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Saturday, July 29, 2017

Target USA

The mainland USA is now in range of a North Korean ICBM:
North Korea fired a missile on Friday that experts said was capable of striking Los Angeles and other U.S. cities and the United States and South Korea responded by staging a joint missile exercise, the South Korean news agency Yonhap said.

The Trump administration, which has branded North Korea the "most urgent and dangerous threat to peace," condemned the launch as reckless.

"By threatening the world, these weapons and tests further isolate North Korea, weaken its economy, and deprive its people," President Donald Trump said in a statement. "The United States will take all necessary steps to ensure the security of the American homeland and protect our allies in the region."

The unusual late-night launch added to exasperation in Washington, Seoul and Tokyo over Pyongyang's continuing development of nuclear weapons and intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). Friday's test prompted U.S. and South Korean military officials to discuss military response options.... The launch from North Korea's northern Jangang province took place at 11:41 p.m. (1441 GMT), an official at South Korea's Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said.

Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said the missile flew for about 45 minutes before apparently landing in the waters of Japan's exclusive economic zone.

Japanese broadcaster NHK, citing a military official, said the missile reached an altitude of more than 3,000 km (1,860 miles). The South Korean military said the missile was believed to be an ICBM-class, flying more than 1,000 km (620 miles) and reaching an altitude of 3,700 km (2,300 miles). In Washington, the Pentagon also said it had assessed that the missile was an ICBM.

U.S. officials said the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the Pentagon spy agency, has determined that North Korea will be able to field a reliable nuclear-capable ICBM by next year, earlier than previously thought.

Jeffrey Lewis of the California-based Middlebury Institute of International Studies said the launch showed Los Angeles was within range of a North Korean missile, with Chicago, New York and Washington, just out of reach.

"They may not have demonstrated the full range. The computer models suggest it can hit all of those targets," he said.

The U.S.-based Union of Concerned Scientists said its calculations showed the missile could have been capable of going as far into the United States as Denver and Chicago.
The potential cost of dealing with a nuclear North Korea is only going to go up from here. The question is, are Russia and China on board with a US attempt to remove the North Korean threat or is a nuclear North Korea simply something that the world will have to accept, as it has accepted a nuclear Pakistan, Israel, and Iran.

There are no good options here, only varying degress of slightly less bad. I don't know if Trump will actually dare to grasp the nettle, but I think he's much more likely to do so than Bush, Clinton, or Obama were.

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Anonymous Rocklea July 29, 2017 6:19 AM  

And then there's this little gem from the pre Carlos Slim days;
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/19/world/clinton-approves-a-plan-to-give-aid-to-north-koreans.html?pagewanted=all ;
and thank you Bill, wonder if he smoked a cigar afterwards.

As an aside, here we have a country with no interest in free trade, no immigration, ZFG on diversity and yet, they have been able to develop sufficient industrial base to build ICBM and enrich enough material for nuclear weapons. Props to the happy clappy little dictator. I can't see Russia caring too much over this, unless and until Putin can trust the US.

Blogger Lazarus July 29, 2017 6:30 AM  

DPRK News Service‏ @DPRK_News 13h13 hours ago

US and south Korea political dwarfs impotently hurl rockets into East Sea of Korea, as an onanist spills his seed onto barren fruitless soil

Anonymous james July 29, 2017 6:31 AM  

hope russian and china will help ? ... this whole thing is being facilitated by russia and china.. it has Putins hands all over it...

Anonymous dystonia July 29, 2017 6:32 AM  

Let them nuke LA, then North Korea gets turned into glowing glass. Not seeing any downsides here.

Blogger Desillusionerad July 29, 2017 6:33 AM  

In practice this doesn't really matter.
The north Koreans already have a sufficiently deadly arseal to make military options problematic.
Long before any icbm launch, North Korea will have shelled Seoul and struck at Japan. So unless the US is willing to uterly ignore it's allies position, their hands are already tied.
The only danger lies in if NK thinks it's ability strike at the US will deter the US from retaliating against it if it makes any moves.
This is reminiscent over EU fears that the US wuldnt risk nuclear holocaust to defend them.
The solution then was a few thousand US marines deployed to the likely invasion points, not because they could repel the soviets, but to ensure they died in any soviet offensive.
This assured the Europeans that the US would respond.

Blogger ZhukovG July 29, 2017 6:42 AM  

@james: What evidence do you have that Russia or even China is providing technical assistance? Rather the bumbling efforts of North Korea, imagine the 3 Stooges as Nuclear Physicists, point to an entirely home grown effort.

The only thing Russia and China have done, is let it happen. Which the US, Japan and S Korea have also done.

Anonymous Rocklea July 29, 2017 6:50 AM  

Is the DPRK alt right? I was going to say minus Christianity, but then there is this;
"US and south Korea political dwarfs impotently hurl rockets into East Sea of Korea, as an onanist spills his seed onto barren fruitless soil"; I guess they know their enemy too.

I think this is quite literally MAD. Let him declare himself the winner with a 50 year reunification plan and a hereditary Kim titular monarchy.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 29, 2017 6:58 AM  

If this results in nuclear warheads being targeted at LA and SF rather than Tokyo, it is a positive development.

Anonymous Alice De Goon July 29, 2017 7:02 AM  

*Bored-sounding voice*: Oh no, please don't nuke Los Angeles, Mr. Un. Where would we get our sit-coms featuring little transsexual 6 year old boys wearing ball-gags? Where would we get our science fiction and superhero films filled with cookie-cutter "strong, independent", roundhouse-kicking wymyn who become automatically expert at everything they try their hand at without any prior exposure to said things? Where would we get our LGBTBBQ dramas featuring attractive people of color tossing sticky double-sided dildos onto their bedroom floors after sex and shoving their faces into each other's asses? Please, Mr Un. I couldn't stand a world where these things didn't exist. (Oh, and please don't nuke Oregon while you're at it. Just knowing there are people out there who can vivisect their unborn children at taxpayer's expense just warms the cockles of my black, I mean, African American heart. Please don't NUKE THEM, Mr. UN!)

