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Thursday, September 01, 2016

The new William F. Buckley

It's a bit ironic. Universal Press Syndicate signed me to a syndication contract with the idea that I would gradually come to replace their big syndicate star, William F. Buckley, because they considered me to be the most intellectually formidable of the "young" columnists then on the political scene. Needless to say, that didn't happen, as they were totally unable to place my column anywhere except, briefly, with the Dallas Morning News.

As it turns out, it's Jonah Goldberg who has turned out to be the true heir to William F. Buckley, as he is attempting to repeat his predecessor's example in reading the 160,000-strong John Birch Society out of the conservative movement in a column entitled "Time to John Birch the Alt-Right".
There is a diversity of views among the self-described alt-right. But the one unifying sentiment is racism — or what they like to call “racialism” or “race realism.” In the words of one alt-right leader, Jared Taylor, “the races are not equal and equivalent.” On Monday, Taylor asserted on NPR’s “Diane Rehm Show” that racialism — not religion, economics, etc. — is the one issue that unites alt-righters.

If you read the writings of leading alt-righters, it is impossible to come to any other conclusion. Some are avowed white supremacists. Some eschew talk of supremacy and instead focus on the need for racial separation to protect “white identity.” But one can’t talk about the alt-right knowledgeably without recognizing their racism.

And yet that is exactly what some conservatives seem intent on doing. For example, my friend Hugh Hewitt, the influential talk-radio host, has been arguing that there is a “narrow” alt-right made up of a “execrable anti-Semitic, white supremacist fringe” but also a “broad alt-right” made up of frustrated tea partiers and others who are simply hostile to the GOP establishment and any form of immigration reform that falls short of mass deportation.

This isn’t just wrong, it’s madness. The alt-righters are a politically insignificant band. Why claim that a group dedicated to overthrowing conservatism for a white-nationalist fantasy is in fact a member of the conservative coalition? Why muddy a distinction the alt-righters are eager to keep clear?

In the 1960s, the fledgling conservative movement was faced with a similar dilemma. The John Birch Society was a paranoid outfit dedicated to the theory that the U.S. government was controlled by communists. It said even Dwight Eisenhower was a Red (to which the conservative political theorist Russell Kirk replied, “Ike’s not a Communist, he’s a golfer”).

William F. Buckley recognized that the Birchers were being used by the liberal media to “anathematize the entire American right wing.” At first, his magazine, National Review (where I often hang my hat), tried to argue that the problem was just a narrow “lunatic fringe” of Birchers, and not the rank and file. But very quickly, the editors recognized that the broader movement needed to be denounced and defenestrated.
Jonah even went on his friend Hugh Hewitt's show and tried to get him to sign on to a campaign against the Alt-Right, to which Hugh, through either common sense, or, more likely, cowardice and fear of losing part of his audience, was obviously reluctant to endorse:
HH: We have been having a Twitter back and forth, and I actually don’t think we disagree. We just disagree maybe on a statement of the facts. Would you define the alt right?

JG: I know what you’re about to do. And then you’re going to say well, there’s this other version of the alt right. I am willing to defer to the definition of the alt right that the people who created and lead the alt right movement use, which is an, the one thing that unites them, Jared Taylor was on Diane Rehm the other day. Jared Taylor is a leading racist…

HH: Good. Please.

JG: …a member of the white alt right. And he says that there are a lot of different views among the alt right. Some are Christian, some are Odinists. Some are this, some are that. But the one thing they all agree on is what they call racial realism, or racialism, which is just a social science sounding term for racism. They believe that, if you read Richard Host, if you read Richard Spencer at the NPI, who leads an alt right think tank, if you actually read the people who created the term, who have been pushing this stuff, the one thing they all agree on is that we need to organize this society on the assumption that white people are genetically superior, or that white culture is inherently superior, and that we should have either state-imposed or culturally-imposed segregation between the races, no race mixing with the lower brown people. And I take them at their word, that that’s the stuff that they believe. And I think rather than poisoning or blurring that distinction, we should take them at their word and say we want nothing to do with any of that. And I know that you want nothing to do with any of that. I don’t dispute that for a moment. Where I disagree with you is this idea that we should sort of talk about this broader alt right that is just for the wall, or likes Donald Trump. No. What we should say is this is not your group to them, too. These are not disaffected tea partiers. These are people who we have a fundamental, first principle disagreement with. And any movement that has them in it, doesn’t have me in it, and vice versa.

HH: I agree 100% with that. Now does the term alt right get used exclusively in that fashion?

JG: No, which is one of the things that we should be doing, is we should be helping sharpen the distinction, not blur the distinction. I agree with you. There are a lot of people who don’t know what the alt right is. I live in these swamps. I’ve been having these fights for 20 years. I didn’t hear the term alt right until Donald Trump came up. But I know a lot of the people behind the alt right, because I’ve been getting it, they’ve been attacking me and then saying nasty anti-Semitic stuff to me since I started working at National Review. I mean, people are like, the guys at VDARE and these other places, they’ve all coalesced around this idea of the alt right, and it is not a coalitional idea where they want to be part of the conservative movement. It’s that they want to replace the conservative movement.

HH: And they have to be driven out of the Republican Party.

JG: Yes.

HH: I’m speaking as a partisan now. As William F. Buckley led the effort to drive the Birchers out of the party, so must genuine conservatives drive out what you and I agree is the core alt right.

JG: Right.

HH: In the process of doing that, I do not want people who are not familiar with how you and I believe it to be understood by the people who invented the term to think that they are being exiled. That is my fear, because I believe a lot of people, and I’ve seen it everywhere I go, say they are alt right, and they don’t know that Jonah Goldberg would then classify them as supremacist.

JG: Well, I wouldn’t necessarily classify them as supremacists, either. I would classify them as wrong.

HH: Yes.

JG: They’re using the term wrong. And in politics, you know, specifically, you know, I wrote a whole book which you were very kind to about the importance of labels and why they matter, and the importance of ideology and why it matters, and that we shouldn’t fall into this thing that labels don’t matter. Labels matter a great deal. The labels you choose for yourself matter a great deal. And sometimes, people choose their labels incorrectly. And so rather than say, rather than work from the assumption that someone says they’re an alt-righter, and say well, you know, I don’t know that that means you’re a racist, I would say well, what did you, you know, educate them. And people need to be educated about this.
It's rather like watching monkeys puzzle over a computer and start licking the keyboard and putting the mouse in their mouths in order to figure out how to make it work. It is two long time ideologists trying, and failing, to make sense of identity politics. And speaking of identity, how many of the growing number of people who describe themselves as Alt-Right, who watch Stefan's videos or read Richard Spencer's articles or listen to The Right Stuff or Red Ice podcats or look over my 16 Points with approval, do you believe to be so concerned that Jonah Goldberg - Jonah F. Goldberg! - would classify them as supremacists that they will flee from the brand with all due alacrity?

This is AAA Grade cuckservative projection: the belief that the key to all persuasion is to convince the other person that failing to do as you want will lead to someone calling you racist.

Point 12: The Alt-Right doesn't care what you think of it.

Jonah isn't as stupid as he sometimes appears to be. He understands, as he makes clear in the Hewitt interview, that he cannot expect to be as successful in banishing the Alt-Right from the public discourse or the Republican Party as Buckley was in purging the Birchers from the conservative movement. He knows we have no interest in being a part of it; any lingering doubts about the rhetorical effectiveness of "cuckservative" should be put to rest by that glorious moment when Hewitt recoils in horror from the mere mention of it and prissily hisses "Oh, I hate that!"

The cuckservatives fear and hate the Alt-Right for one simple reason. We are not their friends. We are not their allies. We are their replacements. They like to call us Nazis, well, to extend the Nazi analogy a bit further, conservatives are the Hindenburg party, in both senses of the term.

And as Mr. X pointed out on Twitter: "Everyone shouting "Birchers" like getting rid of them was great should remember that they were mostly right about communists in government."

