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Friday, September 02, 2016

When the lies fail

It appears (((Ben Shapiro))) has given up on his mythical propositional "America":
We're watching the end of America in real time.

That doesn't mean that the country's on the verge of actual implosion. But the idea of America required a common definition of being American: a love of country on the basis of its founding philosophy. That has now been undermined by the left.

Love of country doesn't mean that you have to love everything about America, or that you can't criticize America. But loving America means understanding that the country was founded on a unique basis -a uniquely good basis. That's what the flag stands for. Not ethnic superiority or racial solidarity or police brutality but the notion of individual liberty and equal rights before God. But with the destruction of that central principle, the ties that bind us together are fraying. And the left loves that.

In fact, the two defining philosophical iterations of the modern left both make war with the ties that bind us together. In President Obama's landmark second inaugural address, he openly said, "Being true to our founding documents...does not mean we all define liberty in exactly the same way." This is the kind of definition worshipped by Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has single-handedly redefined the Constitution. He said, "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life."

But this means that liberty has no real definition outside of "stuff I want to do." And we all want to do different stuff, sometimes at the expense of other people's liberty. Subjective definitions of liberty, rather than a common definition, means a conflict of all against all, or at least a conflict of a government controlled by some who are targeting everyone else. It means that our flag is no longer a common symbol for our shared definition of liberty. It's just a rag that means different things to different people based on their subjective experiences and definitions of reality.

And that means we have nothing holding us together.

The only way to restore the ties that bind us is to rededicate ourselves to the notion of liberty for which generations of Americans fought and died. But that won't happen so long as the left insists that their feelings are more important than your rights.
It's difficult for a revisionist lie to hold people together in lieu of the genetic, linguistic, religious, and cultural kinship upon which successful nations have historically rested. And if "only way to restore the ties that bind us is to rededicate ourselves to the notion of liberty", well, to paraphrase Stefan Molyneux, that is not a strategy.

It's just gaseous cuckservative rhetoric.

It's also a bit ironic that (((Shapiro))) should complain about President Obama redefining liberty and Justice Kennedy redefining the U.S. Constitution, considering that he and his (((co-religionists))) have shamelessly attempted to redefine both "America" and "Christian values" for over 100 years.

This is why the eventual triumph of the Alt-Right over conservatism and its panoply of ahistorical myths is inevitable. Our beliefs are rooted in well-documented history and are entirely in line with both reality and current events. Theirs are rooted in revisionist lies and romantic bathos, and are hopelessly out of sync with what can be readily observed by anyone.

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157 Comments:

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 02, 2016 8:52 AM  

Gaseous is right. "Love" of "country" and "liberty" is about the most vague and meaningless blather conceivable, especially when contrasted with social cohesion based on shared ancestry and culture. Not sure if he is a failed propagandist or just stupid.

Anonymous Elipe September 02, 2016 8:52 AM  

Easier to agree on liberty when your country is full of your cousins than strangers, after all. Especially if these cousins are of English descent.

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 02, 2016 8:53 AM  

In just the posted blurb, lil' Benji blames "the left" by name on four occasions, yet gives no indication of how conservatives have ever fought them, or that they even have any intention to do so now.
This is one of the reasons alt-right will win. Because we WILL fight.

Blogger Todd Stevens September 02, 2016 8:56 AM  

Shapiro pushes the Proposition Nation idea which has always been false.

And while all our veterans deserve honor, I must say the last ones to truly fight for my liberty, did so under a Confederate flag.

Anonymous drose September 02, 2016 8:56 AM  

"It means that our flag is no longer a common symbol for our shared definition of liberty. It's just a rag that means different things to different people based on their subjective experiences and definitions of reality."

Duh. That's exactly what it means. For elaboration see the Civil War.

Blogger David Power September 02, 2016 8:57 AM  

There's a Man Going Round Taking Names.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IfHDi-2EA


Ben Shapiro (Daily Wire)
Brian Stelter (CNN)

Stuart Rothenberg (Washington Post)

Charles Krauthammer (Fox News)

Jennifer Rubin (Washington Post)

Bill Kristol (The Weekly Standard)

George Soros (Convicted Insider Dealer)
Bill Maher (HBO)
Jessica Ehrlich (DNC Operative)

Bernie Sanders (Communist)

Julie Roginsky (Fox News)

Debbie Wasserman Schultz (DNC Chair)

Roger Cohen (NY Times)

Lisa Bloom (Feminist Lawyer)

Robert Zimmerman (DNC Operative)
Simon Rosenberg (DNC Operative)
Jacob Kornbluh (Jewish Press)

Julian Epstein (DNC Operative)


Maggie Haberman (New York Times)

Brad Whitman (DNC Operative)

Barbara Streisand (Hollywood)

Bret Stephens (Wall St Journal)

Ben Cardon (US Senator)

Steve Israel (Congressman)


Rachel Maddow (MSNBC / Lesbian Activist)

Bethany Mandel (Washington Post)

David Goodfriend (DNC Operative)
Mark Cuban (Chaberinsky) Rep 

Al Frankin (US Senator)

Richard Goodstein (DNC Operative)


Ezra Klein (Washington Post)

Erica Berenstein (New York Times)

Fred Kaplan (Slate Magazine)

Jessica “Motormouth” Tarlov (Political Op)
David Axelrod (DNC Political Operative)

Dana Bash (CNN – Real name Schwartz)


Brad Gerstman (DNC Operative)

Matthew Littman (Speech Writer For Biden)

David Plouffe (Politico)
Seth Meyers (HBO)

Josh Schwerin (Hilary spokesman)

Joel Benenson (DNC Operative)

Judith Miller (NY Times Fox News)

Lanny Davis (DNC Operative)

Alan Dershowitz (Zionist / Lawyer)
Alexis Simendinger (Real Clear Politics)
Jeffrey Goldberg (Atlantic Magazine)

Paul Krugman (Economist NY Times)
Richard Dryfuss (Hollywood)
Ronald Brownstein (The Atlantic)

Jennifer Pozner (Media Critic)

Jake Tapper (CNN)


(((All))) vociferously anti-Trump





Blogger Chris Mallory September 02, 2016 9:04 AM  

Todd Stevens wrote:And while all our veterans deserve honor, I must say the last ones to truly fight for my liberty, did so under a Confederate flag.

My standard response when one of the conservatards starts going on about how the military fought for my freedom in Iraq, Afghanistan or WWII Europe is that "The last time American troops fought to defend American freedoms, their uniforms were gray and they lost the war." That got me banned at Daily Caller.

Blogger Robert What? September 02, 2016 9:12 AM  

The alt-Right leaves a Jewish person no choice but to define America as a propositional country, since the alt-Right declares Jews to be not White. My numerous blond haired, blue eyed, fair skinned family members and ancestors would be very surprised to learn that they are not White.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 02, 2016 9:13 AM  

I doubt Ben could be useful, he is a fucking retard. If you asked him to discredit the left or even a specific leftist he simply could not do it, none of the contards can do that. Fails

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 02, 2016 9:15 AM  

#8 can scold us, all contards can but I doubt Robert could discredit any of the anti-whites or their agendas.

Blogger Gaiseric September 02, 2016 9:15 AM  

Robert What? wrote:The alt-Right leaves a Jewish person no choice but to define America as a propositional country, since the alt-Right declares Jews to be not White. My numerous blond haired, blue eyed, fair skinned family members and ancestors would be very surprised to learn that they are not White.
Don't be dishonest. It's Jews that define themselves as not-White, unless it's convenient for them to switch and pretend that they're white.

Besides, white doesn't refer to physical appearance, really—it's a short-hand for "of Western civilization.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 02, 2016 9:19 AM  

@8 Blond hair doesn't have magic powers. A Swede isn't a German isn't a Frenchman isn't an American regardless of hair color. The alternative to arguing for a proposition nation and appearing to be a self-serving sleaze would be for a Jew to accept that he is a foreigner.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 02, 2016 9:20 AM  

@Robert What?, skin color is immaterial. Jews are not 'White Americans' in the context of the 14th principal. Vox Day himself is also not White.

I have never had my DNA tested, but if I found that like our host I was not White, I would still be completely dedicated to the ideals of the Alt-Right and to the 14th principle.

Blogger residentMoron September 02, 2016 9:22 AM  

"the notion of individual liberty and equal rights before God"

The God-given, i.e. unalienable, rights that all men share are elucidated in the very next clause of the same sentence;

- the right to life
- the right to liberty
- the right to pursue your own happiness.

That's it. None of the shit that [[[Benny]]] happily ignores the Left claiming while he fires on his Right, is included in these three simple rights.

They are the three rights on which America was founded.

They are all, and they are enough.

Anonymous Darwin is a Harsh Mistress September 02, 2016 9:27 AM  

If membership in (((America))) is a function of a prospective member's political belief at the time of recognition ...

Why is (((American))) citizenship a perpetually heritable asset bequeathed on the basis of biological descent from the original rightthinker?

I humbly suggest the noble title of my American ancestors be reclaimed and usurpers called, much more accurately and fetchingly I believe, "U.S.-ers" or simply "Users."

Blogger Robert Divinity September 02, 2016 9:27 AM  

It's just gaseous cuckservative rhetoric.

Yep. Ask Lil' Marco and increasingly Hillary how that works out. The public ain't buying Da City on Da Hill bullshit any longer. Results or GTFO.

