ALL BLOG POSTS AND COMMENTS COPYRIGHT (C) 2003-2017 VOX DAY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. REPRODUCTION WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED.

Monday, July 31, 2017

Mailvox: the New Puritans

BA muses on the observably religious character of the SJWs:
Is it atheism per se or is it a mindset that may or may not include atheism? Or perhaps the old time heretics didn't quite have the nerve to go full bore atheist.  Specifically, I'm wondering if  the West’s, and in particular America’s, current political/cultural rift goes back to the Reformation and even earlier. Runciman discusses some on his Medieval Manichee.

 Adherents to the older Christian faiths accept and embrace the obligation of doing the right thing in both private and public life.  Live, stumble, sin, repent, pray, try through good works to be a better person because the final judgement is rendered at the end of life, so one had best be on the qui vive at all times.  One must also constantly examine  if what one is doing is right, and accept that all too often it will not be.

By contrast, for a certain kind of 16th and 17th century Protestant, grace, like perfect pitch, is a lucky attribute. One is born of the Elect or not, and nothing can change that.  For those with a guaranteed first class reservation to Heaven so long as they profess the faith, there is a whole lot of leeway in day to day life.  Better yet, there is a whole lot of self examination that one can dispense with.That sword of uncertainty simply does not hang over head.

 Which gets us to the modern secular True Believer.  If all is fore ordained and one’s place is secure (or non-existent, in the case of atheists), criticism (or destruction), the easier path, rather than creation, the harder, becomes the standard. Marching and emoting and punching Nazis is more fun than, say working the soup kitchen or helping building habitats for the poor or teaching the illiterate to read.*  Making errors (much less making up for errors) scarcely enters into the equation.

How  wonderful a faith is that?  No real effort involved, and if there are inconsistencies or temptations to act like a jerk, well, not really a problem because, you see – One is one of the Elect.   Too bad about the rest of you sinners.  Perhaps you should move down south with the rest of your heathen kind. Or just die.  And by the way, where’s my check?

Not surprisingly, for those few Elect who do create, the results are, shall we say, not sublime. And their jokes are terrible.

The roots for this mindset go deep and, no surprise, go deepest in states like Massachusetts. That it screws up the individual in small and society at large in any number of ways is obvious, but if one is a true believer, inconvenient facts are there to be ignored. They have to be. If acknowledged, they are shattering. I’ve seen it happen, as no doubt you have as well. Not pretty.  So rather than face up to failure, one must blame failure onto others.

Case in point - an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal a few days ago gave a whole litany of LBJ’s 1960’s Great Society acts and then observed that every single one of the problems they were meant to address had all gotten worse.  Mea Culpa?  Of course not.  The writer blamed Nixon’s 1970’s law and order policies. Can’t have been anything else.  It was a question of Elect and Non-Elect.  The writer’s solution was to get Republicans to join with Democrats and double down the policies of old.
There is only one answer to the ongoing question so often asked by the Right of the Left: are they evil or are they stupid?

The answer, of course, is "yes". As I mentioned yesterday, all of the Left's ideologies, from Marxism to Gramscian cultural marxism to feminism to atheism to multiculturalism to neo-liberal globalism are nothing more than the various skinsuits worn by the Neo-Babelists as suits them at the time. These diverse and incoherent ideologies are nothing more than rationalizations encouraging the adherent to condemn and attack Christendom on whatever grounds happens to appeal most to him.

And Neo-Babelism is more than a superset of useful ideologies, it is a religion, indeed, one could go so far as to say that it is the first religion.

Labels: , ,

75 Comments:

Blogger Phillip George July 31, 2017 8:46 AM  

Vox, you're just exercising Cognitive Privilege. Jethro Tull dealt the death blow to this bourgeoisie cancer of privilege in Thick As a Brick. Orwell's Pigs found the solution also.
#thenextmantraisboundtowork

#hightechfanforcedinstantmeditationincenseburners

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 31, 2017 8:50 AM  

They have one big advantage IMO, the conservatives follow them and try and make sense of their rantings, then the normies look upon the kooks and see a smidgen of legitimacy.

Trigglypuff versus George Will; Resolved, both need to be recycled.

Blogger darkdoc July 31, 2017 8:54 AM  

The tower of Babel is representative of man's attempt to climb up towards and invade Heaven and overthrow God - the ultimate of rebellion.

Neo-Babelism (in all its many modern iterations)is the same old religion - can man eliminate God?

But he can't - never could and never will. Hence, in the long run, Babel will always fail.

Blogger Phillip George July 31, 2017 9:03 AM  

#rebuildingsocietyonebulletatatime.

or, pray for those idiots before you have to spend more time with them.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 31, 2017 9:14 AM  

Neobabelism is the religion of the savage, whose only interest in in self-promotion within the tribe, all other lives be damned.

What you describe echoes Hoppe's homage to disillusioned, but not deterred Communists who wrote, The God That Failed.

Belief (sometimes called "premises") comes first. Only then do facts get integrated. Facts that conflict with belief are ignored or, if too large or noisy, their messengers are attacked (and murdered if necessary.)

Human social behavior is a seething mass of precognitive herding behavior, mixed with emotion, overlaid by tissue-thin veneer of intellectual endeavor.

Blogger SemiSpook37 July 31, 2017 9:18 AM  

Well, as they say, nature abhors a vacuum. If you're not going to take Christianity seriously as your religion, something's got to come up to fill its place. Now, whether or not said substitute makes sense to a rational man, that's not for me to decide. It's pretty clear from my view that it's just a big steaming pile of excrement. GIGO definitely applies in this case.

Want to have some fun? Tell one of these "intellectuals" that their belief "system" is its own religion. Watch the sparks fly.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 31, 2017 9:33 AM  

It all devolves to the herd's deep embrace of unlimited resources. When resources are free and unlimited, there's absolutely no reason to take the difficult road--always take the path of least resistance.

