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Sunday, September 11, 2016

Where it all started

This was my first political column, written in response to the 9/11 attacks 15 years ago. It led to a regular op/ed column on WorldNetDaily, national syndication by Universal Press Syndicate, and eventually, this blog. 

Unfortunately, in the intervening time, events within the USA have gone largely as I feared they would, with the federal government using the attacks to rationalize more government violations of the unalienable rights of Americans. Even worse, the immigration crisis and the subsequent demographic corruption have combined with the expansion of central state power with the global economic depression to imperil the stability of the US as a unitary state entity. I also think it is interesting to note that even then, before I had become familiar with the concepts of 4GW and non-Trinitarian war, it was readily apparent to that conventional war would not suffice to subdue the latest wave of Islamic expansion.


Yield No More Freedom

In response to a number of questions inspired by last week’s column, we were working on a piece related to PC security, specifically the sort offered to one’s e-mail communications by various encryption technologies, when we were interrupted by the horrifying events of Tuesday. The fatal hijackings and subsequent media response has been difficult to dismiss from our mind, so we have tabled the usual technology review for a week in favor of some reflections on these recent events.

One of the many troubling aspects of the hijackings is the brutal demonstration that we, as a people, have received very little of the security we were promised in return for the many violations of personal freedom and civil liberties that have been enacted over the past decade. We would go so far as to raise the question if this had not been a fool’s bargain, wherein we have given up something of precious value in return for … arguably, nothing. It is bad enough that we allow the FBI to filter our e-mails and record our keystrokes, that we permit the National Security Agency to intercept every electronic communication floating through the aether, but it is even worse that we have done so without realizing that which we hoped to gain.

Just as the drug war has not reduced the amount of illegal drugs used in this country, the sacrifice of our civil liberties on the altar of national security has not brought us security. Keep this in mind, as the inevitable drumbeat begins for more sacrifices, as the calls begin for Americans to give up even more of their hard-won freedoms. National security cannot seriously be cited any longer in the attempts to ban personal encryption technology, not when, as WorldNetDaily reported yesterday, far better forms of communications encryption have already been delivered to terrorist-sponsoring states like Syria with the full approval of the previous administration.

It is said that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, but that vigilance must be applied within as well as without. A thousand suicide bombers could not destroy America, but America is quite capable of destroying itself in the pursuit of any number of false idols, among them wrongheaded and illusory notions of security at any price. Individual privacy, like private property, is one of the foundations of our freedom, and it must not be thrown away out of fear. Anonymous cell phones or encrypted e-mail missives could be used by a terrorist, true, but the same is also true of a razor blade or a flight simulator.

What our leaders must realize is that personal technology is not a foe, but a powerful ally. The enemy we face can be subdued and contained by soldiers, bombs and a strong national will, but it cannot be ultimately defeated through conventional war. But satellite transmissions and the Internet know no borders, nor does the concept of freedom. Our enemies recognize this, which is why they fearfully denounce every sign of American influence as decadence, because they well know that they cannot raise another generation of suicide warriors if that generation is allowed to partake of the dangerous and forbidden fruit of freedom.

Some have protested that America must not strike back, that doing so will only perpetuate the “cycle of violence,” that others will only rise up to replace those we strike down. But this is demonstrably untrue, as no German ever rose up to replace Hitler, nor does a Japanese war party trouble us today. It is appropriate for a nation to fight a war in its own defense, especially when war has been openly declared upon it. But in doing so, we must resolutely resist the call to sacrifice that which makes the United States of America a country worth defending – our inalienable rights and our individual freedom.

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55 Comments:

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) September 11, 2016 3:35 PM  

This was always one of my favorite columns of yours, Vox

Blogger dh September 11, 2016 3:41 PM  

This was literally how I came to know about you. It was widely forwarded around in a circle of friends I had that the time.

Then I started reading your WND column, and then years later, this blog.

Its pretty sad that we've done so little to solve the problem at such an expense, and that it's taken the sacrifices of a few brave people to get us any bit of knowledge even what the government of the US does in our name.

Blogger Bard September 11, 2016 3:45 PM  

I found your column on WND in 05 I think. Been reading daily since

Blogger Sagramore September 11, 2016 3:49 PM  

Interestingly, I was using a pre-TOR encrypted browsing system called ZKS Freedom on 9/11. It shut down about a month later if I recall.

Blogger YIH September 11, 2016 3:57 PM  

Congats on the Vikes winning their opener. I would have been disappointed if they had not.
Surprised the jagoffs are keeping the spread against the fudge Packers under a touchdown.