Anonymous Faceless September 02, 2016 9:27 AM  

I can understand Trump's action items. I can understand the Alt Right's action items. I can understand the Green Party's action items. I can understand the militant Left's action items.

I cannot figure out what Mr. Shapiro's action items are. Do we need some sort of temple for this rededication ceremony? It's a ceremony, right?

Anonymous ZhukovG September 02, 2016 9:29 AM  

@mature craig, it's the street signs that drive me to distraction.

Anonymous johnc September 02, 2016 9:38 AM  

It's so annoying anymore hearing these endless calls to America's founding "principles". Like the whole world started in the 18th century and we don't have thousands of years of Western civilization history to work with.

And then we have these nebulous lectures about American "liberty" and "rights" as if such things were invented by Thomas Jefferson. It's just the same crap sent through the meat grinder over and over.

Blogger Dexter September 02, 2016 9:39 AM  

only way to restore the ties that bind us is to rededicate ourselves to the notion of liberty

Cucks: Muh Principles! Muh Constitution!

Democrats: LOLWUT? (Import 30 million Africans and Arabs)

Cucks: We must try harder! Repeat MUH PRINCIPLES and MUH CONSTITUTION until Mohammed and Adebukola understand them!

Anonymous ZhukovG September 02, 2016 9:41 AM  

@mature craig, I can honestly say that I have never met a Jew that I didn't like. That includes some Hasidic Fellows I did business with.

However, I am not blind to the fact that elite members of their tribe have caused material harm to my tribe.

I don't mind them being tribal and being loyal to their tribe. I'd think they were stupid if they weren't.

However, I expect them to accept that I am allowed to be tribal and loyal to my tribe too.

Blogger Stilicho September 02, 2016 9:41 AM  

Shapiro writes of of a common understanding of individual liberty and equality before God, yet he refuses to acknowledge the common source for that understanding.

Blogger Dexter September 02, 2016 9:43 AM  

Benji blames "the left" by name on four occasions, yet gives no indication of how conservatives have ever fought them

Why, that's absurd! Conservatives have written a vast number of polite, thoughtful op eds and the NRO staff all agree that their work is highly important and influential.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 September 02, 2016 9:46 AM  

What is great about all this is that folks like Ben Shapiro cannot properly even define "liberty".

In Ben's case, liberty involves slight tax cuts, a little less labor regulations, and having the FCC regulate the music industry so that rap music no longer exists.

This guy rejected Ron Paul back in 2008 and 2012. Now he finds himself being rejected by the people he sought to instruct on the virtues of SJW-lite policies that cuckservatives push.

Also, did he ever manage to snag an affair with Michelle Fields for "protecting" her from Trump?

Blogger Chris Jacob Abraham September 02, 2016 9:48 AM  

Where the magic dirt failed, the magic gene will succeed. Is it the full magic gene or the half or the quarter or is it going to be a drop of the magic gene? Perhaps, it not the magic gene, it's the magic genie...
It's not that I think the Alt-Right cannot succeed, it may very well. But this I know, he who is unjust will not endure - gene or no gene, dirt or no dirt. And that is the crux of the matter.

Blogger VD September 02, 2016 9:50 AM  

The alt-Right leaves a Jewish person no choice but to define America as a propositional country, since the alt-Right declares Jews to be not White.

((( Robert What?))) is observably just another revisionist liar. Jewish immigrants defined America as a propositional NATION for self-serving reasons many decades before the Alt-Right even existed. It was a lie then. It is a lie now.

Give up the "hello, fellow white Judeo-Christian Americans" act. It doesn't work anymore. Your cover is blown. Deal with it.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 02, 2016 9:50 AM  

"Being true to our founding documents...does not mean we all define liberty in exactly the same way." This is the kind of definition worshipped by Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has single-handedly redefined the Constitution. He said, "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life."

How did anyone ever think people with different answers to these questions could EVER share a single political system?

It is 8-year-old-child obvious that mixing such intrinsically different people together would create a "State of Nature" (war of all against all) in the political realm.

Sorry, but the defenders of "diversity" are simply too fucking stupid for our (no-so-shared) language to describe. They always were.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 02, 2016 9:53 AM  

@21 You know better.
However, I expect them to accept that I am allowed to be tribal and loyal to my tribe too.

This would be tantamount to someone who routinely sneaks into his neighbor's swimming pool thinking the neighbor should lock his gate, or an embezzler thinking his employer should hire a better accountant.

Blogger Robert What? September 02, 2016 9:58 AM  

@Vox, you just said the same thing I did, but just through in some personal insults for good measure. You are probably more up on American Jewish history than I am. I support and identify with the alt-Right. But apparently I am not white and the alt-Right wants me gone or dead.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 02, 2016 9:58 AM  

The (((Shapiros))) of the world lack the single most important part of being American: undivided loyalty to America. Ditto everyone who is a (hyphen)-American.

Of course, thinking that they will openly out-group themselves is akin to expecting the Chinese to suggest Western companies improve their cyber-security.

Blogger TontoBubbaGoldstein September 02, 2016 10:02 AM  

Chris Mallory wrote:Todd Stevens wrote:And while all our veterans deserve honor, I must say the last ones to truly fight for my liberty, did so under a Confederate flag.

My standard response when one of the conservatards starts going on about how the military fought for my freedom in Iraq, Afghanistan or WWII Europe is that "The last time American troops fought to defend American freedoms, their uniforms were gray and they lost the war." That got me banned at Daily Caller.


Heh.

I've used that one, too.

I also like to ask for an itemization of *our freedoms* that were lost when we lost the Vietnam War.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 02, 2016 10:04 AM  

@29 Don't flatter yourself. Unless your real name in Bernie Madoff, I doubt if anyone cares enough about you to want you dead.

Blogger pyrrhus September 02, 2016 10:06 AM  

Having spent some time recently dealing with the Irish and Irish officials has reinforced the brutal fact that your DNA is your country. The Irish are in no way English, or Scottish, or Scots-Irish, and yet birds routinely fly between these countries. Now I realize fully how much the entry of millions of Irish into the USA must have changed our country.

Blogger Elocutioner September 02, 2016 10:07 AM  

Darwin is a Harsh Mistress wrote:Why is (((American))) citizenship a perpetually heritable asset bequeathed on the basis of biological descent from the original rightthinker?



And there it is.

Black knight: "Why do you support universal suffrage? Shouldn't only people who believe in the proposition be granted citizenship in this nation of ours? It would be insane to allow people who don't believe in our idea determine its fate! Why do you hate our nation?"

Anonymous ZhukovG September 02, 2016 10:11 AM  

@28 dc.sunsets, Of course I know better. I also know that they are not shitting themselves because they fear for their lives.

They're pissed, because when Whites go tribal, that will be the end of their domination of our institutions. They will be an insignificant little minority that has to behave as the majority dictates, or 'next year in Jerusalem'.

Blogger pyrrhus September 02, 2016 10:14 AM  

@25 I recognize you're probably just trolling, but I'll bet you define "unjust" in a manner unknown to the English Common Law, which is what the US (but not Israel or Ireland) is based upon. To you, it probably means "bad for Israel" or "gives me badfeelz"....That's why we aren't going to get along. You are attempting to substitute your values for American values.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 02, 2016 10:15 AM  

If only there were some country in the world where Jews could go to live under their own laws as the majority. No doubt, since they are such a positive contribution to any nation, this would be the place all Jews would prefer to live.

I know it's difficult to say goodbye to our Jewish brethren who so nobly sojourn in the vale of tears beyond the Promised Land for our benighted sakes, but we must place their good first, as they do ours.

Take care, we insist, and don't forget to Skype!

Anonymous Elijah Rhodes September 02, 2016 10:19 AM  

There a certain noble naïveté in the notion of the blank slate human; a kind of utopian wishful thinking. But just like free trade, the proposition nation has been exposed to be at best a feel-good theory, and at worst, an evil concoction to achieve political ends. It will be very interesting to observe how the propositionists deal with the disintegration of their religion over the coming years. I suspect (((Shapiro))) will be the kid on the playground who just wants to take his ball and go home.

Anonymous BGKB September 02, 2016 10:23 AM  

But this means that liberty has no real definition outside of "stuff I want to do."

So the groid raping a white woman on a sidewalk in broad daylight on a busy street was enjoying liberty? http://www.truecrimereport.com/2010/01/anferney_fontenet_15_rapes_wom.php

If you asked him to discredit the left or even a specific leftist he simply could not do it, none of the contards can do that

He might be able to find another jew that could affect their credit

However, I am not blind to the fact that elite members of their tribe have caused material harm to my tribe

I have screwed all my jewish exes but no where near what the elite members of their tribe have done to mine.

It is 8-year-old-child obvious that mixing such intrinsically different people together would create a "State of Nature" (war of all against all

Not war against all, the lesbian Latrino activist interviewed on the Pulse shooting had harsher vitriol for the hospital that saved lives than the afghani moslem that shot 102 gays on latrino night.

But apparently I am not white and the alt-Right wants me gone or dead.

We want you to make Aliyah just like Bibi told you to.

Unless your real name in Bernie Madoff, I doubt if anyone cares enough about you to want you dead

Is he spawn of John Corzine or Soros?

Anonymous WinstonWebb September 02, 2016 10:24 AM  

I suspect (((Shapiro))) will be the kid on the playground who just wants to take his ball and go home.

