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Tuesday, July 25, 2017

SJWs always lie: Patreon edition

Patreon's ludicrously lame excuse for canceling Lauren Southern's account.
Hi Lauren,

My name is Max and I am a member of the Trust and Safety team at patreon.

Here at Patreon we believe in freedom of speech. We are creating a platform that empowers creators to share and debate ideas. When ideas cross into action, though, we sometimes must take a closer look at what our creators are doing with the funds they earn through Patreon.

It appears that you are currently raising funds in order to take part in activities that are likely to cause loss of life. We have therefore decided to remove your page from Patreon, and paid out your final balance of $95.00 to you.

We understand that this will come as a disappointment. Please know that we have come to this decision after a long review process and will not consider an appeal.

Thank you for your understanding.

Regards,

Patreon Trust+Safey
Never have anything to do with any organization with a "Trust and Safety" team. Fortunately, there are rock-solid alternatives on the way, as I will be announcing soon.

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79 Comments:

Blogger FALPhil July 25, 2017 11:05 AM  

"...activities that are likely to cause loss of life."

My bullshit detector is pegged.

Blogger Ken Prescott July 25, 2017 11:09 AM  

My BS detector went from beep-beep-beep to deedle-deedle-deedle to one continuous screaming tone in about three sentences...

Blogger RobertDWood July 25, 2017 11:11 AM  

Going to start calling these types of shutdown attempts by a name, a "Milo Moment", where the attempt to shutdown someone on the alt-right/lite spectrum brings far more publicity then damage. This lady could not buy this kind of publicity for $95, nor for $95,000

Anonymous Corvid July 25, 2017 11:12 AM  

So far we have Hatreon, which takes 10%, and Rootbocks, which takes 5%. Both are explicitly made to support the alt-right , so Lauren would never get shut down there.

If you don't mind having a jew running the backend, there's Counterfund, which takes 15%.

Anonymous It's a trap! July 25, 2017 11:12 AM  

She sounds like a man.

Anonymous Roters.Libs.Push July 25, 2017 11:16 AM  

Interesting to see if such claims, ever made to a third party, (that you were likely to cause loss of life) might be actionable as defamation/false light. Obviously, in this case it was made directly to her, and she broadcast it, but accusing someone of likely to cause loss of life is a pretty serious thing to allege.

Anonymous Thales July 25, 2017 11:17 AM  

"Trust and Safety Team" = Committee of Public Safety

Blogger Y. July 25, 2017 11:17 AM  

@5 It's a trap!

According to her ID, she's a man.


@Corvid

Pax Dickinson is Jewish?

Blogger Chad July 25, 2017 11:18 AM  

I have a sudden urge to reread 1984. Strange.

Anonymous Roters.Libs.Push July 25, 2017 11:20 AM  

Ministry of Truth.

Anonymous Michael Maier July 25, 2017 11:21 AM  

Sorry, I consider her to be another faux Alt-Righter who gets attention because of her breasts so I pay her little attention.

Exactly WHAT was she raising funds for that could "cause loss of life"?

Blogger SirGroggy July 25, 2017 11:22 AM  

Here at Patreon we believe in freedom of speech.

Liers.

Where the hell did this "Trust and Safety" terminlogy come from?

Or ... "Trust+Safety" (gag reflex)

I guess it's these converged HR legions of SJWs mass-produced from the humanities departments of the universities.

"The humanities might be done." - Jordan Peterson

Anonymous fop July 25, 2017 11:24 AM  

I watched for 7 minutes and she's still wearing her top. Wtf?

Anonymous Corvid July 25, 2017 11:29 AM  

@8 No, Pax isn't. He brought one (((Peter Belau))) on as his partner/CTO to build the backend of his website. Also, he's a "High Councilor" in the political party aspect of the site.

I think Pax's heart is in the right place, but if there is an alternative that doesn't have a tribe member with access to the financial data I'll use it. Anyway, interested to see if VD partners with an existing crowdfunder or makes his own.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable July 25, 2017 11:30 AM  

Sorry, I consider her to be another faux Alt-Righter who gets attention because of her breasts so I pay her little attention.

She's young, so she's a bundle of things, good and bad. But she's definitely brave, and she's taken some risks and put herself in a few scary situations. And her politics are evolving into activism, which is interesting and unexpected.

Blogger Salt July 25, 2017 11:41 AM  

She shoots left. That'e enough right there.

