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Tuesday, April 11, 2017

The end of civic nationalism: literary edition

Steve Sailer notes that even an SJW version of the 88 books that shaped America tends to demolish the 20th century civic nationalist construct:
I like lists, so here is the 2012 Library of Congress list of 88 Books that Shaped America. It’s not supposed to be the best books, but the most influential, with lots of non-literary works. Despite obvious biases like blacks being vastly better represented than in reality, it’s not a bad list.

A few comments:

- Benjamin Franklin wrote 3 of the 88 books. The only other author with more than one book on the list is Harriet Beecher Stowe with 1.5.

- You can see the role of identity politics taking over as the list gets closer to the present. The last book on the list, one I had never heard of existing before now, was no doubt thrown on in panic when the list-makers realized they hadn’t checked a certain demographically sizable (but culturally insignificant) box.

- One striking thing is the lack of influence of Catholic writers until fairly recently.... This is in contrast to England, where Catholic writers, such as Alexander Pope, pop up even during eras of oppression. And America mostly lacks a literary tradition of converts to Catholicism, like Newman, Hopkins, Chesterton, Waugh, and Greene in England.

- Jewish writers were not major literary figures until roughly after WWII....

- Overall, the weight of Protestants on American culture is pretty overwhelming until the mid-20th Century. So, you can see why there is such a strong urge to retcon American history with heapings of Ellis Island Nation of Immigrants schmaltz to inflate the reputations of the ancestors of today’s top dogs.
Steve is nicer than I am, so he tends to say the same thing rather more politely. Translation: American culture is a white and Protestant culture. Period.

It's not a nation of immigrants. It's not a melting pot. It never was. And anyone who tells you otherwise is not only lying, but is usually doing so for reasons related to identity and self-interest.

Z-man's comment indubitably won the Internet today: Maybe they should pick the 14 that really stand out.

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140 Comments:

Anonymous Settle down, Beavis April 11, 2017 3:14 AM  

They said "88", snork.

Blogger Wanderer April 11, 2017 3:33 AM  

If you want one book that really shaped America then look no further than The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

Blogger Shane Sullivan April 11, 2017 3:38 AM  

@2 I think that impacted Henry Ford the most.

Blogger weka April 11, 2017 4:46 AM  

I was more influenced by Solzhenitsyn, Schaeffer and Tolkien. Of the native in my land, James K Baxter.

Since I am a new Zealander, I don't care about the value of any USA list.

Blogger SteelPalm April 11, 2017 4:56 AM  

Steve is nicer than I am

Nicer than I am, too. It's a shit list. Judged by any sensible criteria.

A 1796 cookbook that no one has ever heard is one of the 88 most influential books in American history, moreso than countless works by Steinbeck, Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Hemingway, etc?

Apparently so, all because it was written by a woman.

Don't even get me started on the laughable works by "black" (in DuBois' case, for instance, 50-75% white and 25-50% black) writers. What rubbish.

I have yet to come across a single quality book written by a black author.

I liked Sailer's humorous quips, though. And I also had no idea that Joseph Heller was Jewish. Wow.

Blogger Lovekraft April 11, 2017 5:43 AM  

If you think that's bad, wait until the purging takes hold and the new literature has the Islamic taint to it - a combination of Soviet-style propaganda and logic-busting narrative.

Anonymous Carlos Danger April 11, 2017 5:46 AM  

I would submit the Catholic piece of the American canon comes via England and is so elemental to the entire construct that it is rendered invisible. Milton belongs there every bit as much as Franklin. Protestantism is an off shoot of Catholicism and could not exist without its underlying theology. Catholics have been in the US from the very beginning. Lord Baltimore for example. Lafayette, although a Free Mason, was also a nominal Catholic.

Anonymous Carlos Danger April 11, 2017 5:49 AM  

@Wanderer and the Protocols were written by a fallen Catholic- Adam Weisshaupt under contract to the Rothschilds.

Blogger Koanic April 11, 2017 5:51 AM  

The Communists have picked their books.

Now let them read them.

Blogger Hazim April 11, 2017 6:07 AM  

Oh gyaaaawd, here come the Catholic Spergs again.....

OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 6:08 AM  

...wait until the purging takes hold and the new literature has the Islamic taint to it.

There's no such thing as "Islamic literature". Muslims are allowed to have only one book, and even then they're only allowed to memorize it by rote, not read it for meaning.

I have yet to come across a single quality book written by a black author.

Ellison's "Invisible Man" is a legit 20th-century classic. In general American Blacks punch very much above their third-world low-IQ weight in literature. E.g., they read and write much more (and better quality) than Mexicans, for example.

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 11, 2017 6:10 AM  

Z-man's comment indubitably won the Internet today: Maybe they should pick the 14 that really stand out.

POW! - right in the kisser

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 11, 2017 6:15 AM  

"I have yet to come across a single quality book written by a black author."

Thomas Sowell?

Blogger SteelPalm April 11, 2017 6:29 AM  

@11 Ellison's "Invisible Man" is a legit 20th-century classic.

Read it, hated it. Trash.

Admittedly, it was still better than Their Eyes Were Watching God, A Raisin in the Sun, Things Fall Apart, and some of the other dire shit dubbed "classic African-American literature".

In general American Blacks punch very much above their third-world low-IQ weight in literature. E.g., they read and write much more (and better quality) than Mexicans, for example.

I'm not an expert on Mexican literature, so I can't say either way. But overall, there are a number of great Hispanic and Spanish-language writers.

Marquez (Colombia), Borges (Argentina), and Neruda (Chile), among others. No black writer in the US or Africa is in the same universe as any of those.

@13

Thomas Sowell?

I meant works of fiction. My mistake in writing "book". And yeah, I like Sowell.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 11, 2017 6:47 AM  

Looking at the list, I'd say the last four books were zero or close to zero in their cultural impact.

Cosmos by Carl Sagan was nothing but service to science fetishism that was already in place.

Beloved
And the Band Played On. Both of these are the kind of books that SJWs only pretend that they have read them.

Basically the people that "read" these, look through Cliff's Notes and read the first and last chapter while at B&N sipping bad latte.

And Steve is right about the last one, even the SJWs never heard of it before now.

OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 6:52 AM  

Read it, hated it. Trash.

