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Monday, July 10, 2017

An "honest mistake"

Strange, is it not, how these "honest mistakes" never seem to be made in favor of any Republican politician or right-wing public figure?
Sarah Palin’s defamation lawsuit against The New York Times should be tossed because the paper made “an honest mistake” when it said she incited a 2011 shooting that severely wounded Arizona Rep. Gabby Giffords and killed six people, a lawyer for the Gray Lady said on Friday.

“There was an honest mistake in posting the editorial,” lawyer David Schultz told Manhattan federal Judge Jed Rakoff.

Last week, Palin sued the Times over a June 14th editorial that stated there was a “direct” link between one of Palin’s PAC ads and the shooting by Jared Lee Loughner. But there’s no evidence he ever saw the ad, which placed Gifford’s district in stylized crosshairs. The Times issued a correction.

On Friday, Palin’s lawyers argued that the Times knew the story was false. “It was literally acknowledged the same day in another story in their paper,” said Kenneth Turkel.
I'm only surprised that lightning didn't strike lawyer David Schultz dead on the spot. And when you're chiefly known for #FakeNews and hit pieces, it probably doesn't bode well for your chances of selling the innocent mistake narrative.

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94 Comments:

Blogger SirGroggy July 10, 2017 8:13 AM  

Yeah, like when they accidentally misspell the name of their show when they get bad ratings. Whoops!

Blogger SirGroggy July 10, 2017 8:18 AM  

This David Schultz guy's calling in life was to be a defense lawyer for the mainstream media.
Can you get a more dishonest profession than that?

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass July 10, 2017 8:20 AM  

That'll be Comey's defense too:
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/341225-comeys-private-memos-on-trump-conversations-contained-classified?rnd=1499645596

Blogger SteelPalm July 10, 2017 8:24 AM  

I know nothing about the law, but according to actual lawyers, Palin has a very strong case.

Ergo, it will be decided on how biased or unbiased the jury is. I wonder if the NYT will settle? I assume not, because of the political implications.

Anonymous Rocklea July 10, 2017 8:27 AM  

Wonder if Schulz will use the infamous "I know nothing! Nothing!" defense.

Anonymous Bz July 10, 2017 8:36 AM  

Objection! There is nothing honest about the New York Times.

Blogger rumpole5 July 10, 2017 8:42 AM  

Every one of these disgusting jerks needs to be criminally and civilly prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Once their heads are (figuratively) posted on pikes beside the city gates, and their bodies garbed in orange jumpsuits we can discuss lenity.

Blogger Phillip George July 10, 2017 8:46 AM  

http://www.trumparea.com/pictures/show-us-where.htm

Hey CNN show us on the doll where the gif hurt you..

#CNN_are_sending_their_thoughts_and_prayers_to_the_New_York_Times

they have pledged to stand together as a show of solidarity and defiance.

I'm planing a candle lit vigil for them both even as we speak

Anonymous johnc July 10, 2017 8:52 AM  

I hope Palin wins a gigantic award. A win in court would be another great meming device.

Blogger Dangeresque July 10, 2017 9:04 AM  

(((Schultz)))

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 10, 2017 9:04 AM  

SteelPalm wrote:I wonder if the NYT will settle? I assume not, because of the political implications.

If they don't settle I wonder if Palin will take Milo's weaponized discovery approach. Looking at their internal memos in the days leading up to that editorial may expose some interesting material.

Anonymous Goy July 10, 2017 9:19 AM  

The lawyer must have thought: "The name of God is not profaned when it is not known by the Goi that the Jew has lied."

Anonymous Iron Spartan July 10, 2017 9:25 AM  

The mere idea that a member of the MSN will have to publicly say "we intentionally lied about Sarah Palin" gives me a massive schadenboner.

Anonymous beardpaw July 10, 2017 9:39 AM  

Spectators in the court did, however, report a distinct door of sulphur when Schultz rose to address the judge...

Blogger tuberman July 10, 2017 9:47 AM  

I see more layoffs in NYT's future.

Anonymous Stewie Little July 10, 2017 9:50 AM  

Trump has colluded with Russia. It has been proven. He will be out of office in 5 months

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 10, 2017 9:56 AM  

@ Stewie too short for this ride.

"Trump is going to drop out by October 2015"

"Trump is going to lose to Rubio"

"Trump is going to lose to Cruz"

"Trump is going to lose to Hillary"

"Trump is going to be impeached by March"

"Trump is going to be impeached by summer"

I am seeing a trend.

