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Thursday, June 29, 2017

Alt-Retard wants a rematch

Supreme Dark Lord‏ @voxday
White Nationalist fantasies notwithstanding, Europeans no more identify as Europeans than white Americans identify as European-Americans.

Brian Ninetails‏ @BrianNinetails
Once a goon always a goon amirite?

Brian Ninetails‏ @BrianNinetails
I'll make sure we shit on you artistically, you just made the list

Supreme Dark Lord‏ @voxday
Bring it on. The last time Alt-Retard tried to bring it, they backed down in 12 hours. The VFM will eat you alive. And facts are facts.

Brian Ninetails‏ @BrianNinetails
Capped

Supreme Dark Lord‏ @voxday
No need. I'll put this right there on my blog and it will stay there. Including the part where your friends beg me to call them off.
We have had a successful ceasefire with the Alt-White for a while now. Apparently it is off as far as this Brian Ninetails is concerned, whoever he is. Because I am kind, you may consider him a snack. The leashes are off. But leave everyone else out of it, until we see which way they decide to jump or if they have the sense to leave him to his fate.

Have fun.

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Blogger M. Bibliophile June 29, 2017 8:06 AM  

For the record, this guy is Twitter only, so don't go looking on Gab just yet unless/until it widens.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 29, 2017 8:08 AM  

Brian Ninetails?

Sounds like some furry crap.

Blogger Sentient Spud June 29, 2017 8:11 AM  

@2 Furry name, defaults to sexual comments when Vox posted this to the blog...

Dude's a deviant.

Blogger Cluebat Vanexodar June 29, 2017 8:13 AM  

Yeah, we can see how well that European project is working out.
They cannot even keep an economic consensus in place.

Anonymous Mark June 29, 2017 8:15 AM  

Why is Vox inventing and spreading pejorative memes like 'AltRetard', 'AltReich' and 'AltWhite'? The attacks on our allies to the right has to stop.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 8:17 AM  

If I could tweet at work, I'd join in on the fun. Because this will be fun.

Blogger S1AL June 29, 2017 8:23 AM  

"Why is Vox inventing and spreading pejorative memes like 'AltRetard', 'AltReich' and 'AltWhite'? The attacks on our allies to the right has to stop."

Because of retarded Nazis who try to invent a "white identity" out of nothing? Like you, maybe?

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 8:24 AM  

Why is Vox inventing and spreading pejorative memes like 'AltRetard', 'AltReich' and 'AltWhite'? The attacks on our allies to the right has to stop.

First, because the taxonomy is accurate. Second, please note that they attacked first. The lesson, as always, is this: don't fuck with us.

You start it, the VFM will finish it. I don't care who you are, SJWs, Oathcuckers, AltRetard, or cuckservative. If you don't want the attention, don't come at me or mine.

Submit and we stop. Escalate and we will escalate with you. It's not rocket science.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 8:26 AM  

need AltChrist now in the Churches

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 8:27 AM  

maybe Altchurch? idk

Anonymous johnc June 29, 2017 8:30 AM  

need AltChrist now in the Churches

Seriously. It's like there's an entire movement out there in the young people but it's completely passing by the Church. The issue is that you have to rise up and throw the leaders out, which is no easy task.

Blogger Sentient Spud June 29, 2017 8:30 AM  

I think he's a little queer (NSFW from his timeline).

"Homosexuality is the last stand of implicit white identity." - Brian Ninetails, June 28, 2017

Blogger Joshua_D June 29, 2017 8:35 AM  

cassius dio wrote:need AltChrist now in the Churches

Jesus Christ doesn't need modifiers. You might go with AltChristians tho.

Anonymous rotekz June 29, 2017 8:37 AM  

The name could allude to the 'cat 'o nine tails' the multi-thronged whipping instrument. He may be into self-flagellation or S&M.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 8:39 AM  

@13 I agree, just thinking out loud...

Blogger bornagainpenguin June 29, 2017 8:44 AM  

Nine tails probably is a reference to Naruto. The Nine tails refers to a giant elemental fox demon that gets placed inside the body of an infant boy to imprison it and grant the boy amazing powers as he grows up hated by idiots.

*shrugs*

It's an anime thing. Hope this helps and happy hunting!

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 29, 2017 8:46 AM  

Another product of our increasingly degenerate world. Am I just dreaming (nightmaring) all this? Oh, don't I wish.

Anonymous David of One June 29, 2017 8:49 AM  

BrianNineTails at YouTube identifies as Brian-Michael Sennin.

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylc=X3oDMTFiN25laTRvBF9TAzIwMjM1MzgwNzUEaXRjAzEEc2VjA3NyY2hfcWEEc2xrA3NyY2h3ZWI-?p=brianninetails&fr=yfp-t&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&search_plus_one=form

Anonymous JAMES June 29, 2017 8:49 AM  

Twitter tough guy?

For fucks sake at least start a podcast.

If that fat jew-marrying retard Enoch can do it anyone can.

Anonymous David of One June 29, 2017 8:52 AM  

https://www.youtube.com/user/BrianNineTails

Blogger Sentient Spud June 29, 2017 8:56 AM  

https://www.facebook.com/brianmichaelsennin.ninetails

Blogger exfarmkid June 29, 2017 8:58 AM  

Couldn't remember what the heck "alt-white" is. Here is a very engaging essay by VD last September:

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/09/of-alt-west-and-alt-white.html

Anonymous David of One June 29, 2017 8:59 AM  

https://www.facebook.com/brianmichaelsennin.ninetails

Missouri

Anonymous Alexander June 29, 2017 8:59 AM  

> Support Brexit, Front national, etc. etc.

> Claim to support dream of a heretofore elusive pan-European identity

> Upset when called a retard

Blogger Sentient Spud June 29, 2017 9:02 AM  

Well, now...

https://archive.fo/lJUaw

https://archive.fo/D4Bu1

For an edge lord he sure is cavalier with his anonymity.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2017 9:05 AM  

I think he's a little queer (NSFW from his timeline).

It's funny how often that happens. They get carried away rejecting things they don't like, sometimes for good initial reasons, that they end up in some strange places. Reject Christianity because of Churchianity, and end up into Islam or some kind of faux paganism. Reject women and marriage because of feminism and frivorce, and end up in a circle jerk with some buddies. Sad, really.

Blogger Koanic June 29, 2017 9:05 AM  

Does the Alt-White care if the Alt-West eliminates its furry homo fringe? They are eugenicists after all.

Somehow I suspect the race will survive without Brian "Nine cocks up my tail" Sennin's STD-incubator services.

Mind the spatter.

Anonymous You're Welcome June 29, 2017 9:09 AM  

Brian Michael Sennin
202 NW 72nd St, Kansas City, MO 64118
(816) 436-9999

Anonymous Mark June 29, 2017 9:11 AM  

Second, please note that they attacked first.

In this instance afaik there is no "they", just an stupid anonymous individual.

Sure attack and discredit the individual - god bless. But your response goes beyond that. Inventing and promoting pejorative memes to label and condemn entire sub-groups of allies. Not smart. We need to build unity amongst our factions.

If were an AltRight enemy, I'd lob anonymous 'attacks' your way, then sit back and watch you invent memes that tear our movement to pieces.

VD please stop using the pejorative terms 'AltWhite' and 'AltReich'.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 9:11 AM  

Really,

How F'ing hard is it to not shoot your own team!?!?!?!? While the various Alt-X groups may have slightly different visions the common goal is to purge globalism and the neo-marxists left. Everything else can be sorted out AFTER the primary objective has been achieved!

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 29, 2017 9:12 AM  

Sentient Spud

No, he was reposting Richard Spencer.

Anonymous David of One June 29, 2017 9:13 AM  

https://plus.google.com/104683404153496684566

Old stuff

Anonymous Millenium June 29, 2017 9:14 AM  

You are being duped Vox. This is either a troll or shill account.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 9:16 AM  

We are talking about a counter-revolution, back to the the correct order of things.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 9:17 AM  

johnc wrote:need AltChrist now in the Churches

Seriously. It's like there's an entire movement out there in the young people but it's completely passing by the Church. The issue is that you have to rise up and throw the leaders out, which is no easy task.



I'm thinking that may be a "dark horse" that pops up "unexpectedly". If we see a strong charismatic (probably younger as well) religious leader pop up who can capture the minds of young men you could see a crusade like movement rise up virtually overnight that is shocking in its size strength and reach, reaching all across the west beyond any one nations ability to supress.

Anonymous JAMES June 29, 2017 9:17 AM  

This one's pretty small fry.

Doubt his possibly-furry skull would be worth drinking out of.

Is this pillow-biting Brian chap worth the sweat?

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 9:20 AM  

Inventing and promoting pejorative memes to label and condemn entire sub-groups of allies. Not smart. We need to build unity amongst our factions.

The terms are not pejorative. They are accurate. No one who is a white nationalist can complain about Alt-White. No one who is a national socialist and claims Hitler did nothing wrong can complain about Alt-Reich.

Alt-Retard, I will give you is pejorative. That is reserved for those in the Alt-Right who insist on attacking me.

If were an AltRight enemy, I'd lob anonymous 'attacks' your way, then sit back and watch you invent memes that tear our movement to pieces.

That happens all the time. I am perfectly capable of distinguishing between a false flag attack and a real one.

VD please stop using the pejorative terms 'AltWhite' and 'AltReich'.

They are not pejorative. So, no.

Blogger Bellguard June 29, 2017 9:20 AM  

The train is fine.

Blogger Didact June 29, 2017 9:22 AM  

@5,

Mark- don't be a cuck.

