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Friday, June 23, 2017

Portrait of a bad shoot

The police have simply got to learn that if they refuse to punish their own when officers cross the line, good cops are going to become reprisal targets. This killer ex-officer's excuse is almost unbelievable:
The recently acquitted cop who killed legal gun owner Philando Castile at a Minnesota traffic stop last summer claimed a whiff of pot made him fear for his life.

Former Officer Jeronimo Yanez told investigators a day after the fatal July 6 shooting that he was “hit with a odor of burning marijuana” after he pulled over Castile, his girlfriend and her then-four-year-old daughter — an alleged smell he used in justifying why he’d put seven bullets in the St. Paul man.

“I thought, I was gonna die and I thought if he’s, if he has the, the guts and the audacity to smoke marijuana in front of the five-year-old girl and risk her lungs and risk her life by giving her secondhand smoke and the front seat passenger doing the same thing then what, what care does he give about me,” Yanez told the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.
So now smelling like a pot smoker is sufficient legal justification for a cop to kill you? It's pretty difficult to generate sympathy for the murderous Black Lives Matter movement, but between the corrupt legal system that magically excuses bad shoots like this and entitled idiots like this now-former police officer digging the hole deeper, that's exactly what they're doing.

Police must be held to a higher standard by the law, not so much to protect the public as to protect the police themselves as well as their standing with the public. A decline in discipline and accountability has never generated increased respect for the members of any organization.

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Blogger Elizabeth June 23, 2017 7:42 AM  

Jeronimo Yanez: Diversity hire. Lower standards for him.

Blogger Goes211 June 23, 2017 7:44 AM  

For context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V94Lphx6z6Y

Look mostly unjustified but he did say "Don't pull it out" multiple times.

Blogger Nate June 23, 2017 7:48 AM  

Look... we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong. I don't see what your problem is.

Blogger S1AL June 23, 2017 7:50 AM  

"Look... we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong. I don't see what your problem is."

I have issues with this whole situation, but you're completely wrong here. He had a trial by jury. That jury included black and Hispanic members. This wasn't a dismissed case.

Anonymous Godfrey June 23, 2017 7:50 AM  

As CC holder this video scared the hell out of me. Is anyone with a gun going to be shot immediately?


Anonymous Godfrey June 23, 2017 7:52 AM  

@2
What are the facts? The officer asked him for his license and proof of insurance card. Maybe that is what the victim was attemtpting to pull out.

Does anyone know?

Anonymous Godfrey June 23, 2017 7:56 AM  

BLM won't touch this. The officer was Hispanic. BLM is purely an anti-white racist hate organization (e.g. to my knowledge they hardly ever talk about blue on white shootings).

Blogger Jan Minář June 23, 2017 7:57 AM  

> This killer ex-officer's excuse is almost unbelievable

Bad link

Blogger Chris Mallory June 23, 2017 7:58 AM  

Godfrey wrote:@2

What are the facts? The officer asked him for his license and proof of insurance card. Maybe that is what the victim was attemtpting to pull out.

Does anyone know?




From some of the "expert" commentary I have read, the cop screwed up in giving conflicting and negative orders.

The cop had already told the citizen to produce his papers.

The citizen responded that he was armed.

The cop then said "don't pull it out" or words to that effect.

The citizen continues to try and get his papers out.

Cop shoots citizen.

The cop should have said "Put your hands on the steering wheel", instead of his repeated "don't pull it out".

The citizen could have been complying with both of the commands the cop did give, "Produce your papers" and "Don't pull it out" and still made this cop "fear for his life".

Anonymous Godfrey June 23, 2017 8:00 AM  

When I watched the video I was sickened. Scared rabbits should NEVER be allowed to be officers. Was this guy on the force a week or something? Barney Fife looks cool and composed in comparison.

Blogger VD June 23, 2017 8:02 AM  

Bad link

Fixed, thanks.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 23, 2017 8:03 AM  

It is well past time to start disarming cops. They have proved themselves unworthy of the privilege of carrying weapons while employed by the citizens.

Yes, for a cop to carry a weapon on duty is a privilege. They work for us and we get to set their conditions of employment. If they want power over citizens, then they have to make some trade-offs.

Citizens should be armed, not government employees.

Blogger ZhukovG June 23, 2017 8:11 AM  

Just because a Grand Jury, I believe Minnesota uses them, hands down an Indictment does not mean the Prosecution vigorously pursues conviction. Prosecutors typically need a friendly relationship with the police. Prosecutors will think twice before jeopardizing that.

As a former cop, I find that this whole thing stinks of a bad shoot. The excuse given by the officer defies credulity and sounds more like a Mexican found an excuse to kill an African-American.

OpenID archerfisher21 June 23, 2017 8:13 AM  

This went to trial. A jury reviewed the factsband made a decision. Meaning, the justice system worked. Maybe the facts didn't match the narrative and hence the jury let it go.

Blogger Mr. Excitement June 23, 2017 8:14 AM  

Related to Vox's assertion that Gen-X remembers when America was still America:

We can remember when cops didn't gun down citizens for any BS excuse. Or no excuse.

Blogger roughcoat June 23, 2017 8:19 AM  

Yep, the justice system worked. It let off one of its enforcers who obviously doesn't have the temperament for the trade.

Blogger Old Ez June 23, 2017 8:20 AM  

I don't get why he had to fabricate the marijuana story. The dash cam shows the cop saying THREE TIMES to "stop reaching!" "stop reaching!" "stop reaching!"

Maybe it was a bad shoot; I don't know. But I do know that no murder and no manslaughter took place. What happened was a Darwin Award Ceremony.

When a cop is pointing a gun at you and tells you three times to stop reaching and you keep reaching, what else can you possibly expect to happen other than get shot?

Unless you're high on marijuana I guess?

Either way, the cop was probably a pussy and should not have been on the job. Granted. Fabricating a story about pot makes him look bad; cops defending his stupidity makes all cops look bad. Granted. He should have just said, "I told the idiot dindu to stop reaching and he wouldn't listen. Was I supposed to let him take out his gun and shoot me?"

That said, the shooting definitely falls waaaay short of meriting the coveted "Darren D. Wilson and George M. Zimmerman Superior Public Service Award" given to outstanding servicemen and civilians who go out of their way to make towns across America better places by taking out the garbage.

Blogger Old Ez June 23, 2017 8:23 AM  

"As CC holder this video scared the hell out of me. Is anyone with a gun going to be shot immediately?"

If a cop is pointing a gun at you telling you to stop reaching into your clothes (three times) and you refuse to listen and keep reaching, yes you are absolutely going to get shot immediately. And you deserve it because you're a moron or an evolutionary throwback who shouldn't be allowed to own steak knives, let alone firearms.

Anonymous Difster June 23, 2017 8:31 AM  

roughcoat wrote:Yep, the justice system worked. It let off one of its enforcers who obviously doesn't have the temperament for the trade.

Right, because prosecutors would NEVER intentionally throw a case against a cop. That NEVER happens!

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 23, 2017 8:38 AM  

@17 @18 I concur.

Blogger roughcoat June 23, 2017 8:43 AM  

Normies often love cops anyway and make excuses for them. Media has been shoving it down their throats for half a century that cops are bold heroes who risk their lives every day to protect the rest of us from the screaming hordes.

I see the necessity of police, but let's just say there's never been a situation in my life in which I was glad a cop showed up. I figure I'm at least as likely to get shot as helped when the boys in blue arrive.

Anonymous John Hancock June 23, 2017 8:46 AM  

There is no video of exactly what Philando was doing the moment he was shot, but since he already informed Jeronimo that he was armed it makes sense that he was reaching for his car registration, wallet or some other document. Testimony was that Philando's left shoulder blocked Jeronimo's view of his right hand.

My guess is that when Jeronimo panicked and started shouting Philando froze, Jeronimo interpreted this as non-compliance. At that point, Philando's fate was sealed, since the panicked and out of control Jeronimo was already fumbling with his gun. There was basically nothing Philando could have done at that point to prevent the shooting, even raising his hand probably would have been interpreted as an act of violence. Watch the video and you'll see that Jeronimo is begins emptying his clip even before he's properly aimed his gun.

Philando was dead the moment Jeronimo panicked, which is why I think he should have at least gone down for manslaughter.

Blogger Elocutioner June 23, 2017 8:46 AM  

"It is well past time to start disarming cops."

The problems with law enforcement didn't happen in a vacuum. The ridiculous legal system, war on drugs, militarization with "surplus" military equipment, imported violent third worlders and their gangs, BLM/gangsta/thug culture, other diversity, diversity hiring, etc. all contributed. And then they start to self-select to hire more of their own.

Simply disarming them is skipping steps that will end up eliminating the police in the places that need it the most. The situation was created deliberately and it is going to require a deliberate approach to unwind it.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2017 8:46 AM  

Was this cop transported out of Reefer Madness? I realize he's trying to justify himself after the fact and he doesn't have much to work with, but does anyone still believe only hardened criminals would smoke pot around a child? I don't partake myself, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out my neighbors toke up around the backyard pool after church on Sundays. And "risk her life by giving her secondhand smoke"? That reads like parody.

[Gen-Xers] can remember when cops didn't gun down citizens for any BS excuse.

Yep. How many of us have gone from law-and-order types who grew up on Andy and Barney and "to serve and protect," to the point where we hear about BLM/cop shootings and say, "They deserve each other."

Blogger S1AL June 23, 2017 8:47 AM  

Regardless of whether it's a bad shoot, I think there are a couple of things worth noting here:

Tell the officer immediately that you're armed, rather than a minute into the stop while you're reaching for something in your pocket.

Don't smoke weed and drive... or carry (this is actually part of the CCW agreement).

That said, Yanez pretty clearly has no business being a cop. I've seen officers around violent drunks who didn't lose their calm like that. He had to go, and the department made the correct decision in terminating him.

Blogger VD June 23, 2017 8:49 AM  

When a cop is pointing a gun at you and tells you three times to stop reaching and you keep reaching, what else can you possibly expect to happen other than get shot?

You're omitting the fact that he told him to produce his documents. Now, granted, the correct thing to do would have been to sit back and calmly ask the officer how to resolve his contradictory orders. But it is hardly inexplicable how someone with a sweaty cop pointing a gun at him and shouting contradictory orders might be confused and simply attempt to comply with the original order.

The one thing that is very clear is that Yanez should never have been a cop. I doubt he had any intention of shooting anyone when he pulled Castile and company over, but he was quite clearly too scared and unstable to be armed and put in that situation. He should have been found guilty of manslaughter.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 23, 2017 8:51 AM  

The reason for which contact first occurred (the broken tail light) is what bothers me. What is the purpose here? What's the end game? Is the guy going to fix it on the spot simply because the cop has told him so? And I don't this to be a trivial detail for it is, according to the cop, the reason for which contact was initiated.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2017 8:54 AM  

I swear I can remember a time when a cop wasn't allowed to shoot -- maybe not even supposed to draw his weapon -- until he saw an actual weapon and was threatened by it. It was a common TV cop show plot: guy pulls something out of his pocket, cop shoots him, cop discovers the thing in his hand is "only" a knife or some vaguely gun-sized object, so cop plants a gun or otherwise fakes up something, because otherwise he's in deep trouble. I don't think it was ever "don't fire unless fired upon," but it was pretty close to that. Either that was just TV nonsense and in real life it was always okay for a cop to shoot as soon as he felt spooked, or something has changed.

Blogger VoodooJock June 23, 2017 8:56 AM  

The purpose for pulling over someone with a broken taillight is either to go get the guy to cough up some bucks for the public coffers, or as an excuse to go run warrants or to find out if he's up to no good. It's the camel sticking it's nose into the tent.

Anonymous WinstonWebb June 23, 2017 8:57 AM  

Philando Castile
Jeronimo Yanez


Irish, eh?

Blogger Keef June 23, 2017 8:58 AM  

That's a pretty good argument Chris

Blogger Al From Bay Shore June 23, 2017 9:08 AM  

Not necessarily off topic: I'm think of that scene in "Raising Arizona" when the guys bust into the "hayseed bank" and shout contradicting commands: "Everybody freeze! Get on the floor." No one does anything. And old man says "Which one is it sonny? I could freeze but if I get on the floor, I'd be in motion."

This scene is funny because we are amazed at the ability of these folks to sift through the tangle of ambiguous commands. Most people cannot do that, especially in a high stress situation.

Blogger mrkwong June 23, 2017 9:10 AM  

Law of unintended consequences.

BLM poisoned the well.

They created a public perception of police under siege that makes it impossible to get a conviction even on something this egregious.