Buying social status by giving away the wealth (prior product, i.e., useful stuff created out of non-useful stuff via the application of creativity, work, prior capital investment, entrepreneurial risk-taking and wisdom) of others because, after all, IT'S UNLIMITED, is today's major obsession.

In the mid-1960's this belief ran headlong into what amounted to mathematical (accounting) limits so the definitions of what is money and what is wealth were simply changed to accommodate "free everything!"

When bonds bottomed in a natural rhythm in 1981, the Kracken was released. Wealth could now be created by BORROWING & SPENDING, it didn't matter on what. Guns and Butter, in ever-growing quantities, forever and anon!

ALL of this is traceable directly to the same seeds. The last 35 years are literally the Blow Off Top of a 200+ year rally in social mood. Like all 5th waves, the underlying "fundamentals" are weak, in this case truly gangrenous. Many of us sense this condition and, while we don't know exactly why, we act in a multitude of ways like Noah prior to the flood, scurrying about, trying to build whatever Ark seems most appropriate.

SJW-ism is a religion. It is the latest, and apex, iteration of all prior leftism, which as VD notes, is a religion all its own (I like the Dark Enlightenment's treatment of a lot of this, BTW.)

Humans haven't changed much in the last 20,000 years. Recording our innovations so that successors could ratchet them higher gave us antibiotics, decent sanitation, a cornucopia at the grocery store, intercontinental flight, plus the Fukushima disaster, globe-spanning military empires, ICBM's, sarin gas, weaponized Anthrax and who-knows-what-else.

Bull markets in commodities usually end amidst utter certainty that the rally has only just begun. They usually end when EVERYONE sees only reasons to believe continuation is assured. They usually end as evidence has already mounted, and then been dismissed, that the trend is over-mature. They usually end when the smart money (commercial traders) have left (or gone heavily short.)

Are we there yet?

Blogger The Z Blog July 31, 2017 9:36 AM  

I've written a lot on this topic. The connections between Puritan and modern Progressives is very strong. You can just go back a hundred years and read Progressive writing and see it is shot through with Christian references.

The Social Gospel Movement is the antecedent of modern Progressivism. It was, to a great degree, the child of social reform movements like Abolitionism. It's not a direct line between the Puritans and today, but more of a set of core concepts that have been re-purposed by new social movements.

For example, when you see the endless prattling on about "community" by SJW's, it is the same concept as communal salvation, which was a Puritan concept. The community will be judge as a whole, so the community has an obligation to purge itself of the wicked. That gives the anointed a license to root around in your life, looking for sin.

The Social Gospel Movement also attacked the concept of Social Darwinism. This is the true starting point of blank slate-ism on the American Left. Today's Left denies things like race and sex exist, for the same reason their ancestors attacked Darwin.

Blogger buzzardist July 31, 2017 9:41 AM  

There is a strong tendency among Catholics to lay blame for all of modern American society on Protestants, and Protestants do deserve a share of the blame. And it certainly is correct that globalism and social justice are the yin and yang of a modern secular religion. But Protestant theology is at fault for the denying responsibility for public failures and refusing to contribute to public good? That is a stretch.

In the 17th century, yes, there was a small heretic sect in England of Protestants who took the view that because election is entirely God's prerogative, they were free to do as they wanted. But this group was short-lived and ridiculed by most Protestants. The people we see in Puritan groups in early America were exceptionally dedicated to public good, personal responsibility, and creating and innovating. Much of what is America today would not exist but for what these people created.

It is easy to point to Massachusetts now as an example of how far from early Puritanism people have drifted, and yet "drift" is not quite what happened. What did happen was immigration. A lot of Irish Catholics took over Boston, and Italian Catholics as well. The shared community and ethic that could exist in a Puritan society fell apart. Many of the devout moved westward, while those who remained fell into pluralistic religiosity without any longer specifically adhering to a belief in God.

We can see just as many, if not more, American Catholics today who have fallen into social justice secularism. Assigning the behavior of SJWs to Protestant theology doesn't pan out when we look at how much of Catholicism has descended into SJW hell. There are Catholics who remain staunch in conservative beliefs, but they are about as effective as Republicans at conserving traditional values.

Meanwhile, a lot of Protestant congregations in the U.S. are some of the last, strongest bastions against SJW nonsense. There is a lot of illness within a lot of these churches, but at least most of them aren't converged yet, and many are vigilantly fighting against convergence as a part of their Protestant theology.

No doubt, social justice globalism is the "new" (old) secular religion, and it's adherents viciously pursue people for heresy and apostasy with all the vigor of the Catholic inquisition. But, culturally, this was born from America's first great immigration mistake, allowing in a lot of Irish and European people who didn't ever share American values. The pluralistic truce that they forged--live and let live, and get what you can, with little regard for anything bigger than oneself--grew out of a society that had already effectively collapsed under the weight of immigration. It was not that Protestants thought that nothing mattered because they were the Elect; it's that nobody had anything left societally to care about except in the abstract, propositional sense, which is never strong enough to hold a society's center.

Blogger Gromm July 31, 2017 9:53 AM  

I'm still at a loss trying to understand why these ideologies are so appealing to so many.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 31, 2017 9:58 AM  

No wonder SJW's love Muslims.

Doug Casey once wrote that Islam appeals to the dull-witted because it's relatively easy to get into Heaven; observer the Five Pillars and you're in.

SJW's undertake a similarly easy path. Rather than cultivating their own garden, they spend their days criticizing other gardeners while pasting duck-faced selfies on their own FB version of Better Homes and Gardens.

Why take the risks of entrepreneurship when you can vote for elected clowns who will simply TAKE the wealth of those who risked and succeeded, and redistribute it according to your egocentric version of "fairness?"

Voting? Risk-free.
Creating wealth? Fraught with risk. Most small business start-ups fail, taking their entrepreneurs' capital into the Abyss.
DOING something? Naw, it takes effort.
Voting? Easy-peazy.
Putting on a black balaclava and breaking things? Too much fun to describe.