Anonymous johnc July 10, 2017 9:57 AM  

Trump has colluded with Russia. It has been proven. He will be out of office in 5 months

I thought Democrats have moved past the Russia thing and are now just straight-up calling for the assassination of our President?

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 10, 2017 9:57 AM  

Even honest mistakes have real consequences.

They just admitted guilt.

Case closed.

(Not that I believe them for a femtosecond)

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 10, 2017 9:59 AM  

Artificial Intelligence is but 20 years away!!!!

Whatever the Current Year.

Blogger Jeff Wood July 10, 2017 10:01 AM  

I should guess Stewie is a shill. If unpaid, more fool him.

Anonymous Rather, Not July 10, 2017 10:02 AM  

I hope Ms. Palin takes the, "Yes, I am only suing you for $75k, but if you want to settle, it is $100mm cash, or 51% voting control of your board in new shares" approach.

Anonymous Whitebeard July 10, 2017 10:02 AM  

Why is Palin picking on The Honest New York Times? Surely it is not their fault that they honestly believe the crap that they publish. Contrary to all available evidence, Stalin was a great man and there was no famine.

Blogger Thucydides July 10, 2017 10:16 AM  

I'm going to go for the "Discovery" as the real reason for the suit. Dredging through the emails, memos and other internal communications is probably going to expose a lot of dirt, which can be used to bludgeon whatever tiny remaining shreds of credibility the NYT has to death, and potentially be used to attack other Legacy media outlets through unrestricted lawfare. Not even the U-Boat commanders in the 1941 "Happy Time" will have so many targets arrayed and backlit before them.

Happy hunting, Governor Palin!

Anonymous Crew July 10, 2017 10:21 AM  

CNN Reports on Trump's assault on a marine!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjgcdFtcj-E

Anonymous Crew July 10, 2017 10:26 AM  

This seems to be where the Stewie the Shill got his talking point from:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-trump-russia-comey-20170513-story.html

Anonymous Just another commenter July 10, 2017 10:33 AM  

"Just an honest mistake."

Yeah, like not knowing that money-printing causes inflation, bombing Pearl Harbor, or the Holodomor. Just sort of happened. Opposie! Sorry 'bout that!

Ehhh.... NO. I hope she ends up with a bigger slice of ownership than Carlos Slim.

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 10, 2017 10:40 AM  

Hillary colluded with the Russians, there is proof. She'll be executed for treason in mere months....

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 10, 2017 10:43 AM  

This seems to be where the Stewie the Shill got his talking point from:

Louise Mensch.

Blogger Dexter July 10, 2017 10:45 AM  

This David Schultz guy's calling in life was to be a defense lawyer for the mainstream media.
Can you get a more dishonest profession than that?


Government ethics lawyer
Professor of [anything]
Human Resources Analyst
Diversity & Inclusion Specialist

Blogger Dexter July 10, 2017 10:46 AM  

Hillary colluded with the Russians, there is proof. She'll be executed for treason in mere months....

Her ankles are so fat there will be plenty of room for lots of people to swing on them.

Anonymous CarpeOro July 10, 2017 10:59 AM  

The New York Times:
Subscribe today and get regular deliveries of expensive bird-cage liner right to your home.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 10, 2017 11:00 AM  

"I'm only surprised that lightning didn't strike lawyer David Schultz dead on the spot."

That would be SO excellent.

Give me that sign God, please!

Blogger Shimshon July 10, 2017 11:00 AM  

The New York Times will soon be Sarah Palin's blog. Right back atcha!

Blogger Cail Corishev July 10, 2017 11:07 AM  

It's kind of amazing how much the Left (still) hates Sarah Palin. It goes far, far beyond what her political career deserves. She was a "Look, we have women too!" choice to run with Designated Loser John McCain a million years ago. As far as I've ever seen, her political positions are as conventional neocon Republican as they come.

And yet she's probably second only to Donald Trump in the level of vitriol you see when leftists talk about her. Which is purely about who and what she is and how that challenges their assumptions, not about her politics.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 10, 2017 11:25 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:It's kind of amazing how much the Left (still) hates Sarah Palin.


She's very K-selected. They hate that. They would hate a more purely trad wife woman like Wife with a Purpose even more so. And she's also a former lefty, making her a traitor to the righteous cause.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 10, 2017 11:26 AM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:And she's also a former lefty, making her a traitor to the righteous cause.

