Wednesday, March 08, 2017

News is Conspiracy Theory +15

Spacebunny joked yesterday that she was old enough to remember when Echelon was conspiracy theory. It has now become readily apparent that what used to be derided as "conspiracy theory" is nothing more than the news, 15 years early. Consider a few historical references from this blog.

The Patriot Act and the IAO are constitutional abominations. The War on Terror is being used exactly in the same way that the War on Drugs has been used for decades - to provide the federal government with the ability to infringe upon the liberty of the American people. Your house can get stormed with a no-knock raid if an anonymous telephone call accuses you of the wrong sort of botany project, and soon the same thing will be the case if you happen to visit the wrong web sites or use dangerous terminology in your emails. Echelon is still out there transcribing American faxes, emails and telephone calls, after all.
- October 22, 2003

The US government sees fit to eavesdrop on everyone inside and outside the United States with its Echelon system, but unlike a parent trying to raise a child, that level of oversight is necessary. Terrorists, don't you know. Why, without it, we wouldn't have caught bin Laden and prevented the 9/11 attacks....
- December 10, 2004

Arrived too late, the act has been done.
The wind was against them, letters intercepted on their way.
The conspirators were nine of a party.
By Caesar the Younger shall these enterprises be undertaken.

Echelon and the Bush administration's spying on Americans will be defended by the Supreme Court, should it ever get that far. Most likely, they'll do so by refusing to hear a challenge against it.
- January 3, 2006

CIALeaks proves, once and for all, that Edward Snowden is one of the greatest heroes in American history. One hopes that the God-Emperor will recognize this and offer him a pardon; it is the CIA that is far more of an enemy to the President and the American people than the Russians these days.

Even better, President Trump should appoint Snowden to be the head of the NSA and charge him with turning it into a government agency that is entirely compatible with the U.S. Constitution and rule by the people. #SnowdenForNSA

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Anonymous Looking Glass March 08, 2017 5:47 AM  

There's a double-level game to these things as well. With the clear issues of government spying on US Citizens, it got me thinking about a few arguments I had with some Leftists over the years.

The mid-2000s were so much better. We got into heated arguments about Library Records. Which aren't protected information. But I remember the Left making mini-crusades on the topic. I now understand why. The sucked the entire air out of the discussion of Section 215's actual usage by the Bush Administration that we spent time clearly arguing about Library Records. Brilliant PsyOps, that. The Left looks deranged to anyone with sense, and the Right doesn't notice they're being played.

Also, I think Echelon was acknowledged after the USSR collapsed in 1991. Or at least that's the first time I can recall hearing the name.

Anonymous Matthew McConnagay March 08, 2017 5:57 AM  

Totally off-topic: Vox (and friends), re: this (and I could've sworn I'd found that via VP but I can't find it here now, oh well): the author mentions how to persuade a so-called "status liberal":

Forget facts. They need to be convinced liberals are low status... Press the buttons. Liberals = losers, over and over again. Remember, they think they are above manipulation, so the more subtle you are the better (thats how the other side brainwashed them in the first place.)

How would one do this?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable March 08, 2017 6:17 AM  

"Snowden", said the resident pedant. Oh, wait, we have dozens of pedants ...

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable March 08, 2017 6:19 AM  

This book is a worthy successor to the ideas brought to us by both Lovecraft and Doyle.


Blogger VD March 08, 2017 6:19 AM  

"Snowden", said the resident pedant.

Fixed, thanks.

Anonymous Mister M March 08, 2017 6:21 AM  

"The Hour of the Time" went into these things in the 1990's. I remember it was all considered Conspiracy!! and not to be discussed among polite people.

The # of liberals discussing the latest data dump on FB this morning = 0. I have backed away from the platform...

Blogger Shimshon March 08, 2017 6:32 AM  

In the early 1980s, I read an article in Time (IIRC) about a forthcoming book called The Puzzle Palace, by James Bamford. It said the government wanted to ban the book because it had classified information. I believe it was the first book that delved (surprisingly) deeply into the NSA. Also the first widespread dissemination of even the existence of it. I knew right then and there that I had to own this book. I had that same copy until just recently when it was accidentally left out in the rain.