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139 Comments:

Blogger The Bechtloff September 01, 2016 8:07 AM  

Jonah doesn't get it, we're not locked in with him, he's locked in with us.

OpenID leukosfash September 01, 2016 8:14 AM  

"... my friend Hugh Hewitt, the influential talk-radio host ..."

--influential--

My sides!

Blogger Fatherless September 01, 2016 8:14 AM  

Does anyone know how white JG's neighborhood is? The whitest one he can afford, perhaps?

Blogger FALPhil September 01, 2016 8:17 AM  

VD, I read that right before you posted this.

It has become quite entertaining to read this sort of thing in the conservative media. I think that the Hugh Hewetts and Johan Goldbergs actually have an understanding of the threat, but they do not have a clue about the strategy or the tactics. When you combine that with the phenomenon that the thought leaders of the alt-right are rhetorical geniuses and so social media savvy, it starts looking like the old David and Goliath story.

The analogy of latter day conservatism and the alt-right to Buckley and the Birchers is apt, but only in the threat that alt-right poses to conservatism. The issues are much more tangible and the failure of conservatism in much more visible.

It would be an interesting thought experiment to simulate how Buckley would react to the alt-right. After all, he was almost as smart as our host.

Blogger Robert Divinity September 01, 2016 8:17 AM  

It's actually hilarious. The days when some self-proclaimed conservative figure had the power and authority to exile members with BadThought ended long ago. Neoconservatives such as Goldberg are so discredited that their criticism act as an endorsement. To repeat myself:

If the contemporary National Review purges someone and no one hears about it, does it make a sound?

Does Jonah not realize that he would have to take advertisements on Alt-Right and other political websites for anyone even to know he exists let alone what he says at this point? Not only do We. Not. Care., no one else gives a shit these days what a National Review cuck has to say, either.

Blogger Lazarus September 01, 2016 8:26 AM  

Moshe Feiglin and his posse registered the Zehut (Identity) Party in Israel last year.

Maybe the zeitgeist is evolving.

Blogger Salt September 01, 2016 8:26 AM  

Mainstream Media: Defeat Trump By Attacking His Supporters

http://observer.com/2016/09/mainstream-media-defeat-trump-by-attacking-his-supporters/

This will work. /s

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 01, 2016 8:29 AM  

It reminds me of two gentlemen who do not realize they have entered Transylvania gingerly testing their bums against these curiously pointy chairs.

The lesson will eventually penetrate.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 01, 2016 8:30 AM  

The weak spot to the cucks is that they have all but endorsed identity politics for everyone but whites. And the "supremacist" label which so vexes so many is but projection via rhetoric.

We are not there yet but soon the rhetoric "racist" and "supremacist" will be turned about and shoved right back in their faces, twice as hard.

Blogger Salt September 01, 2016 8:32 AM  

do you believe to be so concerned that Jonah Goldberg - Jonah F. Goldberg! - would classify them as supremacists that they will flee from the brand with all due alacrity?

WE DON'T CARE! Now, Jonah... fuck off!

Anonymous TLM September 01, 2016 8:38 AM  

It would be highly entertaining and quite comical to see Hugh & Jonah in a cage match against each other. Let the sissy hits fly.

Blogger ThirdMonkey September 01, 2016 8:39 AM  

Why doesn't (((Jonah))) just host a Hillary fundraiser and get it over with?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 01, 2016 8:40 AM  

Would someone on Goldberg's twitter feed ask him since whites are not allowed identity are whites the untermensch?

Blogger Dexter September 01, 2016 8:40 AM  

If we just get these racist Nazis out of the conservative movement, we can resume my critical and highly successful campaign to convince everyone that Dems Are the Real Fascists and Dems Are the Real Racists.

Sincerely,

JonahNRO

Blogger ThirdMonkey September 01, 2016 8:41 AM  

Why doesn't (((Jonah))) just host a Hillary fundraiser and get it over with?

Blogger Student in Blue September 01, 2016 8:41 AM  

OT - Welcome to September (Youtube Link)

OpenID paworldandtimes September 01, 2016 8:44 AM  

Buckley's purge of Birchers, most generously interpreted, was in service to keeping a united conservative front in the Cold War. There is no spin or rationale for Goldberg's similar efforts.

Meanwhile we understand that we go Alt-Right or we perish. The Bickley/Lowery decades have been instructive: there can be no compromise on Point 14.

PA

Blogger Sherwood family September 01, 2016 8:47 AM  

It is interesting that they don't seem to get it. I've talked a lot with conservatives of various stripes and some of them are just obtuse. They don't see what is happening. It's not the 1980s anymore. The program that worked then for conservatives against liberals and against the Soviets is not a recipe for success in 2016 against the SJWs, etc. But they don't get it. They are stuck. But rather than recognize that the situation has changed and others are better equipped to fight the war, they not only don't get out of the way, they aid and abet the enemy.

Anonymous Joe Blowe September 01, 2016 8:56 AM  

Buckley was Yale/Skull & Bones/CIA. When he was officially with the CIA his handler was E. Howard Hunt and his job was to created propaganda and disinformation. When he supposedly left the CIA (if you really believe he left the CIA I have a bridge to sell you) his role was to sway patriotic but other wise infinitely gullible conservatives away from anti-NWO John Birch type nationalism and toward the Judeo-Masonic Globalism of the GOP Establishment and Council on Foreign Relations. He was a Pied Piper for the New World Order.

William F. Buckley burns in Hell.

Blogger Robert Divinity September 01, 2016 8:58 AM  

The bottom line is there has been a purge of the Republican Party already and the Bush/Neoconservative/Cuckley/Nationalism Reviled wing were expelled by the Trump faction. While Trump and the Alt-Right are not the same, the fact is Goldberg not only lacks the authority and credibility to read anyone out of the "conservative movement," he and his type already have been tossed out of it. At least Hewitt realizes what happened.

Blogger Student in Blue September 01, 2016 9:08 AM  

@20. Robert Divinity
While Trump and the Alt-Right are not the same,

Whoa there, hold on a minute!

Hillary Clinton herself told us that Trump is the leader of the Alt Right! She wouldn't lie about such things, now would she?

And don't even think about saying yes, because we have to protect those poor oppressed women like Hillary. (/sarcasm)

Blogger B.J. September 01, 2016 9:09 AM  

If we expelled all the racists from America, the country would be all white.

Anonymous Roundtine September 01, 2016 9:10 AM  

Some of the conservatives I've debated make the point that we're behaving exactly like what we complain about with leftists. And that is true to an extent. But our goal is to NOT have identity politics. If we had a white nation, there would be very little identity politics (probably zero since it means we won and can impose our values).

The conservatives cannot "kick out" identity politics because it is reactionary in the dictionary definition of the term. The cause of identity politics is diversity and progressivism, to destroy it you must attack diversity, multiculturalism and leftist political rule. Jonah needs to be talking about how groups like BLM shouldn't exist, how the Democratic Party maybe should be classified as a hate group, how racial groups such as La Raza are beyond the pale and disqualifies almost every Democrat in America from public office.

If he and other conservatives do not engage in brutal pitched battle with progressives, then they are no different than police who arrest firefighters and charge them with arson. The Alt-Right didn't start the fire, it's not setting the fires, it is trying to put it out. And if we can't do that, then we're all going to end up as something like white nationalists because even if we secede on political principles, the movement will probably be 90%+ white.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 01, 2016 9:10 AM  

Goldberg is an enemy who is more dangerous than BLM is. He, and NRO, need to be destroyed along with the Repuke Party. There's nothing American about him. Just another dual-citizen in need of deportation. I can't imagine his ant-racism and open-borders ideology would be very popular in Israel, where even the socialists are Zionists (nationalists).

Anonymous Alexamenos September 01, 2016 9:13 AM  

What exactly does being purged from the conservative movement entail? Will I no longer be able to comment at NRO?

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2016 9:14 AM  

> ...or that white culture is inherently superior...

If you use the measures of wealth and achievements, is there anyone on the planet who seriously disagrees with this statement?