Blogger Dave June 23, 2017 9:19 AM  

This post ignores the facts of the case.

Castile matched the description of a robbery suspect. He had his gun out when he was pulled over. He reached for it when he was told (3 times) not to do so. He got himself shot.

Blogger Johnny June 23, 2017 9:20 AM  

VoodooJock wrote:The purpose for pulling over someone with a broken taillight is either to go get the guy to cough up some bucks for the public coffers, or as an excuse to go run warrants or to find out if he's up to no good. It's the camel sticking it's nose into the tent.

In my life I have been stopped twice by cops for something that was missing or not working on a vehicle. In both cases I got a warning ticket, no fine, no money to the state. And I doubt they checked for warrants, but then this was in nicer days than at present and I live in a low crime area.

Which leaves it as complete mystery as to why I was stopped because we all know that cops never ever stop somebody over a concern related to the safety equipment on a car.

Blogger Ingot9455 June 23, 2017 9:21 AM  

One of the famous videos they use in police 'shoot/don't shoot' training where the cop has a laser light gun and the screen reacts like a Dragon's Lair videogame has a fellow walking towards the cop making odd gestures. The cop shouts at him to stop, no effect, the man comes inside the 20 foot danger zone, reaches in his pocket to pull something out all hinkily, ignores the cop shouting...

And pulls out a notepad with the top note reading, "I am deaf, my name is..." and so on.

It must be admitted that Philando Castile had that dindu look. He'd been pulled over 50 times for various driving infractions and hasslements... I think in my whole life I'm barely up to 10. No reason for him to be shot - maybe the cops need a laserlyte trainer to properly recognize percentage racial features.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 23, 2017 9:21 AM  

Dave wrote:He had his gun out when he was pulled over. He reached for it when he was told (3 times) not to do so.

No he did not have his gun out. And he never reached for it. He was reaching for his papers, as ordered by the cop.

This cop deserved to die in prison.

Blogger Johnny June 23, 2017 9:25 AM  

With cops it seems like it is often one way or the other, often they vote what they think about the police rather than the particulars.

I got an unjustified speeding ticket once, talked to a lawyer, and was told that without compelling evidence the jury will believe the cop, so don't bother with fighting it. Meanwhile Bill Cosby walked because two jurors would not vote to convict. Hey, guess the race of the two jurors.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 23, 2017 9:25 AM  

Police worship is so asinine.

Making the dindu argument doesn't work in this instance. Castile despite being in idiot didn't do anything. The cop freaked.

I've had a few run ins with cops and they've been some of the most rude and self assured *expletives* you'll ever meet. One accused me (white blue eyed male) of being high. When my breath smelled like coffee.

They don't support you. They support your government. Who is your direct enemy.

Blogger Akulkis June 23, 2017 9:28 AM  

@34 Dave

"Castile matched the description of a robbery suspect. He had his gun out when he was pulled over. He reached for it when he was told (3 times) not to do so. He got himself shot."

If Castille's firearm was ALREADY out, then why was the officer saying, "Don't pull it out." ???

Whatever the facts of the case, you sure as hell don't have them.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 9:30 AM  

NWA was right

Blogger pyrrhus June 23, 2017 9:33 AM  

Of course, the cop and his defense attorney made the whole story up afterwards, but still, it's just cold blooded murder. Wonder what happened during the trial? I can't imagine the cop getting off with less than involuntary manslaughter....

Anonymous Random #57 June 23, 2017 9:34 AM  

Tell the officer immediately that you're armed, rather than a minute into the stop while you're reaching for something in your pocket.

Unless the state requires it, never tell the cop you're armed, unless it becomes necessary, if likely to be detected like if you're ordered to get out of your vehicle or you're going to be searched.

A lot of legal concealed carrying civilians have been killed by cops who gave them contradictory orders, a lot of us are more worried about cops killing us than criminals.

Don't try to make it out like Castile was a real bad guy, his permit proves that he wasn't as far as the courts were concerned, and any claim his gun was out should be dismissed unless there's solid evidence like video, we can't believe anything the authorities say about this case. On the other hand, it may well have been out and visible, most carry methods make a gun hard to reach when you are in a car seat.

Anonymous Looking Glass June 23, 2017 9:36 AM  

It was a bad shoot. And it's complicated by the current political environment of a Hispanic Cop shooting a Black Man. (I imagine BGKB Steve will have the stats for the % increase in the chance a minority cop will shoot someone. I believe it's around 3x that of a White cop?)

The Cop should have been up for an involuntary Manslaughter charge. He screwed up and killed a man for it. That can't be changed.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 23, 2017 9:38 AM  

27. Al From Bay Shore June 23, 2017 8:51 AM
The reason for which contact first occurred (the broken tail light) is what bothers me.



no, the tail light was the PRETEXT.

the REASON for the pull over was that Philando resembled an APB that was out for a recent holdup at a convenience store. so the cop was hyped before he ever pulled Castile over.

because strong arm bandits often joyride with their daughters and girlfriends in the car in the immdediate aftermath of their crimes ...

everything else the little piggy was squealing about ( muh pot smoke ) was Confirmation Bias.



Jeronimo claimed
Castile’s “wide set nose”


a picture of the officer's nose:
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3265186.1498049275!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/castile-shooting-officer-trial.jpg


you can't make this stuff up.

Castile needs to go back to Africa, Jeronimo needs to go back to Mexico.


the first problem is that the judiciary in this country has given cops a License-to-Murder if, at any point, they feel that their lives are "at risk".

the second problem is an obvious consequence of the first, that the police are being trained to shot first in every situation in which they have the slightest concern for their personal safety.


" Despite Yanez’s apparent concern for Reynolds’ daughter’s lungs, he also admitted she’d been in his line of fire — while claiming to have “acknowledged this little girl first” because he “wanted her to be safe.”

“So if I’m facing the driver she was, she was diagonal from him. Behind the backseat or front seat passenger. So she was in my line of fire,” he said.

“Um but I, made sure that I directed my firearm down and as best as I could and let off rounds and as the rounds were going off I thought he was still moving for his gun and, (sigh) I it just seemed like he was pulling out the gun and the barrel just kept coming.
"


this testimony by the officer demonstrates that Yanez was IN CONTROL and willfully and intentionally changed his line of fire so that the child in the back seat would be less at risk from his shots.

i also enjoy how the pistol slide was locked back on the empty magazine and the officer continued to threaten Castile with it for a full 3 1/2 minutes after firing all rounds until relieved by another officer.

i've had a pistol in my face twice, both times i was unarmed. i've never had police or military training.

i don't panic like this.

yes, Philando was stupid.

yes, Philando was likely under the influence ( which, CCP or no, means that he couldn't legally have a firearm on him ).

yes, Philando was probably going to get a DUI ticket out of this whole deal, have his pistol seized and lose his CCP.

that doesn't excuse the officer's actions here.

Blogger Quilp June 23, 2017 9:41 AM  

Im not a fan of the self driving car concept. It seems to me to be one of those ideas that is top down. No one actually asked for it, but the tech world is determined to to force it on the public as if they're screaming for it. But a good number of these shootings do seem to involve road patrol officers who have pulled someone over for (usually) minor traffic offenses, then end up killing them. If that tech does away with the need for high patrol, well I'm willing to rethink my position.

Anonymous Bowman June 23, 2017 9:43 AM  

Interesting how the woman reacts. She is all focused on doing her video, commenting the murder of her boyfriend with a neutral tone, filming alternatively her boyfriend and her face.
It looks like she lost yet another boyfriend to cops.

Blogger Akulkis June 23, 2017 9:46 AM  

@12

"It is well past time to start disarming cops. They have proved themselves unworthy of the privilege of carrying weapons while employed by the citizens.

Yes, for a cop to carry a weapon on duty is a privilege. They work for us and we get to set their conditions of employment. If they want power over citizens, then they have to make some trade-offs.

Citizens should be armed, not government employees."

It would also serve to get the psychopaths and sociopaths out of the police departments, as no "weapon + badge" combo eliminates the attraction for those who just want to the job for the power trip of being able to threaten their fellow citizens.

Before they foolishly disarmed their public, the the British had it right... completely disarmed police (the investigate crimes and write reports) and a well armed public with laws making it very easy for a cop to raise a posse if needed. The thing is... for the cop to raise an armed posse, he had to make a case that the use of lethal force was appropriate and a good idea.

I often consider the U.S. to b̶e̶. have been the perfection of British political philosophy. Unarmed police raising a posse from a well-armed populace is one of the few things that they were able to achieve which we never had here.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 9:48 AM  


Not the best thing to say, perhaps, but it seems as if he was trying to establish, not a reason to shoot the guy, but that he was hardly a reliable, upstanding citizen if he's driving around smoking weed with a kid in the car. Yanez lost his cool, and didn't really stay on top of the situation that well, but what we have is an armed robbery suspect with an extensive criminal history, and a gun in his lap,
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/12/higher-resolution-images-show-philando-castile-handgun-at-scene-of-shooting/
who refused to keep his hands in sight after being told repeatedly to do so.

Again, for those still repeating the "broken tail light" canard-- no. That was entirely based on the girlfriend's claim in her "lets get set up for the ghetto lottery" video, shot after the event, while Castile was bleeding out next to her. The recording of Yanez' radio call shows otherwise. Castile was stopped because he was the primary suspect in a recent armed robbery. That robbery has still not been solved. There are no other suspects. He matches multiple aspects of the physical appearance of the robber on the store video.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/08/confirmed-philando-castile-was-an-armed-robbery-suspect-false-media-narrative-now-driving-cop-killings/

http://www.vdare.com/posts/video-shows-why-yanez-shot-castile

An additional possible link between Castile and the robbery:
http://gotnews.com/breaking-mn-cops-newport-cigarette-tax-stamps-tie-gangbanger-philandocastile-to-convenience-store-robbery-falconheightsshootings/

Blogger Akulkis June 23, 2017 9:49 AM  

"This went to trial. A jury reviewed the factsband made a decision. Meaning, the justice system worked. Maybe the facts didn't match the narrative and hence the jury let it go."

And WHO did the investigation which provided the evidence to be used against their fellow officer?

Anonymous Bryan June 23, 2017 9:51 AM  

TL;DR - just another dumbass dindu.

So he was high and carrying. Right there he's being irresponsible and breaking the law. If a cop smells weed, you tell him you have a gun, then you reach down - i have no sympathy for you.

In the dash cam footage, he said [No, don't reach for it!], then he reacted and shot him.

The cop was right to be jumpy.

When a cop knows you have a gun, you have to keep your hands up and do *only* and *exaclty* what he says.

Anonymous Jody June 23, 2017 9:51 AM  

That article at the link is incredibly slanted.

The traffic stop was made because Castile strongly resembled a suspect from an armed robbery of a convenience store a few days before. If the surveillance camera photo that I saw online is correct, Castile had similar face and hair to the robber, and very similar ears. The robber had less or no beard.

This robbery, by the way, happened just down the street from where I used to live.

Yanez was to be on the lookout for the robbers, saw Castile, and used Castile's broken taillight as an excuse to make a traffic stop.

From the dashcam video, Castile gives Yanez his insurance card, Yanez looks at it, Castile mentions that he has a gun, Yanez puts his hand on his gun, and says "Ok, don't reach for it." There's no video of what Castile was doing at this point, probably continuing to reach for his driver's license in his pocket.

In the next two seconds or so, Yanez keeps saying "Don't reach for it!" while drawing his gun. Then he shoots.

Afterward, Yanez is freaking out. To me It seems very clear that he shot Castile because he was genuinely afraid for his life.

My analysis:

Yanez found himself in a precarious situation, and had at most a couple of seconds to decide what to do.

This situation was not created by Yanez, but by the armed robbers and by Castile not announcing he had a gun until he was reaching for his driver's license. The law Yanez was tried under required that he be at fault in helping to create the risky situation.

From a human factors standpoint, intermixing the two tasks of dealing with papers and announcing a firearm is not a good idea, and there should be a more established protocol where the gun issue is dealt with first, then the more routine stuff can be handled. That requires that the driver be given the right to interrupt the officer's request for license and insurance, without fear of punishment for noncompliance.

You can see in the dashcam video that from the time Castile announced that he had a gun, Yanez was focused on deciding whether or not to shoot. He wasn't prepared to jump behind Castile or do anything else. Probably he was following his training.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 9:53 AM  

"Castile needs to go back to Africa, Jeronimo needs to go back to Mexico."

That's the bottom line, really.

Anonymous fop June 23, 2017 9:54 AM  

A criminal who intends to shoot a cop never announces "I have a loaded weapon on my person."