Anonymous Credo in Unum Deum September 11, 2016 4:03 PM  

15 years ago, I decided to study islam.

Now, I know more Arabic than I ever thought I would know on September 10th, 2001,

September 11th, 2001 was a missed golden opportunity. Instead of getting on TV and announcing to the world that islam was a "religion of peace," President George W. Bush Jr. should have gone on TV and announced a massive, global, de-islamification, similar to the de-nazification of Europe after WW2.

We have over a billion people on Earth who believe that God spoke to a mass-murdering rapist pedophile 1400 years ago, and that he is the perfect man and should be emulated.

Those people are going to have to be "re-educated."

Anonymous Tigersault September 11, 2016 4:07 PM  

I remember it...was a freshman in high school. If only we kept our eyes on the prize...good article Vox. It's so innocent, compared to now.

Anonymous JAG September 11, 2016 4:11 PM  

I predicted back then to friends that the left would begin importing as many Muslims into the country as they could. Why? Because the true nature of the leftist is contrarian.

Blogger JaimeInTexas September 11, 2016 4:17 PM  

The war on drugs has lost us so many rights and is the foundation for the laws in pirsuit of the global war on terror

Blogger Robert Divinity September 11, 2016 5:03 PM  

Bin Laden may be dead but he ultimately won. Rather than denounce Islam as a danger to Western Civilization, Jorge el-Albusto promptly appeared shoeless in a mosque and ridiculously claimed "Islam is a religion of piece." Jorge did so at the instigation of the Tony Blair Witch Project, largely because Londoners let fly their pent-up frustration and started to beat the shit out of Muslims on the street as the Towers fell.

Our civil liberties were curtailed dramatically and immediately, and America is little more than a UK-type surveillance state now. Muslim immigration, rather than being eliminated, actually increased. I consider that the most amazing OBL success. And of course, our borders never were secured.

So rather than actually defend their homelands, Jorge and Blair Witch sent troops to topple The Evil Ones in Iraq and laid the groundwork for endless war and an Islamic State.

So Osama bin Laden won, largely because the goddamned idiots who led the US and UK used him as a pretext to do things previously unthinkable (Blair and Clinton had wanted to invade Iraq but couldn't get the public support to do so). Muslims have been empowered and emboldened, and US citizens and UK subjects oppressed. Not bad for a religious fanatic and half-assed engineer from the shithole country that controls the West.

Blogger Robert Divinity September 11, 2016 5:05 PM  

*One of the two shithole countries that control the West. Both are laughably thought to be allies of some sort.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr September 11, 2016 5:12 PM  

I wish I could say time had proven this wrong. Unfortunately, it proved all too prescient.

I don't think we can escape the Surveillance State, there's too much information and too many sensors out there. The Golden Age of Privacy has ended. We need to reform laws and customs - in particular, to adopt real tolerance...not just SJW propaganda, but the notion that if you neither pick my pocket nor break my leg, it's none of my business what you do or say.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 11, 2016 5:13 PM  

The war on drugs has lost us so many rights and is the foundation for the laws in pirsuit of the global war on terror

The old saw is that war is the health of the State, but it has a flaw - losing the war is frequently the death of the State.

So we have some innovators who came up with wars where neither side really wins or loses.

Blogger Lovekraft September 11, 2016 5:29 PM  

I first heard about Vox on either Spearhead or In Mala Fide comments section. Came in hard-hitting with a jolt to our perceptions. When I found out he had a blog, the deal was done.

Blogger Fenris Wulf September 11, 2016 5:42 PM  

The best book I've read on this subject is WINNING THE UNWINNABLE WAR by a couple of Randians. Short version: use overwhelming force to destroy the capitols of the major state sponsors of terrorism, repeat the lesson until it sinks in, and make it clear that the same fate will befall any country that finances, trains, or harbors terrorists. The last point is crucial. Islamic governments will be highly motivated to hunt down and destroy any terrorist group that operates in their territory, and they won't be constrained by Western notions of human rights. It doesn't require a million casualties, or a permanent occupation, or a surveillance state at home, or "collective sacrifice" in the name of "national greatness."

What strikes me about Islam is how utterly primitive it is. Their Supreme Being is nothing but a desert warlord blown up to epic proportions. "Go out and kill those people for me, and I'll reward you with plunder and concubines." If we demonstrate our military superiority, we destroy the basis of their religion. We replace Allah with Uncle Sam as the supreme, all-powerful, all-knowing entity who must be feared and obeyed.