He would. If he possessed any.

Blogger Rabbi B September 02, 2016 10:30 AM  

@29 Robert What?

I support and identify with the alt-Right. But apparently I am not white and the alt-Right wants me gone or dead.

Might I suggest aliyah over suicide?

(((You and I))) might put very well put America first and live as we have been commanded in all of the nations to which we have been scattered, but that is no guarantee that, when the SHTF in a big way, (((we're))) going to be spared from the ensuing backlash.

The point is to stop whining or go home. As I have said numerous times, as long as (((you're))) a guest here, behave like one and put the interests of others ahead of your own as we have been instructed, and suffer well if necessary. No one owes us a damn thing and we have shirked our duties and obligations as Jews long enough.

If we perish, we perish, but let us perish for doing what is right and good; if we're hated, we're hated, but let it be for His name's sake, and not because were acting like pretentious, entitled, self-serving (((assholes))). We just need to shut up, keep our heads down and quietly serve our fellowman, come what may.

I really don't care what the alt-right or anyone else thinks of me at the end of the day. I try to live my life before an audience of One, the One before Whom I will stand some day and to Whom I will give an account.

Blogger VD September 02, 2016 10:37 AM  

you just said the same thing I did, but just through in some personal insults for good measure. You are probably more up on American Jewish history than I am. I support and identify with the alt-Right. But apparently I am not white and the alt-Right wants me gone or dead.

You're lying again. I did not say the same thing you did. To the contrary, I pointed out that you said something completely false. Jewish people had a choice. They chose to create and perpetuate the "proposition nation" myth. Their creation of that myth was not a reaction to the Alt-Right.

Blogger SDaly September 02, 2016 10:38 AM  

Rabbi B.

There is a lot of wisdom in you post. Jews, as a small minority, did themselves no favor by trying to stamp out the majority Christian culture from the public sphere.

Blogger Rabbi B September 02, 2016 10:46 AM  

@43 SDaly

For me, so much comes down to simple gratitude. The moment we become ungrateful is the moment we become a stench in the nostrils of those around us. Personally, there is nothing I abhor more than an ingrate.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 02, 2016 10:53 AM  

May God bless you and all your house Rabbi B. If you get to Israel, I hope they appreciate what an excellent teacher they are gaining.

Anonymous patrick kelly September 02, 2016 10:56 AM  

"But apparently I am not white and the alt-Right wants me gone or dead."

No, you can stay if you want to be an American and identify as such with no loyalty to any other. Probably can't vote and need to stfu about muh-holocaust or whine about anti-semitism and you're probably good. I don't know where alt-right victory leaves you for good, I can't read minds or predict the future, just my 2c worth.

Anonymous 5343 September 02, 2016 11:04 AM  

But apparently I am not white and the alt-Right wants me gone or dead.

Even if they did (and this is a mischaracterization), you're still way, WAY better off siding with the Alt-Right than with globalists who will give away your job and your hometown to the third world.

If you are here legally, you have nothing to worry about. Getting rid of all Muslims and excessive numbers of Hispanics will occupy the Alt-Right for the next few years anyway. We can start worrying about legacy issues down the road, and I see no reason why it can't be handled reasonably provided this gay "proposition nation" nonsense is conceded an forgotten.

I don't see how insisting on constitutional rights you don't actually have will help much in the long run.

Blogger VD September 02, 2016 11:08 AM  

But apparently I am not white and the alt-Right wants me gone or dead.

I don't care what color you are. But if you are a Jew who claims America is nothing but a proposition, then yes, without question, the Alt-Right wants you gone.

Because you are attempting to deny Americans their very existence, history, tradition, and identity, just so you can falsely claim to be one of them while simultaneously maintaining your own tribal identity.

You really don't see where people might not like that?

Do you think Israelis would appreciate it if 160,000 white Christians moved to Israel, claimed they were real Jews, just as Jewish as any other Israeli, then started pitching a fit every time someone mentioned Hannukah or the Day of Atonement, then took over the Israeli central bank and the Tel Aviv stock exchange?

Anonymous a_peraspera September 02, 2016 11:09 AM  

The bottom line is that you can't appeal to "shared principles" when you've imported tens of millions of people who don't share your principles, and are only here to loot the country for whatever they can grab before skipping off back to India, China, Mexico or wherever.

Anonymous 5343 September 02, 2016 11:13 AM  

Rabbi B wrote:I really don't care what the alt-right or anyone else thinks of me at the end of the day. I try to live my life before an audience of One, the One before Whom I will stand some day and to Whom I will give an account.

As usual, everything you write is terrifically sensible, but this last paragraph is my favourite.

Blogger James Dixon September 02, 2016 11:18 AM  

> There's a Man Going Round Taking Names.

The NYT was kind enough to compose a list of defectors for us recently: ttp://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/29/us/politics/at-least-110-republican-leaders-wont-vote-for-donald-trump-heres-when-they-reached-their-breaking-point.html

Somehow I doubt the almost certain result is what they had in mind though.

> since the alt-Right declares Jews to be not White. My numerous blond haired, blue eyed, fair skinned family members and ancestors would be very surprised to learn that they are not White.

No, we don't. The Jewish people do. Why do you complain about us taking them at their word?

You have a choice. You can be American or you can be Jewish as the Jews have defined it. I'd wish for a third option, but the definers haven't left us with one. That was their decision, not ours.

Somewhat OT, but saw the following three headlines on google news this morning:

"Putin doesn't get American politics"

"Do electronic voting machines put 2016 election at risk?"

"Hacking the ballot box. The threat is real."

One wonders why they would feel the need to post these if they think Hillary will win. The only reason I can see would be to set the stage for claiming Trump stole the election.

Simple popularity of the stories is obviously out given the way Google has been manipulating things for the dems this election.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 02, 2016 11:25 AM  

@35 ZhukovG, I know you know. No offense or criticism intended.

Certain people (not all of them ((()))) are reaping fabulous wealth from this largest-ever con job. They are--what?--the 5th generation to do so, and the last 35 years have yielded a well-stocked ocean of fish (blindly schooling as they're told) for their drift-nets.

First, America yielded great production to be milked and great armies to be used as surrogates. In the last 35 years the institution of the Federal Reserve Banks paid off far more handsomely than its originators imagined, yielding more wealth to be sacked than any invasion of a rich kingdom in antiquity.

All this was done without swords, poison or guns. It was done by subterfuge, and let's face it, the people who pulled it off are laughing their asses off whenever they gather behind closed doors. "Oh, the rubes! No Pharaoh could do what we've done, getting the slaves to sweat and die building whatever it is we tell them."

They've strip-mined the USA of capital, of inventions, of innovations, of industry and now of the essential moral fibers that constituted the connective tissue of her greatness.

When the 50 year (and running) con game of Monetary Madness ends, and Americans awaken one day (soon) to the realization they've been paupered by the inveterate liars running ABCNNBCBS-FOX-NYT-WaPo-BoGlo, et.al., and every one of their left/left-center (cuck) politicians, frankly I can't imagine the spontaneous expressions of that rage.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 02, 2016 11:25 AM  

Proposition nations and magic dirt are golems created to destroy host nations, along with the counterfeiting and debt rackets known as "banking".

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 02, 2016 11:27 AM  

Do you think Israelis would appreciate it if 160,000 white Christians moved to Israel, claimed they were real Jews, just as Jewish as any other Israeli, then started pitching a fit every time someone mentioned Hannukah or the Day of Atonement, then took over the Israeli central bank and the Tel Aviv stock exchange?

Hell, the Jews freaked out when a handful of Romans simply implemented a few architectural changes to the Second Temple. (((They'd))) figure out a way real quick to convert 160,000 into a nice round figure of 6 million, and provide them housing and ovens.

Blogger Doom September 02, 2016 11:28 AM  

Faceless,

"I cannot figure out what Mr. Shapiro's action items are."

Simple. Stalling tactic. The longer the frog is in the water, which is slowly being brought up to cooking temp, the more likely it will die without moving. Calming, soothing, words will keep some still in the pot right where they are.

Blogger Ron September 02, 2016 11:33 AM  

@Robert

You have been told your whole life that if you support an ideal patriotically then you will be part of the family. Now you are being told that is not enough and your mind cant accept it.

Im sorry, but you must face reality. Things may not go completely sour, but there is an extremely high chance that they will. Do your want to be in the same boat as the Hungarian and Polish Jews who simply would not listen to any warnings?

Right now, you are being warned. Dont be stubborn, take the warning seriously. Do whatever you can to establish yourself in Israel. If you can move, then move. If you can buy property, then buy property. If you can only invest, then invest. If all you can do is join prganizations that help other Jews move to Israel and establish themselves there, then do that.

But for the love of God, please do not sit on your ass and expect that everything will go on just as it always has. One way or another, the diaspora is ending. Ethno-Nationalist movements are rising. And this process will only accelerate dramatically if there is a (likely) economic disaster.

Work with the situation, not against it.

Blogger Log September 02, 2016 11:36 AM  

(((Jesus Christ))) said:

Matthew 12
46 ¶While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.

47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?

49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

(((Jesus Christ))) taught the proposition family. Note the explicit disavowal of the requirement of biology to constitute family.

Blogger Log September 02, 2016 11:39 AM  

I predict as time goes, the Alt-Right will distance itself from the Bible, with which it has as tenuous a relationship as the American liberal left has to the Constitution of the United States.