I can't remember for sure, but I think it mentioned (or hinted at) Echelon.

This was Bamford's first book on the NSA, and is highly recommended.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit March 08, 2017 6:37 AM  

I remember when msm started covering Bilderberg meetings openly after having denied its existence for decades and painting anyone who believed in it as tin-foil hat wearing conspiratrds without breaking stride...

The elites have been messing with culture since the dawn of time. I think this might be the first time in history we can see behind the curtain and see what a bunch of incompetent, perverted psychopaths they really are.

Clearly their tools (msm, Hollywood, public education, fiat currency) are still working on a portion of the population (ie libtards) but we have a chance to get out of their system as they reveal more and more, most notably the recent revelation that yes, "The Deep State" does exist and always has. They cannot do what they do openly, even the libtards wouldn't put up with it.

"We've always been at war with Esatasia."

Blogger Shimshon March 08, 2017 6:39 AM  

The InfoGalactic page on the book mentions that it blew open the existence of a relationship between NSA and GCHQ. The foundation of Echelon, even if not named. Major scoop by Bamford.

Anonymous Takin' a Look March 08, 2017 6:42 AM  

Yeah....Snowden is a Mischling (((traitor))) as bad as Aaron Schwartz. Goyim-souled (((Tribe))) are to be cast out into the outer darkness. Trump has already made deals to not make the (((chosen))) look TOO bad. How that's supposed to work out, who knows?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 08, 2017 6:42 AM  

I'm becoming convinced that the CIA and possibly the NSA will have to be broken up. There's an institutional culture in both to do anything they can get away with. It's a product of wartime-created organizations without a peacetime operations model.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 08, 2017 6:45 AM  

Anonymity and officially sanctioned secrecy (consented to by the slave-minded citizenry) are conditions that predictably produce tyranny.

The CIA (and "National Intelligence organs in their entirety) are an abomination, a "government within a government" since the end of World War Two.

Most men only wish for a just master. It appears that there will always be a slave state, the only question seems to be what form it takes.

Blogger Lazarus March 08, 2017 6:51 AM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:without a peacetime operations model.

What is this "peacetime" you speak of?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr March 08, 2017 7:00 AM  

@13: When you aren't supposed to play fast and loose with the rules. :-)

Also when the Navy and Marine Corps do the fighting. When you send the Army, it's a war.

Blogger Antony March 08, 2017 7:08 AM  

Slightly ot, but as we're on the subject of free speech and "conspiracy" - the CPS in Britain has chosen to re-open an old case ; CPS to re-examine "far right" activist for saying Jewish control should end ; - Whether you agree with this chap or not, I don't see how calling for an end to control is "hate speech", it is no different to calling for an end to Tory Party control,Labour Party control.Islamic control, Bankster or Globalist control etc, if you disagree with him, you just debate the issue - its called democracy.

He had already been investigated once, what caused them (or who caused them) to re-open the case ?

Anonymous BBGKB March 08, 2017 7:38 AM  

President Trump should appoint Snowden to be the head of the NSA and charge him with turning it into

Part of why we are in this mess is that shitlibs know the right wont use the same tools against them. TRUMP should say that one leftist org will get audited for every improper audit by Obomas peeons. It wont go away until TRUMP has the NSA bring out what politicians on both sides are being blackmailed on.

I had that same copy until just recently when it was accidentally left out in the rain.

The russians controlled the weather with global warming

I'm becoming convinced that the CIA and possibly the NSA will have to be broken up.

It would be the first big gay divorce

Blogger peter blandings March 08, 2017 7:38 AM  

are the darkstreams not to have commentary?

Anonymous CoolHand March 08, 2017 7:48 AM  

Antony wrote:He had already been investigated once, what caused them (or who caused them) to re-open the case ?

He didn't stop thinking and talking?

They'll have the poor bastard weeping for his love of Big Brother before it's all over.

