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Monday, July 03, 2017

The construction of rhetoric

In last night's Darkstream, I noted that the most effective rhetoric tends to have something in common: it is based on mocking an aspect of the target's self-identification.

For example, the reason Social Justice Warrior is effective rhetoric that triggers the emotions of SJWs while derogatory terms like Social Justice Bully and Social Justice Crybaby do not is because "warrior" is a term that the SJWs gave themselves, and more importantly, it is how they see themselves. To hear the term used contemptuously, as an open form of mockery, is what causes the emotional pain that triggers them.

Fake News, which is arguably the most effective rhetorical term ever deployed against the media, is almost exactly the same. It is a term originally coined by the media, but stolen and deployed against them, and one that strikes at the very heart of their self-value and self-identification as devotees of truth and accuracy.

So, as an exercise, let's see if anyone can utilize this principle to come up with a rhetorical term for moderates that would serve as an alternative to Cuckservative, which is itself already an effective tag that is a play on a self-title rather than an actual one, but nevertheless strikes powerfully at the conservative's self-image as loyal and moral.

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Blogger Positive Dennis July 03, 2017 4:54 AM  

NeoColonial? ProIsrael? TANSTAAFT, there ain't no such thing as free Trade. Not good, but for me it s 2 am.

Blogger weka July 03, 2017 4:57 AM  

The Conservatives are afraid to fight against evil because it might make them feel icky.

That makes them Enablers of Evil.

Anonymous jSinSaTx July 03, 2017 5:02 AM  

Principled losers. Think tank Americans. Cocktail conservatives.

Blogger VD July 03, 2017 5:04 AM  

That makes them Enablers of Evil.

You have it completely backwards. You're still trying to create rhetoric from dialectic. It doesn't work like that.

Stop trying to "make sense" or "reveal the truth". That is not how to create effective rhetoric.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 5:07 AM  

Equalatards? :)

Diversatives?

Orderlies. (They valve order and properness, so rather than being about Order it makes them the staff in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.) Though not the best kill shot.

Progressives wouldn't work because it's like calling a tall man "tall".

"Why don't you move to Iraq/Syria/Libya?", too passive aggressive.

They have hang ups about the Civil Rights movement, so maybe "AA-Hires" at the writers might work. For as much as the "Conservatives" would be against quotas & set-asides, they functionally are that themselves in D.C. There's room for a killshot there.

Anonymous jSinSaTx July 03, 2017 5:10 AM  

Not much has hit as hard as cuckservative. RINOs, media whores, country club republicans... has never changed a think. They seem to be individualistic enough to think that even though their cause is losing that they themselves are winners. Cuckservative strikes at the identity of an individual in a way few other things do. It is emasculating. The only thing that might strike equally would be an association with being a coward. But Chickenhawk did nothing to change Ben Shapiro in any meaningful way. Chickpublican would keep it at one word, but is more likely to evoke the image of a blond media whore talking head. ConSoyvative...

Blogger Phillip George July 03, 2017 5:13 AM  

Moderating for child brides and clitorectomies isn't moderate.

Anonymous jSinSaTx July 03, 2017 5:14 AM  

Soypublican... estrogen Americans... soyboys instead of the manly image of cowboys. Heartiste could generate one up. Top shelf wordsmith.

Anonymous Ignaz Semmelweiss July 03, 2017 5:15 AM  

Cuntservative.

Anonymous Sjonnar July 03, 2017 5:16 AM  

Lukewarm chicken?

Moderates are moderate because they're too afraid to declare for one side or another, always claiming "the truth is somewhere in between." So neither hot nor cold = lukewarm, and chicken = cowardly.

Blogger Phillip George July 03, 2017 5:16 AM  

moderates are donkeys for rapists

Anonymous Ulick McGee July 03, 2017 5:19 AM  

Corpservatives

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 5:19 AM  

Kamp Kommandants? Nazi + Hogan's Heroes + Idiot tag.

They view themselves as good people, so anything that can twist that with a cultural illusion would be powerful. They don't like to be called Racist or associated with Nazism, but it can't be too terribly direct.

Concentration Camp Watcher is too long. They are Fence Sitters, but that's also not enough of a nuke.

"Affirmative Action Hires" should work really well on the "Conservative" writers. They should respond badly to that one.

Anonymous jSinSaTx July 03, 2017 5:20 AM  

Still in the same lane as cuckservative, but Heartiste has used the term Recucklican.

