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Thursday, June 29, 2017

EXCERPT: Hitler in Hell

An excerpt from Martin van Creveld's new novel, Hitler in Hell. Please note that on the advice of one of our Amazon-bestselling authors, we have removed the book from the Castalia House bookstore for the time being and entered it into the Kindle Select program. It is now available via Kindle Unlimited; if you purchased the book from our bookstore but did not download it, please email us and we will make sure you receive you receive your book. We apologize if this causes any confusion.

Revolution and Collapse

Over the next few years, during which I began my political activity, I had plenty of opportunities to analyze the causes of the collapse. In fact, addressing them in numerous public meetings large and small, I did so until I was blue in the face. Some of my conclusions simply continued thoughts that had been with me during the war and even before it had started. The rest were directly related to our defeat.

The Second Reich, as it was widely known, had been born under an auspicious star amidst the thunder of victorious battle. For that we had Bismarck to thank and, coming right after him, Chief of Staff Helmut von Moltke and Minister of War Albrecht von Roon. Nothing symbolized it as well as the Siegessäule, or Victory Column, in Berlin. Originally sixty-seven meters tall, it was wrapped entirely by captured enemy cannons. In 1939, as part of my plan to renovate the city and to turn it into Europe’s capital, I had its height increased by another seven and a half meters. I also moved it from its original site at the Königsplatz (now misnamed the Platz der Republik) near the Reichstag to the Grosser Stern. But back to the Reich. Over the first forty-three years of its existence it enjoyed immense prosperity and economic growth. Simple people, who always and everywhere form the great majority, were impressed by that prosperity as well as the evident military strength of the Reich, which was put on display on appropriate occasions.

Having done so, they attributed the sudden collapse of the structure solely to the war, which had brought so much misery to them. But this is absurd. In fact, all the collapse did was to expose weaknesses that had long existed. Chief among them were general suffrage which Germany got before England, misleadingly known as the “mother of democracies,” did. On its heels came elections and democracy. All three were non-German elements of government. Initially, they were foisted on us by the professors of 1848, who wanted nothing better than to ape the “ideals” of the French Revolution. Once established, they quickly turned into a morass of useless chatter and corruption.

Next came the failure to properly deal with the liberated provinces, Alsace and Lorraine. As a result, they never truly became an integral part of the Reich. To repeat, Wilhelm II’s foreign policy was essentially misdirected. To add insult to injury it was often weak and vacillating as well.

Finally, there was the tolerance long shown for those vile Marxist traitors, the Social Democrats. Starting long before the war and redoubling their efforts while it lasted, they did whatever they could to foment discontent and to incite the people against the army and the government. Their ability to do so was due to the government’s inability or unwillingness to rein in the press. Not that the non-socialist press was necessarily better. Only parts of it supported the government in its conduct of the war, and much of it did what it could to undermine them.

Though the war was over, the British blockade still continued. Only in the middle of 1919 was it finally lifted, enabling us to resume our imports and exports. But this happened only to a very limited extent. Partly because of carelessness in August 1914, partly because of enemy action, and partly because no new merchantmen were built during the war, we had lost almost our entire merchant navy.
Much of what we still possessed had to be given away gratis as reparations. In any case the enemy had used the war to steal our overseas markets from us. This caused production to come to a halt and unemployment to soar. The demobilization of the armies, which at the end of the war still numbered several million men, added to the problem. That’s to say nothing of the hundreds of thousands maimed and crippled men who had to be taken care of in one way or another.

Determined to avenge themselves on us, our enemies took large parts of Prussia and Silesia, which had been German for centuries, if not longer, away from the Reich. This caused hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens, who understandably were unwilling to live under Polish (mis)rule, to leave their homes to migrate to the west, where nothing had been done to receive them. Nor did the process of drawing the borders unfold peacefully. Throughout 1919, in many places, volunteer units known variously as Freikorps, or the Black Reichswehr, fought heroically, if ultimately unsuccessfully, to retain the lands in question.