Jihadists don't have the kind of power that we ascribe to them. They don't have the ability to defeat our military, disrupt our economy, or terrorize us into accepting Sharia law. It was our own leaders who did those things. The current situation is a product of our unique modern-day cultural psychosis. It would have been inconceivable to anyone living before 1950.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 11, 2016 5:47 PM  

Robert Divinity wrote:So Osama bin Laden won, largely because the goddamned idiots who led the US and UK used him as a pretext to do things previously unthinkable
Consider that they may not be stupid.  They may be on the other side.

Firing squads for the rabble.  Hangings for the upper echelons.  Burning at the stake for the top officials and every last one of their owners, with confiscation of every penny they own or under control of their families or agents.  That ESPECIALLY includes foundations and charities.

Blogger Robert Divinity September 11, 2016 5:58 PM  

@16

That could be true and may very well be, but Bush and Blair would still be goddamned idiots. Your prescription isn't OTT given the stakes, and probably accounts for much of the unhinged fear of Trump.

Anonymous somethingsneverchange September 11, 2016 6:01 PM  

Still waiting on hitler's replacement in Germany? The wait may not be in vain. Who knew it would still be a semitic enemy.

Anonymous Bobby Farr September 11, 2016 6:28 PM  

Were you more grouped with the neocons than Buchanan and the paleos in those days? E.g. no mention of the causative role of open borders, support of foreign intervention, use of WW2 as an example of the successful use of force.

Anonymous URL IRL September 11, 2016 6:38 PM  

Near daily reader since...'02 I think. Good times, good times.

Anonymous SciVo September 11, 2016 6:40 PM  

Fenris Wulf wrote:Short version: use overwhelming force to destroy the capitols of the major state sponsors of terrorism, repeat the lesson until it sinks in, and make it clear that the same fate will befall any country that finances, trains, or harbors terrorists.

Why the fuck do we have nukes, if not to keep the People safe?

Mr. Rational wrote:Consider that they may not be stupid.  They may be on the other side.

EXACTLY

Blogger JWM September 11, 2016 6:43 PM  

David Warren is one of favorite essayists. His piece today is right on topic:

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/2016/09/10/fifteen-years/

JWM

Blogger Phillip George September 11, 2016 6:45 PM  

as a trooofer this may not be my place and time.

Al Qaeda and ISIS, ISIL, which turns out to be good for the Jews, are nominally associated with Muhammadism even though they aren't because Allah hu Akbar just means mentally unstable, lone wolf without religious affiliations.

So how do you fight mentally unstable lone wolves declaring war on no group in particular which happens, by coincidence, to be good for the Jews and oil interests in the middle east and a US dollar backed by oil commodities markets.

The answer is you cannot.

By saluting flag Jesus/ YaHoSHuaH, you kill every insanity under the sun. Do the maths. Do the science. Get in a laboratory. Research Avaris. Research Mount Sinai in Arabia. Do the underwater survey of the Red Sea Crossing. Do the abiogenesis lab work. Learn the second law of Thermodynamics. Do the anthropology, DNA convergence rates, Genetic Entropy,

otherwise ISIL, Shadow Government, good for the Jews, multi cultic abolition of man, will kill you.

It's not whether or not to Theocratize, it's how to?
Trooooofers rule O.K. - ancient Roman graffiti. All roads to the Roman Cross.

Anonymous Anonymous September 11, 2016 6:46 PM  

God bless you Vox, and all you have written and will continue to write.

You've changed my life for the better, and countless of my friends now read your words.

You are Plato reborn. Modern day hey-zeus.

Blogger Laguna Beach Fogey September 11, 2016 6:48 PM  

Weird. I could have sworn I was reading you somewhere in the late 90s or around 2000 at the latest.

Blogger Phillip George September 11, 2016 6:58 PM  

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--JcyrI1nB--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18myou0kz7ujejpg.jpg

5 pm WTC 7 collapses at free fall after lucky larry decided to pull the building and after the BBC previously announced it had collapsed. Amazing situations call for amazing physics. Just suspend all belief.

Anonymous MendoScot September 11, 2016 7:13 PM  

It was your WND columns that hooked me, and eventually lead me to this blog.

Back then, 40 comments was a really hot topic.

