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Tuesday, June 20, 2017

Don't. Talk. To. The. Media.

Tommy Robinson is the latest to learn that it is a bad idea, even when it's live television:
Piers Morgan blasted former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson for being a “bigoted lunatic stirring up hatred” as he clashed with the right-wing activist this morning.

As Robinson pulled out a copy of the Koran on Good Morning Britain, Piers blasted him, saying: “Show some damn respect for people’s religious beliefs.“You’re sounding like a complete lunatic. You’re sounding like a bigoted lunatic.

“You’re stirring up hatred.

“You’re being a complete disgrace.”

Holding up the Koran, Robinson branded it a “violent and cursed book” and said: “This book is the reason we are in such a mess.”

Piers responded: “We’re in this mess because people take Islam, they are terrorists and they abuse the nature of Islam and… perpetrate evil.”

And the former EDL leader refused to accept Islam was a religion, saying: “Islam is an idea – a bad idea.” Asked if he was Islamophobic, Robinson retorted: “There’s no such word as Islamophobia. A phobia is an irrational fear, it’s not irrational to fear these things.”
I don't know if people's egos are simply too tempted by the thought of appearing on camera or if they truly believe they are smarter than almost every single person who has been summoned to play punching bag before them, but it's remarkable how whether a reasonable individual is conservative, Alt-Right, Alt-Lite, or simply nationalist, they are drawn like moths to the candleflame of the hostile media's cameras.

Tommy Robinson complained on Twitter:

Tommy Robinson @TRobinsonNewEra
Piers Morgan usual technique of not letting the person he is interviewing actually answer any questions.  Just...

Supreme Dark Lord‏  @voxday
Do you really not understand that you were there to be a punching bag? He was virtue-signaling at your expense. Don't talk to the media! 

When you are approached by the media, be it Megyn Kelly, Piers Morgan, Wired, The New York Times, or The Atlantic, you must understand that they see you as the content du jour. And the content is always folded, spindled, and mutilated to fit their current Narrative, which is NOT the reason they will give you when they try to get you to talk to them or appear on their show.

Here is the thing. You don't need the media. As Mike Cernovich points out, they need you. It is Piers Morgan whose name is on the headlines because Tommy Robinson was willing to make Morgan relevant today, not the other way around. Who is more relevant and has a bigger platform, Richard Spencer, who leaps to talk to the media, or Stefan Molyneux, who will not even return their emails?

And as both Mike and I have noticed, mainstream exposure doesn't even move the needle. Not in terms of blog traffic, Twitter followers, or book sales. It is probable pain for no gain. Whereas whenever he goes on Infowars or I go on FreeDomainRadio, we see observable bumps in one or more metrics.

In light of this, I should mention that I am modifying my media policy. Previously, I had been willing to answer written questions posed to me by reporters in writing. I have now learned that they will never run those answers because they cannot use them to fit the Narrative. So, I will not be replying to any mainstream media inquiries that do not specifically, and solely, concern Castalia House books, Infogalactic, or games for which I am the lead designer.

UPDATE: had to modify that and add Infogalactic since Wired is apparently doing a story on it. I don't know if it is a hit piece or a tech piece yet, but their questions - which I have answered in writing - were solely focused on tech-related issues. We'll see.

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133 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 20, 2017 8:02 AM  

Would you post those questions for us to answer, or at least mock?

Blogger Serge_Tomiko June 20, 2017 8:04 AM  

This love affair with Cernovich is becoming absurd.

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 8:17 AM  

In the US the major news networks only capture about 15 million viewers max between them, and the average age of their viewers is in the low to mid 60s. Who gives a shit about talking to that crowd? They're convinced they know everything because they're old--er, "experienced"--and can't even be bothered to learn how the world has changed in the internet age, let alone suffer the discomfort of realizing their whole worldview is built on bullshit.

Cue the NABALT cries.

I only watch the news stations occasionally for the entertainment of their editorial content. All election I'd watch events livestreamed online, then see how the news stations tried to tell me that something completely different from what I'd just fricking watched happened. Or outright ignore inconvenient events. What a bunch of lying faggots. I prefer scorpions; at least they're honest.

Blogger linesy June 20, 2017 8:17 AM  

Tommy can't help it he is so passionate about this cause, that he wants to take every opportunity to speak. You would be surprised though, most English people who actually listen to what he say's come away with a different perception than the one the BBC tried to inculcate for years. If England survives, there will be a statue of Tommy, but he will continue to be vilified in his lifetime. He has been a voice in the wilderness for a long time and has paid a heavy price for it, but his working class no bullshit approach is endearing him to a lot of irdunary people and their numbers grow every day

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 20, 2017 8:22 AM  

My guess he is like normal conservatives and tailgates the host and ending like he is a guilty party being interrogated.

It's really the host and his/her representation of the conventional wisdom that needs to be put on trial.

It really would be fun to mock the questions of a MSM zombie and of course mock the intellectuals who no doubt with a MSM audience go off into 5000 word essay mode to prove their smartness.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 20, 2017 8:30 AM  

Piers Morgan has made such a contemptible fool of himself with this cheap virtue signalling that so defiantly ignores reality


He deserves his reward: for him and only him to live under the destruction he embraces for his 30 shekels.

Blogger SirGroggy June 20, 2017 8:31 AM  

I didn't think it would be as bad as that. No matter how many times it happens, I am always freshly amazed and stunned when it happens again.

Some part of me always thinks that surely by now they must have realised that the zeitgeist has been changing and that perhaps they should listen at least for a few moments to see what it's all about.

Again I am just shocked into disbelief at either how wilfully ignorant and stupid the mainstream personalities are, or how utterly corrupt, dishonest and shamelessly deceitful they are to the depths of their non-souls.

How can these celebrated human beings be so disgracefully deaf, dumb, blind, stupid, spineless... or evil?

It truly is a phenomenon to behold in every single case and we are living in remarkable times.

Anonymous Rocklea June 20, 2017 8:41 AM  

"Here is the thing. You don't need the media. As Mike Cernovich points out, they need you. It is Piers Morgan whose name is on the headlines because Tommy Robinson was willing to make Morgan relevant today, not the other way around. Who is more relevant and has a bigger platform, Richard Spencer, who leaps to talk to the media, or Stefan Molyneux, who will not even return their emails?"

You make a salient point, they do need Tommy more than he needs them. The legacy media; hopefully soon to be impaled, or boiled in large vats of Saudi crude, I'm ambivalent on the method, while screaming "oh no!, You can't do this! Were tolerant you bigoted Nazi's!"; are still part of the battlescape. They tempered Tommy's steel, it is only fitting that he presides over their demise. I've been saying it a lot lately, The Emperor has no clothes, anyone who saw that interview, even though MPAI, is laughing at the naked visage of Piers Morgan and his forgettable co-host/ess or xe. The point is I love the fight, it's good for morale. In contrast to Alex, Tommy was well prepared and the theatrics of waving the Koran, does not translate to print and would have diminished affect in front a friendly host. Optics, the mood is shifting, and Tommy has the public pulse.

All that being said, I agree, don't talk to the media, leave it to the experts.