> ...and that we should have either state-imposed or culturally-imposed segregation...

We're going to have that, whether it's state-imposed or not. In spite of decades of state enforced attempts at integration; they've all failed miserably. People naturally segregate of their own accord.

> And they have to be driven out of the Republican Party.

If you want the Republican party to fade into irrelevance, yes. You've already driven out a good third of the party with your purges over the years. If you drive out the alt-right it'll be over 50% and all you're doing is forcing the creation of a replacement party.

Simply not voting for the deomocrat candidate has been grounds for being reviled as a racist and Nazi by the left for decades now. Do they think we're going to care if some of the supposed republican party starts using those tactics too? We'll simply conclude they were leftists all along and act accordingly.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 01, 2016 9:15 AM  

Just as its individual members are selected over generations for immunity to Christian salvation, so Judaism the collective must stimulate the hatred of its host society in order to promote in-group altruism and avoid dissolving via assimilation.

This strategy has its holocausts.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 01, 2016 9:19 AM  

And as Mr. X pointed out on Twitter: "Everyone shouting "Birchers" like getting rid of them was great should remember that they were mostly right about communists in government."

Damn it, he beat me to it. And it started way before the sixties. A good portion of the people in government were at the very least communist sympathizers.

Blogger Stilicho September 01, 2016 9:20 AM  

Who better represents the American ideal: William F. Buckley or John Wayne? The answer to that question tells you all you need to know about Buckley vs the Birchers and all you need to know about the politics of the person answering the question.

Blogger BunE22 September 01, 2016 9:20 AM  

Maybe if Goldberg didn't have his head up the butts of cuckservitives he would have heard of the AltRight before "Trump came up."

I especially like the part where people label themselves incorrectly, now we need intellectuals to label us for our own good.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 01, 2016 9:21 AM  

Let those who hate Birch become Ash.

Anonymous Instasetting September 01, 2016 9:22 AM  

We need to rehabilitate the John Birch Society.

As to Russell Kirk's gibe, would he be willing to say the same thing about Obama? Perhaps being Country Club enough to golf is not an absolute vaccine against Communism.

Anonymous Hunsdon September 01, 2016 9:23 AM  

Man, the urge to purge is strong with (((them))).

Blogger VD September 01, 2016 9:26 AM  

Some of the conservatives I've debated make the point that we're behaving exactly like what we complain about with leftists.

They complain about it. We don't. And for the Nth time, tactics and strategies are not objectives.

If you use the measures of wealth and achievements, is there anyone on the planet who seriously disagrees with this statement?

If you are using a specific objective measure, then obviously the superiority is not general and may not be intrinsic.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 01, 2016 9:27 AM  

The Birchers actually underestimated the level of communist infiltration of the government, as did McCarthy. Communists won the full right to be government employees by 1968 or so. They almost certainly have top level security clearances by now.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 01, 2016 9:30 AM  

The conservatives cannot "kick out" identity politics because it is reactionary in the dictionary definition of the term.

Exactly. Identitarian politics is now the norm. Eschewing it because of "principles" while every other identity is embracing it is just stupid. Its rather like someone going to prison and insisting on maintaining their neutrality between the Black Nationalists, the Latin Kings, and the Neo-Nazis.

Blogger Crowhill September 01, 2016 9:31 AM  

Conservatives tend to be more about principle than about power, so they divide over matters of principle and destroy their own ability to have any influence.

Liberals are far more ready to embrace a false unity to create a larger power base.

We see the same phenomenon in politics and in churches.

Blogger Natalie September 01, 2016 9:31 AM  

These people really are incredibly fragile on race. One smuck was cuck signalling on Twitter about how he'd be proud to have someone like Allen West as his son-in-law because it's character that counts and not color. So naturally I pointed out that it's pretty much the definition of racial oppression and hubris to appropriate the best of that culture (these honorable, intelligent black men) for his own race while leaving the black women to find suitable men among those lesser 90% (since to my understanding black women are the least likely to marry outside their race). He shrieked and banned me almost at once. Couldn't even deal with the fact that his virtue signaling actually demonstrated his complete disregard for the black community and particularly the women in that community.

Needless to say, these people don't have a clue about how any of this works. I was once a nice person who didn't like talking about racist things. Now I troll cucks on twitter for fun. The winds of change they are a blowing.

Anonymous DJF September 01, 2016 9:32 AM  

Goldberg leaves out that fact that what pushed Buckley to come out against the John Birch Society in 1965 was that they had come out against the Vietnam war which they considered to be a waste of Americans lives and money and a distraction from the leftist policies the US administration was pushing in Washington.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1EFlMKV6sY

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2016 9:32 AM  

> And for the Nth time, tactics and strategies are not objectives.

Exactly. You use the tactics and strategies which have been proven to work.

> ...then obviously the superiority is not general and may not be intrinsic.

Well, that was sort of the point of limiting to those categories. :) But yeah, I probably should have been more clear. Not enough caffeine yet.

Blogger residentMoron September 01, 2016 9:33 AM  

So I'm an alt-right racist racialist anti-semite.

My half-Jewish wife will be glad to learn of it before she grows irreparably fond of me.

(The other half is Scottish. To say she's thrifty is akin to saying Jonah's a bit unreliable.)

Blogger VD September 01, 2016 9:35 AM  

I was once a nice person who didn't like talking about racist things. Now I troll cucks on twitter for fun

And the mind-virus spreads.

Anonymous DDT September 01, 2016 9:36 AM  

There is a diversity of views among the self-described alt-right. But the one unifying sentiment is racism — or what they like to call “racialism” or “race realism.” In the words of one alt-right leader, Jared Taylor, “the races are not equal and equivalent.”

I notice the pattern is often 'This is what these wicked people believe, that's why we have to destroy them'. The crucial step of arguing on evidence why their view is wrong? That gets skipped by cucks. The wrongthink is sufficient to dislike them.

Ask RRs for evidence for their 'not everyone is equal' claims and they'll dump evidence and arguments on your lap and delightfully discuss it. Evidence requests makes cucks run for the hills.

Blogger James Dixon September 01, 2016 9:36 AM  

> Communists won the full right to be government employees by 1968 or so. They almost certainly have top level security clearances by now.

Well, Obama is probably actually a Marxist, not a Communist, but that's sort of a given with him in office.

> Goldberg leaves out that fact that what pushed Buckley to come out against the John Birch Society in 1965 was that they had come out against the Vietnam war which they considered to be a waste of Americans lives and money and a distraction from the leftist policies the US administration was pushing in Washington.

And they were absolutely correct. Nixon was a disaster as President, but I can forgive a lot for him having gotten us out of that mess.

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 01, 2016 9:39 AM  

Stilicho wrote:Who better represents the American ideal: William F. Buckley or John Wayne? The answer to that question tells you all you need to know about Buckley vs the Birchers and all you need to know about the politics of the person answering the question.

Wayne. All day, every day, even twice on Sunday.

My appreciation of Buckley has diminished with each passing day. Back in 2008, I was angered by Christopher Buckley's endorsement of Obama during that campaign. Seven plus years on, not only am I not surprised by this tacit endorsement, I am certain that WFB would have praised it in some perverse way.

Only thing that could have redeemed WFB in my mind, and even then, it would probably only take my sincere dislike up to general indifference: he actually did throw a few punches at Gore Vidal's smug face. Couldn't even get THAT situation right.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 01, 2016 9:40 AM  

How is one 'written out' of something to which one does not belong?

Blogger Nick S September 01, 2016 9:46 AM  

OT

Turns out the Trump Train is a roller coaster. He's been killing it the last couple of days. Just watched his speech to the Vets. I expect the Lizard's lounge is in panic mode.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 01, 2016 9:47 AM  

Nixon was a disaster as President, but I can forgive a lot for him having gotten us out of that mess.

