the plane crashed - that's not the point. The point is that you're dead anyway if you don't act, and even then it still may be too late. If option A is death, option B is maybe death and maybe life, these nits choose option C(uck, omplain, ower).

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 14, 2016 9:50 PM  

Also, it can be that we are going to die no matter what, lets show them those mfers we are not sherp to be sheared on the cheap.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 14, 2016 10:10 PM  

"the very real paradigm shift that is taking place as we speak. There is ,metaphorically speaking ,an earthquake happening under your feet and you're too blind and deaf to sense it."

So enlighten me. What are the most obvious signs of this paradigm change? Are their any to be noted? It's earthquake-like. The impact surely can be felt.

Blogger James Dixon September 14, 2016 10:15 PM  

> You're wrong. The truth is that I'm simply conversationally promiscuous.

Yeah, you do mouth off a lot, I'll give you that.

> Tell me Mr. Hair Twirler, would your analysis of where conservatives fit in the American polity when Trump loses and conservatives hold the House and the Senate??

Why would a Canadian care?

> People will in fact talk to you if you actually say something.

An unwarranted assumption.

> Reagan cannot be held accountable for the Demoncrats bald face lying to his face.

He'd seen them in operation for over 20 years. He should have known.

> What I find interesting is whether the AR has demonstrated any ability to impact the polity...

We'll find out in less than two months. If I were willing to give you the benefit of a doubt as to being what you say you are, I'd say you should hope they have.

But then I look back over your posts, and I know better.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 14, 2016 10:57 PM  

142. Rollo53 September 14, 2016 10:10 PM
What are the most obvious signs of this paradigm change?



i'd say the simple fact that Yeb! is the Republican nominee should be a pretty good clue that there is a paradigm change going on.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit September 14, 2016 11:22 PM  

Conservatism as we have known it since Reagan is dead. Whether the Alt Right or NeoTrumpism or something else will ascend in its place is presently unknown, but we can be fairly certain that conservatives will never win another national election, thanks to the demographic transformation they supported, and, in many cases, still support.

Shed no tears and spare no pity for them. Like every ideology that stands in opposition to observable reality, their eventual irrelevance is assured, it is merely a question of time.


So cuckservative = conservative now? When does the enemies list end?

There is no place for conservatives amongst the spectrum of the alt-right?

Points for ideological purity, maybe.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 11:36 PM  

2002 Denali fault: Why is there a wave running under my feet, in this concrete slab? And why does it keep going and keep getting bigger? It wasn't until I had run up out of the basement that a really saw or heard anything.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 11:38 PM  

How about $20T in debt and 40 years of wage stagnation?

If you aren't feeling it yet you will.

Blogger SciVo September 14, 2016 11:40 PM  

Publius Decius Mus continues to be a good writer and interesting thinker. I think he basically took some familiar concepts (at least familiar to us) and dressed them up in a nice combination of clear rhetoric and classical references, but if that's what it takes to get a reaction -- well done, bravo and encore.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 14, 2016 11:41 PM  

You should read more.

Blogger tublecane September 14, 2016 11:52 PM  

@143-"He'd seen them in operation for over 20 years"

He *was* one, in fact.

Anonymous Rollo53 September 15, 2016 12:05 AM  

"i'd say the simple fact that Yeb! is the Republican nominee should be a pretty good clue that there is a paradigm change going on."

The only thing Donsld Trump represents is the obvious result of 30 years of political polarization driven by gerrymandering. When the public has been pushed to the edges of the spectrum the only thing that might bring some together is when the dimmest of the agree celebrity is cool.

Trump can't even communicate Nationslism, let alone a white identity ideology. He merely sees a business opportunity to leverage his name and most folks know that.

Your paradigm change is nothing of the sort.

Don't forget, Trump got one of the lowest percentages of primary votes of a nominee in nearly 30 years.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 15, 2016 12:16 AM  

The Overgrown Hobbit wrote:There is no place for conservatives amongst the spectrum of the alt-right?
What on earth do you think the alt-Right is an alternative to? And if your co-religionists are going to fight the alt-Right harder than they've EVER fought the Left, then maybe there's a bit of animosity there.

So, no, there's no place for TruConservatives(tm) on the alt-Right. You shit in your bed, now lie in it.

Rollo53 wrote::Don't forget, Trump got one of the lowest percentages of primary votes of a nominee in nearly 30 years.Don't forget, Trump got one of the lowest percentages of primary votes of a nominee in nearly 30 years.

