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Tuesday, July 04, 2017

Is America still a nation?

Pat Buchanan asks the $18 trillion question:
In the first line of the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, Thomas Jefferson speaks of “one people.” The Constitution, agreed upon by the Founding Fathers in Philadelphia in 1789, begins, “We the people …”

And who were these “people”?

In Federalist No. 2, John Jay writes of them as “one united people … descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs. …”

If such are the elements of nationhood and peoplehood, can we still speak of Americans as one nation and one people?

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We no longer have the same ancestors. They are of every color and from every country. We do not speak one language, but rather English, Spanish and a host of others. We long ago ceased to profess the same religion. We are evangelical Christians, mainstream Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists, agnostics and atheists.

Federalist No. 2 celebrated our unity. Today’s elites proclaim that our diversity is our strength. But is this true, or a tenet of trendy ideology?

All of which invites the question: Are we still a nation? And what is a nation? French writer Ernest Renan gave us the answer in the 19th century:

“A nation is a soul, a spiritual principle. Two things … constitute this soul, this spiritual principle. One is the past, the other is the present. One is the possession in common of a rich legacy of memories; the other is present consent, the desire to live together, the desire to continue to invest in the heritage that we have jointly received.

“Of all cults, that of the ancestors is the most legitimate: our ancestors have made us what we are. A heroic past with great men and glory … is the social capital upon which the national idea rests. These are the essential conditions of being a people: having common glories in the past and a will to continue them in the present; having made great things together and wishing to make them again.”

Does this sound at all like us today?
The USA is not a nation. It is a multinational empire. America is a nation occupied and oppressed, the Posterity of We the People, a nation invaded and robbed of its intellectual and geographical birthright, a nation betrayed by its leaders past and present.

The self-serving 20th century lie of the Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants to the USA is being applied to Europe today; the Africans invading the nations of Europe en masse are no more Italians, Germans, or Swedes than the 19th and 20th century European immigrants were ever Americans.

As Christians, we are taught to judge the truth of a concept by its consequences. And the consequences of the Melting Pot, the Nation of Immigrants, and the Proposition Nation are evil indeed.

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170 Comments:

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass July 04, 2017 11:10 AM  

We're not a nation, dead on right. People who failed basic political science don't understand there's a difference between nation and state.

Trump has slowed the decent but it's still coming.

Happy 4th of July all!

Anonymous Obviously read the wrong book July 04, 2017 11:11 AM  

As a Christian, you're taught to love your neighbor and that if someone sues you for your cloak to offer them your shirt as well.

Your fake Christianity is just disguised hate. :)

Blogger Timmy3 July 04, 2017 11:16 AM  

We are more of a nation of independent states than ever before.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky July 04, 2017 11:17 AM  

The American nation exists but it isn't represented by our governments, federal, state or local. We're a nation always on the run these days. We control not one major city that I can think of. That's not good, we are being atomized as our communities and families are increasingly stretched to the four points of the wind. We're a nation on the lam.

Blogger natschuster July 04, 2017 11:28 AM  

I read that George Washington wrote letters to some Irish people, the Jewish Congregation at Newport, and to a Dutch guy that said that the U.S. would take in the oppre@ed from any nation and religion as long as they are of good character

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta July 04, 2017 11:29 AM  

@2 "As a Christian, you're taught to love your neighbor and that if someone sues you for your cloak to offer them your shirt as well."

Go tell all the Mexicans and Hispanics that they are not Catholic Christians if we tell them to go back and they refuse. Watch them laugh at you.

Blogger Matt July 04, 2017 11:29 AM  

Its very strange to me that they use the same argument for the migrants in Europe. It workd here only after a century of "America is everybody" propaganda. Incredible that it's working. MTV has destroyed the West.

Anonymous Jeff July 04, 2017 11:30 AM  

Happy Independance Day

Blogger praetorian July 04, 2017 11:33 AM  

Amen.

I read that George Washington...

Well, I read that jews aren't supposed to swindle goyim.

And yet here we are.

Blogger exfarmkid July 04, 2017 11:33 AM  

Buchanan is spot on.

"Obviously Read the Wrong Book", if you are attempting sarcasm, you need to practice more. If this is a serious comment, you are a fool.

Anonymous Prayers answered for the Trumpslide July 04, 2017 11:41 AM  

The re-alignment will happen; it's just a question of when and not if. Hopefully our future posterity will look back at the ashes of America and will mock and condemn the suicidal thinking that led to this. What we are witnessing now is not a nail in the coffin for America, it is the stench of the rot of the corpse. And it will only get worse. I pray I am wrong, but I doubt it.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 04, 2017 11:42 AM  

Obviously read the wrong book wrote:As a Christian, you're taught to love your neighbor and that if someone sues you for your cloak to offer them your shirt as well.
Give me your house.
Now.

Anonymous SugarPi July 04, 2017 11:45 AM  

So... a triggered SJW churchian, right on cue. Vomit alert!

Anonymous Mathias July 04, 2017 11:49 AM  

@6,

I live in Texas, with a bunch of those hispanics. They are not Catholic, Santa Muerte is not Catholicism, nor is Mary worship. Furthermore, what does their exact religion have to do with the fact that they have to go back?

Blogger Chiva July 04, 2017 11:50 AM  

"the desire to continue to invest in the heritage that we have jointly received."

Locusts do not invest. Locusts feed until there is nothing, then leave.

Blogger DeploraBard July 04, 2017 11:50 AM  

I'll sue him for his piggy bank and he will then be obligated to throw in his entire 401K. Now.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 04, 2017 11:50 AM  

Obviously read the wrong book wrote:
As a Christian, you're taught to love your neighbor and that if someone sues you for your cloak to offer them your shirt as well.

Your fake Christianity is just disguised hate. :)


You need to go back. Light some ganjaweed offerings to Judeo-Christ on the way.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 04, 2017 11:51 AM  

DeploraBard wrote:I'll sue him for his piggy bank and he will then be obligated to throw in his entire 401K. Now.
I want his house. He'll have to give me his car as well.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother July 04, 2017 11:52 AM  

Then give me your car, your house and your wife.

Blogger DrAndroSF July 04, 2017 11:56 AM  

It's enlightening to discover that Pat Buchanan, the author who wonders if the nation he loves exists anymore, never was an American at all.

Anonymous Prionyx July 04, 2017 11:57 AM  

Off the main topic, but; VD said: "The self-serving 20th century lie of the Jewish, Irish, [...]"

Being a midwit, at best, I'm probably missing something crucial. I've always been proud to be an "OG" American, descended of mostly Irish stock with some adulterating English blood who arrived on the North American continent nearly a century before the colonists insisted on their version of Brexit. I'd likely qualify as a "Son of the American Revolution" based on our participation therein, and if the genealogical records are correct, there was no infiltration by later waves of immigrants; my kin choosing mates from the similar existing Appalachian stock.

Must I, too, go back?

Blogger VD July 04, 2017 11:57 AM  

As a Christian, you're taught to love your neighbor and that if someone sues you for your cloak to offer them your shirt as well.

Your neighbor, not 50 million Mexicans. And no one has sued me.

You're a liar and a fraud.

Blogger Orville July 04, 2017 11:58 AM  

Obviously read the wrong book, you are offended so go ahead and pluck your eyes out. Judeo Christ wills it.

Blogger VD July 04, 2017 11:58 AM  

I read that George Washington wrote letters to some Irish people, the Jewish Congregation at Newport, and to a Dutch guy that said that the U.S. would take in the oppre@ed from any nation and religion as long as they are of good character.

George Washington wasn't king. The US Congress said only whites of good character could become citizens.

Blogger DeploraBard July 04, 2017 11:59 AM  

Stg58 already claimed house, car, and wife. You will have to settle for the children

Blogger VD July 04, 2017 12:00 PM  

Must I, too, go back?

Depends what side you take, most likely.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer July 04, 2017 12:01 PM  

I grew up in Springdale, Arkansas and watched it go from a almost all white community with lots of community bible betters who met and talked about God. Now it is 1/3 Mexican and full of churchians who built some gaudy mega-church monstrosities. The plethora of churches go unused but for a few hours a week. My little part of "the nation" was invaded so y'all could have cheap frozen chicken tenders.

There is no nation. The only thing we have in common is the willingness to tolerate all this depravity. The atomization and demoralization.

Blogger Orville July 04, 2017 12:08 PM  

From the article, “One loves in proportion to the sacrifices that one has committed and the troubles that one has suffered,” writes Renan, “One loves the house that one has built and that one passes on.”

We are a land (I can't use the word nation anymore) full of renters. Not in the literal sense, but in the sense Renan meant in that there was no sacrifice, no blood spilt to build and maintain this country by the hordes of ethnics, and even by many of us.