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2017 8:42 AM  

7. SirGroggy

"....or how utterly corrupt, dishonest and shamelessly deceitful they are to the depths of their non-souls."

"How can these celebrated human beings be so disgracefully deaf, dumb, blind, stupid, spineless... or evil?"

Yep, they are always twice or three times worse than even a cynic can imagine. They get that way by feeling they are angels. They are...possessed by fallen ones.

Blogger Ben Cohen June 20, 2017 8:43 AM  

Piers did the same thing when it came to guns.

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2017 8:50 AM  

I really, really like Tommy, and even identify with him (class background). This hit piece will have only a small negative effect on his popularity with his sort. His popularity will expand fiercely soon.

The globalist hatred for him and his people will probably get him killed.

Anonymous Jeff June 20, 2017 8:52 AM  

Perhaps I'm biased but I thought Tommy did quite well against the Piers Morgan onslaught. Tommy held is own.

Anonymous Determinator June 20, 2017 8:53 AM  

The first time I heard of Tommy Robinson, was after one of the numerous terrorist attacks in England. He was on the scene, with his own crew, and somebody shared it on twitter. No mainstream media involved, and he's already got a voice workout them and a demand for that voice.

Anonymous Luke June 20, 2017 8:54 AM  

I have thought for years that a truly antiliberal (now, call it hard Alt-Right) TV network would kick butt in the ratings. I'm talking one that gave Michael Savage and Ann Coulter an hour each multiple times a week, gave sympathetic interviews with Jared Taylor, John Derbyshire, Mark Steyn, Stephen Baskerville, heck, Camille Paglia, Erin Pizzey, Janet Bloomfield, Karen Straughn, Cols. Kratman & Lind, Robert Spencer, Vox (of course), Leonard Peikoff (if he's still alive), anyone associated with LaGriffeDulion, Neil Howe, Peter Brimelow, Aaron Clarey, Thomas Chittum, etc. Lots of these people would present well and entertainingly. Plus, imagine all the SJW heads exploding. Ground rule: anyone using the term "Illuminati" or a synonym even ONCE gets permanently and instantly booted off the air. (That's why guys like Henry Makow, Alex Jones, etc. would be best 100% avoided.)

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 20, 2017 8:57 AM  

Watched it this morning and it was painful. If for some reason you were foolish enough to do the interview and you find yourself unable to get a point across just stop. Stop talking. Make a statement along the lines of "See he is afraid to let me talk or make a point, I will not longer participate. Go ahead and hurl your 2 minutes of hate at me that is what you wanted and the British people can see it." Even if he talks over you, make the statement then stop talking and just sit there. It will infuriate them more than anything else you could possibly do in that situation. If the segment is live like this one was they will have to fill time somehow so they either will cut to commercial and make up some chit-chat afterwards or try to goad you to talk which will make them look more ridiculous. Of course, as Vox advises, it's better not to put yourself in the situation to begin with.

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 20, 2017 9:02 AM  

The far left understands this.

Fake news must be no platformed. We are rising...people want to hear what we have to say. So only say it to our own media and not to Fake News.

Blogger Antony June 20, 2017 9:03 AM  

I think Tommy does well in interviews, many ordinary working class people are savvy enough to see through the media's academic bullshit, and agree with his points.

Blogger Phillip George June 20, 2017 9:03 AM  

Vox,
you are right. The specific quote is:
Do not answer a fool according to their folly.

The best you can do is foot fault them; answer question with question until they turn blue in the face or wet their nappies. But them storming off their own set is just another theatrical device you cannot emulate.

In military parlance it might be, pick your own fields to engage a declared enemy.

When One encounters Orwell's pigs, don't reach for the lip stick. There are no pretty pigs.

They screwed their nation, making it not their nation, they disowned their heritage, shat on their ancestors graves, squandered a fortune for a dung hill. Believed a lie.

Jesus offered the defensible high ground. The Corporate Identity that works....

But no, like children with matches and petrol.

The land of Horatio Nelson and Oliver Cromwell has come to this


Blogger James Dixon June 20, 2017 9:07 AM  

Not that I have to worry, but my response to any request by the media for an interview would be simple: "How much are you willing to pay me?" I doubt the discussion would go beyond that point.

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2017 9:07 AM  

14. Luke

"That's why guys like Henry Makow, Alex Jones, etc. would be best 100% avoided."

OMG, poor PJW, Mike, and Roger are doomed! Not really.

Blogger VD June 20, 2017 9:07 AM  

I think Tommy does well in interviews, many ordinary working class people are savvy enough to see through the media's academic bullshit, and agree with his points.

That is true. It's also irrelevant. By going on their shows, you are helping THEM. They are not helping you. They hate you. They only pretend to tolerate you because doing so helps them.

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2017 9:13 AM  

Yes, the main point is to dry up the MSM's side as much as possible. Give them no ammunition.

Blogger Twisted Root June 20, 2017 9:15 AM  

It is difficult to argue that Tommy Robinson did not at least hold his own, he even managed to bring up Morgan's esoteric share dealings in a media company.

Twentieth century media though, remains a neutral to negative proposition for the alt right. The sole outcome is the gift of temporary relevancy for the likes of Morgan and old media publications. It is strategically retarded. More discipline is needed and not just from prominent figures but followers as well, many of whom will have devoured the click bait articles from the old media publications which appeared minutes after the interview.

Blogger Sussex Yeoman June 20, 2017 9:20 AM  

Rock on Tommy!
I am an englishman and while I see your point I think he has been tempered by fire in a way few of us have. Watch his talk at the Oxford Union on YouTube. He is now difficult to imprison due to profile and better lawyers. He also has lots of covert support in the Police and Armed forces.
Only old people and underclass watch Morgan.

Blogger Sussex Yeoman June 20, 2017 9:21 AM  

Rock on Tommy!
I am an englishman and while I see your point I think he has been tempered by fire in a way few of us have. Watch his talk at the Oxford Union on YouTube. He is now difficult to imprison due to profile and better lawyers. He also has lots of covert support in the Police and Armed forces.
Only old people and underclass watch Morgan.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 20, 2017 9:22 AM  

Tommy held his own.

So did Cernovich, but that's the point: it doesn't matter. Even if you're well-prepared and hold your own, you don't gain anything. Cernovich held his own on 60 Minutes, but he didn't gain anything from their octogenarian audience. Megyn Kelly's dozens of viewers have nothing to offer Alex Jones.

If the MSM begs you for an interview, it's for one of two reasons. 1) You've already shown yourself to be an easily manipulated media whore who can be used against your own side. 2) You already have a large platform that threatens their dominance and they're hoping to take you down a peg.

If #1, get over yourself and stop being a dumbass. If #2, they need you more than you need them. If you really want to be interviewed, have a friend interview you and run it on your own platform. Jones could hire a hot blonde model to call herself "Megan Kellie" and ask him some questions he prepared on his own show. It'd be funny, and more people would see it.

It's like playing poker with a mob boss you know cheats. Even if, by some miracle, you overcome the cheating by him and his friends at the table and win all the money, he's only going to have you shot and buried in the desert and take it all anyway. If you really kill them in your interview, they're just going to bury it. There's literally no way you can win by playing their game.