And yet, Trump got the most primary votes of any GOP nominee in history.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 15, 2016 1:11 AM  

@151 Trollette

“The only thing Donsld Trump represents is the obvious result of 30 years of political polarization driven by gerrymandering. When the public has been pushed to the edges of the spectrum the only thing that might bring some together is when the dimmest of the agree celebrity is cool.
Trump can't even communicate Nationslism, let alone a white identity ideology. He merely sees a business opportunity to leverage his name and most folks know that.“

Darling, 53 must be your IQ, because you are the worst kind of troll. When repeatedly provided with evidence to the contrary, you simply keep repeating your assertions.

In spite of 50 years of leftist advance throughout all institutions of this society, you are going to ascribe it all to gerrymandering. What a hoot. But then you insist that the public has been pushed to the edge of the spectrum (by gerrymandering? a symptom, not a cause of anything), but won't come together except to agree on the latest celebrity (or at least that seems to be what you're saying, because your sentence structure is so poor). What spectrum are you referring to? What part of the public are you talking about? SJW's? Cuckservatives? Millenials? Your attempt at logic is so ridiculous, that it doesn't matter, because simply saying that they won't “come together” is both undefined and unsupported by anything but your feeble assertions. Evidence such as the voters in the Republican primaries are breezily ignored by the feeble-minded and trolls such as yourself.

Then on to Trump. This is where your trolling really becomes obvious. Who says Trump can't communicate nationalism, whatever that means? You? Based on what evidence? What speeches? Something from 15 years ago? You've already demonstrated you're not keeping up with current events. Dragging some quotes out of context from quips made long ago in a non-political venue mean nothing. As it stands now, Trump is stating specific policies that prioritize American people, jobs, economy, border, etc. etc. That you are not convinced simply means you've had your ears plugged, your eyes shut, and your mind closed. Maybe he should have a speech where he simply reiterates the words “American nationalism” for about 20 minutes. Would that convince you?

Really, darling, you are such a troll. I can't believe I've wasted all this time on you, although for a troll that is the whole point, isn't it? It's been mildly amusing, but now just go away. We promise we won't throw rotten vegetables at your back as you fade into the distance.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2016 1:24 AM  

Arthur Isaac wrote:You should read more.

My phone is charging, so it looks like you were replying to me, in which case I simply disagree since you simply didn't present a case.

tublecane wrote:@143-"He'd seen them in operation for over 20 years"

He *was* one, in fact.


Indeed, my opposition to Democrats is so fierce because I understand them so well. Reagan gets no credit from me on that account.

Rollo53 wrote:The only thing Donsld Trump represents is the obvious result of 30 years of political polarization driven by gerrymandering. When the public has been pushed to the edges of the spectrum the only thing that might bring some together is when the dimmest of the agree celebrity is cool.

Delete your account, you're drunk. Both literally and figuratively. You're slurring and typing utter nonsense.

Blogger SciVo September 15, 2016 1:29 AM  

To be clear to Arthur Isaac, what I mean is that on the mobile version of the site replies are treed, but not on the desktop version. So I can't be sure that you were replying to me just because your comment was right after mine chronologically.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 15, 2016 2:10 AM  

151. Rollo53 September 15, 2016 12:05 AM
The only thing Donsld Trump represents is the obvious result of 30 years of political polarization driven by gerrymandering.



Trump is the result of gerrymandering? just how fucking stupid are you?

so the "not really a Republican" was FAVORED by the creation of solid Republican voting districts?

*facedesk*


returning to your fantasy world, 538 is reporting that official polling is continuing to trend in Trump's direction
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-has-clintons-bad-weekend-moved-the-polls/

while Cuckservative antipathy towards Trump could hurt or even overturn the Republican majorities in Congress
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-house-majority-is-safe-right/

so, not only have you never provided any explanation for your own fantasy projections, we would seem to be more likely headed for a Trump presidency + Democrat Congress.

sla-blam.

depending, of course, on how much you trust the opinion of ((( Nate Silver ))) and a ((( Wasserman ))).


151. Rollo53 September 15, 2016 12:05 AM
Don't forget, Trump got one of the lowest percentages of primary votes of a nominee in nearly 30 years.


the Republican field at the beginning of the race was almost 20 candidates. it wouldn't have mattered a bit who the final champion was, the overall total would have been depressed by the huge numbers of voting options in the early running.

but, you being the incompetent that you, you can't even get basic facts right. the large opening field means that Trump set a record for the most primary votes cast AGAINST ( not actually true, but this is how the media, Cruz, Kasich, et al are spinning it )him.

however, he also set the Republican primary record by a HWIDE margin,
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/trump-trumps-wins-historic-race-record-fashion/


so, once again, you demonstrate yourself wholly incompetent on even the most basic facts.