Blogger Unknown July 03, 2017 5:20 AM  

Roman Republican

Blogger Sillon Bono July 03, 2017 5:24 AM  

The only way to define a moderate is by calling him "toilet doorman", given enough justified pressure they will let anybody in, almost anyone claiming urgency will be let in.

Anonymous Ulick McGee July 03, 2017 5:25 AM  

Transservative - although born liberal and with all liberal principles still intact, totally, 100%, fully conservative in every single way.

Blogger Jim Androadie July 03, 2017 5:26 AM  

MDH, media diversity hires

Anonymous mantle of hate July 03, 2017 5:26 AM  

Ok, working through this: their biggest self conception is as the "responsible adults in the room who reign in the overeager rambunctious youth of the left"

That's what we need to attack. Something that suggests they're not the responsible parents of cool kids, but out of touch weirdos who only act mature, but everyone else thinks of as posers?

Bowtie Babies? Nah

How do you twist "responsible adult"? They have a weird attachment to the left and want to be liked by them (as the responsible elder). Pedophile...Creepy Uncle?

Creepservative?

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 5:28 AM  

Maybe just "Failures".

"Future Trump Voter", might land with a few.

"Whore Breeders" might work on some of the Women.

Anonymous Jon The Dude July 03, 2017 5:29 AM  

I think some people aren't understanding. It needs to be a term that they would normally like, right? How about something like Real Conservative? True Conservative? "Sorry, I'm not a #trueconservative like you."

Anonymous mantle of hate July 03, 2017 5:29 AM  

The B Team

(exposing their lack of seriousness, their collusion in the uniparty.)

Anonymous Rocklea July 03, 2017 5:31 AM  

Conservatives are like moderate Muslims; indefensible positions; intellectually dishonest and they whine when their side is winning.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 5:33 AM  

If we're going after moderates and we're looking for nuclear class, the killshot is based around being pro-Rape. Rape & being Hilter are the only "sins" they all agree upon.

"Rape Realists"?

Blogger SteelPalm July 03, 2017 5:34 AM  

Most of these are terrible and completely ignore Vox's writings on the subject.

Then again, my own might be hardly better;

1. Traitorservatives
2. Treasonous snakes
3. Suicidal cucks
4. Communist sympathizers

Blogger L' Aristokrato July 03, 2017 5:34 AM  

Third-Worlders
Discivic-Nationalist
Suttees

Anonymous mantle of hate July 03, 2017 5:34 AM  

"Moderate Liberal" Ben Shapiro...

Anonymous Pug July 03, 2017 5:38 AM  

Loserates.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 5:38 AM  

Middlebi***es.

Anonymous jSinSaTx July 03, 2017 5:39 AM  

Ulick McGee wrote:Transservative - although born liberal and with all liberal principles still intact, totally, 100%, fully conservative in every single way.

I had been thinking of a way to combine the trans nonsense with conservatives. I like the concept, but nothing suitably catchy has struck me.

And no, I don't think it has to be something they would like to be called as much as it has to be something that emotionally impacts their self image. Nobody wanted to be called a cuckservative. The problem with lifting a straight self description from Republicans/conservatives is that those designations have no cool connotations to begin with. Republicans haven't had a good rhetorical tool to redirect since they kept hammering democrats with communism/socialism. Bill Clinton pretty much ran rings around them and took that off the table.

Blogger John XR July 03, 2017 5:43 AM  

The principled fence sitters
Vigorous fence sitters
Those who vigorously sit fence
far center extremists

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 5:44 AM  

Mendacrats?

Mopirates?

Got it.

Frauderates.

Anonymous Steve July 03, 2017 5:45 AM  

Judas-Americans

Anonymous mantle of hate July 03, 2017 5:45 AM  

Some antonym that plays on their failure to conserve, which is probably part of their identity in name only (they really are the progressive B team, the radicals square dad)

Squandcervatives, consumicans, ruinpublicans?

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 5:45 AM  

Roadkill?

I know, I know, but it's late (or very early, depending) and I'm tired.

Blogger Shiro Akatsuki July 03, 2017 5:46 AM  

We could call them "Principled Conservatives". There is also the old favorite "Compassionate Conservatives".

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 5:46 AM  

Raceservatives
Rapeservatives
Cultural Rapists (plays on anti-colonalism, historicism and Pro-Rape aspects)

Anonymous Goy July 03, 2017 5:46 AM  

Toygoys. From toyboy and goy (check "goys guide to the world").