That's your trauma speaking from being forced to live with nigs. Taken at face value as a literary work it's a great novel. (As a bonus it also includes practically the only accurate and critical depiction of American Communism.)

Marquez (Colombia), Borges (Argentina), and Neruda (Chile), among others.

These are white Spaniards who happened to be located in the western hemisphere, so not really relevant to the question.

No black writer in the US or Africa is in the same universe as any of those.

Can't lump them together, American Blacks are a very verbal culture where even the 80-IQ nigs play intricate language games, while Africans are illiterates who don't even grasp the concept of reading.


Anonymous EH April 11, 2017 7:04 AM  

Very odd list. They couldn't find another 12 of that quality to make it a round 100? It leaves out Poe! Mark Twain had more than one good book. Apparently almost the only non-fiction authors worth honoring were women who wrote cookbooks. The list is just a snapshot of the present politics and idiosyncratic obsessions of some librarians with cushy gigs.

Anonymous Cheshirych April 11, 2017 7:05 AM  

I am disappointed and annoyed that their list failed to include Frank Baum and Alan Milne.
This omission is retarded.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 11, 2017 7:06 AM  

The list maker's choices for science fiction were telling.

Tarzan
Fahrenheit 451
Stranger in a Strange Land

Apparently the Big Three of SF so far as the Library of Congress are concerned are Rice Burroughs, Bradbury and Heinlein.

And you know...maybe. In terms of cultural impact you can make a strong argument for it.


(*Footnote: Yes, I saw Atlas Shrugged was on the list but no one ever thinks of that as Science Fiction even though it clearly is.*)

Anonymous Cheshirych April 11, 2017 7:06 AM  

Scratch out Milne, he is English. Damn it, i was so sure he is american.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 11, 2017 7:08 AM  

@18

L. Frank Baum, “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz” (1900) NONE


Ctrl+F is your friend, dude.

Blogger Connie Anonny April 11, 2017 7:20 AM  

Happy to see E.B. White there. But I note that most of the latter selections are more about shaping liberal attitudes, which of course shapes the nation and follows the general ID politics Sailer points out.

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 11, 2017 7:23 AM  

OT: Google Accused of 'Extreme' Gender Pay Discrimination By US Labor Department. Anyone out there dreaming up an Alt-Tech replacement?

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2017 7:31 AM  

The first "SF" novel I ever read at age six was "At the Earth's Core," by Burroughs, and before I was seven I had read the first three "Tarzan" books in series.

Blogger VD April 11, 2017 7:40 AM  

Scratch out Milne, he is English. Damn it, i was so sure he is american.

Read his children's poetry. It's very good. And you never would have imagined for a second that he was American if you had.

Blogger SteelPalm April 11, 2017 7:42 AM  

@16 That's your trauma speaking from being forced to live with nigs.

Haha, a cute assumption, but I've never had to live around any blacks. Thankfully.

I've mainly had to live with large numbers of Asians and Hispanics. Speaking of which, even something inconsequential like local Hispanic writer Gary Soto's memoirs Living up the Street is still much better than virtually all of "African-American literature".

Taken at face value as a literary work it's a great novel. (As a bonus it also includes practically the only accurate and critical depiction of American Communism.)

I found the writing mediocre, with nothing especially entertaining or remotely interesting in terms of ideas.

You're free to like it, but it doesn't make a difference for me in finding a quality work of fiction by a black writer.

These are white Spaniards who happened to be located in the western hemisphere, so not really relevant to the question.

To a point. Borges can be considered a descendant of purely white Spaniard stock. But Marquez and Neruda certainly weren't. Even if they had more white blood in them than most Colombians and Chileans, respectively.

Can't lump them together, American Blacks are a very verbal culture where even the 80-IQ nigs play intricate language games, while Africans are illiterates who don't even grasp the concept of reading.

If that's the case, why are all the black poets (Langston Hughes, Maya Angelou) such miserable, incompetent failures? The poster children for affirmative action in literature?

Blogger Whisker biscuit April 11, 2017 7:49 AM  

No Poe or Lovecraft?

Blogger dienw April 11, 2017 7:57 AM  

The King James Bible even the Geneva Bible would have been an honest entry.
No Whitman or Sandburg. No Bulfinch's Mythology. No Man Without a Country.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 11, 2017 7:58 AM  

The King James Bible even the Geneva Bible would have been an honest entry.

Neither were written by Americans.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2017 7:59 AM  

Note... Mark Twain is not on the list. Neither is Louis L'armour. I fail to see how one can argue that a book virtually know one has read... like Their Eyes Were Watching God... was more influential than quintessentially american books read by damn near everyone... and the entire genre of Westerns.

but yeah... i know... these are supposed to be the most influential books.

But then if that's true... where is Rules for Radicals?

Blogger dienw April 11, 2017 8:00 AM  

Then there is Whittaker Chamber's Witness.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2017 8:00 AM  

"No Poe or Lovecraft?"

no. because racis.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2017 8:00 AM  

would have been hilarious if someone would've snuck Morals and Dogma on the list...

Blogger tuberman April 11, 2017 8:03 AM  

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Blogger dienw April 11, 2017 8:05 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:The King James Bible even the Geneva Bible would have been an honest entry.

Neither were written by Americans.


The title of Sailor's article is 88 Books that Shaped America.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 11, 2017 8:06 AM  

@27

I can understand leaving out Lovecraft since this list is supposed to be about "Books that Shaped America" however excluding The Raven is inexcusable.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 11, 2017 8:11 AM  

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Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) April 11, 2017 8:11 AM  

The title of Sailor's article is 88 Books that Shaped America.

If you had clicked through to the library of Congress site, you would have found this:

“This list is a starting point,” said Librarian of Congress James H. Billington. “It is not a register of the ‘best’ American books – although many of them fit that description. Rather, the list is intended to spark a national conversation on books written by Americans that have influenced our lives, whether they appear on this initial list or not.”

Blogger Nate April 11, 2017 8:16 AM  

a starting point...

to a conversation about how stupid the people at the Library of Congress are.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 11, 2017 8:18 AM  

@Nate

Huckleberry Finn is on the list.

Although to my mind Tom Sawyer would have been a better choice. I will grant that Huckleberry is the the better book but I think Tom Sawyer is the more influential. There was time every American boy dreamed of being best friends with Tom.

And you're right there is no Louis L'Amour although they did include Zane Grey.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 11, 2017 8:21 AM  

God being an Englishman, of course.