All over Germany, wherever one looked, people shivered and hungered. It goes without saying that I detest that self-appointed artist and filthy pornographer, Georg Grosz. Luckily for him, he left the country in a hurry in 1933, or else I would have had him thrown into a concentration camp! Still I must concede that many of his sketches, which show starving workers, fat, evil-looking capitalists with heaps of money, and made-up prostitutes presented a true, if one-sided and perverted, picture of reality at the time. Much later, I learned that the origins of this misery had been explored in depth by the English economist John Maynard Keynes in his booklet The Economic Consequences of the Peace (1919). He could hardly have done a better job.

Political conditions naturally reflected the economic situation. The new Social-Democratic government was unable to resist the Allied demands. So weak were the “statesmen” whom the so-called “Revolution” had brought to power that they signed the famous Kriegsschuld, war-guilt, article under which Germany assumed responsibility for the war. To be sure, history bristles with occasions when the defeated were not only despoiled but humiliated. However, the Kriegsschuld business was something new and unprecedented. Besides preparing the “legal” basis for extracting reparations, it hit straight at the nation’s soul, which, of course, was just what it had been meant to do.

Internally, the political situation was even worse. The Social Democrats, having successfully undermined public order, were unable to reimpose it. Everywhere workers, incited by their often Jewish leaders, spat on officers, tore the epaulets from their shoulders, and beat them up. So bad were conditions that many places were reduced to anarchy. That specifically included Bavaria and Munich, where I was stationed at the time and where the Jews set up a “Soviet Republic.” The stupidity of these people was truly amazing. During the few days the “Republic” lasted its foreign affairs commissar, Franz Lipp, whose record included several stays in mental hospitals, actually declared war on Switzerland. That was done, he explained, because the Swiss had refused to lend him sixty locomotives! At one point I myself, rifle in hand, had to chase away three scoundrels who had come to arrest me in my quarters.

In the end the Reichswehr, assisted by Freikorps units, re-took Munich and exacted a well-deserved vengeance. Eugene Leviné, the Jewish Communist who had led the uprising, was killed. Not so his uncouth right-hand man and fellow Jew, Erich Mühsam. He was arrested, tried, and sentenced to fifteen years in prison. But he did not have to stay there for long; in 1924 an amnesty was granted, and he was released. After the Reichstagbrand on 28 February 1933, I had him arrested and sent to a concentration camp where the boys, seeking their revenge, saw to it that he would expire. Good! As these two gentlemen illustrate so nicely, behind each and every one of these problems stood the Jews.

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69 Comments:

Blogger Jack Ward June 29, 2017 6:17 PM  

Purchased it earlier; this time from Castalia for the epub. Enough of besos, where possible, regardless verified purchase reviews. I want a book that really is mine.
The excerpt sharpens the appetite. Should be a good read. Since Creveld the history should be more than sound.

Blogger Raging Papist June 29, 2017 6:30 PM  

Is there a paperback copy coming soon? I can only find it on Ereaders at Castalia and Amazon.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 29, 2017 6:34 PM  

There are few books I've attempted to read but quit from sheer boredom. Mein Kampf is one of them.

Blogger praetorian June 29, 2017 6:34 PM  

lol

This book is going to be weapons-grade cognitive dissonance for so many people.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 6:37 PM  

Is there a paperback copy coming soon?

I know you want that cover on your shelf as soon as possible, but as the id Software used to say, it'll be released when it's done.

Anonymous CoalFiredBrisket June 29, 2017 6:49 PM  

I have several WN friends with a sense of humor. Is this a book they might enjoy?

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 6:50 PM  

Ignore Mark. He's banned and spammed, as everyone whose first reaction to a new release is to attempt to shit all over it will be.

Blogger VD June 29, 2017 6:50 PM  

Is this a book they might enjoy?

Most likely, yes.