Anonymous zebedee July 29, 2017 7:04 AM  

China and Russia will do nothing to ease American discomfort until it appears they have something to lose, either through the defeat of their client, North Korea, or a regional arms race should Japan or South Korea decide that they need to acquire nukes of their own in order to create a credible deterrent.

Blogger Salt July 29, 2017 7:06 AM  

is a nuclear North Korea simply something that the world will have to accept, as it has accepted a nuclear Pakistan, Israel, and Iran.

Part and parcel of living in a modern world. We'll have to get used to it, according to Sadiq Khan.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 29, 2017 7:12 AM  

@9 There is a downside. If LA is nuked, part of the wall might be damaged. I don't want to rely on radioactivity to dissuade Mexicans from coming.

Blogger JACIII July 29, 2017 7:24 AM  

Bobby Farr wrote:@9 There is a downside. If LA is nuked, part of the wall might be damaged. I don't want to rely on radioactivity to dissuade Mexicans from coming.
Meh. It's like virginity; once it's been hit you just keep hitting it regular to no great fanfare. Random airbusts will suffice.

Blogger #7139 July 29, 2017 7:24 AM  

If the NORKS have now have an ICBM, two other questions come to mind:

1. Do the NORKS have a fission warhead small enough to place on said missile?

2. Do the NORKS have a guidance system capable of hitting something on the west coast?

Anonymous Teapartydoc July 29, 2017 7:31 AM  

Meh. West coast. Nuke 'em back after they hit a city. If they miss on the first try, wait.

Blogger Johnny July 29, 2017 7:32 AM  

China is the enabler here because lacking China North Korea would have had a regime change a long time ago. And unless the world is very lucky this will end badly.

The problem with any US president dealing with this is that whoever does it will get the blame for the body count. I doubt Trump is heroic enough to take that hit. And the other guys? No way.

Blogger Salt July 29, 2017 8:00 AM  

reaching an altitude of 3,700 km (2,300 miles)

That doesn't make sense.

Blogger bosscauser July 29, 2017 8:16 AM  

Better add a hundred billion to the Pentagon the Koreans are coming the Koreans are coming!

Always a deadly threat looms over us as the perpetual war machine leads us on into the glorious future...

Korea? Really?

Gab.ai/GaryCauser

Blogger sykes.1 July 29, 2017 8:21 AM  

All the hysterical calls for military action against North Korea might just convince Kim that an actual attack is imminent. In that case, he might decide to preempt it by invading and capturing Seoul, stopping there. Now he has a hostage, and now real negotiations, as opposed to threats, can begin.

I have suggested elsewhere that the real solution is to buy the North's nukes and missiles, the facilities to make them, and any stockpiles of relative materials. The technical staff would have to go elsewhere, and that could be facilitated. Considering the vast treasure the North Koreans have expended, the purchase price will be high, and it will include guarantees as to the regime's survival.

Anonymous CoolHand July 29, 2017 8:24 AM  

China and Russia care because their big cities are also within range now, and Fatty Whitewalls has been making threats at them too.

China will not abide a non-subservient DPRK, and Russia wants another nuclear power in Korea about as much as they want their vodka factories to run dry.

The Ruskies and ChiComs were perfectly happy to have Fatty Whitewalls making himself a thorn in the side of the US, but now that he might actually have the teeth to put some bite into that bark and he's started barking at them, he becomes a thorn in THEIR sides as well.

I would not be at all surprised to see Vox proven right by the Chinese invading the DPRK under joint Russian, Chinese, and US air cover, with the US and the Japs running the naval screen to keep their subs busy.

Or they may fuck around too long and we'll get to see what a modern-ish nuke can do to a modern city.

Blogger Ceerilan July 29, 2017 8:31 AM  

The problem with Trump fighting North Korea now is that he would have to do so while driving the deep state and social justice warriors and cucks from power at the same time. History has shown that wagging the dog can end very badly for rulers, just read up on Napoleon III of France and the Franco Prussian war.

War, real war, can help unite a nation. It also makes weaknesses evident. SJW thrive on exploiting both war an weakness for their own gain. What they have not thrived on is their own tactics being used against them. They are also weak to rhetoric.

Blogger Johnny July 29, 2017 8:37 AM  

sykes.1 wrote:Considering the vast treasure the North Koreans have expended, the purchase price will be high, and it will include guarantees as to the regime's survival.

Guarantees only work when dealing with those who are trustable, and we are not. Our recent dealings with Russia via NATO are a conspicuous example of bad faith.

The problem that North Korea presents arises from their circumstance. The country is a pipsqueak nation with nukes and a dictator. They will predictably end up acting as an agent of some greater power because that is the opportunity the situation presents.

As for the likelihood of war via nuclear exchange, revenge in the form of great damage to the North Korean population is not all that great a deterrent because the country is not given to acting in the interests of its own population.

Blogger Phillip George July 29, 2017 8:56 AM  

Trump should invite Kim to run Congress. It would be friendlier. More transparent.

Anonymous Iron Spartan July 29, 2017 9:04 AM  

Unstable and out of control Norks are a threat to everyone in the region more than they are to the US.

My money is on China invading as a dress rehearsal for fighting India.

Blogger Thucydides July 29, 2017 9:10 AM  

China and Russia will only become involved if their interests are being threatened by the DPRK (and considering the DPRK's missile arsenal is already capable of hitting targets across China and Russia, you know they are concerned, even if not stating so publicly). So long as the DPRK is outwardly threatening US and Western interests, the Chinese and Russians will play the game, since it distracts *us* from other issues like Ukraine or the South China Sea.

The least provocative yet effective counter would be to fill the First and Second island chains with ABM interceptors and radars, so any missile launched from the DPRK will pass through multiple engagement zones. The various nations will be agreeable since ABM technology will also shield their own homelands from nuclear adventurism by the DPRK.