Blogger Silly But True March 08, 2017 7:57 AM  

The Greenbrier was shut down. Cheyenne Mtn. ops mostly consolidated to base nect door. FEMA is really just an incompetent mechanism to dole out 4% low interest loans.

What's a proper conspiracy theorist to do?

Anonymous BBGKB March 08, 2017 7:58 AM  

A guided tour to the circles of the derp state

Blogger dc.sunsets March 08, 2017 8:08 AM  

The "Intelligence Overlord" will not go away, only its form may change.

That change will only come when the USA breaks apart. Until then, the organs of State Manipulation will only double down on their attempts to maintain the status quo (paradoxically adding to the centripetal forces pulling the country apart.)

No one ever gives up hegemonic power willingly.

This is why I prefer a monarchy to the illusion of caretaker/renter government that is inevitable whenever the common man is told that he, too, can rule (if only from the ballot box.) At least with a king we know who is living at our expense and can evaluate the cost/benefit ratio.

Anonymous Luke March 08, 2017 8:09 AM  

Trump should IMO pardon Assange as well as Snowden. He should START with Snowden, to be sure.
(And, when are we finally going to hear about 5+ year unshortenable prison sentences having been handed out to 300 libtard rioters on the same day?)

Blogger The Philosopher March 08, 2017 8:26 AM  

Yeah Snowden is a real hero. Watch Oliver Stone's movie. Through PRISM they can google everything you do online, on your phone etc.

Its for blackmail and minority reporting.

It also proves our elite are thugs no different from the Chinese ones. In fact the Chinese politburo are less troubling because at least they are the same race of man and are nationalistic.

The russian elite is more predatory, but after 60 years of Bolshevism, they are working through the jew aristocrats and expelling, poisoning or shunting them systematically.

That supercomputer in the Arizona desert is the epitome of tyranny by a foreign power over Americans.

Anonymous Grayman March 08, 2017 8:30 AM  

The most recent bond movie is probably close to how it works. The top players in the global intelligence agencies have more power than any president and can bring down all but the biggest fish. Simply due to the Intel and espionage tools they have that are secret from everyone but the other top Intel guys.

Even in a hypothetical monarchy you still have the issue of financiers and intelligence agencies subverting the crown.
Perhaps there is a "critical mass" beyond which any intelligence agency will co-opt it's parent government and as such the only protection is to keep your security organizations well below that critical mass.

Blogger Silly But True March 08, 2017 8:38 AM  

Grayman: "The most recent bond movie is probably close to how it works."

I think the one a couple movies prior is most correct. They see us all as victims to be tied to a chair and ball-pummeled until there's nothing left.

Blogger The Philosopher March 08, 2017 8:40 AM  

The spook agencies are very murky stuff. Traditionally those tools have so much unmitigated power that it draws all types of factions from the woodwork to fight over them.

If you read 'The Devil's Chessboard' you understand 5 general things about the Deep state:

1. It used to be controlled by the gentile aristocratic 400 richest families as a kind of secret police. They tried to get FDR overthrown with a fascist march led by 2 time MOH winner and 'greatest ever american soldier' Smedley Butler. That was memoryholed by their media under Hearst and their fellow who controlled Time/Life magazine.

2. It attracts psychopathic and criminally minded people. People like Dulles and Beria who have no empathy at all. And will lie, cheat, murder to serve their masters (not the President).

3. Every president since JFK has been a deep state patsy. When JFK fired Dulles and tired to reform the CIA he was removed. The book has 300 pages of evidence including confessions from some of the operatives.

4. There are factions. For example Hoover and Dulles never got along. Hoover had guys follow Dulles and Dulles tapped Hoover's phones for blackmaill. Joe McCarthy brought these two factions into direct confrontation when Hoover's senator started picking on the CIA. Clearly Hoover's faction lost the power struggle.

5. The apex of the Deep State is the American politiburo - The Council of Foreign Relations. Traidtionally this had been the Rockefellers, Dillons, Vanderbilts etc reserve. You can track Zion's rise to power by doing a racial analysis of its changing membership composition. Right now 75% of the CFR executive members are jewish.