The Alt-Retards are not allies. They're useful idiots of the Left who turn on their own at the slightest provocation and are immune to reason, logic, or rhetoric.

These people are not allies. We don't need them. We can work with the Alt-Lite and the Hard-Right. But these idiots? No way.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 9:23 AM  

@29. Mark
In this instance afaik there is no "they", just an stupid anonymous individual.

In this instance, yes. But this is absolutely not the first time, and I bet you money it won't be the last time one of those aligned individuals run their mouths.

VD please stop using the pejorative terms 'AltWhite' and 'AltReich'.

And what, exactly, is pejorative about them? They're absolutely descriptive of a subgroup that holds different beliefs than us.

Anonymous Harambe June 29, 2017 9:26 AM  

NineTails was also one of the original Pokemon.

Blogger snod snodwon June 29, 2017 9:27 AM  

sennin (仙人) and ninetails (九尾) are both references to naruto, a japanese cartoon for kids.

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 29, 2017 9:29 AM  

Ignore them.

The dog barks, the caravan passes.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 29, 2017 9:29 AM  

He's such a nut. I scoped out his Twitter timeline and who he follows. The profile fits an awkward center leftist who vaguely identifies with the ideals of the alt right.

As much as I have the term AltReich, it's an accurate depiction of these morons. Spouting off "Hitler did nothing wrong".

They're dreams of a European Hegemony do make me laugh though. I think Star Trek had that? And Ender's Game did as well.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 9:31 AM  

sennin (仙人) and ninetails (九尾) are both references to naruto, a japanese cartoon for kids.

Individually no, but together yes it's very likely a reference to that.

/sperg

Blogger JP June 29, 2017 9:33 AM  

sennin (仙人) and ninetails (九尾) are both references to naruto, a japanese cartoon for kids.

Yes but Pokemon is more gay than Naruto.

Blogger Quintus Maximus June 29, 2017 9:34 AM  

http://kyuubiunderground.weebly.com/statism-in-the-uk.html

Blogger Koanic June 29, 2017 9:43 AM  

What is the difference between Hard-Right, Alt-White and Alt-West?

The latter two I know, but I'm unfamiliar with where the former fits.

Anonymous andon June 29, 2017 9:44 AM  

i was just thinking the other day, what we really need is more infighting and division

Anonymous johnc June 29, 2017 9:46 AM  

@48

Probably a reference to Rope Culture, which style themselves as far-right or, as they put it "against the wall", in the sense that there is nothing to the right of them.

Anonymous Faceless June 29, 2017 9:49 AM  

@29

What, is this guy new?

Vox is the giver of names and writer of points. The 16 points have allowed for a substantive answer to "What is the Alt-Right?" - people who believe in the 16 points. For at least a year, probably 18 months, there has been a hierarchy here that refines the blanket use of the term "Alt-Right", since it is too broad.

Alt-Right splits with Alt-Lite, but Alt-Right itself splits into Alt-West and Alt-White.

Alt-White is to Richard Spencer as Alt-West is to Vox Day.

The Alt-Lite further decomposes into three groups based on how they respond to the Alt-Right. Civic nationalists are in the Alt-Lite because they would disagree with the 16 points.

Separately, there is the Alt-Roosh, which requires growing a beard and using Kratom, which is another division of the Alt-Right.

Blogger endwatcher June 29, 2017 9:50 AM  

Amen

Anonymous andon June 29, 2017 9:56 AM  

does the left disavow anyone on their side?

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 9:56 AM  

Why does one twitter weirdo get to start a war? If one nobody twitter troll can bait a powerful person into declaring war on an entire movement that he is 90% aligned with anyway, there's probably more going on at a personal level with that powerful person than we are seeing.

Blogger praetorian June 29, 2017 9:56 AM  

Literally who?

There is enough D&C on the alt-right these days.

Blogger wreckage June 29, 2017 10:03 AM  

@54, You're saying Vox is a penguin. I always suspected it.

Anonymous Mark June 29, 2017 10:04 AM  

a subgroup that holds different beliefs than us.

How different, exactly? How does infighting and division help you achieve your goals?

Blogger bosscauser June 29, 2017 10:04 AM  

Lol...
Joe Scarborough calls himself a REPUBLICAN pissing off conservatives.
Cons think they're REPUBLICANS. They'll Never learn...

If I call him a REPUBLICAN is that a perjorative?

It would appear our problem is nomenclature...

Alt this alt that keeps trolls chasing shiny objects as they left collapses and the right dominates the mainstream.

How long before the guns go off?

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 10:06 AM  

The ongoing drama between Spencer, Cerno, Alt-lite vs Alt-right vs alt-Reich is tiresome. It feels like someone wearing bigboy pants needs to step up. "Family" squabbles are to be held privately behind closed doors, come to an agreement then publicly display a unified front! Stop being afraid of being called names and stop worrying about being “respectable. Why, BFYTY!

Anonymous Sheiko29 June 29, 2017 10:07 AM  

Anime and table top games? Irredeemable incel.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 10:11 AM  

@35 Grayman

Funny, I was reading through the battle of Tours on Infopedia (editors, please pull out all BCE and CE stuff carried over from Wikipedia; BC and AD or if you prefer, ARSH) and I had an image or idea....
A Church, in a ancient walled town, represents Christianity, the walls and buildings of that town represent Christian culture. Charles Martel and his army, represents AltRight or manfullness.

But, Al-Rahman is inside the gates, let in by heretics and apostates and liars; Charles Martel and men needs to go into the town, rout the invaders and make examples of the traitors.

Just thinking out loud again...

Blogger Koanic June 29, 2017 10:17 AM  

@50 Rope Culture is just Alt-Reich. It doesn't require a separate name such as "Hard-Right". Alt-Reich is hardly the furthest right one can go. Their leader was a socialist vegetarian with one testicle and no follow-through.

Blogger James Rutledge Roesch June 29, 2017 10:18 AM  

Oh please, anyone who counter-signals "white identity" because "there's no such thing" is missing the point. Sure, there's no such thing as "white identity" at the moment, but that's what the alt-right/alt-white/alt-reich/[insert cheap smear term here] is trying to create.

The people of Europe, of Western Civilization, or of whatever you want to call it, have many differences between them, but those differences are much smaller than the differences they have with the people of Africa or Asia. "White identity" is what all the diverse nationalities, ethnicities, etc. of the West have in common.

When categorizing something, varying levels of specificity are used according to the context. When categorizing different groups of Europeans, "white identity" isn't really useful, but when we're categorizing Europeans and, say, Arabs, then "white identity" becomes much more useful. The term "white," by the way, along with "black," "red," and "yellow," was devised precisely when European colonists/settlers began encountering other races in Africa, the Americas, and Asia. Even back then, at the peak of imperialism/nationalism, Europeans grouped themselves together against "the Other." That's white identity in a nutshell.

Vox, I really enjoy your content. You add a lot of intellectual heft to this movement. You've totally changed my mind around on big issues like trade, for instance. But I've got to tell you that you seem a bit addicted to infighting.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 10:22 AM  

@57. Mark
How different, exactly?
Different enough that they pick fights with us.

How does infighting and division help you achieve your goals?

Different enough that they pick fights with us.

We swing back when someone swings at us. We're not cuckservatives, after all.

If you want the infighting to stop, get them to stop trying to pick fights. If you want the divisions to cease, change their opinions on things. You can attempt to change our opinions, but you better have a really convincing argument because we've heard a lot of it all before.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 10:23 AM  

@61. cassius dio

He is out there somewhere, but it is still too early for the modern martel to rise. The governments of the west still have too strong of a grip for a neo-martel to rise. Any such individual would be promptly disappeared at this point in time. I'm guessing at least another 3 to 5 years before the governments omnipotence wanes enough for a neo-martel to rise.
But it is out there, the hunger for a fearless MAN who can lead, BFYTW, a strong leader who can give meaning to men of the west besides virtue signaling and self flagellation. That hunger will only grow and when neo-martel does rise many will be left wondering what just happened.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass June 29, 2017 10:25 AM  

"I think he's a little queer (NSFW from his timeline)."

@12 That rainbow penis was kind of a dead giveaway.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 10:25 AM  

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Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 10:30 AM  

I was gonna say AltMartel, but Neo-Martel works better.

CS Lewis essay on chivalry seems appropriate.

Blogger YIH June 29, 2017 10:35 AM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Brian Ninetails?

Sounds like some furry crap.

It's a freakin' Pokemon: https://infogalactic.com/info/Ninetales

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 10:37 AM  

@56 no the sentiment is serious. All the groups and personalities dedicated to this movement (as opposed to having other top priorities, which is fine) have had enough infighting and they no longer let anonymous trolls determine the direction of the movement through provocations. If I was deep state and I knew all it took to provoke strife was lobbing insults at one person or group ostensibly on behalf of another, its all I would do all day long. I'd be crazy not to. That it is still apparently an issue for some people to see these things for what they are is discouraging.

Anyone who wants to have influence in this movement has to be prepared to deal with one thing above all else: spergs. If you can't handle at least 7-8 levels of autism at once and have to declare war every time some sperg personally offends or insults you, you don't have the qualities or the mindset it takes to bear the responsibility of influence. I say that with as much respect and deference as possible. And I surmise that Vox Day as a rational person would agree with me anyway. To his eternal credit he has not, like so many others, positioned himself as a would-be leader or influence-peddler in the movement, probably at least partially because he acknowledges the real and very human limits of his patience which make him unsuitable for dealing with spergs, which is a necessary part of the job. Some people have too much self-respect or just better things to do than forbear endlessly in the face of provocations from these little nothings who make trouble on twitter. I can understand that and and respect it to a certain extent. God knows if I were in VD's position I would probably have been driven insane years ago by the constant snapping of these mangy dogs.