Cop is a dangerous moron. Easy manslaughter conviction. BLM has every right to be pissed.

Blogger VD June 23, 2017 9:55 AM  

To me It seems very clear that he shot Castile because he was genuinely afraid for his life.

It is. Because he is a cowardly little idiot. That's why he should have been charged with, and found guilty of, some form of manslaughter. And that's why he's no longer on the force. They know he'd do it again.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 10:01 AM  

http://www.vdare.com/posts/video-shows-why-yanez-shot-castile


Ironic to see vdare defending Hispanics

Anonymous Panzer Man June 23, 2017 10:02 AM  

Beaner lackwit with badge offs dindu lackwit with probable armed robbery guilt.

My conclusion?

Neither of 'em should be here. Castile should have been on a boat back to Africa, where he could knock over the local human leg meat store if he wanted. Yanez should have been on a train to a gate in the Wall and Mexico beyond, where he could shoot up gangsters or be one.

Neither of them belong here. Who was at fault is pretty much immaterial considering that it should be a foreign jury/mob/whatever deciding it, not an American one.

Anonymous Bastard Sysop June 23, 2017 10:04 AM  

Cops say let's see some ID, and you say, I have a gun and go for your ID and ignore the cops verbal demands to not move towards the gun. That's Darwin award material.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 10:06 AM  

. But a good number of these shootings do seem to involve road patrol officers who have pulled someone over for (usually) minor traffic offenses, then end up killing them. If that tech does away with the need for high patrol, well I'm willing to rethink my position.

That's a really good point that I hadn't considered before.

Blogger Akulkis June 23, 2017 10:07 AM  

@49

If Philandro Castile was "a gangbanger", then why did Minnesota issue him a Concealed Carry Permit.

Most states won't let you carry if you have so much as a misdemeanor within so many years of $PRESENT_TIME.

Blogger tuberman June 23, 2017 10:08 AM  

Perhaps Yanz was hired on that force as a mandate requirement for Hispanic cops that year? And the options were limited?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 10:09 AM  

If Philandro Castile was "a gangbanger", then why did Minnesota issue him a Concealed Carry Permit.

Most states won't let you carry if you have so much as a misdemeanor within so many years of $PRESENT_TIME.


https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/administrative/pages/permit-to-carry-faq.aspx

What are the requirements for getting a permit to carry?
Must be at least 21 years of age
Must complete an application form
Must not be prohibited from possessing a firearm under Minnesota Statute 624.714
Must not be listed in the criminal gang investigation system

Blogger Akulkis June 23, 2017 10:10 AM  

@54

Exactly.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 23, 2017 10:10 AM  

52. Jody June 23, 2017 9:51 AM
The law Yanez was tried under required that he be at fault in helping to create the risky situation.
...
Probably he was following his training.



and, as in this situation, when Yanez was AT FAULT "in helping to create the risky situation" due to his training?

by your own account, that means Yanez is culpable.

shitty training is not an excuse to murder people any more than ignorance of the Law is license to violate the Law.

really unfortunate avatar handle, by the way.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jody

Anonymous Anchorman June 23, 2017 10:10 AM  

If a non-uniformed civilian made that shot/kill, there'd be no justification at all. It would be laughable.

"I walked up to this guy's car in the parking lot and smelled pot. I asked the guy for directions and he informed me that he had a firearm.

So, I shot him seven times, because if he would smoke in front of his child, he'd kill me."

Blogger roughcoat June 23, 2017 10:11 AM  

Quilp wrote:Im not a fan of the self driving car concept. It seems to me to be one of those ideas that is top down. No one actually asked for it, but the tech world is determined to to force it on the public as if they're screaming for it. But a good number of these shootings do seem to involve road patrol officers who have pulled someone over for (usually) minor traffic offenses, then end up killing them. If that tech does away with the need for high patrol, well I'm willing to rethink my position.

Decreasing individual freedom to treat a symptom of the growing police state sounds a bit backward to me.

How about we just tell cops to stop being such lily-livered faggots?

Blogger APL June 23, 2017 10:12 AM  

Philando Castile/Jeronimo Yanez

Latino on Negro violence. Ain't diverserty great?

Anonymous Random #57 June 23, 2017 10:14 AM  

Cops say let's see some ID, and you say, I have a gun and go for your ID and ignore the cops verbal demands to not move towards the gun.

Is there any real evidence Castile continued to reach for his ID? A lot of cops go completely crazy when they're told by a legally concealed carrying citizen that he's armed, and Jeronimo was clearly one of them. @22 John Hancock probably has it right, "Philando was dead the moment Jeronimo panicked"

The real Darwin awards go to people who stay in American and don't do every possible thing they can to avoid interacting with the police.

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 10:14 AM  

Castile was a bigger lie than Gentle Mike shot in back for didndu nutting.

Legal gun owner lol, the sheriff said he didn't have a CCW, some shitlib reporter said an anonymous source said he did. If he had one from a previous address he would have committed a misdemeanor by not informing of change of address. The skanks own video shows the gun in his lap.

Castile was a crips TYCOON GANGSTER, that's someone who provides underage girls for money.
This article has all the relevant info I mentioned and his 57 pervious encounters with the law.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/10/falcon-heights-philando-castile-shooting-update-radio-dispatch-and-dash-cams/

He also posted multiple videos of driving around smoking pot with a kid in the car,if he was white CPS would have taken kids away. This & Gentle Mike are the best poster boys for good black males they could find, other than Bill Cosby
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/philando-castile-child-abuse-video-surfaces-castile-girlfriend-smoking-pot-driving-child-car/

Anonymous Ghost Who Walks June 23, 2017 10:16 AM  

Police are employees of municipal corporations, just like garbage men, and others. Absent heroic behavior, police are not heroes. They uphold the laws, exercising the police powers of their state s; they are not hired to be "warriors" or ninjas. Treat them fairly, but no license to kill, eh? It is also a VERY bad idea to allow and encourage cops to steal, via civil asset forfeiture (so-called). You are creating pirates!

Blogger Solaire Of Astora June 23, 2017 10:16 AM  

I'll never understand the right's knee jerk defense of police. It's like they think they're living in the 50's. I know for a fact the LAPD is less than a shadow of its former self, and it's primarily because of its racial hiring quotas that require lowered standards. There's nothing quite like seeing ethnic 'police' riding around hunched down like they're low riding. I remember Giuliani saying how proud he was of the NYPD hiring more non-whites. I assume other police departments have followed suit.

I assume police are in it for their pensions and will do anything they can to survive until retirement and live off a dying system. If you are an obstacle to this in anyway, you better start praying. I assume this until proven otherwise, which never happens. Even my neighbor who was a white gung ho cop took the first chance he did to exploit an incident to retire early and sit around drinking beer and pursuing hobbies.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 23, 2017 10:18 AM  

59. Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 10:06 AM
That's a really good point that I hadn't considered before.


you're never going to do away with traffic patrol because you're never going to do away with:
- traffic accidents
- criminal getaway scenarios
- need to patrol neighborhoods for reasons OTHER THAN traffic violations


Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2017 10:22 AM  

If a cop is pointing a gun at you

Too many people assume that's reasonable in the first place. A cop is pointing a gun; he must have a reason, because Boys In Blue, right?

If a non-cop points a gun at me when I haven't even threatened him, you can be sure I'm going to kill him if I get the chance, and it'll be self-defense. If society and the courts keep shrugging off cases like this with, "Well, he probably asked for it somehow," that same dynamic will increasingly be applied to cops. Maybe they should think about that as they teach the next batch of recruits.

NWA was right

Yeah this isn't a recent reaction to BLM; it goes back a lot further than that.

Anonymous Rfvujm June 23, 2017 10:23 AM  

The driver also matched the description of a robbery suspect from a couple days earlier. I think it was armed robbery but I'm not certain.

I didn't keep up with the trial. Maybe they changed the story since it came out.

Blogger roughcoat June 23, 2017 10:23 AM  

@ 69 BBGKB

He got the permit in a different county. The cover letter he got when he received his permit is available online.

And failing to notify about a change of address is a petty misdemeanor, which is not actually a crime under MN law. A speeding ticket is a petty misdemeanor in MN. Also, do you have proof he failed to notify? I haven't seen any but maybe there is some.

Maybe use the googles a bit before you decide the rest of us are credulous retards. It took me about 15 seconds to find a copy of the letter he got when his permit was delivered. Or was that fake?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 10:24 AM  

This article has all the relevant info I mentioned and his 57 pervious encounters with the law.

From your link:

1. Violate instr permit – dismissed
2. No proof of insurance – guilty
3. Basic speed – guilty
4. Driving after suspension – dismissed
5. No proof of insurance – guilty
6. No seat belt use – dismissed
7. No proof of insurance – guilty
8. Impede traffic – dismissed
9. No Minnesota driver’s license – amended charge guilty
10. Driving after suspension of driver’s license – Convicted
11. No proof of insurance – dismissed
12. No proof of insurance – convicted
13. Driving after revocation – Dismissed
15. Driving after suspension – Dismissed
16. No proof of insurance – guilty
17. Speeding – dismissed
18. Driver’s license – failure to obtain new – dismissed
19. Muffler required – dismissed
20. Driving after revocation – guilty
21. Operation of motor vehicle after loss of license prohibited – dismissed
22. Dangerous public road/water – convicted
23. Driving after revocation – convicted
24. No proof of insurance – dismissed
25. Driving after revocation – convicted
26. Seat belt violation – dismissed
27. Driving after revocation – convicted
28. Proof on insurance – Dismissed
29. Driving after revocation – convicted
30. Driving after revocation – convicted
31. Driving after revocation – convicted
32. Seat belt required – convicted
33. Seat belt required – convicted
34. Driving after revocation – convicted
35. Driving after revocation – convicted
36. Driving after revocation – convicted
37. Driving after revocation – convicted
38. Driving after revocation – convicted
39. Driving after revocation – convicted
40. Stop/stand/park vehicle at any place where official signs prohibit stopping – convicted
41. Expired registration – dismissed
42. Snow emergency parking restrictions – convicted
43. Stop/stand/park vehicle on any street/ally, at the same location, for more than 48 consecutive hours – convicted
44. Abandon motor vehicle on any public/private property without consent – convicted
45. Stop/stand/park vehicle on any street/ally, at the same location, for more than 48 consecutive hours – convicted

In Dakota County, he also had some traffic offenses:

46. Driving after suspension – guilty

In Hennepin County, Castile had these violations:

47. Driving after revocation – convicted
48. Display altered/fictitious insurance card – dismissed
49. Driving after revocation – convicted
50. Seat belt required – dismissed
51. Uninsured vehicle – convicted
52. Driving after revocation – dismissed
53. Seat belt required – dismissed
54. Impromper display original plate – convicted
55. Seat belt required – convicted

There were two drug incidents listed on Castile’s record, but both were listed as dismissed by the court system:

1. Possess marijuana in motor vehicle – dismissed
2. Drugs – possess over 1.4 grams of marijuana in motor vehicle – dismissed


Obviously a career criminal and dangerous gangster

Blogger tz June 23, 2017 10:24 AM  

Tulsa too

She said in essence the horror movies showing police get killed were replaying in her mind.

We train cops they are in a Steven King novel where everyone is trying to kill them and they must be paranoid to survive.

Yanez Had similar training

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 10:25 AM  

you're never going to do away with traffic patrol because you're never going to do away with:
- traffic accidents
- criminal getaway scenarios
- need to patrol neighborhoods for reasons OTHER THAN traffic violations

You can't eliminate it, but you could significantly reduce the number of interactions.

Blogger KJE June 23, 2017 10:27 AM  

Brilliant plan, right up until someone decides to drive a truck through a crowd, like in England, France...

Anonymous Rygel June 23, 2017 10:28 AM  

I won a bet with my coworker this week after a year waiting for the video to come out. I said if the shooting was justified the video would be released before the weekend was over. If it wasn't justified they won't release it until after the trial.

5. Godfrey June 23, 2017 7:50 AM
As CC holder this video scared the hell out of me. Is anyone with a gun going to be shot immediately?

As to this statement I have been pulled over many times, and after telling the officer I have CHL and the gun was in the car they didnt even bother checking the firearm and gave me a warning. But ONCE I HAD A BARNEY FIFE PULL ME OVER FOR 4 MILES OVER THE SPEED LIMIT AND WHEN STATED I HAD A CHL AND WAS ARMED HE JUMPED BACKWARDS PULLED HIS GUN, POINTED IT AT MY BODY WITH NO TRIGGER DISCIPLINE. There are some cops out there who shouldn't be, and we have a system where other cops never out them and the courts let em slide when they commit murder.