Talbot stops his book at JFK. Nixon was introduced to politics by Dulles. He is Dulles handpicked patsy. The fact Nixon was removed in a coup means that is when Zion took control from the 400 in my mind. I can't be sure. Talbot obviously is allowed to publish this book bashing 'rich old white men' under the (((Harper Row))) imprint.

Talbot glosses over and completely ignores Zion throughout his book. I suspect an equivalent book from LBJ onwards would be a description of Zion's rise to power - the immigration act, Wall Street deregulation, the Yom Kippur War, America getting into the Mid East, Greenspan at the Fed and of course the brainwashing that began since Magic Negro King to say 'no such thing as race', 'women should be men', 'bow to magic negro and feel sorry for your sins goyim'.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville March 08, 2017 8:41 AM  

while I'd also like to see the IC gutted, it won't happen. Assange's proliferation comment about all these tools now being in the wild are apt. Nobody has uninvented the nuke bombs, and I don't see the IC being uninvented either. So the question that comes is will Trump take up this extremely powerful tool and use it against the globalist libtards?

Blogger The Philosopher March 08, 2017 8:44 AM  

Yes, when I first started looking at conspiracy sites in 2003 and reflect on it now, most of it turned out to be true but somewhat exaggerated maybe or wrong on some detail. was a pioneer.

I used to think the Zion stuff was crazy. Now I think Rense didn't go far enough. They do control everything. But most especially what we find 'good' and 'evil'. That's the most pernicious element of Zion's Illusion - the fact we think we know who the bad guys are from our school textbooks, movies, tv shows and of course, mass media. Hahahah.


Blogger Lovekraft March 08, 2017 8:53 AM  

The way things are going, with socialist policies proven to be completely destructive and anti-freedom, the future of the west is either to keep dumbing down the education system so that people aren't aware of the corruption, or breaking the system up and bringing forth true leaders.

Not much room for middle ground. A tranny wants to run for president on a solid, verifiable economic/jobs platform will be when the universes collide.

Anonymous BBGKB March 08, 2017 8:56 AM  

News as parody:

If i told you shitlibs would put a statue of a girl standing in nanny scold possition in front of the Wall Street bull which represents good economic markets would you believe me?

Blogger pyrrhus March 08, 2017 8:59 AM  

Wikileaks dump on the Umbrage program, which uses your own devices to spy on you, from Stilton.
The whole "Russian hacking" story has been rendered moot by the revelation that the CIA has a program called UMBRAGE which not only allows them to hack computers, but to make it look like the hacking was done by someone else. Like, oh, Russia. Meaning there's no definitive evidence that the real Russia hacked DNC emails at all.

Anonymous Grayman March 08, 2017 9:07 AM  

Perhaps the next step will be evolutional... Take an AI agent and have it mimick your personality, have it act as a mimick though all aspect of the digital world and possibly the physical world as well. That isnt far fetched, I have read recent papers on AI agents that are currently being worked with.
The challenge is probably more in building "hardened" AI agents and a way to verify they are "virgin" AI's not corrupted by backdoors and outside influences.

AI Agents being as common as cell phones could seriously shake the game up in the same way that the internet is disrupting traditional media. Time will tell

Blogger JACIII March 08, 2017 9:11 AM  

All your conspiracy are us.


Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 08, 2017 9:15 AM  

May be related to this:

New UK definition of "anti-semitism" is sufficiently vague and broad-based to include pretty much anyone hated and/ or feared by the Tribe.

Blogger dc.sunsets March 08, 2017 9:23 AM  

@24 @26 There always was and always will be the rulers and the ruled. What we see today is an artifact of the phenomenal wealth brought into being by collaboration among the productive on a scale never before imagined, and thus we have PARASITIC organizations on a similarly unimaginable scale.

The parasites are part of the ecosystem. The better the lives of the proles, the more parasitic will become the ecosystem.

I see no way around this.

Anonymous Avalanche March 08, 2017 9:28 AM  

@11 "It's a product of wartime-created organizations without a peacetime operations model."

