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Sunday, July 23, 2017

Diasporans, cucks, and free speech

This is a bit disjointed, but that is an unavoidable consequence of the second article's lurching from one topic to another. First, demographics has its consequences: the inevitable divide between increasingly religious right-wing Israelis and increasingly secular left-wing Diasporans in the US is growing, if Haaretz is to be believed.
The basis for Netanyahu’s diplomatic activism is his assessment that America is growing weaker and gradually withdrawing from the Middle East. The visit to Haifa Port by the aircraft carrier George H. W. Bush, the first such visit since the beginning of the second intifada, doesn’t change the overall trend.

Oil is cheaper, and America no longer depends on the Middle East for its supply. Public opinion is isolationist, opposed to wars far from home. America’s internal rifts are deep and getting wider, and Netanyahu has taken the conservative side without even a pretense of bipartisanism. Perhaps bipartisan support is no longer even possible when Americans are so divided over everything. It’s better to have the Republicans’ support, since their control of Congress seems unassailable.

Netanyahu sees the Christian community as Israel’s most important bastion of support in America, alongside Orthodox Jews. His recent decisions against the Reform and Conservative movements – canceling the Western Wall deal and advancing the conversion bill – reflect a strategic disengagement from liberal American Jews.

This wasn’t a caprice caused by momentary pressure from Israel’s ultra-Orthodox parties, but a calculated decision that won almost wall-to-wall support in the cabinet. Netanyahu’s circle sees liberal Jewry as a transient phenomenon that will disappear on its own in another generation due to intermarriage and disinterest in Jewish tradition or Israel.

For years, liberal Jews have threatened to break with Israel if it continues discriminating against their denominations, and some have also vocally opposed the unending occupation of the territories. They didn’t expect a right-wing Israeli government to break with them first.
Whether the divide is real or not - and it probably is, many liberal Diasporans hate Netanyahu as much as they hate Trump - Netanyahu would be well-advised to rein in AIPAC and encourage the Israel Firsters in the U.S. Senate and Congress to abandon the proposed anti-American law S. 720, presently co-sponsored by 43 U.S. Senators of both parties, and supported by 234 Representatives. It is a tone-deaf action that is absolutely guaranteed to backfire on Israel... unless Netanyahu is playing a deep game and intends to make life in the USA less comfortable for the diaspora.

Amazingly, even the pro-Israel cucks at National Review understand that the proposed law is a terrible idea, and to their credit, have come out against it. Of course, they couldn't help but try to take the opportunity to tangent into taking shots at the pro-free speech Alt-Lite in the meantime.
Sometimes in the course of our political life, someone proposes something so mind-bogglingly stupid that it’s hard to know exactly what to say about it. Senate Bill 720 is one of those things. Over the past few years, a small but prominent movement has cropped up, using the age-old tactic of boycott to protest what it sees as Israel’s unjust occupation of territories that are assumed to belong rightfully to the Palestinians. Called “BDS” (boycott, divest, sanction) after the strategy it employs against the state of Israel and goods produced therein, it has acquired a certain notoriety on college campuses, not least for its uncomfortable associations with veritable anti-Semites.

Israel’s supporters in the Senate, justifiably seeing this as a problem, have come up with an innovative solution: Make participation in BDS or other boycotts of Israel a felony, punishable by enormous fines and up to two decades in prison. The Israel Anti-Boycott Act enjoys remarkable bipartisan support: It’s not often you can get Ted Cruz and Ben Sasse to sign onto a measure alongside Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand. Its proponents number 43 in the Senate and 234 in the House....

And, yes, when it comes to Mike Cernovich and Milo Yiannopoulos or Tomi Lahren, that’s more or less correct; they really are distasteful hypocrites who care not one bit about free speech and who use the principle instead to advance their particular cause. They are of the new breed of conservatism that views its primary goal as melting special snowflakes and doesn’t give much of a damn about anything beyond that. But we knew that already; we’ve always known they’re unprincipled actors seeking only to aggrandize themselves.

Their silence on Lisa Durden tells us nothing new or interesting about their character. Their place in the intellectual debate over free speech is marginal in any case, and what really matters is not what they think but what the more rational, principled minds of the Right and center say.
I tend to suspect their "silence on Lisa Durden" is because a) what is an Essex College? and b) who is Tyler Lisa Durden? There are massive violations of free speech every single day; most of us are far more concerned about Patreon shutting down Lauren Southern and Brittany Pettibone for their defense of Europe than we are about some employee of a minor college that no one has ever heard of being held accountable by her employer. Why aren't these more rational, principled minds of the right and center speaking out against Patreon? I guess they must be distasteful hypocrites who care not one bit about free speech....

And it is downright bizarre to see National Review - NATIONAL REVIEW - questioning the principles of others who actually fight the Left when their only observed principles involve a) gracefully going down to noble defeat and b) not overly upsetting the editorial page of the New York Times. But to return to the point, if you've lost the cucks, you've lost everyone.

The Alt-Right is inevitable, even in Israel, as it is in every nation that wishes to survive the 21st century.