As in, "the Toygoys in Congress listens to their masters when they come up with suggestions for new Bills".

Example of such bills
"Is US going to appease or surprise at the upcoming AIPAC conference? The former option is probably more likely.

WASHINGTON – The American Israel Public Affairs Committee convenes Sunday with a fixed agenda, set to press members of Congress to punish Iran for its regional behavior, combat efforts to delegitimize Israel and maintain robust US defense aid for the Jewish state.

But when AIPAC hosts senior members of the Trump administration at its conference for the first time, the new president’s staff will have a stage – and an opportunity – to outline an Israel policy agenda of their own.

So what will the White House bring to the table?

President Donald Trump’s team supports the lobby’s existing agenda, which includes passage of two significant bills in Congress that have already received substantial bipartisan support. One of those bills would impose new non-nuclear sanctions on Iran, while the other would target international non-governmental organizations and bodies that seek to boycott, divest and sanction Israel over its treatment of the Palestinians."
http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Analysis-Trumps-Israel-agenda-faces-AIPAC-test-485178

Just like toyboys, toygoys regularly get %@&#% in the -&%- by their masters only to be left with a nasty infection and money in the bank.

Blogger John XR July 03, 2017 5:47 AM  

Canada has a far center extremism problem. We can't seem to get the normies off of the fence. Somebody get the stick!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap-BcRv1LXw

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 03, 2017 5:48 AM  

True Conservative. I thought this was already a term of mockery until I heard some Erick Erickson followers use it without irony.

Blogger Chris McCullough July 03, 2017 5:48 AM  

Constitution Fetish

Anonymous mantle of hate July 03, 2017 5:49 AM  

my third comment made it through, will the first two (they were better?)

Blogger Othello July 03, 2017 5:50 AM  

Tea Kettle Republicans

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 03, 2017 5:51 AM  

Moderates are Nice People. (Well, they're nice to evil people, not necessarily to good people.)

Blogger Othello July 03, 2017 5:51 AM  

Tea Kettle Conservative

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 5:51 AM  

Fauxderpats.

Blogger Othello July 03, 2017 5:52 AM  

Obama Conservative

Blogger Othello July 03, 2017 5:52 AM  

CNN Conservative

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 5:52 AM  

#20 - How about #TrueCon?

They are engaged in an intellectual con game, after all, ever since the CIA bankrolled Buckley?

Anonymous Rocklea July 03, 2017 5:53 AM  

Civic Nationalists, every person of color should own one.

Blogger Othello July 03, 2017 5:53 AM  

Low Energy Conservative

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 03, 2017 5:54 AM  

The Israeli Right
LBJ/FDR Republicans

Blogger Othello July 03, 2017 5:54 AM  

Tea Cake Conservative

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 03, 2017 5:56 AM  

Moderates are Flexible about everything. Definitely useful in combination with a visual meme, even if it doesn't work as rhetoric on its own.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 03, 2017 5:58 AM  

Moderates spend their lives in Gray Areas. And I'm not (only) talking about their (natural) hair color.

Anonymous Rocklea July 03, 2017 5:58 AM  

The principled conservative, because bathrooms are for everyone.

Blogger Someone July 03, 2017 5:59 AM  

Moderates believe they are fair and balanced. But since they seem to willfully ignore what's really going on, or ignore the real facts, they cannot truly be fair and balanced. So you have to mock that with your label.

Obtuse?

Blinderates?

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 5:59 AM  

I do like True Cons, but then I'm the person who thought White Preservationist was a good substitute for White Nationalist.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 5:59 AM  

Confrauderpets.

Anonymous Jim Mortensen July 03, 2017 5:59 AM  

My first thought would be that they always think that compromising between right and wrong somehow gets the answer; so The Compromised Middle could work.

Another thought would be to riff on that song Stuck in the Middle with You (originally by Stealers Wheel but has been covered enough that most people will have some familiarity with it).
Since a lot of moderates want to consider themselves as the one reasonable person in the world and that song has connotations of moral superiority it could work to turn it back on them, such as Stuck in the Middle with 'You' (sorry don't know how to italicise words here). Or The Clowns and Jokers of the Middle.
Perhaps too wordy for true punch, but might hit the hipster demo.

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 6:01 AM  

I can't stick any more things into a reasonably compact word, heh.