Referring to WWAP, not Palin.

Anonymous roo_ster July 10, 2017 11:30 AM  

Alt-Right Taxonomy

I am trying to recall or classify the current strains of alt-rightism so I can better follow the conversations.

====================

Three primary Alt-Right Labels in the USA, moving from left to right:

Alt-Lite
Alt-Right with bumper pads. A fuzzier Alt-Right that is not human biodiversity conversant. Not as bad as the "Democrats are the real racists" sorts in cuckery. Usually. Some, but not all, shoot right.


Alt-West (Alt-Right?)
Alt-Lite without the training wheels. Western Civ advocates and HBD-aware & conversant. Focus on the American nation and its posterity. Is this the Alt-Right center of mass and nowadays the default for the label "Alt-Right?"


Alt-White
Alt-West, but exclusive to whites, which essentially boils down the Christendom before it fell / was defenestrated.

==================

Other Alt-Right strains in the USA.

These do not fit neatly into "right (lite), righter (west/right), rightest (white)" paradigm.

Alt-Retard
Subset of Alt-White for Nazi LARPers. Explicit national socialist objectives. The socialism and the fixation on a philosophy (that left Germany in ruins and failed) places it outside the usual left-to-right paradigm.

Dissident Right
Super set of right movements outside Conservatism, Inc. Includes all the Alt-Rights, Paleo-conservatives, and some others that do not fit inside the Alt-Right tent.

====================

Alt-Rightism in Europe.

No single Alt-Right movement, but several movements restricted to separate European nations that are friendly to one another but particularist. Thus, applying an Alt-White filter/label on them is incorrect or unhelpful. Yes, they are all white, but there is no white identity, only the identity of the particular nation (Poles, Germans, Finns, etc.).

====================

I think the blurriest bit is where Alt-West and Alt-White slide up against one another, as many Alt-Westies make a big deal about posterity and what constitutes the American Nation. Or, could be I misplaced Alt-West and Alt-White, being that Alt-White is a bit more open to all whites, whereas Alt-West is a bit more exclusive. Thus, Alt-West is to the right of Alt-White regarding terms of membership.

Any clarification would be appreciated.

Blogger RobertT July 10, 2017 11:30 AM  

Let's hope.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 10, 2017 11:32 AM  

@35 Cail Corishev

She committed a great sin: being Female and not a Leftist. But the deeper issue is one more subtle: she passed into abomination because she didn't murder her Down Syndrome child. It was pure action that reflected a light deep into the soul of the Feminists and they've burned to destroy her at every moment since she hit the national scene.

Also, she could pull better Men than they could. Feminism is driven by Women wanting access to better Men, the ideological & theological dimensions matter little.

Anonymous Bz July 10, 2017 11:34 AM  

From what I recall, Sarah Palin at least had some charisma. (I have no opinion on her actual politics.) When she joined up, the Republican voters seemed to wake up and pay attention and there was a bit of electricity in the air for the first time. No wonder the media did all they could to destroy her.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 10, 2017 11:38 AM  

@41 Bz

Kemp Issue. She was more interesting than the top of the ticket. It was John McCain at the top. I'm glad I couldn't vote in that election.

Anonymous Precious July 10, 2017 11:39 AM  

@41 You are right Bz. When John McCain won the nomination, no one in the Republican party was enthused other than neocons. He had to pick Palin just to get a decent number of people to volunteer their time across the country for the general election.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion July 10, 2017 11:40 AM  

I think that CNN borrowed Mann's surface temperature adjustment algorithms in order to correct their coverage of Trump.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 10, 2017 11:40 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:As far as I've ever seen, her political positions are as conventional neocon Republican as they come.

Pretty much. She strikes me as a small town GOP machine politician who got way out of her depth and managed to carry it off. She's probably neocon because that's what you do if you're a GOP machine politician, not because she's thought it out and believes in it/profits from it.

She does seem to be a genuinely decent person, and I've heard the same thing about her husband. She is definitely pro-life. Her baby Trig was cute, and seemed like a happy little fellow.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion July 10, 2017 11:41 AM  

Arrggh, I mean NYT, just finished watching a CNN meme compilation.