Blogger Nate April 11, 2017 8:29 AM  

"And you're right there is no Louis L'Amour although they did include Zane Grey."

WELL THANK GOD THEY INCLUDED THE HUGELY INFLUENCIAL:

Idaho: A guide in Words and Pictures

I mean God knows that shaped countless American lives.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 11, 2017 8:31 AM  

"You can see the role of identity politics taking over as the list gets closer to the present."

That's actually key, indicating that civic nationalism worked well enough until the left first attempted to assassinate it, then conscripted the right to do the assassination for them.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 11, 2017 8:31 AM  

Dr. Seuss, “The Cat in the Hat” made it on the list but "Green Eggs and Ham" is nowhere to be seen. This truly is an injustice.

The pain my parents felt when I was four years old as they read about the green eggs and ham for the ten thousandth time must be balanced with the deserved literary acclaim inclusion on this list would denote.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 11, 2017 8:59 AM  

The thing about publishing a list is that you have to include a few obvious mistakes, so people will talk about your list.

Anonymous Silly but True April 11, 2017 9:00 AM  

OT: "Libya: Making Africa Great Again!"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration

OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 9:22 AM  

If that's the case, why are all the black poets (Langston Hughes, Maya Angelou) such miserable, incompetent failures? The poster children for affirmative action in literature?

No offense, but all anglophone poetry is miserably incompetent. There's no native folk tradition of anglophone poetry (or at least it is long lost to history), and the tortured, ridiculous attempts to import continental styles into English syntax are horrendous.

I'd prefer Angelou and such, at least their turkey jive is entertaining. (Not that I'd willingly read either.)

Blogger Were-Puppy April 11, 2017 9:23 AM  

@24 tuberman
The first "SF" novel I ever read at age six was "At the Earth's Core," by Burroughs, and before I was seven I had read the first three "Tarzan" books in series.
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Great stuff there. I'm thinking of going on an ERB binge in the near future.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 11, 2017 9:24 AM  

@27 Whisker biscuit
No Poe or Lovecraft?
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No Bierce or Howard either.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 11, 2017 9:26 AM  

Have they never heard of the Library of America?
They've been doing this sort of thing for years now.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 11, 2017 9:50 AM  

"47. OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 9:22 AM
...
No offense, but all anglophone poetry is miserably incompetent. There's no native folk tradition of anglophone poetry (or at least it is long lost to history), and the tortured, ridiculous attempts to import continental styles into English syntax are horrendous.

I'd prefer Angelou and such, at least their turkey jive is entertaining. (Not that I'd willingly read either.)
"



You sound like an English major or literature major of some kind. None of these books were written for you. So go back to academia and don't bother the normal people with your pretensions. They really don't want to hear it.

Anonymous BBGKB April 11, 2017 9:55 AM  

With multiple cookbooks maybe I should publish "Barbeque Sauces for Faggots that Can't Cook" to get in on the next list.

And I also had no idea that Joseph Heller was Jewish. Wow

Just like the Columbine shooters.

: Yes, I saw Atlas Shrugged was on the list but no one ever thinks of that as Science Fiction even though it clearly is.*)

It became non fiction when Rob Mook was Crooked Eye Clintons press secretary. People used to complain her villains where to 2 dimensional to be realistic

That's actually key, indicating that civic nationalism worked well enough until the left first attempted to assassinate it,

Lets pretend that going from 95+% non wetback white to 60% had no effect.

Blogger Gapeseed April 11, 2017 10:06 AM  

Bonfire of the Vanities is a glaring omission.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky April 11, 2017 10:10 AM  

Seeing that the list is produced by the Library of Congress, Steve's point is even more remarkable. The Library of Congress is a converged institution, so you'd expect the list to get political and swayed by identity politics. It clearly has, the fingerprints of that are all over it. But that's yet not enough to suppress the truth of the overwhelming WASP nature of the American culture and experience.

I'm thankful for this piece, I'll bookmark it and put in my arsenal. I've been making it a point to counter this use of the common claim that we're a "Judeo-Christian" nation. People, often allies, will throw this out there reflexively, and that's understandable thanks to the patterns of common speech uses. So I've been trying to disrupt that and get them to think about what that exactly means.

Here's a question related to this list I've been trying to dig a little research on. When was the Mishnah first published in the US? This is a difficult question to answer compared to the ease of when was the first bible published in the US, for example. As far as I can tell, the first English edition was published in Cambridge, England, 1833. First US English edition published in New York, 1933. Hebrew editions in the US also from around this time.

Furthermore, I haven't found any evidence that any Founding Father ever quoted it or mentioned it. And I haven't found evidence that any Founding Father (or any US President) could read Hebrew.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl April 11, 2017 10:14 AM  

@11 and @14

Agreed on those books. If there was an contender for black literature, I'd put "Contending Forces" by Gloria Hopkins somewhere. She was a black writer who wrote about the grievance industry sham in the late 1800s and early 1900s. She wanted black folks to learn trades and improve their own communities.

Can't imagine why she doesn't end up on any lists, even though the book was quite popular...

@51

English lit programs tend to hate English literature. Unless, of course, it's commie at its core.

Anonymous Fred April 11, 2017 10:19 AM  

The exasperating thing about African-American literature is that pretty much all that black authors write about, is being black. When you think of some of the great American novels, one is about the whaling industry, one is about a guy who transforms his identity by turning into a rich guy, and one is about the development of the V-2 rocket. The major black novels are about being black, being black, being black, and being black. I think Langston Hughes wrote some stuff about being in the merchant marines, but aside from that......

Since the list is about books that shaped America, you could actually make the argument that Their Eyes Were Watching God actually did help to shape America, despite the fact that no one actually reads it, because its mere existence helped shape the attitudes of generations of irritating twits who put it on their shelf so it can be noticed, and hey, they're part of America, too. The book probably didn't even need to be actually written, all it needed was a title like that and an author's name like that, and bingo. I wouldn't be surprised if you actually opened a copy and it was all blank pages. Though somebody who wasn't stupid once told me that another of her books was pretty good. Who knows.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl April 11, 2017 10:20 AM  

And on the Catholicism note - the English were largely Anglican which, as Protestant religions go, retained a lot of Catholic traditions. Some other Protestant sects like Lutheranism retained some Catholic stuff too, which may provide some insight into early American culture. Even the old school Scottish Presbyterianism incorporated elements from Catholicism. That may be where some of the "lack of Catholicism" comes from - it's not direct, but a foundational influence.

