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Wednesday, September 21, 2016

The true Christian teaching on immigration

Contra the current churchian and papal perspectives, the traditional Christian teaching on immigration is that the common good of the nation must be considered first, not whatever happens to most benefit the potential immigrant. This analysis of St. Thomas Aquinas's work makes clear what was repeatedly demonstrated in Cuckservative, which is that what churchians are doing with regards to immigration is not Christian at all, but are the works of a false faith that is intrinsically anti-Christian.
Immigration is a modern problem and so some might think that the medieval Saint Thomas would have no opinion about the problem. And yet, he does. One has only to look in his masterpiece, the Summa Theologica, in the second part of the first part, question 105, article 3 (I-II, Q. 105, Art. 3). There one finds his analysis based on biblical insights that can add to the national debate. They are entirely applicable to the present.

Saint Thomas: “Man’s relations with foreigners are twofold: peaceful, and hostile: and in directing both kinds of relation the Law contained suitable precepts.”

Commentary: In making this affirmation, Saint Thomas affirms that not all immigrants are equal. Every nation has the right to decide which immigrants are beneficial, that is, “peaceful,” to the common good. As a matter of self-defense, the State can reject those criminal elements, traitors, enemies and others who it deems harmful or “hostile” to its citizens.

The second thing he affirms is that the manner of dealing with immigration is determined by law in the cases of both beneficial and “hostile” immigration. The State has the right and duty to apply its law.

Saint Thomas: “For the Jews were offered three opportunities of peaceful relations with foreigners. First, when foreigners passed through their land as travelers. Secondly, when they came to dwell in their land as newcomers. And in both these respects the Law made kind provision in its precepts: for it is written (Exodus 22:21): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [advenam]’; and again (Exodus 22:9): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [peregrino].’”

Commentary: Here Saint Thomas acknowledges the fact that others will want to come to visit or even stay in the land for some time. Such foreigners deserved to be treated with charity, respect and courtesy, which is due to any human of good will. In these cases, the law can and should protect foreigners from being badly treated or molested.

Saint Thomas: “Thirdly, when any foreigners wished to be admitted entirely to their fellowship and mode of worship. With regard to these a certain order was observed. For they were not at once admitted to citizenship: just as it was law with some nations that no one was deemed a citizen except after two or three generations, as the Philosopher says (Polit. iii, 1).”

Commentary: Saint Thomas recognizes that there will be those who will want to stay and become citizens of the lands they visit. However, he sets as the first condition for acceptance a desire to integrate fully into what would today be considered the culture and life of the nation.

A second condition is that the granting of citizenship would not be immediate. The integration process takes time. People need to adapt themselves to the nation. He quotes the philosopher Aristotle as saying this process was once deemed to take two or three generations. Saint Thomas himself does not give a timeframe for this integration, but he does admit that it can take a long time.

Saint Thomas: “The reason for this was that if foreigners were allowed to meddle with the affairs of a nation as soon as they settled down in its midst, many dangers might occur, since the foreigners not yet having the common good firmly at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people.”

Commentary: The common sense of Saint Thomas is certainly not politically correct but it is logical. The theologian notes that living in a nation is a complex thing. It takes time to know the issues affecting the nation. Those familiar with the long history of their nation are in the best position to make the long-term decisions about its future. It is harmful and unjust to put the future of a place in the hands of those recently arrived, who, although through no fault of their own, have little idea of what is happening or has happened in the nation. Such a policy could lead to the destruction of the nation.

As an illustration of this point, Saint Thomas later notes that the Jewish people did not treat all nations equally since those nations closer to them were more quickly integrated into the population than those who were not as close. Some hostile peoples were not to be admitted at all into full fellowship due to their enmity toward the Jewish people.

These are some of the thoughts of Saint Thomas Aquinas on the matter of immigration based on biblical principles. It is clear that immigration must have two things in mind: the first is the nation’s unity; and the second is the common good.

Immigration should have as its goal integration, not disintegration or segregation. The immigrant should not only desire to assume the benefits but the responsibilities of joining into the full fellowship of the nation. By becoming a citizen, a person becomes part of a broad family over the long term and not a shareholder in a joint stock company seeking only short-term self-interest.

Secondly, Saint Thomas teaches that immigration must have in mind the common good; it cannot destroy or overwhelm a nation.

This explains why so many Americans experience uneasiness caused by massive and disproportional immigration. Such policy artificially introduces a situation that destroys common points of unity and overwhelms the ability of a society to absorb new elements organically into a unified culture. The common good is no longer considered.

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69 Comments:

Anonymous Crusader Corim September 21, 2016 7:16 AM  

He's actually also in line with the Torah, which shows that friendly nations are allowed to enter the congregation after three generations, but unfriendly nations not until the tenth.

(Deuteronomy 23)

Blogger Dexter September 21, 2016 7:19 AM  

This Saint Thomas guy sure sounds rayciss.