Anonymous RecoveringBeta July 10, 2017 11:49 AM  

Each one of those predictions was an honest mistake

Anonymous Norris Belcher July 10, 2017 11:51 AM  

Her daughter is very promiscuous

She has a past of sleeping around (Glen Rice)

Her son is a rapist

This is all while claiming the moral high ground

It isn't hard why progressives are disgusted with her

Blogger pyrrhus July 10, 2017 11:51 AM  

Pretty much a surrender by the NYT's attorney. Now for the settlement....."honest mistake"doesn't work in tort law. Imagine the auto crash case--"it was an honest mistake when I rear-ended the plaintiff!"

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 10, 2017 12:09 PM  

The left loves raping, promiscuity, and claiming the moral high ground when the Clintons do it.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 10, 2017 12:10 PM  

Maybe Sarah Palin just needs to larp as a Southern black woman and the left will love her? At this point it couldn't hurt.

Blogger Wanda Sherratt July 10, 2017 12:15 PM  

Crew @25 - Great comments on that one! "Man-Made Global Warming has made the wind too powerful. He also grabbed that Marine by the pussy. Russia made him do it."

Blogger Happy LP9 July 10, 2017 12:19 PM  

That was an unstable person whom did that, he pulled the trigger, he was not motivated by Palin, "this is a nothing burger."

Carol never said sorry for her laughing at Palin's daughter

ISISCNNisKill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOJTLjkQGJw

No one called out Farred Z saying Bullsh-- with Don Lemon on live news last month, no one decried Madonna, Snoop and Griffin for their heresy and their incitement of violence.


OT: to further promote infogalactic could the Castalia House newsletter to market books, hopefully include a t-shirt and maybe some headlines from InfoG to promote that too?

Anonymous JAG July 10, 2017 12:20 PM  

Norris Belcher wrote:Her daughter is very promiscuous

She has a past of sleeping around (Glen Rice)

Her son is a rapist

This is all while claiming the moral high ground

It isn't hard why progressives are disgusted with her


Bill Clinton is a rapist that is worshiped like a hero by Democrats. It is as if Democrats rape vicariously through Bill Clinton. Why do Democrats like to rape women?

Blogger Happy LP9 July 10, 2017 12:21 PM  

Did Banks make a little blunder here too, Banks was never called out on this depraved talk; http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3525121/Azealia-Banks-lashes-Sarah-Palin-saying-biggest-burliest-blackest-men-gang-rape-post-online.html

Anonymous Anchorman July 10, 2017 12:22 PM  

It wasn't just keeping her Down Syndrome son, it was rejoicing at the decision and telling those who could hear that it was a good thing that improved the family's life.

That was unforgiveable. Ever know a family with a Down Syndrome child? I know one really well and there's no lie in them when they say their life is improved by his presence.

I have little time for Mrs. Palin, but I recognize a battle line when I see it.

If they hated her for her neo-con or crypto-feminist ways, I doubt I'd be interested.

However, they hate her most for being a non-Leftist woman who doesn't support their high holy sacrament - abortion.

That's enough for me to punch back.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 10, 2017 12:33 PM  

Palin's legal team has to prove actual malice, the Sullivan precedent from the 1960's. The Carlos Slim blog won't want the case to go to discovery stage for that reason; journo-lists are pretty stupid now and a "f-her" email probably still exists. They'll hold out then decide to settle for some of Carlos and Pinch Sulzberger's money. But they have to look tough in the mean time to try to make Palin give up.


Anonymous Looking Glass July 10, 2017 12:38 PM  

@56 Anchorman

Palin pulled off the "honest, go-getter" charm that a lot of Middle America appreciates. That was pretty easy to understand. At this point, she was a pretty convential GOP member, but she also wasn't the normal GOPe class. She never did the D.C. thing and had a solid streak of indepedence from the Party. (She also ended up pointing at the angle that Trump would take of running as a relatable outsider.)

But, to the Left, it doesn't matter. Palin committed the ultimate Sin; a truly unpardonable offense. You could almost see the souls of the Feminists screaming out when dealing with Palin. She was a mirror that shone their own dead souls back at them. That's why they attack her at any opportunity.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 10, 2017 12:42 PM  

@57 A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents

They'll settle, eventually, but I don't think it's the emails about Palin that they want to avoid hitting discovery. We'd get full access to all of their internal communication from that time period. That is probably a bigger worry for the NYT than this case. Or, at least, it should be, as Palin would have been discussed with Trump.