But its sad that we're here again. A lot of us put a lot of effort into keeping things on an even keel. But when one sperg is allowed to unilaterally declare hostilities on behalf of everyone, what's the point? The Deep State can just keep doing this over and over again, even if there weren't real spergs out there doing it. So I won't be taking any sides this time. I won't try to be the bridge builder because there's no point. The movement needs to just get used to the fact that (1) there will always be spergs/infiltrators attempting to stir the pot and (2) there will always people in a position to let them do it and amplify their stirrings by responding to them as if they were consequential. We need to just get used to this. Both of these categories of people give us certain strengths as well as weigh us down with certain weaknesses. Hopefully the majority of us (outside of those who have sworn blood oaths, etc.) will take this route of stoic acknowledgement and patience. There's nothing else to do - we do not have the power to prevent these things from happening, only the people involved do. Those of us who put the movement first cannot pile on either bandwagon or we would not be putting the movement first. In line with that, I wish all belligerents back luck. I hope they fail massively in trying to destroy each other.

Anonymous Red Sector June 29, 2017 10:39 AM  

"as they put it "against the wall", in the sense that there is nothing to the right of them."

Well, there's that wall. Bad things sometimes happen when one is against a wall.

Blogger Cataline Sergius June 29, 2017 10:40 AM  

Nazi larper. Goes on at great length about Kek and is an anime fan.

Not really a fag but probably does fap to dick-girl hentai while listening to Taylor Swift songs.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 10:44 AM  

dick-girl hentai....

I had no idea such a thing existed...

Then again, I didnt know what a "wrist icicle" was before Manchester..

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 10:47 AM  

When you're a complete loser with no chance of ever leading anything, the only shot you think you'll have is to be more edgy than everybody else.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 10:50 AM  

Old Ez, it's not a war yet. Vox specifically said the VFM are not free to go against the moment as a whole at this point.

Anonymous ST Ghost June 29, 2017 10:50 AM  

Interesting enough, Sam Francis already anticipated the Alt-Right/Alt-West/Alt-White divide about a decade ago...

The thing to understand about Richard Spencer and some of these White Nationalists are heavily involved with the French "New Right" and European philosophy...

Then there is the whole paleoconservative/populist tradition, which is pretty much home-grown American.

Check these out for context:

https://www.toqonline.com/blog/the-real-right/

http://www.toqonline.com/blog/the-real-right-part-ii/

Money quotes:

Just as problematic as its hostility to Christianity, at least for many on the American right, is the French New Right’s outright hatred of America itself. While the New Right is surely correct that both contemporary “mainstream” (and even “conservative”) Christianity and the hegemonic forces of contemporary America are the enemies of European Man, it insists on pushing its critique of them far beyond contemporary manifestations....

Much of what the French New Right has to offer in its philosophical critique of modernity and its defenses of the enduring legacies of ancient pre-Christian values and ideals is a valuable contribution to formulating the basis of such a right. The emerging American right (if it does or will exist) should pay more attention to what it has to say and would be well advised to emulate its intellectual depth and seriousness and to learn something from its “metapolitical” cultural war.


In short, there is much both sides can learn together. And much both can do in common in terms of alliance.

(I won't get into the so-called "Alt-Lite" at all, as I don't see any intellectualism from them at all. Not that they don't serve a valuable purpose. But Cernovich, Milo, etc. are more media/marketers than serious thinkers. I will also note the name-calling from all sides is rather stupid and plays right into the hands of our mutual enemies.)

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 10:54 AM  

Right now it's an individual attacker, and he is being treated the same way as individual attackers have been treated for decades. The fact that it is a potential powder keg due to pre-existing hostilities is a consideration, but not enough reason to put on kid gloves.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 11:00 AM  

"a potential powder keg"

It's really not though. Believe it or not the central elements of the Alt Right have all acknowledged that we will no longer participate in movement strife. If you've been watching the rank-and-file reaction to the Friberg-Johnson slapfight you can see it there too. Their followers and supporters are castigating both men for their behavior. The most this will be is a vendetta that draws a few "dedicated" (heh) people from each side to go on the offensive. The rest of us will just turn away with a paradoxical disgusted shrug.

Anonymous Iron Spartan June 29, 2017 11:00 AM  

I got my beer and popcorn. This is going to be fun.

Anonymous TheSmokingMan June 29, 2017 11:02 AM  

@Old Ez

Well put. Concerning the real spergs within the AltRight; I see them as young warriors. They are always spoiling for a fight but lack the individual agency to select their own targets. So they sit there in camp, bored to tears. That's why they are always messing with their allies. They aren't targeting them for destruction the way they do the left, but they are competing for rank with people they think they can take on. I saw the ex/am guys doing this with Vox just yesterday. They earned a twitter block and were hooting and hollering about it. They need an enemy to fight and to be told to go fight it.

Vox has, on multiple occasions, declined the leadership role that we have attempted to thrust upon him. He is not our Martel. He is our Merlin. I think we ought to figure out how his role as such ought to be supported differently/better than we have been.

Anonymous 17:02 June 29, 2017 11:05 AM  

Vox Day: Fighting the Big Battles!! LOL

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 11:08 AM  

If it really does pan out the way you say, Old Ez, then this will go on for a few days and stop. Just like always.

Anonymous roo_ster June 29, 2017 11:15 AM  

1. No enemies to the right. (IOW, do not fire right.)
2. If folks marginally to the left stick with #1, hold fire on them, too.
3. Sperg eruptions dealt with on an ad-hoc basis.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 11:17 AM  

@81

Not Merlin, but I like what you are getting at.

Blogger Brian H June 29, 2017 11:20 AM  

James Rutledge Roesch wrote:The people of Europe, of Western Civilization, or of whatever you want to call it, have many differences between them, but those differences are much smaller than the differences they have with the people of Africa or Asia. "White identity" is what all the diverse nationalities, ethnicities, etc. of the West have in common.

I agree. It seems natural that our perceived identity can be relative to our most immediate threats.

First we thought of ourselves as Americans.
Then we thought of ourselves as Christians.
Now we're starting to see ourselves as white, because the rhetoric against being white is heating up.

I suspect once all that's resolved, we might restart bitching about other European ethnicities with respect to our own. But that's still far better than what we have yet to deal with regarding the non-european Other.

Anonymous Raker Tooth June 29, 2017 11:20 AM  

There was a comment the other day like "his grandfather would slap the soy out of him". For awhile I've been contemplating assertiveness lost, there may be more than one way it happens, it may be more than "please don't hurt me". Those in occupied territories of the southern US had the fed-gov force integration on their schools, alleged science said their God didn't exist, so they resigned to adopting the narrative, or they looked for a compromise. Yesterday the contemplation got more intense. Previously, I had realized that people often mistake peace for a noun, like something you can put on a shelf, or in your back pocket. But no, peace is a verb, it requires constant attention, constant fight. So yesterday I was contemplating a misunderstanding of paradox. I have long regarded life as very paradoxical, and the strange things I've seen in the last couple years are bizarre off the chart. But I've allowed paradox to become a big catch-all for not attending certain issues. If I made it into a video, it might be called Ambiguity in paradox that leads to pussyfication. Paradox is a real and useful term, but much of it can be reduced. For instance, you don't want to do all your kids' thinking for them, but you don't want to turn them loose with dangerous things. Hoping for the best outcome in a paradoxical situation is not the solution. Yeah rather, specific, incremental tests of responsibility is a better approach. There are a lot of issues in life that cannot be put on a shelf until we get around to figuring them out. I've been guilty of this, but now I realize that peace requires a very immediate ability react with "Screw You Right Now!"

Anonymous Jack Amok June 29, 2017 11:21 AM  

Old Ez, I think the best response from Alt-White's is "Hey, this idiot isn't one of ours!"



Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2017 11:22 AM  

"Family" squabbles are to be held privately behind closed doors, come to an agreement then publicly display a unified front!

That sounds nice, but it's not really an option in Current Year. We can't go into our private gentleman's club and hash things out protected from the public eye. In theory, we could simulate that with private online forums; but then you lose the energy that's provided by a public forum, it's a pain to moderate, and any infighting would spread to public forums anyway. This is just how it's gonna be.

Also, don't underestimate the importance of lulz. Many lulz were had at the expense of that violent "don't you call me violent" black cuckservative yesterday; now someone else has stepped up to provide today's.

Anonymous Elizabeth Warren or ?? June 29, 2017 11:23 AM  

"I'm not white, I'm injun hispanic"

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 29, 2017 11:23 AM  

Does the Alt-White care if the Alt-West eliminates its furry homo fringe? They are eugenicists after all.

I've noticed that too. Back when Spencer actually had a site with comments, there wrre an inordinate number of gays who seemed to be into the whole Nazi schtick. Maybe it's the Hugo Boss uniforms. You did see others there making the observation about them being genetic dead-ends, but not often. Supremacism and Imperialism - not Nationalism. The 16 points should be sufficient to cover the concerns of the vast majority of those opposed to the actively-promoted genocide of whites. Given the near-total convergence of Christianity and its support of genocide of whites, there is a great deal of understandable hostility towards it - especially from self-styled Neo-Pagans in the EU and UK.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 11:26 AM  

Nazis had the most stylish uniforms. Just sayin'

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 11:27 AM  

"Paradox" is a trainwreck of a word. It has meant three distinct and contrary things.
1) (Oldest meaning) Any opinion that goes against popular opinion
2) Self-contradictory and therefore false statement
3) (Theological meaning, especially Old Testament) Statement(s) such as at first glance appears self-contradictory, but when you reflect on it, you realize that considering the two opposite and true statements, you find the truth in the middle.