The renters move in and in short order destroy the peace of the neighborhood if not our house itself.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 04, 2017 12:09 PM  

DeploraBard wrote:Stg58 already claimed house, car, and wife. You will have to settle for the children
What's the hanging weight? Lean/fat percentage?

Blogger James July 04, 2017 12:12 PM  

Sure, Amerika is a nation. A "corporate" nation. A de facto nation. It is typical of our enemies to redefine terms. "A nation is a geographic entity consisting of a diverse rainbow of special snowflakes!" I believe that is a country, not a nation. A nation is genetic in nature. Anyway, I'm not surprised. I've begun to find out that anyone can be a woman, even without a womb or two XX chromosomes. Go figure.

Blogger exfarmkid July 04, 2017 12:14 PM  

It's enlightening to discover that Pat Buchanan, the author who wonders if the nation he loves exists anymore, never was an American at all.

Congratulations. Clearly you are a genius practitioner of dialectic.

Blogger DeploraBard July 04, 2017 12:16 PM  

I vow defiance to the rag
Of the multinational empire of the globohomos
And against the factions for which it stands
A multicult state under judgement from God
With oppression and tyranny for all.

Happy 4th to all true Americans

Anonymous Faceless July 04, 2017 12:16 PM  

@27

Now, these chicken tenders - are they nice and meaty, or are they just a bunch of breading?

Blogger DeploraBard July 04, 2017 12:20 PM  

SW
Varies by race 😎

Anonymous Ari Abraham July 04, 2017 12:21 PM  

Jews are taught to feed and clothe the gentiles. Even Jesus taught this. Yet the fake "Christians" here show their true colors by hating on immigrants. But then again, Hitler said he was a Christian. Try to expel us? Try to put us in camps? I say over my dead body. Many of us who are Jewish, Mexican, etc. own firearms.

Blogger allyn71 July 04, 2017 12:27 PM  

Try to expel us? Try to put us in camps? I say over my dead body. Many of us who are Jewish, Mexican, etc. own firearms.

Well isn't that special, good for you.

Us fake "Christians" aren't going to feel bad when you shoot your dick off with it right before we send you back.

Blogger DeploraBard July 04, 2017 12:30 PM  

"Even Jesus"
That blasphemous and hated Jew you Goys hold in such high esteem taught this so when convenient, I will appeal to his authority to call you a fake Christian

Anonymous Mathias July 04, 2017 12:31 PM  

@35

It's funny how (((you))) define "feeding and clothing the gentiles", because it seems that every time you go to do this, what happens is you take a cloak from a gentile you like less to give a cloak to a gentile you like more. Your lot never gives out of their own pockets, so who is feeding and clothing whom again?

Also, did you miss the part where 98% of American society isn't jewish, and therefore doesn't give a rat crap about what jews are supposed to do?

Blogger ZhukovG July 04, 2017 12:31 PM  

To the 'What about me's'. Having an Irish, Polish or Iroquois Grandmother is going to be the least of your worries in the coming 'troubles'.

Your skin is your uniform. The first and probably bloodiest point of conflict will revolve around appearance. White vs. Brown vs. Black vs. Yellow. It will be a grand melee.

At first White casualties may be horrific, as Leftist snowflakes and many Alt-Lite won't understand what's happening until they're being carved into 'long pork'. Asians may be nearly extirpated unless they react quickly and align with the White Alt-Right.

Then the tables will likely turn and Blacks and Browns may be subjected to an ethnic cleansing that will make the fall of Yugoslavia look like a Sunday School picnic.

There will be no reason, no debate, just white hot rage. It will be evil, it will be horrible and it may be unavoidable.

If you survive this; then you can worry about your Irish grandmother.

Blogger Bellguard July 04, 2017 12:32 PM  

Here's a take for you, Vox.

Liberty was once defined by ownership of property. We as Americans no longer own property. Property taxes are a form of renting, for we must pay tribute to the state. If we do not, our property is seized. Therefore, we do not own, we rent.

So the land, the geography, it is all owned by the state. What, then, does this make the land we have?

If you want to claim a nation's definition and identity is tied to its genetics, not its land, what genetics make up America? 80% or more European?

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 04, 2017 12:33 PM  

24. VD July 04, 2017 11:58 AM
George Washington wasn't king. The US Congress said only whites of good character could become citizens.



actually, Georgie boy ALSO assented to that law.

he was President and signed that bill for the very first session of Congress.

so we have the vague recollection of a Jew recounting something he MAY have heard
...
versus what Washington actually promulgated as Law.

the discrepancy is curious, no?


35. Ari Abraham July 04, 2017 12:21 PM
Jews are taught to feed and clothe the gentiles.



even if you have 2800 of them, naked and starving slaves aren't much good.

Blogger James July 04, 2017 12:36 PM  

Ari Abraham wrote:Jews are taught to feed and clothe the gentiles. Even Jesus taught this. Yet the fake "Christians" here show their true colors by hating on immigrants. But then again, Hitler said he was a Christian. Try to expel us? Try to put us in camps? I say over my dead body. Many of us who are Jewish, Mexican, etc. own firearms.

When did you people start focusing on the word gentiles only meaning non-jews instead of its Greek meaning of "ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)"? When you realized you could use it to deceive Christians? Its like using the Hebrew word erets to mean "the world" when it really means the earth, or that place. That way it can be used to imply the Flood covered the entire world, as opposed to an isolated area of the planet. Which, of course, allows you to lie that all people born after the Flood were sired by Noah and his sons, and hence, by Adam and Eve.

Blogger VD July 04, 2017 12:40 PM  

Jews are taught to feed and clothe the gentiles.

How strange that you always end up corrupting the finances and seizing their property instead. You have to go back.

Many of us who are Jewish, Mexican, etc. own firearms.

No, you don't. Jews have some of the lowest firearms ownership rates in the USA. And there aren't very many of you to start with.

Blogger DeploraBard July 04, 2017 12:42 PM  

And you are a liar. Your Talmud condemns you. You worship the father of lies and spirit of antichrist. Islam has more respect for the messiah. But I thank you. It was by your stone heart that salvation came to us gentiles and we were grafted into the covenants. Now repent prodigal son and return to the God of Isreal.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 04, 2017 12:43 PM  

If you're too stupid to know which Irish he's referring to, it would probably improve life between the Cumberland and the Piedmont.

Anonymous Mathias July 04, 2017 12:46 PM  

@43,

You're absolutely right, not only are jews charitable only with the money of others, the same applies to their willingness to fight and have their blood spilled. They never do it themselves, always impressing others through usury to do it for them.

They are as generous with their blood as they are with their bank accounts. It's no coincidence that most political commentators that could be described with the word "chickenhawk" are mostly jewish.

Blogger VD July 04, 2017 12:47 PM  

Try to expel us? Try to put us in camps? I say over my dead body.

(((You))) will be running to Israel soon of your own volition, just like your co-nationals in France. Your elite leaders have been making plans to depart the USA for 11 years now.

I will defend my Jewish friends to the death. Because they are my friends, they are good people, and I could not care less what their religion or ethnicity might be. But arrogant, imperialist Jews like you? I won't lift a finger when the Muslims or Mexicans or Blacks or American Ultras come for you.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 04, 2017 12:51 PM  

Good to see that Pat's still got it. Excellent piece.

"The USA is not a nation. It is a multinational empire."

That's the bottom line. At the risk of excessive repetition: A nation is not a patch of dirt, nor lines on a map, nor a particular cog in the world economy. It is not even just an assemblage of those who happen to live in the same general area of the world and pay taxes to the same government. It is an ethnos ; a people.

Without a nation, you cannot have a nation-state. Those who advocate for muh "multiculturalism" are acting out of a typically leftist ignorance of history (or a typically tribal desire to erase it in favor of their chosen narrative). As Vox notes, "multicultural," multiracial, multilingual polities are hardly a new phenomenon. They're called empires. And empires require authoritarian rule if they are to hold together against the constant centrifugal force of nationalism.

@35 Ari Abraham
Go tikkun someone else's olam. We don't want any. Believe me; you've done more than enough already. The goyim are not all the same.

Happy Independence Day, everyone. And to any leafs out there, Happy (belated) Sesquicentennial.

Northwest Passage
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY8LoM47xI

Blogger Elder Son July 04, 2017 12:57 PM  

Posterity: Anyone who fought in/for or supported the revolution. Irish included. Unless you were an Irish Tory. Or any other kind of Tory.

Blogger DeploraBard July 04, 2017 12:59 PM  

NOTICE:
Immediate reference to Hitler tied to Christianity. Then suggestions of expulsion and death camps. Then the bluff he would shed his blood for anything other than shekels. Disgusting. You have to Aliyah.

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta July 04, 2017 1:00 PM  

@48 A nation is whatever the United States says it is. It's a Social Security number on a 2x1 inch card.