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87 Comments:

Blogger Gloriam Deo July 23, 2017 8:11 AM  

i suspect national review might yet turn. once they older crowd die off, the magizine will have to both replace its authors and its readers. to do so, an alt right or alt lite (maybe even alt reich, hahahaah) message would need to be brought in.

i doubt it would ever be a truly stronger nationalist zine, but it might yet stop being the cucker's jerkoff rag

Blogger VD July 23, 2017 8:17 AM  

It depends on whether NR ends up siding with the Israeli nationalists or the Diasporan globalists. Not only is the basic Left-Right dynamic changing, but so too is the traditional Jew-Gentile dynamic. This is because the Diasporans are increasingly posing a threat to Israel, which is increasingly less interested in being told what to do by external supporters seeking to influence it.

Jews are no more monolithic than any other nation. Don't forget that the Talmudites almost entirely wiped out the Karaites the last time there was an intra-Jewish split of this magnitude.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 23, 2017 8:26 AM  

Of the three empires it is correct to say the American one is declining, and the deep state is peddle to the metal in that decline. I would assume between China and Soros and their paid actors in this country that YugoAmerica is within our lifetimes (Boomertard here).

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 8:38 AM  

I hope this leads to healthy nationalism for all and the Diasporans realize they are going to have to pick a team instead of remaining in identity superposition.

Anonymous Homesteader July 23, 2017 8:43 AM  

What's funny is, NR was the very first "conservative" publication I read, back around '95 or so. I was in my 20s, a Reagan kid, with strong Right-wing feelings, but no coherent ability to articulate those feelings. Stumbling onto NR, I began the intellectual march that leads here.

NR-Derbyshire, Steyn. (Later found Coulter and Sobran, the earlier victims) Derb betrayed for "The Talk" article ( Et tu, Lowry?) Derb moves to Takimag. Takimag- like NR on acid;Taki leads to Heartiste, then on to Rollo, Vox, and the rest of the Alt-Right, and the creation of a Gen-X Shitlord, now raising 4 Gen-Zyklon kids.

Just think- how many people get to thank Rich Lowry for helping make them who they are today?

Anonymous Homesteader July 23, 2017 8:51 AM  

Abd as far as this disaster of a bill goes, the old line about "never stop your enemy when he's making a mistake" comes to mind.

Sadly, (((they))) always overplay their hand, even in the most philo-semitic of nations.The Learned Elders of Wye were wise to begin planning their next Diaspora.

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 8:52 AM  

More or less describes my journey except I was unaware of the NR Derbyshire split and got there via Mark Steyn. Once you take the red pill it really does change everything. I was more neocon until it became clear what on earth neocon was and the madness inherent in that stance. But finding VD's website was like finding an oasis of logic and sanity in a wilderness of ideological incoherency and desolation.

Anonymous Homesteader July 23, 2017 8:52 AM  

And

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 23, 2017 8:53 AM  

You want to stop this bill? Crow about jailing leftists that support the various anti-Izzy movements.

This is our fascist moment bros and it is fun. Dare I say make Israel useful for once.

But then again I have a measure of cruelty to me, YMMV.

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 8:57 AM  

They do not need to be a Diaspora. They just need to go home. Once they are home they can let go of a lot of their double minded instability and can focus on preserving their nation as a nation-state and not as a Diaspora whose ultimate aims are deleterious to the host nations in whose midst they reside currently.

Anonymous Homesteader July 23, 2017 8:57 AM  

Yes, I'm a Gulf War vet- "muh Hussein!!'
It takes a while; but once red-pilled, EVERYTHING looks different.

Blogger Mr. Excitement July 23, 2017 8:58 AM  

I remember Vox's periscope a few months ago when he said that Step #1 in the Alt Right movement will be to Purge the Cucks.

Can't say I disagree a bit.

Blogger Mr. Excitement July 23, 2017 9:04 AM  

@9

"Just think- how many people get to thank Rich Lowry for helping make them who they are today?"

For me, it was George W. Bush.

Somewhere in the first Obama term, I slowly began to realize that the 'Conservative' movement either totally sucks or doesn't exist.

I realized that after 8 years of Bush, we gained nothing. This Obama guy is getting everything he wants on the Leftist checklist, with very little effort om his part and very little resistance from the "Conservatives."


That was the start of my red pill journey.

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 9:07 AM  

The Cucks really do have to go. They have to decide on which side they fight instead of pretending to be in the trenches with the Alt-Right only to shoot at their right flank when ever there is incoming fire from the Left. But unlike the days of Bill Buckley this time it will be the NR types who go into the wilderness. History and experience have proved them wrong about virtually everything while the John Birchers and fellow travelers come off looking quite perceptive.

Anonymous Homesteader July 23, 2017 9:07 AM  

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."- Voltaire

Is this bill their declaration of rulership?

Blogger tuberman July 23, 2017 9:09 AM  

This should speed up the isolation, and attacking of all USA Jews by the Left, including the Marxist Jews. They are being replaced.

Popcorn time!

Blogger Patrick Wilson July 23, 2017 9:10 AM  

Seems jews at large and some israelis are bent on alienating even those ok with their existence, these types of actions have the impact of increasing anti jewish actions.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 23, 2017 9:12 AM  

Going down to noble defeat? I thought NR was for open borders at home and liberal interventionism abroad. They've been winning for decades.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise July 23, 2017 9:15 AM  

... [Cernovich, Yiannopoulos, and Lahren] are distasteful hypocrites who care not one bit about free speech and who use the principle instead to advance their particular cause.