All we have to do is compare your philosophy with the teachings of (((Christ))).

Blogger James Dixon September 02, 2016 11:47 AM  

> (((Jesus Christ))) taught the proposition family. Note the explicit disavowal of the requirement of biology to constitute family.

His family, Log, not ours. Or is it beyond your conception that the abilities of God may exceed our own?

Blogger Noah B September 02, 2016 11:49 AM  

@57 Following along with your logic, Log, the "proposition family" are those who follow the teachings of Christ. That doesn't include most Jews.

Anonymous Laz September 02, 2016 11:49 AM  

Not surprising that your half breed ancestors didn't want to be Jews.

Blogger Log September 02, 2016 11:49 AM  

The principle of a proposition family is clearly (((Biblical))). This seems an inconvenient fact for the erstwhile defenders of "Christendom."

Anonymous Jack Amok September 02, 2016 11:51 AM  

But apparently I am not white...

You don't have to be White to belong to the Alt-Right, you just have to believe White people aren't obligated to accommodate the rest of the damn world in our front yard.

Now, about this "propositional nation" idea. Okay, so, if we're a propositional nation, then anyone who agrees to the proposition can join. Great, got it. But what, exactly, is the proposition? Shapiro says it's liberty and equal rights before God (even though he demonstrates we don't agree on what those two things mean). But doesn't the proposition have to include - if nothing else - a commitment to defend one another against attacks?

It's great if my neighbor doesn't break into my house and steal my stuff while I'm gone, but sitting on his porch sipping chardonnay and watching while some third world gang does it isn't exactly the sort of neighbor I'm going to appreciate.

You want a propositional nation? Find a way for the proposition to include defending the nation from invasion. You'll find some of the current planks aren't very compatible with that though, so you're going to have to make some choices.

Blogger Noah B September 02, 2016 11:53 AM  

After 2000 years of doing Christianity all wrong, we're so lucky to live in a time when Churchians can show us how it should have been done the whole time.

Blogger Log September 02, 2016 11:55 AM  

@64 confirms @58.

Blogger Noah B September 02, 2016 11:57 AM  

Churchian logic: Jesus Christ was a Jew, therefore you should worship all Jews, including those who killed Jesus and reject his teachings.

Anonymous ZhukovG September 02, 2016 11:57 AM  

@62 You are a snake, who twists the Lord's words to suit your murderous purpose.

But you are eagerly doing your true father's will so what can we expect?

Anonymous BS! September 02, 2016 11:58 AM  

"This is why the eventual triumph of the Alt-Right over conservatism and its panoply of ahistorical myths is inevitable."

And this is why Moose Snot will one day fuel rockets to mars. The AltRight seems to think the rest of the world (The 99.9%) also believes the Jews are such canny, infiltrating folks when in fact Jews are among the most likely to deliver a surplus of good to any society.

Simple bigotry, VD. Simple Bigotry!

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros September 02, 2016 12:02 PM  

Rabbi B:

Are you planning to go back at some point? What's your plan?
As I recall you're a Messianic, so I gather that would make things more complicated.

Blogger Robert What? September 02, 2016 12:05 PM  

@Gaiseric
"Don't be dishonest. It's Jews that define themselves as not-White"

Well I don't know what "Jews" do, but I've always been under the impression I am White. Imagine my surprise. Don't think that the ADL speaks for all Jews.

Anonymous 5343 September 02, 2016 12:06 PM  

Log wrote:The principle of a proposition family is clearly (((Biblical))). This seems an inconvenient fact for the erstwhile defenders of "Christendom."

Oh, please stop with this nonsense. Smart-ass, disingenuous pagans lecturing Christians about what Christ said is immensely tiresome.

The "proposition family" of which he speaks are those who "do the will of my Father". Thus Christ was united propositionally with all those who genuinely believed.

In order for your "proposition nation" to have any validity, according to this very section of scripture you quoted it would have to be composed of 100% Christians.

Take your cuck twaddle and begone.



Have you read "Cuckservative" at all?

Blogger Student in Blue September 02, 2016 12:09 PM  

Obviously not.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 02, 2016 12:10 PM  

Log is repeating his usual hyper-gamma churchian lie. He's a tedious holier-than-thou faggot.

Propositional != behavioral. Spiritual != physical. Jesus was very clear on racial distinctions. So is the Bible on his genealogy.

If Log was for real about his version of Christianity, he'd have long ago been martyred by some indigenous tribe or Muslims, and would be able to derail threads with his snarkily stupid "theology".

Blogger Gaiseric September 02, 2016 12:10 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:@21 You know better.

However, I expect them to accept that I am allowed to be tribal and loyal to my tribe too.

This would be tantamount to someone who routinely sneaks into his neighbor's swimming pool thinking the neighbor should lock his gate, or an embezzler thinking his employer should hire a better accountant.

In some (((Middle Eastern))) cultures that doesn't sound crazy at all, that just sounds reasonable.

That's exactly why few Jews are truly compatible with Anglo-Saxon America.

Blogger SDaly September 02, 2016 12:15 PM  

Log,

Are you unaware of the dual nature of Christ?

Blogger Escoffier September 02, 2016 12:17 PM  

5343 wrote:Log wrote:The principle of a proposition family is clearly (((Biblical))). This seems an inconvenient fact for the erstwhile defenders of "Christendom."

Oh, please stop with this nonsense. Smart-ass, disingenuous pagans lecturing Christians about what Christ said is immensely tiresome.

The "proposition family" of which he speaks are those who "do the will of my Father". Thus Christ was united propositionally with all those who genuinely believed.

In order for your "proposition nation" to have any validity, according to this very section of scripture you quoted it would have to be composed of 100% Christians.

Take your cuck twaddle and begone.

Have you read "Cuckservative" at all?



Thank you! This point seems so obvious as to barely need mentioning and yet here we are for the umpteenth time! What is the fascination with conflating the kingdom and the world with these people?

Blogger Student in Blue September 02, 2016 12:17 PM  

@BS!

And this is why Moose Snot will one day fuel rockets to mars. The AltRight seems to think the rest of the world (The 99.9%) also believes the Jews are such canny, infiltrating folks when in fact Jews are among the most likely to deliver a surplus of good to any society.


Yes, clearly at this point in history will people continue loving Jews during severe economic and social upheaval. Ignore all the other times in history when nations drove them out! This time will be different, because we're all so much smarter now.

Or probably not, as history dictates. Now the question is, are you trying to revise Jewish history and how many times they've been kicked out of countries (and thus how very likely IT'LL HAPPEN AGAIN), downplaying their suffering, or are you trying to claim that this time, unlike all the other times when Jews got kicked out, there's simply no reason for Jews to get kicked out (and hence every other time Jews got kicked out they were being evil and untrustworthy)?

My my, quite the conundrum. Either you hate the Jews, or you hate the Jews. Which one is it?

Anonymous johnc September 02, 2016 12:26 PM  

Even Abraham and Moses and Isaiah and David are Christians now. They have seen what they longed to see.

If the Jewish race wants to be taken seriously maybe it should stop spurning God. How long will He put up with your rebellious hearts? This is a borderline infantile level of stubbornness.

Blogger James Dixon September 02, 2016 12:27 PM  

> Don't think that the ADL speaks for all Jews.

Why shouldn't we? Where is the loud Jewish voice disavowing them?

Blogger Rabbi B September 02, 2016 12:33 PM  

@69 Ezekiel Cassandros

Yes, and yes.

We have started the application process, but we may end up hiring a lawyer to help us navigate some of the "challenges." I have been very tempted just to move to Israel and work on aliyah from there, but almost everyone I talk to strongly discourages that approach.

We are currently working with Nefesh b'Nefesh and a local Chabad Rabbi is also helping where he can, so we'll see. For now, we're just doing our part and have to trust that all is in His hands and in His good time.

Anonymous johnc September 02, 2016 12:37 PM  

Having a Jewish person weigh in on how to build a modern civilization and culture is like having a Flat Earther working on a satellite engineering team. Who could take it seriously? The best one can do is pat him on the head and say, "There, there! We love you and all, but please go hang out in the corner of the room and don't come back until you learn some science."

Blogger Rabbi B September 02, 2016 12:42 PM  

@68 BS!

The AltRight seems to think the rest of the world (The 99.9%) also believes the Jews are such canny, infiltrating folks when in fact Jews are among the most likely to deliver a surplus of good to any society.

Don't be obtuse. We have delivered a surplus all right, but it has not been good. Again you can whine and cry all you want and cry anti-Semitism or whatever else. We will be hated. Get over it.

The real question you have to answer is what do you want to be hated for: doing righteousness or behaving like an (((idiot)))?

Blogger pyrrhus September 02, 2016 12:54 PM  

"Do you think Israelis would appreciate it if 160,000 white Christians moved to Israel, claimed they were real Jews, just as Jewish as any other Israeli, then started pitching a fit every time someone mentioned Hannukah or the Day of Atonement, then took over the Israeli central bank and the Tel Aviv stock exchange?

Hell, the Jews freaked out when a handful of Romans simply implemented a few architectural changes to the Second Temple. (((They'd))) figure out a way real quick to convert 160,000 into a nice round figure of 6 million, and provide them housing and ovens."
Totally nailed it...