Blogger Markku June 29, 2017 6:51 PM  

If we put parentheses on the author name, this would have been the literary triggering to end all triggerings.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab June 29, 2017 6:55 PM  

It is a great book. You won't regret reading it.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 29, 2017 6:56 PM  

@9 Imagine the alt-tard reaction if you'd gone with the title "Mein Kvetch."

Blogger Matthew June 29, 2017 6:57 PM  

Markku wrote:If we put parentheses on the author name, this would have been the literary triggering to end all triggerings.

Maybe we'll manage to somehow do that on the spine.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 29, 2017 6:57 PM  

I notice there's a news story now about how Munich is the first German city to have less native population than immigrants...

Such a subtle shiv.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents June 29, 2017 7:05 PM  

I notice there's a news story now about how Munich is the first German city to have less native population than immigrants...

You misspelled Frankfurt.

Anonymous VFM #6306 June 29, 2017 7:16 PM  

Now, which Hell? Aryan mythological, sheol, Christian or that of Judeo Christ?

Blogger Ingot9455 June 29, 2017 7:17 PM  

It's always important to remember that in person Hitler was considered to be witty, urbane, polite, distinguished, and extremely well-read. (The shouting and pounding the podium was just for speeches.) It's good to see that coming through in the text.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 29, 2017 7:20 PM  

@14 >.< What I get for not reading in depth.

What's munich's %?

Blogger Dave June 29, 2017 8:14 PM  

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Heh #8 Religious & Inpirational

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable June 29, 2017 8:30 PM  

Now, which Hell? Aryan mythological, sheol, Christian or that of Judeo Christ?

Judeo Christ sends you to Heck.

Blogger Amos Bellomy June 29, 2017 8:46 PM  

It was legitimately scary reading the amazon excerpt how much I agreed with Crevald's Hitler.

Blogger DeploraBard June 29, 2017 9:03 PM  

5343
That was funny

Blogger DeploraBard June 29, 2017 9:03 PM  

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Blogger Retrenched June 29, 2017 9:19 PM  

Gonna get it this weekend. Looks very promising.

Blogger rondolf June 29, 2017 10:03 PM  

I have gotten about 20 pages in, and Mr. Creveld, being a man dedicated to the truth, as much as humanly possible, has of course not turned this into some typical sjw type anti-Hitler screed. Even if he wanted to, which would be quite natural, I don't think his adherence to the truth would allow him to. In fact, I'm guessing that some of Mr. Creveld's antipathy towards modernity is coming out in the early 'autobiographical' portion. I hope the Hitler dindu nuffin wrong portion of the alt-right give this a read and maybe get a little perspective.

Blogger Lazarus June 29, 2017 10:27 PM  

Best. Hitler. Novel. Ever.

Erdogen should read it.

Blogger Sam June 29, 2017 10:48 PM  

@20
https://imgur.com/TlGoygW

Anonymous Goon on June 29, 2017 10:51 PM  

Jewish guy writes unflattering retcon fiction about Hitler continuing the 80 year tradition of making shit up. The end.

Blogger Thucydides June 29, 2017 11:33 PM  

Hitler might consider how some of his former victims have rebounded from Nazi occupation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_BjPy19bYs

Of course the Poles also threw off decades of Communist occupation as well. Future leaders of the Eastern European block.

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 30, 2017 12:48 AM  

The Germans were totally conquered, all the men shot or forced into labor, the women and children raped repeatedly. Germany is long ago lost except for a few enclaves.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 30, 2017 1:04 AM  

I just love /sarc reading this and other docs calculating how to bomb German cities just right so the average working-class German wife couldn't save her screaming burning child in his crib.

The one and only real "war crime" is losing the damn war.

Blogger Sam June 30, 2017 2:00 AM  

@34
You are thinking the Baltic states. The German attitude towards other regions of the USSR and Poland was less gentle.

You sure the Germans could have taken Dunkirk? Attacking a pocket filled with anti-tank guns seems to be a monumentally poor plan.