As a bonus, it puts the screws to China (who enabled this in the first place) since any ABM network capable of neutralizing the DPRK will also defang the Dragon, making their investment in ICBM's ad AA/AD (Anti-Access/Area Denial) irrelevant, while not being outwardly provocative (ABM's are inherently defensive in nature).

Anonymous glosoli July 29, 2017 9:12 AM  

'Axis of Evil' = 'Do not have a Roth-BIS central bank'.

One by one they will be *rescued* from their evil nationalistic independence and bought within the cosy slave compound known as planet earth.

'The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.'

'The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.'

'The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples.'

'The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war'

These 'points' are there to be ignored when the globalists deem it time to destroy another regime they dislike. Why and how can the alt-right possibly be duped by claims of impending incoming weapons?

How can one ignore the evidence of Iraq's WMDs, and the results of countless other regime changes over the past few decade? This time we just have to believe there really is a threat from North Korea, we just have to ignore the fact they've been blustering and lobbing weapons into the sea for 40+ years. Suddenly though, they can send them a few more thousands of miles, because Trump and the Goldman boys pulling his strings say so. And they have nukes too.

I smell rats, lots of them.

Anonymous patrick kelly July 29, 2017 9:19 AM  

Computer models suggest
yawn

As others have mentioned miniaturizing hardening guiding and delivering the nuke is still a ways off

Should I become a real threat we should have Japan appear to be going nuclear to wake up the Russians and Chinese and let them know if they don't do something we will they won't like that a bit

Anonymous patrick kelly July 29, 2017 9:22 AM  

Should the North Koreans become a real threat haha
I'm not that important
Speech to text sometimes some funny stuff

Blogger praetorian July 29, 2017 9:25 AM  

Is the DPRK alt right?

white juche

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 29, 2017 9:31 AM  

Go with Kratman, but instead of tigers fighting its our declining empire (tiger with arthritis) swiping at porcupines and howler monkeys while the other two tigers sit on a hill and watch.

Blogger Todd Brown July 29, 2017 9:39 AM  

I guess I'm alone in the "I don't care" camp here. North Korea would never nuke the U.S. It's a suicide mission.

Why can't we just ignore them altogether? And while we're at it, pulling our troops from South Korea would be a plus.

Blogger SirGroggy July 29, 2017 9:46 AM  

China is the key.

Blogger SirGroggy July 29, 2017 9:46 AM  

dystonia wrote:Let them nuke LA, then North Korea gets turned into glowing glass. Not seeing any downsides here.

I see what you did there...

Blogger SirGroggy July 29, 2017 9:48 AM  

Why can't we just ignore them altogether?

Nukes are the one thing you can't really ignore.

If Islamists get their hands on a nuke, we know what they will do.

It would be a suicide mission - that's their favourite!

Blogger Elocutioner July 29, 2017 9:57 AM  

SirGroggy wrote:Nukes are the one thing you can't really ignore.



Because dictators sometimes don't keep their hands to themselves.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/WikiLeaks-Israel-bombed-Syrian-nuclear-facility

Blogger Troy Lee Messer July 29, 2017 10:10 AM  

This. But for fallout reaching Idaho, I could care less if LA or SF gets nuked.

Anonymous Roundtine July 29, 2017 10:10 AM  

The DPRK will not nuke a city, it will launch an EMP strike that will wipe out Silicon Valley and end US dominance for decades along with tens of millions dead.

The answer, besides giving North Korea independence, is to announce the US will also leave RoK as part of the deal, allow RoK to have nukes as defense against DPRK, PRC and Japan, and Japan can end pacifist constitution and build nukes. That will get China and Russia's attention.

Blogger pnq8787 July 29, 2017 10:18 AM  

No downsides here. Either the US (((global))) power declines from this or the US must learn to cooperate with Russia and China.

A question for any whites reading this... is it really worth losing many more white lives just to maintain the empire? Do you really think the vibrants are going to carry the weight in any serious future war?

Blogger pyrrhus July 29, 2017 10:20 AM  

NK is obviously a lot smarter than anyone in the Middle East. No country with nukes has ever been attacked, so they have avoided the Iraq treatment.
But China will never allow US control of NK. It's bad enough that we have troops and X-Band radar in South Korea, and are constantly running war games on their border. And whatever NK's pretensions, China has made it very clear to the Fearless Leader that he and his country will be wiped off the map if NK attacks China. Russia ditto...

Blogger Troy Lee Messer July 29, 2017 10:22 AM  

If Islam can comvince an individual to kill but a few with a suicide best, I can only imagine they'd have to use a lottery system to choose from all the volunteers to light up a nuke.

Blogger pyrrhus July 29, 2017 10:23 AM  

@39 There will be no attacks on NK, and it is not worth one American life to protect SK or Japan. We would have pulled our troops out of the area decades ago except for empire building neocons...And of course, any kind of land war in Asia is absurd--the Eisenhower doctrine.

Anonymous Bil July 29, 2017 10:26 AM  

zhokovG... tried replying but blocked. the proof is is the engine design.. its classic russian.. the last engine test showed very modern russian thottle and vector control only done by the russians.

Blogger Duh-ave July 29, 2017 10:28 AM  

Kim nuking an American city is only slightly more likely than having his invasion fleet showing up on the west coast. He is just like a trash talking teenager that knows he can't win but want to pose. Our bosses want this fight a lot more than he does.

Anonymous johnc July 29, 2017 10:30 AM  

China is mostly behind all of this because NK is a great chess piece to have on the board.

Which is why we need to start addressing this by implementing less favorable trade regulations with China. Time to cut their money flow.

Russia, on the other hand, we could probably sway with a carrot.

BTW in the middle of all of this Japan increased the tariff on frozen beef imports from the US to 50%. While we're in the middle of trying to come up with a strategy to defend them from this nut in NK. They really do have a pair. And frankly it's past time to reciprocate.