By far the stupidest thing I have read all week.

Of course Mike, Milo, and Tomi use free speech to advance their cause. That's the whole point. National Review is doing the same with this very article.

Love the use of "distasteful." What an eye roller. Want a bow tie with that?

Blogger Shimshon July 23, 2017 9:16 AM  

@2 "Jews are no more monolithic than any other nation. Don't forget that the Talmudites almost entirely wiped out the Karaites the last time there was an intra-Jewish split of this magnitude."

That's right. So watch out. Bwahahahaha.

Actually, now I need to see what IG says on the subject. The 70 years of the Hasmonean Dynasty after Chanukah compared to the modern state makes for an interesting contrast. Hellenism was never quite vanquished, and made inroads. They had an eight year civil war in that time. We come out way ahead today in nearly every way.

Blogger tuberman July 23, 2017 9:19 AM  

14. Sherwood family

"The Cucks (NR) really do have to go. They have to decide on which side they fight instead of pretending to be in the trenches with the Alt-Right only to shoot at their right flank when ever there is incoming fire from the Left."

These cucks are gravy-train feeding full traitors, and only pretend to be on the Right with the Globalists, NeverTrumpers, and other deep establishment types. Their gravy comes from Globalist money, and they cannot exist on their own merits (no one cares, and few buy their rag), as they are just another kind of Globalist parasite.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 23, 2017 9:24 AM  

"They are of the new breed of conservatism that views its primary goal as melting special snowflakes and doesn’t give much of a damn about anything beyond that."

That line made me chuckle twice. First, they call us conservatives, because they're still hoping to get us to fall into line behind their leadership. They're trying to frame the situation as a divide within conservatism, between the respectable long-timers and a deplorable fraction of troublemakers who just need to learn some manners, rather than the twilight of liberal conservatism and the emergence of a true right wing that owes them no allegiance.

Second, the thought of the NR editors tittering over the inclusion of the word "damn." Naughty!

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 9:24 AM  

All the more reason to put the choice to them in the starkest terms possible. If they are enemies indeed then they cannot be allowed the protection afforded to friends and allies. The mask has to come off.

Better an honorable enemy than a faithless friend.

Anonymous Homesteader July 23, 2017 9:29 AM  

G.A.M.P. Govenment, Academia, Media, Pulpit. The Cathedral, as Moldbug put it. Its capture was their FIRST priority, going back to the '30's. They knew it was the key to controlling society. (Finance, too, but finance is downsteam from Academia..)

This is the reason "Conservatives" never "conserved" anything. The field of battle was fully conquered by their enemies before the battle began-the Left knew that "intellectual debate" meant nothing. First, capture the pulse points of society, by any means necessary, then rationalize as necessary from the heights of power.

i.e., The Cucks were the Debate Club, while the vile Left were the hoods who ruled the school.

We have (((The Frankfurt School))) and later (((Alinsky))) to thank for our current situation, as well as the idiotic cluelessness of "Conservative, inc."

If you wonder why the Vile Left is SO intellectually incoherent- why feminists cozy with Mohammedans- it's because of gyroscopic reasoning; that is, ALL leftists have ONE goal in mind- the absolute destruction of Christendom.
Thus the lunatic bedfellows we observe. No matter what, it's always a stright, white, male, Christian who's to blame, because that's who Christendom IS.



Anonymous Bobby Farr July 23, 2017 9:35 AM  

The NR story was written by an intern (a Yale undergrad) so I guess they are trying to create a new generation of cucks. Contrast him, with his contrived writing style, hyphenated last name and Twitter motto of "Whatever charisma is, I don't have it." with baby-faced Lauren Southern and Tom Lahren or the charismatic Milo and it is clear who will win the marketing battle.

Blogger ahazuerus July 23, 2017 9:38 AM  

What's remarkable about this bill is not how mind-bogglingly stupid it is: that's hardly notable at all in the course of human affairs.

What boggles the mind is how much support there is for it in two parliaments allegedly dedicated under sworn oaths to protect and defend the constitution of the United States, that document including the 1st Amendment.

Anonymous Shlomo Abdiel Shekelstein July 23, 2017 9:39 AM  

On to China!

Blogger exfarmkid July 23, 2017 9:40 AM  

House equivalent to S720 is HR1697

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1697?q={%22search%22%3A[%22\%22Israel+anti-boycott+act\%22%22]}&r=2

Blogger Cail Corishev July 23, 2017 9:46 AM  

"Israel’s supporters in the Senate, justifiably seeing this as a problem"

They just toss that off as a given, but is it really justifiable? I suppose any citizen can be justified in disliking a boycott that he thinks is a bad thing. But conceding even that much is tiptoeing up to a line, because in modern-day liberalism/conservatism, once you've identified an injustice -- a man who calls himself Desiree and doesn't want to use the men's restroom, for instance -- you must do something to fix it, even if it means denying reality and stomping on others' rights.