Blogger Chris Jacob Abraham September 02, 2016 1:00 PM  

@36 You're right. I mean something more than that by just. No process/procedure of law devised, English common law or otherwise, can deliver just outcomes even if you know what a just outcome is or democratically decide what a just outcome is. Because the law is static and people..., well. they're fallen. So the judges try and try, the legislators try and try to cross this gap but it can never be crossed.

Yet, Christianly speaking, you're not accountable for the quality of your process but the quality of the outcome not as a matter of salvation but as the natural outworking of it. After all, Christ was killed by the due process, No? You cannot go before God and say - look how beautiful my laws are and how well we lived under them.

So, is the best that your mythical magic gene can give you is a propensity to accept the restraints of this law process, no matter how varied the outcomes?

If the magic dirt has now failed, then the mythical magic gene failed long before that. This is not because there's anything magical or passe about the dirt or the gene. The law was always meant to be transcended without breaking it.

And about 'feelbadz' - is the common law anything but the accumulation over time of precursors to major very 'feelbadz'? Or is there something magical about that as well?

Blogger Salt September 02, 2016 1:02 PM  

Robert What? wrote:The alt-Right leaves a Jewish person no choice but to define America as a propositional country, since the alt-Right declares Jews to be not White.

We're not called WASPs for nothing.

Anonymous BS! September 02, 2016 1:03 PM  

"Don't be obtuse. We have delivered a surplus all right, but it has not been good."

First, you aren't Jewish, Rabbi. Second, Jewish Americans are law abiding, hard working, provide for their children and parents, worship, pay taxes, are charitable, pioneering and they vote.

Anonymous BS! September 02, 2016 1:08 PM  

"or are you trying to claim that this time, unlike all the other times when Jews got kicked out, there's simply no reason for Jews to get kicked out..."

When were Jews kicked out of America? When was that? The fact that bigotry against jews in the U.S. is so unusual is one more example that those who think America is for whites need to read and understand the history of this country rather than rely of WishWish thinking.

Blogger Student in Blue September 02, 2016 1:09 PM  

@BS!
First, you aren't Jewish, Rabbi.

That's a laugh. What's your proof, 'You disagree with me, thus you are No True Jew!' ?

Second, Jewish Americans are law abiding, hard working, provide for their children and parents, worship, pay taxes, are charitable, pioneering and they vote.

Yeah, and? So were many many Nazis.

Blogger Dirtnapninja September 02, 2016 1:18 PM  

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Blogger Rabbi B September 02, 2016 1:18 PM  

"First, you aren't Jewish, Rabbi."

Well, at least you didn't say I wasn't a rabbi.

Blogger Dirtnapninja September 02, 2016 1:19 PM  

You aren't seeing the end of America. You are seeing the end of the USA. America is the civilisation of Anglo North America. The USA is just a constitutional arrangement. The USA needs America. America does not need the USA.

Blogger Student in Blue September 02, 2016 1:28 PM  

@BS!
When were Jews kicked out of America? When was that? The fact that bigotry against jews in the U.S. is so unusual is one more example that those who think America is for whites need to read and understand the history of this country rather than rely of WishWish thinking.

Oh man, this needs to get framed and put up on a wall somewhere as a prime example of both hilarity, and historical illiteracy.

By the way, newsflash, I never said Jews got kicked out of America. I said EVERYWHERE. America is not the entire world.

I mean, hell, I said it right here, "Ignore all the other times in history when nations drove them out!" Are you literally illiterate, in addition to being historically illiterate?

The fact that bigotry against jews in the U.S. is so unusual is one more example[...]

Oh, so you're downplaying the suffering of Jews in other countries I see. Why do you hate the Jews? Are the innocent Israeli children killed by Palestinians somehow not important to you?

Blogger YIH September 02, 2016 1:28 PM  

BS! wrote:"Don't be obtuse. We have delivered a surplus all right, but it has not been good."

First, you aren't Jewish, Rabbi. Second, Jewish Americans are law abiding, hard working, provide for their children and parents, worship, pay taxes, are charitable, pioneering and they vote.

Yes, we see that out of (((Hollywood))), (((The New York Times))), (((National Review))), (((Wall Street))) and (((The Federal Reserve))) all the time.

Anonymous the management September 02, 2016 1:34 PM  

"That doesn't mean that the country's on the verge of actual implosion. But the idea of America required a common definition of being American: a love of country on the basis of its founding philosophy. That has now been undermined by the left."

The left are the REAL Alt-rightists!

Blogger Chris Mallory September 02, 2016 1:34 PM  

"When were Jews kicked out of America?"

The first time was in 1862, General Order 11, General Grant orders the expulsion of all Jews from areas of Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee.

The second time will be "Soon".

Blogger Alec Rawls September 02, 2016 1:35 PM  

The few visitors to the alt-right who deny that Jews are white are not the alt-right. Are you seeing a central ministry of alt-right around somewhere? Alt-right began with sites like V-dare that served as a free speech zone for what was elsewhere considered politically incorrect. Free speech zones do not have ministries of correct thought.

Blogger residentMoron September 02, 2016 1:41 PM  

"pioneering and they vote"

Mmm-hmm.

Anonymous Sam the Man September 02, 2016 1:44 PM  

Rabbi B.

I ask these questions with all respect, not condemning in any way, just trying to understand:

1) If you are messianic, why would you move back to Israeli? It is my understanding they do not want any Jew or child of a Jew who has chosen to be baptized, in fact I think the chief Rabbi of Jerusalem has held that Messianic Jews are not Jews (heck if the ultra-orthodox had their way very few Jews would be considered as such, all the while the sit on their ass and refuse to defend the nation).
2) If you have accepted Jesus as the messiah, you are essentially a non-Talmudic Jew at best, even if observing 2/3 of the Mishnah (less the Kodashim and a bit of the Tohorot). That is not so popular in Israeli, or so I am lead to believe, Karaite Jews coming to mind.
3) Unless your purpose is to help other Jews get to the "Messiah", why not just be a Christian of one variety or another? It is my understanding most churches hold Jewish converts in high regard.
4) Do you believe in or partake of communion? Just curious on that final point.

I must say I am somewhat aghast at what folks have said on this page. I really do not think Jews as a whole are nearly as plotting as folks here seem to believe. By the same token I could easily pitch in my own criticism, they are a stiff necked people but do not see the need as folks have already gone overboard with it. There is a lot of good in Jewish worldview that I think is being missed. One example: the many contributions of technical and medically inclined families, they certainly are doing what they cane to further western civilization and not seeking to undo it or destroy it. A great many Jews see their mandate of being "a light to all nations" to lead life by which they would be a good example to emulate, not as a mandate to take over and control other people. I could go on but doubt anyone cares, just mentioning this so that folks will see there are two sides. Some of what is said here is kind of hard to take without context.

But In fairness and I have been on the receiving end of VD's comments, I do not cast him as a anti-Semite. He explained his objections very well in # 48 on this thread and there is sufficient truth to what he says that it is kind of disheartening. While high achievement is very Jewish long term wisdom does not seem to be. Not all Jews in America emulate Soros, Bloomfield, Rubin, etc.

Personally I see myself as American, wore the uniform for a period as a reservist (and swore the oath to serve and protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic, which I have never repudiated) I am not and could not be Israelis as I hold my second amendment rights too much to be stripped of personal arms by anyone or institution. I and no one in my family has every held the Christians in ill regard, heck we are intermarried with them. Every 4th of July I enjoy my all-beef hotdogs and put out the American flag while attending my local gun club function in my US made Jeep (though for some reason I like German made guns).

One of my buddies from the reserves had his dog tags stamped as protestant, much to my amusement. His reasoning way back then was if ever captured or if the US went crazy he could hide behind that, even if circumcised. I sincerely hope it does not go that way.

Anonymous A Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 02, 2016 1:56 PM  

Maybe I am just seeing what I want to see, but it looks like certain cucks like Benji are starting down the Kubler Ross road.

The Denial stage is ended, or ending for some.
Now we see the Anger stage.

Next? Bargaining. Lindsey Graham is leading the way?

Depression should be interesting. We can try cheering up the cucks with MOAR PEPE!, fun for everyone!

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd September 02, 2016 1:59 PM  

Log wrote:(((Jesus Christ))) taught the proposition family. Note the explicit disavowal of the requirement of biology to constitute family.

Jesus taught that God's family includes all that answer His call, and do the Father's will. He also taught that He did not do away with the law, which included ``Honor your father and mother...''

When God adopts you into His family, He definitely doesn't intend that to eliminate the family He gave you at birth. God created the family, and God created the nations, and I doubt that God is amused by your efforts to undo His creation.

Log wrote:I predict as time goes, the Alt-Right will distance itself from the Bible, with which it has as tenuous a relationship as the American liberal left has to the Constitution of the United States.

All we have to do is compare your philosophy with the teachings of (((Christ))).


I think that Log has already distanced himself from God's teachings, which contradict his propositional bull.

Blogger pyrrhus September 02, 2016 2:17 PM  

@84 The Common Law promotes economic fairness and social stability--feelzbad doesn't enter into it...

Anonymous Anonymous September 02, 2016 2:18 PM  

Is it know when was the word cuckservative used for the first time? That post should be archived and made into some kind of historical landmark.

Anonymous Dr September 02, 2016 2:20 PM  

Is it known when the word cuckservative was used for the first time? That post should be made into some kind of historical landmark.