Blogger tuberman June 20, 2017 9:25 AM  

Starve the MSM, they are failing anyway (propped up by globalist billionaires), the less they are given to keep people from falling away from their narrative the better. This now seems obvious to me thanks to VD demonstrating it multiple times

It does not matter much what a Right Wing person gets from these interview, the dying MSM gets more.

Anonymous Rocklea June 20, 2017 9:32 AM  

"Jones could hire a hot blonde model to call herself "Megan Kellie" and ask him some questions he prepared on his own show. It'd be funny, and more people would see it."

This is a great point, SNL style. Crowder did something similar with TYT and Cenk Uygur. Alex could play Piers Morgan, he can do a posh Brit accent, and interview Tommy, complete with stupid Morganesque questions. Satire them into irrelevance.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 20, 2017 9:39 AM  

"14. Anonymous Luke June 20, 2017 8:54 AM
...
Ground rule: anyone using the term "Illuminati" or a synonym even ONCE gets permanently and instantly booted off the air. (That's why guys like Henry Makow, Alex Jones, etc. would be best 100% avoided.)
"



So you're a globalist and likely a satanist as well. Good to know.

Anonymous Slen June 20, 2017 9:43 AM  

#28

Yep.... "Above all else, the Devil cannot stand to be mocked." -C. S. Lewis

Anonymous Baseball Savant June 20, 2017 9:43 AM  

That is true. It's also irrelevant. By going on their shows, you are helping THEM. They are not helping you. They hate you. They only pretend to tolerate you because doing so helps them.

This right here. I would think that is a basic tenet of anyone trying to play the media's game. Why give them anything? As VD points out, they don't help you move the meter. You help them. I do wonder who much ego does play into it. Alt-right guys should be smarter.

Anonymous TheHiss June 20, 2017 9:48 AM  

Couple of suggestions for anyone who wants to try to mock the interviewer:

- Burst into laughter at the first interruption and say "You really do like the sound of your own voice, don't you? At every subsequent interruption burst into laughter again.

- Produce a stopwatch and say "I'm going to time how long it takes before you interrupt me." Announce the result very loudly and emphatically after each interruption.

- Use the Putin v. Kelly technique of forcing long pauses caused by translation. The interviewer can't interrupt you because they have no idea what you are saying.

Blogger Lucas June 20, 2017 9:48 AM  

Make a banner here which says "Dont talk to the media". And then watch as the Spencerites ignore it daily.

Blogger VD June 20, 2017 9:51 AM  

Couple of suggestions for anyone who wants to try to mock the interviewer:

Great. Another self-styled media expert.

Blogger SirGroggy June 20, 2017 9:51 AM  

Also, don't forget, that Donald J Trump, a non-politician, got himself elected president while telling the media to go fuck themselves and branding them fake news.

This should teach us that it can be more powerful to make the media into our punching bag rather than to be the punching bag for them.

Anonymous TS June 20, 2017 9:51 AM  

"I don't know if people's egos are simply too tempted by the thought of appearing on camera or if they truly believe they are smarter than almost every single person who has been summoned to play punching bag before them."

The former, works like a charm.

Blogger SirGroggy June 20, 2017 9:57 AM  

By the way, speaking of Piers Morgan and Alex Jones, the interview between those two was hilarious.

Alex Jones went on a rampage, wouldn't answer Piers' questions, shouted him down, called him a red-coat, and finally declared that 1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN!

Blogger F.D. Stephens June 20, 2017 9:58 AM  

VD wrote:I think Tommy does well in interviews, many ordinary working class people are savvy enough to see through the media's academic bullshit, and agree with his points.

That is true. It's also irrelevant. By going on their shows, you are helping THEM. They are not helping you. They hate you. They only pretend to tolerate you because doing so helps them.


This is the crucial point. The battle will not be won by taking on the MSM. It will won by going around them. Morgan maintained his relevancy for a little bit longer by having Tommy on. We need to starve them. Watch them writhe as they run out of oxygen.

Anonymous Rocklea June 20, 2017 10:07 AM  

Who will Youtubers mock if the MSM dies? Cat videos are cute I guess. Maybe that's why they killed Patton.

Anonymous Jeff June 20, 2017 10:21 AM  

@37 SirGroggy - I just watched that Piers/ Alex Jones interview again. Wow, it gets better with age!

But it still doesn't negate VD's point. It's not worth going on CNN or any other MSM.

Anonymous BBGKB June 20, 2017 10:22 AM  

Tommy Robinson should have used strips of bacon as bookmarks to quote the worse parts of the koran.

I don't know if people's egos are simply too tempted by the thought of appearing on camera

The leader of the group pushing for trannies in bathrooms in NC was a convicted underage sex offender who was the public face of tranny bathrooms.

Anonymous Regor June 20, 2017 10:25 AM  

When I was younger and still studying English as a second language, I used to watch the BBC World channel. One day I watched an interview of Nick Griffin by Tim Sebastian and thought at the time how thoroughly debunked Nick's nasty ideology had been by that virtuous interviewer. However the "seed" of Nick's ideas had been planted in my mind and I started to pay more attention to the news coming out of Britain and the rest of the Western world concerning the multicultural experiment and its consequences. Within a couple of years after watching that interview I came to the realization that Nick was right, and trying to get an important point across, whereas Tim was a propagandist prick who kept interrupting him with tendentious, emotional questions.

Perhaps taking that sort of risk is no longer necessary in this age of Youtube (as long as it remains a relatively open media space) however I believe that, as long as the dissident guest of an intended MSM smear campaign is capable of maintaining their cool and remind the viewer of the bias being displayed in addition to getting some of his points across, they can have a positive impact on a significant number of genuine open minded people.

Anonymous Magus June 20, 2017 10:28 AM  

14. Bwhahaha. Piss off. Who needs the TV? Do you know how much reach there is online versus with the TV?

People like it coz they can go where they want and self-censor. Don't want to be upset by hearing the word "illuminati"? Go switch off Alex's YouTube channel and tune in to Stefan instead. Don't like him? Browse Milo's FB page instead.

The MSM's message and platform aren't just irrelevant, their entire medium is. Why the fuck would you hamstring yourself to a traditional TV model when you have the tools of liberation right here in your hands?

Vox talks about ego in his post. I think that's part of it. I think it's mainly legitimacy though. There's this feeling that your voice isn't breaking into the mainstream if it isn't on the morning/evening news, or in the papers somewhere. Just like the feeling you're not a "real writer" if you don't publish a printed book, and particularly if it isn't with a "real" publisher.

I think this attitude isn't gonna quite shift until kids like me nephews come of age: kids who grow up entirely on their iPads, who literally can't even understand why people care what their Xbox monitor plays when the wifi is down.

Blogger Jack Ward June 20, 2017 10:31 AM  

@3 Roughcoat.
I like his viewpoint. I wonder if a short manual on dealing with the media and/or ruining their interview day if you must deal with them might be in order. I like the idea, stated here, of requiring your own camera crew to tape/record any interview video/audio for playback on your on blog. I know they would probably never agree but it might be fun. Especially if you did your own version of 'hit'editing. Good for the goose; good for the gander, you know.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 20, 2017 10:37 AM  

Tommy already has his own platform as well now. As squish alt-lite Rebel is, their moves at the Trump assassination play have garnered them some attention even in the MSM. If they keep pushing those boundaries they are going to become many times more powerful than traditional media.