Anonymous RCFlyer July 10, 2017 12:48 PM  

I think another reason the left hated her with such a blinding passion was that she was the rare Republican politician who dared to mock Obama on the national stage.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 10, 2017 12:51 PM  

@60 RCFlyer

Another good point. She actually wanted to win. McCain just didn't want to be called a racist.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 10, 2017 1:10 PM  

You are right Bz. When John McCain won the nomination, no one in the Republican party was enthused other than neocons. He had to pick Palin just to get a decent number of people to volunteer their time across the country for the general election.

No.

That wasn't it.

The Democrats had turfed Hillary in favor of Obama. There was a shit ton of pissed off Geritol Feminists as a result.

McCain and his team were under the laughable impression that if they put a woman in the VP slot they would attract some of these disaffected feminists.

Which shows you exactly how incompetent the man was as a national politician.

Blogger Sam July 10, 2017 1:10 PM  

@38
I see 3 primary strains
-omninationalist
-supremacist
-doesn't hold the nation question as the most important

First includes Vox and Spencer, second includes the AltReich and manosphere, third includes the AltLite and Nrx.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 10, 2017 1:20 PM  

@59 Looking Glass
They'll settle, eventually, but I don't think it's the emails about Palin that they want to avoid hitting discovery. We'd get full access to all of their internal communication from that time period.

Duh.What form would those internal communications take? Handwritten with a quill pen, sticky notes, message in a bottle in the East river, or email?

That is probably a bigger worry for the NYT than this case. Or, at least, it should be, as Palin would have been discussed with Trump.

In other words, just as I said. The Carlos Slim blog can't go to discovery. They have to hold out as long as they can, then hand of a bunch of money to Palin. Because discovery would open up a shipping container of bad news.

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 10, 2017 1:23 PM  

Palin attracted the proto-Trump voter.

The problem was that she allowed herself to be muzzled by DeepState GOP... What we used to call Establishment Republicans.

They felt uncomfortable with the populism she represented and rightfully so since it would eventually mean their downfall.

Her interviews WERE a disaster. She had clearly been ordered to stay on her best behavior with the press.

Consequently the press ran rings around her because her own side had insisted on tying her down.

But it should be remembered McCain destroyed himself. He insisted on "suspending his campaign" during the economic meltdown, so he could fly to Washington and be photographed sitting next to Bush wearing his concerned face.

This was disastrous. Bush was getting the blame for this event (rightfully so) and McCain decided to join in and take his fair share of credit for it.

In public.

Where people could see him and everything.

of course he lost.

Anonymous Fran July 10, 2017 1:34 PM  

@65
It is my belief that McCain never was serious about winning the presidency. He proved to be such a huge pussy. I never thought there could be a bigger pussy than him until Romney came along and even let Candy whatsherface beat him up.

Anonymous Icicle July 10, 2017 1:42 PM  

Her interviews WERE a disaster. She had clearly been ordered to stay on her best behavior with the press.

I heard people saying don't talk to the media. But the media is our friend. They helped Palin get her story out.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 10, 2017 1:50 PM  

@65
Palin attracted the proto-Trump voter.

Exactly, and that's why the leftards must hate, hate, hate her. Because too many normal, working, white people like her. It's obvious when you stop and think about it. Palin is pretty much a nobody except for the 08 VP run. But the jihad against her never stops. Contrast that with how the leftards treat Mittens and Ryan and McCain, etc. All lost a national election. But only Palin gets the leftards raging.

One more time, the Carlos Slim blog can not, not, not afford to let this suit go to discovery. There's bound to be way too much nasty hiding in their own archives that would not just sink them in this civil suit but reveal how they run smear campaigns.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 10, 2017 1:50 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Because discovery would open up a shipping container of bad news.

More like Fake News. Looking at what goes to print, can you imagine how fanciful the stuff they aren't printing is?

Blogger DonReynolds July 10, 2017 1:50 PM  

The media, most especially the NYTimes, had done hit pieces on Palin since 2008, so it comes to no surprise that they finally crossed the line on Libel, which is pretty difficult to do when it comes to politicians. "In the public eye" gives wide latitude to all sorts of deliberate innuendo and mudsling. But hey, don't be too surprised if Judge Jed Rake-off makes like easy for the NYTimes.

Reminds me of the Bernie Madoff case, where so many people were shocked when they found out that Bernie Made-Off with the investment funds.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 10, 2017 2:02 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Palin attracted the proto-Trump voter.