Blogger Rabbi B September 02, 2016 2:22 PM  

@98 Sam the Man

I am happy to send you an email on your first four questions. No need for me to clutter up the blog with my response. (rebbaruch10@gmail.com)

I really do not think Jews as a whole are nearly as plotting as folks here seem to believe.

Doesn't matter. That's really not the point, and neither is your idea which is basically summed up in that tired old argument of "Not-all-Jews-are-like-that."

I've shared with you before that I think you are living in a fantasy land. Sure, there are plenty of exceptions, plenty of Jews, like myself who are committed to our duties as Jews. The same was true in Europe. But that's simply not the point.

When people feel pushed into a corner, and influential Jews and organizations like the ADL insist on pushing their perverse and subversive agendas, they are not going to take the time to distinguish the good Jews from the George Soros's of the world.

The Jews are going to be viewed as a problem in need of a solution and a question in need of an answer. It is what it is, and the sooner you humble yourself, accept who ((you))) are and get your head around what's really going on, the better off you'll be.

I am not assimilated. Neither were Mordechai or Esther. Neither was Daniel. But they served the nations to where they had been exiled faithfully and put the interests of the goyim before their own. We can do no less. And yes, we may end up in a den of lions or a wicked decree may be passed by a virulent anti-Semite who has small-man's disease ... it really doesn't matter ... if we perish we perish; we've been called to be a blessing, most especially for such a a time as this.

My advice to you Sam: stop your hand-wringing, stop assimilating, get serious about Torah study and observance, get to Israel if you can, and remember what Hashem requires of you: to love mercy, to do justice and walk humbly with your G-d.

The rest will take care of itself.

Anonymous Philipp September 02, 2016 2:23 PM  

If the only thing that keeps your country together is an ideology, then your country will fall apart if and when enough people stop believing (if they ever did or could) in this ideology.

See the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia for reference.

That's the fate of "proposition nations".

Blogger pyrrhus September 02, 2016 2:23 PM  

@84 Your lame talk about the "magic gene" simply shows that you are a scientific ignoramus. Tens of thousands of genes make up human beings, and relatively small differences between breeding groups (races or ethnicities) produce very different reactions to stimuli, abilities, and behavior. There's your 'culture" for you...

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd September 02, 2016 2:24 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Well I don't know what "Jews" do, but I've always been under the impression I am White.

If you are more comfortable playing the role of white American than playing the role of Jew, that's probably white enough for me. If you can talk, and vote, and act, and think like a white American, and keep it up without strain for the rest of your life, how would I know you aren't white, and why would I care? On the other hand, someone who starts talking about discrimination agwinst his tribe, and trying to impose elements of his culture on my tribe, isn't white enough for me.

I probably have more gut feel for the interaction of genes and behavior than most - genes matter. I also know some folks draw a better genetic hand from the deck than others of their race. Being raised right goes a long way, too. If I can't tell you aren't white, that indicates you have good genes, and good upbringing.

Five to ten generations of ruthless culling will turn wolves into domestic dogs, and a few ``guests'' who start out by showing that they insist on being indistinguishable from whites probably won't ruin our gene pool, as long as we have a society that ruthlessly enforces our social standards.

Anonymous BS! September 02, 2016 2:25 PM  

"The second time will be "Soon".

No it won't. It won't for the same reasons Americans don't hoard Teddy Beats to stave off the rain: to do so would have no basis in reality. America is not a nation of Non-Sequiturians.

Anonymous Spartacus xxxxx September 02, 2016 2:36 PM  

The most revealing statement in Shapiro's essay is the whiny title-

"We Have Nothing Left Holding Us Together"

which the Fourth Turning authors call "The Unraveling". With nothing holding us together things will fall apart. Shapiro is almost on the same page as Rabbi B., for this one moment anyways, before the gaseous falling-apart.

Blogger Rabbi B September 02, 2016 2:37 PM  

@107 BS!

"The second time will be "Soon". No it won't.

Yes, it will. And your mental incontinence will only serve to make the trains great again.

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra September 02, 2016 2:37 PM  

Forgotten bitterness, cognitive dissonance? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o1I3XQxnTs

Ben with Michelle Fields on leaving BB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohzYeSfz5Bc

Milo debates Cathy Young: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stdh7KNQetE

Blogger LP9 Solidified in Gold! Rin Integra September 02, 2016 2:42 PM  

Little is available to mold the incoherent to something sensible when the younger people cannot separate or discern truth from a half truth or lie. Review how the quote, "to tell the truth is treason in an empire of lies," is something they need a safe space or time or help to embrace let alone think through.

Blogger Leo Littlebook in Shenzhen September 02, 2016 3:07 PM  

The longer the Jews are permitted to metastisize in exile, the harder it will be for them to unscrew themselves in Israel. Send them all back.

"One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe." - Yitzhak Gruenbaum, Zionist

Blogger Were-Puppy September 02, 2016 3:08 PM  

@6 David Power

You should see my Yuuuge list of Obama nicknames culled from Breitbart comments :P

Blogger Were-Puppy September 02, 2016 3:13 PM  

@17 Faceless

I cannot figure out what Mr. Shapiro's action items are. Do we need some sort of temple for this rededication ceremony? It's a ceremony, right?
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I think they periodically have to attack the left, in the weakest manner possible. Just to keep up appearances for the Cucks.

Blogger Were-Puppy September 02, 2016 3:35 PM  

@57 Log

(((Jesus Christ))) taught the proposition family. Note the explicit disavowal of the requirement of biology to constitute family.
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America isn't Jesus.

Blogger Chris Jacob Abraham September 02, 2016 4:30 PM  

@105 Anymore than talk about magic dirt makes you a geological ignoramus. Ah! I knew it, it's not the magic genes, it's the small magical changes to those very ordinary genes... magic dirt and/or magic gene = total BS

Anonymous The English Outpatient September 02, 2016 4:42 PM  

I predict as time goes, the Alt-Right will distance itself from the Bible, with which it has as tenuous a relationship as the American liberal left has to the Constitution of the United States.

The alt-right already is distanced from the Bible. A lot of the guys involved come from the PUA/HBD scene or used to be edgy atheist libertarians. The Christians involved with the alt-right tend to be traditional leaning as opposed to churchian cucks.

It's also been around a lot longer than the media thinks, which anyone with a long association with the alt-right already knows. It's kind of like the wonderland that was late 90s PC gaming: you had to be there and you can always tell who wasn't when they talk about it.

Anonymous tublecane September 02, 2016 5:00 PM  

I used to laugh with them at that Kennedy quote, but the older I grow the less I get between it and that "pursuit of happiness" nonsense. What ever was there to prevent Lockean liberty from turning into the "right" to abortion on demand and gay marriage? Tradition, virtue, etc. Then let us focus on those.

Trouble is (among other things), our betters in the conservative movement are ignorant on such topics as virtue and tradition. They couldn't tell justice Kennedy about them had they the opportunity. All they're doing is competing with the opposition (or their supposed opposition) over the minds of Kennedys of the world, and losing. Losing badly and constantly. So what is the point of them?

Anonymous tublecane September 02, 2016 5:02 PM  

@118-That was supposed to be the less I get the difference between it and that pursuit of happiness nonsense.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 02, 2016 5:08 PM  

Alec Rawls wrote:The few visitors to the alt-right who deny that Jews are white are not the alt-right. Are you seeing a central ministry of alt-right around somewhere? Alt-right began with sites like V-dare that served as a free speech zone for what was elsewhere considered politically incorrect. Free speech zones do not have ministries of correct thought.
LOLOLOL
You can label anything you want as alt-Right, under the rubric of free speech? That's so retarded I think it needs it's own category. Meta-retard? Post-retarded?

The essence of alt-Right is this: "We must secure the existence of the White race and a future for White children." If you are a Jew who wants to work from that perspective, maybe there is a place for you on the alt-Right. So far 99% of Jews who try to pretend to be alt-Right wind up claiming that our children and grandchildren don't matter, what matter are ideas, and most important are the ideas they themselves champion, which mostly consist of "I have the right to be included as an equal and to suppress the continued existence of White Christians."

Nope, not buying it. Get bent.

Anonymous CatholicOne September 02, 2016 5:15 PM  

@57 Log

The covenant with Noah:

After the unity of the human race was shattered by sin God at once sought to save humanity part by part. the covenant with Noah after the flood gives expression to the principle of the divine economy toward the "nations", in other words, towards men grouped "in their lands, each with (its) own language, by their families, in their nations".

This state of division into many nations, each entrusted by divine providence to the guardianship of angels, is at once cosmic, social and religious. It is intended to limit the pride of fallen humanity united only in its perverse ambition to forge its own unity as at Babel. But, because of sin, both polytheism and the idolatry of the nation and of its rulers constantly threaten this provisional economy with the perversion of paganism.

The covenant with Noah remains in force during the times of the Gentiles, until the universal proclamation of the Gospel...


http://www.vatican.va/archive/...

Nationalism limits the pride of fallen man. It is the secular globalist that wish to abolish the nations to "forge its own unity as at Babel" that are anti-Christian. Your problem is that you correctly see the horrible effects of modern liberalism, yet you misdiagnosis the origins of the problem.

Blogger VFM #7634 September 02, 2016 5:21 PM  

The few visitors to the alt-right who deny that Jews are white are not the alt-right.