Blogger Hector Henry September 21, 2016 7:21 AM  

Yes. Being Christian does not mean stabbing your own countrymen in the back.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum September 21, 2016 7:25 AM  

I wish members of the USCCB would read St. Thomas Aquinas today...

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 21, 2016 7:46 AM  

Thankfully, there is a test for this.
If the foreigner floats, then he's made of wood...

Blogger #7139 September 21, 2016 8:03 AM  

I wish members of the USCCB would read St. Thomas Aquinas today...

The USCCB would blow smoke and explain it away, crying out RACISS.

Anonymous johnc September 21, 2016 8:05 AM  

Every proposed policy has to be tested against the standard of the common good.

Immigration today is pretty much a slam dunk question, especially considering our poor economic situation. But hell, proponents aren't even willing to entertain the idea of vetting immigrants to make sure they're not hostile to us: they have no respect for the common good. They should be hung for treason.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2016 8:06 AM  

"immigration is a modern problem"

/facepalm

No. it is not.

Anonymous Philipp September 21, 2016 8:09 AM  

This sounds almost too reasonable. But as others pointed out, it would probably called racist and xenophobic.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2016 8:10 AM  

"The USCCB would blow smoke and explain it away, crying out RACISS."

more likely they simply would not understand it at all.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 21, 2016 8:25 AM  

churchianity: Give away your progeny's birthright to foreigners, including all types of capital built up over generations by your neighbors' ancestors such as material wealth and societal trust.

churchianity: Rob your neighbor via the state to enforce your perverted idea of egalitarian morality.

churchianity: Allow foreigners to rape, steal and kill, then place the blame on your neighbors.

churchianity: Undermine the lives of your neighbors by forcing others arbitrarily designated as such onto society, all for the sake of your virtue-signaling.

The churchians perverted interpretation of Scripture is moral rot and diabolic influence all rolled into one. They subvert every part of Christ's teachings in pursuit of their entropic totalitarian agenda.

I can't begin to express how much I hate these people... yes, good old-fashioned hate, the sword with which a people defends those whom they love.

Blogger Phillip George September 21, 2016 8:26 AM  

The good Samaritan out-sourced his secondary care to third party health care providers.
As a first responder he assessed
1. Danger to his immediate person
2. Rendered what first aid was available to him at point of care
3. Organized extrication to secondary care, centre of excellence.
4. Gave ongoing fiscally responsible commitment to a single individual based on reasoned actuarial assessments he had already undertaken
5. Continued on with his prime directive mission to build his dominion

The good Samaritan was a sound Nationalist with pragmatic achievable goals within his foreign aid budget.

Anonymous George of the Jungle September 21, 2016 8:31 AM  

@11...
The fruits of churchianity..

Anonymous mature craig September 21, 2016 8:34 AM  

The country can only carry so big of a load..we do nobody any good if we drop dead and collapse from too heavy of a weight

Anonymous mature craig September 21, 2016 8:38 AM  

Re 834 ..reminds me of a scene from scary movie ..waking up dead....i guess we would have to collapse first and then drop dead...we wouldnt be able to drop dead and then collapse

Blogger Phillip George September 21, 2016 8:38 AM  

Like Trump, even two thousand years after the event, as the expert he was in deal making, fiscal management, international relations, self publicity stunts, seizing opportunities......

Now I'm not saying the good Samaritan did it as a publicity stunt - but hey, his stocks went up, "the art of the Samaritan deal" went to number two in the scroll market, he got referrals from unexpected sources, he had free publicity from one non republican publican even after shekels lost all value. The good Samaritan was a shrewd traveler in otherwise tough times.

Blogger J A Baker September 21, 2016 8:40 AM  

This is all wise advise that every nation should heed, but it's not politically correct, so I guess pc trumps wisdom and common sense these days.

There should be welcoming committees that work to help new immigrants become and stay connected to the larger communities as whole, rather than being admitted and then disappearing into closed off neighborhoods.

These committees could assign people to constantly call and go visit these new immigrants inviting them out to do things in their communities, such as a memorial day picnic, a veteran's day parade, or a fourth of July fireworks show, or even a Christmas Tree lighting in the town square.

Blogger Thomas Davidsmeier September 21, 2016 8:45 AM  

I had completely forgotten about the Old Testament descriptions of how foreigners were to be integrated into Israel! Wahahahaha! This is so much better than the argument in Cuckservative. God did not allow any foreigners to become part of Israel unless they converted to Judaism! Take that stupid unlimited Muslim immigration morons who call yourselves Christians!

You could even make a decent argument that the Gentile believers that were first brought into the early Church as described in Acts were also immigrants of sorts. And, the early Church put assimilation restrictions on them as well, though they were generous in the restrictions, there were still restrictions.

"Churchianity" seems a lot like the crispy Bishop from Victoria's beliefs.