Blogger SirGroggy July 25, 2017 11:41 AM  

Sorry, I consider her to be another faux Alt-Righter who gets attention because of her breasts so I pay her little attention.

Different strokes for different folks. The rise of the Alt Right requires including a large population including young people and women, because we live in a democracy and need to include many types of people to become the new mainstream, otherwise we are doomed to be an irrelevant side-show like the National Review types. It's a culture war first, before anything else.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 July 25, 2017 11:41 AM  

By loss of life they mean they'll have to send Antifa to her appearances and they don't want Antifa to get beaten up.

Also, there are alternates already like Hatreon, CounterFund, and WeSearchr.

Blogger #7139 July 25, 2017 11:47 AM  

...It appears that you are currently raising funds in order to take part in activities that are likely to cause loss of life.

My BS meter under went a spontaneous thermal event when reading that sentence. I will need to have a new one installed.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 25, 2017 11:50 AM  

Well said Groggy

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 25, 2017 11:51 AM  

@11 Yeah, much better to have your message marketed by bowtie wearing fogies or ugly/fat/crippled/foreign lesser thans like the leftists.

Anonymous BBGKB July 25, 2017 11:51 AM  

Well they don't care about white live that the turd world would kill.

Blogger Nate73 July 25, 2017 11:52 AM  

I'm continually amazed by the SJW convergence of more and more companies. The only explanation I can think of is that Peterson is right and the universities are the cause.

Blogger Grandpa Lampshade July 25, 2017 11:53 AM  

"Fortunately, there are rock-solid alternatives on the way, as I will be announcing soon."
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I'm looking forward to seeing what this is. I looked into Patreon some time back and after reading what their version of "freedom of speech" doesn't allow, I didn't even bother.

Anonymous Roundtine July 25, 2017 11:59 AM  

Any fundraising that is gay or trans related leads to death.

Blogger JACIII July 25, 2017 12:02 PM  

The is no way to overvalue breasts.

Blogger JACIII July 25, 2017 12:03 PM  

+ boobies.

Anonymous Jeff July 25, 2017 12:04 PM  

In which Lauren and Britany Pettibone discuss stepping back to raise a family:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koj9V0e09Ic

Anonymous Not to Pepe July 25, 2017 12:04 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:Sorry, I consider her to be another faux Alt-Righter who gets attention because of her breasts so I pay her little attention.

Breasts, and really big balls. She's put herself at physical risk on several occasions. She fights.

Related: Tara McCarthy locked her main Youtube account (to private) yesterday due to a coordinated attempt to shut her down.

Anonymous Growled the tranny July 25, 2017 12:05 PM  

Isn't her main claim to fame being attacked at protests? Sounds like Patreon is doing the job her husband isn't doing.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 25, 2017 12:08 PM  

swiftfoxmark2 wrote:By loss of life they mean they'll have to send Antifa to her appearances and they don't want Antifa to get beaten up.

Also, there are alternates already like Hatreon, CounterFund, and WeSearchr.


I think they are referring to her participation with defend Europe. That org only risks loss of life in two ways. 1.) someone falls off their ship.

2.) In the abstract they are somehow successful in getting an invader ship to turn back home, in which case maybe the invader might die at some point in the future due to turd world conditions.

Seems like a pretty tenuous connection that could be applied to all kinds of other activities on their site. Might be time to start flagging SJW causes on their site, especially ones that revolve around importing invaders who will likely rape and kill western natives.

Blogger Midnight Avenue J July 25, 2017 12:08 PM  

Hard eye roll at activities causing loss of life. Whatever. Prove it. But they don't have to. I know.

Dawkins was deplatformed at BERKLEY of all places, for anti-Mooslim hate tweets. They really don't know where they're headed, do they?

Blogger Cataline Sergius July 25, 2017 12:09 PM  

I actually laughed out loud. The email was the funniest thing I've read all day.

Blogger Lovekraft July 25, 2017 12:09 PM  

'could cause loss of life'

facepalm.

they're not even trying anymore. Heard a funny line recently about how an SJW future will involve us keeping silent or talking about only about sports or weather.

Anonymous Raker Tooth July 25, 2017 12:12 PM  

"I have more support than ever right now". Good. Maybe she secured the domain name "patreonsucks.com" but doesn't have a site up yet? Can't find it.