The amusing thing is that he is considered right-wing . Wage and price controls, EPA, OSHA, got the US out of Vietnam. But yeah, right-wing. Whenever I hear a leftist talking about Nixon (which isn't often because Reagan) I always ask what policies of his they oppose. Are the EPA and OSHA bad things? Should we have stayed in Vietnam? The sputtering is glorious. One day I will make a head explode.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 01, 2016 9:47 AM  

Natalie wrote:These people really are incredibly fragile on race. One smuck was cuck signalling on Twitter about how he'd be proud to have someone like Allen West as his son-in-law because it's character that counts and not color. So naturally I pointed out that it's pretty much the definition of racial oppression and hubris to appropriate the best of that culture (these honorable, intelligent black men) for his own race while leaving the black women to find suitable men among those lesser 90% (since to my understanding black women are the least likely to marry outside their race). He shrieked and banned me almost at once. Couldn't even deal with the fact that his virtue signaling actually demonstrated his complete disregard for the black community and particularly the women in that community.

Needless to say, these people don't have a clue about how any of this works. I was once a nice person who didn't like talking about racist things. Now I troll cucks on twitter for fun. The winds of change they are a blowing.


Good for you! You could also mention that the great "conservative" Allen West voted for the Pigford-Scam while in Congress, under which negroes who never farmed or owned a farm were paid around 50,000 a head by the Banana Empire. Perhaps it's due to their being obsolete agricultural equipment…..

OT, but interesting: Since Jonah F. Cuckleyberg hasn't yet endorsed her (though he likely will), we must ask which Wilsonian lizard will devour the other first: Will Edith Huma devour the Woodrow Hildebeast or vice-versa?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 01, 2016 9:47 AM  

Would someone on Goldberg's twitter feed ask him since whites are not allowed identity are whites the untermensch?

Point 14. is probably the most controversial because it states explicitly that Whites have a right to exist as an ethnicity.

With Vox's permission I republished his list on my own blog, annotated with my own mid-wit thoughts.

This part addresses point 14.


This is the part that leaves a lot wet underwear in it's wake.

People who will scream until they are blue in the face that "they do so believe" that African-Americans, Mexicans-Americans, Chinese-American (et all and whatever) have an absolute right to exist as separate ethnicities. Absolutely shit themselves if asked, "do Whites have the same right to exist?"

And its not a bad question in a country where Whites are headed (as we are gleefully told by rich Whites) into minority status. It is a mathematical certainty on our current population trajectory, so that does make it a relevant question.

And these right-wingers can't bring themselves to answer it without swallowing hard or outright panicking. The typical response if pressed it to deflect and say something like, "ALL people have a right to exist." They spin, twirl, pirouette, two-step and side step and in general dance flittingly around the question. They dissect it, examine under a microscope, dissolve it in acid...in short they do everything except answer the fucking question.

After their song and dance performance they conclude by screaming, "Racist!" As proudly as any lefty.

Except for the Lefty the answer is today a rather proud and smug, "No, Whites have forfeited their right to exist as an ethnicity. because of the crimes of their grandfathers"

Leftist Nhilism has reached it's inevitable end-state.


I strongly suspect that these 16 points are going to be the basis for the biggest political movement of the 21st century.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 01, 2016 9:48 AM  

If it wasn't for the whole Watergate thing the Dems would have started citing Nixon as a "good" Republican president decades ago.

Anonymous Joe Blowe September 01, 2016 9:49 AM  

Gen. Kong wrote:The Birchers actually underestimated the level of communist infiltration of the government, as did McCarthy.

When McCarthy started getting close to who was really behind Communism* the Corporate Media and entire Washington Establishment, including that terrible Swedish Jew Eisenhower, plotted to destroy him politically. As similar thing is happening to Trump put Trump has a few things McCarthy did not have: billions for to hire personal security, the Internets to communicate directly to the public, and an opposition that is now totally bereft of credibility. McCarthy also did not have the modern Alt-Right on his side.

We'll know when we have finally won when statues of Senator McCarthy are erected around the country and school kids learn about him instead of that Commie beast Mike King.

*For details on the Judeo-Masonic Banksters behind Communism read:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/red_symphony.htm
https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_the_bolshevik_revolution-5.pdf
http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf

Anonymous Broken Arrow September 01, 2016 9:51 AM  

If anyone hasn't seen Trump's speech last night in Phoenix, I highly suggest you watch it. No amnesty, illegals have to re-enter the country legally, sunsetting of the current immigration laws and one will have to prove they add value to the US when entering.

Blogger SemiSpook37 September 01, 2016 9:51 AM  

Accurate assessment on both the JBS and McCarthy.

I'm going to throw a stone in your concern over the commies having access to high clearance levels. Sure, there are most likely those folks that have access to certain programs/sources/etc., but as we've seen, one of three things usually happens:

1) They're likely indifferent, as either the materials available are unimportant to them (Obama) or the process to be cleared is so rigorous that they find other opportunities to make a living or cause issues,

2) They're actually turned off by what they see, because whatever they have access to seems so incredulous to them that they feel attempting to subvert it is a complete waste of time and resources, or

3) They do make the attempt to subvert it, and ultimately screw up somewhere in the process and either get a full punishment (i.e. Hansen, Montez), exiled (Snowden), or at least rightfully castigated (the current D candidate).

A friend of mine, who was an equipment operator on a sub, once told me this, and it's very true: throwing things under any classification only hides how screwed up things really are.

Anonymous CC September 01, 2016 9:55 AM  

Jonah Goldberg: "But, but, muh controlled opposition!"

Blogger Doom September 01, 2016 9:57 AM  

While I love to flip things, i.e. using your own thoughts to disprove your own words, "Point 12: The Alt-Right doesn't care what you think of it." ... "The cuckservatives fear and hate the Alt-Right for one simple reason."... Of course, just for me, if I doubt I am alone... I do care what they think. I love fear and loathing from them. I have cracked the whip on some of their blogs. I might dare say I have caused some of them to at least truck Trump. Maybe some of them even hate me for it, but they hide it. And if they do lie, and fear me enough to hide it, and follow the beat of my drum? All the better. Yeah... that is definitely rape-rape. *grins*

Oh yes, I do care. Deeply. Deliciously. Cruelly. However, even if I attempt to disprove, perhaps in law, I realize, in spirit (or law... depending)... yeah. Just have to go with it from time to time, or against it? ymmv

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus September 01, 2016 9:57 AM  

Jonah Goldberg represents the old order.

Make way for the new, Jonah.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 01, 2016 10:00 AM  

In terms of numbers and ideological consistency, wouldn't it make more sense to purge the right of (((conservatives))) instead of vice versa? The Dems seem to be on board for the open borders/constant war thing so Jonah would probably be more comfortable over there with the rest of his kind.

Blogger pyrrhus September 01, 2016 10:09 AM  

@45 I keep wondering when the John Wayne Airport in Orange County will be renamed after Che Guevara......

Blogger Paul September 01, 2016 10:11 AM  

I'm of the opinion that JG's indiscriminate feelings about the Alt-Right have little to do primarily with the Alt-Right but are rather little more than just another reflexive shriek from the depths of his Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Conservatives like JG react much like Biff & Muffy when they discover their daughter has been sleeping with a 1950's motorcycle greaser. After exhausting their denunciation of the greaser himself, they then turn indiscriminately to motorcycles as a vehicle, from Vespas to the most radically chopped hog. All filthy, all horrible. Munchkin, how could you, either one between your legs, how could you.

Blogger VD September 01, 2016 10:11 AM  

We do not reject equality before the law or equality of opportunity. As many on "our own side" immediately lied about us by claiming. These ideals are central to Western Nationalism.

This is totally incorrect, Cataline. The Alt-Right most certainly DOES reject equality before the law and equality of opportunity. Because neither of them exist.

Equality of opportunity means that every Chinese national has the same rights as a German national in Germany. Equality before the law means that every child is as legal culpable as an adult, and every foreigner has the same legal rights as every native.

Regardless of whether you agree with that or not, that is what the Alt Right believes. What did you think "equality does not exist in any legal sense" meant?