Anonymous mature craig September 21, 2016 8:46 AM  

Actually maybe we could drop deadvand then collapse like dead weight

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 21, 2016 8:50 AM  

Reads like written by an adult man instead of the harpy one upping virtue signaling from the womanish cucks.

Blogger Phillip George September 21, 2016 8:51 AM  

Thomas it get more basic than that.
Every child is a heathen who has to be trained to become a member of society.
ie. Christendom.
Children aren't automatically fit to leave the house. Look at your average bat shit crazy 13 year old.

13 year olds are like heathen foreigners. Not fit for polite society. So work on it.
It 100 percent starts at home, extends to the nation, defines the borders and foreign relations

the separation of church and state is killing you. No doubt about it. It was the biggest, deadliest of lies, since Eden.

Blogger JWM September 21, 2016 9:05 AM  

Obama, Merkel have made a deliberate point of importing vast numbers of muslims, especially Black African muslims into their nations. These foreigners cannot be assimilated. Ever. They are, by virtue of their race and faith, openly hostile to the native cultures. This is not charity, it is treason.

JWM

Blogger buwaya puti September 21, 2016 9:10 AM  

Note:
There ARE "friendly nations". Some peoples are easily assimilable and some aren't, and of course they should indeed be assimilated. These excellent and necessary points have been opposed in policy and their opposite has become the prevailing standard. This rejection of common sense, by powerful elements of the liberal consensus, seems to have led to an equal and opposite rejection of common sense, at least among some people.
So, rage against your enemies, but consider who they are before you go raging. Joe immigrant rarely is an actual enemy, he is simply what he is, good or bad, troublesome or useful. He didn't make these decisions. Your real enemies are the people, rarely immigrants, who make policy or create the cultural context for that policy. In other words, native white people, and you know who they are. Your worst real enemies are your own people in the opposing faction.
Those are the white people who, for instance, as a very minor but telling example, want to rename San Francisco's George Washington High School, because George Washington is somehow "irrelevant" to the mainly Asian students there. The Asian students of George Washington HS do not agree.
It is this sort of thing, far greater in scale of course, but rooted in the same worldview and coming from the same white leftist milieu that has caused most of these problems.
Best to be fully informed.

Anonymous mature craig September 21, 2016 9:12 AM  

but im optimistic that USA will hang in there.i honestly dont see it going down any time soon

Blogger buwaya puti September 21, 2016 9:15 AM  

Merkel is a case in point.
If she wanted to import more "Germans", the rational way to go about it would have been to set up a competitive quota system for people with talent. They could have had their pick of global talent, of the well behaved and assimilable. They would have had no trouble at all if these had been a typical mix of Filipinos. They would all be busy learning German and attending those empty German churches.

Blogger tz September 21, 2016 9:20 AM  

The USCCB was headed by Cardinal Dearden 50 years ago who said it should be more like GM. His prayer was answered:

It made a shoddy and unsafe product.
It hated its customers, vendors, and employees.
It went bankrupt and needed a bailout.

Blogger Brian H September 21, 2016 9:45 AM  

I brought this issue up with the men in my bible study group via email discussion recently and got exactly one response. And that one response revealed - other than that everyone else was clueless on the topic - that there's another type of Christian almost as troubling: the christian political agnostic.

Basically his response was that God can punish a nation by overrunning it with foreign hordes, and there's nothing that could be done about it, and he figures as long as he and his family live according to God's design he doesn't need to worry about what goes on around him.

But there's something said of being a good steward of God's blessing, and of a Christian's responsibility of looking out for the future state of his family. Is God's blessing manifested in helping you be a good and wise steward, or just giving you blessing absent any input?

I suspect that when those foreign hordes show up at his front step, he won't be take such a disinterested stance. He'll be thinking "why in hell did I let it get this bad?"

Anonymous mature craig September 21, 2016 9:46 AM  

Ya know one day people should get together and form a country where there is no govt debt and companies and everyone operates on the plus side...oh wait Israel already thought of that and they do that

Anonymous ZhukovG September 21, 2016 9:49 AM  

The Thomist view of immigration sounds like a good Alt-West position to take. I would also add a hard ceiling on the number of Non-White citizens...say 10%, to include the African-Americans currently enfranchised.

Obviously, this means the door is shut until we get below the 10% ceiling.

Blogger Dexter September 21, 2016 9:51 AM  

Here's the nauseating USCCB view:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/migrants-refugees-and-travelers/quotes-rights-migrants-refugees.cfm

"The new immigrants call most of us back to our ancestral heritage as descendants of immigrants" <- so ya see "nation of immigrants" is an official Church teaching, so it must be in the Bible somewhere

"The presence of brothers and sisters from different cultures should be celebrated as a gift to the Church." <- a gift to shoppers in St Cloud, not so much

The Catholic community is rapidly re-encountering itself as an "immigrant Church," <- we are Good Leftists, yay!