Blogger Philip Morris July 25, 2017 12:19 PM  

@35. Site now up (17:19 BST)

Blogger Cail Corishev July 25, 2017 12:23 PM  

That's some slick weasel language, since they never say they think she's going to cause loss of life to someone else. They can claim they're worried about her life, like they're doing it for her own good. I assume that's what leftists on social media will claim.

So far we have Hatreon

I'm not that familiar with how these things work, but this in the fine print at Hatreon gave me pause (my emphasis):

"By posting content to Hatreon you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, sublicensable, worldwide license to use, reproduce, distribute, perform, publicly display or prepare derivative works of your content. The purpose of this license is to allow us to operate Hatreon, promote Hatreon and promote your content on Hatreon. We are not trying to steal your content or use it in an exploitative way."

That sounds to me like they can do pretty much anything they want with works you distribute through them. So if you put up a short story as a reward, they can take it and publish it in some other work of theirs. It says they're not trying to steal your content, but it reads like this gives them the legal right to do so. Am I misreading it?

Anonymous Frank Lin July 25, 2017 12:24 PM  

Not even. Glaciers are sexist, after all.

Anonymous Phil Mann July 25, 2017 12:27 PM  

Any time they begin with, "We believe in freedom of speech," you can be sure they don't.

Blogger Zaklog the Great July 25, 2017 12:32 PM  

Never have anything to do with any organization with a "Trust and Safety" team.

Perhaps Infogalactic and Gab should have a Paranoia & Peril Team.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky July 25, 2017 12:33 PM  

What revolting petty tyrants at Patreon. This is idiotic to the level of brand destruction.

Blogger Cloudswrest July 25, 2017 12:34 PM  

Just like those politicians who claim, "I believe in the Second Amendment BUT..." Once you hear the "but" you know.

Anonymous Raker Tooth July 25, 2017 12:43 PM  

@36 Thanks. That would be this link:
https://patreonsucks.com/

Anonymous MongoJimmy July 25, 2017 12:46 PM  

Their narrative: She's cruising around the Mediterranean with sea skinheads harpooning rubber rafts filled with innocent refugees seeking a better life! Someone's gonna drown!

Or something like that.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 25, 2017 12:48 PM  

In the end, we're going to wind up with an entire SJW-free Internet ecosphere. Which will probably wind up eating the old SJW-sphere as they keep doubling down.

Blogger seeingsights July 25, 2017 12:52 PM  

Actually what she is doing--preventing migrants coming to Europe--will save lives in the long run.

Anonymous VFM #6306 July 25, 2017 12:55 PM  

Wise Guy
Whack
Spring Cleaning
Trust and Safety

Everything means something a little different in the mafia. Fuggetaboutit.

Blogger S1AL July 25, 2017 12:55 PM  

"Sorry, I consider her to be another faux Alt-Righter who gets attention because of her breasts so I pay her little attention."

We'll set aside the fact that she's been more publicly active than most "alt-righters" to address the other issue?

Specifically: why is it bad that she's attractive? Would you prefer ugly, shriveled, shrewish harridans? The left had those in spades, so...

Anonymous basementhomebrewer July 25, 2017 12:56 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:That's some slick weasel language, since they never say they think she's going to cause loss of life to someone else. They can claim they're worried about her life, like they're doing it for her own good. I assume that's what leftists on social media will claim.

So we have a black knight opportunity here. Start flagging all SJW cat lady patreon accounts. Giving them money will surely result in them purchasing more ice cream and Doritos which imperils their lives.

Blogger Elder Son July 25, 2017 1:03 PM  

In the end, we're going to wind up with an entire SJW-free Internet ecosphere.

In the long run, no. You won't. Global Internet Governance will see to it that you don't.

OpenID markstoval July 25, 2017 1:05 PM  

Important News On SJWs

I wanted to Tweet this post on Twitter. So, I copied the title and put that in my tweet along with the URL.

When I tweeted, I was told by twitter that the tweet looked "automated" and I could not tweet that "at this time" and to try later. I used bitly to shorten the url and twitter took that just fine.

Looks like anything that has "voxday.blogspot.com" in it is on someone's naughty list. ... FYI

Blogger WATYF July 25, 2017 1:06 PM  

Hatreon, which takes 10%, and Rootbocks, which takes 5%... If you don't mind having a jew running the backend, there's Counterfund, which takes 15%.

I can't be the only one who chuckled at this.

WATYF

Blogger Resident Moron™ July 25, 2017 1:07 PM  

So Patreon close a US Govt account since it routinely engages in actions likely to lead to loss of life...