Anonymous Beresford July 03, 2017 6:01 AM  

@20: True Conservatives support strange men watching little girls pee

True Conservatives supports cutting off little girl's clits

True Conservatives support sharia law in America

True Conservatives support our soldiers dying for Israel

True Conservatives support fag marriage

True Conservatives support surrending to the left instead of fighting back


@6 You are assuming (((Shapiro))) is merely misguided and not a wolf in sheep's clothing


Whenever a Conservative supports a pro Israel or pro muslim position then call them a good goy/good dhimmi

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 03, 2017 6:02 AM  

VD wrote:[“Fake News”] is a term originally coined by the media, but stolen and deployed against them, and one that strikes at the very heart of their self-value and self-identification as devotees of truth and accuracy.
It works because they know their public self-identification as truthy is a lie. What part of how ‘moderates’ self-identify to others is a lie?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 6:03 AM  

Final three for me.

Frauderats.

Fauxderpatsies.

Confrauderpettes.

Blogger Cubby8126 July 03, 2017 6:03 AM  

Republicant's

Blogger Cubby8126 July 03, 2017 6:03 AM  

Republicant's

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 6:05 AM  

Moderates are flexible - how about Limbo-Americans? How low can they go?

Windsocks?

Blogger VD July 03, 2017 6:06 AM  

Moderates believe they are fair and balanced. But since they seem to willfully ignore what's really going on, or ignore the real facts, they cannot truly be fair and balanced. So you have to mock that with your label. Obtuse?

You have it backwards again. Seriously, this isn't THAT hard. Look, the first step is to make a list of all the positive self-identified attributes they have. Here is a start:

Fair. Balanced. Thoughtful. Decent. Civil. Loyal.

Now, ask yourself this. What stuck with SJWs? What term do they hate? Was it Social Justice Cowards or Social Justice Warriors?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 6:07 AM  

@64. Unamused, Fairweather Flappers?

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 6:09 AM  

Barbooricans.

Blogger J A Baker July 03, 2017 6:10 AM  

"Jaywalkers", "Roadkill" or "Sunday Drivers", because of the phrase "middle of the road" used to describe a moderate position. Phrase such as "Learn how to drive!" "Stay in your lane!" or simply "Get out of the way!" could be effective responses to their moderate commtaries.

Anonymous Jim Mortensen July 03, 2017 6:10 AM  

@59. Principled Dhimmi could be great. Sadly enough of them are so ill-informed on the topics they support that they might not even know the term.

Blogger JP July 03, 2017 6:11 AM  

Flexservatives

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 6:12 AM  

@70. Flexslave-a-shivs?

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 6:12 AM  

Split the Baby voters?

Anonymous LES July 03, 2017 6:12 AM  

Bland band of brothers

Anonymous JAG July 03, 2017 6:12 AM  

Coexisterates

Anonymous DMV July 03, 2017 6:13 AM  

Loyal moderettes

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 6:13 AM  

@73. Les, how about just "Bland of Bothers".

Blogger JACIII July 03, 2017 6:14 AM  

Nothing has the bite of cuckservative.

Blogger JACIII July 03, 2017 6:15 AM  

Lanekeepers

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 6:16 AM  

Dodderflats?

Blogger Roger Hill July 03, 2017 6:16 AM  

House Honky Conservatives

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 03, 2017 6:17 AM  

“Balanced” feels useful, though that may be another one that only works in visual form. “Precariously balanced” would be accurate but not useful rhetoric.

“Thoughtful” isn't going to work because they actually believe themselves to be thoughtful people who can be reasoned with.

Hmm. They take pride in being ‘open-minded’.

Anonymous Benito July 03, 2017 6:18 AM  

Judeo-Christservative?

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 6:18 AM  

Fair. Balanced. Thoughtful. Decent. Civil. Loyal.

Perpetual Chin Strokers! Or maybe Incessant Chin Strokers.

Anonymous Rule of Wrist July 03, 2017 6:18 AM  

Fenservative. Someone who is so preoccupied with sitting on the fence that it's become lodged up his ads.

Toyservative. Small. Cowardly. Impossible to take seriously. Like a toy poodle. Some good meme potential there maybe...

Blogger Benjamin Kraft July 03, 2017 6:18 AM  

Broaderates.

Blogger Roger Hill July 03, 2017 6:19 AM  

I can't imagine anything topping Cuckservative. When I first came across it here I loved it. Short, to the point and funny.