@96 Alec Rawls
Actually, refusing to recognize and address how Jews are distinct from Europeans is a feature of cuckservatism.

There are Jews who can be allies of the alt-right -- and they're much rarer than pro-Zionist Europeans, I might add -- but they cannot be alt-right themselves, since the alt-right is fundamentally a defence of Europeanness.

Blogger Chiva September 02, 2016 6:17 PM  

And your mental incontinence will only serve to make the trains great again.

Ahh....Rabbi B. Your humor and wonderful character always lighten the day for me.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 02, 2016 7:11 PM  

What! No satellites possible on Discworld! Preposterous!

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 02, 2016 7:25 PM  

Is Log proposing that marriage, family and familial relations is a propostion only? Is he into communes?

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 02, 2016 7:38 PM  

To be Alt-Right is to be anti-Semitic at this point, whether we actually are eager to fire up the ovens or just want for us and our posterity the same thing the Zionists want for themselves. Does not matter, we are all going to be be lumped together as Nazis anyways. Roll with it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 02, 2016 7:41 PM  

Ethnic Nationalism is Zionism for White people.

Blogger VD September 02, 2016 7:46 PM  

Oh, the irony.

It is my understanding they do not want any Jew or child of a Jew who has chosen to be baptized, in fact I think the chief Rabbi of Jerusalem has held that Messianic Jews are not Jews

vs

I must say I am somewhat aghast at what folks have said on this page. I really do not think Jews as a whole are nearly as plotting as folks here seem to believe.

So, you think Jews who have been baptized or their children are plotting, but other Jews aren't?

You may be somewhat aghast, but I guarantee that most people here, including some Jews, are disgusted by the self-serving double standard you have articulated.

in fact Jews are among the most likely to deliver a surplus of good to any society.

Horseshit. Jews have been instrumental in bringing about the decline and fall of the USA. They starved Ukraine. They slaughtered millions of Russians. They declared war on Germany in 1933. They haven't delivered a surplus of good to the British, to the Poles, or to the Palestinians.

Yes, Haym Solomon helped fund the Revolution. Yes, they've won a few Noble prizes. But on balance, they've often been a net negative to any society that is not their own.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 02, 2016 8:01 PM  

A new paradigm with the alt-right is emerging...

Benji and others like him are basically ideologues, meaning they think any reality that doesn't bend to their philosophy doesn't matter. There's an analogy... they are scientists, replete with all kinds of wonderful theories and postulates and epicycles. But no scientific discovery in the history of the world ever benefited anyone until it was expressed by a working technology. The alt-right are the engineers to the scientism of the political ideologues. The alt-right gets into the hard slog of empirical testing against reality until they finally determine what consistently and optimally works in the real world. As for gaseous theories, the hell with them and anyone who lives in the fantasyland of their Holy Narrative.

Blogger jandolin September 02, 2016 8:04 PM  

Jewish lies about the proposition nation and the melting pot have come crashing down. The news media has devoted the whole week to Colin Kaepernick's, the poster boy for the melting pot, struggles with identity issues and anger towards white society.

Blogger Robert What? September 02, 2016 8:08 PM  

@Vox and @Rabbi B,

I have always believed that America was founded as a Christian nation. As I mentioned, I support and identify with the Alt-Right. I agree that there should be a hiatus, if not an outright ban, on all immigration that is not from White European countries. I am an extreme outlier among my friends and family. However, there is also a huge difference in White European countries as the EU is finding out. Greeks are White Christians, Germans are White Christians. But good luck putting them together in the goal of running a White Christian Majority country. But there is a very important point about keeping America as a White-Christian-Majority country. White Christians have no right to America except by right of conquest. No more than Vox's ancestors had a "right" to their ancestral homelands. (The only people who arguably have a God-given right to their piece of land are the Jews.) So keeping this a White-Christian majority country will take force. And with White-Christians soon to become a minority over the next fifty years that force had better come quickly. And it will need to merge the interests of all White European Christians from those of Swedish descent to those of Greek or Italian descent. Good luck with all that. If you have any hope of maintaining this country in a semblance of what the Founders intended, you'd better take your friends where you can find them.

Blogger EscapeVelocity September 02, 2016 8:18 PM  

Natural Law will not be ignored.

Anonymous Eric the Red September 02, 2016 8:19 PM  

A new paradigm is emerging with the alt-right...

Benji and others like him are basically ideologues, meaning they think any reality that doesn't bend to their philosophy doesn't matter. There's an analogy... they are scientists, replete with all kinds of wonderful theories and postulates and epicycles. But no scientific discovery in the history of the world ever benefited anyone until it was expressed by a working technology. The alt-right are the engineers to the scientism of the political ideologues. The alt-right gets into the hard slog of empirical testing against reality until they finally determine what consistently and optimally works in the real world, as well as extract from history with non-ideological blinders that which is proven to work. As for gaseous theories, the hell with them and anyone who lives in the fantasyland of their Holy Narrative.

Blogger VD September 02, 2016 8:27 PM  

So keeping this a White-Christian majority country will take force. And with White-Christians soon to become a minority over the next fifty years that force had better come quickly. And it will need to merge the interests of all White European Christians from those of Swedish descent to those of Greek or Italian descent. Good luck with all that. If you have any hope of maintaining this country in a semblance of what the Founders intended, you'd better take your friends where you can find them.

Quite likely, yes, it will. And yes, friends and allies will be needed in any scenario. But here is the point: Americans have learned that at least some of the Jews in their midst are NOT their friends, but rather, have been shamelessly using them.

Anonymous Avalanche September 02, 2016 8:31 PM  

@8 "the alt-Right declares Jews to be not White. My numerous blond haired, blue eyed, fair skinned family members and ancestors would be very surprised to learn that they are not White."

Bet they alllll are loyal to Israel aren't they? Members of the Tribe? Bet they think sending $10+MILLION dollars *a day* of OUR tax money to their cousins in their preferred land is jes' fine with them!
{frown}

Blogger residentMoron September 02, 2016 8:33 PM  

@Snidely

Zionism is a particularly peculiar type of nationalism, In fact, when you look at it closely, it is imperialism, and thus supra-nationalism.

Therefore it is, just like the imperialism of the USA, explicitly opposed to nationalism, even though it too (ab)uses the rhetoric of nationalism for its own purposes, which are not national but international.

Blogger ZhukovG September 02, 2016 8:38 PM  

I may be confused; but I would say that a non-White can be Alt-Right, but being Alt-Right does not make you White.

I'm not even sure why people are freaking out about not being considered White. I would still support all the principles of the Alt-Right regardless.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 02, 2016 8:41 PM  

VD wrote:Americans have learned that at least some of the Jews in their midst are NOT their friends, but rather, have been shamelessly using them.

It is not so much learned as it is stopped denying.
The evidence is there, it's undeniable. It's slap-you-in-the-face obvious, even obnoxious. But people of my (Boomer) generation were very carefully trained that not only was noticing bad, and made you Hitler, failing to denounce as Hitler and dissociating yourself from anyone who did notice made you Hitler too. Even alluding, forex, to the dominance of Jews in Hollywood, made you Hitler who wants to kill 6 million Jews with your teeth and make an overcoat out of baby skin.

The genius of the alt-Right is this; it replies "So what?"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 02, 2016 8:46 PM  

residentMoron wrote:Therefore it is, just like the imperialism of the USA, explicitly opposed to nationalism, even though it too (ab)uses the rhetoric of nationalism for its own purposes, which are not national but international.
The purpose of the rhetoric is not illuminate the exact nature of either the alt-Right or Zionism, but rather to draw a parallel between the two and induce cognitive dissonance in the recipient.

ZhukovG wrote:I'm not even sure why people are freaking out about not being considered White. I would still support all the principles of the Alt-Right regardless.
They're not freaking out about being considered White. They are freaking out about someone noticing they are Jewish. That's a very different thing. Many Jews have an almost (or even partially) genetic terror of being identified as Jews.

Anonymous Alice De Goon September 02, 2016 9:06 PM  

"In President Obama's landmark second inaugural address, he openly said, "Being true to our founding documents...does not mean we all define liberty in exactly the same way." This is the kind of definition worshipped by Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has single-handedly redefined the Constitution. He said, "At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life."

And apparently, if your concept of existence leads you to force your neighbors to bake a cake for your gay wedding or to fork over 30 percent of their earnings to support your social engineering projects, then your neighbors had just better suck up and pay up.

How is it in any way a good idea for people to be allowed to "define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life?" Shouldn't we instead define these things by observing the universe and seeing what works?

Those who want to abandon hygiene, sexual continence and decency and go live in their own little Communist Hippie Cult can do so out in the woods by themselves. I suspect their experiment will end much the same way it once did for a certain Hippie colony in the Haight-Ashbury section of 1960's San Francisco: Stumbling naked out of the woods with their skins covered with mange and their genitalia covered with sores...

Blogger Ponce Du Lion September 02, 2016 10:18 PM  

Stop whining. Change your name. Forget your jew part. You can become white. What you can't do is be both things at the same. Lots of people would like have the opportunity to become white, you the Ashkenazi can, but have to let die your jewishness.

Blogger Ponce Du Lion September 02, 2016 10:20 PM  

If you do so, you aren't even a white of Jewish ascendancy remember it.

Anonymous Sam the Man September 02, 2016 11:15 PM  

VD @ 7.46 PM,

I seem to have pissed you off and I do not get it, really I do not. What double standard do you refer to?