Anonymous LES September 11, 2016 7:41 PM  

@25 Yep, the wars in the Middle East and the resettlement of the refugees is all about clearing the way for Greater Israel. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VoBH86DTwDA/hqdefault.jpg

Blogger Sillon Bono September 11, 2016 7:41 PM  

I think I had read this column at the time, however I had no idea who you were VD.

It amazes me to this day when politicians refuse to name the perpetrators (Islam) and do anything meaningful and common sense strategic against them, like not accepting their filthy money, engage in massive campaigns to explain that they really are a death cult, expose and ridicule their absurd 7th century behaviour and mentality, stop them from carrying business in the western world, stop their cultural colonisation, and stop the invasion.

Regarding 9/11 "conspiracies", and from the point of view of the towers' collapse, I always disregarded the claim that the towers were brought down by other stuff than the fire and explosions caused by the planes, the collapses always looked "correct" to me, as in the right behaviour when the top causes a cascade effect on the lower floors, steel and high temperature do not mix, and gravity and mass does the rest.

The WTC7 totally looks intentionally demolished from the angles where it was filmed... however, were loud bangs heard when it happened? these should have been heared, there is no way they could have not been heard. Have always thought the collapse of WTC7 was caused by failure in the foundations caused by the fall of the towers, that massive weight crashing down is like an earthquake and the foundation was shared.

I could be wrong of course.

Anonymous David September 11, 2016 7:55 PM  

@23 Well. That was incoherent.

Anonymous LES September 11, 2016 7:56 PM  

OT: Somebody tell Trump to tell the debate moderators that they are not debaters. If Trump doesn't like a "gotcha" question he should tell the moderator to go to the next question. I'm tired of these debate moderators acting like they are in a superior position to the candidates.

Blogger Elder Son September 11, 2016 8:06 PM  

@28

And you just called experts in:

Architects.
Engineers.
Physics.
Chemistry.
History.
Fire Fighters.

Stoo-pid.

And it is amusing, as I watched the events unfold that day, from the very first news blip, as the 2nd Tower collapsed, I called B.S. I may have gone with the first tower, but the 2nd tower, the 3rd tower? But then again, I'm not one of those emotional types prone to traumatic conditioning. Or booboisie tube low alpha state.

Blogger Elder Son September 11, 2016 8:09 PM  

however, were loud bangs heard when it happened? these should have been heared

Seriously? Really? They were heard. And there are plenty of witnesses including first responders, and civilians. Are you in another galaxy?

Blogger Phillip George September 11, 2016 8:20 PM  

Not to mention the pentagon, big building little hole. Video confiscated. No debris reconstruction. cf. TWA800 reconstruction.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/14/us/twa-flight-800-five-things/

where are the hangar reconstructions of United Flight 93 and American Flight 77?

But the list is far too long.
Cui Bono is the only question. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine?

when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth
\
but when the troooof doesn't work will "Alt"? pause for another twenty seconds on that? If truth isn't working what will?

Blogger exfarmkid September 11, 2016 8:25 PM  

Huh. That was a thoughtful and predictive editorial. Wish I had read it at the time.

(FWIW, I started reading you about the time of the "half-savage" comment - I somewhat regret ignoring you for years, but not totally when I recall that you had something to do with "Dicks out for Harambe" being stuck in my head for a week......)

Blogger Sillon Bono September 11, 2016 8:29 PM  

@32

Look, like I said I could be wrong, but I may happen to have knowledge about structural mechanics that you may not have, so easy man, I'm just voicing an opinion.

I discussed the way the towers collapsed with other people at the time who also had considerable "understanding in structural mechanics" and everybody agreed that at least the twin towers didn't look "uncharacteristic".

I haven't heard any video or collection of witness say anything about hearing explosives going off when the WTC7 went down.

You can believe what you want, I'm not telling you to do otherwise, show me links where the explosions can be heard.

As I said, from the angles where it was filmed the WTC7 building collapse "looks" like an intentional controlled demolition.

"Looks" it is not the same as "it was".

We all have a hunch that the entire 9/11 is nowhere near clear, but to make assertions like a building was purposely demolished using explosives in just a few hours of preparation is a bit too much.

Controlled demolition of a building that size requires a hell of lot of preparation, and (((very loud explosives))).

Following the Saudi trail of money however is less complicated.

Blogger Sillon Bono September 11, 2016 8:34 PM  

@32

>>Seriously? Really? They were heard. And there are plenty of witnesses including first responders, and civilians. Are you in another galaxy?

Maybe I do not watch TV and 15 years have passed, at the time no one was talking about 9/11 being an internal job in which (((them))) had prior knowledge and choose not to share it, and so on.