However, the US was, until recently, overwhelmingly Protestant. No surprise that the list would reflect that.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl April 11, 2017 10:26 AM  

@56 Fred

Yeah, that always bugged me too. It is really hard to find black literature on the "important" lists that aren't much more than "what it's like to be black in AMERIKKKA."

But it's the same with many identity authors. Most women's lit books are about their genitals, for example. Or their dads and how much their dads sucked for setting curfews.

As for Hurston - I remember I had to read some of her stuff for a class a long time ago. The writing was good in the sense it was competent - but I don't remember at all what it was about. It's a bookshelfer, as you said.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 11, 2017 10:30 AM  

@ Nate

Hey! Idaho is cool!

...

okay...

...no...no it isn't...

Anonymous Fred April 11, 2017 10:34 AM  

There's one novel by a black writer, whose name escapes me, that sounds interestingly weird, it's about a sort of crazy war between competing groups of elevator inspectors. That sounds at least original. But I doubt it shaped America.

OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 10:51 AM  

The exasperating thing about African-American literature is that pretty much all that black authors write about, is being black.

Not quite. USA Blacks are very fond of Aesopian language, something that White Americans can't grasp at all.

For example, if you care to look it's obvious that Toni Morrison only ever writes about how feminism enables crazy bitches to emasculate men, and it flies completely over the head of White readership (especially liberal idiots) who can't register the constant low-key dogshistles in her books.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 11, 2017 10:59 AM  

@61 anonymos-coward

Someone besides lesbian feminists reads Toni Morrison?

BTW the word may be a typo but dogshistles is great.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable April 11, 2017 11:02 AM  

... who can't register the constant low-key dogshistles in her books.

Reminds me I've got some dogshistle to clean up out back ...

Blogger Karl April 11, 2017 11:17 AM  

Even our brain dead elites are starting to wake up. Not that they know what the solution is.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/gorski-civil-religion/521751/

Depending on who you’re talking to, the story of America’s founding may be told very differently. Some liberals might describe a nation animated by secular Enlightenment values, where freedom from religion is just as important as freedom of religion. And some conservatives might point to the country’s so-called Judeo-Christian heritage, with the Bible as its foundational text.

Both of these stories are wrong, according to Phil Gorski, a professor of sociology and religious studies at Yale. In his new book, American Covenant, Gorski argues that these opposing stories are the basis of the culture wars: They’ve made it difficult for people to believe they can still share civic values even if they don’t share other beliefs.

The more accurate story of America is one of “civil religion,” Gorski writes, that cherishes a founding myth and agreed-upon set of civic values and responsibilities. Understanding America’s tradition of civil religion is important for reviving the “vital center,” as he calls it: “believers and nonbelievers, Republicans and Democrats who support a moderate form of secularism and a liberal form of nationalism.” This is “not a mushy middle that splits the difference between left and right,” he says, nor does it “purport to be a ‘third way’ that ‘transcends’ debate.” Rather, the project is about re-learning how to talk to one another and establishing a set of shared principles derived from American history.

Anonymous Jack Amok April 11, 2017 11:32 AM  

No John Muir?

As far as Spaniards living in the Western Hemisphere, they have those in Mexico too, but how come all the ones who write appear to live in South America?

Blogger CM April 11, 2017 11:51 AM  

Johnston Mcculley should be on that list before Chavez.

Blogger jdwalker April 11, 2017 11:55 AM  

It would be interesting to determine the actual list of the most influential books. Something that takes into account citations, references, sales figures, etc.

Blogger Lucas April 11, 2017 12:07 PM  

OT: Vox, it would be nice if the flabby-chinned (((Tim Wise))) accepted to debate you. I follow his FB page and it is blood boiling.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 12:08 PM  

anonymos-coward wrote:No offense, but all anglophone poetry is miserably incompetent. There's no native folk tradition of anglophone poetry (or at least it is long lost to history), and the tortured, ridiculous attempts to import continental styles into English syntax are horrendous.
Robert Service and Poe will come 'round later to kick your ass and drink your liquor. Service'd fuck your girlfriend too, if you were man enough to attract a good-looking woman.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people? What kind of

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 11, 2017 12:08 PM  

Leftards upset and nervous that immigration law is actually being enforced.

Fusion dot net: 367 immigrants swept up in raids Especially like the word "abducted" in the context of being arrested for crimes committed.

Also the word "Latinx" is now definitely a thing in the SJW lexicon.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 12:11 PM  

oops...
What kind of pussy writes something liek that sneering over-the-top crap?

"I'm so much smarter than you, I've read crappy mediaeval French chansons and they are sooooo much better, well actually soooo much more fawning to patrons and sucking up to nobility than English, excuse me, "Anglophone" poetry."
I mean, have you ever actually read that crap? It's awful.

Take your sneering Lit class bullshit and fuck right off.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 12:13 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:As far as Spaniards living in the Western Hemisphere, they have those in Mexico too, but how come all the ones who write appear to live in South America?
It's hard for good writing to get published in a country that only reads telenovelas and sex comics.

Anonymous 43rd Virginia Cavalry April 11, 2017 12:20 PM  

I see that they included The Federalist but left out the Anti-Federalist, there would be no Bill of Rights without them.

Blogger Vanished friend April 11, 2017 12:25 PM  

"Intersectionality Pokemon Points" is just perfect, it really is what they play so, so ****ing seriously. It's not just a HBD-ers hateful parody. It's really a trading card game to them. Let's literally make it one. I would buy the table game and play it if a parody (but-not-really-a-parody) version of it were manufactured. Could even have a Poe's Law press-your-luck deck of chance cards where one has to play fun subgames like SJW-or-Nazi.

Blogger Vanished friend April 11, 2017 12:40 PM  

The parody stand-in for Psyduck would be a crucial one to catch, his special attack being the confusion of cognitive dissonance when a player gets stuck by a random privilege characteristic which leeches points from his/her/its Intersectional Pokemon.

If you do it right, then at first a certain amount of SJW will wind up playing it unironically, praising it as an awareness lever, a "conversation gamechanger", etc.