Blogger Matthew July 04, 2017 1:01 PM  

Ari Abraham wrote:Try to expel us? Try to put us in camps? I say over my dead body.

If you insist...

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 04, 2017 1:06 PM  

RabbiB already called dibs to man the ovens.

Anonymous Jeff July 04, 2017 1:06 PM  

@48 Francis - To any leafs out there, Happy (belated) Sesquicentennial.

Not much to celebrate these days given that Canada is now even less of a nation than the USA.

Great song, though!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 04, 2017 1:09 PM  

I'm an early adopter, in 1989 when the first Bush was busy invading Panama of all places I knew deep down that day that a pre-Rev War American such as myself was the eventual target in the empire.

All empires sell their founding stock out.

Fuck the empire

Blogger Paul Sacramento July 04, 2017 1:10 PM  

Ah, the neighbor comment from the Bible, it tends to be brought up by those that want OTHERS to take care of the problems THEY don't want to face and yet, Christ Himself answered the question of "Who is my neighbor" in Luke 10:25-37, the parable of the good Samaritan. He even clarified in this part:
30 Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead. 31 Now by chance a priest was going down that road, and when he saw him he passed by on the other side. 32 So likewise a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he journeyed, came to where he was, and when he saw him, he had compassion. 34 He went to him and bound up his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he set him on his own animal and brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 And the next day he took out two denarii[a] and gave them to the innkeeper, saying, ‘Take care of him, and whatever more you spend, I will repay you when I come back.’ 36 Which of these three, do you think, proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?” 37 He said, “The one who showed him mercy.” And Jesus said to him, “You go, and do likewise.”

Our neighbors are those that show us and others mercy and kindness, those are the ones that we are to treat likewise.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 04, 2017 1:19 PM  

ZhukovG wrote:If you survive this; then you can worry about your Irish grandmother.

Such a good point. All this wonderfully entertaining web talk about what is to come and what it "should" look like is largely irrelevant. Too many people really think they can direct the chain of events that is to come. But it will play out the way it will play out. And it won't be pretty. We're past that point.

Somewhat related, Molyneux is back to full libertarian blindness, going on (in his latest call-in show) about how we have to get rid of the welfare state and big govt and then all will be well. As if that's ever going to happen at this point (if it ever could have).

He just doesn't want to face the full reality of what the alt-right sees. And so he's back in imaginary libertarian land.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 04, 2017 1:24 PM  

Austria sends armored vehicles and troops to Italian border, blocking colonizers at the Brenner Pass. Austria is a nation?

Anonymous gxg July 04, 2017 1:33 PM  

Somewhat related, Molyneux is back to full libertarian blindness, going on about how we have to get rid of the welfare state and big govt and then all will be well.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one who noticed this. The scolding tone of, "You shouldn't hate/fight/disparage the migrants, because they're only responding to incentives" was a crock. What? We're not supposed to hate people who invade our homelands, rape our children, and steal from our families? These savages did this long before the welfare state.

He also scolded the guy for wanting to return to a homogeneous society, telling him that such an endeavor could only be accomplished by bloodshed.

And his point is...?

Blogger rumpole5 July 04, 2017 1:36 PM  

I would be the last to claim that my German forebearers were fully concurrent with the the English philosophic and cultural mileu that constituted Colonial America, but most were legally here well before the war of independence. My paternal great great grandfather, Frederick Boroughf fought in the war of 1812, and his sons, my great Uncles, in the civil war. My maternal great grandfather Baker (from the German, Becker) lost a leg as a soldier in the civil war, and his son, my great uncle, was a soldier in World war I. My ancestors cleared land and settled homes and founded towns from Virginia and New Jersey right through Indiana. We built this country. It would not be here without us. I for one am not going back. If the English are so bright then how did they lose the right to bear arms that they gained in their 1660 glorious revolution? Looks to me like a little Deutsche, Scots, African and American Indian blood has improved the English/American breed considerably.

Blogger Last Redoubt July 04, 2017 1:39 PM  

@2. Obviously read the wrong book

As a Christian^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H CHURCHIAN, you're taught to love your neighbor and that if someone sues you for your cloak to offer them your shirt as well.

My misunderstanding of Christianity is just interpreted as hate. :)


FTFY.

After all, this is the same guy who whipped the moneychangers out of the temple, told us to sell our cloaks for swords, and held up as righteous imprisoning a man for failing to show kindness in turn when he had mercy shown to him, thus demonstrating he was unworthy.

Anonymous johnc July 04, 2017 1:43 PM  

Your skin is your uniform. The first and probably bloodiest point of conflict will revolve around appearance. White vs. Brown vs. Black vs. Yellow. It will be a grand melee.

Interesting. I was thinking it would be a white-on-white conflict with the blacks, browns, and asians sitting on the sidelines and the jews rubbing their hands together as they watch their portfolios ring up like those old-school gas pumps. You know, like the World Wars.

The wildcard would be if the Muslims become such a significant slice of the population that they're able to broadly exert force over the native populations. Then it could go down to whites vs. Muslims.

Anonymous BBGKB July 04, 2017 1:44 PM  

As a Christian, you're taught to love your neighbor and that if someone sues you for your cloak to offer them your shirt as well

Nice house you have there, Lena Dunham wants to show your daughter some love.

Many of us who are Jewish, Mexican, etc. own firearms.

Yea like the Columbine kids and MS-13, a Sanders Supporter can shoot off 50 rifle rounds at less than 100 yards with no one dying but 8yo white girls can shoot tight shot groups.

Try to expel us? Try to put us in camps? I say over my dead body.

Turned out Janet Reno was correct about TRUMP being president.


OT:Global warming expert Steven Hawking pulls one out of Uranus, with claims the earth will become Venus

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/global-warming-alarmists-have-jumped-the-shark-stephen-hawking-claims-climate-change-could-turn-earth-into-venus_07032017

Blogger natschuster July 04, 2017 1:46 PM  

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Blogger dc.sunsets July 04, 2017 1:51 PM  

Stg, while I grasp your sentiment, I sincerely doubt any of us here would desire that pseudo-Christian's wife. (Shudder)

Blogger Last Redoubt July 04, 2017 1:52 PM  

@56. Paul Sacramento

He said, “The one who showed him mercy.” And Jesus said to him, “You go, and do likewise.”

Our neighbors are those that show us and others mercy and kindness, those are the ones that we are to treat likewise.


And to those who will not show us mercy, or demonstrate through their actions that they will take advantage of our kindness? That they will take from us but not give?

Both the golden rule and game theory have the same answer to that.

Blogger Sheila4g July 04, 2017 2:07 PM  

@64 natschuster: "if you don't believe what I said about the letters just do a Google search . . . "

Stop sperging - the Touro letter is hardly unheard of or unmentioned at this blog. You left out that the Touro synagogue was founded by Spanish/Portuguese Jews from the West Indies, many of them slave traders. You also fail to mention that Washington's letter was only in response to one from the synagogue's warden, voicing support and, typically, "concern" re the new government's policy toward Jews. Finally, note that Washington's reply, the same year of his vote in favor of the 1790 immigration law, was "May the (Jews) continue to merit and enjoy the good will" of other inhabitants of America. He did not specifically include them as Americans, but mere inhabitants of Rhode Island, and that their subsequent behavior has hardly merited anyone's good will has been discussed numerous times here and elsewhere.

Cherry pick better.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 04, 2017 2:07 PM  

Timmy3 wrote:We are more of a nation of independent states than ever before.

Read more American history.
It was independent states that declared independence and adopted the present Constitution.
The Tenth Amendment has become a dead letter of the law.

During my lifetime, the Federal Government has become increasingly less a federal system of states and more like a Central Government. Virtually EVERYTHING is now a Federal matter, even street crime, even health insurance, ever drivers licenses, even marriage, even toilet assignment.

No one seems to recall that Texas was once a peaceful and loyal part of Mexico. Under the Federal Republic, Texas had their own representative assembly under the Mexican Constitution. There was no Texas Revolution after independence from the Crown of Spain, for more than a dozen years. So what actually caused the Texas Revolution? Santa Anna tore up the Mexican Constitution, abolished the state governments (including Texas), and created a Central Government in Mexico City. A number of the Mexican states revolted against this unlawful change, but only the Texas Revolt was successful. (Texas owes much to Santa Anna, else they would still be a state of Mexico.)

Likewise, people in Washington have been busy for decades creating a Central Government, even to the point of diluting the historic American population with a massive foreign invasion. Yes, it has become an empire....supported only by corruption of the law, stolen money, hubris of Federal judges, and Federal guns. This may not end well, but it will end and that will be a good thing.

Happy 4th of July to everyone here!

Blogger dc.sunsets July 04, 2017 2:10 PM  

My current theory is a variation of socionomics.


I think that the great herding tendency is characterized by the distance of trusted unknowns.