Racist attitudes can linger in subtle ways, even when people get to know one another in parish activities, unless we vigorously educate ourselves about our neighbors, learn to appreciate their heritages, encounter their own images of us, and strive to work with them on behalf of common causes. <- racism is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, right?

Every human being has the right to freedom of movement and of residence within the confines of his own state. When there are just reasons in favor for it, he must be permitted to migrate to other countries and to take up residence there. <- but there is NO reason to favor permitting Muslims to migrate to the West

All people have a right to life and to secure the basic necessities of life (e.g., food, clothing, shelter, education, health care, safe environment, economic security). <- My wallet feels lighter already...

Blogger buwaya puti September 21, 2016 9:53 AM  

To add, if Merkel had ordered up a million Filipinos instead of a million Muslims, not only would there have been no rapes and sexual assaults, and not only would they be particularly devout Christians, happy to learn German, being talented linguists and quick studies, and of course of significant economic utility out of the box, but they would also be happily drinking the beer, seeing as they have grown up on German style beer.
Brass bands and Schlager are right up their alley too.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 21, 2016 10:03 AM  

@buwaya puti, but Philippinos already have a very nice country and a President that is going to 'Make the Philippines Great Again'.

You don't need to go to Germany.

OpenID boardroomal September 21, 2016 10:07 AM  

Here's the Deal,

The USCCB is not a Magesterial Body recognized by the Catholic Church and thus has no "Authority" in any way. This is what makes the Catholic Church so awesome. One can simply tell someone who references the USCCB that, "I do not recognize their authority as that is not an official body of the Catholic Church". Because the Church "Triple-Ties Its Knots"...its structures, like Jesus said, "Bind and Loose". If they want to be an official teaching body of the Church they would have to appeal to Rome for official recognition.

Once that happens, the Orthodox Catholics would come out of the wood work, saying, "Go ahead....I dare you....go ahead" This is why the most seasoned SJW sabateurs live in the Catholic Church...they cannot make their changes head on, because they are bound, and though there are a great many worldly heretics in the Church, one can always dismiss as "Anathema" because the doctrines remain. Just Vox's reference on Aquinas, the Supreme Mortal Doctor of the Church, carries ridiculous weight.

We have the existing tools in the Catholic Church to defeat SJW's...there are good Bishops and Priests who do not agree with suicidal immigration policies and the USCCB is a political body that does not speak for the Church or the Bishops...(Sure its implied but for the record,....sorry Charlie) The rule is a Bishop has Authority over his diocese and no other Bishop, save the Bishop of Rome can usurp publicly.

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda September 21, 2016 10:10 AM  

This is from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY ARE ABLE

(Note, it does not say as the clerics or prelates demand in fits of monomania)


to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

If nations and their citizens were allowed to make the prudential decision about capacity, and the foreign invaders were observing the responsibilities of "civic burdens" instead of agitating for Sharia, joining La Raza, joining MS13 and filling our federal prisons, immigration would not be a problem.

Blogger Escoffier September 21, 2016 10:23 AM  

I think as a rule of thumb it can be assumed that following God's will will not lead to rape and slaughter.

Blogger Escoffier September 21, 2016 10:25 AM  

Nate wrote:"The USCCB would blow smoke and explain it away, crying out RACISS."

more likely they simply would not understand it at all.


Well, it is hard to get a man to understand that which he is paid to NOT understand.

Blogger buwaya puti September 21, 2016 10:26 AM  

Every country and every people has its faults as well as virtues. The gravest Filipino faults are a lack of initiative and submission to consensus. This leads to a chronic leadership vacuum and a reluctance to take personal risks.
Its interesting to see how these defects are filled in a different cultural context, among Filipino overseas workers and immigrants.
Germans have always done extremely well in the Philippines, and were very popular.
There is a whole field of study, waiting for scholarship, on how national cultures and characters interact. I am convinced there are good mixes and bad ones.

Blogger Nate September 21, 2016 10:29 AM  

' This is what makes the Catholic Church so awesome.'

That's actually a similar problem we have in the Methodist Church. there are these liberal committees or councils that are formed by proggy types that put "united methodist" in their name... so when they make proggy statements or announcements... it sounds like its coming from the actual United Methodist Church. But it isn't. These committees and councils have no power.

it would be like us calling ourselves the US Congressional Liaison Board and announcing that "Immigration was suspended indefinitely."

It sounds authoritative but it doesn't mean anything.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 21, 2016 10:30 AM  

Just a thought; I am a Roman Catholic. I am also a Nationalist.

Given, that it can be argued that Roman Catholics are citizens of a foreign power, should Roman Catholics be permitted to vote in American elections? My Nationalism says, Hell no.

Blogger professorastro September 21, 2016 10:31 AM  

It's come full circle. Beck spent 2 hours discussing how Trump has corrupted Christianity.