Anonymous MongoJimmy July 25, 2017 1:10 PM  

@47 The SJWs need a little Tuning Up. It'll be fine.

Anonymous Corvid July 25, 2017 1:13 PM  

@37 No, you are technically correct that they could steal someone's work. However, this would be harmful to their business model since they get paid when someone signs up to support a creator. If they started stealing subscriber content and publishing it somewhere, that would disincentivize people to support the content creator and Hatreon loses their 10%. I imagine they'd make far more taking that cut than trying to make youtube ad revenue on reposted paywall videos.

I think that passage is so they could take short clips from podcasts/use imagery of content creators for ads to drive people to Hatreon.

Anonymous MongoJimmy July 25, 2017 1:19 PM  

@52 The unvarnished Truth plainly spoken oft tends oddly towards hilarity.

Anonymous WaterBoy July 25, 2017 1:25 PM  

Cail Corishev @37: "That sounds to me like they can do pretty much anything they want with works you distribute through them."

That sounds very similar to the Google (owner of Blogger) Terms of Service:

"Your Content in our Services

Some of our Services allow you to upload, submit, store, send or receive content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours.

When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services.
"

IANAL but from what I've seen, this is standard legalese for content publishers and applies to all of your comments here.

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable July 25, 2017 1:27 PM  

She's cruising around the Mediterranean with sea skinheads harpooning rubber rafts filled with innocent refugees seeking a better life! Someone's gonna drown!

And?

Anonymous Hezekiah Garrett July 25, 2017 1:30 PM  

So how do you join the Sea Skinheads? That sounds awesome! We never harpooned anything in Sea Scouts.

Anonymous BBGKB July 25, 2017 1:45 PM  

Any fundraising that is gay or trans related leads to death.

Please donate to BGS's 7.62 ammo fund.

Hatreon, which takes 10%, and Rootbocks, which takes 5%... If you don't mind having a jew running the backend, there's Counterfund, which takes 15%.

When you lay the choice out like that

Anonymous MongoJimmy July 25, 2017 2:06 PM  

@58 ...And that's what Patreon envisions as "activities that are likely to cause loss of life". The Sea Skinheads are going to have to find another crowdfunding source, though. I doubt Patreon will approve.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 25, 2017 2:25 PM  

It greatly amuses me to taunt SJW and to see them double down.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 25, 2017 2:48 PM  

I think the "she's just a good looking chick who gets unearned attention" criticism is completely unfair inre Lauren. She's smart and brave. And she's actually doing something, which is much more than almost all of us can say, that's for sure.

Do I wish she'd just come straight out and be unabashedly ethnonationalist? Sure. But in the mean time she's very valuable to our movement, even without that. Who knows, maybe even more so because of it. I don't pretend to know what the absolute best approach is at this time. We'll see.

Blogger Kristophr July 25, 2017 3:21 PM  

Why not just use Paypal?

You can do ongoing monthly contributions with paypal, and they only take 2.75%.

Blogger DonReynolds July 25, 2017 3:46 PM  

Whatever the circumstances, even if it is not a criminal matter....and it is impossible to know what might LATER be considered a criminal matter, once the powers that be put their shared mind to it....there are minimum number of steps that should apply. Yes, even with the small stuff....because we cannot know what might become a fairly serious matter later.

1. Every American should be informed of what they (maybe) did, as soon as it becomes a complaint. Instantaneously would not be impossible or too much to ask. People should know that a complaint has been lodged ASAP so they can elect to participate in their own examination. No one should be tried in absentia or without even knowing that allegations have been made.

2. Americans should be able to face their accuser. Well....perhaps not in person, especially on the internet, but they should know WHO is their accuser and what are they accused of doing or not doing. At a minimum, that would be providing the accused with a copy of the complaint, whether it originated with the staff or the public. The complaint should specify that said American personally caused the offense and any supporting emails or comments that specifically caused the complaint.

3. NO American should ever be accused of wrong-doing, if it is not considered wrong-doing if someone else does the same thing. And this should be a sufficient defense to get the matter dismissed. Nothing can be wrong because someone we do not like or agree with does it, even if there is a rule against it, if the same behavior would be tolerated by any other person.