Since each of us has but a small circle of knowns, we're surrounded by the unknown. We absorb our willingness to trust those unknowns from our social milieu.

This is why it was easy to fear and distrust a particular threat while waxing trustful of an otherwise similar but unknown person.

It became fashionable, and then a mania, to trust that with which we had zero experience, based on our trust of people on TV we had never met. It, like an asset market whose prices spiraled higher, became a feedback loop that obeyed boom/bust dynamics, not supply/demand pricing.

This explains why as the obvious costs of alien immivasion grew, the hive mind just ignored them.

I believe it is inevitable that this "distance trust principal of the unknown" is way beyond due for a snap-back overcorrection in the opposite direction.

Social trust is the engine that engages human ingenuity in the production of rising living standards. Places populated by low trust people are poor in large part because no matter the intelligence of the people, their ingenuity is isolated and uncoordinated.

As trust evaporates in North America, the ingenuity that has held the US economy & social fabric together will stop doing so.

This is a natural trend whose future path will not be denied.

Only WASPS are most predisposed to produce the conditions that set the stage for the USA's high living standards. WASPs became a minority in the USA a long time ago.

The future is already written.

Anonymous Eduardo July 04, 2017 2:22 PM  

Interesting point there DC. Full of conclusions coming out of those words... Some of them very eerie.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 04, 2017 2:29 PM  

@60 rumpole5
My dear fellow, there was no German nation until Bismark. What was considered "Germanic" was the Kingdom of Prussia and dozens of fiefdoms and principalities ....plus the German-speaking parts of a number of other countries, such as the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. King George III of the United Kingdom, was a German king, but knew himself as a Hanoveran. Bavaria had a long history of its own as well. Mecklenburg is enormously historic.

You are an American, just as my own Scot-Irish and Scottish ancestors made me an American. Not because they crossed the Atlantic in a wooden sailing ship, but because they built this country and killed others to defend this country and buried their own family in the soil of this country. It is our country because our families made it so, just as it falls to us now to continue to make it so.

You can have anything you want in this world as long as you can keep others from taking it from you. Those who would take it from us do not recognize our occupation as proof of ownership. They are desperate and determined....and we need to be too.

Anonymous Bz July 04, 2017 2:30 PM  

In the future all these latinx and blacks will become Jews too. That is the American dream. Melting pot yo!

OT: Next tech scalp is taken: David McClure, Trump hating, Hillary worshipping, hard charging mini-VC turns out to be a ... sexual harasser!?! Adios Dave.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/technology/women-entrepreneurs-speak-out-sexual-harassment.html

PS. Naming a VC company Binary Capital must have been a trigger to the LGBT crowd. That's another guy though.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 04, 2017 2:35 PM  

What is it with Jews and sperging out?

Skin will be a badge for starters. Once the dust settles and homogeny returns, then it'll be time to divide further. Like the break up of Charlemagne's kingdom. Each group going their own way.

Blogger natschuster July 04, 2017 2:42 PM  

There was also the letter to that Dutch guy and the Irish.

Anonymous Pitcrew July 04, 2017 2:47 PM  

The Tree of Liberty should have many branches. The Articles of Confederation tried to preserve that, the Constitution attempted as well. The Confederate States of America, which was both separate and at the same time fully American, also attempted. This is why states rights have been such an important issue. The Imperialists ignored it and now they stand to lose everything. It will be interesting to see what new American nations rise out of the ashes of the United States, if it does collapse. I can envision about 4.

Blogger natschuster July 04, 2017 2:49 PM  

oh and the Touro letter does say "all possess immunities of citizenship." What does that mean?

Anonymous Avalanche July 04, 2017 2:49 PM  

@2 "As a Christian, you're taught to love your neighbor ... "

DEFINE "love" and define "neighbor." *IF* you believe what Jesus SAID about this (and want to force Vox to believe and, thus, act the way you want him to believe and act about it), then you must know what the Son of God MEANT by it! Not what you -- or the trendies of today -- WANT (you) to believe - but what JESUS intended!

If Jesus approvingly cited the Good Samaritan taking the injured man to a HOTEL (i.e., NOT into his house! not to live there rent free, eat his food, and marry his daughter... ) and paying the landlord to care for him until he could continue his journey (i.e., LEAVE) -- then who are YOU to say: Jesus was wrong, we need to take in ALLLLL the people of the world, no matter if that destroys OUR neighborhood!

So -- try again: WHO Is your neighbor -- and who is NOT?! What does LOVE entail? What does it require of you? (And while you're at it -- was it agape love (uninvolved, nonpersonal love), eros (sexual, craving love) or phileo love (deep friendship, caring love) that your version of Christianity requires of you?

Blogger Solaire Of Astora July 04, 2017 2:51 PM  

What started as one nation with multiple states is now multiple nations with one state.

Blogger modsquad July 04, 2017 2:58 PM  

Years ago a Cree elder was asked for his thoughts on whites.

He answered, "We're waiting for them to leave."

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 04, 2017 3:11 PM  

Austria is securing their border with Italy to prevent migrant crossings. Hopefully this will pressure the Italian government enough to convince them to start turning back the boats.

Blogger VFM #7634 July 04, 2017 3:15 PM  

@39 ZhukovG

At first White casualties may be horrific, as Leftist snowflakes and many Alt-Lite won't understand what's happening until they're being carved into 'long pork'. Asians may be nearly extirpated unless they react quickly and align with the White Alt-Right.

And it'll depend upon the Asians.

There is increasingly boiling resentment on the part of whites against South Asians. Even the average white American has to deal with incompetent Indian tech support. And that's not even getting into how Indians are horribly arrogant and clannish, with too many horny Gamma men and few cute women. In fact, they're essentially using white Canadian women as a safety valve for their excess males. Furthermore, Indians make up a disproportionate number of ardent SJWs, maybe even just as much as jews.

Unless the Indians go back, they're likely to be exterminated by everybody, including the whites, because absolutely NOBODY will be sympathetic or even neutral toward them.

I expect something similar to happen to the Chinese, although maybe not as drastic, since the Chinese aren't quite as obnoxious as the Indians.

Then the tables will likely turn and Blacks and Browns may be subjected to an ethnic cleansing that will make the fall of Yugoslavia look like a Sunday School picnic.

Of all the brown groups to perhaps reach an understanding with white American ultras, there may be a slice of right-wing Mexican-Americans. But everyone else is liable to be wiped out. The blacks will be hit hardest, no doubt. Their poor planning skills and lack of future time preference will screw them royally.

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 3:17 PM  

Try to expel us? Try to put us in camps? I say over my dead body.

careful what you say, jew

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 3:21 PM  

5. Blogger natschuster July 04, 2017 11:28 AM
I read that George Washington wrote letters to some Irish people, the Jewish Congregation at Newport, and to a Dutch guy that said that the U.S. would take in the oppre@ed from any nation and religion as long as they are of good character


i read that jews claim to be the light unto the world, so why arent they doing it?

Blogger Johnny July 04, 2017 3:24 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:All empires sell their founding stock out.

When Rome was falling apart some Romans thought that the problem was that the original race (or genetics) was degraded by the importation into Italy of inferior groups. Well, perhaps. but there is another possible explanation. For several hundred years most of the men who were thought to be suitable for use in a military were drafted into the military, and that military service greatly reduced the likelihood they would reproduce. Maybe it was a decline in the Italian race itself that created the need to bring non Romans into the military, and ultimately brought down the empire.

Blogger Matamoros July 04, 2017 3:28 PM  

@22 VD Your neighbor, not 50 million Mexicans.

The land will never lack for needy persons; that is why I command you: “Open your hand freely to your poor and to your needy kin in your land.” Deut. 15:11

Your kin are your blood, not the world, or some mythical spiritual brother.

Blogger tuberman July 04, 2017 3:28 PM  

Pat Buchanan was my political mentor in the 1990's.

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 3:29 PM  

My little part of "the nation" was invaded so y'all could have cheap frozen chicken tenders.

no, it was so some business owner could make a larger profit. the people have always been against the illegal invasion

Blogger JACIII July 04, 2017 3:29 PM  

johnc wrote:Your skin is your uniform. The first and probably bloodiest point of conflict will revolve around appearance. White vs. Brown vs. Black vs. Yellow. It will be a grand melee.

Interesting. I was thinking it would be a white-on-white conflict with the blacks, browns, and asians sitting on the sidelines and the jews rubbing their hand (snip)



That's a linear projection. As whites are evermore attacked the survivors will clamor for protection from the very thing they once defended. Denying reality will only work for diversityphiles until reality kicks them in the head while they are down.

Anonymous One Deplorable DT July 04, 2017 3:34 PM  

@83 - i read that jews claim to be the light unto the world, so why arent they doing it?

Are you saying that economic and cultural Marxism are not a light unto the world?

Bad goy!