Anonymous BGKB September 21, 2016 10:36 AM  

’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [advenam]’; and again (Exodus 22:9): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [peregrino].’”

So did Graham Spanier and Sandusky know the boys?

but im optimistic that USA will hang in there.i honestly dont see it going down any time soon

When it does go down it will be like Obama at a Chicago Bathhouse.

no govt debt and companies and everyone operates on the plus side...oh wait Israel

Easy to have no govt debt when you get $8billion a year from the US taxpayer, and occasionally get $38billion presents from them as well.

Blogger Escoffier September 21, 2016 10:39 AM  

buwaya puti wrote:To add, if Merkel had ordered up a million Filipinos instead of a million Muslims, not only would there have been no rapes and sexual assaults, and not only would they be particularly devout Christians, happy to learn German, being talented linguists and quick studies, and of course of significant economic utility out of the box, but they would also be happily drinking the beer, seeing as they have grown up on German style beer.

Brass bands and Schlager are right up their alley too.


I don't disagree with one word you've written Buwayu but, and here's the rub, it turns out Filipinos ain't Germans. They may very well be lovely people, Christians, and with the ability to shell walnuts with their teeth, but no matter their many virtues they still remain not German.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Diversity + Proximity = War

Not because Filipinos are evil or bad, just not Germans.

Related: I think it's worth noting the Leftist Progressive project always causes native birthrates to crash 'necessitating' the importation of foreigners to 'fix the system.' Perhaps what's needed is to remove Leftism and allow Germans to stabilize their birthrates wherever they would like them to be?

Also, I am deeply suspicious of that very notion that foreigners are ever 'needed.' If you dig deep enough it is always governments and businesses looking to increase profits at the expense of their people.

Blogger praetorian September 21, 2016 10:44 AM  

more likely they simply would not understand it at all.

With my church, do not attribute to stupidity that which can be adequately explained by cowardice.

Blogger VD September 21, 2016 10:46 AM  

To add, if Merkel had ordered up a million Filipinos instead of a million Muslims, not only would there have been no rapes and sexual assaults, and not only would they be particularly devout Christians, happy to learn German, being talented linguists and quick studies, and of course of significant economic utility out of the box, but they would also be happily drinking the beer, seeing as they have grown up on German style beer.

Fix your own country, Buwaya. The USA isn't yours. Neither is Germany. And permitting other nations to talent skim the prettiest and smartest you've got is not a recipe for national success.

Blogger Escoffier September 21, 2016 10:46 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:Just a thought; I am a Roman Catholic. I am also a Nationalist.

Given, that it can be argued that Roman Catholics are citizens of a foreign power, should Roman Catholics be permitted to vote in American elections? My Nationalism says, Hell no.


The Bible tells us also to be good citizens so long as that doesn't interfere with serving God.

OpenID boardroomal September 21, 2016 10:47 AM  

@11

I would argue that the real reason the west is in decline is because of

1. Churchians - The neocon version of Christianity....whatever the heretics want to destroy next is the new dogma...I'm irritated by it because I'm a weakling and my orthodox brothers are going to challenge me and that makes me mad
2. Heterdox - The inventors in the church that labor intensively to redefine extremely well defined dogma or teachings from the master things like when Jesus said, "I tell you

OpenID boardroomal September 21, 2016 10:51 AM  

sorry to continue
2. Heterdox - The inventors in the church that labor intensively to redefine extremely well defined dogma or teachings from the master things like when Jesus said, "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”....a Heterodox begins with what "Jesus Really Meant is that relationships are important...and Gay..blah blah blah - Crypto-Sabateurs & SJWs
3. Heretics - Self Explantatory - Open Sabateurs

This is why I would argue that in the Catholic Church especially...it is important to stay and fight...

Blogger buwaya puti September 21, 2016 10:56 AM  

Whether or not Germany "needs" foreigners is an open question. That it chose the "wrong" foreigners is not an open question, it is obviously true that Merkel went about it in the worst possible way. Mine was a comment on VDs post, on the matter of friendly and hostile nations.
As a matter of record, Germany has in fact integrated foreigners into the polity quite seamlessly. There is a considerable proportion of people with Slavic ancestry in Germany, for instance, leftovers of the movements vack and forth of state borders over the demographic lines, in Pomerania and Silesia. Those Prussian Junkers ruled over lots of Polish peasants. Historically there was a considerable movement of French Huguenots into Germany (Prussia) also. This 17th movement of Huguenots is actually the most relevant precedent to the current crisis and it has been cited in the German press. The authorities were eager to get them in order to repopulate after the disaster of the 30-years war. They subsequently were quite prominent in Prussia. Of course, the Huguenots were culturally compatible (especially in religion).

Anonymous Eric the Red September 21, 2016 11:01 AM  

buwaya puti..