Blogger JK smaller June 30, 2017 2:26 AM  

Another Anti german screed.

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 30, 2017 2:31 AM  

@JK smaller, yep. For an extinct race who were starved, degenerated, then hellstirmed and raped into nothing because they said (((NO)))!

Blogger wreckage June 30, 2017 2:43 AM  

Swastika panties as far as the eye can see!

The mass triggering of Reichflakes is a thing o' beauty.

Clearly, I must buy this book.

Blogger VD June 30, 2017 3:26 AM  

For an extinct race who were starved, degenerated, then hellstirmed and raped into nothing because they said (((NO)))!

That's insane. You morons always seem to forget the fact that your dreamboat fantasy leader not only started WWII, but was dumb enough to start it on two fronts, then declare war on the USA as well without provocation.

And then he refused to surrender once defeat was certain. You cannot blame anyone else for that idiocy.

If I had written the book, I would have been a hell of a lot harsher on Hitler than the author was.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 30, 2017 3:45 AM  

The question of who started WWII is a bit murky, and it's so often conveniently overlooked that the Soviet Union invaded Poland at the same time that Germany did; yet Britain and France declared war on Germany but not the Soviet Union.

Anonymous The_P6 June 30, 2017 3:55 AM  

VD wrote:For an extinct race who were starved, degenerated, then hellstirmed and raped into nothing because they said (((NO)))!

That's insane. You morons always seem to forget the fact that your dreamboat fantasy leader not only started WWII, but was dumb enough to start it on two fronts, then declare war on the USA as well without provocation.

And then he refused to surrender once defeat was certain. You cannot blame anyone else for that idiocy.

If I had written the book, I would have been a hell of a lot harsher on Hitler than the author was.


Besides he did not use nations occupied by Soviet Russia. You know, they were not very fond of russification, concentration camps, Holodomor and free trips in boxwagons to Siberia. He could make allies and destroy USSR from within. But no... Let's use master race card and make our potential allies love our enemy... Shit, Hitler was a phenomenal moron.

Blogger VD June 30, 2017 3:56 AM  

It's not murky at all. Germany started the war with its violations of the Treaty of Versailles and the subsequent invasions of Austria and Czechoslovakia. The Allies were simply slow to respond, slower than the German generals expected.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 30, 2017 4:12 AM  

Treaty violations are not necessarily tantamount to war, and the violation of the Treaty of Versailles didn't start WW2 any more than the US withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accord started WW3. Anschluss cannot reasonably be called an invasion, as there were no hostilities and political support for union with Germany was overwhelming. And Chamberlain famously sanctioned Germany's occupation of the Sudetenland, declaring it would lead to "peace in our time."

Blogger VD June 30, 2017 4:38 AM  

Treaty violations are not necessarily tantamount to war, and the violation of the Treaty of Versailles didn't start WW2 any more than the US withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accord started WW3.

You're just flat-out wrong and opining in obvious ignorance. You cannot reasonably compare the Treaty of Versailles to the Paris Climate Accord because the former explicitly required military reoccupation by the Allies of German territory west of the Rhine if the conditions of the treaty were breached, even after 1934.


Article 429
If the conditions of the present Treaty are faithfully carried out by Germany, the occupation referred to in Article 428 will be successively restricted as follows:

(i) At the expiration of five years there will be evacuated: the bridgehead of Cologne and the territories north of a line running along the Ruhr, then along the railway Jülich, Duren, Euskirchen, Rheinbach, thence along the road Rheinbach to Sinzig, and reaching the Rhine at the confluence with the Ahr; the roads, railways and places mentioned above being excluded from the area evacuated.

(ii) At the expiration of ten years there will be evacuated: the bridgehead of Coblenz and the territories north of a line to be drawn from the intersection between the frontiers of Belgium, Germany and Holland, running about from 4 kilometres south of Aix-la-Chapelle, then to and following the crest of Forst Gemünd, then east of the railway of the Urft valley, then along Blankenheim, Valdorf, Dreis, Ulmen to and following the Moselle from Bremm to Nehren, then passing by Kappel and Simmern, then following the ridge of the heights between Simmern and the Rhine and reaching this river at Bacharach; all the places valleys, roads and railways mentioned above being excluded from the area evacuated.