SJW-ism is the ideal religion for Perpetual Children, for those who insist the teacher take the toys from the people who MADE them and hand them to those who DIDN'T, and who love to walk around the kindergarten slapping other children who they simply don't like.

Blogger James Dixon July 31, 2017 10:07 AM  

> Are we there yet?

No. And if Trump get his tax reform package through the current valuations may become reasonable and we'll be off the races again.

Now, if Trump doesn't get the money for his wall or tax reform, then things could get interesting. He has no reason to sign a budget that doesn't give him what he wants, so he may simply shut down the government (and you can bet that his emergency shutdowns will target the establishment a lot more than Obama's did). That could be the trigger for a massive sell off.

Blogger pyrrhus July 31, 2017 10:11 AM  

Both intelligence and the inclination towards atheism are highly heritable. So the same Calvinists who thought it was no problem, spiritually, to make their fortunes operating slave ships and hellish mills that employed small children, are still around in places like MA.....

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 31, 2017 10:23 AM  

Atheism is not, solely or primarily, a mental condition.

It is, primarily, a spiritual condition with a large secondary emotional component.

Calling atheistic neobabylonism a religion is 100% accurate but will not cause atheist heads to explode. Most New Atheists will say it is the only true religion, and it is such a shame it lacks a true liturgy.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 31, 2017 10:33 AM  

@12 No. And if Trump get his tax reform package through the current valuations may become reasonable and we'll be off the races again.

Perhaps. But I prefer a non-linear, endogenously-guided explanation for all this, so what Trump does or doesn't do, and what Congress approves or doesn't approve is meaningless to me.

Bonds, baby. It's all about interest rates, and since I see every reason to believe that NO ONE can actually manipulate them in any significant fashion, all that matters to me is whether or not bonds topped last summer.

If they did, the fuse is lit.

If they can rally again and reset the clock on their 35 year bull run, then there's no answer to the question, "how high is up?"

A chart of total credit market debt, the DJIA, SPX, or the sum of all real estate value in the USA, pick one and all I see is credit inflation for 35 years.

Something profound changed in the 1960's, and it hit the afterburners vertically a year after bonds bottomed in 1981.

Everything since then is just rationalization, and collective rationalization is fickle, obeying no man or men.

Blogger Harambe July 31, 2017 10:47 AM  

Gromm wrote:I'm still at a loss trying to understand why these ideologies are so appealing to so many.

They're all crafted to appeal to insecurities and depravities. It's not your fault if you can blame white Christians for your plight.

Blogger wrf3 July 31, 2017 10:53 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:Both intelligence and the inclination towards atheism are highly heritable.
If you agree with Hofstadter's claim that a hallmark of intelligence is the "ability to jump outside a system" (GEB, pgs 37, 478), then you can see why there is a relationship between intelligence and atheism. Morality places limits on where jumps outside the system will be punished. Intelligence doesn't want those limits. So if God is the ultimate source of limits, then it isn't surprising that unreflective intelligence would want to disregard God.

Blogger James Dixon July 31, 2017 10:56 AM  

> Perhaps. But I prefer a non-linear, endogenously-guided explanation for all this, so what Trump does or doesn't do, and what Congress approves or doesn't approve is meaningless to me.

All such things tend to have a triggering event, dc. I'm not saying those actions will be the cause of it, merely what triggers it. And it's all hypothetical at this point, merely playing out projections.

> Something profound changed in the 1960's

I'd say 1971 actually, when Nixon took us off the gold standard.

Anonymous kfg July 31, 2017 11:10 AM  

" . . . perfect pitch, is a lucky attribute."

Perfect pitch (the word perfect is used archaically here. In modern language it would be called "absolute," rather than relative) is not a lucky attribute. It is a function of memory and is trained.

If you can simply tell one note from another, i.e. you are not tone deaf, you can learn perfect pitch.

Like if you can tell good from evil you can learn perfect (relatively better) behavior.

Anonymous kfg July 31, 2017 11:15 AM  

"I'd say 1971 actually, when Nixon took us off the gold standard."

That only affected international trade, since the gold standard at that point only applied to foreign banks.

The big change was that in '65, when in America you could no longer go into a bank and exchange your paper note for silver on demand.

The constitution defines the dollar as silver. It is one of the few things that Jefferson and Hamilton agreed on and worked together to see through. If your dollars are not silver, they are not dollars.

Anonymous wEz July 31, 2017 11:17 AM  

Well stated buzzardist. I think most of this is spot on, and what I see as well.

Blogger Harris July 31, 2017 11:19 AM  

My father was a Calvinist Preacher, and the article misunderstands the practice of Calivinism. In particular, the belief of Calvinists is that true Election will produce an inward desire to live holy, and the evidence of Election is that the adherent lives a more holy life than the non-elect. Hence, Election is not an excuse to live an un-holy life, nor is it a license to sin without consequences. Anyone who lives an unholy life is revealing by their actions that they are NOT part of the elect.

The real issue is the FAKE non-elect, who want to be seen as the elect, and adopt a FAKE holy lifestyle to imitate what comes naturally for someone whose heart has been changed, and who truly desires to be holy. It is an attempt to acquire holiness by actions, rather than walk in the holiness that has been given.

The other issue is that people who don't understand the practical aspects of Calvinism, or grace per se, do honestly see it as a license to sin without consequences. And that is a normal reaction. A natural consequence of teaching Grace is the question, "Does sin still matter." Paul answers that in Romans 6.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Having said all that, it stands to reason that those who never were the "Elect" adopted the "holiness" actions of the society around them, and that perversion of Calvinism has led to a Calvinistic approach to Social Justice issues that leftists pursue. It is really a perversion of Calvinism, not true Calvinism.

Finally, I will say that I am NOT a Calvinist, but neither am I a pure Arminian. 5-point Calvinists do not believe Christ died for all, which is in direct violation of the Scripture. Understanding Scripture is difficult for non-believers, but the Bible says that will always be the case.

I Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Anonymous Grayman July 31, 2017 11:32 AM  

Yesterday’s post “Civic Nationalism fail” and this post tied together nicely with this video by Jordon Peterson (Jordan Peterson: Jung (Depth Psychology)):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw7NvWvwVCA (good video watch the whole thing)

The 3 items collectively answer some persistent points of debate amongst the alt-right, and definitely on this blog:

Who is an American?
While the answer to this is partially racial it is also cultural and self-defined (see 40:51 in Peterson video, with the money shot at 44:15 to 45:15). Each of us must “find our father”, discover our own deep culture. That deep culture is what will guide each of and determine what we are. The “Asian American” will most likely find Asian culture when they dive deep, the “African American” will probably find Africa when they dive deep, etc etc. There will be exceptions but the vast majority will be what one would expect.
The challenge that exists for Americans, but not for Europeans is a question of culture. American culture has been systemically deconstructed starting in the early 1900’s with aspects of public education and reaching its crescendo in the 60’s and 70’s with the cultural revolution of those times. It has gone so far that any suggestion of “American culture” is virtually considered racists, and evil in public forums. This defining characteristic of culture, that is critical to the founding of a stable ethno-state and arguably a stable nation, has been systematically erased to such a degree that anyone born after the late 70’s has very little experience of American culture except for the memories of those who lived it. The re-runs of 1950’s leave it to beaver is the closest most living Americans will come to direct experience of traditional American culture unless you are a boomer.
As I said yesterday the basic litmus test is the thought experiment of what happens when I put the people in question in virgin lands, do they rebuild an America or something else. If they don’t rebuild America you are not an American. “Mexican American”, “Jewish American”, “African American”, “German American”, “Asian American”…. Not Americans. This is not a judgement on what civilizations they may build but a simple observation that the products of these groups are not America and as such they are not Americans. Your grandmother from 3 generations back is dead and irrelevant, what you are, you will largely determine that, there is no easy checklist

..........

Anonymous Grayman July 31, 2017 11:34 AM  

COntinued:

White nationalists Vs Ethno-nationalists
As stated in the previous point traditional American culture has been largely erased, devalued, and demonized. Europeans do not have this problem to the same degree. Yes European nationalist cultures (French, German, Italian, etc) have seen deconstruction of culture occurring but not to the depth or extent that had been achieved in America). European cultures are still relatively intact. This dichotomy is the source of the constant confusion and battle within the Alt-right in regards to “white nationalism” versus ethno-nationalism. The Americans talking about “white nationalism” don’t have the experience of an intact legacy culture and hence their reference point is “white”. White is a common characteristic but not a defining characteristic for a western ethno-state. As Vox and others have pointed out the Germans, Italians, English, French etc., all see themselves as distinct and have direct experience with their individual legacy cultures. For them their defining characteristic is their deep culture and “white” is simply a common characteristic.
Americans will probably struggle with this difference until the cultural wars (and probably physical) have ended in the US and an American culture has been rediscovered. It is a huge struggle seen regularly from this blog to the msm cultural battles. It is one of the key battles because the re-establishment of a true American culture kills the “propositional American”. There can no longer be an “Asian American”, “African American”, “Mexican American” or any other type of cultural hybrid once American culture is re-establish, and that is a death knell for the leftist and everything they fight for, it is the death of their entire power structure.

The nihilist / post-modernist left and their motivations
See 8:05 in the same video linked above. Grossly simplified the left acts for the sake of acting and their morality is pure based on that they can get away with, based on what makes them feel good. Their opinions are no different than the word of God from their perspective, as they have “killed God”. For this reason the next crusade is virtually required for the west to survive the nihilistic / post-modernist path is self-destructive and without substance, it has only gotten his far because of the massive civilizational cache that the west has built over the last 300 – 400 years and has been consumed. From this perspective for the west to survive, to rise up again the leftist must be completely purged.

Blogger Phelps July 31, 2017 11:38 AM  

It's not an accident that the left commingled so easy with Quakers.

Blogger Nathan July 31, 2017 11:39 AM  

Regarding Neo-Babelism, the western esoteric tradition classifies spiritual pathologies into three broad categories:

1) God is evil
2) God is me (or my tribe)
3) God doesn't exist

SJWs exhibit all three pathologies to the Absolute in various ways -- they are in broad enough war with God that they are no longer just principled Atheists.

Blogger Cloom Glue July 31, 2017 11:41 AM  

@9 The third paragraph of the "BA muses" article did name a specific aspect of Protestantism compared to the Catholic church doctrine. You are naming historical immigration events of apparent data, as proof, without tackling, or by diminishing that big Martin Luther doctrine. I am making an observation that although "they must go back (Irish)" is maybe sufficient explanation here on this forum, the explaining of the Protestant doctrine, as a valid parallel to SJWism, was interesting to me, in the BA-muse article.

Also my experience agrees with you that internet Protestants are more effective at opposing SJWism, although I see a new effort by Catholics to be more effective.

I also note Protestants have a distorted view of Christian Catholic history and pound away at it, instead of at SJWism. (I do not mean you are doing it).

Here is some Protestant pounding, which I think is incorrect history, and I said so in the comments. They are invisible;ie. blocked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtF2vgPBWlY

Blogger dc.sunsets July 31, 2017 11:41 AM  

Let the purge begin.

Blogger James Dixon July 31, 2017 11:46 AM  

> The big change was that in '65, when in America you could no longer go into a bank and exchange your paper note for silver on demand.

I'm willing to accept that as a valid alternative theory. I don't know of any way to determine which was the more influential.

Anonymous Grayman July 31, 2017 11:50 AM  

@11 DC

SJW-ism is the ideal religion for Perpetual Children, for those who insist the teacher take the toys from the people who MADE them and hand them to those who DIDN'T, and who love to walk around the kindergarten slapping other children who they simply don't like.