Blogger Jabari June 23, 2017 10:29 AM  

Ugh, and the I pull up clark's twitter and see this:

https://twitter.com/shitshowdotinfo/status/878065294618628101

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2017 10:39 AM  

Obviously a career criminal and dangerous gangster

Yes, clearly he needed killin'. Only way to end his reign of terror.

Come to think of it, with all the fines and court costs that list represents, they kinda killed the golden goose. How will they get paid if they kill off everyone who's bad at keeping his paperwork up to date and peacefully ignores the state's regulations?

Blogger tz June 23, 2017 10:40 AM  

One thing missing is that there was an armed robbery, apparently by someone black, so the cop was thinking felony stop inside but acting broken tail-light outside.

This is what most of what are sometimes termed cop-suckers are holding on to.

But if it was really the felony in his mind, he should have conducted it as a felony stop and Castille would be alive.

Then again You could be dying of dehydration, constantly vomiting and the cops will just ignore it until you're dead. Search "jail dehydration" for lots more.

Anonymous Laz June 23, 2017 10:42 AM  

"In my life I have been stopped twice by cops for something that was missing or not working on a vehicle. In both cases I got a warning ticket, no fine, no money to the state. And I doubt they checked for warrants, but then this was in nicer days than at present and I live in a low crime area." Was stopped last week for license lights being out. Besides having to stand on the side of the road in cuffs for an hour while they searched the car nothing happened. Wasn't even given a warning.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 10:42 AM  

Come to think of it, with all the fines and court costs that list represents, they kinda killed the golden goose. How will they get paid if they kill off everyone who's bad at keeping his paperwork up to date and peacefully ignores the state's regulations?

Well he had only gotten one ticket in the last three years so maybe they figured he was no longer a revenue source.

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 10:42 AM  

Look mostly unjustified but he did say "Don't pull it out" multiple times.

It's difficult not to make a Milo joke, but the gun was visible on his lap on the skanks live stream video

Fabricating a story about pot makes him look bad

See the multiple videos posted online by nig & skank of them smoking pot with kid in car. The car probably smelled like Bob Marley's a-hole even after it was impounded for a week.


The reason for which contact first occurred (the broken tail light) is what bothers me.

He matched the description of a recent robbery you can see the pic from robbery & him on my first link in prev post. The guys social media was all about CRIPS and he would have been known to all the local cops given the 57 previous encounters with cops. Perhaps don't post videos online for everyone to see of you breaking laws would help.

A criminal who intends to shoot a cop never announces "I have a loaded weapon on my person."

If you have a CCW and being detained by cops you don't say "i gots a gun", say "I have a license to carry"

If you want video of a bad shoot look here, nigcop was told to look for an armed Hispanic with a red hat, shoots pale white guy wearing headphones in the back

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/graphic-and-disturbing-video-of-police-shooting-of-dillon-taylor-released_062015

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2017 10:43 AM  

Conflicting demands from a cop (or much worse, two cops giving contradictory commands) is about as much forewarning of being shot as anything now.

This is exactly what got a white, middle class, West Point educated Boston Scientific rep murdered by cops in Vegas a while back. https://pjmedia.com/blog/gunned-down-in-vegas-what-really-happened-to-erik-scott/

Blogger KJE June 23, 2017 10:47 AM  

I've been a cop. I left for another career. I have a CCW permit in my state.

Cops aren't perfect.

There should be an independent review of police shootings. And there should be prosecutions where warranted.

The shoot in Minnesota doesn't seem right. There was a fairly contemporaneous shoot in Milwaukee that also went to a jury and they found not guilty for the cop.

Justice seems served in Milwaukee. Maybe not so in Minneapolis.

While walking for coffee, it occurred to me that if we were going to start disarming law enforcement, I would much rather wouldsee a general disarming of federal law enforcement.

But even that gave me some pause as I passed by a federal courthouse where we had a bomb threat last week. And I think I want armed officers patrolling the Great Wall that I hope gets built in the south.

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 10:49 AM  

Obviously a career criminal and dangerous gangster

His own social media brags about worse crimes. If you were a child sex trafficker would you brag about it on twatter and fakebook?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/10/falcon-heights-philando-castile-shooting-update-radio-dispatch-and-dash-cams/

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 23, 2017 10:49 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:And "risk her life by giving her secondhand smoke"? That reads like parody.

LOL, it really does, doesn't it? What a joke.

The whole thing stinks, from both sides. Who knows what the truth is here. Philando was NOT the model citizen the press tried to portray him as, and his "girlfriend" is a grade A piece of $hit. But the cop is apparently not up to the job and botched this thing badly. Life in America today. Oh joy.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 23, 2017 10:54 AM  

88. KJE June 23, 2017 10:47 AM
And I think I want armed officers patrolling the Great Wall that I hope gets built in the south.



category error.

Border Patrol is not a job function of police, who are local or state functionaries.

that's either the military or ICE, both of which are federal *and specifically tasked with* border enforcement.

speaking of the border, lots of building going on in Regina and Saskatoon. both housing and highway. even Estevan is getting a bypass.

oil is back.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 10:57 AM  

@60 Akulkis
@49

"If Philandro Castile was "a gangbanger"

Quotation marks? Who are you quoting here? Did I say "gangbanger?" And of course, your faith in the legacy media narrative is such that you don't even bother to address the voluminous evidence linking Castile to the armed robbery.

"then why did Minnesota issue him a Concealed Carry Permit?"

You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I work for the state of Minnesota. I don't. You'd have to ask them to explain the reasons for their error in judgment.

@56 Josh (the gayest thing here)
http://www.vdare.com/posts/video-shows-why-yanez-shot-castile

"Ironic to see vdare defending Hispanics"

Ironic to see that you're completely incapable of refuting any of the points that they cite. Snide is not an argument.

@76 Josh (the gayest thing here)
"Obviously a career criminal and dangerous gangster"

How many people do you know who continuously drive without a license for many years who aren't career criminals?

You, also, are stuck in the legacy media narrative, and unable to refute the evidence linking Castile to the armed robbery, I see.


Blogger wreckage June 23, 2017 11:03 AM  

Seatbelt violations are a gateway drug to shooting cops!

Once a dude decides to not wear a seatbelt, there's no way to know ho far he'll go.

Anonymous SumDood June 23, 2017 11:04 AM  

Sigh.

@VoodooJock

Years back there were claims that the police had "ticket quotas" that they needed to fill. The money from tickets, after all, goes to the government. And the police are agents of the government.

So, the police (without admitting to the existence of any quotas in the past) have preemptively banned any such thing as a quota.

NOW, each police officer on patrol is given a # of "public contacts" that they have to log for each shift. The principle behind it is to keep the officers vigilant and not sleeping in their cruiser while parked behind a Target store. And since there is no requirement to write an actual ticket with a fine, civil liberties groups have gone along with this.

If it's getting towards the end of a shift and they haven't hit their #...ANYTHING will be an excuse to attract their attention, even if you haven't done anything wrong. They don't have to write a ticket, but they DO have to log the contact, run a plate or licence # or otherwise document it. Writing a ticket takes time, and if their shift is going to end soon they don't want to delay that.

So, people, you should concentrate on being as calm and inoffensive whenever you interact with the police. Don't stand out in their mind. Don't make yourself be seen as an asshole. Blend in.

Even if you end up with a ticket...there is an excellent chance that the officer won't show up in court to defend their actions in writing that ticket...UNLESS you stuck out in their mind as an asshole. Then they will be sure to show up.

As far as this case goes, it is clear that the officer was completely unsuited to be a cop. Bad judgement, bad temperament, bad decisions.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 23, 2017 11:04 AM  

I can avoid and/or defend myself against the dindus.

There is no way to avoid "Officer Friendly" or to defend yourself when he "fears for his life".

Cops are much more of a danger to the average American than any gangbanger or terrorist.


The "Conservative Treehouse" is nothing but a den of badge fluffers.

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 11:05 AM  

"then why did Minnesota issue him a Concealed Carry Permit?"

Even the shitlib anonymous news source that contradicted the sheriff didn't claim he had a current CCW permit.

"a source confirmed Castile was issued the permit when he lived in Robbinsdale. (link)"

The article states: “when he lived in Robbinsdale” and that is past tense.




Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension

Do I need to notify the sheriff’s office when I move?


Yes, a permit holder is required to notify the issuing sheriff’s office within 30 days of a permanent address change. Failure to do so is a petty misdemeanor.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/10/falcon-heights-philando-castile-shooting-update-radio-dispatch-and-dash-cams/

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 11:05 AM  

If you have a CCW and being detained by cops you don't say "i gots a gun", say "I have a license to carry"


Syphilis is a hell of a disease.

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/administrative/pages/permit-to-carry-faq.aspx


Do I need to have my permit with me when carrying my pistol?
Yes, the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver’s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer.

Do I have to disclose to a peace officer that I am a permit holder and carrying a firearm?
Yes, upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm.

Blogger Old Ez June 23, 2017 11:09 AM  

"Castile despite being in idiot didn't do anything."

Keep telling yourself that. Why would a cop choose to ruin his own life over nothing? Disregarding lawful orders from an officer is usually a crime in and of itself. Disregarding orders to stop reaching for a gun? Come on. Why would we want someone like that walking around our society anyway? This might be hard for the bleeding hearts to hear, but the world is probably a better place without Philando Castile in it. Did the cop have the right to make that decision? Absolutely not. But the end-result of removing Castile from our shared plane of mortal existence was *incidental* to his act of self-defense. Well...what was it 5 shots? Or 7? Maybe not entirely incidental...

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 23, 2017 11:10 AM  

BBGKB wrote:Legal gun owner lol, the sheriff said he didn't have a CCW, some shitlib reporter said an anonymous source said he did.

Yeah, that bit about him having a CCW permit was floated out there right away and just stuck. I never saw anything that confirmed that. Quite the contrary. And yet it has remained as a "fact" in the story, even among those who have been skeptical. Amazing how that happens.

Anonymous Avalanche June 23, 2017 11:10 AM  

@17 "The dash cam shows the cop saying THREE TIMES to "stop reaching!" "stop reaching!" "stop reaching!"
When a cop is pointing a gun at you and tells you three times to stop reaching and you keep reaching, what else can you possibly expect to happen other than get shot?"

Plus, when cops were/are getting shot by BLM/negros allllll across the country, with no provocation except being cops sitting in a cop car drinking coffee...

Why should this cop NOT have been on a (legitimately scared) hair-trigger? ANY time a cop stops a negro, he should be beyond cautious. Most Whites when stopped do NOT immediately begin harassing the cop. (Most blacks do.) Most Whites stopped for traffic 'violations (real or made-up) are NOT likely to shoot the cop... you cannot say that as easily about negroes!

IF blacks in America want to STOP being 'hassled' and 'stopped too much' by cops -- then THEY need to stop their damned con-racials from raping, selling and using drugs, shootings, robbing, burglary, and on and on! NOT Whites! We cannot and should not be called on to "teach civilized behavior" to animals that have never developed it on their own!

NO sympathy. (Can you tell?)

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 11:11 AM  

@95 Chris Mallory

"The "Conservative Treehouse" is nothing but a den of badge fluffers."

I see that you're completely incapable of refuting any of the specific points that they made.

@89 BBGKB

"His own social media brags about worse crimes. If you were a child sex trafficker would you brag about it on twatter and fakebook?"

For a non-gangbanger, he sure seems to hang out with a lot of guys belonging to one specific gang. Seems to wear their colors a lot, too. And that's far from being "personal use" quantities of marijuana in those photos.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 11:12 AM  

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philando-castiles-family-reveals-his-gun-permit/

Anonymous Brick Hardslab June 23, 2017 11:12 AM  

Good shoot. You don't reach for your gun (or any thing) after a cop has told you not to. Especially if you're armed and high as hell.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 23, 2017 11:15 AM  

@101 I have better things to do than to go through the rantings of a bunch of cop fluffers.


Yet another example of why cops should not be allowed to have weapons:

http://fox2now.com/2017/06/22/off-duty-officer-wounded-by-fellow-cop-in-shootout/

"Officials say the off-duty officer, who lives in the area, heard the commotion and came out of his house to assist.

Police on the scene told the off-duty officer to get on the ground and surrender. He complied with their commands. When another officer recognized him and told the others to let him get up, another officer shot him.

The 38-year-old officer was taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound to his arm. He is listed in good condition. He is an 11 year veteran of the force.