I voted for Palin despite her running mate.

Cataline Sergius wrote:He insisted on "suspending his campaign" during the economic meltdown, so he could fly to Washington and be photographed sitting next to Bush wearing his concerned face.

Didn't he stand up with 0bammy to push for the TARP bill?

Bz wrote:When she joined up, the Republican voters seemed to wake up and pay attention and there was a bit of electricity in the air for the first time.

McStain had already made it clear that he hated America and hated Americans. When he offered to put Palin on track to be president, we saw a chance to get an actual American into the White House, for the first time in decades. We voted for Palin in spite of McStain.

Blogger kurt9 July 10, 2017 2:14 PM  

So the NYT is merely negligent. Is that it?

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 10, 2017 2:16 PM  

Carlos Slim no habla Ingles.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 10, 2017 2:37 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:Carlos Slim no habla Ingles.
No! Carlos habla Ingles. El no habla Gringo, Gabacho!

Anonymous Icicle July 10, 2017 3:09 PM  

The best part is Carlos Slim is actually Lebanese.

Make Mexico great again!

Anonymous Random #57 July 10, 2017 3:11 PM  

"Her interviews WERE a disaster. She had clearly been ordered to stay on her best behavior with the press."

"I heard people saying don't talk to the media. But the media is our friend. They helped Palin get her story out."

It's easy to make anyone look like a disaster when you can edit their words, for example, ask her a question and have the reply be to another question. The first interview went like that, with them successively editing each showing of it till the third had that gem, they can be that brazen and still get away with it even in a closely watched presidential campaign.

Don't talk to the media.

Blogger Lovekraft July 10, 2017 3:22 PM  

First Comey lets Hillary off the hook.

Now this.

Blogger Lovekraft July 10, 2017 3:32 PM  

basement home brewer brought up the term 'weaponized discovery' but I'm not sure how this would play out. There is disclosure with strict conditions not to spread to the public, as far as I know. So how is this any different from what lawyers currently do?

Blogger James Dixon July 10, 2017 3:32 PM  

> And yet she's probably second only to Donald Trump in the level of vitriol you see when leftists talk about her.

On a purely personal level I think they hate her even more than Trump, but Trump is more immediate threat.

Anonymous Icicle July 10, 2017 3:34 PM  

There is disclosure with strict conditions not to spread to the public,

lol

Anonymous Rather, Not July 10, 2017 3:45 PM  

'strict conditions'

Maybe there would be an 'honest mistake' when they print it all out, and leave it by the dumpster and anonymous grabs it, gives it to wikileaks, and publishes it all on the internet. All accidentally like. Just another honest mistake, so to speak.

We don't even know whose thumb drive got left in the back of that cab with everything on it. Twice. Except the Russians did it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 10, 2017 4:31 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:There is disclosure with strict conditions not to spread to the public, as far as I know. So how is this any different from what lawyers currently do?
They would have to file under seal, and there are pretty strict conditions on what qualifies; third party private information, trade secrets, etc.
You don't normally get to seal the evidence because "it would greatly embarrass my company."

Blogger tublecane July 10, 2017 6:06 PM  

@35-Palin Derangement Syndrome was surprisingly strong, but not mysterious. It derives from the same source as Trump Derangement Syndrome, i.e. fear of populism. (Or fear of White Populism/Nazism, which is how leftists think of it.) Trump is the greater threat, despite the fact that he's been for decades more comfortably ensconced in their world, for various reasons into which I don't need to go. Suffice to say he's a better politician and populism has arrived, or is arriving. But Palin was plenty scary enough.

She represented a cluster of positions they hate, is one thing. That included oil, guns, and war (remember when that mattered to the left?). Sex above all, what with her being female and not aborting her defection fetus. The other side owns women and their fetuses, thank you very much. But that wasn't much. More importantly, she injected interest into a moribund campaign. No one cared about McCain.

That can't explain it, either, because though he represented immeasurably less propaganda c value, McCain was an establishment candidate, too. He probably would've been a better president for the ruling class. At least we may have had amnesty and more war. Also, vice presidents don't matter.

Still, Palin was a symbol of something dangerous, and just plain icky. The biggest fear of the ruling class, perhaps, is that democracy will once again matter and somehow Public Opinion will get away from them. That's why popular or potentially popular figures outside their control scare them. McCarthy is the supreme example, which is why he remains the Satan of American politics. That's the last time, the only time, a populist movement got close to power in the Post-War Era of Good Feelings. And that wasn't even a case of outsiderism,really, because McCarthy was being used by insiders, I think, like J. Edgar Hoover to wage insider wars.