Blogger pyrrhus July 04, 2017 3:36 PM  

@83 The Immigration Act of 1790 limited it to white people of good character, which is what Washington was talking about too. Many felt that the Irish did not qualify, for example....

Anonymous Pitcrew July 04, 2017 3:37 PM  

People can defend themselves. Its the American way. Settlers did it, whites will do it too. I'd start having serious doubts about the intelligence of anyone not already armed to a significant degree.

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 3:39 PM  

35. Anonymous Ari Abraham July 04, 2017 12:21 PM
Jews are taught to feed and clothe the gentiles.


so why are your billionaire and trillionaire (((bankers))) forcing white people to do it instead?

Blogger pyrrhus July 04, 2017 3:40 PM  

"Try to expel us? Try to put us in camps? I say over my dead body."
Very likely....

Blogger Chris Mallory July 04, 2017 3:41 PM  

Prionyx wrote:descended of mostly Irish stock with some adulterating English blood

Were they good Protestant Ulster Irish or dirty bog hopping, papist Irish?

Blogger Chris Mallory July 04, 2017 3:43 PM  

modsquad wrote:Years ago a Cree elder was asked for his thoughts on whites.

He answered, "We're waiting for them to leave."


We can ship them some more blankets and firewater.

Blogger pyrrhus July 04, 2017 3:47 PM  

Drudge reports Austria sending troops and armored vehicles to stop immigrants from crossing the border from Italy...

Blogger pyrrhus July 04, 2017 3:49 PM  

@94 The Scots-Irish, who were Ulster protestants, were never considered Irish, and were the backbone of the Revolutionary forces in the South...

Anonymous Pitcrew July 04, 2017 4:02 PM  

Alt-right rules 9,10,11. America is now obviously several nations. Leaders should be wary of sending young men into harms way to perform violence they themselves may be unwilling or unable to do. Mostly damn Yankees trying to tell people what to do. And the Mormons are American, but they are essentially a breed apart. We have arrived at this impasse because of imperial Yankees letting in all the Italians and new Irish/Germans. Then the Yankee Bush family trying to absorb all of Latin America. Muslim Chindia is just the icing on this layer cake of horrors. There is a cost to all of this, and we are about to pay it.

Anonymous Wilbur Hassenfus July 04, 2017 4:13 PM  

Hey "Obviously",

Don't you read the signs on the rainbow churches? They say "God is still speaking".

Well, He told me to send you back because you're a useless leech.

Cheers!

Blogger Elder Son July 04, 2017 4:29 PM  

The wretched refuse should have been a clue, not an invitation.

Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 4:31 PM  

"The USA is not a nation. It is a multinational empire. America is a nation occupied and oppressed, the Posterity of We the People, a nation invaded and robbed of its intellectual and geographical birthright, a nation betrayed by its leaders past and present"

The original American nation disavowed and relinquished itself in 1861 when it chose evil over good and chose to defend bondage.

America evolved into a new and more moral nation where "we" were no longer defined by skin pigment, but by the ideals of freedom, self determination, and liberty.

The founders knew it's posterity must. E different and evolve.

Blogger VD July 04, 2017 4:36 PM  

America evolved into a new and more moral nation where "we" were no longer defined by skin pigment, but by the ideals of freedom, self determination, and liberty.

Not a nation. An empire, established by force and held together by force.

Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 4:37 PM  

Incidentally...we all will stay. You can make demands, parrot idiots and make claims to a Lon past all you want. But we will stay because you have been left in the past and in the dark with no help.

Blogger Happy LP9 July 04, 2017 4:37 PM  

Today? sad to watch so many problems go down.

Interesting Pat ref'ed Zakria, I wish we could deport the media.

Wouldn't it be great if we were a nation of readers not watchers in that today was sad as I too notice everyone is doing nothing, just tv's blaring loudly in my building...

Then again an awake virtuous not stoned into docility or tv'ed into stupidity or drugged into incoherence is not what the rulers want.

The slants, how the wicked live, their bands name was upheld and left alone;

guns, sticks, swords and guys; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT6_JKtiSUY

Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 4:39 PM  

"Not a nation. An empire, established by force and held together by force." Yes. A nation. And yes, created by terrible violence. But it was that or relinquish our humanity, our duty and our future. So we fought.

Blogger Happy LP9 July 04, 2017 4:40 PM  

102 Never forget fear, America is lead and ruled by fears plus force.

Blogger Ron July 04, 2017 4:41 PM  

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Blogger Lucas July 04, 2017 4:43 PM  

Nation = One race, one religion, one language.

USA is not a nation.

Blogger Brian H July 04, 2017 4:43 PM  

Hell, people I know who DID pass basic political science - who "majored" in it - don't seem to understand the difference.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 04, 2017 4:52 PM  

@101 1861
"The original American nation disavowed and relinquished itself in 1861 when it chose evil over good and chose to defend bondage."

I could agree with that statement, but I am certain we would entirely disagree on which was evil and which was bondage.
Yes, it was evil for 2/3 of the country to invade and destroy 1/3 of the country.
Yes, it was evil for people in one part of the country to insist on governing people outside their own states.
Yes, it was evil for people to be kept in a country at bayonet point, who wished for their own self-determination, and the right to govern themselves.
Yes, it was evil for a government, with no Southern representation, to deny whites in the South the right to vote or run for public office for a dozen years.
Yes, there was a considerable amount of evil in 1861...and since.

"America evolved into a new and more moral nation where "we" were no longer defined by skin pigment, but by the ideals of freedom, self determination, and liberty."

Please tell BLM all about it...and LaRaza....and the Leftist Liberals. Clearly, they did not get the memo. If there is a mania in the Federal government today, it is entirely about skin color, and has been that way most of my lifetime.
Spare me the "morality" of that fact.

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 04, 2017 4:52 PM  

Don't touch the poop!!!

I know, I know, report to Malwyn. Yes, Dark Lord.

Anonymous Bellator Mortalis July 04, 2017 5:02 PM  

The importation of non-Anglo Saxons peoples is a plan implemented by the Lowerarchy. (To understand the Lowerarchy, read "The Screwtape Letters; see: https://infogalactic.com/info/The_Screwtape_Letters ).

Evidence: The Theosophical Society preached that the the sixth subrace of the Aryan root race will arise in America. (The Aryan root race is considered the 5th race.) Eugenic breeding of the 6th subrace of the 5th race, under the guidances of "the Masters", will result in the 6th race of mankind.

The Theosophical society created the Lucifer Trust, which later renamed itself the Lucis trust to conceal its true purpose. The Lucis trust was located at 666 United Nations Plaza, and is a UN NGO. It has been a "Globalist" think tank and publishing company supporting the UN for decades.

To understand their plan, here is a quotation from one of the founders of the Theosophical society: "“We are preparing here in America a new race which will exhibit the perfection of the glories that I said were being slowly brought to the surface from the long forgotten past. This is why the Americas are seen to be in a perpetual ferment. It is the seething and bubbling of the older races in the refining-pot, and the slow coming up of the material for the new race. Here, and nowhere else, are to be found men and women of every race living together, being governed together, attacking nature and the problems of life together, and bringing forth children who combine, each one, two races. This process will go on until in the course of many generations there will be produced on the American continents an entirely new race..."

If you do not understand, and accept the existence of, the Lowerarchy -- then you will not understand what has happened to America, and what is happening in Europe today with the invasion of Africans, Arabs, etc. You won't understand the Gramscian school, the "Long March" through Western institutions, and force behind western Marxism. You won't understand why Christian churches have been infiltrated and subverted.

The attack on western civilization (e.g. Anglo-Saxon civilization) is deliberate, organized, well funded, and guided by the Lowerarchy. They are our enemy. They have many tools, and if we react only to the tools, then we will lose.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 04, 2017 5:04 PM  

1861 wrote:Incidentally...we all will stay. You can make demands, parrot idiots and make claims to a Lon past all you want. But we will stay because you have been left in the past and in the dark with no help.

You might stay if you are buried here, otherwise you will not stay. To take this place from us will require more force than you can ever imagine. Many will choose to live, even if that means living elsewhere. You may find yourself being left behind. Believe it or not.

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 5:07 PM  

106. Blogger Happy LP9 July 04, 2017 4:40 PM
102 Never forget fear, America is lead and ruled by fears plus force.


"You better trust me on the NSA or we're gonna have problems"

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 5:21 PM  

America evolved into a new and more moral nation where "we" were no longer defined by skin pigment

why anyone be afraid of being defined by their skin pigment unless their race doesnt bring anything to the table aside low IQ, high violence and high crime?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab July 04, 2017 5:25 PM  

What's Italy like? Has it changed too much since you moved there? Do you feel like your family will eventually be Italian our is this a stop over?