The attorney for the wounded 38-year-old African-American police officer is making strong statements after police investigators say they shot one of their own.

"This is the first time that we are aware, that a black professional, in law enforcement, himself being shot and treated as an ordinary black guy on the street. This is a real problem," said attorney Rufus J. Tate Jr.

A 36-year-old white male officer did not recognize the off duty officer. He told city police investigators he feared for his safety. He fired a shot, hitting the off duty officer in the arm."

Anonymous Avalanche June 23, 2017 11:17 AM  

@33 "Law of unintended consequences.
BLM poisoned the well.
They created a public perception of police under siege that makes it impossible to get a conviction even on something this egregious."

I draw the opposite conclusion:
BLM absolutely poisoned the well -- that was their intention!
They created a police (and middle-class White) perception that blacks were randomly shooting cops cause ... you know ... BLACKS WERE RANDOMLY MURDERING COPS!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 11:17 AM  

Plus, when cops were/are getting shot by BLM/negros allllll across the country, with no provocation except being cops sitting in a cop car drinking coffee...

16 police have been shot this year.

461 people have been killed by police.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/police-deaths-spike-39-in-2017/article/2623103

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2017/

Anonymous Avalanche June 23, 2017 11:18 AM  

@35 "we all know that cops never ever stop somebody over a concern related to the safety equipment on a car."

"Broken window" policing.

Anonymous Athor Pel June 23, 2017 11:20 AM  

"88. Blogger KJE June 23, 2017 10:47 AM
...
While walking for coffee, it occurred to me that if we were going to start disarming law enforcement, I would much rather wouldsee a general disarming of federal law enforcement.

But even that gave me some pause as I passed by a federal courthouse where we had a bomb threat last week. And I think I want armed officers patrolling the Great Wall that I hope gets built in the south.
"



Think about the situation logically for a minute. Ask why the federal government should fear being attacked. Why is the federal government even in a situation where they fear retribution. What have they done to merit such a reaction. What kind of attitude and behavior spanning decades would make an organization fearful of it's own citizens, the citizens it was created to protect.

The evidence we see paints a dire picture. There is no paternal regard or care. There is no merit in reciprocal obligation. It is a purely predator-prey relationship. And everybody knows but doesn't say it out loud for fear of becoming the next nail hit by the hammer.

You may make the case that mere enforcement of law brings conflict but that only involves those being dealt with by the law. Considering the scope of federal law enforcement it is obvious the federal government fears all citizens, not just law breakers. It's as if they seek to make all citizens law breakers in order to have pretext to do what they will with those citizens.

Just so you understand, the reservoir of trust has dried up. There is no benefit of the doubt to be given, those are all gone. When even law abiding, tax paying, voting, military veterans don't trust you any more then your mandate of heaven is gone. The government have become the enemy and police work for the enemy.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 23, 2017 11:21 AM  

I do not care what the dindu's history was. I do not care what he was smoking.

THERE WAS NO THREAT that even required the government employee to touch his weapon. The rights and safety of a citizen are more important than the life and safety of a government employee.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 11:22 AM  

THERE WAS NO THREAT that even required the government employee to touch his weapon. The rights and safety of a citizen are more important than the life and safety of a government employee.

Preach

Blogger Sheila4g June 23, 2017 11:22 AM  

@24 Cail Corishev: "Yep. How many of us have gone from law-and-order types who grew up on Andy and Barney and "to serve and protect," to the point where we hear about BLM/cop shootings and say, "They deserve each other."

This. I really don't know if it was a "good" shoot and there's a lot of conflicting information. I no longer trust cops in general and don't glorify them, but neither am I particularly concerned by Castile's death. I understand the principle involved, but my gut reaction is "not my people, not my problem." Neither should have been here.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 23, 2017 11:28 AM  

101. Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 11:11 AM
I see that you're completely incapable of refuting any of the specific points that they made.



none of the points they make are exculpatory for Yanez being a pansy fag who should never be entrusted with a weapon and a badge.

who here has said that Philandro was a good boy who dindunuffin?

driving while under the influence of weed should not be a death sentence.

driving while VAGUELY RESEMBLING ( "wide set nose ) an APB should not be a death sentence.

i mean, we COULD dig up the stories about the numerous White people cops have murdered, iffn you want.

Anonymous brentg June 23, 2017 11:31 AM  

worried about her lungs when it comes to pot smoke, not worried about her lungs slinging lead around.

Blogger KJE June 23, 2017 11:31 AM  

I don't generally disagree with your premise.

Anonymous Panzer Man June 23, 2017 11:38 AM  

Again, if Castile was in Africa, where he should be, and Yanez was in central or south America, where he should be, this wouldn't have happened.

Or it would have happened somewhere else and we wouldn't have to endure the endless back and forth about it.

Foreigners shooting each other in America begs the question of "what are they doing here in the first place?"

With that said, 1. Googles are dangerous; 2. BLM was shooting cops; 3. Beaners are trigger-happy; 4. The google disregarded the instructions of the gibbering hair-trigger beaner to stop, and was drugged up, armed and a robbery suspect to boot. How could this situation have ended without shots fired, with that much "moron" crammed into a couple of square yards?

Blogger S1AL June 23, 2017 11:46 AM  

"Just so you understand, the reservoir of trust has dried up. There is no benefit of the doubt to be given, those are all gone. When even law abiding, tax paying, voting, military veterans don't trust you any more then your mandate of heaven is gone. The government have become the enemy and police work for the enemy."

Police do not work for the federal government.

I repeat, police do not work for the federal government.

Stop being dumb.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 11:48 AM  

@103 Chris Mallory
"@101 I have better things to do than to go through the rantings of a bunch of cop fluffers"

Your mindless devotion to the legacy media narrative, and your blind refusal to consider facts that conflict with that narrative, is quite clear. Again. Typical leftist.


@107 Athor Pel
"While walking for coffee, it occurred to me that if we were going to start disarming law enforcement, I would much rather wouldsee a general disarming of federal law enforcement"

Quick, try to think of the last time a Fed did something that was heavily marketed by the media as a "bad shoot." Try never. Doesn't fit the narrative.

@108 Chris Mallory
"I do not care what the dindu's history was. I do not care what he was smoking.

THERE WAS NO THREAT that even required the government employee to touch his weapon. The rights and safety of a citizen are more important than the life and safety of a government employee"

So the cop should just stand there while an armed robbery suspect goes for his weapon, after being told multiple times to stop? Uh huh.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 11:49 AM  

Police do not work for the federal government.

I repeat, police do not work for the federal government.

Stop being dumb.


The commenter didn't specify the federal government.

Stop being dumb.

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 11:54 AM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) June 23, 2017 11:12 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/philando-castiles-family-reveals-his-gun-permit/


Not only is that not his gun permit it's not what he would have to turn in if his gun permit was revoked. If I produced an EMT correspondence with my name on it from the last millennium would you assume I was still an EMT? If he had a permit when shot he committed a misdemeanor by not informing LEOS of his change in address

If you have a CCW and being detained by cops you don't say "i gots a gun", say "I have a license to carry"Syphilis is a hell of a disease.

Who to listen to you or "Massad Ayoob Pulled Over By Police and Carrying a Gun "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv7koWgRmzM

16 police have been shot this year. 461 people have been killed by police.

There are interactions less than being shot, girl cops are more likely to shoot. I had one cop complain that every time he came into the ER I was the one taking care of him. He had come in 3 times after wrestling with naggers and wanted to know why he ended up with me each time. I told him if he wants someone else its no problem but he would likely have to wait until my coworker came back from a smoke break, but I am only scheduled to come in to work here on fri/sat nights so if you saw me any other time I was filling in for someone that called in.

Blogger S1AL June 23, 2017 11:59 AM  

@Josh - Yes he did, in the first paragraph of the post.

Anonymous Precious June 23, 2017 12:00 PM  

I also called Yanez a coward after I saw the video taken right after the shooting, where he was pacing back and forth and agonizing verbally. Nothing ever changed my mind.

Hopefully Yanez never walks by my next door neighbor's home where I sometimes catch a whiff of pot emanating from the garage when it is cracked open a couple of feet at ground level. Guy is liable to panic and empty his weapon firing at whoever is inside.

Yes folks I am using rhetoric and I know Castile had a gun. Yes I know Castile did not act like a calm rational white guy in that situation. There are plenty of nations where citizens are not allowed to carry guns, the USA is not one of them.

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 12:03 PM  

A speeding ticket is a petty misdemeanor in MN. Also, do you have proof he failed to notify?

Speeding tickets are summery violations unless you are doing twice the speed limit.

The sheriff where he lived saying he didn't have a permit is proof he didn't change address.

Anonymous VFM #7916 June 23, 2017 12:07 PM  

Notwithstanding the ideas and opinions by commenters from both sides of this issue, I have the following thoughts about police:

1. Great union representation, though firefighters have the better package with less risk.
2. Police are around to clean up afterward and generate revenue for their government.
3. I have no desire to interact with police as their work environment is effectively a 4GW combat zone. Death is a high probability outcome in any interaction with them.
4. I don't put myself in situations where I have to interact with them. Just as you should follow Derbyshire's rules for whites in interactions with Diversity, You should not place yourself in situations that will increase your chances of police interaction.
5. Sometimes life's a bitch and you have to interact. Short term full obedience and GTFO if you can, lawyer up if you can't. Never been there myself, but be prepared.

Anonymous Jack Amok June 23, 2017 12:24 PM  

Years back there were claims that the police had "ticket quotas"

I served on a jury in a case where a Washington State Patrol officer was forced to admit the WSP has quotoas.

But yeah, the two real problems here are:

1) catch-and-release programs for scofflaws like Castille. When a cop makes a "public contact" what we as a society are doing is sending an armed man out to make someone stop doing something. That's a situation that can go south easily, and we should try to limit the number of such interactions. Instead, our idiot justice system makes everything a crime but doesn't actually punish repeat offenders for it.

Castille either should have been in prison long before his 58th traffic problem, or we shouldn't have had armed cops stopping him every few months. Either what he was doing was bad enough to justify sending an armed man out to make him stop, in which case it's bad enough to remove him from society for repeatedly doing it, or it's not bad enough for either. It can't be bad enough to send armed cops out but not bad enough to imprison him.

2) Diversity hires and Police unions. Being a cop requires good judgement and the right temperment. When we had no diversity hires and a sane justice system it's bad enough and we'll have the occasional mistake. Letting incompetents like Yanez onto the force just makes it all that much worse.

Blogger Chris Mallory June 23, 2017 12:32 PM  

@116

1) My devotion is to the rights of Americans and the truth that every word out of a cop's mouth is a lie.
All cops are trained liars and everything they say should be treated as a lie.

2) It is doubtful that he was going for his weapon. It is probable that the cop is/was/has lied about every thing that happened.

We are supposed to live under a system of delegated powers. If a cop has a right to be armed, then a citizen has a right to be armed. Until there was a weapon pointed at him, the cop had no business touching his weapon. If that means more dead cops, oh well so be it. Better dead cops than dead citizens.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2017 12:32 PM  

who here has said that Philandro was a good boy who dindunuffin?

They always run to that false dichotomy: if you criticize the cop, you're saying the perp/victim was a saint. That's stupid. I don't have to think anything good about the dead man to say the cop should rot in prison. Even if everything the cop-lovers are saying about him is true -- he looked like the description of a robbery suspect, there was pot smoke, he did/didn't move/freeze when the cop told him to, he had a long rap sheet -- none of those things justifies the cop even unholstering, let alone spraying bullets into a car. Heck, even if the guy was the robbery suspect, that wouldn't justify the shooting.

Blogger roughcoat June 23, 2017 12:41 PM  

@ 121

"A petty misdemanor is a lesser legal violation.

In Minnesota a petty misdemeanor is a violation in which the sentence may not exceed a fine of $300. In Minnesota a petty misdemeanor does not constitute a crime. No jail or workhouse time can be imposed as punishment for a petty misdemeanor. It is important for individuals found guilty of only petty misdemeanors to know that they can truthfully state on employment and/or educational applications that they have not been convicted of a crime.

Some of the more common traffic petty misdemeanors are:
Speeding
Stop sign violations
Parking tickets
Improper turning and lane changes
Expired driver's license or license plates
Minor automobile equipment violations

If a driver is charged with a third moving traffic violation within a one-year period, the offense will normally be charged as a misdemeanor rather than a petty misdemeanor. Also, if the officer feels your driving conduct endangered persons or property, you will be charged with a misdemeanor. Most non-traffic offenses are also charged as misdemeanors rather than petty misdemeanors."