Blogger VD July 29, 2017 10:34 AM  

it will include guarantees as to the regime's survival.

Post-Libya, no one will buy that anymore. Libya was a serious foreign policy disaster.

Blogger VD July 29, 2017 10:39 AM  

The USA is not going to attack North Korea by itself. The question is whether China now perceives North Korea to be a sufficient threat to either itself or to Japan, such that it will force Japan to destabilize the Pacific balance of power.

Some of you guys are dumb enough to be arguing that we should not-fight the last war. This is a VERY different situation than Afghanistan and Iraq. China, Japan, and Russia are all observably alarmed, so it's clearly not just the usual US Imperials looking for another excuse to manufacture more profitable war toys.

Blogger pnq8787 July 29, 2017 10:49 AM  

On thing we rarely talk about is the moral difference between nuking a civilian target and nuking a military target. A naval task force engaged in attacking your country is a *pure* military target. So if the US attacked NK and they nuked a carrier or two what would the US do then? Is the US really going to murder (yes it would be murder) a bunch of civilians in Pyongyang because our military toys got broken? It would be like when a bully cries after he gets punched in the nose.

Anonymous BBGKB July 29, 2017 10:54 AM  

Is it capable of hitting Los Angeles or just landing somewhere on the west coast including Los Angeles?

Hey North Korea people are drawing pictures of your leader in NYC, DC, Chicago, San Fran & St Lewis

Anonymous BoxingIsNotFighting July 29, 2017 10:56 AM  

Question, lots of folks on here probably have more scientific and/or historical knowledge about this, but if NK were to nuke, say..SF or LA...wouldn't China and/or Russia, let alone Canada be concerned about the environmental fallout? Doesn't this screw up the planet (given that it would be nuclear, not atomic) and future trade with a sizable portion of the world? I know for Kim it's ZFG...but wouldn't China NOT want that?

Or is this simply a minor environmental, geo-physical inconvenience (displaced civilians on the rim of the attack, destroyed homes, land, red-zone radiation)...and life will go on for pretty much every one else?

If the latter is true, it seems most folks, including Americans, can get back to business without CA.

What's the chess moves as you see it here?

Anonymous two sentries July 29, 2017 10:59 AM  

"China and Russia will only become involved if their interests are being threatened by the DPRK"

Their interests are ALREADY deeply threatened, and not by the idea of being nuked by the Norks. Play out the scenario:

NORTH KOREA: [For whatever dumb reason, nukes Los Angeles]

USA: [In retaliation, nukes every square inch of North Korea]

RUSSIA, CHINA, SOUTH KOREA, JAPAN: "YAAAAAHHHH!!! What are seven trillion tons of radioactive fallout doing blowing through our entire country?!?"

Even a milder scenario is next-to-intolerable...

NORTH KOREA: [Nukes Los Angeles]

CHINA TO USA: Do not even think about responding with a nuke exchange. We don't want your fallout. If you nuke NK, we will nuke all of USA in retaliation.

USA: If you do that, China will seek to exist.

CHINA: China will cease to exist anyway, if covered in USA-caused radioactive particles of former NK everywhere. Our threat stands.

USA: [ponders options, but menacingly]

No possible good outcome to any of this. What's my recommendation? Need to consult I Ching first.

Blogger Robert What? July 29, 2017 11:01 AM  

I dont get the North Koreans are suicidal. They are just rattling. They know that any real use of nukes by them would result in NK becoming one large crater. This is just an attempt by the NeoCons to get us involved in a profitable war. They'd prefer Russia, but NK will do in a pinch.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 29, 2017 11:02 AM  

@47 Hasn't the US engaged in the mass slaughter of civilians on a regular basis since WW2? And without of the provocation of being hit by tactical nukes.

Anonymous two sentries July 29, 2017 11:02 AM  

@49 Beat me to it. I call Liebniz, you can have Newton and all his lunacy.

Anonymous Reenay July 29, 2017 11:03 AM  

A world without Hollywood? A world without San Francisco and its dung-covered streets? A world without leftists getting an automatic 55 electoral votes every election? A world without Facebook? A world without the general cancer that is the mainstream tech industry (and think, alt-Tech would have no competition to worry about!)? A world where the U.S. consistently elects a right-wing President?

I'm... I'm not sure I see the downside of this.

Anonymous AltKorea July 29, 2017 11:03 AM  

This is a VERY different situation than Afghanistan and Iraq.

LOL and such a cohencidence that neither Afghan nor Iraq had a Roth-BIS central bank. Sad how easily Vox can be manipulated by (((globalists))) to abandon his own principals.

Blogger Cetera July 29, 2017 11:08 AM  

The Trump admin will not go to war over DPRK. They've also already launched the opening salvos of the actions to deal with DPRK.

The US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, a few weeks ago announced that any country who trades with North Korea will not be allowed to trade with the US, full stop.

How many nations does that affect?

Chinese trade negotiations have started.

Why do you think all our naval assets are hanging out in the western Pacific? Why was there an accident where a cargo ship hit our military vessel?

Why would military ships be sailing in extreme proximity to cargo vessels over by China?

Why did Trump bomb the Syrians while at dinner with the president of China?

Is anyone else seeing a pattern here? Trump is going to ignore tye DPRK outside of immediate threats to the US. He's going to force Chima to deal with their rabid dog they've kept on a chain all these years, and now seems to have gotten free.

If China doesn't handle lil Kim, Trump "nukes" their economy. No more exports to the US. A trade war enforced by the US Navy.

A bunch of pissed off Chinese who have had a taste of middle class life and riches aren't going to take going back to being destitute. They will overthrow the Chinese gov't.

China is having all the screws put to them right now. Kinda ironic that the only asshole who can actually wield "soft power" effectively in the world, much to the chagrin of John F'n Kerry and all the politicians of Europe, is OUR asshole, GE Donald J Trump.