(iii) At the expiration of fifteen years there will be evacuated: the bridgehead of Mainz, the bridgehead of Kehl and the remainder of the German territory under occupation.

If at that date the guarantees against unprovoked aggression by Germany are not considered sufficient by the Allied and Associated Governments, the evacuation of the occupying troops may be delayed to the extent regarded as necessary for the purpose of obtaining the required guarantees.

Article 430
In case either during the occupation or after the expiration of the fifteen years referred to above the Reparation Commission finds that Germany refuses to observe the whole or part of her obligations under the present Treaty with regard to reparation, the whole or part of the areas specified in Article 429 will be reoccupied immediately by the Allied and Associated forces.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 30, 2017 4:52 AM  

And by execution of the Munich Agreement, which goes beyond mere tacit acceptance, France and Britain signaled that they did not consider the German occupation of the Sudetenland to be "unprovoked aggression."

Anonymous Harambe June 30, 2017 4:59 AM  

5343 Kinds of Deplorable wrote:Now, which Hell? Aryan mythological, sheol, Christian or that of Judeo Christ?

Judeo Christ sends you to Heck.


Judeo-Christ doesn't judge you

Anonymous Harambe June 30, 2017 5:05 AM  

Right or wrong, seeing your own countrymen suffer hyper-inflation and humiliation makes a man want to dust off his rifle. I recall the USA doing something similar over tea tariffs. Granted, the USA wasn't mean to an (((influential group of people))), and they managed to win that war, so...

Anyway, don't be a Hitler.

Blogger VD June 30, 2017 5:09 AM  

Irrelevant. Germany had already broken the agreement repeatedly, beginning with building up its army beyond 100,000 men in 1935. The fact that the Allies kept letting Germany get away with it doesn't mean that Germans didn't do it, or that the Allies weren't justified in going to war with them over their violations.

The fact is that the Allies could, and should, have shut down Hitler much earlier than they did. Instead, they tried to appease, and appease, and thereby laid the groundwork for a much worse war than needed to happen.

Blogger Resident Moron™ June 30, 2017 5:10 AM  

Purchased yesterday. Will start later today.

Is this book legal in Germany?

Anonymous 122097NS June 30, 2017 5:35 AM  

This thread is going to be epic. And I'm getting this book as soon as I get home from work.

Blogger SteelPalm June 30, 2017 5:53 AM  

Very interesting excerpt from a book with an intriguing premise.

While certainly not an idiot, I wonder if Hitler was anywhere near as analytical as Creveld's version above. Based on his speeches and writings, as well as accounts by other Nazis, he didn't appear to be, often basing decisions on emotions or capriciously choosing one path one day and a different one the next.

Anonymous CS June 30, 2017 5:55 AM  

Interesting excerpt. Rather more sympathetic than I expected and doesn't hesitate to name the (((perpetrator))) of the nation's misery. I really didn't expect that.

Blogger The Kurgan June 30, 2017 6:07 AM  

Creveld is one of only a few intellectually honest humans left on the planet.

Blogger Johnny June 30, 2017 8:37 AM  

>>It's always important to remember that in person Hitler was considered to be witty, urbane, polite, distinguished, and extremely well-read. (The shouting and pounding the podium was just for speeches.) It's good to see that coming through in the text.


>>While certainly not an idiot, I wonder if Hitler was anywhere near as analytical as Creveld's version above.

To explain Hitler by way of antidote, following WWI Hitler spent some time in a boarding house for down and out men. He was very intense when it came to politics and the other boarders made fun of him by deliberately getting him excited. As a trick one day one of them fastened a jacket he wore to a chair so that when he got really excited and leaped from the chair in argument, the chair followed along behind him. His excitable stage performance was a performance but it was also the way he really was.