As I said, failing to notify about a change of address is on the same level as a speeding ticket or parking ticket. Big deal. It's not a crime, as you tried to represent.

And no, the sheriff's department saying they had not issued him a permit is not proof he didn't notify. He would've notified the sheriff's department in his old county, not the new one:

"Do I need to notify the sheriff’s office when I move?

Yes, a permit holder is required to notify the issuing sheriff’s office within 30 days of a permanent address change. Failure to do so is a petty misdemeanor."

Failing to notify about a change of address does not result in suspension or revocation of the permit, unless someone can cite a law I haven't found.

He was issued the permit what, a year before he was shot? You can't get one if you're considered associated with criminal gangs. So he was a baby trafficking drug pushing store robbing gangbanger, who despite having so many run ins with traffic court that he was probably on first name terms with everyone in the court building and half the cops in his county, somehow never made into the criminal gang investigation system? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

Blogger Ransom Smith June 23, 2017 12:43 PM  

Ticket quotas are real BTW

http://wtvr.com/2014/07/15/chesterfield-traffic-tickets-where-does-the-money-go/

I know of at least three localities that have either speed traps or cops trained to bust for slight infractions.

One of those localities basically pays the bills with the revenue stolen.

Anonymous Rygel June 23, 2017 1:00 PM  

I have a local police force that writes so many tickets they passed a Texas state law that the municipalities can only keep revenue from tickets up to a point based on the city population. This city had a 24 officer force when the population was about 2,000 residents. If you pay your tickets in cash at the courthouse the fine is reduced $40 and I bet it never gets reported to the state either and the whole transaction disappears. The mayor was finally arrested but it seems they only lightly slapped the police force and let them carry on as usual.

OpenID archerfisher21 June 23, 2017 1:05 PM  

I totally get the people who think cops are too trigget happy... So why don't you find legit cases of good people getting shot, not ghetto trash? It can't be hard. Only dindus and sjws really care about trash like castile or saint alton sterling.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2017 1:10 PM  

Castille either should have been in prison long before his 58th traffic problem, or we shouldn't have had armed cops stopping him every few months.

Well said. It turns bureaucratic clutter into dangerous situations. We make something a crime, like driving on a revoked license, but don't do anything to stop the person from repeating it. His rap sheet grows, so now the cops see him as part of the general violent criminal class, while he learns to both resent and disrespect the law. Now they're both in the wrong mindset for peaceful resolution of each encounter. Then if a cop shoots him, the cop apologists point to his rap sheet as proof that he was a bad dude.

Anonymous Random #57 June 23, 2017 1:13 PM  

"So why don't you find legit cases of good people getting shot, not ghetto trash?"

We have, one has even been mentioned in this discussion. But the current case is current, that's why we're discussing it. And because some of us have the wit to realize we could be next, whether or not we're "ghetto trash," a lot of us are in fact in more danger from the police than from "ghetto trash," we can't avoid the police like we can "ghetto trash."

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 23, 2017 1:18 PM  

Godfrey wrote:
As CC holder this video scared the hell out of me. Is anyone with a gun going to be shot immediately?

In many cases, yes. There are scores of examples. This is something those who are alt-lite and beginning the red-pill process have a hard time comprehending: The Badge-Gang, including the "Oathkeepers", are the enemy. They are there to support the existing order: an utterly corrupt, lawless, genocidal Banana Empire dedicated to exterminating whites and Christians. You can ghost dance all you like about 'muh constitution', 'rule of law' and the rest, but all are a long dead corpse whose stench hardly even lingers in the air. The Clintons, Corzine, Obama, Holder and the Banksteins all got away with it. Not a single one was even charged or impeached.

People seem to have little memory for even the recent past. Early in the term of Housenigga Hussein, the State of Montana talked about defying the BATFE and essentially nullifying the NFA within the state. Holder's DOJ put a stop to that and they - being cuckservatives of the Gay Old Pedos - of course backed down. By contrast, multiple Sanctuary Cities and even states openly defy immigration law and Trump, who evidently has little control over the executive branch, is basically paralyzed into inaction. I've yet to see an "Oathkeeper" turn his weapon on one of the lawless Marxist commissars who give the badge-gangs their orders. Their "oath" - even if sincere - is to a long-dead document. The "law" means whatever the blackrobed minions of the oligrachy says it means - nothing more. Police basically have a license to kill - unless it's a white badge-gang grunt up against a dindu or an invader (Darren Wilson, even though exonerated for self-defense against St. Swisher the Sweet, will never work as a badge-gang member again). Diversity hires apparently have license to kill fellow vibrants along with YT.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 1:20 PM  

@111
"none of the points they make are exculpatory for Yanez being a pansy fag who should never be entrusted with a weapon and a badge."

Sure. But that's not the question, is it? The question is "Did he commit manslaughter (if he was White, it would have been murder, of course)?"

"driving while VAGUELY RESEMBLING ( "wide set nose ) an APB should not be a death sentence."

Not "vaguely resembling." It's the same guy. Not just his features-- there are photos of him with the exact same ball cap that the robber was wearing, he's got the same dreads, etc. Look at the photos. This is what happens when you allow the legacy media to select the stories, and filter them for you.

"i mean, we COULD dig up the stories about the numerous White people cops have murdered, iffn you want"

Thanks for making my point for me. You woild have to dig them up. Just who do you think decides which stories get heavy, unanimous national play, and which ones are minor local stories, anyway? The news fairy? There have been any number of shootings by cops that were far worse than this, where the cops were White and the victim Black, that got exactly zero national news coverage, and the cop involved was not only not charged with a crime, he wasn't even fired. Jeremy Mardis is the only one that I can think of that actually got some coverage, and resulted in convictions. But that one was not a "bad shoot"-- it was clearly premeditated attack under cover of the badge, and the victim ended up being the 6 year old son of their target. So that one was pretty hard to hide, since it was so outrageous.

Try looking up Larry Shields, a Black Philadelphia cop who, in the course of a single year, shot two different men. In their own homes. For no good reason. At least one of the victims was White. One was unarmed, the other had a handgun legally in his possession (in his own home). No national coverage, no criminal charges, and not even any disciplinary action. Look it up. But you'll find it's difficult to find a photo of Shields, or a reference to his race, or to the race of his victims, for some reason. I wonder why that is?

The selection bias at work here is obvious. A less anecdotal point-- look up Fryer's study on police shootings. Not the conclusions; those are spin. The results. White cop/ White victim: 14.9% unarmed; White cop/ Black victim: 19% unarmed; Black cop/ Black victim: 26% unarmed; Black cop/ White victim: 37.5%. The only statistically significant difference by race was the last one: Black officers are more likely to shoot unarmed Whites. And this is from a Black leftist academic. Guess how much publicity that finding got?

Bottom line? Every single one of the cases of some poor Negroid who dindu nuffin and was murdered by evil Whitey (or an honorary Whitey, like Zimmerman or this mestizo) for no reason at all, is chosen, marketed, and heavily spun to promote a particular narrative. If you allow the legacy media to select the data set for you, you're still missing the point, no matter how hard you analyze the evidence in the cases that they choose to publicize. Because you're forgetting about the memory hole.

Blogger roughcoat June 23, 2017 1:22 PM  

Actually, anyone who cares about their own rights should be defending "trash" who have their rights violated. Once you start thinking it's okay for the trash to be shot because, well shit, they probably did something... at that point all your enemies need to do is demonize *you*.

Take people in the alt-right. Do you think the average normie cares if a "white supremacist" gets shot by police? Dude probably runs a meth lab anyway, right? Why do you think the media works so hard to smear us?

I'll be the first to say it's retarded to expect cops to do their jobs without applying any pattern recognition, the way people who are so anti-profiling want. But the standard cops have to hold in their actual use of force is absurd. As it is now, a normal citizen with no special training is held to a higher standard than cops after a use of force incident, when the cops are supposed to be tough, well trained, steady nerved types. That's completely backwards.

And it is easy to find examples of good people getting shot. Eric Scott immediately comes to mind, and there are plenty of sites out there dedicated to cataloguing incidents like that.

Anonymous SigOther June 23, 2017 1:35 PM  

Testi-lying and reptile theory, they call that. The witness makes up some sort of excuse to explain their state of mind, which excuse happens to trigger the jury's sense of moral outrage and instinct to protection of self and family. Thus the bizarre reference to "second hand smoke" that "endangered" a 5 year old. the lie is intended to play to a prejudice (protection of children, hatred of smokers) and invoke a defensive response of antipathy towards the victim - you wouldn't want this guy giving YOUR 5 year old lung cancer, would you? So shooting him was really a good thing. Ignore the fact that there was no need or good cause to shoot, no reasonable fear of imminent harm, he was a SMOKER of WEED! around The Children and deserves what he got.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 1:36 PM  

@124 Chris Mallory
@116

"It is doubtful that he was going for his weapon. It is probable that the cop is/was/has lied about every thing that happened."

It's hardly surprising that you reached this conclusion, given your refusal to consider any facts about the case that have not been presented to you by the NYT, WaPo, or your teevee.

Anonymous SigOther June 23, 2017 1:46 PM  

What if fifteen seconds before that, the cop ordered you to pull out your wallet and give him your ID, which was in your pocket? Perhaps the officer doesn't actually fear for his life because the suspect is complying with an order to retrieve the suspect's ID. Maybe, the officer is responsible for the resulting death caused by the officer's stupid instructions and the officer's failure to deal with the situation appropriately. Someone who has been conferred the power of life and death over us citizens must be capable of making life or death decisions, not some paste-eater who orders a suspect to do something that the officer thinks (or after the fact says he thought) is threatening.

Blogger Crank June 23, 2017 1:46 PM  

I'm not sure what more the police can do to punish him. They fired him. They prosecuted him. The jury let him off.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 23, 2017 1:47 PM  

I'll never understand the right's knee jerk defense of police. It's like they think they're living in the 50's. I know for a fact the LAPD is less than a shadow of its former self, and it's primarily because of its racial hiring quotas that require lowered standards.

Whatever else one may say, this blog is one of the few places on the right side of the blogosphere where there is very little knee-jerk defense of the police. It is telling that the BLM types haven't been agitating about this case nearly as much as they did about the Darren Wilson's much more clear-cut case of self-defense against the Gentle Giant of Fergudishu.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 23, 2017 1:55 PM  

133. Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 1:20 PM
It's the same guy.



maybe it is, maybe it's not, it's completely irrelevant.

YANEZ DID NOT KNOW THAT.


133. Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 1:20 PM
Just who do you think decides which stories get heavy, unanimous national play, and which ones are minor local stories, anyway?



i'm the guy who goes on Ars Technica and points out that, if they actually gave a damn about police violence, they'd be playing up Whites getting murdered by police ( of which there are numerous examples ).

you're not telling me anything i don't know.

well, okay, i may not know YOUR particular cases, but we have a plethora to choose from.

none of which are relevant to Yanez being
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN6avab0fIY


i find it hilarious that you're complaining about police violence in thread in which you ...

are advocating for police violence.

shoot Philando, shoot his ass dead!


you know what's really bad about this? Yanez wasn't alone. he had his partner backing him up on the other side of the car.

you might could give Yanez the benefit of the doubt if this was a solo stop and his personal safety was entirely in his own hands. but it wasn't.


Anonymous SigOther June 23, 2017 1:57 PM  

Eh, that's too harsh. This only rises to involuntary manslaughter at most. 6 months to 2 years, max. That is frequently a misdemeanor charge, if I recall correctly.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 23, 2017 2:03 PM  

@133.

Superb point. Yet again, it proves that one cannot believe anything coming from (((fake news))). This is an example of how even we can start to get duped by their lies. The entire coverage of the story by (((fake news))) is part of the narrative they push. There was a case in Iowa about 3 years where a white mother of 2-3 was gunned down by a dindu badge-gang member in her own yard becase dindu was killing her dog. No coverage. As always, badge-gang has license to kill if feelz unsafe. Officer dindu still on job. His head should be parboiled and mouted on a stake.

Anonymous SigOther June 23, 2017 2:10 PM  

[citation needed]
The statement is that Castile was a gangbanger, eg a member of a violent street gang and drug dealer. That seems to be pretty true, esp. the drugs. There's no disabling 18 USC 922 conviction for "being a gangbanger." The fact he hadn't yet been convicted of a disabling misdemeanor or a felony doesn't disprove the point. All gangsters have a clean record, up until they are convicted of their gangsterisms. Also, this guy appears to have had a rap sheet a yard long, indicating to me that he's part of the criminal underclass. He just managed to only get caught for misdemeanor and infractions, or pled down the felonies. Thus your point does not follow

Anonymous SigOther June 23, 2017 2:13 PM  

Doing the jobs cuckservatives won't do?