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 01, 2016 10:17 AM  

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 01, 2016 10:17 AM  

Cucks will fail in part because identity politics are here to stay and they allowed the Left to peg whites as "White Devils" as whites' only permissible identity.

The cucks are so easily discreditable its like taking ice cream from a baby.

Blogger praetorian September 01, 2016 10:18 AM  

Of all the words of cuck blogs and twitter
The scariest are these:
The Birchers are back,
And we brought Rare Pepes

Blogger Paul September 01, 2016 10:23 AM  

@59 The main reason I say this is that the Alt-Right predates Trump's candidacy, but the Alt-Right never interested JG until it became associated with the Trump campaign.

Anonymous Moonbear September 01, 2016 10:32 AM  

He is so uneducated on the subject he thinks "No race mixing = Supremacist" when in reality race mixing for white people = Extinction.
I think he is probably projecting, gods chosen people.
I bet he is a supremacist.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2016 10:35 AM  

Almost feel pity for Jonah Goldberg. Look, he married a nominally Catholic woman slightly older than him who kept her own name, they have one child, he's been working his way up the ladder at National Review for years starting with The Corner on the web site, he's done everything that's been asked of him.

Now it should be his turn. Now he should get to be a big shot, to be Jonah F. Goldberg and have a TV show with classical music and get to talk to people and have conservatives across America hanging on his every word. It's his turn, dammit!

He should be getting a movie made about his patriotism by Warner Brothers in a few years; Sons of Conservatism, telling how Jonah F. Goldberg singlehandedly chased the Birchers out of Conservatism, debated Gore Vidal, founded a magazine, and later chased the alt-Right out of Conservatism in order to save it from itself.

Instead, the wheels on his bus are coming off. NR is fading into irrelevancy, "conservatism" is dying or dead, and worst of all, oh, worst of all:

He's throwing us out of his club and telling us we can't belong, and We. Don't. Care about his little club.

As for Hugh H. Hewlitt, I have one thing to say about him: Harriet Miers. Enough said.

Blogger John Byde September 01, 2016 10:43 AM  

The mainstream conservatives actually hate the altright because too often they are racist and anti-semitic.

OpenID dreadilkzee September 01, 2016 10:43 AM  

Point 14: The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

Would this no be more accurate to say:

> The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of nations and the future of that nations children.

That would square with Point 5 and the nationalism. However there in lies the issue of dealing with race which is inherent to a nation. If the current phrasing is specific to Alt-Right in America then I an see the point but I think non-whites will miss that point.

Right now Babu Omowale is calling for the formation of a "Black" nation. The Alt Right should be in support of that idea on the one hand and negotiate on where to give the land on the other.

La Raza would be a different issue as they already have a nation, but for some reason just don't want to go there.

Blogger Derek Kite September 01, 2016 10:45 AM  

I like Jonah, enjoy listening and reading what he has to say. I think he is realizing he can make far more money calling non lefties 'Fascists' than calling liberals the same. Whatever turns your crank.

So argue your point. Make the argument that the cosmopolitain soft middle is going to keep your daughter from being confronted by some guy in a bathroom. Make the point that publicly supporting traditional marriage is not going to lose you your job. Make the point that the trillions of dollars coming out of China right now are great for the economy and making people in rich neighborhoods richer. Make the point that the bankruptcy of one Korean shipping company who handles a very large percentage of world trade is a really good idea and means that we will have security and prosperity. Make the point that the Islamification of Europe is a good idea. Make the point that driving 1/2 of the small retailers and food processors out of business over the next half decade to get rid of some greenhouse gasses is a great idea and will make us rich . Make the point that having a dozen people in a room deciding the fate of the economy is a good idea. Make the point that Spanish fascist policing techniques are working really well in the US, and that after a generation of their application the targetted populations are more stable and have learned the skills of self regulation and governance.

And please explain how as a writer you expect to get paid very well in the extremely competitive world of rehashing DNC talking point.

What I like about Trump is how he manages to make people unhinged, revealing the shallowness of their character. We see him as he is, in all his qualities and flaws. And we are seeing everyone else as they are in all their qualities and flaws.

Anonymous Baseball Savant September 01, 2016 10:48 AM  

Goldberg probably loves watching his wife get spitroasted by a couple of dindus.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2016 10:49 AM  

conservatives are the Hindenburg party, in both senses of the term.

Gasbags? Oh, the humanity!

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2016 10:52 AM  

What I like about Trump is how he manages to make people unhinged, revealing the shallowness of their character.

Trump 2016 for the LOLZ!

Blogger pyrrhus September 01, 2016 10:54 AM  

@66 Very probably right.....

Blogger RobertT September 01, 2016 10:56 AM  

Buckley Republicans are more likely to go the way of the dodo bird than the alt right.

Blogger RobertT September 01, 2016 10:56 AM  

Buckley Republicans are more likely to go the way of the dodo bird than the alt right.

Blogger Jimmy Glover September 01, 2016 10:57 AM  

Goldberg and his ilk are guilty of the same tactics they decry on the left. Saying white culture is different from black culture does not place a value on either. Now saying I want to live in the culture that values family, decency, education, and hard work also does not devalue another culture.

But they know this. The term white supremacy is like tossing the term racist around. It is meant to label.

Blogger Austin Ballast September 01, 2016 10:58 AM  

it starts looking like the old David and Goliath story

It sounds more like Saul and David. Saul lost his position, but was not immediately kicked out. David had to mature and grow while being persecuted by Saul.

The Alt-Right is not respectful of the Saul (Conservatives), but the other parts fit.

Anonymous LastRedoubt September 01, 2016 10:59 AM  

In the 1960s, the fledgling conservative movement was faced with a similar dilemma. The John Birch Society was a paranoid outfit dedicated to the theory that the U.S. government was controlled by communists.

Does he even remember his previous works?

Turns out, the Bircher's were right. Maybe not in all the exact details, but they were far more correct - especially looking back at the 40's and 50's and McCarthy - than they were given credit for.

On a tangent - Loki's Child being like RAW's works - I still remember the throwaway joke in one of the Shroedinger/Illuminatus books that the Soviet Union had been secretly taken over by capitalists pretending to be communists, and the US vice versa - and that the Birchers were more right than they realized.

Blogger Sheila4g September 01, 2016 11:02 AM  

@59 Paul: "I'm of the opinion that JG's indiscriminate feelings about the Alt-Right have little to do primarily with the Alt-Right but are rather little more than just another reflexive shriek from the depths of his Trump Derangement Syndrome."

You're mistaking the symptom for the cause. Jonah loathes Trump and his supporters precisely because, implicit behind Trump's general American nationalism, is an unacknowledged or presumed or denied White nationalism on the part of his supporters. That's precisely why the Alt Right has to police the ranks at present. I've read so many putative Trump supporters who were Democrats, or Republicans, or Tea Partiers, exulting in Trump by proclaiming "He's for Americans of all colors, creeds, and national identity." They genuinely see no conflict in that and, if you try to explain that the entire concept of a "great America" that they or Trump want to return to was a White America, they recoil in horror and shriek raciss.

In Goldberg's specific case, as with all other cucks, the root of that loathing is, again, the implicit acknowledgment that America was White, and Jews aren't - by both their own definition and that of their Alt Right nemesis. Jonah's entire identity is predicated on the Jewish retconning of American history - the proposition nation, the melting pot, Judeo-Christian roots, and magic dirt. The Alt Right (and Trump, inadvertently, because MAGA has implicit White roots) threatens Jonah et al at a gut level.

Blogger Austin Ballast September 01, 2016 11:02 AM  

Saying white culture is different from black culture does not place a value on either.

This is not quite accurate. Different cultures do have different values, but it is not the right of anyone but those in that culture to determine the direction that culture takes.

Anyone who thinks the black culture in many inner cities is better than that of rural American cities is nuts.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 01, 2016 11:04 AM  

National Review has a long, sordid history of trying to toss people out of the conservative movement. You don't build majorities that way.