Before Beck went full cuck he had the traditional media seriously worried about his independent network. He sank it by hiring SJWs and Cucks like himself, but he showed it could be done. As long as Ezra Levant doesn't do the same I think he is going to fill that void. So far he has some good hires in Gavin and Tommy but he does have a couple employees are taking shots right as well.

Anonymous fop June 20, 2017 10:39 AM  

Huge win for Alex Jones. Marvelous bit of trolling, imho.

Blogger praetorian June 20, 2017 10:43 AM  

And then watch as the Spencerites ignore it daily.

Spencer can talk to the media because he doesn't GAF and he is good at it. Hail-gate didn't hurt him at all, which I did not expect to be the case.

I don't agree with Spencer on a lot of stuff (I prefer Greg Johnson and our host) but it's objectively the case that he is doing a good job handling the media.

Anonymous fop June 20, 2017 10:44 AM  

@45
Can you imagine if Beck hadn't gone cucktard? He'd be the biggest thing in media now and a seriously rich SOB to boot.

I still listen to him, but i roll the window up out of embarrasment when that cucky "we are one' theme song comes on.

Blogger SouthRon June 20, 2017 10:46 AM  

It's like playing poker with a mob boss you know cheats.

Or playing with their son. Even if you win you lose.

Seen it happen. Everybody told my friend don't play with the guy. He had no idea who he was dealing with and took him for $500. When he found out, he returned his winnings, never played another major game, and gave up on going pro. This was before Texas Hold'em really grew the sport.

Blogger Quilp June 20, 2017 10:50 AM  

I recently read where Newt Gingrich claimed his campaign in 2012 was a lot Like Trump's in 2016, Only Trump did it a lot better. There is some truth in that, at least in dealing with the media, especially at debates. In the end the guy who was superior in dealing with the media won out, albeit 4 years later. I don't have any emotional attachment to Tommy Robison, Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich etc. If these people want to test the toughness of their neck vs the sharpness of the media blade, I consider it the winnowing of the chaff from the wheat. It reminds me of people constantly pointing to media hypocrisy "But...muh independent free press". It's a failure to deal with reality as it is now, instead clinging to a mythic past. Who exactly are you trying to reach with a Sunday night CBS or NBC interview, the meals on wheels set?

Jones having his own established media platform already in place makes his decision odd at first glance I agree. What I got out of the little I watched was he was trying to repeat Trump's performance in the debates...giving up nothing, while forcing the media personality to badger him. But like Newt, he's no Trump.

Anonymous MidwestExpress June 20, 2017 10:55 AM  

Robinson & others make the bad assumption that perhaps after all these terrorist attacks, that the LibMedia is now Woke, or inching towards becoming Woke.
That is wishful thinking. They will keep doubling down on social justice & Pollyanna pro-3rd world narratives until western civ is simply rubble.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 20, 2017 10:57 AM  

fop wrote:@45

Can you imagine if Beck hadn't gone cucktard? He'd be the biggest thing in media now and a seriously rich SOB to boot.

I still listen to him, but i roll the window up out of embarrasment when that cucky "we are one' theme song comes on.


I only catch bits and pieces of him anymore. The man holds personal grudges which cause him to do stupid things and take stupid positions. He also can't see his own hypocrisy. He rails against GOPe for folding to leftists and then he proceeds to do the exact same thing. He, like the other Never Trumpers, is more concerned with virtue signalling than actually winning.

Blogger DJ | AMDG June 20, 2017 11:13 AM  

Hmm...then you'd just look like you were "on the spectrum." I'm not sure it would come off the way you think.

Blogger DJ | AMDG June 20, 2017 11:15 AM  

I don't think this is OT since I consider Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Twitter part of big media. What are your thoughts on the newly announced anti-extremism measures the tech giants are about to take? At least on YouTube and Blogger I see the alt-right taking huge hits.

Anonymous andon June 20, 2017 11:20 AM  

Who is more relevant and has a bigger platform, Richard Spencer, who leaps to talk to the media, or Stefan Molyneux, who will not even return their emails?

Spencer hasnt put out thousands of good podcasts

Anonymous Don't. Be. A. Pussy. June 20, 2017 11:21 AM  

Cernovich shouldn't talk to the media because he sounds like a lisping fag. VD shouldn't talk to the media because he comes off like a sperg. Tommy Robinson shouldn't talk to the media because it's way too easy to make him look like a soccer hooligan.

Milo and Gavin McInnes should talk to the media because they're fast on their feet and cool.

Summary: if you're good for the media, you'll be asked to do media. The flip side is you should not take advice from people who the media find it easy to make fun of.

Anonymous Jeff June 20, 2017 11:24 AM  

@45 - Ezra Levant doesn't do the same I think he is going to fill that void. So far he has some good hires in Gavin and Tommy but he does have a couple employees are taking shots right as well.

He's also got some Alt-righters like Faith Goldy (although she might not call herself that). Interesting she survived while Lauren Southern, who is more lite, got the boot.

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Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 20, 2017 11:30 AM  

Jeff wrote:@45 - Ezra Levant doesn't do the same I think he is going to fill that void. So far he has some good hires in Gavin and Tommy but he does have a couple employees are taking shots right as well.

He's also got some Alt-righters like Faith Goldy (although she might not call herself that). Interesting she survived while Lauren Southern, who is more lite, got the boot.


I am trying to figure out if Lauren got the boot or if she decided she could make more money on her own. The timing around when she got in trouble over harassing migrant ships is suspicious so she may have been fired for that. I could see her deciding she could do better on her own as well though.

Anonymous Jeff June 20, 2017 11:38 AM  

@59 - bhb

Yes, we may never know exactly why Lauren left. And now Jack Pesobiac is gone after just a few weeks! Apparently, that was due to plagiarism. Jack gave his side of the story yesterday, which sounded pretty reasonable to me.

Anonymous andon June 20, 2017 11:43 AM  

OT: anyone see this?

https://hipsterracist.wordpress.com/2017/06/08/cia-agents-to-troll-alternative-media-sites-in-huge-propaganda-program/

leads back to RT as the original source.

why would they be wasting taxpayer money on this?

Anonymous BluePony June 20, 2017 11:54 AM  

"Couple of suggestions for anyone who wants to try to mock the interviewer:"

Which they just edit out.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 20, 2017 11:55 AM  

St. Breivik's method of dealing with nascent traitors is the only proper method of dealing with the fake news at the end of the day. One doesn't answer them with words, but with hellfire. As Vlad demonstrated, unidirectional elevator rides are effective as well. The only question is how long is it going to take folks to arrive at the already obvious. They have already earned what is coming many times over - every single one. No mercy, no quarter.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 20, 2017 12:08 PM  

andon wrote:OT: anyone see this?



leads back to RT as the original source.

why would they be wasting taxpayer money on this?


Because the left uses the State to attack their political enemies. I would be surprised if they weren't doing this.

Anonymous Roginald June 20, 2017 12:19 PM  

Mainstream media figures would never allow themselves to be interviewed on altright podcasts or youtube shows, so altright figures should never allow themselves to be interviewed on mainstream media shows.