By saying it's justifiable, they excuse the unconstitutional action of these senators, even while criticizing it. It makes the overall message: "This is a bad idea, but don't hold it against them, because any decent person would want to do something to stop this." Stupid, not traitorous. It also implies that they'd support legislation with the same goal if it were less ham-fisted and overreaching, which I'm sure is true.

"It’s not often you can get Ted Cruz and Ben Sasse to sign onto a measure alongside Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand."

I'll bet that's not as unusual as they'd like us to think.

Later in the article: "This condemnation will, I would hope, suffice for those on the Left"

Conservatism in one line: always trying to convince the left that we're as good as they are. But those Alt-whatevers, they're the real bad ones, amirite guys?

Anonymous Homesteader July 23, 2017 9:47 AM  

Government, straight. Phones and thick fingers.

Blogger Dirtnapninja July 23, 2017 9:48 AM  

Secular jews in the anglosphere are already basically nothing more than Anglos for whom Jewishness is little more than a system of privilege and tribal connections they can dip into at need. In all other ways they are no different from the Chad Smiths of the world. Their vibrantly diverse 'allies' see this very clearly.

There is a slow motion coup on the left as the Jews are forced out by their ethnic janissaries who never liked them and no longer need them. American Jews are going to be forced to make a choice between being good Jews, or good leftists..a choice between power or kin. It will be interesting to see who chooses Israel, who chooses Jewishness and who chooses shekels.

Blogger John S July 23, 2017 9:50 AM  

What boggles the mind is how much support there is for it in two parliaments allegedly dedicated under sworn oaths to protect and defend the constitution of the United States, that document including the 1st Amendment

What, you never heard the old joke?

When offered the chance to become the 51st state, the Israeli government declined. Puzzled, the ambassador asked why not? The response: "Why, then we'd only have two senators..."

Blogger Jew613 July 23, 2017 9:56 AM  

Haaretz, is usually pretty worthless as anything but a propaganda rag for the enemies of the Jews but their pretty accurate about the split between leftist diasporans and Israel. For a long time the Israeli government tried to stay on good terms with the American secular diaspora but the leftist Jewish elites see any and all nationalism as evil and Israel as an embarrassment so it hasn't really worked out. Bob has decided to stop bothering with a policy that costs much and rewards little.

As for the AIPAC bill it's idiotic and Bibi is a very cautious man so I can't see him supporting a bill to make the USA more uncomfortable to Jews to encourage their Aliyah. It's just too risky a strategy as there is no way to tell how far any persecutions would go.

Blogger Jew613 July 23, 2017 9:57 AM  

Not bob, Bibi

Blogger Cail Corishev July 23, 2017 10:00 AM  

Secular jews in the anglosphere are already basically nothing more than Anglos for whom Jewishness is little more than a system of privilege and tribal connections they can dip into at need.

Yeah, we hear that a lot. We also hear that orthodox religious Jews are our natural allies against the godless secularists. Really, it's hard to see why we have a problem with either group, them being so much like us and/or on the same page. Must be anti-semitism.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass July 23, 2017 10:04 AM  

At least we have irrefutable proof of scum suckers for those who can still be persuaded by dialectic. What began my ultimate journey to where I am now was being in high school and understanding what a threat mass immigration was to our country. I found myself dumbfounded as to why Bush was pushing for amnesty of all things.

When he did the bailouts when I was a senior in undergrad I was pissed.

The Republicans holding the line under Barry fooled me for a bit; it was sometime under Barry I realized most of them were liars. After Trump won the Indiana primary (yea, you can thank me for that along with other Hoosiers), and all the neverTrumpers really took off, that's when I could start pointing it out to others that the majority were liars.

I agree with Sherwood: hopefully this results in healthy nationalism.

As you said Vox, Left-Right is dead. I still use those terms when talking with people who can't/won't get it. They couldn't even conserve the women's restroom...

Blogger tuberman July 23, 2017 10:05 AM  

31. Dirtnapninja

"Secular Jews in the anglosphere are already basically nothing more than Anglos for whom Jewishness is little more than a system of privilege and tribal connections they can dip into at need."

Secular Jews do not see things your way, as they see themselves as the "Real Jews." They even sometimes accuse Orthodox Jews and other religious Jews of being anti-Semite towards them, when they are not accusing them of being Witches. Freud was a case study in this as he constantly accused religious Jews of being anti-Semite toward him.

Blogger Charles Martel July 23, 2017 10:05 AM  

"If Haaretz is to be believed."

The divide between observant and secular Jews is limited to Talmudic interpretations, not to ANYTHING else. Both camps agree on the long-awaited goal of subjecting the hated goyim to Jewish domination. They use saps like Mike Huckabee and Lindsey Graham to light the synagogue candles for them.

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 10:07 AM  

The leftist secular Jews in the US are not clearly against nationalism, certainly not of the Israeli variety. What they are against is a resurgence of nationalism in the West because they perceive it as a threat. Israeli nationalism is only problematic to them when it creates a perception of a double standard or undermines support for the latest multicultural nonsense in the West. Pointing out Israel's big beautiful walls is a perfect example of this trend and Leftist secularist Jews in the US have not denounced Israel's walls but put themselves through a series of painful and obvious contortions to show how "that's different."