Blogger Sillon Bono July 03, 2017 6:20 AM  

Lol, toygoy has a nice vibe.

Blogger Sillon Bono July 03, 2017 6:21 AM  

Roger Hill wrote:I can't imagine anything topping Cuckservative. When I first came across it here I loved it. Short, to the point and funny.

pre-servative. X-D

Blogger Cubby8126 July 03, 2017 6:21 AM  

Fence squatters.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 03, 2017 6:21 AM  

If not True Conservatives, perhaps Loyal(ist) Conservatives. It underlines the fact that, although they cloak themselves in patriotic and religious rhetoric, they are generally just foreigners loyal to the leftist agenda of the establishment and hostile to the country's centuries old principles (and they enjoy the paycheck such loyalty provides). And it is a reminder of the side they will be on in any armed struggle to defend those principles.

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 6:22 AM  

Knights Most True

Anonymous DMV July 03, 2017 6:23 AM  

Fence Huggers

Blogger Sillon Bono July 03, 2017 6:24 AM  

"pre-servatives", they have one single use and they get tossed to the side like the disgusting cum containers they are, they break easily and rarely help preventing the spread of bad politics.

Blogger Cubby8126 July 03, 2017 6:24 AM  

Immoral defenders

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 6:25 AM  

Loyalists might work, but that seems like it requires a bit too much historical knowledge to land much. (Plays on "Royalist".)

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 6:26 AM  

But we're not talking about TrueCons, we're talking about moderates. So riffs on "conservative" are beside the point, aren't they?

Besides, nothing's gonna top cuckservative for the (supposedly) right. But we're trying to find a slam for the roadkill in the middle now, aren't we?

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 6:27 AM  

Conservative Commander
Buckley's Bravest

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 6:28 AM  

And I still like Chin Strokers.

Anonymous Panzer Man July 03, 2017 6:28 AM  

I like "toygoy" myself.

About the best I can come up with is Civil Snivelers.

Anonymous DMV July 03, 2017 6:29 AM  

Compromiseders

Blogger JACIII July 03, 2017 6:30 AM  

bazi-goy

Anonymous Luca Brayson July 03, 2017 6:30 AM  

Quislings

Blogger J A Baker July 03, 2017 6:31 AM  

Useless Idiots

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 03, 2017 6:33 AM  

Respectables

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 6:34 AM  

Better Buckleys
Stiff Lower Lip

Blogger JACIII July 03, 2017 6:36 AM  

We already call them normies.....

Mr/Miss Oblivious

OpenID aew51183 July 03, 2017 6:37 AM  

one word: "appeasers"

It raises the historical image of Neville Chamberlain.

"If asked to weigh the final solution, these appeasers would give Hitler 3 million jews instead of 6."

Anonymous CoolHand July 03, 2017 6:38 AM  

Placebo Americans

Ostrich Americans

Training Bra Republicans

Wee Peeners

The Harrumph Caucus

Pinky Pointers

Redundant Americans

The Sad! Caucus

Supplicant Americans

Masochist Americans

The Brain Damage Caucus

Dead Enders

Detritus Americans

The Chump Caucus

Chump Americans

Limp Dicks

The Penny Loafer Caucus

Sitzpinklers

Blogger J A Baker July 03, 2017 6:38 AM  

Littlebits, as in a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and of course the obvious double meaning.

Blogger Roger Hill July 03, 2017 6:38 AM  

@99
Good point.... but the so-called 'center right' seems to be more a problem. Plus, I really don't know anyone who identifies as a pure, always in the middle moderate. They always seem to self identify as slightly one way or slightly another. Left Leaning Moderate... Right Leaning Moderate

Anonymous DMV July 03, 2017 6:38 AM  

Noblosers

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 6:39 AM  

Consistent Conservatives
Constant Conservative

Anonymous Opus July 03, 2017 6:39 AM  

Great Britain is ruled by The Conservative Party and as such twisting that party title into The Cuckservative Party strikes me as perfect rhetoric without need of improvement - although it can then only be used against those who support the said party. In America conservative is a term merely to indicate a political tendency and is thus perhaps less effective.

As SJWs are about as far from ones idea of a warrior as one can imagine Social Justice W..... anything you like, Wimps, Wankers, Wallies, Wannabes will deflate their pretensions.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 03, 2017 6:40 AM  

The target here is moderates; why are people suggesting names based on "conservative" or "Republican"? Moderates don't identify as either of those, by definition.