Example of an Old Testament paradox:

Pro 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.

Anonymous David of One June 29, 2017 11:28 AM  

Gawd!

It is a common attribute that a large cranium is often associated with intelligence.

Equally associated is one who is very proud ... large ego ... big head.

This "Merlin" thing will only cause more release of remaining follicles. Sheesh!

If you really cared for the man, you'd help by not increasing the follicle release.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 11:30 AM  

@andon, Old Ez, and others
also, seems like the various groups should be able to respect the slight differences in goals and beliefs and then unite around White Nationalism or whatever is going to drive out the invaders

Keep note that the only action has been around one person who probably isn't a troll, but we've been ignoring the completely obvious Divide and Conquer tactics by nameless trolls right here in this very post.

We probably don't need to worry about opportunistic enemies instigating a civil war because they're hilariously amateur at it, and it's not our first rodeo on the internet.

Blogger Billy Ray June 29, 2017 11:31 AM  

"You start it, the VFM will finish it. I don't care who you are, SJWs, Oathcuckers, AltRetard, or cuckservative. If you don't want the attention, don't come at me or mine."

vox day - the poster child of butt hurt whiny crybabies

you sound just like a lib snowflake or is it a 2-yr old, hard to tell the difference sometimes

Anonymous BBGKB June 29, 2017 11:37 AM  

What is the difference between Hard-Right, Alt-White and Alt-West?

hard right has 6-pack abs not Oathcucker Gregory Mcwhirter's camelback full of milkshakes

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 11:37 AM  

@88 Does it really pay to play the conservative disavowal game? I will call a sperg a sperg, but I will also own sperg if it belongs to me and mine. Or even if it doesn't belong to me and mine, I'm still not going to play. Strong people and movements do not need to disavow anything - certainly not at anyone elses' insistence. If I ever start to see the disavowal game produce any good results for those doing the disavowing, I might consider it. But I've never seen it do anything other than lend credibility to the other side. All things being equal, if someone tells me I need to disavow something, I'm likely to avow it just for teh lulz.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 11:39 AM  

97 was supposed to be @87

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) June 29, 2017 11:41 AM  

oh please Billy Ray, dispense for me yet more pearls of your ineffable wisdom!

hey, have you licked Hastert clean yet? he's a "respectable Conservative".

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 11:44 AM  

@94 you're absolutely right and kudos to you and the rest who have shown restraint. People like Billy Ray, David of One, Elizabeth Warren or ??, 17:02 are unequivocally part of the problem. I might or might not happen to agree with them on the issues, but they are paradigmatic shit-stirrers, going by their posts. If they don't like Vox's post and simply can't refrain from commenting, fine - I am one of those toop. But what they do is lend momentum to the stirred-pot instead of trying to back-stir it. That makes them stupid at best and malicious otherwise.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 11:46 AM  

vox day - the poster child of butt hurt whiny crybabies

It's still not working, Billy Ray. You're going to have to rhetoric harder.

Anonymous andon June 29, 2017 11:47 AM  

Vox has, on multiple occasions, declined the leadership role that we have attempted to thrust upon him.

sometimes a man needs to step up and take on more responsibility. he should be invited as a speaker to that Unite the Right event in August and he should accept.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 11:47 AM  

In Finnish there's a useful word for a particular kind of shit-stirrer, "riidankylväjä", who plays the sides against each other while pretending to be a friend with both.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 11:48 AM  

@ 88. Cail Corishev

That sounds nice, but it's not really an option in Current Year.

There are 2 cases here, in one case, yes you can have the backroom chat and in the other case I agree with you.

In the first case, Cerno and his group getting their panties in a wad over spencer is stupid. There is no reason that couldn’t have been handled “backstage” instead of as a public brouhaha. There is enough communication amongst those level of figures in the alt-x that they can easily speak.

In the case of the random troll attacking Vox on twitter, I agree with you they are stupid and good for some troll baiting and LULZ.

In the first case the movement is immature and there needs to be players in the background that moderate intergroup rivalry. They don’t have to be some officially chosen figures, its more likely they would be organic figures who fill those roles

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 11:52 AM  

Some dictionaries attempt to translate riidankylväjä as hate-mongerer, but that misses the point. A hate-mongerer works openly. Riidankylväjä in secret.

Blogger ZhukovG June 29, 2017 11:52 AM  

To the Alt-White and Alt-Reich: Criticism is not Rejection. Criticism is not being Disavowed. Don't be so sensitive. Unless you decide otherwise, Globalists are our enemies, not you.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 11:56 AM  

Why does one twitter weirdo get to start a war?

What war? The one twitter weirdo was clearly attempting to enroll others. He got slapped down hard. That's all. I'm not even going after him personally; I just blocked him and threw him to the VFM. They will do as they want with him.

The people of Europe, of Western Civilization, or of whatever you want to call it, have many differences between them, but those differences are much smaller than the differences they have with the people of Africa or Asia. "White identity" is what all the diverse nationalities, ethnicities, etc. of the West have in common.

Irrelevant. That's a stupid, ignorant, typically American perspective. The European nations are their own identities. They don't have any white identity. A white Bosniak is NOT part of the West.

You guys are simply totally fucking wrong. I'm not countersignaling, I am actively against a bunch of morons trying to turn 2+2 into 13. I am totally opposed to your ignorant, EU-style assault on the European nations.

The Europa Identity concept will fail, completely, and for the same reason the EU did. The only way to defeat globalism in Europe is through nationalism, not racial identity. Those are the people gaining real traction here, not a few hundred wishful thinkers split between Greg Johnson and Richard Spencer.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 12:00 PM  

Seriously, most Americans are so clueless that they don't realize Kosovars, Albanians, Bosnians, and Bosniaks are all white European Muslims. I even know a few. And they are NOT part of the West.

Blogger Mocheirge June 29, 2017 12:01 PM  

Markku wrote:In Finnish there's a useful word for a particular kind of shit-stirrer, "riidankylväjä", who plays the sides against each other while pretending to be a friend with both.

English has a similar word, "woman".

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 12:02 PM  

Anyone who wants to have influence in this movement has to be prepared to deal with one thing above all else: spergs. If you can't handle at least 7-8 levels of autism at once and have to declare war every time some sperg personally offends or insults you, you don't have the qualities or the mindset it takes to bear the responsibility of influence. I say that with as much respect and deference as possible. And I surmise that Vox Day as a rational person would agree with me anyway. To his eternal credit he has not, like so many others, positioned himself as a would-be leader or influence-peddler in the movement, probably at least partially because he acknowledges the real and very human limits of his patience which make him unsuitable for dealing with spergs, which is a necessary part of the job. Some people have too much self-respect or just better things to do than forbear endlessly in the face of provocations from these little nothings who make trouble on twitter. I can understand that and and respect it to a certain extent. God knows if I were in VD's position I would probably have been driven insane years ago by the constant snapping of these mangy dogs.

I ignore over a dozen attacks a day from randos here, on Twitter, and on Gab. I mostly just mute them; occasionally I block them. Every now and then, the VFM get restless and I throw one to them. That seems quite reasonable to me and hardly merits being described as either a war or a breaking of the truce.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 12:04 PM  

@95 Billy Ray,

Didnt you go back yet?!

Anonymous Jack Amok June 29, 2017 12:05 PM  

I will call a sperg a sperg, but I will also own sperg if it belongs to me and mine.

Fair enough, but then your response is "Hey Ninetails you effin' idiot, shut up! You're out of line."

The question is "who's bitch is this?" If he's yours, coach him up.

Blogger allyn71 June 29, 2017 12:09 PM  

The only way to defeat globalism in Europe is through nationalism, not racial identity.

I will sit in amazement as the Alt-Retards fail to grasp this simple statement....again.

When you are called "Cucks" it is because like the Cuckservatives you think the solution lies in globalism lite and will work if only you run it. THERE IS NO EUROPEAN IDENTITY. WHITE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT NATIONS. NATIONS ARE BUILT ON TRIBE. TRIBE TRUMPS RACE. It isn't that hard guys.

Anonymous johnc June 29, 2017 12:09 PM  

@104 In the first case, Cerno and his group getting their panties in a wad over spencer is stupid. There is no reason that couldn’t have been handled “backstage” instead of as a public brouhaha.

The point there was to publicly signal one's anti-racism. We're seeing it a lot all of a sudden in some of the more popular types that are making a career out of Trump's victory. Cernovich, Jack Posobiec, now we have Laura Loomer, etc.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 12:10 PM  

@ 80. TheSmokingMan

Well put. Concerning the real spergs within the AltRight; I see them as young warriors. They are always spoiling for a fight but lack the individual agency to select their own targets.

Great description, but I would add that it is also like a bunch of young men who aren’t quite sure enough of themselves to fight the opponent, so they push and shove one another to show off their bravado. Collectively the right needs to mature and accept that the end result of the views of the Alt-x are combat (political or otherwise) with the left. The “young men” of the right must grow to embrace and crave that combat, not shy from it. They must learn to love the rush of endorphins on first contact and the thrill of submitting your opponent.

Blogger Mocheirge June 29, 2017 12:16 PM  

VD wrote:The European nations are their own identities. They don't have any white identity.

I try to explain to people I know that Europe has a better chance of recovering from refugee cancer than the US has, but civnat is so ingrained here in the US that they don't want to hear it. Every European nation has an identity already, and it will eventually give them the spine to repel the invaders. The US state today has no identity beyond "muh majical equalizing paperwork".