He had what I would call an artistic temperament. Emotionally very intense with a strong visual orientation. His emotions were always close to the surface and he remained isolated from people most of his life. To choose a career for him; he would have been a great movie director. He had a strong sense of the visual and love of drama. It turned up in Nazism a lot. The Nazi's looked good right down to the uniform and note that in the old Nazi footage they do not actually look dated. Hitler was involved in the look of Nazism a lot.

Blogger Johnny June 30, 2017 9:25 AM  

I view WWII as the unfinished business of WWI.

If the Europeans wanted a more permanent peace, they needed to be more punishing in the war and less punishing in the peace that follow. Punishment followed by forgiveness is the proper way to do things. Instead they settled with Germany without invading any of the territory and then implemented a peace that was vastly more harsh than expected.

A more rigorous enforcement of the armistice treaty would have produced a permanently angry population in central Europe with all sorts possible undesirable outcomes. One possible outcome would have been Germany seeking relief or expressing anger by going communist and allying with the USSR. Stalinist Russia was an expansionist power.

(We had the same problem following WWII. Both France and Italy could easily have gone communist.)

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 30, 2017 9:42 AM  

"That's insane. You morons always seem to forget the fact that your dreamboat fantasy leader not only started WWII, but was dumb enough to start it on two fronts, then declare war on the USA as well without provocation.

And then he refused to surrender once defeat was certain. You cannot blame anyone else for that idiocy.

If I had written the book, I would have been a hell of a lot harsher on Hitler than the author was."

? Where do you get the idea that I regard Hitler as a "dreamboat leader"?
I regard him as dispassionately as any other leader.

And.... So frigging what if he wished for liebensraum. What concern was it of us Americans? It took some jiggering over pearl harbor to finally pull the wool over my people's eyes and send their boys over to be slaughtered for the Jew.

He didn't surrender because he'd already left. His bones have never been found and he probably lived out his days in Argentina. Unlike Quadaffi, an autobahn is not the same as a Great Man Made River. One gets you respect and admiration, the other gets you raped to death with a knife.

You could not be any harsher on Hitler than Miles Mathis and his genealogies. Once you find out most of the leaders of the West past and present, are actually all closely related crypto-Jews; it sort of changes your world-view.

Anonymous Nonfiction Reader June 30, 2017 9:50 AM  

Funny how this book is never mentioned in these discussions...

Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-revolution-Richard-Tedor/dp/0988368226

"Defying liberal democracy, Adolf Hitler transformed Germany into an authoritarian state advocating sovereignty of nations, advancement of labor, preservation of the white race, and commerce based on exchange of wares to replace the international gold standard. Becoming chancellor in 1933, he tackled his country s bankruptcy, massive unemployment, Communist subversion and foreign domination. His social economic programs and diplomacy restored German prosperity and independence in three years, despite opposition from Western democratic leaders. Penetrating the shroud of vilification draping this controversial figure, our study draws on nearly 200 published German sources, many from the National Socialist era, plus documents from British, U.S. and Soviet archives, to describe not just what Hitler did, but why. It also reveals democracy s genuine war aims, a taboo subject for historians, in the ensuing world war against Germany. Challenging the status quo version of the period, here is the book for the student of history who senses that something is missing and seeks answers. "

Blogger DeploraBard June 30, 2017 10:33 AM  

Just purchased

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 30, 2017 10:52 AM  

Oh, I see you deleted my Dugway Villages link. You know, the German and Japanese working-class replica villages pain-sakingly built and re-built down to chopsticks and toys to figure out how best to "firestorm/hellstorm" urban working-class German and Japanese citizens.

Hitler is probably in Hell, but he has fine company with his cousins such as Churchill and Roosevelt.