This guy (Dr. Thomas Barnett; chief analyst of WikiStrat) has a very persuasive idea for the "peacetime operations model": splitting and reassigning the military/State Dept to prevent the kinds of insanely destructive horror-shows "we" have created all over the world. I haven't a deep enough grounding in history to decide if he's as good as he sounds or not. (I'd welcome comment on it, to help me figure it out.)

Thomas Barnett: Rethinking America's military strategy (25 min.)

The Pentagon's New Map (83 min.)

Good Morning World, Dr. Thomas Barnett (September 19, 2013) (69 min.)

Anonymous Avalanche March 08, 2017 9:30 AM  

@19 "FEMA is really just an incompetent mechanism to dole out 4% low interest loans.
What's a proper conspiracy theorist to do?"

Apply for a loan?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 08, 2017 9:32 AM  

"Part of why we are in this mess is that shitlibs know the right wont use the same tools against them. TRUMP should say that one leftist org will get audited for every improper audit by Obomas peeons."

Everyone's heard that one of the things that made Nixon the evilest evil ever was that he used the IRS against political opponents, yet how many know that he was retaliating for politically-motivated IRS harassment of people on his side? Ownership of the megaphone, and willingness to use it to shape the narrative in your own people's favor, rather than in vain pursuit of "objectivity," is huge.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey March 08, 2017 9:36 AM  


"This is why I prefer a monarchy to the illusion of caretaker/renter government"

A certain group seems to hate Christian monarchies even more than they hate secular Arab dictators. Presumably there's a reason for that.

Anonymous Avalanche March 08, 2017 9:46 AM  

@32 "Take an AI agent and have it mimic your personality, have it act as a mimic though all aspect of the digital world and possibly the physical world as well."

This video (a bit long for its point, but worth the time for the demonstration!) Shows they already can "mimic" anyone they want to. And if this is the 'public' version, you wanna bet the IC-owned version is massively better?

Why is Julian Assange Still Missing? (26 min.)

Blogger Dave March 08, 2017 9:49 AM  

This book is a worthy successor to the ideas brought to us by both Lovecraft and Doyle.

I clicked this link to see where it went and discovered it's the book I'm currently enjoying and hope to finish today. The debut novels Castalia House has published continue to surprise and amaze me. I highly recommend them to everyone; from The Stars Came Back, Loki's Child, The Missionaries, An Equation of Almost Infinite Complexity, and now Six Expressions of Death.

At first glance I had thought the link was from the Babymetal post. For all we know, Mojo Mori is a huge fan of Babymetal, or not.

Anonymous Ron March 08, 2017 10:10 AM  

"Even better, President Trump should appoint Snowden to be the head of the NSA and charge him with turning it into a government agency that is entirely compatible with the U.S. Constitution and rule by the people."

The truth is the government - Obama, Trump, republican , democratic etc - doesn't matter -- is not doing their job if they are not using every possible means to keep the US nation safe and secure and at the top. That means tapping phones, monitoring the internet and the occasional assassination - That Nationalism at its core .... that's the natural conclusion of the alt right position on nationalism -- maybe you still harbor some libertarian ideals after all...

Anonymous Shut up rabbit March 08, 2017 10:23 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:At least with a king we know who is living at our expense and can evaluate the cost/benefit ratio.

Unfortunately, since The French Revolution they know that kings are an obvious target once their excesses become known to the public. Since then the elites have kept their perversions in the shadows and used politicians as distractions and puppets.

Blogger IM2L844 March 08, 2017 11:09 AM  

Mike Flynn for FBI director. If he didn't before, he gets it now.

Blogger Gapeseed March 08, 2017 12:06 PM  

Maybe it would make sense to have term limits for all intelligence management, and not just for directors like Comey. Make it a few years before management must rotate out of the intelligence community altogether. Exempt the field agents to ensure some kind of continuity. I can imagine problems with this solution obvious and otherwise (particularly with former management selling secrets), but it would be palliative for the problem of Deep Burrowing.