SJW-ism is the result of the "death of God" as described Nietchze. Without God you have nothing to define yourself against nothing to "measure up to". If that's the case your will is supreme and in most, that will is fairly unpleasant whether it be an immature will that seeks only hedonistic pleasure or something more sadistic that believes their way is the only way.
That is why the left is so dangerous. They see themselves as gods even if they don't recognize that fact. So when they have some grand idea of what should be, anyone who stands against it should be crushed. What they never finish their statement with is "because you defy the will of god"

What they fail to recognize is that God is not dead, they simply turned away from him in their hubris and conceit, attempting to replace him. As a result the fruits of their efforts do nothing but wither on the vine and corrupt whatever they touch, they are cursed of their own doing.
AT the end of the day they must be treated like any other diseased plant in the garden, removed, roots and all to stop the spread of the disease and allow the remaining plants to flourish.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 31, 2017 11:54 AM  

James, to me the confluence of pulling silver from coins & the Utopian abominations passed by Congress around 1964/65 is not coincidence.

Specifics aside, going full FIAT for money was one of the essential ingredients (the other being a bond bull market) of our current credit mania and asset mania.

It removed any consistent yardstick for the money supply, and made it possible to enter the feedback loop of "borrow a dollar, spend it into the GDP-counting economy, but ALSO issue a bond in that figure, such that we get at least $1 of GDP plus $1 in IOU-wealth for every dollar borrowed and spent."

There's no such thing as getting $2 for $1. That second dollar in wealth is nothing but a claim on wealth not actually yet produced.

It is the ESSENCE of a Ponzi Scheme, and renders all other Ponzi's (including SS, Medicare, etc.) moot (well, it actually is their basis.)

Apparently this Castle in the Sky will be built to World Trade Center size before the "exogenous shock" hits it.

Then it doesn't crash. It EVAPORATES.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 31, 2017 12:00 PM  

Grayman, sadly, I see leftism as simply a collective term for what amounts to original sin. We're all born with the propensity to behave like spoiled children, or barbarians.

Leftism literally rationalizes envy and rage. Like being unhappy, it's a CHOICE. I do not think it can be excised from the human condition, only rendered powerless in the polity. And only temporarily, at that.

Utopia is not an option. Even if the path ahead eventually reaches renewal of what the West can be, it will eventually produce too much success and collective rationalizations for envy will metastasize again.

This world is not the Kingdom of Heaven. Life is struggle, and if it doesn't seem like it is today, (as you know), just wait a while.

Blogger John Milton July 31, 2017 12:01 PM  

Election appears in Paul's Letter to the Romans. Election is as part of Catholicism or Orthodoxy as Protestantism. You are retailing Moldbug's Puritan hypothesis, and it is half backed.

Anonymous Grayman July 31, 2017 12:07 PM  

@32 DC

I do not think it can be excised from the human condition, only rendered powerless in the polity. And only temporarily, at that.

I agree, but it can be removed as a substantial cancerous entity. You are right the propensity for it will always exist, but the established form of it must be crushed. Once crushed it must be forever guarded against like any other disease. Fail to maintain your society, culture and spirituality and the disease will pop right back up.

Blogger GracieLou July 31, 2017 12:08 PM  

Is anyone at all surprised that the little monsters Dawkins & Co. created are turning on them? What a bunch of idiots. It's like Sigmund Freud being shocked by the Holocaust (which he was). How could sophisticated people do such things? Impossible!

Anyone with a lick of common sense knows evil is an act of will and goodness entails sacrifice, neither of which has anything to do with smarts.

I have struggled lately, as I think many of us have after watching people we love go full Social Justice Retard, with the question of why people believe the crap they do, more specifically why do people believe lies? Well for one thing, they want to believe them. But they also (and this is key!) they trust the source. They put more faith in the liar than the truth-teller.

When you think about it that's the real horror of The Fall. Eve had more faith in Satan than her Creator. Adam had more faith in Eve and Satan than God.

Anonymous BBGKB July 31, 2017 12:21 PM  

Leftism literally rationalizes envy and rage

Leftism embraces all 7 but envy holds a special place.

"Equality is a slogan based on envy. It signifies in the heart of every citizen: 'Nobody is going to occupy a place higher than I.'" -- Alexis de Tocqueville

OT:Here the puritans are crying about Darwin defending the Southern Border. Border agents had a drug mule drink what he said was apple juice, but was liquid meth. His death probably saved several white lives.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexican-teenager-dies-drinking-liquid-081200419.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexican-teenager-dies-drinking-liquid-081200419.html

Blogger Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus July 31, 2017 12:30 PM  

It's all been downhill ever since the Catholics apostasised from the original apostolic Baptists and started trying to earn their way to heaven through good works.

Blogger buzzardist July 31, 2017 12:34 PM  

@27 Yes, BA picked out a particular doctrine, the doctrine of the Elect and the assurance of salvation. But Puritans were Calvinists, not Lutherans, and if you look at how those early Protestants behaved in America (and how many of their descendants behaved), it is not at all as BA describes. Where was there ever a "Screw it, I'm saved and can't lose my salvation, so I'm free to do whatever" attitude among Puritans? In their behavior, those people focused very hard on being good and doing good in this life, which stemmed for the terrible fear that they didn't actually know if they were the Elect. If Puritans had behaved as BA describes, his point would be fair. That they mostly behaved the opposite until several decades of mass immigration shattered the Puritan Northeast is a major strike against BA'S contention.

And, no, we're never going to send all of the Irish back, or the Italians, or the Scandinavians, or the Germans, or the Poles, or anyone else from those waves of immigration. That ship sailed over a century ago, and those populations are too interred to distinguish from the English anymore. But that melting pot of a century ago was part and parcel of the same pro-Babel religion that grips the Left and large swaths of the mainstream Right today. If we want to know where SJW behavior comes from today, we are better off looking at what gave birth to it than tilting at a theological windmill when it is observably false that said doctrine actually caused it's adherents to behave as BA suggests.