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 23, 2017 10:08 AM  

I was surprised to learn Alan Dershowitz wasn't a member of the Society of the Cincinnati. Indistinguishable from an American to me.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 23, 2017 10:13 AM  

Netenyahu has gone or will go to a meeting of the Wisegrad group this month. There is a clue in that trip. Perhaps he and Orban can discuss the finer details of proper fences.

NR cannot change as long as Chris Buckley has a significant share of the stock. Daddy Bill set it up that way. Chris voted for 0bama in 08 and apparently is friends with Jason Lee Steorts, who fired Mark Steyn. NR's relevance will continue to fade.It's not even the stopped clock now, it's the stopped clock that fell off the wall, rolled under the couch and is face down.

Blogger seeingsights July 23, 2017 10:14 AM  

The founder of National Review, William F. Buckley, I submit was, in the early part of his career as a political commentor, like the Alt-Like of today. Buckley called Gore Vidal a faggot. Buckley threatened to punch Noam Chomsky in the face.
Milo uses the word faggot, but not with a derogatory intent. Alt-Light does not threaten to punch someone in the face, but will fight back if attacked.


Blogger Charles Martel July 23, 2017 10:15 AM  

@26 ahazuerus

What's mind boggling is how, in the face of so much evidence of Jewish domination of Congress (and, therefore, of the entire govt of the US), so few people get it that Congress is under absolute Israeli-lobby control via the Washington DC blackmail system. Once that system is inserted into the equation then everything falls into place.

Blogger VD July 23, 2017 10:17 AM  

The divide between observant and secular Jews is limited to Talmudic interpretations, not to ANYTHING else.

That's simply not true. Again, I refer to you the extermination of the Karaite Jews. Many Diasporans are less ethnically Jewish than I am American Indian and have no knowledge of the Talmud whatsoever.

Blogger ZhukovG July 23, 2017 10:20 AM  

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Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 23, 2017 10:21 AM  

NR scribble
Their silence on Lisa Durden tells us nothing new or interesting about their character

Oh, yeah? Joe Sobran would like to get in a word right about now.

Blogger ZhukovG July 23, 2017 10:23 AM  

I wonder what history will call the 21st century; The Great Segregation?

At any rate, this bill is either garbage or if intended to increase gentile hatred of Jews, absolutely on point.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 23, 2017 10:26 AM  

Both camps agree on the long-awaited goal of subjecting the hated goyim to Jewish domination.

Yes. Same goal, different justifications.

But that doesn't mean we can't ally with nationalist Israelis for the cause of nationalism, just as we can ally with nationalist Japanese or others. But it should be based on a realistic understanding that we have that one goal in common, not on a fantasy about "elder brothers in Judeo-Christ" or whatever. An honest alliance for a purpose.

Blogger Charles Martel July 23, 2017 10:27 AM  

@44 VD

As a people (Ah, "The Chosen"!) they project a robotic impetus to subject God's creation to their own whim. You're right, though, in bringing in exceptions. Johannes Pfefferkorn was a notable one during the 16th century. Modern ones exist, too:

http://www.truetorahjews.org/

Anonymous bolg July 23, 2017 10:27 AM  

@1

"...once they older crowd die off, the magizine will have to both replace its authors..."

the old crew did die off. it was called joe sobran. there won't be a nr resurrection

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 10:28 AM  

It is intellectual inertia and a Cold War relic. We have to have good relations with Israel because they are the only democracy in the Middle East and if we do not how will we stop the Soviets from dominating the region through their nefarious Arab proxies? The war on terror turned that dial up to 11 with the whole "now that you have been attacked by terrorists you really have to do what we say against the evil Arab Muslims cause we have experience and know how they think" thing going on. In truth we should have carpet bombed Kabul and removed kebab. But that would have come dangerously close to the kind of nationalist sentiments that scare Israeli lobby types in the Diaspora so that had to be resisted. Instead we grope grandmas at the airport so nobody feels "discriminated" against and talk nonsense about how America is a proposition nation. Christian Zionism helps paper over any of the intellectual cracks that would otherwise start to stand out. Those poor Christian Zionist schlubs get played over and over again like the beta orbiter who knows this time the Jews will notice them and really really like them if they just do this last really important favor for them.

Blogger Charles Martel July 23, 2017 10:32 AM  

@48 Cail Corishev

"...that doesn't mean we can't ally with nationalist Israelis for the cause of nationalism."

That's the sort of idea which (((they))) would come up with. "Just give (((us))) a tiny little crack to start with and then, with jimmy bar in hand, we'll take care of the rest."

Anonymous sngwrg July 23, 2017 10:33 AM  

VD wrote:... This is because the Diasporans are increasingly posing a threat to Israel, which is increasingly less interested in being told what to do by external supporters seeking to influence it.

Jews are no more monolithic than any other nation. ...


From WL Podesta emails, #35690
N.Tanden to J.Podesta. Podesta replied: "Bad."
> Israel is depressing
> It's a good lesson that the wing nuts are just ruthless in every country.

Anonymous WillToSurvive July 23, 2017 10:34 AM  

We live under the boot of the Jewish cancer. If we are to survive, they must be defeated utterly and ejected from our lands.