He knows how to use leverage, and put the screws to his opponent. He also knows how to play to his strengths while targeting his opponent's weaknesses. Simply, he's the best man for this job at this time, and he's illustrating just exactly how dumb every professional politician in the last 50 years has been.

Blogger dvdivx July 29, 2017 11:15 AM  

If they are going to nuke LA then they should nuke San Fransisco as well. This is all useless through as the only real threat would be EMP nukes and they don't have the ability to pull that off.

Anonymous Rocklea July 29, 2017 11:20 AM  

His dad used to like ex presidents visiting. Any would do.

Blogger pnq8787 July 29, 2017 11:27 AM  

Vice did a documentary of NK. One thing worthy of mention was that their women didn't seem to be as degenerate as the women of the west. They were beautiful, polite, graceful, and didn't have their gibblets falling out all over the place. I'm just saying, as alt-righters, maybe we should be siding with the existence of NK even if we don't like some of the things they do. Yes, I realize that the regime over there is supposedly communist, but in other ways they are very much alt-right. They don't cotton to immigration. They protect their culture. They kill SJWs. Their economy sucks, but that's their business. And frankly, they have as much a right to defend themselves as any other nation.

Anonymous Crew July 29, 2017 11:32 AM  

Of course, how can we be certain that some crazy libtard does not get control of America's nuclear weapons and launch a nuclear attack on some country because they don't act nice to fudge packers or some degenerate group?

Anonymous glosoli July 29, 2017 11:43 AM  

@59, and that's precisely why they will be taken out. Not one single country on the plant will stay outside the plantation.

The so-called alt-right is incoherent if it brays for NK's regime to be overthrown. Good to see some comments on this thread that recognise the games being played.

Ironically, my working theory is that the NWO will look very alt-right, after the fake war in the Middle East, and the removal of immigrants, and the (inevitable) rise of nationalism.

The far-left will be the fall guys this time, I'm sure of that, as the globalists know that (economically) leftist policies don't work. But we'll end up with quasi National Socialism, where the state will own a very large proportion of the equity of all major corporations. The Swiss and Japanese central banks are already buying equities in the billions. I expect the other central banks to do the same, a clever way to merge state and corporate interests. The elite will have it all, rest assured.

And as for Russia and China, they are already running this model, in case you hadn't noticed, and they've been plotting the downfall of the US for 100 years.

Be wary of those who align with or support Russia or China's views in what lies ahead. They are either too dumb to see satan's minions at work, or they are fake. Remember, the alt-right does not support the end of democracy, the end of suffrage, the return to God's laws. Hence, it is merely another form of progressivism. satan can be most cunning indeed.

Anonymous johnc July 29, 2017 11:46 AM  

Are we really to believe that ICBMs just grow on trees in Pyongyang?

Blogger OneWingedShark July 29, 2017 12:27 PM  

Well, I guess Reagan's Star Wars program shouldn't have been re-purposed to theater defense.

Infogalactic:SDI was nicknamed, largely in the mainstream media, as "Star Wars", after the popular 1977 film by George Lucas. In 1987, the American Physical Society concluded that a global shield such as "Star Wars" was extremely ambitious and with existing technology not directly feasible for operational status, and that about ten more years of research was needed to learn about such a comprehensive and complex system to set up and make it fully operational.
[…]
Under the administration of President Bill Clinton in 1993, its name was changed to the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization (BMDO) and its emphasis was shifted from national missile defense to theater missile defense; and its scope from global to more regional coverage. It was never truly developed or deployed, though certain aspects of SDI research and technologies paved the way for some anti-ballistic missile systems of today.

Blogger Elder Son July 29, 2017 12:45 PM  

Right-o. North Korea is going to nuke AmuriKa just because it wants AmuriKa to massively retaliate in return and wipe North Korea off the face of the planet, and start a global nuclear exchange!

Then we had some perfume prince tell us a couple of weeks ago, that all we have to do, is drop massive amounts of explosive ordinance and a few MOAB's on NK's 20,000 plus artillery pieces, and rockets, and conventional missiles for a couple of hours to save Seoul, and bring NK to its knees.

The Babelists will stop at nothing to instill fear into the AmuriKan sheeple. Just tell them that some crazy fox will nuke them just because, and watch them yell and shout while running around in circles waving their arms spastically, like zombies.

Anonymous a_peraspera July 29, 2017 12:58 PM  

"China, Japan, and Russia are all observably alarmed"

So let them do something about it then. In my view any Chinese "worrying" is fake good-cop bullshit to fool the rubes. NK is China's bad-cop, why would they be worried? Kim isn't dumb enough to attack Russia or China, that would be suicide. Only Western nations are confused and cucked, and can be easily fucked, with consequence-free.

I would say every time Kim runs his mouth, have a US sub quietly sink an NK ship and say nothing about it. Eventually he will get the message.

The one thing we cannot do is pay Kim to go away. As demonstrated in the past, he will just come back for more money later.

Blogger DonReynolds July 29, 2017 1:01 PM  

This is not about China.
North Korea shares a border with China but Iran does not.
The only country that shares a border with both Iran and North Korea is Russia.
Vladivostok is a little over 50 miles from the North Korean border. Of all the major cities in the region, only Seoul is closer to the North Korean border.
The rivalry that seldom gets mentioned is Sino-Russian.
As tension increases between China and India, look for more Russian nukes in India. The Russians have had excellent relations with India in the past and both are threatened by China.
We could argue the rest of the day regarding which side the USA would most support in such a conflict. I will go ahead and place my bet on China. Yes, China is more important to the USA than India or Russia....politically and economically.
Our British friends would be faced with a difficult choice...India and Russia.....or the USA and China. My second bet would be that the Brits would side with India, out of reflex.

Blogger Elder Son July 29, 2017 1:06 PM  

@56 The US ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, a few weeks ago announced that any country who trades with North Korea will not be allowed to trade with the US, full stop.

Hey! That is the exact model the repukes just sealed in its new sanctions package on Russia. Idiots think they rule the world.