Anonymous Takin' a Look June 30, 2017 11:00 AM  

It's on Infogalactic btw,

https://infogalactic.com/info/German_Village_(Dugway_proving_ground)

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 30, 2017 1:47 PM  

@44 While the Allies could have made a case for war based on Germany's violations of Versailles as you suggest, they did not. In Chamberlain's speech announcing Britain's declaration of war against Germany he neither mentions nor alludes to Versailles. Quite the opposite, he expresses the view that peace would have been possible if only Hitler hadn't invaded Poland. Clearly, then, the outbreak of hostilities was set in motion when Germany invaded Poland (yet Britain and France took no similar action in response to the Soviet invasion). I'm sure you're aware of the German grievances that preceded the invasion of Poland, and I am admittedly uncertain as to what extent those grievances were legitimate.

Whether you view Hitler's pre-war actions as aggressive expansionism or just reclamation the pre-WWI Reich, the Allies' fearful and indecisive responses to Hitler undoubtedly emboldened both him and Stalin.

Blogger Mac Balzac June 30, 2017 2:01 PM  

The Social Democrats of that time were traitors to Germany not unlike how today's Democrats and GOPe are traitors to America, with both beholden to Global Communism and the NWO

Blogger VD June 30, 2017 3:39 PM  

Whether you view Hitler's pre-war actions as aggressive expansionism or just reclamation the pre-WWI Reich, the Allies' fearful and indecisive responses to Hitler undoubtedly emboldened both him and Stalin.

Without question. But the point is that it's irrelevant that the Allies didn't declare war on the Soviet Union. Of course they wouldn't! The whole point was to PREVENT a Soviet-Nazi alliance. Had they declared war on the Soviet Union too, they would have locked in an alliance and probably lost the war.

Blogger Desillusionerad June 30, 2017 6:46 PM  

Sam wrote:@34

You are thinking the Baltic states. The German attitude towards other regions of the USSR and Poland was less gentle.

You sure the Germans could have taken Dunkirk? Attacking a pocket filled with anti-tank guns seems to be a monumentally poor plan.


There were several reasons why Dunkirk was not stormed.
First, there were hope that the British would surrender (and there were high level talks about it in the UK) and thus it might have been counterproductive to force what probably would have amounted to a brutal slaughter.
Two, the Germans overestimated their position, because they didn't realize the ability of the UK to evacuate their soldiers.
Three, the the German divisions were told to stop advancing by German high command (possibly approved by Hitler, but it wasn't his order) to reinforce the lines to avoid a breakout attempt, this gave the Allied forces more time.
Fourth, a size-able contingent of french troops were surrounded by several German divisions nearby, and those troops fought on for several days even though they had no hope of anything but defeat.

Knowing what we know, the better option would presumably have been to leave the french troops pinned, and not have the Germans stop to reinforce their lines, after all, even if the allies would have broken out of the dunkirk pocket, they would definitively have been cut of from the sea, meaning they would probably not have done it even if they could have.
If more German power had been concentrated on the Dunkirk pocket and no delay in their assault, it seems likely that it would have collapsed several days before it did in reality.
It might have rendered the UK army a decisive and irreparable blow.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 30, 2017 7:01 PM  

38. VD
"It's not murky at all. Germany started the war with its violations of the Treaty of Versailles and the subsequent invasions of Austria and Czechoslovakia"

Good thing Poland never invaded Czechoslovakia. Wait a minute... Tesin (Teschen), anyone?

Blogger Thucydides June 30, 2017 10:57 PM  

@60

While the British Army may have been broken by being defeated at Dunkirk, the British Empire still had a formidable navy, and all the resources of a global empire in terms of manpower, industrial and agricultural resource bases, the vast majority which was out of reach of Germany.

Churchill's "We will fight on the beaches" speech (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkTw3_PmKtc) alludes to this with the line "then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”

The Empire likely could have prevailed against Germany on its own, simply due to the superior logistical base (although the war might not have been over until 1948...). A similar argument could be made about the Pacific theatre and the British Empire vs Japan. America, having an even greater logistical base, simply made the outcome completely inevitable.