I suck at naming things, but the point is to take something moderates call themselves or think of as a positive aspect of being a moderate, and twist it to mock them by showing it to be a lie. As Vox said, SJW works because they like to think of themselves as warriors, but when we use it mockingly, it reminds them that they'd pee themselves if they ever came face-to-face with a real warrior.

So, how do moderates see themselves? Why do they think they're moderates? Because that shows they're smarter and wiser than the "extremists" on both sides. They're better than the extremists because they're able to see value in both sides instead of just one. They don't get emotional and caught up in ideologies and movements. They can be trusted to dispassionately look past the emotional fighting and find the best solutions for everyone. "Moderates know best" could be their motto.

Now, what's the reality? Why are they moderates, really? I'd say it's primarily fear. Fear of being wrong, fear of taking a position and going out on a limb for it and then either losing or being shown to be wrong. Fear of looking foolish, being called names, or being caught in a socially unacceptable position.

So, what's a name that describes their superior-feeling, wiser-than-thou, seeing-both-sides position in a way that reveals the fear and unwillingness to take a stand for anything which underlies it?

I'm drawing a blank at that point, due to the aforementioned sucking at names. But that's where the sweet spot is going to be: mock their self-identification in a way that reveals their true nature. What do moderates call themselves that can be shown to be false by mocking it?

Blogger Fenris Wulf July 03, 2017 6:41 AM  

"Cuckservative" works because it involves a despicable sexual perversion.

The term should conjure an image of a prissy, fastidious coward who appeases his enemies, backstabs his friends, and prevents other people from defending themselves. Think of old Cox & Forkum cartoons.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 6:41 AM  

Blindly Loyal
Thoughtful Racists
Dickless Wonders (is just an insult, but it'll hurt some)
Civil Nazis (More of a play on "Grammar Nazi")
Balanced Gestapo

It's a lot easier to brand a specific person, a large group takes time. I'm still amazed how brutal "#DraftOurDaughters" ended up being. It blew up on Facebook during the election because the rhetoric was so brillantly subtle.

Anonymous Hannes July 03, 2017 6:41 AM  

wardens of vanilla
grand custodians
evenhanded shepherds
taintless pilots
halfway cowboys

Blogger Robert What? July 03, 2017 6:41 AM  

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Blogger Salt July 03, 2017 6:42 AM  

Difficult to come up with such a term for the Conservative Clown Posse.

Blogger The Deuce July 03, 2017 6:42 AM  

I'm having a hard time thinking of a way to put it to a name, but I've got a good slogan for them: "Our Values Are Too Important To Fight For."

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 6:43 AM  

Conservative Commodores

Blogger Badpainter July 03, 2017 6:43 AM  

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Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 6:44 AM  

@117 Cail Corishev

They're the Fearful & Snooty middle. So the problem with finding rhetorical kill shots is they're actually a moving target the entire time.

Weathervanes?

Blogger Robert What? July 03, 2017 6:44 AM  

While Dhimmi is not a term they'd like to call themselves, I thought Dhimmservatives or Dhimminutives had a nice ring.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 6:44 AM  

Neutrals? Because as the ideological war heats up, that's what they're trying to be.

Call them Switzerlands.

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 6:44 AM  

Captain Conservative
Captain Americas

OpenID aew51183 July 03, 2017 6:45 AM  

@123

They're "appeasers" in the true Chamberlain sense.
Faced with the opportunity to stand up to oppressive, genocidal, theocratic muslims, they choose to stand in the way of the defense of their own civilization.

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 6:45 AM  

"Oh, look, you're just a Weatervane".

Hmm... there's something in that direction.

Blogger Badpainter July 03, 2017 6:45 AM  

Good Losers

Never win, readily accept defeat. More concerned about process and appearance than results.

Blogger Lucas July 03, 2017 6:45 AM  

"Obama Conservatives" made me laugh and I think its powerful.

Anonymous swede July 03, 2017 6:46 AM  

Sensible submissives?

They view themselves as the reasonable adults, yet always submit and must be secretly ashamed of it.

Anonymous Unamused Flyover Resident July 03, 2017 6:47 AM  

#122 - But we're supposed to be coming up with names for moderates, not "conservatives."