Anonymous johnc June 29, 2017 12:20 PM  

@113

Globalism is not the problem that is killing (Western) Europe and America. As such, nationalism is not the solution to their problems.

Globalism is just a symptom.

If all you're trying to do is fight globalism, you're off on the wrong battlefield.

There is something seriously wrong with the contemporary (Western) white man. It's psychological, it's spiritual, it's in the flesh, it's in the intellect, it's in the will. It's not globalism.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 12:20 PM  

"I try to explain to people I know that Europe has a better chance of recovering from refugee cancer than the US has, but civnat is so ingrained here in the US that they don't want to hear it. Every European nation has an identity already, and it will eventually give them the spine to repel the invaders. The US state today has no identity beyond "muh majical equalizing paperwork"."

Shit, that makes sense.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 12:26 PM  

US identity will be rebuilt through "trial by fire" and there will end up being multiple identites some of the new identities will be compatible and cooperative, some..... will not.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 12:28 PM  

Europe has a better chance of recovering from refugee cancer than the US has

If nothing else consider that most of europe is still 80 - 85% "european" the US is only about 65% "american" and most of the major urban centers are heavily minority and neo-marxists.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 12:28 PM  

I try to explain to people I know that Europe has a better chance of recovering from refugee cancer than the US has, but civnat is so ingrained here in the US that they don't want to hear it. Every European nation has an identity already, and it will eventually give them the spine to repel the invaders. The US state today has no identity beyond "muh majical equalizing paperwork".

Exactly. And what the Alt-White is advocating is trying to inculcate a sense of civic racialism in Europe as a bulwark against foreign invasion instead of simply utilizing the nationalism that is already strong there. It's a utterly crazy and foolish strategy.

The answer to globalism and multiculturalism is nationalism + Christianity.

Blogger Unknown June 29, 2017 12:30 PM  

The only way to defeat globalism in Europe is through nationalism, not racial identity.

So we should disavow our racial identity? And instead embrace a sort of insular civic nationalism?? Should we pretend that whites from Scandinavia, Britain, and continental Europe have no shared values or interests, or culture?

Really?


Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2017 12:33 PM  

@104 Grayman, I don't disagree with you in some of those particular cases. And I'd suggest that there are backroom discussions going on, but we don't see them and can't guess how much of the public stuff they're forestalling, because, you know, they're backroom. It'd be good to have more of that, and I think it is developing organically, like you said.

But there are two reasons the public disputes will continue:

1) Sperges who get expelled or ignored by private groups, so they have to act out in public.

2) As the Alt-Right grows and takes individuals and influence away from the other Alt-whatever groups, they're not going to give them up without a fight, and that fight will be in public.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 12:36 PM  

No, you should avow your SPECIFIC national identity, not a watered down one that EU is pushing on us.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 12:36 PM  

National being ethnic. Nation is not state, and state is not nation.

Blogger Mocheirge June 29, 2017 12:36 PM  

Grayman wrote:If nothing else consider that most of europe is still 80 - 85% "european" the US is only about 65% "american" and most of the major urban centers are heavily minority and neo-marxists.

According to civnat, America is 100% American (technically 90% American and 10% future-American). How can such a united people lose?

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 12:40 PM  

I remember coming to the Christianity conclusion too. It was a process of evaluating each axiom and following it all the way to the conclusion.

We cannot make heaven on earth.

Heaven has wall, and a gate.

Hell is described as a void, no walls.

Trying to make an world with no walls, physical or moral, will lead to a close approximation of hell.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 12:40 PM  

So we should disavow our racial identity? And instead embrace a sort of insular civic nationalism?? Should we pretend that whites from Scandinavia, Britain, and continental Europe have no shared values or interests, or culture?

No. No. And no.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 12:47 PM  

Listen, dumbasses. You Americans don't HAVE a nation. We have a nation. You cannot fathom how unthinkable it would be to throw one's lot with the Swedes, being a Finn. If that's what you suggest, then you are an enemy.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 12:47 PM  

Said shared values, interests or culture are very often not sufficient.

Because if they were in an amount to be sufficient, the groups would have very likely already have been a nation beforehand.

Anonymous The Smoking Man June 29, 2017 12:47 PM  

Vox, perhaps a Castalia House artist can draw a picture...
that may help them understand.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 12:49 PM  

"Vox should be invited as a speaker to that Unite the Right event in August and he should accept."

We should all cream at the thought. If someone like Vox would be willing to stand with "literal Nazis" (and _literal Nazis_) I'm sure the vast, vast majority of them would be ~willing~ eager to stand with someone like him, which is what the whole event is about. For better or for worse, the "Alt Reich"/"Alt White" is an integral component of this movement. They can no more be run out of it than they could run out the VFMs, Cernovich or ProudBoys. The only way to remove anyone from the movement is to convince them to remove themselves and its a rarity.

But I think its safe to assume that it won't happen because of the whole "white" issue. Some people are just not comfortable with "whiteness" (theirs and others') and never will be. Likewise, some of the "literal Nazis" (and _literal Nazis_) are not comfortable with "non-whiteness" and never will be. It's unfortunate that the outliers get to dictate terms to everybody.

But I have to be a partisan for a second here and say that as far as the detractors of whiteness as an identity and an identity movement go, they are fighting a losing battle. "White" is a legitimate, salient identity (in America now, and it will be in Europe soon if things don't change dramatically; you can't prevent people from noticing patterns forever) and it will only become more so.

I love it when right-wingers tell me there's no such thing as the white race or that if there is I shouldn't care about it. Like, "We're standing right in front of you bro - A whole generation of white boys who have never identified as anything else lol." For us, when we encounter a white-race-denialist it feels how I imagine it felt to meet someone who denied that germs cause illness. For us it is just obvious and we can't fathom how anyone with eyes and a brain could deny it. When we meet people who want to rob us of the only identity we've ever had, it should be easy to understand why we react with hostility.

Identity politics is the future and these folks want to make sure white people are not only without arms and defenses, they want to take away from us the very prerequisite that gives us a right to sit at the new political-identity table at all. The leftists are at least willing to deal us into the identity game, even if it is from a stacked deck. The boomer race-denialists want us to just sit in the corner on the cuck stool babbling to ourselves about "I'm an Irish-American, not white!" while our collective patrimony is expropriated by rigidly in-grouped racial aliens. America was intended to belong to "Free WHITE persons of good character." The literal NazisTM didn't write that, the Congress of the United States did. Deal with it.

And no, no one in the Alt Right thinks Bosnian or Albanian Muslims are white. Total canard. "Whiteness" is fuzzy around the edges like all racial identities are. In borderline cases we always defer to self-identity. This is not controversial and the only people who seek to make it controversial are boomer race-denialists. Interestingly, they only deny the white race and are happy to accord racial-group status to every other group, including "Latinos" and "East Asians".

@VD/110 - It was the employment of certain terms that seem intended to smear an entire segment of the movement that raised my hackles in this instance.

@Jack Amok/112 - absolutely 100% correct.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 12:49 PM  

@113 said "I will sit in amazement as the Alt-Retards fail to grasp this simple statement that" the only way to defeat globalism in Europe is through nationalism, not racial identity.

Because the establishment spends all of its time and energy clamping down on "nationalists" and not "racialists"...right. Boomers just don't get it. They didn't grow up in a foreign country so they just don't get it. The idea that because white people have different nations they are somehow not part of one racial family just looks preposterous on its face to anyone born after 1982. Latinos have lots of different countries - they even have lots of intra-Latino rivalries. But Allyn and the other boomers would never argue that they were not a racial family in spite of that.

As the siren song of boomer race-denialism grows fainter, weaker and more laughable every day these people get more and more disconnected from reality which is why they appear increasingly agitated and dumbfounded at how no one will listen to their sage wisdom anymore. It's because we have eyes to see.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 29, 2017 12:55 PM  

It's psychological, it's spiritual, it's in the flesh, it's in the intellect, it's in the will. It's not globalism.

It's not JUST globalism. But it's globalism too.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 12:56 PM  

@Old Ez
Like, "We're standing right in front of you bro - A whole generation of white boys who have never identified as anything else lol."

As various Europeans have been telling you, only Americans have had that experience. When pondering their identity, the Frenchman thinks of himself as being French, not white.

White is a distant, albeit correct, descriptor for them, kind of like "North American" is for us. It's certainly not an identity.

Blogger allyn71 June 29, 2017 1:00 PM  

I have never seen a title more justly earned than Alt-Retard. Women have a better grasp of logic than the lot of you.

Sperg on retards.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 1:03 PM  

Native Americans had nations. By God's grace, us European nations had BETTER nations. So, we took their nations. And created a federation there.

That's all good, but it's not a nation. There CANNOT be "nationalism" among white Americans, because there is no nation. There can be white separatism, but not nationalism.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 1:04 PM  

"the Frenchman thinks of himself as being French, not white."

He does indeed. How long do you think that is going to last with his television telling him 24/7 that the MENA savages who raped his mother are "just as much Frenchmen" as he is?

Blogger Calven June 29, 2017 1:07 PM  

It's hilarious to those outside the bubble. Little squeaky voiced hand puppets hitting each other with sticks.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 1:08 PM  

And no, no one in the Alt Right thinks Bosnian or Albanian Muslims are white. Total canard.

Correction: no one in the American Alt-Right. It is not a canard. Because they are, indubitably, white. They are whiter than Italians and Greeks.

A whole generation of white boys who have never identified as anything else lol.

You're not listening to the Europeans. Listen to the Finn. Listen to the American Indian who has lived in Europe for 20 years. Europeans. Do. Not. Identify. As. White. They identify as with their nations, because, unlike the Americans, they have not been denationalized.