A mongrel mix of whites doesn't hold its head the same fine way that an original sire did, and we are going to blame some flaw in the original pedigree for that rather than the intervening generations that diluted the pedigree to nothing? That's nonsense.

The very best America can hope for now is to fight back decisively against globalism and social justice for a good two or three generations, meanwhile pushing back what recent immigrants can be pushed back, in the hopes of forging a new American race out of what remains. It will not be an America of English posterity, but something else of a different character. It’s either rolling the dice on that or suffering several generations of identity-based, race-based warfare that will hollow America out into a third-world ruin.

Protestants get plenty wrong about Catholic doctrine and history, but pretending that waves of Catholic, among other, immigration didn't fundamentally alter the social and political landscape of America is essentially condemning us to repeat that mistake over and over again.

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros July 31, 2017 12:45 PM  

@10 Gromm
"I'm still at a loss trying to understand why these ideologies are so appealing to so many."

Because if they were true, the world could be a much happier place to live.
If they were true, all of the flaws in human societies are caused by the political systems and cultural norms, and we are but a short push from global Paradise. John Lennon's "Imagine" can become reality, if we but gulag all the reactionaries.

And since this beautiful lie makes them feel smart and virtuous, they cannot accept that it is false. It is a powerful emotional and quasi-moral compulsion. When confronted with the failures of their lies, they do the exact opposite of admitting error or even nuance.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 31, 2017 12:45 PM  

@Buzzadist
Unitarian Universalust Church

Anonymous Grayman July 31, 2017 12:45 PM  

RE atheism and intelligence

I think that in many cases religion was traditionally transmitted more in the fashion of rhetoic as opposed to dialectic. As a youth i soundly rejected relgion for essentially that reason. I challeneged many people to put their justifications in dialectic terms but in my eyes, at the time, they all failed.
I did rediscover the pathway through dialectic but much later in life. In my opinion people like Jordan Peterson can potentially have a huge impact on the (intelligent atheist) group because he very effectively makes a justification for the path of religion. he may not be some pope or saint, but he presents a logical pathway that leads to religion without delving into a primarily rhetorical argument.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 31, 2017 12:51 PM  

In my opinion people like Jordan Peterson can potentially have a huge impact on the (intelligent atheist) group because he very effectively makes a justification for the path of religion.

If conversion worked that way, he might. I doubt that one in a thousand conversions are even justified by logical argument. Atheists are Atheist because they want to be Atheist. Yes, even you. Especially you.
Until they stop wanting to be Atheist, there's no reaching them.

Blogger Student in Blue July 31, 2017 1:00 PM  

Post-rationalization is a hell of a drug. And everyone's doing it.

Anonymous Grayman July 31, 2017 1:07 PM  

SNidely,

I'm not an atheist at this point and never really called myself one. My struggle was that the world views I was offered growing up (a choice between SJW or cucked churchian) never matched with what I saw when I looked at the world and rejected both, so who was i to believe? My personal experience was heavily impacted by someone very similar to Peterson with whom I had many deep discussions that ultimately helped me to find my own answers. Perhaps my path, my experience is uncommon and if that is the case then so be it.

Blogger dvdivx July 31, 2017 1:13 PM  

There is no mystery. They are antichrists and their god is the god of this world. Islam, Marxism, feminism they are all just a means to an end and that end is to attack Christ. The problem is the church now has been rotting from the inside for too long to weather this storm in the west.

Blogger Lazy Hero July 31, 2017 1:37 PM  

To be a liberal you have to be a brainwashed fool, most of their voters, or genuinely evil, their politicians.

Blogger Loyd Jenkins July 31, 2017 2:14 PM  

In the book of James, he says 'faith without works is dead' ... Jesus said you will know a tree by it's fruit.
Taking responsibility includes admitting you failed. But the obligation to try stays.
Too often, today's generation (SJW) ignore truth to hold their faith.
Look at the fruit. Accept the truth. Do better than before.

Blogger justaguy July 31, 2017 2:28 PM  

The Left enacted most of their far-reaching/cultural changing laws in the 1960's led by the Greatest Generation-- "Greatest at ripping off the following generations". Led by a dominant media elite, they heralded the minority of hippies and cultural changes as a majority and passed laws that disrupted society completely. Look at the black family in 1950s and now for an example, no-fault divorce, sexual harassment to take over HR and the work place relationships--- The disruption and terror unleashed by them has allowed the self-righteous pharisees of the new generations to preen and try to control us. Evil was the greatest generation in that in their hubris they led their country to destruction.

Blogger Durandel Almiras July 31, 2017 2:30 PM  

The American Catholics Protestanized. Your observations don't point to systemic issues of Catholic thought, you just noticed the Catholic Church was conquered by Protestant thought, with it's prime manifestation being Vatican II

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl July 31, 2017 2:50 PM  

@8 The Z Blog

I noticed this a while ago as well, especially after spending time overseas during the late Bush and early Obama eras. I came back to the US where there were discussions of things like potato chip taxes and candy bans. And then sex began to get regulated...

My thought was "the so-called liberals" hate fun, that's it. Like the Puritans, the only thing allowed in their utopia (city on a hill) is only that which has social utility. The only reason it seems the modern Left is interested in freewheeling sexuality and drug abuse is because those things (as you've pointed out on your blog) make people much easier to control.

Whatever the label, and I do like Neo-Babelists, their ultimate goal is unchallenged, naked power over others.

Blogger DemonicProfessorEl July 31, 2017 2:53 PM  

@42 Snidely Whiplash

Most atheists won't give up the goat because being atheist is a cheap way to look intelligent without doing any work. They're not going to give that up.

Why do that when you can hide laziness and lack of intelligence behind a veil of skepticism?

Blogger Serge_Tomiko July 31, 2017 2:56 PM  

"Why take the risks of entrepreneurship when you can vote for elected clowns who will simply TAKE the wealth of those who risked and succeeded, and redistribute it according to your egocentric version of "fairness?""