Blogger Jew613 July 23, 2017 10:36 AM  

A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents, Bibi did meet them already. The most interesting part of the meeting was Netanyahu encouraging the leaders of the Visegard group to close their borders to the African/Arab "refugee" invasion.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-overheard-comments-netanyahu-lashes-eus-crazy-policy-on-israel/

Anonymous Uncle John's Band July 23, 2017 10:37 AM  

25. Bobby Farr

That weird stilted writing style is something that irritated the hell out of me about NR cuckservatism long before I knew what a cuckservative was. I always assumed that mannered Buckleyite pomposity, like bow ties, was a substitute for analytic rigor or coherent morality among the affluent social retard set. Then I realized it was a just a fig leaf for another parasitical self-serving institution. Distasteful, really. That said, it cant be easy to combine this level of shoddy thought and Olympian pretension with just the right hint of unctuousness.

Anonymous bolg July 23, 2017 10:37 AM  

@54

through the door or through the chimney. their choice

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 10:43 AM  

Yikes. I prefer a cheaper option for these kinds of problems: the buy out. Then it is voluntary and once done we can make up the cost in the savings from dismantling heaps of government social justice programs put in place by the folks you just bought out. Do the same with the Muslims and send them back enriched. Then stop issuing visas for either sort so there is no way back in. Cheap, clean, easy.

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Blogger seeingsights July 23, 2017 10:49 AM  

'i suspect national review might yet turn. once they older crowd die off, the magizine will have to both replace its authors and its readers. to do so, an alt right or alt lite (maybe even alt reich, hahahaah) message would need to be brought in. '

I don't think that NR will turn. Alt-Right publications now exists. Young Alt-Right writers will seek employment there, while NR will get the young cuck writers.

'History and experience have proved them wrong about virtually everything while the John Birchers and fellow travelers come off looking quite perceptive.'

Yesterday I was thinking, "Was the John Birch society correct all along?' The John Birch society, since the 1950s, fought efforts to undermine the nation state. That was decades before most of us here.



Anonymous Bobby Farr July 23, 2017 10:50 AM  

@56 It can be forgiven of an undergrad, although there are many his age who are already adept at utilizing new media. It becomes creepy when George Will and other elderly cucks still write this way. I don't know what ends they think are served by imitating Henry James in 2017, whether in persuading readers, developing a following or creating a marketable persona.

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 10:56 AM  

Pretty much. If you read "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" and "The Naked Communist"
You see that while the methods differed some from their predictions but the end states have almost all come to pass. It is actually eerie to see how right they were.

Anonymous johnc July 23, 2017 10:59 AM  

I've read that there are places in Europe where you can't even question particular aspects of "the Holocaust" without suffering fines or imprisonment. The European peoples don't even have the freedom to speak and debate in their own homelands.

Blogger seeingsights July 23, 2017 11:02 AM  

'A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents, Bibi did meet them already. The most interesting part of the meeting was Netanyahu encouraging the leaders of the Visegard group to close their borders to the African/Arab "refugee" invasion.'

A case can be made that nationalists can learn a thing or two from the State of Israel. Israel has a security wall. Israel has also pursued demographic policies which just so happened to benefit the Right side of their political spectrum: (1) acceptance of Jews from formerly Communist countries (2) Orthodox Jews have larger families than average.

Looking at the history of Israeli Prime Ministers from Yitzak Rabin to now, a Labor PM was in power about 5 years, while a Likud PM was in power for about 19 years. I submit that demographics played a role in that.

Blogger VD July 23, 2017 11:09 AM  

Just give (((us))) a tiny little crack to start with and then, with jimmy bar in hand, we'll take care of the rest."

As long as it involves dismantling the globalist infrastructure around the world, I'm happy to have their help. Globalism isn't good for anyone, red or yellow, black or white.

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 11:11 AM  

Nationalist have lots to learn from the State of Israel about managing domestic policies to benefit one's nation. We just do not like their foreign policy which uses the Diaspora in the US to get us to manage their neighbors for them. Why the operate the way they do is completely logical and understandable. But there is no benefit to us from our operating that way.

Anonymous Uncle John's Band July 23, 2017 11:13 AM  

@61
Agree. For the older set, I suspect when your ideas are bankrupt, form, however self-parodic, is all you have left. Why undergrads would want to emulate senior cucks is baffling though. Is there a particular mix of youthful idealism and gamma personality that leads a young person to react against leftism in this odd and ineffectual way? Judging from the article, he has put time and effort into honing his stilted writing skills, which, in 2017, seems like fighting for one of the last tickets on the Titanic.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 23, 2017 11:24 AM  

That's the sort of idea which (((they))) would come up with.

I know what you mean, and why it wouldn't last. But I think it can be effective rhetoric. Too many Christians are still mired in the Judeo-Christ mindset. It's hard enough to get them to believe some Jews are bad, and that mostly works if you claim they're not really Jews, as is often said about the ones in Hollywood. If you tell them Jews are the enemy of Christendom and Western Civilization, they're going to classify you as LiterallyHitler and stop listening before you finish the first sentence. If you tell them it's not about Jews at all, but about nationalism for all, they might listen. It's not a lie, because it *is* about nationalism for us.