FFS, they usually identify with their villages against the next village. I often can tell what village someone is from, and what soccer team they play for, by their last name alone.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 1:09 PM  

Vox should be invited as a speaker to that Unite the Right event in August and he should accept.

Where is it? I would consider it if it is in Europe.

Anonymous BBGKB June 29, 2017 1:18 PM  

When pondering their identity, the Frenchman thinks of himself as being French, not white.

The Frenchman says "Damn those African Americans rioting in Paris, no wonder the world hates Americans".

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 1:18 PM  

"Gee whiz, the state's news tell me that a negro is a Finn, I'm so confused now! I don't know what Finn is anymore! I guess I'll just have to make common ground with Swedes and Russians then, because their skin looks the same as mine."

This is so utterly moronic I can't even more than a millennial can't even.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 1:19 PM  



Americans may not have that level of identity fully formed but there are nacent kernels (west coast, northeast, south east, down to state level) that exist and will probably be the seeds of what develops.

Vox,
In the light of your comment the impacts of desgregation, HUD, "fair housing / section 8" and all of the other social engineering that has gone into quietly and steadily breaking up homogeneous communitites wihtin the US becomes painfully obvious. As does the rousing success of those efforts to date.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 1:20 PM  

144 was a reply to:

You're not listening to the Europeans. Listen to the Finn. Listen to the American Indian who has lived in Europe for 20 years. Europeans. Do. Not. Identify. As. White. They identify as with their nations, because, unlike the Americans, they have not been denationalized.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 1:20 PM  

"FFS, they usually identify with their villages against the next village. I often can tell what village someone is from, and what soccer team they play for, by their last name alone."

This is why it is the height of cruelty to double the village population with orcs.

Its like Wormtounge settled 100 orcs in Snowbourne, a settlement within Rohan. A hundred orcs is enough.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 1:22 PM  

"There CANNOT be "nationalism" among white Americans, because there is no nation."

The kinds of arguments that the white-race-denialists depend on are uniformly of this type, a priori and spuriously deductive. They never actually look at the empirical situation. They start from abstract premises and proceed to pile dubiously deduction on top of deduction until the desired conclusion is reached. Never will these folks bother just asking someone, "do you identify more as a 'white' person or more as a Scots-Irish" because they know what the honest answer is.

"Because they are, indubitably, white." - You can choose to adopt the shallow, leftist, race-denialist definition of race being "literally skin deep" if you want, but virtually no one in the Alt Right does. The Alt Right does not believe that "White Skin=White Person". The more people try to promote that canard the more disingenuous it looks.

"They are whiter than Italians and Greeks." - Indeed. Which should tell you that "whiteness" has far less to do with pigment than you imagine it does.

"You're not listening to the Europeans." - But I don't care about what the Europeans think. The Europeans are going to need to save themselves. I do not see them as agency-less babies as some others do. I don't understand why anyone is arguing against the idea that our models of white nationalism in the US are going to translate to Europe...because no one is arguing that they will. What we are arguing is that if things do not change, Europeans are going to be *forced by the logic of circumstances* to accept that they belong to a broader racial family. Either they do that, or they go extinct. Why will they go extinct? Because every *other* racial group sees them as a unified racial group. That's what you guys don't address. You ignore the fact that while Europeans may not consider themselves white, and they may not want to be considered white by others, *that is how other races see them*. When a BLM terrorists is chasing a white person through the streets of Chicago, do you think they perceiving themselves to be chasing a "WASP" or a "German Lutheran" lol? Likewise, when Ali al Wanastabya is plowing through a throng of pedestrians, do you really think he's aiming for "French" or "English" people? No. He's aiming for the kufar, the European and the White.

And again, the idea that distinct white nations (and villages, and families) exist has nothing whatsoever to do with acknowledging that those nations are part of the same extended family. No one has ever made a logical proof that the national identity is contrary to a broader racial identity. It's just that the commonalities stay occluded until they are juxtaposed with Semitic and African phenotypes.

Blogger cassius dio June 29, 2017 1:23 PM  

VD your point also gets to the idea of subsidiarity in government, a leadership idea that starts in Exodus I think and has been a predominant idea in Christianity.

Anonymous Trump Voter June 29, 2017 1:23 PM  

The Alt-Retards will never understand there is only one race... the human race.

Anonymous Grayman June 29, 2017 1:24 PM  

@143 markuu

Consider that the deconstruction of local identity in americans has been pursued since at least the end of the US civil war, for more than 150 years.

after 150 years of social deconstructioon, is an entirely reasobale statement since it is the only one that is easily and arbitrarily identifable despite the societies claiims otherwise.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 1:25 PM  

@Old Ez
He does indeed. How long do you think that is going to last with his television telling him 24/7 that the MENA savages who raped his mother are "just as much Frenchmen" as he is?

It'll last a lot longer than you think it will. The pre-conditions are different, and the enemy action is different than in America.

For Americans, we had at least 50 years downplaying of American nationalism (really, American identity) and the constant narrative of 'white vs black'.

Meanwhile, for the various Europeans their main enemy had been active at best 20 years ago, but there was no 'white vs black' drum they could beat as reliably as in the west. Thus, national identity was still relevant and there was no white identity being pushed.

Remember, Diversity + Proximity = War. Europe as a whole has a lot less space, so whenever Diversity came in, war starts a LOT sooner. There will be no slow burn whilst the various nations lose their identity. It's already showing signs of spiralling out of control.

So when the TV telling that young Frenchman that the savages are just as French as he is, he's not going to believe them. And the people who do, wind up dead via said savages. Hooray, charity.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 1:26 PM  

Old Ez wrote:The kinds of arguments that the white-race-denialists depend on are uniformly of this type, a priori and spuriously deductive. They never actually look at the empirical situation.

Then simply don't call it nationalism, and hence not be vulnerable to the argument. Because it's not nationalism. Depending on your goals, it's either white supremacism or white separatism. You get the exact same (and proper) white identity, which IS an identity in USA due to the situation. And the exact same solutions. But you're describing the enterprise accurately.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 29, 2017 1:33 PM  

Markku wrote:how unthinkable it would be to throw one's lot with the Swedes, being a Finn. If that's what you suggest, then you are an enemy.
And if you're an enemy ... you're gonna get cut.

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 1:35 PM  

It's odd, how the sanest arguers for "white nationalism" have had an odd definition for white nationalism, one that didn't fit the mould of "______ Nationalism".

Then you have other, different people who come on and argue earnestly for a unified white nation in Europe.

Anonymous andon June 29, 2017 1:43 PM  

141. Blogger VD June 29, 2017 1:09 PM
Vox should be invited as a speaker to that Unite the Right event in August and he should accept.

Where is it? I would consider it if it is in Europe.


August 12th Charlottesville, VA :(

Anonymous johnc June 29, 2017 1:51 PM  

@154

I don't see too many here arguing for a "unified white nation in Europe".

Also, I guess the criticism is of Spencer's outfit and also orgs like Identity Evropa or whatever. But aren't these primarily US-based orgs with US-based action for US-based results? Why are they being criticized for not having the "right solution" for Europe if they're focused on the US? To me it makes plain sense for such a movement in the US to organize around common European ancestry.

Maybe they overstep their boundaries when they encourage Europeans to work together to attack a common enemy, but that isn't the focus of their work.

To me it looks like Identity Evropa is a distinctly American group. I'd bet its members are probably 95% US citizens and their action is almost entirely in the US, when the Oathcucks aren't kicking them out of rallies. So what's wrong with this group for America?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 29, 2017 1:52 PM  

the MENA savages who raped his mother are "just as much Frenchmen" as he is?

Y'know, once they're raping his MOTHER I'm pretty sure he's no longer buying the globalist schtick.

Blogger Koanic June 29, 2017 1:52 PM  

Who wants to replace European nationalisms with white nationalism?

We want to replace Communist anti-racist globalism with white nationalism.

Similarly, we advocate family values, without advocating that everyone belong to the same family.

Nobody writing in native English is much interested in Finnish nationalism. That doesn't mean we oppose it. It is simply none of our business.

> Then you have other, different people who come on and argue earnestly for a unified white nation in Europe.

Who?

Blogger Student in Blue June 29, 2017 2:07 PM  

@156. johnc
I don't see too many here arguing for a "unified white nation in Europe".

Indeed, but a few do show up every once in a while.

It makes me wonder why people hang their hat on the term 'white nationalism' when their working definition is far closer to 'white omninationalism'.

Blogger S1AL June 29, 2017 2:12 PM  

"That's all good, but it's not a nation. There CANNOT be "nationalism" among white Americans, because there is no nation. There can be white separatism, but not nationalism."

This is only half-true. The primary problems that the USA faces in this regard are (a) regional megacities, (b) the size of the country. I can simultaneously despise East Coast leftists for what they are, but still see them as fellow Americans, unlike, say, Piers Morgan. And yet I can say that California and New York are functionally separate countries. It's complicated, and a lot of it boils down to scale. In a global war, they're Americans. Within America, they're something else. But unlike the individual European nations, I still regard them as fellow nationals. For now.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 2:29 PM  

But I don't care about what the Europeans think.

And I don't care about what the Americans think about Europe. So do what you think best with regards to the USA and stop pushing irrelevant nonsense at those of us who live in Europe and face very different challenges.

Blogger FrankNorman June 29, 2017 2:29 PM  

Anyone else getting the impression that some people posting here are being stupid on purpose?