What I suspect really has them scared is that the Alt-Right is developing a positive set of policies. The Old School Conservatives were AGAINST policies. The New Alt Right is FOR policies.

Big difference. Especially when you try to mount a counteroffensive.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 01, 2016 11:05 AM  

Go sit in your corner, Nationalism Reviled Oldtyme.

Blogger plishman September 01, 2016 11:08 AM  

Political correctness is not solely a disease suffered by white, Christian societies. Increasingly it is taking root in India also. It appears to be a predatory ideology that attacks peaceful civilizations generally.

Blogger bob k. mando September 01, 2016 11:08 AM  

Mr. X pointed out on Twitter: "Everyone shouting "Birchers" like getting rid of them was great should remember that they were mostly right about communists in government."


the Alt-Right credentials of the John Birch Society extend FAR beyond 'communists in government'.

the JBS was going on about the CFR, Tri-Lateral Commission, et al, from WAY back.

the JBS understood the origins of the modern One World movement as being rooted in Free Masonry.

the JBS was going on about the Banksta involvement in the consipiracy from way back.

the JBS is the origin of the "Get the US out of the UN" campaign.

the JBS were overtly nationalist and anti-universalist.

Welch may not have known the names of the Frankfurt School, Gramsci or Coudenhove-Kalergi, but he did identify most of what they were doing simply from the effects observable in the 50s and 60s.


http://www.researchforprogress.us/watchlists/right/sectors/patriot-movement/jbs/john-birch-society.html


of course, the Birchers weren't even the first people of the Right to notice most of these things. Charles Lindbergh was talking about a lot of this stuff before WW2.

and they were all correct, as history has demonstrated.

Anonymous Case September 01, 2016 11:11 AM  

Anti Alt-Right=anti American.

That's just what it comes down to.

Blogger Elocutioner September 01, 2016 11:12 AM  

"the one thing they all agree on is that we need to organize this society on the assumption that white people are genetically superior, or that white culture is inherently superior, and that we should have either state-imposed or culturally-imposed segregation between the races, no race mixing with the lower brown people"

Projection. What must he think of Israel?

"And I take them at their word, that that’s the stuff that they believe." He takes his own strawman at it's word. Superior verbal IQ, fam.

Rewrite:
"Only TRUE CONSERVATIVES are morally fit to rule this Republic and those evil 'white supremacists' must be either subjugated or expelled and prevented from deciding elections. They don't belong in the America I believe in! To the Birching tree with them!"

"HH: And they have to be driven out of the Republican Party."

What's good for the goose, you bitchy little gander. "Look at me - I'm the Republican now."


@5 Robert Divinity:
"The days when some self-proclaimed conservative figure had the power and authority to exile members with BadThought ended long ago."

Yup. Losers don't make the rules. They only reason they're still around is the oligarchs still finds them to be useful idiots.

I would LOVE for a hacker to release the financial docs for NR, including the list of all the "donors." Remember that their money losing 501c3's finances are kept secret the next time they demand transparency or tax returns from Trump.

Blogger Elocutioner September 01, 2016 11:15 AM  

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Anonymous Gen. Kong September 01, 2016 11:20 AM  

As it has been mentioned previously: Conservatives like Jonah Goldberg (and William F. Cuckley before him) cannot even conserve women's bathrooms. Their whole movement is an utter fraud and has been so from its beginning. The only thing they've conserved are the globalist left's gains in power.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 01, 2016 11:22 AM  

DISCLAIMER: I don't self-identify as being Alt-Right nor will I because it is a white nationalist movement and I am Black, and I have no problem with white folks forming identifications along the lines of race and culture. I do, however, find myself in either agreement and/or concurrence with many Alt-Right concepts. That being said.....

Watching this "blow-up" has been fascinating, to say the least. When started reading some of these blogs, my only intent was to read stuff at LvM which led me to Aaron Clarey. From there, I ended up at Red Pill Room. After that, I was frequenting RoK. By this time I was using Red Pill Room like an aggregate site and started frequenting DalRock. Then one day, Roosh posted a very cynical article about society. I was like "What's up with that?" Later on I was frequenting Danger And Play as well as Alpha Game. Of course Vox Populi soon followed.

I guess my entire point is that I got into these blogs for economics info, self improvement, and enjoying the ridicule and mockery of SJWs. I could never have predicted what is happening now (and I say this as a constant reader of Heartiste). This entire Alt-Right thing is mind blowing. And, I dare say, it's been fun watching this "go down."

Blogger CM September 01, 2016 11:28 AM  

His equivocation on labels is so idiotic.

I believe Buckley conservatism was about Individualism, right? So are you a Buckleyite or not? Either labels matter or they don't.

If they do, you aren't a Buckley Conservative. If they don't, then who are you to lable an entire political group as racist?

And its entertaining that the Birchers were wrong in one particular, :. They are wrong about the whole.

Anonymous BGKB September 01, 2016 11:40 AM  

Does anyone know how white JG's neighborhood is? The whitest one he can afford, perhaps?

Remember groids can't tell the difference between Asians and Whites. http://www.amren.com/news/2016/08/youre-asian-right-why-are-you-even-here/

I especially like the part where people label themselves incorrectly, now we need intellectuals to label us for our own good

Does he mean like Bruce Jenner calling himself a woman driver after killing one woman, or the Afghani Moslem identifying himself a an Afghani moslem after shooting 102 gays?

Man, the urge to purge is strong with (((them))).

When they suck on each other they don't get far enough in to trigger a gag reflex.

one will have to prove they add value to the US when entering.

Well there is proof he is an anti semite

Anyone who thinks the black culture in many inner cities is better than that of rural American cities is nuts.

Raping a woman on a sidewalk in broad daylight is part of the culture. http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2010/04/09/West-Toledo-teenager-indicted-in-sidewalk-rape-case.html

Blogger Elocutioner September 01, 2016 11:42 AM  

CM wrote:And its entertaining that the Birchers were wrong in one particular, :. They are wrong about the whole.

Standard disqualify tactic of the left. But muh principles!!

The problem Jonah et al. are facing is that after 20 years of fighting anonymous, shameless leftists online we have a generation who understands such obvious dishonest techniques and how to counter it. We understand all the Alinsky tactics and have adopted them. And we understand our enemies are not bright and are vulnerable to their own favorite tactics, like mockery. But the dinosaurs still think (or hope) the conversation can remain a one-way harangue. They're shutting down the comment sections because they don't actually want a conversation, they can't admit that maybe they were wrong. If they evolve ideologically they risk their sinecures and gullible midwit audiences and have to accept the badthinkz. They are not intellectually open or honest nor up to the challenge. They're in a spiral of irrelevance.

At the end of the day Jonah et al. have an untenable ideological position versus realists. Since they lose on dialectic and history they resort to the same dishonest rhetorical tricks of the left that they've made careers decrying while simultaneously screaming 'muh principles!!' Watching these effeminate, pompous pseudo-intellectuals whine and kvetch is truly delicious.

Blogger Shimshon September 01, 2016 11:57 AM  

Jonah married out. His posterity, little that it is, isn't even Jewish. Is his wife just as propositional an American as he is? Didn't find anything in a quick look. Other than the emphasis that she kept her name.

"Donald E. Eaton, the Superior Court commissioner for San Juan County, officiated at the San Juan Valley Church in Friday Harbor, Wash."

At least he didn't go through the pretense of finding some rabbi to give a "Jewish" imprimatur to it. I was at a wedding in days long ago where a rabbi and pastor were present. I wasn't expecting that, and it was supremely revolting.

Blogger Gaiseric September 01, 2016 12:01 PM  

dreadilkzee wrote:Right now Babu Omowale is calling for the formation of a "Black" nation. The Alt Right should be in support of that idea on the one hand and negotiate on where to give the land on the other.
Already done. Go make Liberia great again.