Blogger VD April 11, 2017 12:41 PM  

If there was an contender for black literature, I'd put "Contending Forces" by Gloria Hopkins somewhere. She was a black writer who wrote about the grievance industry sham in the late 1800s and early 1900s. She wanted black folks to learn trades and improve their own communities.

It sounds like she was the exact opposite of influential.

Blogger VD April 11, 2017 12:42 PM  

That's actually key, indicating that civic nationalism worked well enough until the left first attempted to assassinate it, then conscripted the right to do the assassination for them.

That's not right. It indicates that Anglo-American nationalism functioned until immigrants and civic nationalism replaced it, leading inevitably to identity politics.

Blogger CM April 11, 2017 12:45 PM  

"Intersectionality Pokemon Points" is just perfect, it really is what they play so, so ****ing seriously. It's not just a HBD-ers hateful parody. It's really a trading card game to them. Let's literally make it one. I would buy the table game and play it if a parody (but-not-really-a-parody) version of it were manufactured. Could even have a Poe's Law press-your-luck deck of chance cards where one has to play fun subgames like SJW-or-Nazi.

Nazi - heal yourself 10 points if all mons in hand are white OR deal 10 damage to opponent if their benched mons are all white

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 11, 2017 12:58 PM  

Literacy in Spanish speaking countries is not the same as in English speaking ones. It's just different. Perhaps because about 1/3 or more of Spain was beyond the Hajnal line due to the repeated Islamic invasions, there is a subtle disdain for books and a preference for action as an undercurrent in Spanish-derived cultures. Literacy beyond the very basic level is often a problem.

Of course, literacy in the US was over 90% as long as it was mainly English with some Scots-Irish and Germans mixed in. Fenimore Cooper's Last of the Mohicans was a best seller in its day, largely to people who grew up reading the King James translation of the Bible. Now Mohicans is probably a college level work due to the vocabulary alone. Of course, college students can't read King James, either.

Accepting boatloads of Germans surely was a factor, but at least they came from well inside the Hajnal line. Bringing in those boatloads of tribal, half barbarian Irish who are not Hajnal had even more effects.

Reading is a different activity from passively viewing video. I wonder how really influential books are now?

Anonymous Rule of Wrist April 11, 2017 1:09 PM  

How about "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" by Campbell?

This work was surely more influential to 20th century culture than half of the tripe on that list.

Blogger Karl April 11, 2017 1:15 PM  

In America, book erase you.

http://mashable.com/2017/04/10/we-read-too-app-books-people-of-color
-------------------------

In high school, Kaya Thomas was a self-proclaimed "nerdy black girl." She loved books, but she often felt like the literary world didn't love her back.

"As a teen, I was feeling erased by the books I was reading at my libraries and at school," Thomas says. "The characters were never anything like myself."

Libraries were filled with pages upon pages of white characters going on adventures dreamed up by white authors. Thomas, however, was looking for books that made her feel seen — and she knew others were, too.

So when she grew from a nerdy black girl into a black woman studying computer science at Dartmouth, she knew she could help close this literary gap. Now, she's the creator of a free app called We Read Too, which allows young readers to browse more than 600 books featuring black, Latinx, Asian, Indigenous, and other non-white characters. All of the featured books are written by people of color, with readers of color in mind.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 11, 2017 1:30 PM  

Written with Crayons of Color.

Blogger RobertT April 11, 2017 1:34 PM  

Interesting - seemed to happen right after WWII when America's Best came home from war.

Blogger Feather Blade April 11, 2017 2:19 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:@ Nate

Hey! Idaho is cool!

...

okay...

...no...no it isn't...


And that's just what we want people to keep thinking, especially since we don't have anymore white supremacists to scare people away.

Blogger tublecane April 11, 2017 2:22 PM  

@16-"American blacks are a very verbal culture where even the 80-IQ nigs play intricate language games"

Intricate? I suppose, but what does that amount to? They've had a tremendous influence on slang, for instance, but that's in the realm of superficiality. Which is why they're so good at rap and so bad at poetry: they're superficial. Is there one black poet worth putting in the American pantheon, without affirmative action? I don't think so.

Blacks are adept at vocal improvisation in their singing and instrumental improvisation in their jazz, too. And I guess you can call that "intricate," but it lacks the complication, depth, sophistication, etc. necessary for higher works of art, like the novel. There are great black composers, like Joplin and Ellington, but no evidence that they could produce great classical composers. Ya dig?

Certainly the fact that one may find pleasure in "jive talk" doesn't imply that any expert jivist could write a good novel. It's possible, but the one thing really doesn't have much to do with the other.

Blogger tz April 11, 2017 2:35 PM  

The only early ex-slave who might be influential was Frederic Douglas, but I don't think he wrote any books. It's hard to think of others, but Harriet Taubman and Sojourner Truth were women which might explain more.

I, as a Catholic, keep pointing out that it was protestant biblical Christianity that informed everyone from 1700 to at least 1930. Wallbuilders (I don't know .com or .org) and Chuck Baldwin have thoroughly documented it.

The know-nothings were excessive, but they were correct that America was not and could not be a Catholic country. It could only tolerate Catholics and listen to their natural law arguments. The Declaration and Constitution would not be possible without the high Biblical theology which filtered the enlightenment so as to avoid the Guillotine - the philosophy became implementation, not foundation. We saw the reverse in France.

Blogger tublecane April 11, 2017 2:38 PM  

@60-Colson Whitehead, which name I know because they made me read his book John Henry Days in school. The book you're talking about, The Intuitionist, features competing schools of elevator inspectors, yes. One group intuits what's wrong, and the other finds out scientifically with tools. I haven't read it, but I do know the protagonist is one of those "First Black Whatever" types. How much you want to bet it's about black people being magical and closer to nature versus the White Man's cold, desiccated Science?

Blogger tz April 11, 2017 2:38 PM  

@83 - exactly. The states in the American Redoubt need to pretend to be nasty. Montana has been californicated to an extent, at least in their big cities. "No, you won't like it here! Blizzards! Bears! All your neighbors packing a small armory! ...

Blogger tublecane April 11, 2017 2:41 PM  

@47-"Man, screw this artificial Shakespeare crap; I gotta read me some folksy Angelou," said no one ever.

Blogger Cloudbuster April 11, 2017 2:41 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:There was time every American boy dreamed of being best friends with Tom.