Anonymous Ryan F July 03, 2017 6:47 AM  

Since they love being the useless and loyal 2nd place opposition opining on muh principles from their think tanks:

The Blue Ribbon School

or

The Harlem Globetrotters

Anonymous Pug July 03, 2017 6:47 AM  

PMS - proud moderate spectator

This isn't something they would notice or take offence in. It can't be weaponized.

But I like the acronym nonetheless.

It's not easy to come up with effective name for them. SJW's at least think of themselves as warriors, they want to fight, they invest themselves. What do moderates do?

117 Cail Corishev is on point.

That's the target to shoot at.

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 6:48 AM  

All Star Conservatives
Hollywood Conservatives

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 6:49 AM  

Wow, I can't even type my own attempt at a meme correctly. "Weathervane".

https://infogalactic.com/info/Weather_vane

"Weathercock" is acceptable as well! And it's a proper term. :)

Blogger The Deuce July 03, 2017 6:49 AM  

Social Justice Squires

Blogger Robert What? July 03, 2017 6:50 AM  

@BadPainter,

I do like "Good Losers" although I don't know if it would fit into Vox's guidelines.

Anonymous JT July 03, 2017 6:51 AM  

Surprised no one yet has said:

Fake American

I think I saw it used on Heartiste's Twitter when he had one & the meltdown that ensued when used on moderates.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen July 03, 2017 6:51 AM  

'Civil' is the killshot. Not only is it how they self-identify, but it cuts to the heart of their problem with the alt-right.

I'm no wordsmith, so I am unsure how best to weaponize it. But 'civil conservative', dripping with distain, emphasizing the first word, would be a start.

Or 'civilist'? Force them to confront the fact that all their other supposed values come a distant second.

Or what about 'civil warrior', one who engages in 'civil war' (and loses)?

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 6:52 AM  

Moderates think themselves as either apart from the fray or they pick & choose. However, we know they work by whichever way the wind is blowing, thus they're just a bunch of "Weathervanes".

A tad more sublte & not nuclear class as #FakeNews, but everyone should know what a Weathervane is. Which is kind of useful in the massive target we're after.

Blogger Salt July 03, 2017 6:52 AM  

Pug wrote:What do moderates do?



Nothing, really.

Anonymous CoolHand July 03, 2017 6:54 AM  

Proposition Americans

Doorstop Americans

Conservmedats

Staunchists

Water Closet Warriors

Anonymous Dan July 03, 2017 6:54 AM  

I think the most effective shiv would be a play on 'Patriot'. They are patriots to other nations.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 03, 2017 6:55 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:The target here is moderates; why are people suggesting names based on "conservative" or "Republican"?
The same reason people are suggesting Frankenmanteaus: MPAI.

Looking Glass wrote:Moderates think themselves as either apart from the fray or they pick & choose. However, we know they work by whichever way the wind is blowing,
But do they know that?

If they do, “lemmings” would be better in that vein.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 03, 2017 6:55 AM  

Concernative
Creepservative
Cowervative

Blogger Jakob Niedzwiecki July 03, 2017 6:56 AM  

White Knights.

Blogger #6277 Hammer July 03, 2017 6:56 AM  

The Moderately Principled
The Moderately Balanced
The Moderately Fair
etc

Blogger JACIII July 03, 2017 6:56 AM  

Jockstrap holder

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume July 03, 2017 6:58 AM  

Lol! This is kind of funny to read. After all of VDs lectures, I don't think the definition of rhetoric has really sunk in around here. Not that my suggestions will be any better, mind you...

The two most promising I have read here are:

Toy-goy and Transervative



Although, whoever brought up Steeler's Wheel now has Stuck in the Middle With Jew running through my head constantly. Thanks.

Chumpublican?
Chimpublican?
Limpublican?

Moderatrix?
Smoderates?
Shufflecocks?


Anonymous Achates July 03, 2017 6:59 AM  

Nice guy conservative

Anonymous DMV July 03, 2017 6:59 AM  

Bipartisaps

Anonymous mantle of hate July 03, 2017 6:59 AM  

Ok, I think Vox's example of calling SJW's SJW's instead of some antonym only works well because they chose for themselves a name that was grandiose and 'self mocking'. Clearly they aren't warriors and they know it.

Following that logic conservatives should be called...

"Conserv"atives.

It turns their name back on them, while highlighting the nature of it that until now may not have seemed self-mocking - unlike SJW's it wasn't always obvious that conservatives conserved nothing. But just like SJWarriors are the furthest thing from being warriors, "Conserv"atives are the last people to actually conserve anything.