Show me recordings where the "bangs" can be heard, I'm open minded.

Blogger Elder Son September 11, 2016 8:41 PM  

Not to mention they happened to be military exercising this exact same scenario that day, which took the very responders to intercept, elsewhere.

Operation Northern Vigilance.
Vigilant Guardian.
Vigilant Warrior.

All the way up to Alaska and Canada.

NEW -- AMERICAN -- CENTURY? Project.

Welcome to the new American century. Beginning Dial Emergency 9-11-2001.

They spit in your face, and Americans call it dew.

We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do. - Karl Rove

Everything that is happening today, is predicated on 911. From the National Security State, to our meddling in bringing the non-integrated Gap into the integrated globalist NWO Core. And, this is the Agenda 21st Century, right?

1st Gulf War was just a precursor. A softening of the psyche: https://youtu.be/7SwWfDJheRA

Meh. Cognitive dissonance.

Blogger Elder Son September 11, 2016 8:52 PM  

Show me recordings where the "bangs" can be heard, I'm open minded.

You, are, not, serious.

Ever heard of Youtube?

Hint: 911 Fire Fighters Explosion - then you can move on from there with other key words.

If you are serious in the truth, no matter where it leads you, you will research it yourself. It's been 15 years and all these years you have had the opportunity to do this.

Meh. You can go search for the "booms" yourself.

I have 2 vids in easy reach you can watch:

https://youtu.be/57kdlbdYILM

https://youtu.be/xqqelDq4P48

15 YEARS! MuriKa!!!

Blogger Phillip George September 11, 2016 9:03 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF6DZmdZjEQ

in the end the satanists get hell. but their enablers? Where are their enablers going to stand.

study those squibs. study the testimony and death of William Rodriguez - whose testimony mysteriously never appeared in the official report/ distort/ obfuscations.

and Jeb just missed out his turn. Security ?

George W. Bush’s and Jeb Bush’s brother Marvin Bush was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records

well that's a coicidence.

Blogger Phillip George September 11, 2016 9:29 PM  

supernatural is not the same as impossible Mr Rational.

let's be logical. Logic, information, language, must have arisen somewhere. It is either material or non material. It is either in the ether between Mars and Jupiter or it isn't? If it isn't there how is it here? Exactly how?

Anonymous szIlk September 11, 2016 9:53 PM  

Happy Anniversary, man. Hope SB did a little something special for you...

Blogger JCclimber September 11, 2016 11:24 PM  

I had been reading your tech column because of your straightforward and no-BS reviews and opinions. Reading your first column after 9/11, your thoughts almost perfectly reflected my first thoughts after thirst for revenge.

THe skepticism of our own government was rare to see outside of the lunatic fringe.

Hard to believe it has already been 15+ years of reading Vox Day's writing style.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit September 12, 2016 4:25 AM  

Yep. I remember wondering why, based on your WND columns, Mr. Nielsen-Hayden had such a hard on to take you down. You were, at the time anti-GWB-adjacent.

Based on the initial reaction of 1. Sycophant-wannabes, 2. People being careful around someone who could directly harm a nascent career 3. Established pros...

He thought you'd be an easy target with which to make his prog bones.

Whatever our political differences, your warms to it my heart.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit September 12, 2016 4:28 AM  

Apologies: your response to it warms my heart

Blogger VD September 12, 2016 4:44 AM  

Phillip George and Mr. Rational, both of you morons are going to get spammed on sight until you learn to stop spamming the comments with your endless idiocy.

Everyone - and by that I mean dozens of commenters, including several of the moderators - are sick of you both. More than a few have asked for you to be banned.

Go take it somewhere else. Both of you are regularly off-topic and one else is interested in your little quarrel.

Blogger VD September 12, 2016 4:55 AM  

We all have a hunch that the entire 9/11 is nowhere near clear, but to make assertions like a building was purposely demolished using explosives in just a few hours of preparation is a bit too much.

National Institute of Standards and Technology already implicitly admitted it in their report which discusses the video of WTC-7 coming down shows 2.5 seconds of freefall with no internal structural report. The only way for that to happen is internal demolition charges, which simultaneously took out eight floors of internal supports.

There is no doubt about what happened to WTC-7 whatsoever.

CRAIG BARTMER NYPD: "I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying... Nothing to account for what we saw..."

You can even hear the firefighters telling everyone to move back because the building is going to be blown on CNN.