That's because there was never a decent boy who read this passage and didn't feel the truth of it to the bottom of his soul:

"The boys dressed themselves, hid their accoutrements, and went off grieving that there were no outlaws any more, and wondering what modern civilization could claim to have done to compensate for their loss. They said they would rather be outlaws a year in Sherwood Forest than President of the United States forever."

Blogger Cloudbuster April 11, 2017 2:44 PM  

Nate wrote:"And you're right there is no Louis L'Amour although they did include Zane Grey."

WELL THANK GOD THEY INCLUDED THE HUGELY INFLUENCIAL:

Idaho: A guide in Words and Pictures

I mean God knows that shaped countless American lives.


My daughter came home a few days ago with a 1912 edition of Riders of the Purple Sage. Can't wait to sit down with it.

Blogger JP April 11, 2017 2:51 PM  

I'm going to defend the cookbook! Sure, it's not literature, but it influenced what millions of people ate over the years. That's a measurable impact that's probably greater than even what many literary works have.

Granted, that same argument can be used for why we should include engineering textbooks and patent applications.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 11, 2017 2:54 PM  

@85
The only early ex-slave who might be influential was Frederic Douglas, but I don't think he wrote any books. It's hard to think of others, but Harriet Taubman and Sojourner Truth were women which might explain more.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Booker_T._Washington wrote "Up from slavery" around 1900 and was the first black American invited to the White House. He was quite influential for some time. His message was self-help within the black community. The Hoteps might want to look into his writings.

OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 2:55 PM  

Man, screw this artificial Shakespeare crap; I gotta read me some folksy Angelou," said no one ever.

Of course I didn't mean Shakespeare when I dissed on anglophone poetry. I meant the Romantics and what came after. Anyways Shakespeare is too far removed from us for his poetry to make sense. Poetry is a verbal genre, if you can't hear the stress and cadence then it's pointless.

Also jive isn't folksy.

Blogger Cail Corishev April 11, 2017 3:03 PM  

Now, she's the creator of a free app called We Read Too, which allows young readers to browse more than 600 books featuring black, Latinx, Asian, Indigenous, and other non-white characters.

This kind of thing wouldn't be so bad if it just added some supplementary reading for kids who are still reading the good stuff. I'm sure I read plenty of bad or forgettable stuff when I was growing up and plowing through what the library had. But that's not how it'll work; this will tend to replace the better books.

I feel bad for kids who actually like to read (however small a minority of a minority they might be), who will never touch Blue Ridge Billy, Tom Sawyer, The Boxcar Children, Henry Huggins, The Swiss Family Robinson, Nancy Drew, Little House on the Prairie, The Other Side of the Mountain, or a thousand other books they'd probably enjoy, just because they have too many white people in them.

Blogger JP April 11, 2017 3:07 PM  

Ok, going back through the list, I see that it's utter crap. Far too much modernist crap from the 60s, long past the point that literature was no longer the driving force of culture, and with a massive lefty bias. The only people who care about crap like Catch-22 or Catcher in the Rye are public school teachers.

If you went by circulation figures (and excluded converged institutions bulk buying and forcing them on students), 19th century literature would utterly demolish the later books.

OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 3:08 PM  

Someone besides lesbian feminists reads Toni Morrison?

Morrison is the most rabidly anti-feminist writer I know of. I'll bet real money that the lesbian feminists only pretend to read her for virtue signaling purposes.

Robert Service and Poe will come 'round later to kick your ass and drink your liquor. Service'd fuck your girlfriend too, if you were man enough to attract a good-looking woman.


Sorry, I'm too old to have girlfriends, I'd rather focus on having a third child.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people?

I speak four languages, so I have lots of context to compare to. I guess in America that counts as something wrong.

Anglophone poetry is laughable compared to e.g. Russian or Chinese or even Spanish poetry.

There's a historical reason for this -- the Norman invasion destroyed the native Germanic traditions, and the imported French norms never took root in a serious way. English poets always try to ape continental 'high culture' in a totally clownish way.

Poetry is a simple genre, at the heart it's something that is supposed to be set to music and learned by children. The only American poet who wrote real poetry is Dr. Seuss.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 3:18 PM  

You speak 4 languages, well, isn't that just peachy? I have 5, plus middle English and Anglo-Saxon. You're both an ass and a sneering, oikophobic idiot.
Shakespeare is too far removed from us for his poetry to make sense. Poetry is a verbal genre, if you can't hear the stress and cadence then it's pointless."
If you're an illiterate goob, I suppose that's true. People of normal intelligence though, and even actors, have no problem with it.

Anonymous Job April 11, 2017 3:19 PM  

@59

Sure it is.

Haven't you seen all our diversity?

Anonymous VFM #7916 April 11, 2017 3:21 PM  

Ah, yes, Beloved.

Shaping America, eh? Yes, the image of the boys banging out the cow because the heroine wouldn't screw them still sticks in my mind. That kind of perversion has evolved into the blatant cuck porn so popular in California today...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 3:32 PM  

There are strange things done
in the midnight sun
by the men who moil for gold.
The Arctic trails
have their secret tales
that would make your blood run cold.

The Northern lights
have seen queer sights
but the queerest they ever did see,
was the night on the marge
of Lake LeBarge
I cremated Sam McGee.



You want some simple verse, you stuffed-shirt gamma asshat? here you go:

Anon-coward sneers
like academic queers
and talks down Anglo verse.
Prefers the German
and European vermin
and even Chinese, which is worse.

Blogger tublecane April 11, 2017 3:44 PM  

@92-"Shakespeare is too far removed from us for his poetry to make sense. Poetry is a verbal genre, if you can't hear the stress and cadence then it's pointless"

That must be why every time they put on one of his plays it's a flop, no one listens to his work live, they never adapt them into movies, and people aren't constantly quoting him in day to day life.

Seriously though, you can say Shakespeare, despite the fact that I've heard it spoken aloud countless times in my life and enjoyed it, is divorced from common speech. How could it not be? It's 400 years old. It would be nice to have good poetry in the contemporary vernacular.

But that's not to say that just because something is written in common speech it's any better for it. It could be crap. I hate modern poetry, among other reasons because it's divorced from the way regular people talk and think. But I also prefer various highly artificial styles to recognizable doggerel.

OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 4:38 PM  

You speak 4 languages, well, isn't that just peachy? I have 5, plus middle English and Anglo-Saxon. You're both an ass and a sneering, oikophobic idiot.