You better not trade with Russia, or we'll sanction you too!

One day, the world is going to just get sick of America, until it has become a laughing stock, ignored, and a has-been.

History rhymes.

Anonymous johnc July 29, 2017 1:06 PM  

U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson lashed out at Russia and China early Saturday, following North Korea’s second test launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile – and reports that Kim Jong Un’s regime was now capable of striking cities on the U.S. mainland.

Tillerson labeled the two U.S. rivals the “principal economic enablers” of North Korea’s weapons programs, and called on them to ramp up efforts to curb the growing nuclear threat from Pyongyang.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/29/russia-china-are-north-koreas-enablers-tillerson-says.html

Yep. That's what's going on, tempered as Tillerson's comments are. China and Russia are behind all of this. They see NK as leverage against Japan and the US. "It would be a shame if we couldn't control this nut with nuclear ICBMs..."

US needs to push SK and Japan to build a large military -- enough to defend themselves without the US -- and that includes a nuclear arsenal. Japan needs to begin mandatory, 2-yr conscription for all young men. They just had an ICBM land in their territorial waters for heaven's sake.

Make those announcements and then we'll see if China and Russia are willing to come to their senses.

Blogger Elder Son July 29, 2017 1:09 PM  

History rhymes.

Then there is WWIII.

Blogger Elder Son July 29, 2017 1:18 PM  

China and Russia are behind all of this.

Nah. Just a big fat middle finger to U.S.A. Bigly britches, thinking it is going to global-cop the world into its Babel image.

And Nixon and Kissinger should have stayed home.

Blogger Elocutioner July 29, 2017 1:29 PM  

"One day, the world is going to just get sick of America"

Cool! Does that mean they'll stop sending all those second rate people here? The US is about 5% of world population but about 25% of world GDP. The ratio improves even more if we kick out all of the non-Americans and unshackle ourselves from all the globalist leeching and regulations. (Just imagine all of that Chinese manufacturing repatriated.) Is seems we'd be just fine without most of them since we invented most of the modern stuff they all enjoy anyways. Would be a real shame if we stopped selling them the upgrades.

And therein lies their REAL angst. The world's sole superpower doesn't need them. As soon as we, as a nation, tell them to pound sand they cease to have any meaningful control over us. We voted for the alpha because we're sick of being run by women and children who give a damn what everyone else thinks.

Blogger Kep Hartman July 29, 2017 1:36 PM  

The answers WRT the Norks are bad.

But what is despicable is the reckless disregard for uniting against the threat and strengthening the USA's resolve to deal with it as evidenced by the Democrats and Cucks just so they can throw a hissy-fit about losing the coronation of the Pantsuit and her cigar-farking Philanderer husband.

It appears that all they care about is raw power, no matter how they get it, no matter the consequences. They are FUBAR.

Blogger DonReynolds July 29, 2017 1:39 PM  

Russians have always been big on history and probably no one has studied WWI and WWII as closely.
They probably noticed that the recurring mistake on the part of Germany was making an enemy of the British. Germany could go to war with France and win...having twice the population...but without peace with Britain, the USA ultimately gets involved. If Germany had kept the British out of the wars, would the USA have intervened to save the French? Unlikely.
For the Russians, backing India against China must seem like a master stroke. Not only do they make an ally of Britain, but it renders NATO virtually worthless by driving a wedge between the Americans and the British....and effectively isolates the Muslim world.
Yes, it does seem strange.

Anonymous Laz July 29, 2017 1:54 PM  

@36. Troy Lee Messer

"This. But for fallout reaching Idaho, I could care less if LA or SF gets nuked."

I was just thinking the same thing considering that the jet stream pretty much stays right over my house.

Anonymous AB.Prosper July 29, 2017 2:08 PM  

I'm well within Nork range so I had the "what if they launch" talk with the people I care. Not a pleasant Cold War flashback and I'd didn't miss it.

Blogger Elder Son July 29, 2017 2:15 PM  

@71 Elocutioner As soon as we, as a nation, tell them to pound sand they cease to have any meaningful control over us.

Cool! Does this mean we will stop global-copping for Babelism?

Not hardly. Because, Alpha?

Anyhoo, NK blusters about nuking AmuriKa, and the best some can do is, "Cool! They can nuke LA and SF! Yuck-yuck." NK isn't going to nuke anyone, not even in your wet-dreams.

Blogger Elder Son July 29, 2017 2:19 PM  

It's actually kind of funny. One day, some of you are against Babelism. The next day, they'll all get you on board to White Knight for Babelism. Just tell them the Norks are gonna nuclear annihilate you, because just to nuke you!

Predictable.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 29, 2017 2:40 PM  

@Salt

"reaching an altitude of 3,700 km (2,300 miles)

That doesn't make sense"

And going only 620 miles laterally, too. Is this an ICBM, or a scaled-up mortar?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 29, 2017 2:46 PM  

@praetorian
"Is the DPRK alt right?

white juche"

Oh yeah.

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 29, 2017 2:49 PM  

Salt wrote:reaching an altitude of 3,700 km (2,300 miles)

That doesn't make sense.

They launched it upward instead of horizontally, so as not to pass over Japanese territory.  This maximizes gravity losses.  Do the math.

A nuclear-armed Japan and S. Korea is a proportional response, no?  We should be telling China that this is the alternative to a regime change in Pyongyang.  If they want their buffer state, they are going to have to make it behave.  (I see @37 et al have made this point too.)

CoolHand wrote:they may fuck around too long and we'll get to see what a modern-ish nuke can do to a modern city.
Think of all the Democratic voters and illegal beaners they'd lose if LA went up.  Heh he... I mean wouldn't that be a shame.

BoxingIsNotFighting wrote:if NK were to nuke, say..SF or LA...wouldn't China and/or Russia, let alone Canada be concerned about the environmental fallout? Doesn't this screw up the planet (given that it would be nuclear, not atomic)
What you're saying makes no sense.  There is no difference between "nuclear" and "atomic".