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 29, 2017 2:30 PM  

Most of the Alt white Alt Retard and Alt Reich are Leftists and not our allies anyway

Nazis like other Leftists are inimical to Western Civ anyway

The only reason we tolerate them at all is that we all want to preserve the European peoples and Western nations and so long as we can work to those goals and can avoid infighting we can concentrate on the bigger picture , that goal. The enemy of my enemy is my enemies enemy

The single caveat, the dimmest possibility is if the entire edifice of the US collapses somehow the .Alt Retards get smart enough, organized enough and free of FedGov infiltrators enough to pull a "Northwest Front" scenario in some rump lands.

Otherwise thank providence there are no scenarios in which White Nationalism or Nazism 2.x is a thing,best they are getting is sending more non Whites, illegals, children of illegals and various migrants home with as little violence as possible and therefore a Whiter nation

It should be plenty enough and hall of a lot better than the alternative

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 29, 2017 2:39 PM  

The only reason we tolerate them at all is that we all want to preserve the European peoples and Western nations and so long as we can

And they may know some hot blonde women. The non-spergs, anyway.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 2:43 PM  

"Most of the Alt white Alt Retard and Alt Reich are Leftists and not our allies anyway

Nazis like other Leftists are inimical to Western Civ anyway "

"Boom boom boom" the boomer boomed boomingly.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 2:45 PM  

"The only reason we tolerate them at all "

>implying you could do anything about us if you wanted to. xDDDddd

This is our movement, you're just a spectator.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 29, 2017 2:47 PM  

Anyone else getting the impression that some people posting here are being stupid on purpose?

Yes. It's dangerous to underestimate people's stupidity, but I think there's some intentional obtuseness on this topic.

Blogger Happy LP9 June 29, 2017 2:49 PM  

From the youtube chan, he likes Milo so maybe here is hope but I doubt it.

109 its more incensing to women to use the term 'henhouser or henhousing or it reaches them faster to stop poor behavior.'

Blogger Happy LP9 June 29, 2017 2:59 PM  

5 Vox doesn't do anything wrong, evil pple attack him.

It is unfortunate to nonsensical to insult the host whom is trying to help others understand concepts...never mind, then I found this, MPAI, and he had the gall to tell Brittany.

Quote:
Tariq Nasheed‏Verified account
@tariqnasheed

An Alt-Right white Supremacist named Antonio Foreman was allegedly stabbed 9 times out here in Los Angeles today


https://twitter.com/BrianNinetails/statu...0491971585

Quote:
Brian Ninetails‏
@BrianNinetails

Replying to @BrittPettibone
Oathkeepers are persona non grata at this point and i wish he died

http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-820429.html

I wish he had a manifesto to preach from instead of pestering Vox.

OT: Did the guy on the board of directors resign or asked to resign? (Greg/oathkeepers issue)

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 29, 2017 3:10 PM  

Old Ez wrote:"Most of the Alt white Alt Retard and Alt Reich are Leftists and not our allies anyway

Nazis like other Leftists are inimical to Western Civ anyway "

"Boom boom boom" the boomer boomed boomingly.


Actually I'm Gen X not that it matters

And Nazism, National Socialism (Alright National Democratic Workers Socialism if you prefer didn't work the last time and wouldn't this time.

It also violates half of the 16 points and I'm being generous

1, Socialists are not Alt Right

4 It throws away our legacy for Teutonic mysticism

5 Its expansionist, genocidal and denies other nations and peoples are rights to exist

6 Its fundamentally globalist

8 Its anti scientodic

10 Because Nazism is about ruling others
15 The .Alt Right is anti Supremacy no White supremacist

and last 16 , because Nazism is about constant war

So WN/NDSAP types are opposed to half the points of the .Alt Right

This is that many less than the Progs or Neo Cons.

The only thing going is the WN /NDSAP crowd is that they are pro White survival and as such we can work together on issues of the survival of the various Caucasian peoples so long as they keep the truce

Otherwise they aren't our friends and I'd guess for the most part are unreliable, shitty allies though if it goes bad, we'll find out if that's true

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 29, 2017 3:16 PM  

Old Ez wrote:"The only reason we tolerate them at all "

>implying you could do anything about us if you wanted to. xDDDddd

This is our movement, you're just a spectator.


Hit a nerve did I?

Why would I want to do anything about it? We aren't enemies and as long as you aren't shooting at us literally or figuratively you can do whatever you want

In any case these are separate movements going in vaguly similar directions (A Whiter US and Europe)_ .

Our guys are just a wide range of people who share many ideas and goals in common, a sort of leaderless resistances like ya'll we on about in the 80's and 90's

Your guys are mostly Feds

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 3:17 PM  

@170 why do you think the "16 Points" has anything to do with the movement call the Alt Right? The 16 points are just a few very carefully chosen items *read off* of the Alt Right. If you ask 100 active Alt Right kids what they think about the "16 Points", no more than 5 will even know what you're talking about. NOw, ask them about the 14 words and the 88 thesis and all of them will know immediately. The 16 points have had no influence on the development of the Alt Right; they are a product of the Alt Right, not what created it. It would be like saying that a model of the lunar lander is where NASA got the idea to go to the moon. I say this with respect to VD and the points themselves.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 3:20 PM  

A.B. you should *really* consider getting out from behind your computer and joining or starting an IRL group. I founded one in 2015 and now we have over 30 active members in my city. Not a weekend goes by that there isn't some event. We're in the process of creating a womens' auxiliary as well. But seriously, step away from the keyboard every once in a while and try to connect with real people. It will open your eyes as to what our movement (the Alt Right) is and you might even consider joining it some day.

Blogger Koanic June 29, 2017 3:21 PM  

> Europeans are going to be *forced by the logic of circumstances* to accept that they belong to a broader racial family. Either they do that, or they go extinct.

Not at an identity level. They can be their ethnonational identity or something more local just fine.

Obviously it helps if the intellectuals are aware of genetic distance kinship implications, but that's not identity.

Your statement is true of white Americans but not Europeans.

I guess if Richard Suspencer and Greg Johnson are pushing this line hard it would get annoying. Like demanding that the guy on the snowmobile put on snowshoes.

Blogger James Dixon June 29, 2017 3:21 PM  

> vox day - the poster child of butt hurt whiny crybabies

What's the matter, Billy Ray, afraid you'll lose your position?

> August 12th Charlottesville, VA :(

I'm sure they could set up a video conference if they wanted to.

> And yet I can say that California and New York are functionally separate countries.

The bay area and New York City, specifically. Upstate New York is fairly nice and inland California is fairly nice, they're just outvoted. If either actually did try to leave they'd find over half the area of each state voting to stay.

Blogger S1AL June 29, 2017 3:21 PM  

Oh, right, I forgot that they think they're the "real alt right". All 600 of them. Freaking LARPers.

Blogger Old Ez June 29, 2017 3:27 PM  

"I guess if Richard Suspencer and Greg Johnson are pushing this line hard"

A person could utter that statement is grossly ignorant of the Alt Right and what is going on in it. "Richard Suspencer and Greg Johnson pushing" *anything* together is CNN-tier fake news people. Wewlads.

Blogger Koanic June 29, 2017 3:40 PM  

I don't care what Nazi Mr. Rogers and gay Greg Johnson think. Vox connected them to the push for racial identity for Europeans. If that's wrong take it up with him. I do think Richard should consider changing his shoes at the beginning of each episode, while speaking in soothing ASMR about an implicitly-white puppet America. Wew lad!

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 3:43 PM  

A person could utter that statement is grossly ignorant of the Alt Right and what is going on in it. "Richard Suspencer and Greg Johnson pushing" *anything* together is CNN-tier fake news people. Wewlads.

He didn't say they were pushing it together. Both of them want to lead the Alt-White; they are rivals who share similar goals.

Blogger VFM #7634 June 29, 2017 4:01 PM  

. Reject Christianity because of Churchianity, and end up into ... some kind of faux paganism

@26 Cail Corishev
IMO that is one of the most common and salient traits of the Alt-Retard. They just can't accept that the liberalism that infests Churchianity is flat-out heresy, for multiple reasons, that would be acceptable to Judeo-Christ but not Jesus Christ.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 29, 2017 4:16 PM  

Old Ez wrote:@170 why do you think the "16 Points" has anything to do with the movement call the Alt Right? The 16 points are just a few very carefully chosen items *read off* of the Alt Right. If you ask 100 active Alt Right kids what they think about the "16 Points", no more than 5 will even know what you're talking about. NOw, ask them about the 14 words and the 88 thesis and all of them will know immediately. The 16 points have had no influence on the development of the Alt Right; they are a product of the Alt Right, not what created it. It would be like saying that a model of the lunar lander is where NASA got the idea to go to the moon. I say this with respect to VD and the points themselves.

fair points which still has nothing to do with the Nazis or Nazism or the other sort of groups. I don't think anything Socialist or totalitarian even if it has nationalist leanings can properly be right wing .

This however is an old argument among political theorists and has yet to be resolved

I also don't like the NDSAP/WN/ ideology very much and while I am a staunch immigration restriction advocate , race realist and believe many many have to go back , I see little reason to hate people as a main ideology

And while I concur that there is much more to the .Alt Right and Alt White than stuff on the web, I'm fond of my little corner and I think of all the models I've seen Vox's is the one with the best chance to work for many different peoples.

It works with minimal adjustment for everyone, is the best one for a peaceful prosperous future and is a good template and allows people like me who aren't tuned in as much as they'd like (no wife, no kids)

Its good software that can be adjusted with minimal effort for everybody as you can see from the number of languages its in.