Anonymous J kerr March 08, 2017 12:12 PM  

Doesn't anyone else see this call to reform the US intelligence community is a Russian plot to reduce our capabilities ? Do you think the Russians or the Chinese follow any rules ? Where's Fred when we need him ?

Blogger Aeoli Pera March 08, 2017 12:23 PM  

200 years from now Snowden will be a hero, and there will be movies about how he was actually a black woman.

Blogger Merlinus March 08, 2017 12:45 PM  

The wikileaks release is fascinating. But a bit confusing. So what, the story now is that the CIA hacked the DNC and Podesta, turned the files over Wikileaks but added digital fingerprints to make it look like the Russians did it. Then the FBI delivered the killing blow by reopening the Clinton email case with material from Weiner's laptop.

And now the CIA is leaking information about Trump's Russia connections.

So what....the deep state is orchestrating a coup by removing both Clinton and Trump?

Blogger wgmeisheid March 08, 2017 1:03 PM  

They are not as competent as is assumed or as incompetent as sometime appears. The older the organization the more inertia defines not just its edges but a creeping paralysis throughout. Breaking things up only serves to re-energize the paradigm without the previous inertia. Be careful what you ask for.

Blogger Gapeseed March 08, 2017 1:11 PM  

We might be making the mistake of seeing the IC as a monolith.

I can imagine that there are some very good people in the Deep State who were appalled at the thought of a Hillary presidency and endeavored to take her out. Maybe that action prompted another faction to act against Trump. To the outside observer, it seems the Deep State is looking for supremacy over all actors, when in fact it is deeply divided against itself using intelligence methods almost unimaginable not long ago.

Donald Rumsfeld once ruminated about known knowables, unknown knowables, and unknown unknowables. Unfortunately for us, I think most of this stuff will forever fall in the unknown unknowables bin.

Anonymous Mike Rock March 08, 2017 1:48 PM  

@29, Lovecraft

I am up to the 'sixties' in The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America: A Chronological Paper Trail
Book by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt. It is scary...forking scary... what 'they' have in mind for us and our future. This goes back to the first weeks of the twentieth century. All the documentation she presents is accurate as far as I have found by searching the odd references. Read it and prepare. The preparations of the other side have worked out very well for them, so far.

Blogger tublecane March 08, 2017 3:42 PM  

@31-The reaction I saw from arch-media neocon Charles Krauthammer--besides lamenting our poor intelligence community, which has lost a decade of hard, necessary, and patriotic work by these revelations--wasn't, "Oh, maybe I was wrong about Russia." It was, "Isn't the CIA clever to use elevated language like 'umbrage?'" If the alt-right were in charge instead of spook Mandarins, the program would be called "Boner Patrol" or "Hitler Was Right," or something. That's what matters to Chucky K.

Blogger Joe March 08, 2017 8:14 PM  

@50 Lots of good points. When outsiders look at an organization, they generally see that organization as a monolith. However, insiders see the organization differently. Consider, Catholicism. Outsiders see a monolith. Insiders roll their eyes and sigh deeply in response. No amount of rational discourse will convince certain outsiders (Dispensationalists like Hagee for example) of the errors of their perceptions/beliefs. This is even more true regarding the Deep State. Catholics have a catechism laying out and explaining their beliefs, still people misrepresent and misunderstand them. The Deep State has no catechism so there is no clear doctrine to examine/study. But the Deep State is a human construct, because of this it is not a monolithic thing. It is divided. Myself, I believe it is at war with itself. Mans internal order or disorder is always projected outward. This is true on a personal level, it is also true on an organizational level. The Deep State order/disorder is being projected outward.

Anonymous Mr. Rational March 08, 2017 11:32 PM  

Avalanche wrote:"What's a proper conspiracy theorist to do?"

Apply for a loan?

You don't know how this game is played.  You get some patsy to apply for the loan, preferably putting up a down payment.  You sell them something that will soon be worth much less than the value of the loan, pocket a substantial profit, and rinse and repeat.

@45  Like beating swords into plowshares, if you destroy institutional knowledge you automatically lose to those who do not.

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