OK, you win, whatever.


If you're an illiterate goob, I suppose that's true. People of normal intelligence though, and even actors, have no problem with it.

Seriously though: poetry is not supposed to be a highbrow art. It's supposed to develop naturally from song and nursery rhyme. For some reason the natural way of things was broken in England and they ended up with "poems" that are either prose with funky linebreaks or foppish drivel that sounds like it was googletranslated from the French.


Blogger James Dixon April 11, 2017 4:43 PM  

> Anyways Shakespeare is too far removed from us for his poetry to make sense

Speak for yourself.

> I cremated Sam McGee.

Someone posted that on Gab recently. I pointed them to this: https://www.poemhunter.com/best-poems/stephen-vincent-benet/the-mountain-whippoorwill/

Anonymous patrick kelly April 11, 2017 5:00 PM  

Idaho, a strange place.

Equally attracts arsenal hugging alt-righters and weird pagan hipster hippies.

Blogger James Dixon April 11, 2017 5:08 PM  

> Seriously though: poetry is not supposed to be a highbrow art.

Poetry is "supposed to be" what the author intends it to be. Whether or not you like that particular author's work is another matter entirely.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 5:17 PM  

anonymos-coward wrote:Seriously though: poetry is not supposed to be a highbrow art. It's supposed to develop naturally from song and nursery rhyme.
"Supposed to be"?? WTF, do you even understand what language is?
Poetry is what it is. It's not "supposed to be" ANYTHING.
And you steadfastly refuse to engage on some clear examples I gave of poetry that meets your criteria. Why? Because you're a disingenuous poseur, a fake and a snob, and as Judith Martin said, there's no snobbery like the snobbery of those that aspire to the lower classes.

Blogger tublecane April 11, 2017 5:25 PM  

@101-"Seriously though, poetry is not supposed to be a highbrow art"

Supposed by who? It in fact does make for great highbrow art. If you don't think so, maybe you just have bad taste.

I'll grant that the higher poetry must have its ultimate base in popular spoken word, the same way masterpieces of music can be said to be ultimately based in popular song. But I'm not one to scold Beethoven's string quartets for sounding too little like a beerhall singer.

Anonymous BBGKB April 11, 2017 6:21 PM  

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Anonymous Avalanche April 11, 2017 6:21 PM  

@94 "The only people who care about crap like Catch-22 or Catcher in the Rye are public school teachers."

Oh, I dunno. When you count up all the kids forced to read them in school -- who then SWORE to never ever read another book EVER? Yeah, those were "influential" books for Americans. Just not in a good way.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 7:09 PM  

Avalanche wrote:
@94 "The only people who care about crap like Catch-22 or Catcher in the Rye are public school teachers."

Oh, I dunno. When you count up all the kids forced to read them in school -- who then SWORE to never ever read another book EVER? Yeah, those were "influential" books for Americans. Just not in a good way.


Not to mention Catcher in the Rye is the favorite book of murderers, especially of the "kill somebody and become famous" variety.

Mark Chapman and Robert Bardo both had copies on them when arrested, and John Hinkley had a copy in his hotel room hen he shot Reagan.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents April 11, 2017 7:10 PM  

When I read Catch 22 in high school, sometimes during class, it was just about perfect. Helped me push back the walls, think about cornering the Egyptian cotton crop, affect my world-weary cynical pose.

Catcher of the Killed Mockingbird and all that other stuff was just like running windsprints in PE - am I done, yet? Am I done, yet? When I'm done I have something better to do, am I done yet?

Anonymous Jack April 11, 2017 7:36 PM  

There is no comparison between Chinese poetry and that of any European language, for two reasons. First, Chinese is a tonal language, so there goes "stress and cadence" in its recitation. There are a large number of words in Chinese that have exactly the same sound and can't be distinguished without reference to the written character - sometimes you'll see Chinese in conversation tracing a character on their palm with their finger to clarify what they're talking about to each other.

Second, the written language is pictographic, not phonetic, which changes the whole experience of reading poetry. (Is it even "reading" if, technically, you're looking at pictures?)

The Western poetic tradition is a different animal altogether.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs April 11, 2017 7:39 PM  

@17: I'd assumed the list was written by a pianist.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs April 11, 2017 7:54 PM  

@69: Sir, you beat me to mentioning Robert Service. The only poetry book in my library is a collection of his best (well, the only book other than the Bible).

A bunch of the boys were whooping it up in the Malamute saloon...

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 8:27 PM  

@113
One pearly day in early may
I strolled along the sand
and saw, say, half a mile away
a man with gun in hand.
A dog was cowering to his will...


I love Service.

Blogger CM April 11, 2017 8:37 PM  

-Supposed by who? It in fact does make for great highbrow art. If you don't think so, maybe you just have bad taste. -

I prefer pastorals which is not high brow, nor bad taste.

I also like children's poetry which is not high brow but may be bad taste (RLS)

Blogger weka April 11, 2017 8:49 PM  

Marlowe would kill your boyfriend then have you. Shakespeare would have your partner. Donne and Milton would damn you between gathering rosebuds. Wolff would have your sister and Robert Frost would have you both.

Until you have read the Anglo Saxon epics, go away.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 11, 2017 9:53 PM  

"Lets pretend that going from 95+% non wetback white to 60% had no effect."

No, Steve, let's not pretend that; that was part of the assassination.

Anonymous Charlie Baud April 11, 2017 9:56 PM  

@10

The only one sperging out is you, "Hazim". Very exotic name. Makes you sound like you fuck your sister.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 11, 2017 10:08 PM  

"That's not right. It indicates that Anglo-American nationalism functioned until immigrants and civic nationalism replaced it, leading inevitably to identity politics."

No, it's that we started as _slightly_limited_ civic nationalists - and frankly that is the only way to read it - and got good service from it until it was expanded to the ridiculous.

Other than your having a taste for rhetoric, I am not sure why you do this. The last time we had general Anglo-American nationalism was during the French and Indian War. We began as a country with slightly limited civic nationalism - open to whites in general - and kept that up, to generally if not perfectly good ends, until the left stretched it out of bounds and ruined it. I know you want to convey that we started as a country as a British only club, but the history and the law simply don't bear that out.