152. Snidely Whiplash September 15, 2016 12:16 AM
So, no, there's no place for TruConservatives(tm) on the alt-Right. You shit in your bed, now lie in it.



meh.

many "Conservatives" haven't yet realized that the label means nothing. even the estimable Mr. John C. Wright continues to pretend that 'Conservative' has a definable ideology beyond 'the way things were when i grew up'.



we were still using the term regularly here as recently as last year, while the primary was going on.


it's going to take time to move the Overton Window on this. i mean, just look at how many Republicans were dumb enough to get buffaloed into adopting the color of Communism as their own flag.

RedState.com?

*facedesk*

Blogger tublecane September 15, 2016 2:27 AM  

@152-"What on earth do you think the alt-Right is an alternative to?"

The mainstream right. Which may or may not include all of conservatism, I'm not sure. Definitely Conservatism, Inc. But you know, whereas Conservatism, Inc. was talking out the other side of its mouth about the Wall, plenty of conservatives actually believe in restricting immigration. Where they differ is in tactically and in a certain psychological attachment to make-believe like democracy and the Constitution. I don't know if that's enough to exclude them from the alternative scene.

Where precisely to draw the line is up in the air. I'd hate for it to become an in-group/out group social signalling contest. That can get to be like arguing over what bands have "sold out." Who cares?

Obviously, if you read National Review for pleasure you're out.

Blogger Ivan J September 15, 2016 2:28 AM  

A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Conservatism as we have known it since Reagan is dead.

Well, it's been smelling that way for 4 years; no, 8 years; wait, more like 16, but... Well, heck. Paraphrasing Foundation, in future years historians will examine the last 25 years and fix some date, saying "Here is the time when the Conservatism of the latter 20th century collapsed".

I believe the conservatism of Reagan was more like classical liberalism.
The problem today is that classical liberalism AKA conservatism is not being taught by parents or through the schools. It is losing because it is being forgotten, and it is being buried in progressive propaganda.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 15, 2016 2:43 AM  

@65 Deplorable Gaiseric
The trolls are at least getting better usernames, even if their content isn't better. Picking a figure that's important to the founding of Western/Germanic civilization, like Rollo, sure beats Golden Showers or Tiny Dick.
---

Really? I thought it was named after that Toblerone candy knockoff.

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 15, 2016 2:51 AM  

Sorry SciVo. I was referring to "The Overgrown Hobbit" who is still wailing on about how we are ideological Puritans for mockin conserva-nuthins.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 15, 2016 3:37 AM  

tublecane wrote:The mainstream right. Which may or may not include all of conservatism, I'm not sure. Definitely Conservatism, Inc. But you know, whereas Conservatism, Inc. was talking out the other side of its mouth about the Wall, plenty of conservatives actually believe in restricting immigration.
There is no mainstream Right in America. There are only two mainstreams, both on the Left. One is an older current, which concerns itself with the Rights of Man, liberte`, egalite`, et fraternite`, the Social Compact, and other French Liberal nonsense, and the other which is concerned only with overturning every possible human tradition and institution.

Classical Liberalism and Progressiveism are two branches of the same limb of the tree. They are arguing about how much of the root of the tree they can kill without destroying themselves. The progressives hate the root and want it dead, the Liberals don't care for the racist, misogynist root and would rather be as far from it as possible, but know that the tree is needed to support the branch.

Ivan J wrote:I believe the conservatism of Reagan was more like classical liberalism.

The problem today is that classical liberalism AKA conservatism is not being taught by parents or through the schools. It is losing because it is being forgotten, and it is being buried in progressive propaganda.


No, the problem is that Liberalism, now called Conservatism, doesn't actually believe in anything real, and is perfectly willing to accept "just like last year" as the goal of its activism.
Conservatism pretends to believe in nonsensical notions like equality, emancipation, and self-governance, and is perfectly wiling to enslave the hoi polloi to achieve it.

Blogger tublecane September 15, 2016 4:27 AM  

@160-Right and left are relative terms. Classical liberalism is to the right of IPC (insane political correctness). There is a right and left within the Enlightenment.

The right of Europe, by the way, though more right-right than the American right, isn't really right-right-right, either. They're not into Crowns and Tiaras; they're not aristocrats. They're not counter-reformationists. They're not even anti-democrats.

Blogger Tom Kratman September 15, 2016 6:48 AM  

Great piece, but he misses one point. If the Hildebeest wins, we may as well go to civil war now while we still can. At that point even I admit that there will be no other hope.

Fortunately, the polls are trending in Trump's direction enough to reasonably expect him to win. *My keyboard to God's ear.*

Blogger Mountain Man September 15, 2016 7:50 AM  

"Really? I thought it was named after that Toblerone candy knockoff."