Blogger Phillip George September 12, 2016 5:52 AM  

When you wrote the WND piece you didn't know the about the CNN report. So now isn't it time to run with the new material - the lots of new material?

........to challenge the Karl Rove perspective..

We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

I say this for people like David Kelly and William Rodriguez who tried very hard to get that truth out and died for it... in David Kelly's instance trying to prevent the deaths of millions.

As a 6 days creationist I'm always going to try to pierce the jugular of the "irrational atheist"..

thanks Vox, go in peace.

Blogger Lazarus September 12, 2016 5:55 AM  

(((Feiglin))) explains why identity nationalism is required for survival (+ religion)

9/11: The Collapse of Civilization

Blogger Phillip George September 12, 2016 7:24 AM  

quote verbatim Lazarus,

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq"

Benjamin Netanyahu answering the question cui bono

the dead, not so much.

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 12, 2016 8:08 AM  

Phillip George wrote:http://www.s8int.com/article1-simple.html

Using our empirical rate to calibrate the mtDNA molecular clock would result in an age of the mtDNA MRCA of only ~6,500 y.a., clearly incompatible with the known age of modern humans.

The slightest bit of typing on Google Scholar finds that this references this paper by Parsons, et al. from all the way back in 1997.  A dogmatist will announce "HA!  Evolution is refuted!" and sit back, but a person with any amount of curiosity will keep digging to see what's turned up in the 19 years since then.

One needn't dig far, because this 2001 paper by Heyer et al. apparently resolves the conundrum:
Assuming a star-like phylogeny and an average time depth of 250 generations, we estimate the rates for HVI and HVII at 23 and 24 for the moderate sites and 1.3 and 1.0 for the slow sites. The fast, moderate, and slow sites, at the ratio of 1:2:13, respectively, describe the mutation-rate heterogeneity in the CR. Our results reconcile the controversial rate estimates in the phylogenetic and familial studies; the fast sites prevail in the latter, whereas the slow and moderate sites dominate the phylogenetic-rate estimations.
I note that the last-modified date on Nobles' page is "Monday, July 25, 2011 6:09:51 PM", so he has no excuse for asserting conclusions which were refuted 10 years before he last visited the issue.

Snidely Whiplash wrote:he's a particularly insistent fool fully convinced that his own high intelligence somehow trumps mine or that of several other Theists on this board
I'm smart enough to use Google Scholar, and you apparently are not.

:who refuses to see that his own inability to understand philosophy is not wisdom but a sort of autism.
"Let [philosophy] be silent when [data] gainsays its conclusions."

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 12, 2016 8:10 AM  

Sorry for the post.  I hadn't refreshed the page since I went to bed and hadn't seen #46 (I was in the middle of writing #50 when I called it quits).

Anonymous Mr. Rational September 12, 2016 8:33 AM  

VD wrote:The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the shit's hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom."
In controlled demolitions, the "boom boom boom" starts well before the collapse (example); you also see puffs of smoke and dust as the charges go off.  Noise during a collapse is consistent with large things falling onto other large things and little can be inferred from it.

You can even hear the firefighters telling everyone to move back because the building is going to be blown on CNN.
You could interview those people to ask them why they used those words; I would not be the least bit surprised if such interviews are on-line somewhere.  If you can find firefighters who were part of planting demolition charges in WTC 7, you've got yourself a real scoop </sarc>.  (They don't exist; it was just careless phrasing in the middle of a massive disaster.)

Steel-frame buildings are known to collapse in uncontrolled fires, and the collapse of WTC 1 and 2 took out the water main which fed the sprinklers for WTC 7.  Without water, the tower was going to come down period.

There is a blindness to people who hold to the inside job theory.  Fuel tankers crash into bridges and collapse them in the subsequent fires not infrequently, but despite the evidence that petroleum fire DOES collapse steel structures they continue to insist the opposite.  It's the same sort of mentality which forces SJWs to keep looking for the witch (racist) holding Black people's academic achievement down.  Just because it's not there doesn't remove their need for it.

Blogger vic September 12, 2016 9:10 AM  

Sorely missed at WND. I used to look forward to Mondays, but was left with Ilana Mercer on Friday. Now she's left, too, so there's little incentive to visit WND.

Anonymous BGKB September 12, 2016 2:22 PM  

OT: Somebody tell Trump to tell the debate moderators that they are not debaters. If

Someone tell TRUMP to ask Anderson Cooper why he likes moslem nations when he could be executed for saying he loves another adult male (would never happen), and if Bacha Bazi had anything to do with it.

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