We had dirt citizenship, if only for whites and some white indian mixes, from not later than Calvin's Case, which was the year after Jamestown.
We have provisions within the constitution (Art 1, Sec. 2, Clause 2, Art 1, Sec. 3, Clause 3) that can only address immigration and naturalization, and which lay no limits on who can immigrate and become a citizen (although I am fairly sure they meant whites only).
We had immigration legislation by 1790 which allowed free whites from anywhere to come in and naturalize.
IOW, we began as civic nationalists, even before we were a country, and kept that up until rather recently.
Generally speaking, identity politics among white immigrant had a short half life for many and perhaps most. Why do you imagine the leftish democrats turned to bringing in the third world? It was because the Irish, Italians, and Poles were deserting them as they assimilated and intermarried.

Blogger tublecane April 11, 2017 10:10 PM  

@115-Your preference is your preference, and preferring pastoral and children's poems doesn't tell me much about your taste by itself. If you were to say pastoral/children's poetry is the only true poetry, that would make me question your taste.

Blogger Geir Balderson April 11, 2017 10:56 PM  

With blacks so prominent in everything of the Media, you would think they were the most successful group in America! I wonder if McDonalds even allows whites to be in one of their commercials?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 11, 2017 10:56 PM  

tublecane wrote:If you were to say pastoral/children's poetry is the only true poetry, that would make me question your taste.
If, on the other hand, you were to claim that all poetry in a particular language was and could only be crap, we'd think you were a moronic jackass.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 11, 2017 11:01 PM  

83. Feather Blade
No, now you got muzzies that rape little ones. That be much more better,right ?

Blogger Lazarus April 11, 2017 11:19 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:When I read Catch 22 in high school, sometimes during class, it was just about perfect. Helped me push back the walls, think about cornering the Egyptian cotton crop, affect my world-weary cynical pose.



'You're the new squadron commander,' Colonel Cathcart had shouted rudely across
the railroad ditch to him. 'But don't think it means anything, because it doesn't. All
it means is that you're the new squadron commander.'

You're the new President, the Voice of the People Proclaimed. But don't think it means anything, because it doesn't. All it means is that you are the new President

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 11, 2017 11:24 PM  

Ted Kennedy was a poper, and a truly evil one at that.
Emanuel Celler, JEW. Both New England fuckin' yankees. If you know anything about New England fuckin' yankees you know they can't be trusted on or about anything, at any time.
These self righteous fucks ( New Englanders ) have always tried to dictate to the rest of us which is good and right, not caring a damn bit about what truly is good or right.
I'd just a soon shoot one as look at 'em, much less listen to 'em or read 'em.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 11, 2017 11:26 PM  

I think you must trust at least one of us to do what we say we'll do, Remus, otherwise you wouldn't hide behind a pseudonym.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 11, 2017 11:27 PM  

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Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 11, 2017 11:44 PM  

Big Mouth Toy soldier , a/k/a Krapman.
If the truth hurts, it should .
Goodnight , you are dismissed.

Blogger Vanished friend April 12, 2017 12:01 AM  

"And the Band Played On. Both of these are the kind of books that SJWs only pretend that they have read them."

Proof of it is that they only know a smattering of generalities to blame Reagan about and would have recoiled over ATBPO's brutal indictment of the suicidal SJW precursors who steadfastly resisted blaming bathhouses for anything.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 12, 2017 12:54 AM  

126. Tom Krapman
I ain't hiding behind anything. Get one the mods here to give you my info , and we will shake hands if you get my drift.
Tommy you ain't shit. You think you are, and your fangurlz might be impressed, but I damn sure ain't .

Anonymous Athor Pel April 12, 2017 8:24 AM  

"81. Blogger Karl April 11, 2017 1:15 PM
...
In high school, Kaya Thomas was a self-proclaimed "nerdy black girl." She loved books, but she often felt like the literary world didn't love her back.
...
So when she grew from a nerdy black girl into a black woman studying computer science at Dartmouth, she knew she could help close this literary gap. Now, she's the creator of a free app called We Read Too, which allows young readers to browse more than 600 books featuring black, Latinx, Asian, Indigenous, and other non-white characters. All of the featured books are written by people of color, with readers of color in mind."




Congratulations Miss Thomas, you just built a ghetto on a smart phone.

Anonymous Athor Pel April 12, 2017 9:07 AM  

"103. OpenID anonymos-coward April 11, 2017 4:38 PM
... For some reason the natural way of things was broken in England and they ended up with "poems" that are either prose with funky linebreaks or foppish drivel that sounds like it was googletranslated from the French."



You obviously do not like the English language even though it is likely the language your mother taught you. For people like you there is one remedy.

Please remove yourself to a place where English is not spoken. Then stay there.
You can speak Esperanto to yourself all day long while sitting on a veranda. It could be nice, for us.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 12, 2017 9:10 AM  

Oh, Remus, you are such an incredible moron. Still, no one is entirely useless. You serve as both a superb bad example, in general, as well as a living illustration of one major reason why the Confederacy lost.

Of course, they weren't cowards whereas you plainly are.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 13, 2017 3:16 AM  

For a guy that claims the be a writer, you sure are limited in your same old tired assed responses. IN THE MILITARY , SOME TIMES IT AIN'T WHAT YOU KNOW, BUT WHO YOU BLOW.
I know road which road you took, you Baaaahstahn blowhard.
Good night, you twat.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 13, 2017 10:06 AM  

And, once again, you need to stop using the name of an actual man. I think you would be better off, or your limited excuse for a soul would be, if you stopped defaming Mosby's memory and took the non de shitbird of "Princess Buttercup."

Anonymous Pennywise April 13, 2017 2:46 PM  

American culture was a mix of European cultures, then incorporated non-European cultures. That's how it is now. No amount of posturing will change that fact.

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY April 13, 2017 7:52 PM  

I'm gonna tell you this one last time, you thick headed fuck.
Get the vapors all you want, but I do things on MY terms, not yours . The man is in my ancestry, and he was one tough man.
Like I said Lilly, you ain't shit, just another loudmouthed yankee twat. IF YOU NO LIKE,ME NO CARE.

Blogger Tom Kratman April 13, 2017 8:45 PM  

Tsk, tsk, Remus, getting a little upset are we? Po' widdle baby. Po', po', po widdle baby.

But you're still a pussy and unworthy of the name you're misappropriating.

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