Filipinos take risks when they go overseas to get work. I'm especially impressed by those working in moslem countries... too many stories of rape and virtual slavery by the mohammedans of their filipina maids.

(BTW, 'buwaya puti' is what? Tagalog? Ilocano? Cebuano?..thx)

Anonymous Pennywise September 21, 2016 11:19 AM  

Saint Thomas: “Man’s relations with foreigners are twofold: peaceful, and hostile: and in directing both kinds of relation the Law contained suitable precepts.”

While the State has the liberty to reject immigrants deemed criminal or treasonous, the issue is the criteria developed and employed in that process. That is, Christians are questioning how a person arrives at the decision that one group of immigrants compared to another group of immigrants is other than peaceful.

Saint Thomas: “For the Jews were offered three opportunities of peaceful relations with foreigners. First, when foreigners passed through their land as travelers. Secondly, when they came to dwell in their land as newcomers. And in both these respects the Law made kind provision in its precepts: for it is written (Exodus 22:21): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [advenam]’; and again (Exodus 22:9): ’Thou shalt not molest a stranger [peregrino].’”

Indeed, the State is able to pass laws that protect ALL foreigners from being mistreated by citizens. This legislation includes non-whites and non-Christians.

Saint Thomas: “Thirdly, when any foreigners wished to be admitted entirely to their fellowship and mode of worship. With regard to these a certain order was observed. For they were not at once admitted to citizenship: just as it was law with some nations that no one was deemed a citizen except after two or three generations, as the Philosopher says (Polit. iii, 1).”

Citizens define what are the standards that constitutes an immigrant who is integrated into society.

Saint Thomas: “The reason for this was that if foreigners were allowed to meddle with the affairs of a nation as soon as they settled down in its midst, many dangers might occur, since the foreigners not yet having the common good firmly at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people.”

The protection against this “meddling”, however one defines it, is that immigrants who arrive to the United States do not have the same rights and privileges as citizens. Moreover, immigrants have the intellectual capacity to learn about the nature of their host country and are capable of understanding and embracing its political institutions and cultural norms.

Saint Thomas: “Nevertheless it was possible by dispensation for a man to be admitted to citizenship on account of some act of virtue: thus it is related (Judith 14:6) that Achior, the captain of the children of Ammon, ‘was joined to the people of Israel, with all the succession of his kindred.’”

Recall that Israelites concerned themselves about outsiders by remembering they had once been mistreated as foreigners in Egypt (Exodus 23:9; Leviticus 19:33, 34). Similarly, the ancestors of the groups deemed “hostile” by nativists—the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Assyrians—have generally blended in and remember how their relatives had been treated. Israelites, like Americans, love the sojourner, as God proclaimed (Deuteronomy 10:17-19).

One also finds stories of assimilation of these sojourners into their host cultures. Joseph was given an Egyptian name, married an Egyptian, and had children by her, but gave his two sons Israelite names (Genesis 41). He was “Egyptianized” to the point that his brothers failed to recognize him, but Joseph still understood and spoke his mother tongue (Genesis 42). This situation is no different to yesterday’s and today’s Americans, who are first and foremost beholden to their nation—the United States—while maintaining a sense of their heritage. That is a natural process.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 21, 2016 11:28 AM  

@45 Pennywise..
'Similarly, the ancestors of the groups deemed “hostile” by nativists—the Irish, the Chinese, the Italians, the Assyrians—have generally blended in and remember how their relatives had been treated. Israelites, like Americans, love the sojourner, as God proclaimed (Deuteronomy 10:17-19).'

Your historical revisionism, your inaccurate portrayal of current reality, and your words are full of deception.

Blogger buwaya puti September 21, 2016 11:33 AM  

Buwaya = crocodile, Puti = white
These are the same or very similar in most Philippine languages, but I speak Tagalog.

Anonymous crushlimbraw September 21, 2016 11:58 AM  

As Brian H commented - there is the Christian political agnostic - a good term to keep in mind in my future comments.
I have encountered that countless times. In fact, I would say that is a fundamental problem in American churchianity - the utter lack of understanding basic common sense cause and effect as well as poor theological foundation.
I was asked to leave a men's bible study for asking too many questions.
The self seeking pietism is nothing more than mysticism cloaked in Christian language.
Even though Jesus told us to make disciples of all nations - not import all of them - we send our children to public schools to be discipled by servants of Babel and we act like potted plants waiting for Christ to save our sorry asses!
It is that specific reason I finally started my website last year to counter the culture we now live in.

Blogger bob k. mando ( the hardest troll here ) September 21, 2016 11:58 AM  

35. professorastro September 21, 2016 10:31 AM
It's come full circle. Beck spent 2 hours discussing how Trump has corrupted Christianity.



a Mormon ... complaining that an agnosticish Presbyterian has corrupted the faith?


hooooo-kay.