Sometimes you extend an olive branch, not because you expect it to be accepted -- even if you know it won't be -- but so that when it's rejected, you can proceed with a clear conscience. If we offer a no-strings alliance with nationalists in Somewhereistan, limited to rhetorical support of each other's struggle, and they try to turn it into something more than that, something parasitical, then we can say we tried and proceed accordingly.

The scorpion can't not sting the frog. But at this point, it's kinda on the frog to stop letting the scorpion climb aboard. If the frog offers to share a ferry, and the scorpion keeps sidling over and trying to sting him during the ride, well....

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 23, 2017 11:27 AM  

@28  Thanks for that.

My newly-minted carpetbagger rep is a co-sponsor.  This doesn't surprise me, as he mouthed "nation of immigrants" crap at the local rally I went to.  Bought and paid for, like the last one.

Blogger Aeoli Pera July 23, 2017 11:27 AM  

Richard Dawkins Deplatformed in Berkeley

What a closed-minded reactionary! Free speech not hate!

Blogger James Dixon July 23, 2017 11:53 AM  

> I realized that after 8 years of Bush, we gained nothing.

You consider Medicare part D, no child left behind, the Dept. of Homeland Security, and never ending wars nothing? I'd say he was extremely successful at preparing the ground for Obama.

Blogger Sheila4g July 23, 2017 11:58 AM  

@31 Dirtnapninja: "There is a slow motion coup on the left as the Jews are forced out by their ethnic janissaries who never liked them and no longer need them. American Jews are going to be forced to make a choice between being good Jews, or good leftists..a choice between power or kin. It will be interesting to see who chooses Israel, who chooses Jewishness and who chooses shekels."

The sole reason to be concerned by this is to avoid offering any refuge to those who neither deny the left nor their kin, but merely claim the right of refuge as "victims." The cucks were all over that professor at Evergreen College (Weinstein) who was attacked by Negroes for not meekly accepting banishment as "White." He doesn't identify with White in the least, and in his mind there is no conflict between his Jewish ethnic identity and his leftist politics. The "discrimination" he's suffered has not made him abandon either - he's just acquired a new group of cucky and Christian Zionist defenders. Another example of Anonymous Conservative's r/K incredibly predictive pattern - Weinstein's amygdala may have been triggered by this, but nothing would make him turn on either group and genuinely turn him right (in the sense of anti-globalist and/or pro-White right). He'll merely square the circle in his own mind and continue to hold to his r strategy while co-opting some as demonstrated by Jewish-Chinese anti-White alliances in the US, and using the cucks as cover. He'll happily let them take hits and provide covering fire for him as he continues to agitate for their ultimate dispossession. There's a pattern here for those who would see it - as Cail Corishev typically perceptively noted:

"Yeah, we hear that a lot. We also hear that orthodox religious Jews are our natural allies against the godless secularists. Really, it's hard to see why we have a problem with either group, them being so much like us and/or on the same page. Must be anti-semitism."

Anonymous BBGKB July 23, 2017 12:30 PM  

I guess it doesn't help that when they visit DC + NYC all they see are godless, bacon eating, cocksucking jews, then see that they are worshiping Harry Potter in a DC Jewish temple.

OMG went to look up the DC jew temple thing and came across https://www.eventbrite.com/d/dc--washington/harry-potter/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/07/19/harry-potter-and-the-sacred-text-podcast-draws-non-believers-who-find-meaning-in-magical-fiction/?utm_term=.9cd92389c864

Whether the divide is real or not - and it probably is, many liberal Diasporans hate Netanyahu as much as they hate Trump

Gay jews fear Bibi more than moslem beheaders.

Jews are no more monolithic than any other nation.

Even when VD plays I Know a Good Jew he names those in Israel.

Netenyahu has gone or will go to a meeting of the Wisegrad...he and Orban can discuss the finer details of proper fences

If Orban starts sterilizing blacks without their knowledge/consent will US jew news complain?

Anonymous Avalanche July 23, 2017 1:26 PM  

@51 "Those poor Christian Zionist schlubs get played over and over again like the beta orbiter who knows this time the Jews will notice them and really really like them if they just do this last really important favor for them."

BINGO! For me, this wins the thread! Make a good cartoon, too.

Anonymous Avalanche July 23, 2017 1:30 PM  

@58 "Then stop issuing visas for either sort so there is no way back in. Cheap, clean, easy."

Not quite enough: need to also "chip 'em and ship 'em -- shipping isn't enough; we have to be able to "recognize" them when they try to slip back in and send them to our new 'jails' in Madagascar or Africa

(Hey! Bet the Chinese would like to build and run prisons for us in their continent, eh?)

Blogger Arthur Isaac July 23, 2017 1:41 PM  

unless Netanyahu is playing a deep game and intends to make life in the USA less comfortable for the diaspora.

That has been a top play in their book for generations. It would be no shock if they were using it again.

Anonymous Avalanche July 23, 2017 1:52 PM  

@63 "are places in Europe where you can't even question particular aspects of "the Holocaust" without suffering fines or imprisonment. "

"Places"?!? "in Europe"!?! Try several WHOLE COUNTRIES! Then, go read up on Ernst Zundel, (pacifist ex-German) *married to an American*, who was 'captured' (at their house) by Feds and locals; hustled (illegally) back to Canada; jailed and jerked around up there while some few Americans tried to get him back); then illegally 'exported' to Germany and thrown in jail THERE for (some years!) for writing things that were not illegal IN AMERICA!