The danger of fallout is greatly overblown.  External gamma emitters cease being dangerous in about 2 weeks.  I-131 is effectively gone in 90 days.  You can detect traces for much longer (IIUC there were still traces of Cs-134 detectable from 1960's bomb tests until Chernobyl and Fukushima swamped them) but they're harmless.

dvdivx wrote:This is all useless through as the only real threat would be EMP nukes and they don't have the ability to pull that off.
Fusing a nuke to go off at ± 20 miles of altitude is a lot easier than getting an airburst right.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 29, 2017 2:53 PM  

@26 glosoli

I hope you're right.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 29, 2017 2:56 PM  

According to rumor, Kim enjoys his orgies with kidnapped Japanese girls and imported cognac. He may not be bright but I suspect he is smart enough to understand that if he uses a nuke, even if he survives the retribution, those naked Japanese girls and Hennessy go away.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 29, 2017 3:04 PM  

@glosoli
"'Axis of Evil' = 'Do not have a Roth-BIS central bank"

Well, there doesn't seem to be any love lost between the Zionist entity and NK, either.

http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Fundamentally-Freund-The-North-Korean-threat-to-Israel-413133

http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/North-Korea-threatens-Israel-with-merciless-thousand-fold-punishment-489316

https://infogalactic.com/info/Israel%E2%80%93North_Korea_relations

But I'm sure that the opinion of an insignificant desert tribal country, thousands of mile away, has nothing to do with US foreign policy, or with the narrative adopted by the American media. Right?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 29, 2017 3:11 PM  

@Elocutioner

So you're saying we should bomb Dimona? That's an interesting suggestion.

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 29, 2017 3:12 PM  

The potential cost of dealing with a nuclear North Korea is only going to go up from here. The question is, are Russia and China on board with a US attempt to remove the North Korean threat or is a nuclear North Korea simply something that the world will have to accept, as it has accepted a nuclear Pakistan, Israel, and Iran.

Given that both houses of Congress - controlled by the cuckservative Repuke party - passed sanctions against Russia by a veto-proof margin - Putin's only valid reason for cooperation in such a venture would be self-defense of Russia itself. The Kim-Jong Krazy klan has been a serious security threat for well over two decades, most of all to its neighbors - but now also to places like the USSA.

One has to wonder who (besides the Kims) has been behind the policy of more than two decades of appeasement of a threat that has never ceased to grow and expand in scope - perhaps our (((bestest ally in the whole universe)))??? It wouldn't be the first time our (((dearly beloved friends))) sold US tech to other countries. The whole Loral - owned by (((Schwartz))) - act of treason enabled by the Gang Clinton (MIRV technology to China) was but one of several examples of this.

Then there are our best trading partners in the whole wide galaxy - the People's Army - who might be finding Kim-Jong-Krazy's antics to be of use as well. Obviously we'll never see anything but lies from the dim flicker of (((gaslight media))), but maybe someone in wikileaks, pol or similar locales can find out why this has been allowed to fester so long - and cui bono.

Considerably more action has been taken against the far less serious threat of Iran. Why would that be? One would almost get the impression that the national security of the continental North American is of no concern whatsoever to those in charge of its oversight. Try to imagine, if you can, the level of total shock and awe.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 29, 2017 3:21 PM  

@75 AB.Prosper
I'm well within Nork range so I had the "what if they launch" talk with the people I care. Not a pleasant Cold War flashback and I'd didn't miss it.
---

I vaguely remember as a kid in a very early grade they would have us do these drills. We were to go into the hallway, all of us line up and sit on the ground. And then were to kind of curl up while seated.

My dads comment about that was "Damn, they're just having yall go in the hallway, bend over, and kiss your asses goodbye"

Blogger Were-Puppy July 29, 2017 3:29 PM  

@85 Gen. Kong

I'm wondering if this entire thing is a sort of reverse wag the dog.

Before someone like Slick Willie would start a war to hide some white house shenanigans from the country.

We know the Clintons were such pals with Norks because they solved the crisis back in maybe 1994 iirc.

They are not happy with Trump. Or any of their goons. So they might be instigating this crap from behind the scenes because Trump is getting closer and closer to having them all investigated for all kind of crimes.

So this reverse wag the dog would be to keep Trump from pursuing justice against them, or doing much of anything else besides.

Oh well, it's the start of a theory!

Anonymous Marvin Boggs July 29, 2017 3:30 PM  

@36: I share your ambivalence toward L.A. Been there once, don't ever want to go back. But the reality is that the destruction of a major city like L.A. would not happen in isolation. The effects on the US economy, and really the world economy, would be staggering.

As just a starting point, consider all the real estate that is mortgaged in L.A. The borrowers would be dead. The properties destroyed and unusable. The lenders, likely spread across the country, would be out of pocket and possibly at risk of failure.

You don't have to use much imagination to see the ripples.

Anonymous krbu July 29, 2017 3:39 PM  

First, ... assassinate Kim.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) July 29, 2017 3:40 PM  

49. BoxingIsNotFighting July 29, 2017 10:56 AM
wouldn't China and/or Russia, let alone Canada be concerned about the environmental fallout?



wut?

since when have Russia and China ever cared about the environment?

further, the prevailing winds would mostly likely carry the fallout into the interior of the US.

Canuckistan wouldn't appreciate it very much ... but so what? they're not a nuclear power, have a pretty small military and no installations to speak of in the Sea of Japan area.

eastern Russia and coastal China would be at some risk of radioactive contaminants returning to the western ocean on the Pacific gyre but ... seriously? you're going to dilute a single weapon with the entire Pacific ocean? the Japan meltdown is already far more serious ( and still ongoing ) in that regard.



49. BoxingIsNotFighting July 29, 2017 10:56 AM
(given that it would be nuclear, not atomic)



ah, never mind. you have no idea what you're talking about.