Blogger rumpole5 June 20, 2017 12:29 PM  

I watched the "interview" on youtube. It was largely a nonstop, 3rd grade level, name calling, ad hominem tirade by Morgan. Tommy inserted great quotes by Gladstone and Churchill and was cool and fact based. Clearly, Tommy won with unbiased listeners to the right of the cognitive bell curve. Moreover, Morgan's snobby abuse earned Tommy points with the left end as well. This was especially so when Tommy pointed out that Morgan's set did not have to live in the conditions their policies have created. Tommy's folks do. These were two great arguments.

Anonymous badhairday June 20, 2017 12:30 PM  

RE: Lauren Southern.

If I remember correctly she made a comment about journalistic integrity when she left the Rebel Media. I presumed she left so that she could express her own views freely.

She'd probably be the best person to put up against Piers Morgan. He might well win the debate but watching an attractive woman valiantly defend herself against that particular slime bag might win more hearts than minds.

Blogger mushroom June 20, 2017 12:44 PM  

I have a feeling this is a great scene for the history books, celebrated no matter who wins. If the alt-right wins, it will be played in videos. If the cucks, the left, and the jihadis win, it will be scratched on a rock.

Anonymous SigOther June 20, 2017 12:44 PM  

Piers Morgan::Tommy Robinson =
Megyno Kelly::God Emporer?
There's something to be said for the leader drawing fire from the MSM that bolsters their follower's ardor... The leader sticks his neck out for us, shows us exactly how badly the globalists hate us, and we take the attack on one as an attack on all of us. Now every Brit that's uneasy about the explosive (heh) dirt world invasion feels like Piers Morgan attacked them too, building empathetic bonds with Tommy Robinson. The leader just can't completely cock it up, though.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2017 12:49 PM  

Every time Piers Morgan comes up, I am reminded of this quote from Jeremy Clarkson. about Piers Morgan;
"...so I punched him in the face. And it felt so good, I did it again. Then, sadly, I broke a finger and had to stop punching him."

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 20, 2017 12:52 PM  

Interesting, but just a show, of course. Tommy Robinson is fully kosher-approved "opposition."

Note that his focus is always on Islam as an "idea," not non-White immigration. That's the "opposition" that they want. His chosen symbol of the threat is a Koran, not an Imam, let alone any representation of the millions of non-White Muslims invading the West. The problem is not an idea. It's not a mind virus. It's not proselytism. It's a physical invasion. Sure, many of those involved in the invasion are adherents of an alien, hostile religion, but the religion itself would not be a major problem for the West without the invasion.

Tommy Robinson exposed-- in his own words:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E9eQfwQb6So

In addition to professing (at length) his love for Israel, he enthusiastically countersignals "racists."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/former-edl-leader-tommy-robinson-pictured-holding-gun-on-israeli-tank-near-syrian-border/ar-AAkalWR?li=BBoPRmx

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/tommy-robinson-visited-israel-a-response-to-the-jewish-chronicles-attack/

Note also Robinson's connections to extreme neocon (((Pamela Geller))).

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr June 20, 2017 1:00 PM  

The problems I see are that the Propaganda Press gets to edit...and he who controls the editing can make the most brilliant genius look like the village idiot.

@14 Luke is right, though...a true Right News would make a fortune. Fox was never conservative, they had conservatives on...but are drifting leftward.

Anonymous Oneofthecrowd June 20, 2017 1:05 PM  

England 2015. "Hey, are you islamophobic?"
"No. No. Not me. "

England 2020. "Hey, are you islamophobic?"
"Well duh. I was islamaphobic before it was cool. "


And if you don't think that will happen. Read this.
https://twitter.com/darktriadman/status/877164731470979073

Blogger Dean Esmay June 20, 2017 1:11 PM  

Can confirm from multiple contacts: The press is controlled and no matter how friendly or reasonable they seem do not ever trust them.

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 1:16 PM  

DJ | AMDG wrote:I don't think this is OT since I consider Microsoft, Google, Facebook, and Twitter part of big media. What are your thoughts on the newly announced anti-extremism measures the tech giants are about to take? At least on YouTube and Blogger I see the alt-right taking huge hits.

They're already starting to make trouble for the right on Youtube, and I assume it will get much worse. I don't use blogger myself other than as a consumer so I'm not sure about how they might be hassling people.

Blogger is nothing special, all people need to do is pull their content and host it somewhere else. It'd be best to actually have copies of the database saved locally to do that, of course. The internet is drowning in content management system options and hosting is cheap. IMO people should move as soon as possible because if Blogger does start nuking sites, it will be harder for casuals to find the new sites than if people just move now and put in a redirect or a "hey, I moved, bookmark the new site" post up.

Youtube is a problem because as far as I know, it operates at a loss. It's a lot easier for the left to shovel piles of cash into their social engineering projects than it is for the right, because most rich people are leftist globalist cocksuckers. The money problem is much more significant than the tech problem, or so it seems to me. I doubt the solution is to just copy youtube and hope to monetize it better than Google has so far; the solution is probably a different model altogether but besides some half-formed ideas for how it might work I really don't know what that looks like.

Anonymous Dan June 20, 2017 1:20 PM  

#71 -- You have to choose your enemies and you need allies. Pamela Geller is much more friend than foe in the existential struggle to keep civilization. She shoots a lot and in the right direction, and I for one and grateful to have her on the field.

If there is an approach that is more effective please tell share.

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 1:21 PM  

@72,

Traditional one way media is dead. trying to make a killing by emulating a dying model is not a good idea. The mainstream (left and right uniparty) will continue to try and push the legacy platforms from netwrok news to "big media" platforms that are now dinosours because, that is what they know and have always been successful with.
The younger generation has little experience with the legacy outlets and wont be bothered to even consider them. At this point the legacy platforms are being used for idealogical consolidation as the civil conflict heats up to critical mass. doing anything but starving them is a waste of time and effort.

Blogger Timmy3 June 20, 2017 1:25 PM  

Under what conditions would an interview actually work? Perhaps when you're smart enough to actually dominate the hosts. I saw Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly completely destroy the no nothing hags on The View. You can still see those segments on YouTube. The bully's can be bullied when someone has greater guns. Even seeing Gloria Allred demand an on air apology for a joke from Joy Behard was a joy.

Anonymous BBGKB June 20, 2017 1:34 PM  

OT: Women and minorities hit hardest.

Woman inventor of the AIRBAG CLAYMORE

I bet Better Call Saul would have a case if the car's manual didn't prohibit that.

https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/9047643

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 1:44 PM  

@75

Google is well underway on "managing" undesirable content on youtube

Google, YouTube Unveil New Measures To Combat Extremist Content

The demonitization was one big first step. I'd guess that withiin 2 years the alt-right or any other "objectionable" material will have been mostly purged from youtube. But fear not, you local radical islamic beheading and propoganda videos will still be availabe via youtube.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 20, 2017 1:46 PM  

"The battle will not be won by taking on the MSM. It will won by going around them. "

Yep, the MSM is the Maginot Line.

It's manned by sjw and cucks, so not invincible, but why bother, just use speed to maneuver around it.