Anyway, their have been many populist villains since, like Wallace and Perot, of varying success. If I had to guess why Palin drove them especially nuts, I'd say it has something to do with their hatred of beauty. She wasn't a great beauty, but very fetching for a politician. That gets to them. That goes along with the female angle and the sex angle mentioned above. Those are sore spots.

Finally, I think they were especially sensitive about their Golden Boy, the One. See also the MSM's if possible more emotional and definitely more ridiculous and hilarious response to Joe the Plumber. They didn't want anyone stealing Obama's thunder, and apparently thought any little noise would drown him out. They were relatively safe on that account, turns out, because people were oddly uninterested in Obama as a person, preferring him instead as a symbol of the New Era of Racial Harmony that never came.

Anonymous Precious July 10, 2017 6:18 PM  

@62 McCain and his team were under the laughable impression that if they put a woman in the VP slot they would attract some of these disaffected feminists.

As true as that is, someone on his staff knew they needed to energize their base and she also brought that to the table far more than McCain himself could.

Blogger tublecane July 10, 2017 6:22 PM  

@79-I agree, and that's not even taking into account the fact that Trump has been in or near liberal power circles for a long time, is on most issues either a centrist or conventional conservative (not on trade, immigration, or empire, which admittedly probably matter most right now), and doesn't trigger them as much in the areas of sex (no one takes the pussy hats seriously) or religion.

Palin they would hate more if the two were of equal political/media ability, if Palin were less neoconnish, and if she had rode into town on the current wave of populism--not to mention the looming darkness of alt-rightism--as Trump has. That's because she's a woman and good looking. That's kills them.

Anonymous Icicle July 10, 2017 6:53 PM  

It's easy to make anyone look like a disaster when you can edit their words, for example, ask her a question and have the reply be to another question. The first interview went like that, with them successively editing each showing of it till the third had that gem, they can be that brazen and still get away with it even in a closely watched presidential campaign.

Don't talk to the media.


But what if Palin recorded the interview as well? That would help if the media did anything like that, right?

Anonymous Random #57 July 10, 2017 8:33 PM  

@86 Icicle, did you miss how the first network her showed two less edited versions of the the interview for the entirety of the nation to see?

Making your own recording has never, EVER worked for anyone the media targets. As VD noted, it's an ultimate Gamma thing, this video, that very few people will ever see, shows I really won.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 10, 2017 9:03 PM  

It's easy to make anyone look like a disaster when you can edit their words, for example, ask her a question and have the reply be to another question. The first interview went like that, with them successively editing each showing of it till the third had that gem, they can be that brazen and still get away with it even in a closely watched presidential campaign.

I was having a conversation with someone in a Poly Sci class during the course of that election. He assured me Palin said "I can see Russia from my house." And would refuse to believe it was an SNL skit, even after I showed him the clip.

Anonymous Marvin Boggs July 10, 2017 9:05 PM  

@26: I made an honest mistake reading the link you posted as www.latrines.com.

I wonder why I made that mistake?

Anonymous Donald Trump July 10, 2017 10:49 PM  

Those comedy shows look a lot like free political advertising to me! And they all lean pro-Democrat. Maybe we should take a closer look at the Hollywood tax breaks! Absolutely unfair!

Blogger Were-Puppy July 10, 2017 11:27 PM  

@38 roo_ster
Alt-Retard
Subset of Alt-White for Nazi LARPers. Explicit national socialist objectives. The socialism and the fixation on a philosophy (that left Germany in ruins and failed) places it outside the usual left-to-right paradigm.
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Sounds like a case for alt-left

Blogger Were-Puppy July 10, 2017 11:35 PM  

Maybe this will deliver a Gawker hammer blow to the NYT and hasten their demise

Anonymous Icicle July 11, 2017 3:28 PM  

Icicle, did you miss how the first network her showed two less edited versions of the the interview for the entirety of the nation to see?

But Palin is special. It should have worked for her, right?

Blogger Buybuydandavis July 13, 2017 12:14 AM  

VD: And when you're chiefly known for #FakeNews and hit pieces, it probably doesn't bode well for your chances of selling the innocent mistake narrative.

Only relevant if a Dem did not appoint the judge.

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