On top of that I've read most of the .Alt Reich/WN stuff before Vox Day and even the best of it like The Right Stuff, the old Mindweapons in Ragnarok site or even Covington's Northwest Front simply don't have the ability to make a lasting civilization based on their own ideas.

They can't make it work any more than Stephan McNallen of the Asatru Folk Assembly can, a noble man, has .alt right views but his model is not sufficient either.

Vox's model while not complete is enough to work with

Now getting to the moon started ideas and but basically did require model of a lunar lander first

idea , model , action, achievement isn't a bad model and right now we are at the "model" stage , just agreeing on which capsule works and which or how many projects we can afford

We've had a few victories, test flights but there is much to do . I want to see that done and for us to win with as little bloodshed as possible , no unnecessary tyranny and without repeating mistakes we've made before

The .Alt White flies in the face of all those things.

That said so long as the truce is maintained, fellow travelers are always a good thing and for those that can't grok .Alt Right its good to have options

In the end the its .Alt Right or a new Dark Age . Choose wisely

Anonymous Deadmau5 Patton June 29, 2017 5:50 PM  

The "Alt-retard" as you like to call it is larger and faster growing than your non-existent faction.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 5:55 PM  

That reminds me of the atheist parody statement, "God doesn't exist, and I hate him!"

Anonymous Heywood June 29, 2017 6:36 PM  

This whole white vs Euro-national thing is overwrought. Yes, primary identity in Europe is national, always were, and "white" did no more deserve consideration than "human". Everyone was white, so that was no distinction. And nationality is going to remain the primary European identity. In the US, it's something of a Palestinian situation. There where no Palestinians, but just like the creation of Israel inevitably brought the Palestinians into being, so has the relentless polticial and cultural disapproval of whites in America created them as a people. US whites are a people, a nation, in the same sense that US blacks are. And if that sense is yet a much weaker thing than European national identity, it is early days yet.

Nobody is forcing a unitary European identity on Europe, except the EU globalists, and there is no one even remotly on the right side of the polticial divide that doesn't regard EU as the Whore of Babylon. If I may speculate, something of an emerging white identity will eventually make itself felt in Europe too, as even wierdos like Finns start to look like "my guys" in comparison to the African/Mohammedan deluge. But not to the extent that it will happen in America, simply because US whites have no other true national identities to fall back on whilte Europeans certainly do.

But will "white" eventually become a signifier of a common cause, a communality of interest for the native peoples of Europe facing similar genocidal pressure from the globalist onslaught of the third world invaders? Almost certainly. And that is no problem at all.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 29, 2017 6:44 PM  

ninetails? Does that mean he has 9 gay masters?

Blogger Were-Puppy June 29, 2017 7:00 PM  

@29 Mark

VD please stop using the pejorative terms 'AltWhite' and 'AltReich'.
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Man you are killing me here HAHAHAHAHAA

Blogger Were-Puppy June 29, 2017 7:12 PM  

This topic is a bounty of concerned cucks

Blogger Were-Puppy June 29, 2017 7:17 PM  

@70 Old Ez

But when one sperg is allowed to unilaterally declare hostilities on behalf of everyone, what's the point?
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From the OP:
We have had a successful ceasefire with the Alt-White for a while now. Apparently it is off as far as this Brian Ninetails is concerned, whoever he is. Because I am kind, you may consider him a snack. The leashes are off. But leave everyone else out of it, until we see which way they decide to jump or if they have the sense to leave him to his fate.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 29, 2017 7:28 PM  

@95 Billy Ray
vox day - the poster child of butt hurt whiny crybabies
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Get 'im Uncle Scooby! Get 'im Uncle Scooby!

Blogger Were-Puppy June 29, 2017 7:37 PM  

@126 Mocheirge

According to civnat, America is 100% American (technically 90% American and 10% future-American). How can such a united people lose?
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That's why I throw around the term Fake American a lot with CivNats. And they usually agree with it. A little redpill here, a little redpill there.

Blogger John Calabro June 29, 2017 10:02 PM  

How do people not realize that Europeans don't identify with as White or Europeans but their race, language, food, traditions, religion and other cultural things that relate to their group. That is why Soviet union broke up, why Yugoslav didn't work, and why Ireland left the British empire. It even goes further than just nations even regions, my grandfather is from the south of Italy and spoke with what Americans would call southern dialect call calabrese and even the food is prepare differently. If my any of my family goes back to Italy and speaks with calabrese in the north in say places such as Rome or Milan we get a different look and may treat us differently. In some rare cases they will refuse to serve and it is better to speak in an English with an American accent. Hey vox talking on the European identity is not the US full of different white identities as well. I mean people in New York would consider themselves different to people of Alabama. I have travel around the states talk to different people, I can say not always the case but whites from California did not relate well to say whites from Texas.

Blogger Lazarus June 29, 2017 10:25 PM  

Old Ez wrote:If you ask 100 active Alt Right kids what they think about the "16 Points", no more than 5 will even know what you're talking about. NOw, ask them about the 14 words and the 88 thesis and all of them will know immediately. The 16 points have had no influence on the development of the Alt Right; they are a product of the Alt Right, not what created it.

14-88 is a dead end.
16 points are a manifesto.
The alt-right of the 14-88 will wither and die. hoisted on their own petard.
The alt-right of the 16 points will thrive.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 30, 2017 12:39 AM  

There's a hierarchy. Family, Clan, Tribe, Nation, Race. A Frenchman belongs to the French Nation and the White (or Caucasian) Race. But the national ties are stronger than the racial ones.

I'm not Alt-White, I wouldn't be caught dead LARPing in a Hugo Boss uniform, and I don't believe there is any sort of pan-European White identity, now or just over the horizon.

But I don't reject the idea of an American "nationalism" that - while probably never properly referred to as a "White" nationalism will amount to such for practical purposes. I think what Colin Woodard called "nations" in his book were (most of them) really Tribes. A Yankee tribe, an Appalachian tribe, a Southron tribe, a Virginian tribe...

In 1776, when the Founding Fathers decided it was necessary to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with their erstwhile English brethren, they created a new nation. They has thought of themselves as Englishmen, part of the English nation, but the senior members of the English nation had a) installed a German prince on their throne, and - more importantly - made it quite clear to the colonists they didn't consider them Englishment because they denied them the rights of Englishmen and instead treated them as subjugated foreigners.

What nation do you belong to? The one that will have you. If you travel far enough long enough, the land of your ancestors won't take you back and you make a new nation out of what you have.

I think there is an American nation, and it is composed of tribes that cautiously get along when under outside pressure and squabble mightily when not.

Anonymous David of One June 30, 2017 12:42 AM  

@100 Old Ez

"... People like Billy Ray, David of One, Elizabeth Warren or ??, 17:02 are unequivocally part of the problem. ..."

Friendly fire or just plain inattentiveness on your part? Maybe a new prescription for those "peepers" of yours?

1. You're new to me as I haven't seen your moniker over the last 10+ years here until today. Then again, I don't frequent here daily like I used except to read VD's posts here and at Gab.ai.

2. You espouse the virtues of being nice and all to the various flavors of similar minded folk on the "Alt-" then fire off a potshot on our side. Being nice sucks and any more is a fools folly when dealing with converged liberal Marxist mal-educated facist SJW fucktards, wannabes or familiars regardless of which banner they tout.

3. Assuming your potshot was provoked by my Merlin response ... VD and I may very well have more hair than you and so it is a personal trigger for you even when not directed to you. If your trying to garner points with VD by fighting "bad guys" via misdirected potshots and looking for polyps in his colon. Stop. VD can more than adequately handle himself anywhere, anytime and with anyone. VD is not a respecter of smudged noses. (But hey! ... sometime oaths of fealty is performed that way.)

4. Merlin and his apprentices have sworn fealty to the Dark Lord.

Please keep your downrange fire pointed downrange.

Cheers!

David of One

Blogger Alexandros June 30, 2017 2:38 AM  

Heywood wrote:But will "white" eventually become a signifier of a common cause, a communality of interest for the native peoples of Europe facing similar genocidal pressure from the globalist onslaught of the third world invaders? Almost certainly. And that is no problem at all.

That's more or less what a lot of us assume will happen in burger land.

Blogger Kristophr June 30, 2017 3:29 PM  

Didn't the SS kill all the queer brownshirts during the night of the long knives?

So exactly why is a queer nazi-LARPing? Not that I am a nazi, but it seems strange to me.

Blogger Someguy July 01, 2017 2:47 AM  

Italy, Greece, Swede, France, and the UK have their own problems. If they don't want White Americans to care about them than fine, I won't. Besides, I don't think you are the right person to be speaking on behalf of "all" Europeans to begin with.

Blogger Someguy July 01, 2017 2:57 AM  

Vox, why do you help perpetuate old hatreds that destroyed Europe in the past? We all know you do not speak for all White people, whether they be Dutch, French, Greek or American, so why are you trying to do so?

I am not that concerned with someone that is dumb enough to consider a French person as more of a threat than an African. They have already proven that they cannot conceptualize the new world that we have already entered. We are never again going to let stupid grievances create conflict. Anyone ho does so should be shunned as far as I am concerned. If entire nations persist, than quite frankly they deserve to be consumed by Africa, and that is exactly what is going to happen.

Blogger Markku July 01, 2017 8:57 PM  

^This right here is what a REAL enemy looks like.

Blogger great_o'rety July 01, 2017 11:45 PM  

Markku wrote:You cannot fathom how unthinkable it would be to throw one's lot with the Swedes, being a Finn.

Or Russians for that matter, right Markku? We, Poles, more than share this sentiment with you. And our Swedes are Germans. We're pretty similar if you look at it at this angle (and a few others), aren't we?

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