Nice !

Blogger Mountain Man September 15, 2016 7:57 AM  

"So enlighten me. What are the most obvious signs of this paradigm change?"

Your question confirms my assessment.
The comment board here isn't a collegiate debate team. No one owes you shit for explanations - especially when your own hubris stands in the way of your ability to learn.

Blogger Anchorman September 15, 2016 8:10 AM  

Ford just handed the election to Trump

Blogger Ivan J September 15, 2016 8:47 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:No, the problem is that Liberalism, now called Conservatism, doesn't actually believe in anything real, and is perfectly willing to accept "just like last year" as the goal of its activism.

Conservatism pretends to believe in nonsensical notions like equality, emancipation, and self-governance, and is perfectly wiling to enslave the hoi polloi to achieve it.

Don't confuse the Republican affiliation with conservatism. The bigwigs are progressives.
Just look at the Bushies. They believed they could tame the middle east Arabs, and turn that wasteland into a functional democracy. They would have had more success throwing a suit on a chimp and calling that an accountant.
In regard to the bigwigs, I do agree with their willingness to enslave the "hoi polloi". Look at the Laffer taxation curve. Its central theme is that we the working productive people only exist as a revenue (tax) source for the benefit of the government. In other words, we are sheep whose only purpose is to be fleeced.

The other problem for the conservatives (classical liberals) is the government crackdown that has been going on for about three or four years. The federal government AKA Obama has been confiscating the donor lists for tea party candidates, and then shutting down the small business (mom and pop) contributors. Obama bled them through the hugely overpriced court system through various government agencies such as IRS, EPA, FBI, etc. Surprise surprise, this election cycle, the tea party candidates didn't have nearly as much money (less propaganda) as the RINOs. I would say the RINOs masqueraded as tea party candidates, and knocked a bunch of them off.

Blogger JimR September 15, 2016 12:13 PM  

"The only thing Donsld Trump represents is the obvious result of 30 years of political polarization driven by gerrymandering."

Rollo53 thinks gerrymandering is what gets you the nomination, or the Presidency, when the state vote totals are counted, not by congressional district.

Is he pig ignorant? stupid? or simply lying?

Blogger Tom Kratman September 15, 2016 3:24 PM  

I posted the link to my FB page, which generated some conversation. As part of that I posted the following:

Depends on what we mean by "conservative," John. For a long time, it's not really been a principled or thoughtful movement, but only a delaying action ("standing athwart the rails of history shouting stop!'" or something to that effect) against a presumption that history, fate, or whatever was on the side of Marx. No wonder it lost whatever soul it had.

Conversely, I would say to you that real conservatism is mostly - as with every other ideology - about the nature of man, malleable / perfectible by training, education, social engineering, and relentless bloody nagging - Left - or by breeding - Right - or in assuming that man is already "good" but warped by our perverse society - Left - which must be changed, or that man was good but that downbreeding is ruining him - Right, or some variant to those. Conservativism, I think, says, "Bullshit. Man is what he is and neither your social program nor your breeding nor both together can reliably change him, even though you may well ruin him. IOW, you fanatics can't do any lasting good, but you tend to do a lot of lasting harm." THAT form of conservatism, my form, says, "No, we're not surrendering to your noxious tide; we'll kill you all first."

Blogger Tom Kratman September 15, 2016 3:25 PM  

JimR:

My guess is that he's stupid and ignorant, both.

Blogger James Dixon September 15, 2016 4:23 PM  

> Is he pig ignorant? stupid? or simply lying?

None of the above. He's paid. We've seen quite a few of them over the past few months.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 15, 2016 8:41 PM  

169. JimR September 15, 2016 12:13 PM
Is he pig ignorant? stupid? or simply lying?


how primary elector slates are chosen varies by state. but in my state, Indiana, electors are chosen by who the majority of votes *in each congressional district* go to.

my district, 3, is the only one that even came close to going for Cruz. had they done so, Cruz would have gotten a ( very ) few primary votes from Indiana. as it was, Cruz got zero and Trump took all Indiana delegates.

it's likely that most of the NON winner take all states actually function this way.

particularly hilarious though is his accusation that gerrymandering ( obviously meaning to imply that Republicans are drawing some wonky maps ) benefited Trump is this; compare the old, Demoncrat drawn districts against the current Republican drawn districts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana%27s_congressional_districts

notice how much MORE squarish / rectangular the districts are now that Republicans are in charge of drawing the lines?

but the Republicans are the ones guilty of "gerrymandering".

AND the Republican establishment gerrymandering somehow benefits the ... anti-establishment candidate?


yeah, what the fuck ever.

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