Blogger Shimshon September 01, 2016 12:02 PM  

Vox, given your assessment of Jonah, do you think he'll come around to a more neutral position eventually? Even if solely as a form of self-preservation vis a vis his income. I mean, if Trump does win, I imagine mainstream conservatives will start to rally around him, and no one will want to listen to young Goldberg whine and ferment sour grapes anymore.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 01, 2016 12:09 PM  

@90 You can certainly be an ally of the Alt-Right. African-Americans should have their own Alt-Right. You shouldn't settle for a place at someone else's table; you should have your own.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2016 12:11 PM  

I mean, if Trump does win, I imagine mainstream conservatives will start to rally around him, and no one will want to listen to young Goldberg whine and ferment sour grapes anymore.

I'm not Vox but I fully expect cuckservatives to desperately try to grab hold of Trump's coattails if he wins. There will be a lot of "Yes, but! Yes, but!" going on.

Young Goldberg? Young? Not hardly. That's part of his problem.

As for his wife, she was some kind of pal with Sarah Palin. Jessica G. wrote a book on Title IX about how good and great it was until the Clintons messed it up. So I don't expect Jonah F. Goldberg to come to grips with feminism, most betas don't.

Blogger Shimshon September 01, 2016 12:12 PM  

"They’re using the term wrong."

This is why describing yourself as alt-right is not only RIGHT, it is also excellent rhetoric. I am alt-right and so can you.

Dialectically, he may be right. But it irks him when they say it. That means it's working as intended.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 01, 2016 12:15 PM  

If we expelled all the racists from America, the country would be all white.

Ha. I like it. Probably unworkable as a slogan since it's too close to "the real racists are..." but it sure is true.

I don't self-identify as being Alt-Right nor will I because it is a white nationalist movement and I am Black,

Well, see, that's where the future's a little murky. The Alt-Right isn't necessarily White nationalist, it's just the only place White nationalists have to go. If Black Americans will get off the Democrat plantation, you can have a place on the Alt-Right too. The Immivasion have been devastating to Blacks - you'd have a much brighter future without 60 million Mexicans living here who hate you, want you neighborhoods, and have zero guilt about slavery. Or did you want to take your chances with the Chinese, who think you're monkeys? Besides, if a real shooting race war starts and White people get pissed off, you know you don't want to be on the other side.

I think there are two other racial groups that most White Alt-Righters would feel some obligation to - Blacks and Amerindians. We know our ancestors treated both groups unfairly and as a result we're sharing a continent. Your people aren't invaders to the continent. We're not going to give you reparations, but we owe you a place to call your own. That's a far better deal than you'll get from anyone else.

I still think there's a chance you'll pick the right side. I'm not positive, but oddly enough, it is the most natural alignment once the current Liberal-Cuckservative sham dividing lines fall apart.

Blogger Shimshon September 01, 2016 12:15 PM  

"Young Goldberg? Young? Not hardly. That's part of his problem."

Is my sarcasm that sharp? I know his age.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2016 12:31 PM  


Is my sarcasm that sharp? I know his age.


No, my sarcasm detector was malfed. Now I'll read it in the voice of a Jewish philosophy prof I used to know, with his slightly lifted eyebrows and widened eyes, "Young Goldberg...", yeah, there it is.

Jonah really does want to be one of the kool kidz. That is part of his problem.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 01, 2016 12:34 PM  

@100 I believe a victory of the Alt-Right must result in a fracturing of the USA into several Nation-States. While some divisions may be temporary, most will likely be permanent.

For African-Americans, I think they will have a Nation-State of their own. Some may be able to co-exist with White Southerners in a new CSA. But, I suspect they will still reside largely in separate communities.

Anonymous JAG September 01, 2016 1:05 PM  

At the end of this rainbow Johan is going to have no choice but to become a Democrat. He's pretty much already there. Might as well make it official because the Alt Right is the new sheriff in town. Hillary confirmed that with a mainstream recognition. Thanks Hillary!

Blogger bob k. mando September 01, 2016 1:07 PM  

90. Al From Bay Shore September 01, 2016 11:22 AM
nor will I because it is a white nationalist movement and I am Black, and I have no problem with white folks forming identifications along the lines of race and culture.



hey, we're fine with Black Nationalism.

it just, you know, needs to happen in a Black Nation.

which America is not, never was and never will be ( there are already more Beaners than Blacks, illegal immigration has turned the American Negro into a THIRD TIER minority ).



90. Al From Bay Shore September 01, 2016 11:22 AM
This entire Alt-Right thing is mind blowing.



my favorite moment was when Heartiste noticed that the DSM existed ... and explained all of these crazy women he was clubbing with.

a close second is that, not so long ago ( this year, in fact ), Heartiste was making fun of us for "muh Law, muh Constitution".

today, Heartiste has a post up about John Jay, nationalist, first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

yeah, once you figure out that what you've been taught about what the Law is, is a lie, and has been for going on a hundred years, and that most of these issues WOULD NOT EXIST if we simply followed the Law ... that'll fry your mind pretty good.




97. ZhukovG September 01, 2016 12:09 PM
You shouldn't settle for a place at someone else's table; you should have your own.



*posts picture of Obama cowering in the back of the situation room while all of the Whites and Jews are chaired in their Seats of Power before their massive computer screens as Bin Laden is killed*


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Obama_and_Biden_await_updates_on_bin_Laden.jpg



Anonymous GreyS September 01, 2016 1:38 PM  

Sounds like two Tsarist bureaucrats sitting in a cafe in 1916.

Anonymous JAG September 01, 2016 1:45 PM  

I meant to type "Jonah", but wrote "Johan" by mistake.

Blogger VD September 01, 2016 1:46 PM  

Vox, given your assessment of Jonah, do you think he'll come around to a more neutral position eventually? Even if solely as a form of self-preservation vis a vis his income.

Possibly, if he ever shuts the hell up and listens. Right now, he's just emoting.

Anonymous tublecane September 01, 2016 2:02 PM  

Rampant ignorance on display. This is aimed at folks who don't know any better yet, I realize, so maybe it doesn't make that much tactical difference. At least until they bump into alt-right ideas on their own, in which case they might never trust Conservatism, Inc. anymore.

How little intellectual curiosity Goldberg types have. He can't be bothered to study up on a movement supposedly on his own side. It's not like he has to read three volumes of Das Kapital. Just pick an afternoon and surf the net.

Anonymous LBD September 01, 2016 2:44 PM  

Jonah Goldberg is not Jewish. He is not even (((Jewish))). His father was Jewish, but JG is Episcopalian, as is his mother. He also married a non-Jewish woman, so despite his evocative surname, he is not a member of the tribe.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 01, 2016 3:14 PM  

Goldberg is lucky the old guard of the JBS is mostly gone now. They would have eaten him for lunch. Also, how diverse is NR? How many Jews vs non Jews?

Look at the 1960-1983 leadership and speakers bureau of the JBS. Alan Stang - Jew. Julia Brown - black woman, former KGB operative. Antony Sutton - British immigrant.

The JBS also welcomed non white members, something they were also ridiculed for. The upper levels of leadership were also immune to entryism by design for many years. Welch built the organization in a mnolithic fashion intentionally, so it couldn't be infiltrated by Communists as so many other organizations were.

The JBS WAS the alt-right.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 01, 2016 3:36 PM  

Like Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin), Jonah Goldberg is a (((crypto))). Wouldn't pass the Orthodox laws defining tribal membership, but identifies far more with the tribe than anyone else. His mother Lucianne Steinberger Goldberg is an Episcopalian but both Jonah and his older brother were raised Jewish. Episcopalians are no more Christian than Scientologists are. Steinberger, Lucianne's maiden name, is often a Jewish one, so her parents (or grandparents) were possibly conversos - often referred to by the Spanish as marranos for good very reason as a number have been destructive entryists who've authored of a number of heresies and apostasies in order to wreak havoc upon Christianity (surprise!) - including Vatican II's Nostra aetate which has thoroughly poisoned the well of the RCC, possibly even a lethal dose. So depending on how much talmudic taqqiyeh has been in play for generations on his mother's side, he might very well be a (((tribe member))) anyway. Episcopalianism has been a meaningless faux-religion for many decades running now, if not from its utterly corrupt foundation by a throughly reprobate English monarch.