Thank you Ayn Rand.

Anonymous Clouseau July 31, 2017 3:51 PM  

I know it's off-topic but I wanted to comment on Vox Day's Darkstream on "Fake News, Real Posers at Politicon." He mentioned the problem of journalists with no real subject knowledge thinking they knew a subject if they had heard of it. I see this same superficiality and Dunning-Kruger effect in smartphone addicts who think that just because they can Google something on their phone, that suddenly makes them an expert on it. It's especially sad to see this in people with intelligent potential but who go for the superficial rather than study some things in depth. Is this just an American thing, or is it more widespread?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 31, 2017 4:29 PM  

"Mailvox: the New Puritans
BA muses on the observably religious character of the SJWs"

Vox Moldbug! The new leader of neoreaction! At least this was a lot quicker than reading a few hundred thousand words of "unqualified reservations," though.

On a more serious note, this can be a useful frame in which to view the decline of the West; but it's only one of several useful ones, of course. The map is not the terrain, and different maps emphasize different features.

Anonymous Bob July 31, 2017 4:36 PM  

The divide has never been left vs. right. It has always been voluntary vs. involuntary. That's why islam and sodomy are allies. When they talk about freedom, they mean you obeying them or racist!

It was never about lunch counters or wedding cakes. Always about you serving X against your will.

Blogger John Morris July 31, 2017 4:43 PM  

I'm not particularly religious but even I can see that the Progressives are very religious. They follow a very old religion. Compare their platform to God's Ultimate Listicle and it jumps out that they simply redefine the breaking of all ten of them into virtues. If they were the godless heathens they claim to be their moral code would be random compared to other religions' code but it is the exact mirror on one.

They lie about all of it of course, but somebody wrote a book about how SJWs Always Lie a few thousand years after some wise old goat herders wrote one about The Father of Lies. We can argue whether the book the goat herder's priests wrote was actually divinely inspired but we can't argue that the civilization it enabled is more successful than what the SJWs have done with theirs.

Blogger Robert What? July 31, 2017 4:49 PM  

@Harris,

"My father was a Calvinist Preacher, and the article misunderstands the practice of Calivinism. In particular, the belief of Calvinists is that true Election will produce an inward desire to live holy ..."

Precisely. You are not one of the Elect because you are obedient. You are obedient because you are one of the Elect. I'm not a Calvinist and I'm certainly not one of the Elect, but from a rational point of view Calvinism makes the most sense. The alternative is complete randomness: we're you in the right place at the right time at some point in your lifetime when Jesus was presented to you as an option by someone and you were in the right frame of mind at that moment to hear and accept Jesus. To me it is ludicrous that salvation could be so random.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 31, 2017 5:02 PM  

@30 Grayman


SJW-ism is the result of the "death of God" as described Nietchze. Without God you have nothing to define yourself against nothing to "measure up to"
---

I can't think of how to state this.

If we were made in the image of God, and yet
they don't believe in God.

They are made in the image of nothing.
There is nothing for them to measure up to.
They are nothing.
Or maybe they are everything.

There is something like this in their mindset.

Anonymous Grayman July 31, 2017 5:17 PM  

@58 Were-puppy

They are made in the image of nothing.
There is nothing for them to measure up to.
They are nothing.
Or maybe they are everything.


I understand your point and think its probably accurate. If you are everything or if you are nothing the end result is the same there are no limits for you, your will is supreme.... i.e. you are an SJW

Anonymous Jack July 31, 2017 6:45 PM  

@26 Nathan

That is a very useful breakdown. Can you refer me to your source for this?

Blogger Cloom Glue July 31, 2017 6:46 PM  

I will just leave this here:
http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2010/06/how-john-calvin-made-me-a-catholic/

Blogger Were-Puppy July 31, 2017 8:05 PM  

@53 Clouseau
I see this same superficiality and Dunning-Kruger effect in smartphone addicts who think that just because they can Google something on their phone, that suddenly makes them an expert on it. It's especially sad to see this in people with intelligent potential but who go for the superficial rather than study some things in depth. Is this just an American thing, or is it more widespread?
---

From what I have seen it's mostly millennials and maybe younger that do this.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 31, 2017 8:29 PM  

Some solid effortpoasts from Grayman in this thread.

Blogger DonReynolds July 31, 2017 8:43 PM  

The Puritans ARE the Social Justice Warriors, ever since colonial times, and have been the radicals and extremists throughout ALL of American history. They were the original Revolutionaries. They were the Radical Abolitionists. They were the Violent Suffragettes. They were the Prohibitionists. They were the Civil Rights Militants. They are the LGBTQRST Radicals. They ARE the Radicals in this country and have been for over two centuries and they are very proud of their "accomplishments".

The Puritans were run out of England and Holland before landing on the New England coast. From there, their Congregationalist church spread due West with the settlement of the country. Now their inherited mental illness holds considerable sway from the Pacific Northwest (Washington, Oregon) to New England. They are what Southerners know as Yankees, Leftist Liberals, militants, and radicals.

While Congregationalism is not confined to a single Protestant denomination. In this century, the most common expression of Congregationalism is the United Church of Christ, which was an amalgamation of various radical Reformed and Evangelical churches.

Blogger James Dixon July 31, 2017 9:48 PM  

> I see this same superficiality and Dunning-Kruger effect in smartphone addicts who think that just because they can Google something on their phone, that suddenly makes them an expert on it.

To be fair, given how far the term expert has been debased over they years, it probably makes them as good as most "experts" and better than a significant percentage.

Blogger themightypuck July 31, 2017 10:57 PM  

Moldbug nailed this ten years ago. https://unqualifiedreservations.wordpress.com/2007/09/26/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-1/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaF4lY3fmbE

Anonymous Those people, who are not my people, are not people August 01, 2017 3:01 AM  

There is only one answer to the ongoing question so often asked by the Right of the Left: are they evil or are they stupid?

Well, let's talk about who the Left and the Right are...

The answer, of course, is "yes".

