Saturday, July 29, 2017

DO WE NEED GOD now in audiobook

To know how to live, do we need God and religion, or does religion only produce wars, hatred, intolerance, and unhappiness? Does giving up God mean giving up morality, or can we finally live a peaceful and fulfilling life as atheists by following science and reason instead

Anthropologist Christopher Hallpike has spent a lifetime's research on the morality and religion of different cultures around the world and shows that trying to base a moral life on atheism and science actually has some very nasty surprises in store for us.

Narrated by Jon Mollison. 7 hours and 27 minutes.

From the reviews:
  • This book is a tremendous overview and discussion of one of the most important philosophical questions there are. It covers not only philosophy, but history, religion, anthropology, and biology in a broad-ranging discussion of the various aspects of the question. I learned a lot by reading it.
  • Hallpike delivers here an intellectually rigorous work that shows how common atheist strains of thought such as the meaninglessness of the universe and the denial of free will do not justify any of western atheists' professed liberal beliefs, even when such beliefs are otherwise worthy.
  • A remarkably fresh take on an old question. Hallpike brings his years of experience as an anthropologist to the bigger questions of what religion is, and how only some kind of religious-based metaphysic can really one to speak meaningfully of "good", "evil", and "morality".
  • A valuable, learned and intelligent contribution to the debate about God, coming to the matter from an unusual but productive base discipline. 
  • Probably the best refutation of evolutionary psychology and sociobiological claims about "human nature". A must read.
I highly, highly recommend DO WE NEED GOD TO BE GOOD? After reading it, I thought so highly of it that we arranged to buy the rights to the book from its original publisher. If you are a fan of either The Irrational Atheist or On the Existence of Gods, you really should either read or listen to this book. There is a reason that both Stickwick and I have become fans of Dr. Hallpike.

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Blogger Cataline Sergius July 29, 2017 7:34 AM  


I loved this one.

Anonymous Rocklea July 29, 2017 7:49 AM  

I'm actually re-reading On The Existence Of Gods at the moment. Great debate. You just gave me an excuse to start my free Amazon audible trial. Thanks.

Anonymous Rocklea July 29, 2017 7:56 AM  

And just picked up The Irrational Atheist with the free credit on the trial.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable July 29, 2017 8:01 AM  

Highly recommended.

Blogger Dave July 29, 2017 8:18 AM  

I don't do audiobooks however it's nice to see Castalia House provide this option for those that do.

Should get Hallpike on with Molyneaux; sure to be an interesting discussion. Do a little marketing for book and audio.

Got my first notices this morning from Team Vidme that voxday has uploaded videos to his Vidme channel. What do you think about adding short commercials on vidme for Castalia House books?

Blogger VD July 29, 2017 8:19 AM  

It's a good idea. We'll probably do some of that when we launch Voxiversity. Still sorting out exactly where and how the videos will be distributed.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 29, 2017 8:21 AM  

Also currently reading On the Existence of Gods. Already read TIA. I think, so far, that I've liked TIA better, but this is mostly due to seeing some of the major flaws in Dominick's arguments (that he conceded objective morality/objective evil in round one, for one) very early. It'll be interesting to see if there's anything else new in here, because so far I'm still at the judge's pronouncement of what they think of Dominick trying hard to backtrack and choose subjective morality in round two.

I think a lot (maybe most?) Atheists don't realize that their beliefs necessitate nihilism or some form of hedonism after running into the dead-end of nihilism. I confess that having this viewpoint turned me off to reading DNGG, although I've already bought it, because I found Hallpike's opening framework to be less-than-convincing, but I suppose I'll have to dive back in now that I can reasonably conclude that the opening framework is merely rather concessive to certain views.

I may have been somewhat inured to OEG by reading TIA first though, to be fair to OEG.

That being said, these three definitely feed well into each other as a set, particularly if one were to start with DNGG, then continue into OEG followed by TIA.

Blogger Sam Spade July 29, 2017 9:01 AM  

I didn't know about this book, seems very interesting. Will get it on Kindle.

Blogger Johnny July 29, 2017 9:33 AM  

I view human actions as arising more from circumstance than ideology, thus when I think about religion and its outcomes I ask how does it change things, So, how does the abandonment of religion change things? Simple really. Government ends up embracing the religious impulse, and the outcome is a social theocracy with government defining morality based on the expediency of government. That is the rub. Getting rid of God empowers government even as it encourages moral fanaticism in government.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer July 29, 2017 9:41 AM  

No, if you take the time to find something meaningful to fill that void. Kant and Schweitzer do it for me. Abortion is not life affirming. Diversity + proximity is not life affirming.