4. EVERY American must be permitted to make a statement on their own behalf BEFORE a decision is made and AFTER all the evidence is examined. It should not be possible to decide that someone is guilty of whatever infraction or rule violation without ever giving them a reasonable opportunity to speak for themselves. Of course, such an opportunity should not be made AFTER the decision or during the hanging. (Yes, it should always be possible to appeal to higher authority BEFORE the decision is final and BEFORE any enforcement or penalty actions are taken.)

Blogger Melampus the Seer July 25, 2017 3:51 PM  

Sue them. Make them live uo to their own rules.

Blogger VD July 25, 2017 3:54 PM  

Important News On SJWs

It. Is. Not. News. FFS. It has been that way for nine months now. Why do you think people here, of all places, don't know that. You have to like to .it or .de or the like.

Sue them. Make them live uo to their own rules.

Only people who know nothing about the legal system or how much lawsuits cost say "sue them!"

Blogger DonReynolds July 25, 2017 4:08 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:'could cause loss of life'

facepalm.

they're not even trying anymore. Heard a funny line recently about how an SJW future will involve us keeping silent or talking about only about sports or weather.


I seriously doubt the SJWs will permit ANY discussion of the weather unless it supports the current global warming (or cooling, whichever). So any snide anti-revolutionary remarks regarding the weather are very likely going to be repeated to the block commissar, who will come check your privilege (and your attitude).

Sports is already so sensitive with SJWs on ESPN, they really had rather talk about just about anything else....besides sports. And just you watch yourself....if you should mention a player who is known to be two or more of the 58 separate genders, or the fact that a professional basketball player appears to be black on the court, or the religion or political views of any of the hundreds of sports figures....including those who make big bucks talking about everything but sports, but never participated. Yes, sportcasters are the priesthood of sports. The coaches are just the Dukes and Earls.

Anonymous Johnny Mayonnaise July 25, 2017 4:26 PM  

What's creepy and disturbing is the tone ...

"Hi, Lauren"
"My name is Max"
"Thank you for your understanding"
"Regards"

Reminds me of the T-1000 in Terminator 2:
"Say ... that's a nice bike ..."

Blogger LP9 July 25, 2017 4:41 PM  

Yes, these template letters or send off shut down letters are totally creep as sjws are also lying creeps. Eww.

Again, another time we observe within one month(!) like St. Elfwick, another beautiful kind intelligent superior young person is silenced and assailed for nothing.

With no recourse at all
(patreon) per "pat'ism policy."

Great, its more support for Lauren and her book. Next up, Audit Patreon.

Pray for us St. Lauren.

Blogger LP9 July 25, 2017 4:43 PM  

Rules? They already violated their own policy (handbook is for "special chosens" not Lauren)and parade around like they are above the law. Good, keep it up Pat.

Blogger The Morrigan July 25, 2017 5:27 PM  

>loss of life

Well, Surrey is pretty dangerous.

Blogger The Morrigan July 25, 2017 5:32 PM  

@15 She is the next Mercedes Stephenson or Ann Coulter, could go either way. Great PR and easy on the eye, I wish her well.

Anonymous WaterBoy July 25, 2017 6:01 PM  

DonReynolds @65: "Whatever the circumstances, even if it is not a criminal matter....there are minimum number of steps that should apply. Yes, even with the small stuff..."

Whatever the circumstances...like, say...oh, I dunno...maybe a Blogger troll?

Good luck convincing Vox that he should apply these steps to the Rules of the Blog.

Anonymous MongoJimmy July 25, 2017 6:14 PM  

"Hi Jews. My name is Rolf. You are all cordially requested to convene at Shower Room 9 tomorrow morning at 6am sharp. Please remove all jewelry and clothing on arrival and enjoy your last few minutes before entering the afterlife. Remember every moment is a precious gift and have a wonderful evening as you will be dead shortly. Thank you for your understanding.

Regards, Ubergruppenfuhrer Schutz

PS: Please excuse my spelling. I cannot access the umlauts on my typewriter. Modern technology is really quite infuhreriating sometimes (a small joke)."

Blogger Brian H July 25, 2017 7:06 PM  

Her real surname is Jewish...Simonsen?

Anonymous Cassie July 25, 2017 9:07 PM  

The progressive left wants everyone who disagrees with them jobless, homeless, and starving on the streets.

Bring on the helicopter rides!

Blogger SmockMan July 25, 2017 9:13 PM  

By that standard, patreon should ban all muslims who engage in Islam.

Blogger kurt9 July 26, 2017 12:25 AM  

I would say add Max's name to the SJW blacklist.

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