Blogger SteelPalm July 01, 2017 2:16 AM  

@55 Takin' A Look

Hitler is probably in Hell, but he has fine company with his cousins such as Churchill and Roosevelt.

FDR? Unquestionably, yes. Churchill? No.

Blogger Johnny July 01, 2017 8:46 AM  

The big mistake Hitler made in WWII was to turn complacent after France was taken. He thought he had the upper hand and turned cautious, not seeing the forces that were accumulating against Germany.

The original attack against France was a bold gambit with lots of risks. That perhaps is why they won so decisively, they had to. Instead of continuing in that vein he treated victory like it was inevitable. German war industry did not go on a complete war footing until 1943.

They should have rolled the dice and gone after Britain boldly, not because it was an automatic win, but because it was necessary.

Anonymous X July 01, 2017 9:28 AM  

"FDR? Unquestionably, yes. Churchill? No."

Dresden was a real Holocaust, not a holyhoax.

Blogger Desillusionerad July 01, 2017 12:05 PM  

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Blogger Desillusionerad July 01, 2017 12:06 PM  

Thucydides
While the British Army may have been broken by being defeated at Dunkirk, the British Empire still had a formidable navy, and all the resources of a global empire in terms of manpower, industrial and agricultural resource bases, the vast majority which was out of reach of Germany.

As i said, before the evacuation, the British were considering a conditional surrender.
Had the Germans managed to seize 200-250 000 POW's at Dunkirk i supremely doubt that permanent intransigence would have carried the day, the UK would probably have cut their losses.

But leaving aside that possible scenario, to you other point, that they could have won, alone.
Nope, they couldn't - 90% of german divisions were brought down on the eastern front - Its not certain the US+UK could have won without soviet assistance.
The UK would never have been able to invade continental Europe and could never have subsidized the Soviets sufficiently to let them win against the Germans.
Germany had a great position at this point, and the worst possible outcome would have been a long draw out air war, that its more likely that the Germans would have won, and even if they didn't, the UK alone could never have actually managed a victory.
US industrial output and Soviet manpower buried the Germans.
The UK paid for the war that's about it.

Blogger Desillusionerad July 01, 2017 12:12 PM  

Johnny wrote:The big mistake Hitler made in WWII was to turn complacent after France was taken. He thought he had the upper hand and turned cautious, not seeing the forces that were accumulating against Germany.

The original attack against France was a bold gambit with lots of risks. That perhaps is why they won so decisively, they had to. Instead of continuing in that vein he treated victory like it was inevitable. German war industry did not go on a complete war footing until 1943.

They should have rolled the dice and gone after Britain boldly, not because it was an automatic win, but because it was necessary.


The single biggest mistake Hitler did was shifting the focus of the Luftwaffe from degrading the RAF (something that contemporary British sources said could have happened within weeks) to terror-bombing the UK. Had the Luftwaffe been allowed to continue its air campaign its likely that they could have acquired the necessary air cover to invade (though it would still have had logistical problems) but more importantly, to cut the UK off from its Shipping - the UK could barely feed it self at this point, and absent a continuous supply would have had no way of actually continuing the war effort.

Blogger Johnny July 02, 2017 8:46 AM  

Desillusionerad wrote:Had the Luftwaffe been allowed to continue its air campaign its likely that they could have acquired the necessary air cover to invade

My thinking is that they should have risked the invasion. Use the invasion effort itself to bring out the British air force. Maybe even have an invasion that it first would be unlikely to succeed. Again to bring out the British air force. And as Hitler had control of the press and enormous prestige following the fall of France, he likely would have survived a botched effort. Trying to take out the air force as they did was an excess of caution given the need for the Germans to win quickly.

The ME109 did not have good range and was put at a disadvantage when forced to defend bombers. Plus any plane that went down would produce a pilot lost to the war effort.

The big bug a boo of an invasion would have been the British Navy. What I am anticipating here is that German air power would have been able to keep the ships away from the channel area.

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