Anonymous Crank September 21, 2016 12:01 PM  

Obviously, the really "Christian" thing to do is bring over as many muslim refugees as possible, and then have everybody here convert to Islam so that the refugees feel more at home in their new country. It would be horribly impolite to invite them over here and then offend them by holding contrary religious views.

Blogger Assyrian Nationalist September 21, 2016 1:16 PM  

A question for my Christian brothers regarding a Biblical passage:

Isaiah 19:23-25:

23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt and the Egyptians into Assyria, and the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians.

24 In that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, 25 whom the Lord of hosts has blessed, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”


Am I correct in interpreting this to mean that my people will have a nation once more in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled?

Blogger Jed Mask September 21, 2016 1:53 PM  

@Assyrian Nationalist

KJV Isaiah 19:23-25,

23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.
_________________

"Am I correct in interpreting this to mean that my people will have a nation once more in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled?"

I believe so! No telling how God will work it out but in all honesty that appears to be what the Scripture is saying.

The nation "Syria" (AKA "Assyria") will have a comeback and be in a "triad" grouping of 1. Egypt, 2. Syria and 3. Israel being the stabilizers of the Middle Eastern region at the time.

... Wow, only God knows how He'll put it together as time transpires. We have to have *FAITH* in the meantime though. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Anonymous Deplorable S E Delenda September 21, 2016 2:00 PM  

Just a thought; I am a Roman Catholic. I am also a Nationalist.

Given, that it can be argued that Roman Catholics are citizens of a foreign power, should Roman Catholics be permitted to vote in American elections? My Nationalism says, Hell no.

Only an idiot would argue that, Catholics don't claim the VAtican as their state and the Vatican doesn't claim all Catholics as citizens. I can be taxed, regulated, incarcerated and conscripted by the United States of America, but not the Vatican. I don't believe for a minute you are Catholic, Mr. Chick.

Blogger Brian H September 21, 2016 2:09 PM  

crush limbraw -

crushlimbraw wrote:we act like potted plants waiting for Christ to save our sorry asses!

Well put.

Blogger Daniel September 21, 2016 2:26 PM  

Happening in Argentina too

Blogger Daniel September 21, 2016 4:37 PM  

Anyway not allvforeign people are the same. Many japanese in Argentina. Fully integrated in the second generation. Muslims and africans blacks must be recognized as specially troublesome

Blogger SirHamster September 21, 2016 5:07 PM  

Brian H wrote:Basically his response was that God can punish a nation by overrunning it with foreign hordes, and there's nothing that could be done about it, and he figures as long as he and his family live according to God's design he doesn't need to worry about what goes on around him.

But there's something said of being a good steward of God's blessing, and of a Christian's responsibility of looking out for the future state of his family. Is God's blessing manifested in helping you be a good and wise steward, or just giving you blessing absent any input?


Note that in Judges, those foreign hordes were kicked out by men obeying God and getting their hands dirty.

Repentance is not for everyone else. It starts with us, and we die as seeds to bring in a harvest of fruit. That is a duty we owe to our nations, or our host nations for those of us who do not natively belong.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 21, 2016 5:09 PM  

buwaya puti wrote:Merkel is a case in point.

If she wanted to import more "Germans", the rational way to go about it would have been to set up a competitive quota system for people with talent. They could have had their pick of global talent, of the well behaved and assimilable. They would have had no trouble at all if these had been a typical mix of Filipinos. They would all be busy learning German and attending those empty German churches.


If Merkel had wanted to import decent, hard-working, honest, Christian, intelligent brown people eager to assimilate, she would not have invited Arabs and Africans.

Blogger rcocean September 21, 2016 8:25 PM  

Why do we have to re-invent the wheel? Does anyone think the USA cica 2016 is more Christian than the USA of 1924? Yet, almost no American Christians in 1924 thought the Bible commanded we have open borders.

Blogger rcocean September 21, 2016 8:26 PM  

The Bible doesn't say a word against Slavery, yet we're supposed to believe we're to turn over the country to refugees and foreigners. Crazy.

Blogger Tom Kratman September 21, 2016 8:27 PM  

Assyrian:

Don't know if you're in or even personally from Assyria, or have ever visited it. I have run a few towns in the area. Wonderful people, really, the best, most reliable, most trustworthy I ever worked with in the middle east. And hearing mass in Aramaic in the Assyrian town of Mangesh, Iraq remains a cherished memory.

However, the area that was Assyria is pretty much gone, mostly overrun by the fucking murdering, raping Kurds. Assyrians are not just a minority in Assyria, they're a demilitarized minority with no particular degree of self confidence such as would give them even a half-assed chance of creating their own homeland.

If God helps those who help themselves, then Assyrians would have to rediscover their impale-the-bastards; it'll-teach-'em-a-lesson roots. I don't have a lot of hope.