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 04, 2017 5:38 PM  

"America evolved into a new and more moral nation where "we" were no longer defined by skin pigment, but by the ideals of freedom, self determination, and liberty."
Define this more moral nation you speak of. What I see is one big LGBTWXYZ clusterf#ck in the works, of course that's hunky dory with you, right ? And let dem gimme dats flow,borders are so ancient history, and speaking English in this country is so oppressing. Is that what you are saying ?

Anonymous kowalsky July 04, 2017 5:44 PM  

1/2

Sorry for OT Vox, but in the last few days I realized how my political point of view has changed over the last year and also how strongly I was influenced by this blog which I have been reading since. Your writing managed to clear out many contradictions I had in my thinking, straightened things out and made everything more reasonable to me. I just wanted to write this down at some point.

To put things into context: I am in my mid 20ies and grew up in a rural area of western Europe. If only people living in such places were allowed to vote, my country would not have had a single left leaning government ever. Most of the progressive/cultural marxist philosophy never captured the people out here. It just came out of the cities into the country side but never really convinced the people. On the country side, there is a coherent society with high social trust and lots of common activities and traditions, just as it should be. Among drunk groups of men, racist and anti-semitic jokes are just as common as a hundred years ago. Feminism has changed peoples lives mostly through idiotic divorce laws rather than by changing peoples mind. The greatest changes in men-female relationship came from inventions such as the birth control pill and the washing machine rather than a different understanding of women's role in society. Personally, I was never a right winger, though I know many of them. I have even held many views that were considered progressive among my peers and made myself disliked due to that.

Things changed when I turned 19 and moved to the big city to study. Suddenly, I was surrounded by many full-blooded progressives and me, the guy who was the progressive on the countryside, was the conservative guy. It took me a while to understand that. People never agreed with me on political matters, and those that did, they did it in secret when they were sure nobody was listening. Suddenly, in the dark corner of a party after they had drunk plenty of alcohol they'd come up to me with shaking hands and whisper in my ear: "Btw. I agree with you .. but dont tell the others!". In any case I could understand that people had different opinions and that was OK for me. What I never understood, however, was how people seriously believed that a birthrate below replacement level could not ruin the country, making it weaker, poorer and less important. Or how migration from certain countries can be a good thing: My country (not France, where I am posting from) takes detailed statistics saying that an immigrant from country X (i.e. Lebanon, Nigeria, etc.) is, lets say, 100x more likely to commit rape (which is not an exaggeration) and 50x more likely to end up on welfare. So how can somebody not be against immigration from such countries? How can somebody be enthusiastic about the growth of hostile minorities? There were several subjects where I simply could not understand other people, where I simply thought it was impossible to think different than me. Bringing arguments into discussions seemed to achieve nothing, except that you get hated for speaking the truth. I seriously began to question my opinions, and society as a whole. I was puzzled by this for many years.

...

Anonymous kowalsky July 04, 2017 5:44 PM  

2/2

Fast forward, I do not consider this people as 'my tribe' anymore. We are not part of the same group. We are extremely different. People with cultural marxist opinions are traitors. They are not simply people with bad opinions and wrong standpoints whom one can convert by using reason, as you point out very well in your book SJW always lie. They are enemies, plain and simply. They are no more a friend and no less a foe than any ISIS warrior, except that they are right here in our lands. In the troubled times ahead, they must be treated the same way the Bolsheviks treated the Whites. There is no need for pardon, as they would do the same.

It took some time for me to realize my own personal radicalization. I can not say that it didn't surprise me to some degree. However, I am a very rational person, and my political ideology appears to me more coherent than ever. Therefore, I'll go with it. This is the point where I have to thank you and your writing, because it would not have been possible without it. I guess I am somewhat alt-right now, without every having planned to be so.

Recently, I have been out on the country side again to visit friends and family. Discussions on politics came up here and there. Interestingly, my family agrees with me by far and large. A few liberals and cucks turned away from me and now see me as their enemy. That's alright, they are mostly losers and mentally damaged girls. The right leaning people have welcomed me with a smile and open arms. They were friendly and held no contempt due to my previously held liberal views (over whom I, much to my shame, have been very vocal about). No questions were asked, and they treated me as anyone of their friends. Though nobody said it, I felt as if they were thinking: "We knew you, and we knew you'd come back to us .."

In short, I hope you dont loose the motivation to write anytime soon!

Anonymous gxg July 04, 2017 5:52 PM  

...but in the last few days I realized how my political point of view has changed over the last year...

Interesting insights. I wonder how many of us have changed dramatically over the last few years. It's also interesting that "city folk" will sometimes agree with you in secret.

When the pendulum swings back, it will likely swing faster and more dramatic than most people realize.

Anonymous Daniel H July 04, 2017 6:10 PM  

Vox. Do you consider immigrants after 1776, from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland included as posterity of the authors of the Declaration of Independence?

Second point. Englishmen were not the only people covered by the King's benevolence and protection when the colonial charters were written. Eg. here are some notes from the charter granted to William Penn by Charles II.

"CHARLES the Second, by the Grace of God, King of England, Scotland, France, and Ireland,"

Charles apparently thought that he still had legitimate claims on France, interesting. England at this time was assumed to subsume Wales. But no mention of Hanover.

Charles was no more King of England than he was of Ireland. His Irish subjects were as dear to him as his English subjects were.

Furthermore:
"FURTHERMORE, that this new Colony may the more happily increase, by the multitude of People resorting thither; Therefore wee for us, our heirs and Successors, doe Rive and grant by these presents power, Licence, and Libertie unto ail the Liege People and Subjects, both present and future, of us, our heires, and Successors, excepting those who shall bee Specially forbidden to transport themselves and Families unto the said Countrey, with such convenient Shipping as by the lawes of this our Kingdome of England they ought to use, with fitting provisions, paying only the customes therefore due, and there to settle themselves, dwell and inhabitt, and plant, for the publick and their owne private advantage."

This clause attests that Charles and Penn surely anticipated further immigration, at the very least of Liege people. We can assume that these people were those mentioned in the first sentence: English, Irish, Scots, French!!! And further-furthermore, there were substantial German settlements in Pennsylvania by 1776. Could they have been covered as liege subjects by George I previous association with Hanover.

In short, I don't think that Englishmen have exclusive place in the establishment of the United States. They were certainly the most important component of our people, but there were other worthies too. And what is more important, these other people had rights under the Crown.

Blogger natschuster July 04, 2017 6:17 PM  

If you don't believe me about the letters, just do a Google search. And may Irish Dutch and Jewish qualify as white

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 04, 2017 6:44 PM  

Jews don't even think of themselves as white, dummy.
Shimson, a real stand up guy practically begged you to stop making an ass out of yourself in a previous thread.
Do you listen to anybody or do you just love to babble ?

Blogger dc.sunsets July 04, 2017 6:45 PM  

I find comments entertaining when it's clear that the commenter assumes his viewpoint is static.

The forces of change occur at a level of cognition equivalent to a phobia or a reflex, i.e., we'll prior to conscious thought, much less rational thought.

None of us is static. Our minds are changing right under our noses, and only the most perceptive and self-aware notice.

Blogger Thanks, J. July 04, 2017 6:52 PM  

Those of us of post colonial American ancestry of Irish and (especially) Italian and southern European descent need to sort ourselves out since many on the Alt-Right, Alt-(?), white nationalists, don't really consider us true whites or even American.

Blogger natschuster July 04, 2017 6:52 PM  

Is your post addressed to me? The point wasn't that Jews consider themselves white but that maybe they were considered white under the immigration law

Blogger Robert What? July 04, 2017 7:12 PM  

@Praetorian,

I don't know where you heard that Jews are not supposed to swindle Goyim but a Hasid will tell you that they are allowed to swindle and lie to anyone except other Hasids. Much like Muslims are permitted to lie to non Muslims.

Blogger VD July 04, 2017 7:16 PM  

Yes. A nation.

No. Not a nation by any definition or understanding of the term. And the empire that replaced it is failing fast.

Anonymous johnc July 04, 2017 7:41 PM  

Those of us of post colonial American ancestry of Irish and (especially) Italian and southern European descent need to sort ourselves out since many on the Alt-Right, Alt-(?), white nationalists, don't really consider us true whites or even American.

It's not going to get that dramatic.

Blogger Thanks, J. July 04, 2017 7:50 PM  

129. johnc, meaning? Maybe I'll just watch some more Jordan Peterson videos and clean my room.

Anonymous Grayman July 04, 2017 8:23 PM  

Somewhat related, Molyneux is back to full libertarian blindness, going on (in his latest call-in show) about how we have to get rid of the welfare state and big govt and then all will be well. As if that's ever going to happen at this point (if it ever could have).

For a number of reason that is so fanciful it's absurd. You touch welfare to any substantial degree and you have nearly overnight civil unrest. The same with big government, it's a massive jobs program. Maybe Molyneux was drunk!