61. glosoli July 29, 2017 11:43 AM
the alt-right does not support the end of democracy



why would they? Democracy is of the Left.

that's why the Constitution does not describe a Democracy.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 29, 2017 3:45 PM  

@Elocutioner
"One day, the world is going to just get sick of America"

Clearly, he's not referring to the historic American nation here. In this context, "America" = ZOG.

"Cool! Does that mean they'll stop sending all those second rate people here?"

Maybe you missed it, but ZOG wants those millions of non-whites here. "Invade the world" and "invite the world" are but different sides of the same shekel.

Blogger Michael Maier July 29, 2017 3:46 PM  

Why would the US have to retaliate with nukes? Don't we have enough conventional arms to level anything vaguely important in NK?

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 29, 2017 3:49 PM  

@Mr Rational
"The danger of fallout is greatly overblown."

Especially with airbursts. A nuke going off at ground level causes a much bigger fallout problem.

Blogger ชื่อที่แสดง July 29, 2017 4:54 PM  

They are not happy with Trump. Or any of their goons. So they might be instigating this crap from behind the scenes because Trump is getting closer and closer to having them all investigated for all kind of crimes.

So this reverse wag the dog would be to keep Trump from pursuing justice against them, or doing much of anything else besides.

Oh well, it's the start of a theory!

หีฟิต

Blogger tz July 29, 2017 5:16 PM  

If you can't drain the swamp, nuking it is the next best alternative.

We could suffer a loss of facebook but would just have to zuck it up.

But don't the elite have plans to teleport to their bunkers in the milliseconds between when they know the bomb is about to go off?

But we bless Abraham through Israel! God would never do a Sodom and Gomorrah here - aren't there at least 10 good men left in silicon valley? DC? NYC? Hollywood? Seattle?

Anonymous glosoli July 29, 2017 5:24 PM  

@90,

You mis-read me bob. The alt-right is merely more leftism, as it does not even advocate the end of democracy.

As for your constitution: 'A right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' is also straight of the prog programme, so just another form of liberalism.

God did not give any of us rights, He gave us 10 commandments. Your *rights* are merely ideas that human authority consider to be acceptable at any point in time. Your founders tried to rule from the grave, but failed miserably.

It all ends in the sort of mess America and the West is in now, once you ditch God.

Anonymous Andrew Anglin July 29, 2017 5:49 PM  

there is no "North Korean threat". There is an Isramerican threat. The Norks understand that any country that a) refuses Isramerican hegemony and b) lacks nuclear weapons, is going to get a proximate violent visitation from Uncle Schmuel.

eat it, Trumpenthal.

Anonymous Anonymous July 29, 2017 6:37 PM  

Spam cleanup on aisle @94....

Blogger Elocutioner July 29, 2017 6:39 PM  

"Cool! Does this mean we will stop global-copping for Babelism?"

Yeah, I hope we do stop it. I'm alt-right and I've been against the global cop bullshit for 20+ years. I think we should cut and refocus the military. Most of our foreign policy objectives can be accomplished through economic leverage. But that wouldn't line the pockets in DC quite as much. (I used to laugh at Ike's "military industrial complex" warning.)

And NK won't nuke us but they have shown a willingness to share the technology with other states. Instead of dealing with the problem Clinton fed and enabled them (lending credence that the Chinese owned him). Likewise, Trump will use economics to defang them.

Blogger Chris Mallory July 29, 2017 7:36 PM  

Michael Maier wrote:Why would the US have to retaliate with nukes? Don't we have enough conventional arms to level anything vaguely important in NK?

Because hitting the NORKs with conventional arms means Seoul gets hit with a few thousand heavy artillery shells in the 10 minutes after.

Blogger Lazarus July 29, 2017 9:43 PM  

((( bob kek mando ))) - ( more Natural Born Kekistani than if my mother was a native of Moorhead MN and my father came from Cockram Mill VA ... so to speak ) wrote:Canuckistan wouldn't appreciate it very much ... but so what? they're not a nuclear power, have a pretty small military and no installations to speak of in the Sea of Japan area.

And this is why, on some level, all canucks hate America, because if you screw up, they get nuked.

Actually, this is probably why, on some level, all the world hates America.

Maybe the destruction of America is a good thing.

Alas, Babylon, yes?

Anonymous johnc July 29, 2017 10:59 PM  

Trump on Twitter:

"I am very disappointed in China. Our foolish past leaders have allowed them to make hundreds of billions of dollars a year in trade, yet they do NOTHING for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue. China could easily solve this problem!"

OpenID aew51183 July 29, 2017 11:14 PM  

Speaking as a pragmatist, why would Trump have a problem with N Korea removing communists from the US population?

If I were Trump, i'd be getting Kim Jong Un's attention with a red flag, then waving it about in front of SF, LA, or Seattle in the hopes he does America a huge favor.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 30, 2017 1:52 AM  

Conservatively, taking out LA and the SF Bay Area would reduce the foreign population of the US by 13-14 million. A good start.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 30, 2017 12:10 PM  

aew51183 wrote:Speaking as a pragmatist, why would Trump have a problem with N Korea removing communists from the US population?

If I were Trump, i'd be getting Kim Jong Un's attention with a red flag, then waving it about in front of SF, LA, or Seattle in the hopes he does America a huge favor.


I would contribute my own cash money to help pay for the destruction of the Blue Archipelago. Two centuries ago Britain burned DC. I wonder if we could pay them to do it again.

Anonymous AB.Prosper July 31, 2017 3:15 AM  

Reenay wrote:A world without Hollywood? A world without San Francisco and its dung-covered streets? A world without leftists getting an automatic 55 electoral votes every election? A world without Facebook? A world without the general cancer that is the mainstream tech industry (and think, alt-Tech would have no competition to worry about!)? A world where the U.S. consistently elects a right-wing President?

I'm... I'm not sure I see the downside of this.


A lot of deplorables and .Alt Righters and allies live in So Cal myself included.

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