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 1:49 PM  

@81 Patrick

Just make sure to plow in the trenchs as you bypass them just like in iraq! It keeps them from shooitng you in the back and doesnt involve messy disposal.

Anonymous User June 20, 2017 1:49 PM  

All lf the replies about media strategies are amusing. If we accept Vox's premise then it doesn't matter even if you look brilliant and the media looks stupid.

However what does matter is hastening the MSM's irrelevance. The Kelly/Jones interview had terrible ratings and that's a real injury to her show. Will it be a lasting one?

Blogger VD June 20, 2017 1:53 PM  

All lf the replies about media strategies are amusing.

Especially in light of the way that they insist on stubbornly ignoring the sound advice to not talk to the media.

Sure, it didn't work for Tommy and Alex - and it didn't, or they would not have been complaining afterwards - but it's totally going to work for them. You'll see.

Anonymous User June 20, 2017 1:56 PM  

What's your take on Trump's talking to the media? I'm not a media expert, but I figure there must be a God-Emperor exception.

Anonymous RCFlyer June 20, 2017 1:59 PM  

User wrote:What's your take on Trump's talking to the media? I'm not a media expert, but I figure there must be a God-Emperor exception.

You may not have noticed the GE has changed his strategy lately - Spicer and Co. have been starving the beast by denying them content. Jay "Fake News" Acosta of CNN has been bitching up a storm.

Anonymous A.B. Prosper June 20, 2017 2:01 PM  

User wrote:What's your take on Trump's talking to the media? I'm not a media expert, but I figure there must be a God-Emperor exception.

I'm not our host but Trump was media and was in the legacy media business himself. Still see how they treat him and you'll know, never talk to the press about anything ever not even if you are Trump or Milo or Mike Cernovich .

Treat the media as if it was Hostis Humani Generis and you won't be far off.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft June 20, 2017 2:14 PM  

@85. From the perspective of Vox's point about starving them, even the GE talking to the MSM is not a good idea. Then again, he's kind of been starving a lot of them since day one, so maybe he's more on top of that than we are...

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 2:15 PM  

Grayman wrote:@75

Google is well underway on "managing" undesirable content on youtube

Google, YouTube Unveil New Measures To Combat Extremist Content

The demonitization was one big first step. I'd guess that withiin 2 years the alt-right or any other "objectionable" material will have been mostly purged from youtube. But fear not, you local radical islamic beheading and propoganda videos will still be availabe via youtube.


Right, so is anyone doing anything about it? I really don't know; I'm not as connected as I used to be, so maybe I missed talk of such an effort.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft June 20, 2017 2:19 PM  

C.S. Lewis had the right idea 50 years ago or so. Treat the lying press like the intellectual prostitutes they are. Don't buy their refuse because you "just have to keep up with current events". No, excommunicate them and starve them. The same applies for talking to them. Just don't even do it. Let everyone you can know that the MSM are filthy lying swine and need to be starved to death by anyone and everyone.

Don't ,help them by providing an example that they are still legitimate. They aren't, and anything at all that you give them helps them maintain their facade of legitimacy while simultaneously assisting them in attacking your own legitimacy.

Anonymous Grayman June 20, 2017 2:23 PM  

@89 roughcoat

I believe GabTV is the most likely condidate at the moment and that DailyMotion and Vimeo are youtube alternatives, although I do not know how converged they may be.

My understanding is that Alt video hosting is a hard nut to crack as it is capital intensive.

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 2:30 PM  

Ah yes, I forgot about GabTV. Thanks.

Anonymous andon June 20, 2017 2:35 PM  

64. Anonymous basementhomebrewer June 20, 2017 12:08 PM

Because the left uses the State to attack their political enemies. I would be surprised if they weren't doing this.


but its so blatant - misappropriation of taxpayer funds?
its happening over and over again and 20 years ago it would have been a scandal


Blogger Thomas Howard June 20, 2017 2:38 PM  

Normally, I would be in complete agreement with the thesis of this post, but the successes of Cernovich on 60 minutes, Alex Jones with Megyn Kelly, and (I predict) the success of Tommy Robinson against Piers Morgan have caused me to reconsider. In all three examples, the MSM reps have been greatly diminished publicly for their perfidy. I seem to have heard recently that Scott Pelley has given up the CBS anchor job. The passage of time since the 60 minutes interview may somewhat decouple the case for cause and effect, but I believe the case can still be made. Megyn Kelly's situation since her ill-conceived hit piece on Jones is currently well publicized. Piers Morgan has been on the rocks since he lost his CNN gig and his lunatic ranting against TR reeks of last ditch desperation. All of the good guys are smelling like roses. As for Tommy Robinson, the subject of this post, I predict that if Britain survives the invasion there will be statues erected in his honor. Hell, there might be a Robinson Square in the middle of London or Luton, or both, one day.

All of this is to say that the transition away from MSM outlets has been underway for some time. It is a continuing process. But, if the MSM is allowed to maintain an echo chamber, they could soldier on for a very long time. Brave, articulate, and expositionally agile heroes of the right who make their own unedited copies and take the fight to the enemy will bury these propagandists in no time. I would add Roosh V and the Virginia Citizen's Defense League to the list. I applaud their efforts and progress in this culture war. Deus vult!

Anonymous Athor Pel June 20, 2017 2:42 PM  

A liar in a position of authority must use the legitimacy of his predecessor. He has no other recourse. He is incapable of building legitimacy or trust on his own.

The only method for perpetuating his inherited legitimacy is taking what his voters/viewers/subordinates give him because of cultural inertia. You give them legitimacy through acting as if they still had it.

Dealing with a known liar as if they are a legitimate authority makes you a liar as well.

Anonymous Jeff June 20, 2017 2:53 PM  

As brave as Tommy is, he's terrified of being called racyss.

Blogger elad sputnik June 20, 2017 2:53 PM  

Grayman wrote:My understanding is that Alt video hosting is a hard nut to crack as it is capital intensive.

I think that limiting the scope would be critical, to not try to be another youtube. Nobody needs 100 petabytes of cat videos and assorted degeneracy.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2017 2:57 PM  

elad sputnik wrote:I think that limiting the scope would be critical, to not try to be another youtube. Nobody needs 100 petabytes of cat videos and assorted degeneracy.
It's not the storage. Storage is cheap. It's the bandwidth.

Anonymous andon June 20, 2017 3:05 PM  

how much is bandwidth now - a few cents per GB?

Blogger Lovekraft June 20, 2017 3:09 PM  

The British and Scottish appear to me, to be mercenary and thug-based power. And a lot of kooky symbolism/Royal prestige.

But when you observe them long enough, and trust me, I've interacted with a lot, you get kind of pissed off being around them. Like you are dealing with someone who claims to be your better but is only that due to force.

I think there is way too much Arab influence in British media as well. A weird and awkward alliance filled with hiphop wannabe swagger and poof.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 20, 2017 3:09 PM  

mainstream exposure doesn't even move the needle

Of course it doesn't. People who rely solely on the MSM for info are some of the laziest, least inquisitive and most fickle it would be you misfortune to find, unthinking consumers at the Walmart of the mind that is modern American big media.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 3:10 PM  

Note that his focus is always on Islam as an "idea," not non-White immigration.