Jesus, whether you believe in God or not, is life affirming.

Me, I am quite insane. Some days I am quite convinced there is God. There has to be. There sure is as heck is evil. No doubt. And when I started looking, when I started talking to God, I found signs that He is actually tAlking to me. He didn't just manifest himself as some physical object and talk to me because that isn't how the rules work.

Others, it is the George Carlin arguments. If there is a God, He is obviously incompetent. This is not good work that should be on the resume of a supreme being. The idea of hell is insane. Infinite punishment for finite crimes? Really? #$^# that. I refuse to submit.

I am an atheist that thinks about God and Jesus all the time. That's crazy.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer July 29, 2017 10:27 AM  

And the throes of my narsicistic rant, I forgot to add that since most athiest will not take the time, or are smart enough, to fill the void, yeah, We need God.

Anonymous Katt Brenner July 29, 2017 10:43 AM  

God is infinite, and sins against Him are therefore infinite.

Anonymous Anonymous July 29, 2017 11:16 AM  

@Troy Lee Messner

Some people believe that the Lake of Fire is eternal, but the sinners thrown into it are consumed within moments and thus die a second and final death.

Blogger dvdivx July 29, 2017 1:43 PM  

Hell is thee complete absence of God. Since that's what atheists want why is it bad? The lake of fire in Revelations is only eternal for angels not humans.

Anonymous Katt Brenner July 29, 2017 2:15 PM  

"Depart from me, you cursed, into the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels. - Final judgement of man, according to St. Matthew, 25:41

Blogger Doc Rampage July 29, 2017 3:08 PM  

I read this after Vox first mentioned it. The book is extremely well-written and I learned a lot from it. I even learned that there is some anthropology that is respectable. I had come to doubt the possibility with all of the crazy in the field.

However, I remain unconvinced about the necessary connection that many theists see between God and objective morality. If you can believe in a real, objective material world without God, why can't you believe in a real, objective moral law without God? Sure, there is no apparent way to found such a moral law, but there is equally no way to found a material world without God. The problems don't seem that different.

Anonymous logprof July 29, 2017 3:33 PM  

Just bought on Audible.

Thanks for the recommendation!

Blogger peppermint88 July 29, 2017 4:36 PM  

Transcendentalism and secular humanism and christian universalism are really easy to criticize. The ancestor-worshipping atheism of modern biological nationalists is fundamentally different from secular humanism because secular humanism claims not to believe in souls but sees all life as intrinsically good.

Blogger Assyrian Nationalist July 29, 2017 5:36 PM  

Looks great, Vox. I'll definitely be picking this one up.

Anonymous Stickwick July 29, 2017 6:46 PM  

It's encouraging to see people responding positively to Prof Hallpike's book. It's tremendous work.

I'm getting a strong sense that atheism - as an "edgy" intellectual movement - is beginning a hard decline. Nothing the New Atheists are producing even comes close to the quality of scholarship here.

Blogger tz July 29, 2017 8:07 PM  

Meanwhile NR - nominally relevant? <a href="> asks what happened to the new atheists</a>

Must reread catechism on schadenfreude again...

Blogger Assyrian Nationalist July 29, 2017 8:15 PM  

Stickwick wrote:I'm getting a strong sense that atheism - as an "edgy" intellectual movement - is beginning a hard decline.

I think the atheist decline started five years ago when anti-atheist memes became popular and atheism began to be associated with dweebs:

Anonymous Didas Kalos July 29, 2017 11:39 PM  

Atheists have always been associated with fools. Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

If one doesn't understand Scripture he is like a boat without an anchor or a traveller without a compass. Trying to find truth only in your own mind, no matter how "intelligent a person may be is futile and ends in idiocy- always.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit July 30, 2017 3:55 AM  

Thank you. Purchase made.

Anonymous rotekz July 30, 2017 7:24 AM  

I only bought the book on Kindle a few days ago and there was no audio-whispersync upgrade available. Will this option come soon or do I need to buy as a separate entity on Audible?

Anonymous Sunil July 31, 2017 6:11 AM  

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