Oh, and let's remember, too, his German LAWYER -- who was ALSO thrown in jail for defending him, because she could not do that without actually speaking the smallest bits of truth commensurate with trying to keep Zundel out of jail...

Did you not know that the *United States of America* actually has a branch of "our" govt whose sole purpose to to harass OTHER countries about anti-semitism!?

So far, thanks to the First Amendment, which is rapidly dying, Whites in the U.S. can still sometimes, in "some places," say a few things as discreetly as we can manage without coming to the brutal attention of the social police, the jewish police, and even the real police!

"Current year" eh?!

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 2:25 PM  

Sounds like a business strategy the Chinese could get behind. Better yet: pay the Norks to do it in exchange for stopping their nuke program. They get cash and we get a place to deposit folks who cannot behave themselves. Think win win!

Blogger Sherwood family July 23, 2017 2:29 PM  

If I told you the number diplomatic cables that come up in my queue with that specific issue on a monthly basis you would wonder what on earth your taxpayer dollars were being spent on. It is not so much a diplomatic issue as much as it is part of American civic religion. Holocaustianity is a tenet of Americanism and we have spent big money converting Europe to it too.

Blogger Sheila4g July 23, 2017 3:01 PM  

@77 Avalanche: Well said. In addition to holocaustianity, "hate speech" is increasingly criminalized. I've read a number of examples of Whites getting jail terms and/or being sentenced to re-education merely for saying an alien ought to go back. The Air BNB hostess who refused to rent to an Asian who tried to change terms on her/game the system was sentenced to a fine, community service, AND attending a class on Asian history and culture.

Given that I say "You have to go back" dozens of times each day (recently told a difficult brown Wal-Mart cashier that whatever she was, she wasn't an American), I suppose a jail term is in my near future. But then, I've expected that for years now.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 23, 2017 4:19 PM  

@55 Jew613
The most interesting part of the meeting was Netanyahu encouraging the leaders of the Visegard group to close their borders to the African/Arab "refugee" invasion.

Good. Very good news. That's the sort of thing nationalists can agree on.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club July 23, 2017 6:02 PM  

Conservatism in one line: always trying to convince the left that we're as good as they are

Thus their choice of cudgel against the Alt-Lite is some obscure black female prof who got axed at some shit tier college for running her grouper mouth about the righteousness of the BLM cause, about which NR can look all misty-eyed and noble and say "See, we love the Negroes too!"

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta July 23, 2017 6:33 PM  

@70 Richard Dawkins was expelled from Berkeley for Tweets on Islam, but not for Tweets against Christianity. Proving that the left is anti-West to it's core.

Blogger dfordoom July 23, 2017 9:15 PM  

24. Homesteader

This is the reason "Conservatives" never "conserved" anything.

"Conservatives" never "conserved" anything because they never wanted to conserve anything. They never were conservative. They were, and are, right-wing liberals. They're all in favour of the destruction of all traditional values and beliefs because those things get in the way of profit, and nothing is more sacred than money.

"Conservatives" were, and are, in favour of big business, big government (because big government is good for big business), open borders and lots of wars.

18. Bobby Farr

Going down to noble defeat? I thought NR was for open borders at home and liberal interventionism abroad. They've been winning for decades.

Precisely. The "conservative" elites have not only been winning, they have succeeded in destroying anything resembling an actual political left. The "conservative" elites and the liberal elites are one and the same.

The people who have been losing for decades are the morons who vote for the Republican Party under the delusion that it's a conservative party.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable July 24, 2017 1:54 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:That's the sort of idea which (((they))) would come up with.

I know what you mean, and why it wouldn't last. But I think it can be effective rhetoric. Too many Christians are still mired in the Judeo-Christ mindset. It's hard enough to get them to believe some Jews are bad, and that mostly works if you claim they're not really Jews, as is often said about the ones in Hollywood. If you tell them Jews are the enemy of Christendom and Western Civilization, they're going to classify you as LiterallyHitler and stop listening before you finish the first sentence. If you tell them it's not about Jews at all, but about nationalism for all, they might listen. It's not a lie, because it *is* about nationalism for us.

Sometimes you extend an olive branch, not because you expect it to be accepted -- even if you know it won't be -- but so that when it's rejected, you can proceed with a clear conscience. If we offer a no-strings alliance with nationalists in Somewhereistan, limited to rhetorical support of each other's struggle, and they try to turn it into something more than that, something parasitical, then we can say we tried and proceed accordingly.

The scorpion can't not sting the frog. But at this point, it's kinda on the frog to stop letting the scorpion climb aboard. If the frog offers to share a ferry, and the scorpion keeps sidling over and trying to sting him during the ride, well....


How about we simply do whatever it takes to stop just one horribly anti-American bill?

Blogger Billy Ray July 24, 2017 5:27 AM  

it's all the fault of the JOOOOOS! Wait, I though it was the fault of the Negroes or was it Negroes on welfare? no, it was white leftists or was it white republican cucks or whites who aren't WASPs? God, I can't keep up with you racist flip flopping, name calling and race baiting as you blame everyone except yourselves for being a dumbass

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