Blogger Terrekain September 22, 2016 12:18 AM  

It's been known to happen; men who lose their wives, their children, even themselves to cults of various guises, led by people who know how to stab the psychological vulnerabilities of their victims, atomizing the family unit and forming a centralized idols of worship in the palm of their hands.

You shirked your duty as head of your family - and it cost you your wife's soul and possibly your own. As you are a hostage to your wife, you're their drone.

You must let her go.

She's already gone.

Once you've overcome this psychological barrier/dependency, you can get to work with the hope of getting her back.

Find a Divorce lawyer. Prepare and review your finances, assets, personal history, liabilities, etc, everything your lawyer might conceivably ask for before meeting him. Lawyers are patient, but the good ones interview people for the privilege of being their clients. Nobody wants to deal with burdensome and unserious idiots. Be honest, don't embellish. The purpose is for you to get advice on where you stand with local laws, develop options, plan contingencies if things go south.

This will supply the information, the leverage, and a source of confidence you'll need to reclaim your wife - if it's possible to reclaim her at all.

Hire a private investigator when the time comes. Your lawyer will tell you how to do this discreetly within the confines of the law. Do not, under any circumstances, inform your wife or act unusually around her, or let her find your electronic trails and research. Don't be cheap either, this is money well spent.

Until your wife has killed that hipster and strangled the NFL player, she's on the other side (I'm only half joking). If you screw up by giving into weakness, you'll have lost your last chance to get her back.

Don't overthink it. Do it. Go get that lawyer. Get your ducks in a row. Action will impel you to ask more questions, gather more information, putting you on track to getting your family back, your life back.

When you're armed and ready, you will have the confidence to confront the pastor, his cult, and your captive woman.

Drive the wedge between them in every facet of her life.

Her life?

It belongs to you.

Her friends?

If they are not your friends, they're not her's. Make her choose.

Her Church?

Where in the Bible is the Priest the head of your family?

Her home?

She doesn't have one. It's your House.

Her Bed?

Same. She belongs in it.

Divorce is the nuclear weapon in your arsenal, implied but never spoken of, until you know for sure. The first line of defense and the last. Don't say it unless you mean it. Once said, it's done.

If the woman chooses the cult over you - well, now you know, and you've done everything you can as a man.

Begin divorce proceedings immediately, and do not back down even if she pretends to submit. Broken faith is irrecoverable; divorce is just the formality. Do not accept marriage counseling. If you have children, they will suffer the most when these things are allowed to fester. Find someone else with a clean conscience and a new appreciation for what it means to be a husband and a wife, someone worthy of the rest of your life.

You did it right, and you still lost - that's life.

But this is an unlikely outcome.

If she's salvageable, if you go to war to preserve the peace - if you steel your resolve and identify what you want (rather than what you think she wants) - you'll definitely get her back. I know of only one instance where this last-ditch effort succeeded, and the reason why that's the case is because I've only seen it tried once. The truth is that people in your position are too long gone and too demoralized to actually go through with it. They procrastinate. They make excuses. They grasp at false hopes.

Fight. Get your life on track one way or another, and give your wife the chance to come back to you.

Good Luck.

And God Bless.

Anonymous Emmanuel September 22, 2016 12:54 AM  

No classic political philosopher (from Socrates to Thomas Aquinus, more or less) has ever been would we all now "globalist". They considered the nature of the political things as starting with generation (so, family and "tribe"), before developing in "polis" or "nation". All speeches about human kind in general, idea of equality in human nature is there ; but they are just considered irrelevant politically speaking. The natural law is the same for everyone (so in a way, we are all on the same boat : this is the meaning of the stoician "cosmopolis"), but the human laws are necessarily different in origin, and this diversity is perceived as good. No ancient or medieval philosopher ever praised for a "global state" to rise.
There was a debate in the Salamanca' school about the question of "freedom of travelling". De Soto, in "En causa de los pobres", considers it a "right", or better said, as a matter that scouldn't be forbiden by any human law. But the freedom to enter a nation or a city is never understood as a "right" to stay : the common good of this nation is a priority, and therefore, a dangerous alien, a troublemaker, etc schould not be staying, but evacuated.

Blogger Brian H September 22, 2016 7:42 AM  

SirHamster wrote:Note that in Judges, those foreign hordes were kicked out by men obeying God and getting their hands dirty.

Exactly. I even pointed out how national sovereignty is hiding (er, not hiding) in plain sight all through the OT. But I've NEVER heard a sermon that touched on this topic, or rather the broader topic of "what is God's design for a nation?"

Thinking about it, one could get the idea that the average pastor thinks that, aside from church body of believers, we're all to act as atomized individuals without much regard for our families. I don't see much of a case for that in scripture.

PS. I also brought this up to my pastor in an email after a particular sermon a few weeks ago. He said "There is a lot here to digest, I'll have to get back to you". Still waiting. Probably time to start shopping around.

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