Anonymous GreyS September 01, 2016 4:20 PM  

Doesn't really matter either way-- there doesn't seem to be much belief there. Bottom line is he is a (((think tank))) employee, bought and paid for, and he does their bidding at all times. All the insouciant wittiness is merely the schtick he uses as he punches the clock every day working for his masters.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 01, 2016 4:39 PM  

@21 Student in Blue
@20. Robert Divinity
While Trump and the Alt-Right are not the same,

Whoa there, hold on a minute!

Hillary Clinton herself told us that Trump is the leader of the Alt Right! She wouldn't lie about such things, now would she?
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I think she actually said it's Putin

Blogger Were-Puppy September 01, 2016 4:46 PM  

@38 Natalie

He shrieked and banned me almost at once.

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That's my favorite part of the story.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 01, 2016 4:58 PM  

@69 dreadilkzee

Right now Babu Omowale is calling for the formation of a "Black" nation. The Alt Right should be in support of that idea on the one hand and negotiate on where to give the land on the other.
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Liberia. Their land of opportunity awaits.

Anonymous tublecane September 01, 2016 5:04 PM  

@5-I used to read National Review, but only because my grandfather was a subscriber. I read a few Buckley books. I've seen Goldberg on tv and talk radio, sporadically. But even I barely knew of his existence before I picked up "Liberal Fascism," and that was because I liked the cover. After that, I only knew him as the author of that book. Couldn't tell you anything more.

The fact that he's all but irrelevant to me (I enjoyed "Liberal Fascism" at the time, but his understanding of fascism has been superseded in my brain by others') says all you need to hear about how much potential influence he has over potential alt-righters. They might never have heard of NR. The most he can do is get old folks and squishycons to plug their ears.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 01, 2016 5:22 PM  

@107 JAG
I meant to type "Jonah", but wrote "Johan" by mistake.
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Johan Sebastian Cuckberg

Blogger Were-Puppy September 01, 2016 5:28 PM  

JG has painted himself into a corner. He's hitched his wagon to the wrong side of the fight.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 01, 2016 5:40 PM  

@114

I think she actually said it's Putin


Wait, I thought she said it was David Duke? 'Cause Putin doesn't have a radio show.

Blogger Jim Horn September 01, 2016 6:04 PM  

Interesting that the John Birch Society outlived both Buckley and its own founder and will likely outlive me (a life member since my youth).

Blogger Jim Horn September 01, 2016 6:09 PM  

Interesting that the John Birch Society outlived both Buckley and its own founder and will likely outlive me (a life member since my youth).

Blogger Michael Maier September 01, 2016 6:11 PM  

The John Birch Society was a paranoid outfit dedicated to the theory that the U.S. government was controlled by communists.

Jonah HAS to be lying about this. He's too smart and too well-read to NOT know how thoroughly the Commies penetrated the US government.

Blogger Michael Maier September 01, 2016 6:13 PM  

And NATIONAL REVIEW jumped the shark a long time ago. They chucked all principles to support Jorge Bush's wars.

Their constant begging for money got old too. When NR went online they acted as though the costs were making them all paupers.

Blogger Thordaddy September 01, 2016 6:16 PM  

Sorry {{{Johah}}}, no self-avowed "white supremacists" in the alt-rite.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 01, 2016 6:54 PM  

@120 A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents
@114

I think she actually said it's Putin

Wait, I thought she said it was David Duke? 'Cause Putin doesn't have a radio show.
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She tried to cram everybody in the speech, but there was this line that I thought was hilarious:

"The godfather of this global brand of extreme nationalism is Russian President Vladimir Putin. "

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/293359-full-speech-hillary-clinton-attacks-alt-right-and

Blogger VFM #7191 September 01, 2016 8:38 PM  

LBD wrote:Jonah Goldberg is not Jewish.

Yes, he is. The echoes are primarily--almost exclusively--used to denote those who are ethnically Jewish. Goldberg is an ethnic Jew, hence the echoes.

Anonymous LastRedoubt September 01, 2016 8:54 PM  

@Michael Maier


Jonah HAS to be lying about this. He's too smart and too well-read to NOT know how thoroughly the Commies penetrated the US government.


SJW's aren't the only ones who lie to themselves, among others.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra September 01, 2016 9:32 PM  

Jonah plays his part and collect his check just like Cathy Young, Ben Sharpiro,etc., they play their roles and remain on the wrong side of history.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother September 01, 2016 9:48 PM  

Jonah knows. Just like Greenspan knows about gold. He was an Objectivist in the 50's. Jonah just likes his approval from the right people, a job, etc.

Blogger Thordaddy September 02, 2016 1:50 AM  

The {{{cucks}}} absolutely fear any and all discussion of a master race to the Master Race.

Blogger EscapeVelocity September 02, 2016 2:19 AM  

Not only were the Birchers right about Communists in Govt.

But purging the Birchers led to 50 years of Neo-Marxist advance on every front.

Christians were largely strung along with false promises while the Left stacked the courts and the cucks kept putting centrists like OConnor and Souter on the bench. It was the libertarian wing of teh Buckleyist Fusionism that was advanced, which aided Cultural Marxists against the Christian Social Conservatives while promoting Free Trade Globalism of libertarian policy.

BTW, that fraud Barry Goldwater helped purge the Birchers.

Side note: Brent Bozell is mentioned. Which most of you will know who that is.

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/goldwater-the-john-birch-society-and-me/

Blogger EscapeVelocity September 02, 2016 2:37 AM  

@ Winkleheimer

The Left is starting to praise Nixon like they do Teddy Roosevelt, already. Heard it many a time over the last 10 years or so.

Blogger Billy Ray September 02, 2016 2:43 AM  

Point 12: The Alt-Right doesn't care what you think of it. because they are all arrogant self centered know it all jerks - just ask one.. IOW LOFOs on the right that are just a stupid as the LOFOs on the left what;s the difference between an idiot SJW and an idiot alt right? not much

Blogger Michael Deloatch September 02, 2016 7:29 AM  

Many years ago when I was in the thrall of the new thing called the web and frequented NRO, I once drove an hour to hear JG speak in person near my home.

Hearing him in person wasn't exactly like watching The Firing Line. He was definitely phoning in the performance even though he seemed to be there physically by outward appearance. That day a seed was planted in my mind and at least one scale fell from my eye.

I hear this talk about the "alt right" and I think that's a fat-fingering on the keyboard. I think it's really one special key over -- it's all about CONTROL Right, not Alt Right.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 02, 2016 9:01 PM  

@134
"Billy Ray"
Point 12: The Alt-Right doesn't care what you think of it. because they are all arrogant self centered know it all jerks - just ask one

But at least we aren't being paid by Soros / Clinton to say so.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit September 03, 2016 2:18 AM  

Ahh... What an ultra-maroon.

Gamer-gate is altright.

You'd think someone who'd grown up with the progressive media's "See the wild conservative in his native habitat" reporting on him and his peers would recognize the same phenomenon being applied to others.

First the Tea Party, now the alt right.

They're an embarrassment.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 03, 2016 11:49 PM  

@1: You'd think that he'd be smart enough to realise that in trying to bring a stillborn ideology back from the dead, eventually he's going to be eaten by the zombies it creates.

Then again, as I understand how these things work, he may yet survive: the zombies' hunger for brains may actually save him.

Anonymous mono September 05, 2016 6:38 AM  

>The cuckservatives fear and hate the Alt-Right for one simple reason. We are not their friends. We are not their allies. We are their replacements.

The alt-right has the decisive advantage of being full mostly of 20-35 years old men, while cuckservatives are mostly 50-70 years old. Their kids are either cucks themselves or worse, leftists rebelling. "Conservatism"is an evolutionary dead end.

>They like to call us Nazis, well, to extend the Nazi analogy a bit further, conservatives are the Hindenburg party, in both senses of the term.

Daaaaaamn, fucking chills. 10/10

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