Oh. So we're done here.

Those people over there are both evil, and stupid, and approximately half the population. So we can write them off completely.

Anonymous Yep, I've read it. August 01, 2017 4:04 AM  

Mailvox: the New Puritans

They're not Americans.

Anonymous Ain August 01, 2017 4:08 AM  

"If you're not going to take Christianity seriously as your religion, something's got to come up to fill its place."

There really are two faiths, Christianity and Babylonianism. As the first religion, Babylon spawned all religions that came after it. When God broke up the united peoples at the tower of Babylon, it splintered into different sects that are all a part of the same thing, and it has been a goal of high paganism (and NWO types) to pull them all back together again. This is why one runs into the same gods with different but similar names all over the world, with their own takes on Biblical events, albeit from the Satanic point of view.

Anonymous Anonymous August 01, 2017 11:19 AM  

What does "removed" mean?

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 01, 2017 2:44 PM  

Were-Puppy wrote:I can't think of how to state this.

If we were made in the image of God, and yet

they don't believe in God.

They are made in the image of nothing.

There is nothing for them to measure up to.

You really can't step outside your preconceptions to view things as others do, can you?

I can tell you that the idea that humans were "made" at all is nonsensical in atheism, but I cannot understand the concept for you.

Grayman wrote:If you are everything or if you are nothing the end result is the same there are no limits for you, your will is supreme....
Or perhaps you're a humanist, in which case the standard is "what's good for humans?"

Socialism of any kind is clearly bad for humans in general.  So's allowing people who think they should have no limits to get their hands on power.  You don't need divine sanction to justify keeping them out, just self-interest.

Blogger SirHamster August 01, 2017 5:14 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:You really can't step outside your preconceptions to view things as others do, can you?

I can tell you that the idea that humans were "made" at all is nonsensical in atheism, but I cannot understand the concept for you.



You don't understand the exercise. It is an examination of the failure mode of SJW thinking from a Christian POV. The soul made in God's image rejects that purpose and identity, and becomes nothing as a result.

It's not an attempt to view things the way SJWs do.

But as you say, you cannot understand the concept for us.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 02, 2017 10:25 PM  

SirHamster wrote:You don't understand the exercise. It is an examination of the failure mode of SJW thinking from a Christian POV.
To do what, scare the children away from SJWism?  All you're really doing is branding them as a variety of sinner.

It's not an attempt to view things the way SJWs do.
You'd be better off if you did.  If you grasped what makes them tick, you could possibly get inside their urge to control and bully other people and either turn it back on itself or even change it.  Consider what Vox does to mock the stupid.  If you found a way to mock SJWs in a way that triggered them, you could shut them down.  The same tactics would suffice to arrest any tendencies to go that way in your own children.

But as you say, you cannot understand the concept for us.
<shrug>  I just told you why such knowledge could be useful to you and society in general.  If this doesn't give you any ideas of its importance for the 4GW we're in, you're going to be a lot less effective than you could be.

Blogger SirHamster August 03, 2017 2:02 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:To do what, scare the children away from SJWism?  All you're really doing is branding them as a variety of sinner.

Which part of "examination of the failure mode" do you not understand?

I see you mistake the analysis for labeling.

"You really can't step outside your preconceptions to view things as others do, can you?"

Mr. Rational wrote:It's not an attempt to view things the way SJWs do.

You'd be better off if you did.


You misunderstood the exercise and now complain it's the wrong one.

You should change your name to Mr. Rationalization.

  I just told you why such knowledge could be useful to you and society in general.

What you actually did was criticize without understanding, and when your criticism turned out to be off target, you double down and pretend that it's some deep insight. Nope, just wrong.

Kill the Gamma. But you cannot, until you bend the knee in humility to Jesus.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 05, 2017 7:50 PM  

SirHamster wrote:Which part of "examination of the failure mode" do you not understand?
What failure?  Humanity as we know it is a happy accident.  One group from one of several species of fairly bright hominins decided to try life in areas where the natural conditions were so inhospitable that other hominins weren't interested.  Living in areas with extended winters led to a whole bunch of new selective forces, valuing tool-making, foresight and not being so ready to use violence because of having to live in close quarters in winter to avoid freezing to death.  This strategy was very successful for living at the edge of glaciers, and the tools and lifestyle appears to have stayed much the same for tens of thousands of years.  We call this group the Neanderthals.

Some time much later, a closely-related group came up out of somewhere (maybe Africa, maybe not) and met the Neanderthals; we're not sure what particular advantages they had, but they made it where few others did.  They inter-bred and the crossbreeds turned out to be something the world had never seen before.  Most of the Neanderthal additions have been lost, but the results of that combination created Homo sapiens sapiens.  Today, every race of humans on the planet except sub-Saharan Africans has some Neanderthal admixture.  Arguably, S.S. Africans are not truly H. sap-sap.  I have doubts about Australian abos too.

There was no image to copy.  H. sap-sap was something completely new, formed by the very process of overcoming challenges and selecting for the traits to beat them.  Environments requiring foresight to lay in food and fuel for the dark, cold, hungry months create a different people than ones where the threats are disease and dangerous beasts, many of the latter 2-legged (fighting all the time is good practice and keeps villages from getting big enough that disease can sweep through and kill too many at once).  In a very real sense we made ourselves... and we can un-make ourselves by getting too soft and losing our edge.

You misunderstood the exercise and now complain it's the wrong one.
I asked you what the point of the exercise was.  Preaching to the converted is not productive.  You can tut-tut at people who don't believe what you do, but they've heard it before and they're not going to change.

What you actually did was criticize without understanding, and when your criticism turned out to be off target, you double down and pretend that it's some deep insight.
I wasn't even talking to you.  I replied to Were-Puppy and Grayman.  Why are you even in this thread?

Post a Comment

Rules of the blog
Please do not comment as "Anonymous". Comments by "Anonymous" will be spammed.

<< Home

Newer Posts Older Posts