Yeah, but will you take it as a starting point? Because I sure will.

Blogger Lovekraft June 20, 2017 3:12 PM  

Tying into this story: Morgan is old, outdated.

Robinson is the New Standard.

At least as long as Tommy fights for universal Truths and resists the shekels. So far we should back him.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 20, 2017 3:26 PM  

Even bandwidth is reaching the point where it's less of an issue. I get 1TB of bandwidth per month with a $5 virtual server, and I haven't even shopped around. Using Vox's Periscopes as an example, they run about 100MB per 30 minutes. So you could make 10 of those per month (one every 3 days), and stream them to 1000 viewers, for $5/month. If you have more than 1000 viewers, you can surely afford more than that.

The other, maybe bigger issue, is know-how and ease of use. It's just so easy to film something with your device and dump it on those sites, letting them handle the transcoding to prepare versions for different browsers/devices, and making them searchable with good rankings on all the search engines. Letting them host it also means you don't have to worry about SJWs attacking you by downloading all your videos a million times. It just makes everything easier.

You can do all that technical stuff yourself, but you have to know what you're doing and it takes some work. The more that the big hosting sites like YouTube suppress dissent, the more demand there will be for alternatives, either new third-party sites or host-your-own packages, that try to solve those problems.

Blogger elad sputnik June 20, 2017 3:30 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:It's not the storage. Storage is cheap. It's the bandwidth.

So people don't watch cat videos? They don't just sit there. I should have been more clear and said that having the capacity to serve 50 million people watching fluffy chase his tail is unnecessary.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2017 3:42 PM  

elad sputnik wrote:having the capacity to serve 50 million people watching fluffy chase his tail is unnecessary.
Problem is, those are the people who actually click on ads to pay for the service.

Blogger VD June 20, 2017 3:43 PM  

I would be in complete agreement with the thesis of this post, but the successes of Cernovich on 60 minutes, Alex Jones with Megyn Kelly, and (I predict) the success of Tommy Robinson against Piers Morgan have caused me to reconsider. In all three examples, the MSM reps have been greatly diminished publicly for their perfidy.

That's insane. You're talking about their "success" when both Jones and Robinson are complaining about their treatment and Gavin McInnes is openly regretting his most recent media foray.

Do you not understand that the objective of the target is usually not "to diminish the reporter"? That's not a win. Everyone already knows the media are liars. One more piece of confirming evidence about one media member accomplishes nothing.

You are confusing not being personally destroyed like Milo with winning. It isn't. It is merely survival, which can be more easily accomplished by NOT TALKING TO THEM.

Blogger VD June 20, 2017 3:44 PM  

What's your take on Trump's talking to the media? I'm not a media expert, but I figure there must be a God-Emperor exception.

A politician has no choice. Neither does someone representing a public company or selling a product. However, notice that Trump cooperated less with the media than any candidate in recent memory, even blowing off a primary debate.

Anonymous andon June 20, 2017 3:59 PM  

Letting them host it also means you don't have to worry about SJWs attacking you by downloading all your videos a million times.

sounds like it could be a problem

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 4:04 PM  

Wow...

Shame on Piers.

All Tommy wants is to stop the raping of the women, deport them all. Tommy is just saying Islam is not agreeing with or is obviously dyscivic to untenable to everyone whom is not muslim.

DTTTM Ever.

Blogger Thomas Howard June 20, 2017 4:41 PM  

VD wrote:That's insane. You're talking about their "success" when both Jones and Robinson are complaining about their treatment

I submit that "complaining about their treatment" or in other words underlining the lies (particularly through the use of the fake news meme) of the MSM is part of combat tactics. This is particularly effective when you've got the evidence of your own recordings and the large platform of Infowars, like Jones does. Alex Jones will make hay from Megyn Kelly's prostrate, wounded reputation for a long time to come because he was willing to engage. Kelly's assassination attempt was observably ill conceived. In the ring, an attack offers openings for a counter. Feinting, baiting, slipping, and countering are the tools that will offer opportunities for real push back. After all, it's the punch you didn't see coming that knocks you out. Allowing the MSM to maintain their shell, turtled up in a full guard, offers them the possibility of hanging on indefinitely. I agree that this is tricky and shouldn't by tried by the Vox Days or the Thomas Howards, but I think there are some who have the skills and the personal audience to pull it off. Only time will tell if this is an insane strategy, but I predict that a year from now Alex Jones will have 1 million more subscribers and Megyn Kelly will be out of a job. Finally, I submit that the way has already been shown by the consensus master of this strategy and he has used it to win the Presidency and elevate an entire political movement. Jones, Cernovich, Robinson, et al aren't insane or fools--they're the vanguard supporting the general at the front of the troops. If not now, when?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 20, 2017 4:49 PM  

You are confusing not being personally destroyed like Milo with winning. It isn't. It is merely survival, which can be more easily accomplished by NOT TALKING TO THEM.

Confirmed. Confirmed. Confirmed.

Blogger Thomas Howard June 20, 2017 4:56 PM  

Do you not understand that the objective of the target is usually not "to diminish the reporter"? That's not a win. Everyone already knows the media are liars. One more piece of confirming evidence about one media member accomplishes nothing.

I certainly do not think that everyone believes the MSM is full of liars. I do think that there are some who are on the fence and can be pulled over to our side. As a long term strategy, chipping away at the margins can be effective.

You may be correct, perhaps taking out an individual member of the media accomplishes nothing. I'm old enough to remember when Dan Rather got taken down. Most of America trusted Rather as the heir to Brokaw and Kronkite. I do think that incident gave a much needed boost to the beleaguered GWB candidacy. Brian Williams was another fraud exposed by the alternative media. Add to that Katie Couric, Scott Pelley, Megyn Kelly, and Piers Morgan. At some point the sheer mass of silver-lined skulls has to begin to have a major effect.

Blogger roughcoat June 20, 2017 4:57 PM  

@ 104

Good stuff, that's an interesting approach and now you said that, it makes the problem seem much more tractable. I've already taken some steps down a parallel path working on alternatives to software like Wordpress, which is absurd overkill for how most people use it while still being fragile as hell.

And of course you're right about ease of use. Most "tech savvy" people are not comfortable doing things developers consider trivial, so loads of developers miss the mark by a mile in that department. It's not that hard to automate or obviate the fiddly parts of setting up and using software; it's just apparently a lot of developers don't see the need to do it at all.

Blogger Thomas Howard June 20, 2017 5:02 PM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:You are confusing not being personally destroyed like Milo with winning. It isn't. It is merely survival, which can be more easily accomplished by NOT TALKING TO THEM.

Confirmed. Confirmed. Confirmed.


I submit that Milo has not been destroyed personally in any way, shape or form, given that "personally destroyed" bears some element of finality. Furthermore, Milo's stumble wasn't due to engaging with the MSM, his faux pas occurred on Joe Rogan's podcast. His press conference may have been ill-conceived (Roosh did it better), but clearly the damage from that has not been lasting.

Anonymous andon June 20, 2017 5:06 PM  

@ #115 - i thought Milo lost most of his influence when they banned him from Twitter

Blogger Thomas Howard June 20, 2017 5:10 PM  

andon wrote:@ #115 - i thought Milo lost most of his influence when they banned him from Twitter

Milo's book is currently the #5 most sold on Amazon. Twitter will be gone soon.