As for this:

"
So, you think Jews who have been baptized or their children are plotting, but other Jews aren't?"

Ah no...you are attempting to set up a straw man argument, that is impute something to me I do not think or state. I simply said that some folks here seem to feel that Jews are somewhat akin to the "protocols of Zion fantasy", actively plotting against "white America", which I do not agree with nor do I see it in the circles I live in. Nothing more said or implied, in fact I have not said anything against any particular religion, except possibly islam.

If you think I am baiting Rabbi B, well I am not and my own kids were circumcised, baptized and go to a catholic school. Yup I am one of "those" (married a Catholic shiksa) and I can tell you I get enough hostility from the other side, I don't need your sanctimonious crap on top. Age 13 is going to be a split in the road which I am not looking forward to. By the way there are a lot of folks in such mixed marriages. I have asked questions of folks here that seem to have some wisdom to impart, I ultimately seek the truth in so far as it is possible for a person to understand it, limited as we are by our background and preconceived notions, of which I am sure I have a number. Rabbi B has gone down a path I may be on, though I do not particularly like some of the implications, particularly as it relates to the fate of Jews in America, a topic of some interest to this mischling.

I really mean no disrespect to you or the good Rabbi, especially on your site. It is one of the sites I really enjoy, it is one of the few bastions of free expression uncensored by political correctness. I thank you for it. I am certainly open to having my blind spots revealed, but if you think you see such you might try explaining it rather than taking cheap shots and assuming bad intent.

So if I have rendered offense, as you have stated causing "disgust at a double standard", then be a bit clearer with what exactly how.

No requirement to respond, but I felt I had to.


Blogger The Hammer September 03, 2016 1:06 AM  

If you think I am baiting Rabbi B, well I am not and my own kids were circumcised, baptized and go to a catholic school. Yup I am one of "those" (married a Catholic shiksa) and I can tell you I get enough hostility from the other side, I don't need your sanctimonious crap on top. Age 13 is going to be a split in the road which I am not looking forward to. By the way there are a lot of folks in such mixed marriages. I have asked questions of folks here that seem to have some wisdom to impart, I ultimately seek the truth in so far as it is possible for a person to understand it, limited as we are by our background and preconceived notions, of which I am sure I have a number.

I would recommend getting and reading Dr. Mark Kinzer's book, Searching Her Own Mystery. Also google First Fruits of Zion Discover blog and start with their articles on Jews and Torah observance.

I would also recommend emailing Dr. Kinzer on specific practical questions like the one you mention at the end in my quote of you.

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Blogger LurkingPuppy September 03, 2016 1:11 AM  

ZhukovG wrote:I don't mind them being tribal and being loyal to their tribe. I'd think they were stupid if they weren't.
Bzzzt! Wrong. When (((they))) protect, or even speak out in public to defend, someone that they know is a sexual predator, pedophile, murderer, perjurer, con artist, crook, thief, or scumbag of some other sort because he's a member of (((their tribe))) and he only preyed on outsiders, that is what makes us want to fire up the ovens.

ZhukovG wrote:Don't flatter yourself. Unless your real name in Bernie Madoff, I doubt if anyone cares enough about you to want you dead.
Wrong again. (((One tribe))) is in more trouble than the others because many of its members have done very evil things and gotten away with them, and then we noticed something that (((the people who protected them))) have in common, and now Vox is digging through (((their))) past and finding even more, and subtler, naughtiness.

Sam the Man wrote:There is a lot of good in Jewish worldview that I think is being missed. One example: the many contributions of technical and medically inclined families, they certainly are doing what they cane to further western civilization and not seeking to undo it or destroy it.
Being technically or medically inclined doesn't stop someone from also being (((tribalist scum))) oven food.

Rabbi B wrote:When people feel pushed into a corner, and influential Jews and organizations like the ADL insist on pushing their perverse and subversive agendas, they are not going to take the time to distinguish the good Jews from the George Soros's of the world.
I'm still not convinced that people will be ethnically cleansed (in whatever way, from a bloodbath to mere social ostracism) solely based on race. Not all tribalist scum are Jewish, and all of the races with tribalist tendencies have some members who will be exempted, e.g. because they are known by their community to be good people, or because they are female, pretty, not especially tribal or otherwise evil, and not married within their tribe.

Rabbi B wrote:I am not assimilated. Neither were Mordechai or Esther. Neither was Daniel. But they served the nations to where they had been exiled faithfully and put the interests of the goyim before their own.
(((Hitler))) was assimilated. So is (((Mahmoud Ahmadinejad))). I think you and your people have more to fear from assimilated Jews than the goyim do.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Many Jews have an almost (or even partially) genetic terror of being identified as Jews.
Hmm. Maybe they're the result of centuries of selection, in which the individuals who weren't afraid of being identified as Jews ceased to be part of the tribe.

Blogger The Hammer September 03, 2016 1:12 AM  

@142, Sam, I would finally recommend this sermon on Romans 6 which discusses Jewish immersion and Christian baptism.

http://www.bethimmanuel.org/audio/baptism-messiah

Anonymous SciVo September 03, 2016 1:16 AM  

Robert What? wrote:White Christians have no right to America except by right of conquest.

You toss that aside like it's nothing. We did it once; we can do it again. How foolish we were to let anyone else have the vote! (And how foolish everyone else was to take advantage of it, knowing what we're capable of.)

Open institutions cannot survive in a world of deceit and self-dealing, and most of the rest of the world has devastatingly low-trust cultures. (As do women.) So now we know: keep the franchise dear, or enslave ourselves to rent-seekers.

Unless an American comes from a high-trust lineage, he should be forbidden to be a lawyer, banker, or other high-trust profession. Something to ponder.

Anonymous SciVo September 03, 2016 2:14 AM  

To which I should add: Pornberg is a pussy, and so are Stabberto and Bombhammed. Their only claim to fame is taking advantage of our trusting nature, after we did all the heavy lifting. So it's an insult to VD's barbaric ancestors that we let these arrogant faggots have any power here, without making them literally fight us for it.

Anonymous Takin' a Look September 03, 2016 5:31 AM  

@ LurkingPuppy

"Wrong again. (((One tribe))) is in more trouble than the others because many of its members have done very evil things and gotten away with them, and then we noticed something that (((the people who protected them))) have in common, and now Vox is digging through (((their))) past and finding even more, and subtler, naughtiness."

It ain't just VD, and he isn't being solipsistic when he says "the jig is up". Per example from VD:

"Horseshit. Jews have been instrumental in bringing about the decline and fall of the USA. They starved Ukraine. They slaughtered millions of Russians. They declared war on Germany in 1933. They haven't delivered a surplus of good to the British, to the Poles, or to the Palestinians"

Two years ago, THAT was conspiracy theory and beyond the pale, contested by damn-near EVERYONE as "source? Evidence? Bullshit!" Nowadays....

Two years ago, I posted several examples of Jew-run organized Child Porn(including snuff) on massive scales to a now banned commenter who scoffed. Vox Day defended me. (Thanks Man)

Anti-Semitism isn't "cool" it is a bittersweet joke. I really don't give two shits about a tiny ethnoreligious/cultural group officially numbering 15 million out of a goyim population of 7 billion. They made sure I would focus on them, not the other way around.

Blogger VD September 03, 2016 7:13 AM  

I am not and my own kids were circumcised, baptized and go to a catholic school. Yup I am one of "those" (married a Catholic shiksa) and I can tell you I get enough hostility from the other side, I don't need your sanctimonious crap on top.

I can imagine. And, as you know, your kids are not Jewish.

I ultimately seek the truth in so far as it is possible for a person to understand it, limited as we are by our background and preconceived notions, of which I am sure I have a number.

Then you will find it, I expect, and become a Judeo-Christian in the true and original sense of the word. That will make you a more desirable citizen, but it will not make you an American anymore than it will make you Chinese or Polish.

And what you need to get through your head is that there is nothing wrong with that. Focus on being a great guest rather than a convincing imposter.

Blogger Phat Repat September 03, 2016 9:11 AM  

((())) Once a cuck, always a cuck. You might see redemption, I only see self-serving drivel. Until they lose everything, and they must, can they perhaps receive the slightest consideration. Ostracize.

Blogger Robert What? September 03, 2016 9:46 AM  

@SciVo

You toss that aside like it's nothing. We did it once; we can do it again. How foolish we were to let anyone else have the vote!

No argument there. There were good reasons the Founders limited the vote to white, landowning males. And the 19th Amendment was a national tragedy.

Blogger J Van Stry September 03, 2016 10:49 AM  

http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/comic/yellow-phone-for-mr-benjamin-dover/

Blogger Arthur Isaac September 03, 2016 12:02 PM  

That is not so popular in Israeli, or so I am lead to believe, Karaite Jews coming to mind.

And Talmudists are getting ever less popular worldwide. If that makes the world anti-Semitic doesn't that make Talmudists anti-Christian?

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 03, 2016 8:12 PM  

Robert What? wrote:Greeks are White Christians, Germans are White Christians. But good luck putting them together in the goal of running a White Christian Majority country.
In the words of my nominally Greek ex-neighbors, "We're Turks."  FWIW they flew to Paris when their children were due in order to get French citizenship.

I've met blonde Greek women.  Their families are from the mountains and bear no resemblance to the dark complected people we now think of as Greek.

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