Whether any of us like it or not the only solution is massive ethnic cleansing and mass deportation. As population level groups blacks and hispanics don't / can't maintain first world nations. Those 2 groups alone represent 60+ million people. Although you have to figure that at least 1/3 of those die off from starvation and disease when it all hits the fan and urban areas resemble zombie apocolypse.

Anonymous johnc July 04, 2017 8:35 PM  

@130

It's unlikely we'll see any repatriations of European-descended people. I know some have a very narrow definition of white and get into purity spiralling but that's going nowhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67AodOb1e4 (NSFW or the easily offended)

Anonymous Sharrukin July 04, 2017 9:16 PM  

125. Thanks, J.

many on the Alt-Right, Alt-(?), white nationalists, don't really consider us true whites or even American.

Most do consider south Europeans white, though not northern European obviously.

A different culture than that which founded the US and had some unfortunate adverse effects.

When things go sideways there isn't going to be any racial purity police examining folks. There will be your friends and neighbors who you stood with and fought beside...or didn't.

That will determine your welcome more than anything else. This will include Mexicans and Hispanics who suddenly discover their white 'Spanish' roots. Rodrigues is suddenly spelled as 'Roger". In some areas that will be allowed to pass and in others it won't.

Best advice if you are of 'indeterminate' ethnicity is do not be a fence sitter...pick a side and try not to piss your own people off. Also do not attempt to moderate others behavior. The part Mexican guy can't be the one to suggest not shooting those MS-13 dudes.

Blogger James July 04, 2017 9:33 PM  

1861 wrote:"Not a nation. An empire, established by force and held together by force." Yes. A nation. And yes, created by terrible violence. But it was that or relinquish our humanity, our duty and our future. So we fought.

Who is this loon? Look, Douchious Baggins, how does one "relinquish our humanity"? You will have your "humanity" until you die. Oh, you mean the definition associated with compassion? Guess what? Your compassion will grow and wane constantly throughout your life. Did you mean lose our humanity as some sort of metaphysical relationship with the Universe? How do you do that and who makes that decision?

And how would you relinquish your duty and who determines what an individual's duty is? Was it the "duty" of the South to stay in a Union which made it clear that the "duty" of the South was to provide agricultural supplies to the North as determined by what the North wanted? Was it the colonies "duty" to not rebel against the British crown? Was it the North's duty to invade and conquer the South when the South chose to dissolve the contract that the North no longer honored? A contract the South voluntarily entered into and voluntarily existed from. What contracts last for an eternity?

And you can't relinquish the future. The future will come and will depend on the decisions made in the course of events. The nation did "trade" a present which resulted in a future that we exist in now. Is this what anyone in their right mind would have wanted?

Your last sentence is hilarious. Who is this "we" that fought? It certainly wasn't you.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 04, 2017 9:51 PM  

Dear #2,

As a Christian, you're taught to love your neighbor - not to screw him over to benefit someone half a world away. The Samaritan didn't take the guy home And demand his neighbors pay for his care, after all.

Charity starts at home, doncha know? Christians know this, fake Christians, otoh ....

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 9:53 PM  

This will include Mexicans and Hispanics who suddenly discover their white 'Spanish' roots. Rodrigues is suddenly spelled as 'Roger". In some areas that will be allowed to pass and in others it won't.

they're not my friends

Anonymous Sharrukin July 04, 2017 10:07 PM  

136. andon

they're not my friends

Nor mine, but there are those who are friends with them and if they stand with them when it gets frisky they will be looked upon with more than a little charity. In some places that will make a difference and in others it won't.

For the most part it won't matter because most will leave of their own accord when violence and reprisals make them fear for their own safety and that of their families.

Even if some right wing Hispanic would rather stay in a majority white area, he may leave simply to be in an area where he doesn't have to fear what 'might happen'.

A lot of so-called 'conservative' minorities will see the attacks and killings of their own people and choose sides along ethnic lines.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 04, 2017 10:16 PM  

@131 Grayman
"Whether any of us like it or not the only solution is massive ethnic cleansing and mass deportation."

The cleansing part is absolutely true. Mass deportation, I seriously doubt, unless you are talking self-deportation. Those in this country as illegal aliens might save their oily hide by escaping back over the border but otherwise it is much too expensive and time consuming. If they run fast enough, they will get back to their own country....otherwise, they will not.

"Although you have to figure that at least 1/3 of those die off from starvation and disease when it all hits the fan and urban areas resemble zombie apocolypse."

Among Preppers there is an motto..."A Cave is a Grave." No doubt that is true, but a more important motto would be....."A City is not a Castle." The major cities are completely untenable, indefensible, absolutely dependent on outside supplies of everything imaginable.....water, natural gas, electricity, food, medicine. Once the bugle sounds, the major cities will be cut off and surrounded. Nobody will be allowed out or in. Depending on the weather, your estimate of 1/3 may be wildly optimistic. They will lose the electricity and natural gas immediately. The water may hold out for a day or two and after that the food becomes worthless, since there will be nobody left to eat it. Not a single city could hold out for a week. Could Americans do that? You better believe it.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 04, 2017 10:38 PM  

#125 - White is as white does.

Ted Kennedy, fronting for the demographic change of the Hart-Cellar Immigration Act? Not white.

Antonin Scalia - holding the line on the Supreme Court and publicly declaring his belief in a literal Satan to a befuddled and bemused media - Kekistani native white guy.

One minion's opinion, of course, but when SHTF your neighbors probably are going to be demanding solidarity, not genealogies.

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 04, 2017 10:56 PM  

None of us is static. Our minds are changing right under our noses, and only the most perceptive and self-aware notice.

That r/K filter sets up a nice framework. I look back at myself trying to fit in with rabbits fit a paycheck and scream, "never again"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 04, 2017 11:04 PM  

If the English are so bright then how did they lose the right to bear arms that they gained in their 1660 glorious revolution?
By letting women and Irish vote.

Anonymous Slim Jim July 04, 2017 11:09 PM  

I am a fifth generation military officer. 2 of my great uncles were killed in the Big One. By decent, I am an Irishman. If one hundred and fifty years of almost continuous military service, and the shattered bodies of hundreds of Confederates, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Iraqis are not enough to give my clan a seat at the table, then your entire system is morally bankrupt, and you defend it because it gives free riders a pass, based on their ancestors being better men then they are.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 04, 2017 11:16 PM  

@35 Ari Abraham

I say over my dead body. Many of us who are Jewish, Mexican, etc. own firearms.
---

You have to go back.

Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 11:18 PM  

"You might stay if you are buried here, otherwise you will not stay. To take this place from us will require more force than you can ever imagine."

You've misinterpreted the meaning of the United States and you've failed to recognize the arc of history. If fact, the U.S. has already been taken from you already. There is no going back to bondage based on skin. There is no going back to judging based on skin. You have nothing to fight for. Your ground is taken. There is no party to represent you. Pretending is no help. Today, and since 1861, America is a new nation. Inside our borders we now seek liberty and equality of opportunity as the ideal.

In the dark corners we see the past. You flail and wail. You wish for uniforms made of skin. You insist there is but one God. Science is something you put in service of the failed past. Nobody likes you. Nobody wants you war.

You lost. We are here. No one has the power to in the United States to tear down the bricks that have been laid so firmly.

Anonymous Luke July 04, 2017 11:19 PM  

johnc wrote:
"Your skin is your uniform. The first and probably bloodiest point of conflict will revolve around appearance. White vs. Brown vs. Black vs. Yellow. It will be a grand melee."

Interesting. I was thinking it would be a white-on-white conflict with the blacks, browns, and asians sitting on the sidelines and the jews rubbing their hand

My prediction: there will be these groups overall, more or less:

A) The vast majority of rural whites, the majority of suburban whites (outside Chicago/the NE/Left Coast), a sizable minority of urban whites, more than a few Hispanics deliberately choosing to pass for white, nearly all North Asians (that don't flee or are PRC agents), the rare blacks that identify philosophically with rural whites (nonblack/nongov't-oriented business owners, 10+ years in the military, rural nonpoor types, etc. that probably voted for Trump);

B) their opposites.

Trying to be neutral will often work about as well in the long run as doing so did in Border State regions during the 1861-65 War of Northern Aggression. E.g., not well, with consequences more immediate in contested areas, but possibly as certain in noncontested areas. Woe to any supposed neutral easily mistaken for loyalty likely actually given to the side not in control of where they live...

B)

Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 11:24 PM  

@128
"No. Not a nation by any definition or understanding of the term. And the empire that replaced it is failing fast."

Here is one definition...Taken from the Dictionary:

"a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory."

And the U.S. is within a particular territory. We have aggregated many people. And they share a culture, history. But also ideals. Yes...We are a nation. Born of blood, a blood that cleansed us of a wicked past that most knew could not continue. And it did not.