Blogger VD June 20, 2017 6:40 PM  

I agree that this is tricky and shouldn't by tried by the Vox Days or the Thomas Howards, but I think there are some who have the skills and the personal audience to pull it off.

You're wrong. And you're stubbornly stupid.

His press conference may have been ill-conceived (Roosh did it better), but clearly the damage from that has not been lasting.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Milo will come back strong, but the experience was literally life-altering for him. And extremely painful.

Look, you're a total amateur. You know nothing about it. I've been a media professional. I understand how much firepower they can bring to bear. And I've been targeted by organizations since 2001 and yet remain viable. So, it's extremely annoying to listen to idiot know-nothings like you yammering about what you think. What you think is ignorant and irrelevant.

I don't think about this. I know. I lived it. So, if you want to sacrifice yourself on the media altar, be my guest. But stop encouraging others to do so.

Blogger VD June 20, 2017 6:41 PM  

i thought Milo lost most of his influence when they banned him from Twitter

It was more when he was fired by Breitbart.

Anonymous RadioInfidelShow June 20, 2017 7:11 PM  

The media is so full off SHIT, have ANYONE of them picked up. Quran let alone read it?
Piers, there is a reason you were tossed from US media (and that in itself is sad)
ISLAMAPHOBIA IS NOT A WORD MORON

Blogger Wormwood June 20, 2017 7:29 PM  

I have to keep disagreeing with VD on this issue. Trump successfully used a hostile media to carry his message, and I will say that Tommy Robinson did the same, no matter how often Piers Morgan accused him of being a racist/bigot. His message still got through.

Blogger Thomas Howard June 20, 2017 7:34 PM  

VD wrote:I agree that this is tricky and shouldn't by tried by the Vox Days or the Thomas Howards, but I think there are some who have the skills and the personal audience to pull it off.

You're wrong. And you're stubbornly stupid.


Your quarrel isn't with me, then. Take it up with Alex Jones, Mike Cernovich, and Donald Trump. From where I'm sitting, they've already proven to be exceptions. There will be others.

Every army has its McClellan and that's an important role. Your message is not an incorrect one. There are plenty who need to exercise an abundance of caution. I don't deny that.

VD wrote:His press conference may have been ill-conceived (Roosh did it better), but clearly the damage from that has not been lasting.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Milo will come back strong, but the experience was literally life-altering for him. And extremely painful.

Look, you're a total amateur. You know nothing about it. I've been a media professional. I understand how much firepower they can bring to bear. And I've been targeted by organizations since 2001 and yet remain viable. So, it's extremely annoying to listen to idiot know-nothings like you yammering about what you think. What you think is ignorant and irrelevant.

I don't think about this. I know. I lived it.


This is so disappointing and not a serious argument. You have already acknowledged the truth of my examples in tonight's livestream. I'll accept that as a tempering of all this ad hominem, appeal to authority, scalzified sperging. I almost regret this response, but most observers of this blog won't be surprised to see step 2: some attempt to paint with the sociosexual gamma brush. Deep down, I believe you are better than all this, but to borrow a phrase: it doesn't matter who you are deep down, it's what you do that defines you.

Be a better man when it comes to those who are on your side but simply attempt to provide some food for thought. I never intended any of my previous posts to be construed as an attack and I don't really want to be drawn in any further. There's a 405 lb barbell at the gym that isn't going to bench itself. Later.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 20, 2017 8:01 PM  

Talk about asking to be spammed...

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 8:15 PM  

118 Mr and Mrs Day, I would not leave Milo ever - I email him and he responded with kindness.

He is a good man, a good complex young person; I know he struggles, my heart with with him, he is a good young man and he needs our or my support. I understand what he's endured, Milo is young person to treat with kindness and compassion.

He is a good boy.

The problem I have with our right is that they leave behind good people whom are misunderstood or troubled or marred by a horror show media, it doesn't matter.

I show up for Milo b/c he is a good young man, he is a star, he is ok, I saw him in gamergate in Paris etc., that time period, he worked his ass off for BB and worked very hard at our USA colleges trying to stop the insanity.

Milo wont be left behind. We cannot leave our best behind, we cannot, I cant -

DTTTM ever! To hell with them.

They tried to roast me locally, they came to my home, tried to enter my building demanding answers, mgmt handled them I never ever made contact with them. Ever!

Blogger Happy LP9 June 20, 2017 8:20 PM  

Milo is learning from Roosh V,Cerno, Vox, both Milo and Roosh are great and still held a great regard never shame or abandonment.

It is not emotionalism. Our allies from Jack to Laura Loomer, Milo, Cerno, etc.,m Jack, Wright, Corria are attacked b/c we voted for TRUMP no matter what the outcome was.


I dont care; its a attack on Castalia House I wont have it! I'll gab it...

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Blogger Vikki Wilson June 20, 2017 9:09 PM  

Tommy Robinson has been going into the lion's den for years now, he knows exactly how it works. He has made being a nationalist martyr work as well for him as possible and he has far more supporters now that know very well how the enemies of the people openly deploy the power of the state and the media against him.
He has every right to complain loudly when these forces do what they do, knowing all along what they will do. Go Tommy!

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Anonymous Thomasblair June 20, 2017 10:50 PM  

Call it the exception that proves the rule but Tommy mopped the floor with Piers in this segment. DTTTM still stands.

Blogger tublecane June 21, 2017 2:10 AM  

@107-"One more piece of confirming evidence about one media member accomplishes nothing"

That's not what you say when, for instance, some channer trolls the MSM. Because making the MSM look ridiculous is a worthwhile endeavor. You'll say that's different from anyone but Milo submitting to interviews. On that we're agreed.

Providing them free "controversy" is another matter, separate from whether publicizing evidence of their perfidy and incompetence accomplishes anything. The MSM maintains legitimacy in lots of people's minds, and those minds can be changed. Mine was.

Or we could just wait for their audience to die.

Blogger tublecane June 21, 2017 2:23 AM  

@107-"Everyone already knows the media are liars"

Yes, at least most do, though they disagree as to the volume and kind of lies. They know it in the abstract. But that doesn't mean they won't be surprised by particular lies coming to light, or that they can't come out having less esteem for the MSM. They can always esteem it less, and I think as it is people hold it in too high a regard despite their cynicism.

You know politicians are corrupt, right? Let me ask, if Pizzagate were to break tomorrow, with mass arrests and everything, would that accomplish nothing vis a vis your appreciation of political corruption? Even if it's just to confirm what you suspect. Because thinking of them as a gang of kiddy-diddlers in the abstract and actually having it shown to you are different things.

If that's not true, then there must be worse out there than Pizzagate, as bad as it looks. There's got to be some unknown unknown that would lower your trust in politicians. There's room for them to sink even in your estimation.

Regular people have miles, continents, to go before they match the more cynical of us in our estimation of the MSM.

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Anonymous VFM #6306 June 21, 2017 10:02 PM  

Shut up Thomas Howard. You are an annoying ignorant. Please stop telling us exactly how much you don't know.

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