Anonymous One Deplorable DT June 23, 2017 2:16 PM  

A number of people are commenting without having watched the dash cam video which is now public. The officer never asked for ID. Castile handed him his insurance card then told Yanez that he was armed. Yanez replied with 'don't pull it out', then the second command, then the third and the shooting.

The gf was trying to talk over everyone saying "he's not pulling it out." She only added to the confusion.

Here's the part that likely got Yanez acquitted: at one point you can hear Castile say "I have to pull it out." I listened to this part of the video on high volume 3x because I had a hard time believing it. Now consider the fact that the gun was out when they pulled Castile's body from the car.

I don't believe Castile had any intention of harming the officer. He probably had to move the weapon to get to his wallet and ID. I think he was on 'auto pilot' trying to be a good citizen and promptly get everything the officer needed. And I don't think he interpreted the officer's words as commands being issued on pain of death. To him it was a simple conversation. As best as I can tell from the video, Yanez's weapon was not in Castile's field of view. Castile had no idea a gun was being pulled and aimed at him. He completely misjudged the officer's state of mind.

It would be easy at this point to say "Darwin award" or "pot" and hand wave the whole case. But I don't think that would be an accurate assessment.

There is a disconnect in America between cops and citizens when it comes to traffic stops. Most citizens do not imagine for one second that the stop is anything serious or might result in their death. In most people's minds cops are good guys and they've done nothing seriously wrong so why would the encounter go down hill? Yes, people are often nervous at traffic stops. But they're nervous about appeasing an authority and avoiding a ticket. Not getting shot.

Contrast this with officers who, in America at least, are trained to believe that they will not live to see retirement. Every last video where a cop is shot is drilled into their skulls. Every encounter that ever went south back to Wyatt Earp in the old west is memorized. They are told over and over to treat every citizen, every encounter, as a life or death situation.

They honestly believe they have the most dangerous job on Earth. The ones who are not ex-military probably believe they are in more danger than a Marine in Afghanistan. If you informed a cop that his job is positively safe compared to commercial fishing he would not only take offense, he would probably consider it a pretext to an attack and gun you down for his safety.

I see this disconnect again and again in the many videos on YouTube where a cop shoots a citizen at a traffic stop for no good reason. The citizen thinks he's dealing with a German shepherd instead of a pit bull.

I'm torn as to whether or not this shooting warranted an involuntary manslaughter conviction. It would be an easy call but for Castile's statement. Regardless, Yanez should have never been an officer in the first place. And he should never be one again.

And U.S. citizens need to stop thinking of their police as the "good guys" and start thinking of them as trigger happy murderers. If police don't like that characterization then it's time to radically change training, tactics, and attitudes.

Anonymous FP June 23, 2017 2:21 PM  

@45

"because strong arm bandits often joyride with their daughters and girlfriends in the car in the immdediate aftermath of their crimes ..."

Stupid criminals just might do that, especially Black ones.

Anonymous AzDesertRat June 23, 2017 2:24 PM  

Minnesota does not have a state law that requires a CCW to inform a police officer if he is carrying ("Duty to Inform"). So Philando probably would've been better off keeping his mouth shut.
I am going to make the assumption that MInnesota's CCW system is similar to Arizona's, in that your DL is tied to your CCW.
So, instead of telling Yanez he has a gun Philando simply hands over his ID. Yanez runs the ID, it pings back as a valid CCW permit issued (this is what happens in Arizona) and at that point Yanez can at least assume there is a good chance a weapon is in the vehicle, and proceed in an appropriate manner (i.e. call for back-up, have Philando show his hands and then exit the vehicle in a slow manner, etc., etc., etc.)

I've been stopped twice in a vehicle while carrying. The first time was midday and I had my 2 and 6 year olds with me. The cop misread the registration tag on my plate. I told the officer I was armed and he had me exit the vehicle, place my hands on the roof, and then asked for the location of my weapon. I told him where it was on my person and he disarmed me, took my weapon back to his cruiser, and then we finished the stop. When it was done he asked me to get into my vehicle, pop the trunk, and he placed my weapon in my trunk. He then asked if I would wait for him to leave the scene before retreiving it. Whole thing took about 30 minutes. My biggest concern was that he never safed my weapon after disarming me, and placed a loaded handgun in the trunk of my car with both of my kids in the backseat.

Second time I was stopped, at night with no kids in the car, for a tailight being out. Cop asked for my DL, ran it, came back to the car and said "Please get that fixed, have a nice night". Whole thing took maybe 10 minutes. I know for a fact it would've pinged him I had an active CCW permit.

The biggest difference (in my mind) between the two stops. Cop 1 was probably in his mid to late 20's. Cop 2 was probably closer to 50 than he was 40.

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 2:35 PM  

1) catch-and-release programs for scofflaws like Castille.

Cops do need snitches. That's how a lot of blacks with the "skinny faggot" look stay out of jail.

A number of people are commenting without having watched the dash cam video which is now public.

I didn't need to see the dash cam video because the self proclaimed TYCOON GANGSTER had a gun on his lap during the skank's livestream. If I get pulled over by cops for speeding I won't have a gun visible on my lap.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT June 23, 2017 2:54 PM  

@148 - If I get pulled over by cops for speeding I won't have a gun visible on my lap.

If only that was enough to keep you safe.

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 3:01 PM  

Just this week white victim
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/watch-cop-walks-up-to-unsuspecting-man-and-punches-him-in-the-face/

Blogger Elder Son June 23, 2017 3:06 PM  

He was reaching is a pretty lame excuse. Like the cop behind a young man with his ear buds in his ears listening to music and the cop is barking orders at him. The young man didn't hear the cop and just happened to reach down to pull up his pants. Cop shot him in the back, for "reaching".

The old man who "reached" in the back of his pick up to grab his walking stick, and the cop gut shot the old man for "reaching".

The young man at the gas station who had just already exited his truck when a cop pulls up behind him, tells the young man to produce his license, which is in his wallet on the seat. he "reaches" for his license, and the cop shoots him for "reaching".

There are many more "reaching" stories.

I've watched the dashcam video of this. Cops will use the "reaching" excuse anytime your hand is in close proximity to where a gun is, or where they think there may be a (non-existent) gun. The fact is, a lot of cops are sensitive little pricks who should never have been cops.

What this cop should have done, was retreat to behind the vehicle, tell the man to show his hands. Then, and only then, if the man would have displayed his weapon in his hands, then the cop should have shot.

What is the moral of the story here? The cop went home safely at the end of his shift, on a maybe. On a "reach". On a hand in close proximity. On a possible/maybe intent.

And you can be sure that as soon as the cop was told "gun", the cop was in hyper sensitive mode. You can watch the cop in complete panic in the video.

Anonymous FP June 23, 2017 3:08 PM  

@118

"Who to listen to you or "Massad Ayoob Pulled Over By Police and Carrying a Gun "

Neither. Mas Ayoob is/was a reserve cop, a fan of permits and all peasants kissing badge all the time. He had no problem defending the cops in the Guerena case in Arizona a few years ago. Look up his blog on backwoodshome.com if interested.

Blogger Elder Son June 23, 2017 3:08 PM  

He didn't have a "gun on his lap". His gun was tucked into the front of his pants.

Blogger Elder Son June 23, 2017 3:15 PM  

The "reach" excuse reminds me of the "stop resisting" excuse as cops pile on beating the crap out of you, as you react to getting the crap beat out of you.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2017 3:16 PM  

I don't really care about this case, despite living in MN and hearing about it constantly. I have no trouble believing it was a "bad shoot" and maybe murder. I also agree about the militarization of the police, though that's more a problem of the stupider (i.e. criminal, black) population.

That being said, your block quote is disingenuous. He obviously didn't shoot the guy because he smelled marijuana. He doesn't even seem to say so in the sentence they quote. I mean, I'm sure he said that, but I'm also sure he said plenty of other things, like: he matched the description of an armed robber, he had a gun, and he disobeyed my orders.

Not that those are good excuses, but the marijuana smoke was just one more thing on top of it.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 3:16 PM  

@142 Gen. Kong
@133.

"The entire coverage of the story by (((fake news))) is part of the narrative they push. There was a case in Iowa about 3 years where a white mother of 2-3 was gunned down by a dindu badge-gang member in her own yard becase dindu was killing her dog. No coverage. As always, badge-gang has license to kill if feelz unsafe. Officer dindu still on job. His head should be parboiled and mouted on a stake"

Thanks. That's exactly it. In a way, by even responding to the question "How do you FEEL about this particular case that we've chosen to market to you in a particular manner to support a particular narrative?" you're being drawn into their frame. "Fake news" is not just flat-out lies; it's selection bias and spin.

What it comes down to with a story like this is that it's not just an anecdote: it's a piece of a false narrative. By focusing on the stories that they choose for you, you're focusing on the marrative, which in this case is essentially "Good bois who dindu nuffin are getting shot by evil YT all the time. For no reason." Because "systemic racism," or some sh!t.

This is not just a narrative; it's a self-reinforcing cycle, like "Invade the world; invite the world." Get the dindus worked up, get the cops worried that they're going to be the next one on the front page, so they get more tentative, or just try to avoid contact, and end up underpolicing Black neighborhoods. Which encourages dindu criminality, which gives an excuse for further police militarization...

The narrative framed by these cases seems to work in favor of centralization of authority as well. The culprit in these cases is always a state or local cop. All shoots by the Feds are good shoots. It's almost as if the local cops are all evil "racists," who need more closer supervision by the feds, or something.

The over-the-top, rather random witch hunts that form this part of the narrative likely serve to reinforce an us-vs-them mentality among the police, as well, encouraging them to see the general public as enemies. Look at someone like Darren Wilson. That case wasn't like this one. Based on the facts, he should have gotten a medal. Yet he gets his career ruined, and almost goes to prison. That sort of thing actually helps to harden the "badge-gang" mentality.

Sure, cops shoot people they shouldn't. Sometimes it rises to the level of criminal behavior, sometimes it's incompetence or bad training. But that's not what this particular marketing campaign/ moral panic by the legacy media, or this particular piece of it, is really about.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 3:20 PM  

@153 Elder Son
He didn't have a "gun on his lap". His gun was tucked into the front of his pants

Look at the photos. It's on his lap.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2017 3:28 PM  

@155-By way of explanation, let's parse that bit of Fake New York Daily News. In the first paragraph quoted it says, "a whiff of pot made him fear for his life."

When we eventually get to the money quote, the officer says, "I thought, I was gonna die *AND* I thought...[something about smoking in front of a kid]" (emphasis mine). There's no indication he shot the guy because he smelled pot. It sounds ridiculous to include pot as one of the reasons you overreacted, even if it wasn't the main reason. And he did bring it up, which makes him look ridiculous. But that's out of context. He probably said a lot of things. This was just one of them.

In any case, even in that quote it's clear h already feared for his life when those thoughts went through his head. If they did, in fact, go through his head. That easily could've been made up after the fact. That article is a sucker's article, and trusts the audience to gobble up the ridiculous notion that smelling pot can make you fear for your life, without bothering to notice that's just a false narrative.

A false narrative built on real nonsense. But they don't always pull this stuff out of thin air. They work with what they're given and make things sound worse than they are when it's to their benefit.

Anonymous andon June 23, 2017 3:30 PM  

Jeronimo Yanez shoots Philando Castile?

not my business as both dont belong here anyway. deport them all

Blogger Elder Son June 23, 2017 3:44 PM  

@157 Okay. I found a photo. It appears that there is a blurry object on his lap, just slightly tucked under his t-shirt. And? Was it visible to the cop before he shot him? Or, did it become visible to the cop after he shot him?

Note in the video, that what the cop is holding, does not appear to be a drivers license, but paper registration. Castile may have been afraid to reach for his license, until compelled to do so by the cop, whereas he "reached" (possible exposing his gun under his t-shirt) and the cop panicked.

"Reaching" does not necessarily reaching. It just means in close proximaty.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 23, 2017 3:47 PM  

156. Francis Parker Yockey June 23, 2017 3:16 PM
The over-the-top, rather random witch hunts that form this part of the narrative



they're not random.

they're so NOT RANDOM that it's pretty much a guarantee that whatever they do decide to make a big media push on, winds up almost always being a good shoot.

notice you don't hear much about that guy in GA who got shot in the back as he was running away? and you don't hear much about that bimbo retard in Kansas who shot a man for "reaching into" his vehicle ... through a rolled up window? both of those are straight up murder.