Anonymous Luke July 04, 2017 11:26 PM  

25. DeploraBard July 04, 2017 11:59 AM
"Stg58 already claimed house, car, and wife. You will have to settle for the children"

I doubt they'd be good meat, and I don't need any slaves. Best sold to Sudanese Muslims for the the latter if female (and for videotaping killing of while wearing orange if male), I suppose.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 04, 2017 11:28 PM  

1861 wrote:We have aggregated many people. And they share a culture, history. But also ideals.
No, we don't share a culture, a history, or ideals.
What culture, history, or ideals does a Yankee share with an illegal Central American gangbanger? With a Southron? Even with his cousins, the Mormons.
None.
None at all.

You make the mistake of believing your own propaganda. Because you're a moronic child molester.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 04, 2017 11:29 PM  

@146 1861
"No one has the power to in the United States to tear down the bricks that have been laid so firmly."

There are no bricks that cannot be torn down. None. Surely, you must know that by now.

Anonymous Sharrukin July 04, 2017 11:29 PM  

141. Slim Jim July 04, 2017 11:09 PM

continuous military service

There are blacks and Hispanics and others who can make claims of service as well.

It doesn't matter because the system is coming apart.

The Irish are capable of being part of a high trust society and that is what will matter in the long run. Military service to the Old Republic won't have anything to do with it.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 04, 2017 11:37 PM  

You make the mistake of believing your own propaganda.

He doesn't believe it. He's trolling with obvious lies to try to get an easy response, because he's too lazy to do anything more inventive. The style should be familiar by now.

Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 11:40 PM  

"No, we don't share a culture, a history, or ideals.
What culture, history, or ideals does a Yankee share with an illegal Central American gangbanger? With a Southron? Even with his cousins, the Mormons.
None."

They all share that arc of American history that leads to the ideal of peace, security, equality of opportunity

America could never set its sights on these ideals as long as part of the country was occupied and governed by the nasty defenders of slavery or Jim Crow. The arc is in the cleansing of the country of this original sin.

If peace, security, equal opportunity and the pursuit of happiness, all pursued without desire to marginalize or corrupt others is your goal, then you can be an American.

Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 11:42 PM  

"There are no bricks that cannot be torn down. None. Surely, you must know that by now."

Yes, they can be. But not by you. You tried. You lost. You were cast away onto a pire of indignity and the arc of history swept your type away.

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 11:44 PM  

The arc is in the cleansing of the country of this original sin.


the cleansing of this country will be begin with you

Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 11:46 PM  

"the cleansing of this country will be begin with you"

You're type had your chance to cleans me. Since then rights have been granted to those you'd like to cleanse. Power has been shared with those you'd like to cleanse. Parties have been cleansed of your type. Nothing of your type, that wants to cleans me, is left but corners of the Internet. You may have those corners.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 04, 2017 11:49 PM  

@80  That's not enough.  The boats should be intercepted offshore, their crews arrested and replaced by naval personnel, the boats sailed back to the nearest port to the point of pickup and the migrants discharged there, and then the boats confiscated and the crews prosecuted.

Seize a few nice, costly boats and the problem will stop pretty quickly.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 04, 2017 11:49 PM  

@151 1861
You want Peace? Hope for Separation.
You want Security? Hope for Separation.
You want Egalitarianism? Hope you end up in the part that supports that policy. Otherwise, you can go there.

You should choke every time you chant the word Peace, because that is the the last thing on your mind. You want revenge. You want to destroy people. You want to subjugate those who disagree with you.
Don't worry. You will get your chance. Just don't be surprised when the hunter becomes the hunted.

Anonymous andon July 04, 2017 11:52 PM  

154. Anonymous 1861 July 04, 2017 11:46 PM
You're type had your chance to cleans me. Since then rights have been granted to those you'd like to cleanse. Power has been shared with those you'd like to cleanse. Parties have been cleansed of your type. Nothing of your type, that wants to cleans me, is left but corners of the Internet. You may have those corners.


if you say it 20 times will it be true? will you even convince yourself?

Anonymous 1861 July 05, 2017 12:17 AM  

"Don't worry. You will get your chance. Just don't be surprised when the hunter becomes the hunted."

You and yours already lost. Over and over.

Ask yourself...why is their no representative of the people in Congress or in any assembly of the states who agree with your idea of separation. Not one anywhere, including from the South.

Your ideas have become polio. The disease will always exist, but it has been eradicated from the population.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 05, 2017 12:38 AM  

1861 wrote:If peace, security, equal opportunity and the pursuit of happiness, all pursued without desire to marginalize or corrupt others is your goal, then you can be an American.
Then we can, under your standard, morally, justifiably, and without remorse, remove Blacks, Mexicans, Californians, Central Americans, Somalis,
Marxists, Liberals and Jews.
And more importantly, you.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 05, 2017 1:00 AM  

VD wrote:Jews have some of the lowest firearms ownership rates in the USA.
As long as (((they))) can get )))others with guns((( to do the fighting for them, they'll be fine.

It's worked pretty well for the last century-plus, you have to admit.  OTOH the emerging consciousness could turn that around both fast and very, very hard.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 05, 2017 1:04 AM  

1861 wrote:"Don't worry. You will get your chance. Just don't be surprised when the hunter becomes the hunted."

You and yours already lost. Over and over.

Ask yourself...why is their no representative of the people in Congress or in any assembly of the states who agree with your idea of separation. Not one anywhere, including from the South.

Your ideas have become polio. The disease will always exist, but it has been eradicated from the population.



If that were at all true, you would not be here commenting. Of course, it is not true. You are sputtering and fretting over something that happened over 150 years ago. You did not miss your chance, bubba.....that conflict is long passed and you never saw a day of it.
You have no complaint....but you think you do.....and that is good enough, for you.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 05, 2017 2:01 AM  

44. DeploraBard July 04, 2017 12:42 PM
It was by your stone heart that salvation came to us gentiles



that was not necessary.

had the Hebrews not been of the spirit of Jonah, this could have all been taken care of by 500 BC.

remember, Nineveh was a city of Gentiles.

and Jonah lived at least 500 years before Christ was born.



126. natschuster July 04, 2017 6:52 PM
The point wasn't that Jews consider themselves white but that maybe they were considered white under the immigration law



this is true.

you may then wish to ask yourself why it should be that your brethren are so eager to deny their Whiteness?


141. Slim Jim July 04, 2017 11:09 PM
By decent, I am an Irishman. If one hundred and fifty years of almost



useless public education can't instill in you the proper form of "descent"
...
you may want to consider that you're living down to the worst stereotypes of the Irish.


one thing all of these Congressional hearings has taught me:
no one clings to the "honor" of their "service" to the country so much as the fucking slimeballs who are doing everything they can to fuck it over.

James Comey and several others over the last year spring to mind as examples.

Blogger weka July 05, 2017 2:04 AM  

The boats should be intercepted offshore, their crews arrested and replaced by naval personnel, the boats sailed back to the nearest port to the point of pickup and the migrants discharged there, and then the boats confiscated and the crews prosecuted.

Seize a few nice, costly boats and the problem will stop pretty quickly.


The correct and traditional orders to a navy was to suppress piracy and the slave trade.

Try the crews for that, in court-martial, then hang the guilty and burn their boats. Keep the boats of the mere smugglers as prizes.

It will require the dissolution of international courts and sufficient spine in the government to let their navy or privateers do the job.

The alternatives are less merciful.

Blogger Elder Son July 05, 2017 2:25 AM  

You have to be pretty f**king stupid to not grasp that America no longer shares the same ancestors, language, religion, principles, manners, and customs. And, has become nothing but a confused mixture of sounds and voices of tumult, turmoil, uproar, bedlam, and clamor.

Even Thomas Jefferson understood it when he said: They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its directions, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass.

The Founding Revolutionaries couldn't have dreamed what America has become. Nor could they have dreamed how the words That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed... has become so twisted and perverted.

Blogger papabear July 05, 2017 3:08 AM  

"If one hundred and fifty years of almost continuous military service, and the shattered bodies of hundreds of Confederates,"

Strike one.

Anonymous Pennywise July 05, 2017 8:00 AM  

Of course we are a nation. Those who state otherwise are both observably incorrect as well as logically nonsensical.

Anonymous Luke July 05, 2017 9:03 AM  

166. Pennywise July 05, 2017 8:00 AM
"Of course we are a nation. Those who state otherwise are both observably incorrect as well as logically nonsensical."

I am going to invoke a forum rule here. Pennywise, do you understand the difference between an empire and a country? If so, how do you defend classifying the U.S. as a nation (as you just did) rather than as an empire?

Blogger Daniel July 05, 2017 10:16 AM  

Only genexers can do that. And they are getting old fsst. Millenials wont do that. They videogame

Blogger nik July 06, 2017 10:44 PM  

The USA is a country, a nation, a state, and an empire. These things are not mutually exclusive.

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