Philando Castille went viral because of the livestreamed video, otherwise Yanez would probably still have his job.

Blogger Elder Son June 23, 2017 3:48 PM  

Anyhow, remember when this country goes full topsy-turvy. Cops will be your Alt-Right friend. You can count on it.

All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

Anonymous andon June 23, 2017 3:52 PM  

notice you don't hear much about that guy in GA who got shot in the back as he was running away? and you don't hear much about that bimbo retard in Kansas who shot a man for "reaching into" his vehicle ... through a rolled up window? both of those are straight up murder.

you know you're right.

i didnt hear anything about either

Blogger Elder Son June 23, 2017 4:00 PM  

Does anyone here really believe that he was "reaching" for his gun?

It is pretty sad when a citizen can get shot because of a cops perception, a guess, a maybe, a feelz, an unknown intent, a proximity.

That one could be entirely innocent, get shot/killed over the above, and people are okay with it.

Blogger Kevin Blackwell June 23, 2017 4:00 PM  

I've been listening to some jordan peterson and he has commented that corruption isn't top down (refering to how some people think the nazi's forced everyone to obey) but at every level of the society.

Blogger Dedd Sirius June 23, 2017 4:03 PM  

I don't believe that this incident actually "happened". I think the whole thing is fake/faked.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2017 4:14 PM  

@164-It wouldn't be so bad if peasants got off for the same reason, including when they shoot cops. Adjusting, of course, for the extra authority we grant cops to pursue, detain, and order people around.

Or maybe part of their training should be to stop them from being pussies, and quell their scaredy-feelz.

Blogger tz June 23, 2017 4:23 PM  

And a third cop kills civilian, gets off.

Blogger tz June 23, 2017 4:34 PM  

Cops kill or seriously injure:
Deaf people who cannot hear their "lawful" orders.
People in medical emergencies like seizures (even post-icthal) or diabetic comas or insulin shock so seem drunk.
Mentally ill people who are in a confused state.

Particularly the last. Why not just kill all the mentally ill people instead of having them tased, beaten, or shot? It would be far less cruel than what we have now. There are some police who deal with them and can de-escalate.

Most police will shoot first, then claim 1. "I thought it was a weapon", followed by 2. "I was in fear of my life" and the worst that will happen is a multimonth paid vacation. Even in cases of brutality. "It's huntin' season and I need to go beat up people until they give me a few weeks 'suspenstion'".

Blogger horsewithnonick June 23, 2017 4:35 PM  

He has to go back.

Anonymous andon June 23, 2017 4:42 PM  

@ #169 tz - how about mention the number of deaths attributable to errors in hospitals every year

everyone makes mistakes

Anonymous Panzer Man June 23, 2017 4:43 PM  

Okay, you chaps have convinced me. The cops stink.

(The googles and beaners STILL need to go back, though.)

Blogger horsewithnonick June 23, 2017 4:48 PM  

More seriously, though - if i shoot someone because i think he's reaching for a gun, and I'm wrong,

I. Will. Go. To. Prison.

How in the hell have we reached a point that this is not the case for any given chickenshit with a badge?

Blogger roughcoat June 23, 2017 5:04 PM  

Well, one major difference between doctors and cops is the doctors generally aren't buddies with the people considering prosecuting them.

That's the root of the problem, really. Cops and prosecutors and judges, and sometimes defense attorneys, are all buddy buddy. All on the same team. Who's the guy who got killed? Just some faggot, probably deserved it anyway.

I also think it's amusing that movies and TV shows are always making Internal Affairs types look like hardasses out to hang good cops. In reality, IA just helps everyone get their stories straight unless the incident was too blatant or offensive to brush away.

Anonymous Precious June 23, 2017 5:26 PM  

@158 I am not buying your parsing of the sentence tubelcane. He feared for his life because, after some rambling, he connected second hand marijuana smoke with threatening the girl and apparently anyone who would smoke in front of a five year old girl is someone who has a reckless disregard for all life, especially cop life. So Yanez came to the conclusion that the only rational thing to do was panic.

Hence the whiff of marijuana smoke is a simplification of a BS justification. Going back to the full text doesn't make Yanez look any better.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2017 5:37 PM  

I've been listening to some jordan peterson and he has commented that corruption isn't top down (refering to how some people think the nazi's forced everyone to obey) but at every level of the society.


I like Peterson but that's hardly a novel insight. We get the system (political government) to which our neighbors consent, which exhibits a kind of punctuated equilibrium.

Etienne de la Boetie nailed down "consent" literally 500 years ago in his "Discourses."

IMO we're way overdue for a period of significant trend reversal.

Anonymous Millenium June 23, 2017 5:38 PM  

Carrying a gun is a responsibility. If you carry while high or drunk then I have no sympathy if you get shot. Anyone carrying while high or drunk is a danger to others. I also have zero sympathy for drug addicts, especially ones who choose to drive while high and do it with their kid in the car.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 23, 2017 5:47 PM  

Dealing with the cops while armed is like defusing a bomb. Most of the time all goes well. When it doesn’t, the consequences are obvious.

Rules I observe.

1. Don't be black.
2. Don't carry while in any way impaired (which effectively means no beer at a restaurant, no cold medication.)
3. If anyone becomes aware you're carrying, go somewhere else (preferably home) immediately.
4. Have your DL and CCL in hand, and both hands on the steering wheel, car off, before the cop even exits his/her car. To me, this is the safest way to "inform" as required in most states.

Carrying a gun is a PITA. It may not be right or fair, but neither is anything else.

Anonymous Millenium June 23, 2017 5:57 PM  

Carrying a gun is a PITA. It may not be right or fair, but neither is anything else.

That's the price we pay for diversity.

Blogger AdognamedOp June 23, 2017 6:33 PM  

After that Dallas incident and numerous cop killings across the country, I expected more trigger happy, cop killing of civilians to occur. Bad enough they already have that "Us vs the World" mentality. Throw in some murdered cops and these incidents will only increase.
Now PD's across the country are putting Iraq/ Afghan vets at the top of the hiring queque. PTSD and late night- or daytime-traffic stops may become the new Russian Roulette. Lets hope not.

Blogger tublecane June 23, 2017 6:38 PM  

@175-"So Yanez came to the conclusion that the only rational thing to do was panic"

That sounds like post hoc rationalization to me. Which is belied by events as they actually occurred. Because he would've been able to smell the smoke as soon as he got to the car, but he didn't freak out until after the guy told him he had a gun and didn't act the way the cop's panicked mind wanted.

It's theoretically possible some emotional secondhand smoke logic put him over the edge, though I doubt it. Common sense tells me other factors weighed heavier: suspicion that the shootee was a felon, the presence of a gun, and at least from the cop's perspective not obeying the cop's orders. I can see pot smell amplifying all these factors and making them weigh heavier than they ought to have. Then again, I assume Yanez was in pre-panic mode the moment he stopped the car, given he stopped it because he suspected the guy of being an armed robber.

In any case, the article is flat-out wrong. It says he was in fear fir his life because of pot smoke. The quote they picked out clearly states he was already in fear for his life before the line of thought about second-hand smoke ran through his head. Disregarding that interpretation, if Yanez didn't also tell the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension that he was in fear for his life for all the other reasons I've stated and more, I'll eat my hat. Where are those quotes?

The article should've been "check out the stupid thing Yanez said," not, "Yanez was in fear for his life because smoke."

Anonymous BBGKB June 23, 2017 7:13 PM  

I felt dirty lying about the last part on gab:

The left uses black/brown gun crimes to go after the rights of whites. If you gave every black grandmother over 30yo a rifle there would be no drug dealers or pimps in the ghetto.

Anonymous patrick kelly June 23, 2017 7:24 PM  

FWIW:

When I've been pulled over and asked for ID, if I haven't already retrieved and prepared it proactively while pulling over, I inform the LEO where it is and ask if I may retrieve it, when they acknowledge and approve, I slowly produce both my DL and CHL as required by TX law.

At that point they usually, but not always, ask if I'm armed, and tell them where it is concealed, and they usually say something like, "well, let's just leave it there, ok?".

I'm still here breathing and carrying legally.

I'm also not a black guy who looks like a robbery suspect smoking weed with a kid in the car.

These shootings mostly make my feelz sad because they are tragic and unnecessary.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 9:09 PM  

@25 S1AL

Don't smoke weed and drive
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nothing worse than getting stuck behind some pothead cruising along at a whopping 15 MPH

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 9:10 PM  

@27 Al From Bay Shore

The reason for which contact first occurred (the broken tail light) is what bothers me. What is the purpose here? What's the end game? Is the guy going to fix it on the spot simply because the cop has told him so? And I don't this to be a trivial detail for it is, according to the cop, the reason for which contact was initiated.
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It was a revenue stop gone bad.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 9:13 PM  

@33 mrkwong
Law of unintended consequences.

BLM poisoned the well.

They created a public perception of police under siege that makes it impossible to get a conviction even on something this egregious.
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They were under snipe fire in Dallas not long ago. And they blew that dude up with a robot IIRC.

Pot smoke detecting deathbots of the future drug war.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 9:23 PM  

@45 ((( bob kek mando )))

Castile needs to go back to Africa, Jeronimo needs to go back to Mexico.
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+1000

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 9:26 PM  

@46 Quilp
Im not a fan of the self driving car concept.
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In the future, when the self driving cars are popular, (((someone))) will determine they can make a lot more money by cramming in 4-6 passengers per car.

So you'll jump into the car along with an out work armed mexican cop and a couple armed dindus. Sounds like a damn good time.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 9:30 PM  

@48 Akulkis

Before they foolishly disarmed their public, the the British had it right... completely disarmed police
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And now they have this - a dozen cops in fear of one dindu with a knife - i kid you not
https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/877005303090470913

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 9:31 PM  

I think in these multi cultural societies nobody would sign up to be a cop if they were to be completely disarmed.

Anonymous Panzer Man June 23, 2017 9:44 PM  

Well, don't worry, they've figured out a solution to all these problems:

https://twitter.com/FieldRoamer/status/878086060151980032

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 9:46 PM  

@69 BBGKB
He also posted multiple videos of driving around smoking pot with a kid in the car,if he was white CPS would have taken kids away.
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The other day was with my sister and my 10 yr old nephew and we had stopped at a visitors center. A lot of kids around. Around 1pm in a white north ga town.

Then a dindu special comes wheeling in, and they let loose a pit bull. It had a leash, but nobody holding on to it. Dindu driver jumps out in a clowd of smoke and opens a cold corona against the curb, and jumps back behind the wheel.

I'm sure quite a few of the women there were dialing 911 lol

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 10:02 PM  

@96 BBGKB
Do I need to notify the sheriff’s office when I move?

Yes, a permit holder is required to notify the issuing sheriff’s office within 30 days of a permanent address change. Failure to do so is a petty misdemeanor.
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Must be different in each state. I don't think this is a requirement in Georgia, at least.

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 10:03 PM  

@100 Avalanche
NO sympathy. (Can you tell?)
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I'll put you in the "they both have to go back" category :P

Blogger Were-Puppy June 23, 2017 10:14 PM  

@127 Ransom Smith
I know of at least three localities that have either speed traps or cops trained to bust for slight infractions.
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One step is they could make the traffic cops be unarmed. That's probably what this guy was, a traffic cop. If he is out there drumming up revenue over broken tail lights, why give him a gun?

Blogger Lazarus June 23, 2017 10:17 PM  

((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) wrote:that doesn't excuse the officer's actions here.

Yer right. He should have shot the kid and the bitch. The kid to save it from a wasted life and the bitch to get her to shut up.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Give us this day our daily bait, that we may crush our enemies, see their weaksauce driven before us and hear the lamentations of their women, thank you Baby Jesus, Amen ) June 23, 2017 10:36 PM  

163. andon June 23, 2017 3:52 PM
i didnt hear anything about either



if you're not being a smart aleck ...

both of those situations are actual White cops and Black perps ( both actually were committing crimes ).

IF BLM actually cared
THEN they'd be screaming from the rooftops about those two situations.

Blogger Lazarus June 23, 2017 10:40 PM  

Kevin Blackwell wrote:I've been listening to some jordan peterson and he has commented that corruption isn't top down (refering to how some people think the nazi's forced everyone to obey) but at every level of the society.

Here is how it works:

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

Blogger Cail Corishev June 23, 2017 10:50 PM  

I think in these multi cultural societies nobody would sign up to be a cop if they were to be completely disarmed.

That's true. And without the ability to use increasingly militarized police as a buffer between themselves and the dysfunction, more people would have to face the fact that these multi-cultural societies don't actually work.

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