Anonymous JT July 03, 2017 7:00 AM  

And for my own original rhetoric

Civil Loyalist

Going for that Agree & Amplify route..

Anonymous I wrote the Magna Carta July 03, 2017 7:00 AM  

Trojans
Betacons

Blogger F.D. Stephens July 03, 2017 7:00 AM  

Preservatives.

Anonymous Sjonnar July 03, 2017 7:01 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:The target here is moderates; why are people suggesting names based on "conservative" or "Republican"? Moderates don't identify as either of those, by definition.

I suck at naming things, but the point is to take something moderates call themselves or think of as a positive aspect of being a moderate, and twist it to mock them by showing it to be a lie. As Vox said, SJW works because they like to think of themselves as warriors, but when we use it mockingly, it reminds them that they'd pee themselves if they ever came face-to-face with a real warrior.

So, how do moderates see themselves? Why do they think they're moderates? Because that shows they're smarter and wiser than the "extremists" on both sides. They're better than the extremists because they're able to see value in both sides instead of just one. They don't get emotional and caught up in ideologies and movements. They can be trusted to dispassionately look past the emotional fighting and find the best solutions for everyone. "Moderates know best" could be their motto.

Now, what's the reality? Why are they moderates, really? I'd say it's primarily fear. Fear of being wrong, fear of taking a position and going out on a limb for it and then either losing or being shown to be wrong. Fear of looking foolish, being called names, or being caught in a socially unacceptable position.

So, what's a name that describes their superior-feeling, wiser-than-thou, seeing-both-sides position in a way that reveals the fear and unwillingness to take a stand for anything which underlies it?

I'm drawing a blank at that point, due to the aforementioned sucking at names. But that's where the sweet spot is going to be: mock their self-identification in a way that reveals their true nature. What do moderates call themselves that can be shown to be false by mocking it?


Hm. They see themselves as above it all, want to bring both sides together by being able to see both viewpoints. Peacemakers? Civil Peacemakers, maybe?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 03, 2017 7:01 AM  

Paper fetishists

OpenID aew51183 July 03, 2017 7:03 AM  

play off "principled"

"Principled Capitulators"
"Principled Appeasers"
"Principled Enablers" (of insert universally despised element here)

Anonymous JAG July 03, 2017 7:04 AM  

LurkingPuppy wrote:Cail Corishev wrote:The target here is moderates; why are people suggesting names based on "conservative" or "Republican"?

The same reason people are suggesting Frankenmanteaus: MPAI.

Looking Glass wrote:Moderates think themselves as either apart from the fray or they pick & choose. However, we know they work by whichever way the wind is blowing,

But do they know that?

If they do, “lemmings” would be better in that vein.


Come up with one, and show us how it's done.

Blogger ElusiveObvious July 03, 2017 7:04 AM  

Ten Gallon Twat

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 03, 2017 7:04 AM  

The post says the exercise is to come up with an alternative for cuckservative. It would therefore seem plays on the conservative label are appropriate. "Conservatives" are moderates (generally leftists) regardless of how they choose to self-identify.

OpenID aew51183 July 03, 2017 7:05 AM  

one more I missed:
"Principled Fifth Column"

Blogger Salt July 03, 2017 7:06 AM  

Problem with moderates is, they are bland. They don't stand out. In many ways they're all democrats. They're cowards; yellow star republicans.

Blogger Daniel July 03, 2017 7:08 AM  

spanish argento speaker here, but i'll give a try.
rotten as opposed to conserva

conservarottens

Blogger Mark July 03, 2017 7:09 AM  

The Legislatively Correct

Anonymous Harambe July 03, 2017 7:10 AM  

Moderate-Americans

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 03, 2017 7:10 AM  

Runservatives
Modcons
Fair and balanced

Blogger WK July 03, 2017 7:10 AM  

Mod cisgender with sissy,

sis-ervatives.

Or just go with cis-ervative.

Anonymous roadrage July 03, 2017 7:11 AM  

Why not just call 'em what they are?

Gutless sellouts.

Blogger 4499 July 03, 2017 7:12 AM  

Flaccids.

Blogger Doomfinger July 03, 2017 7:12 AM  

Noble Consirvative?

Blogger Sillon Bono July 03, 2017 7:12 AM  

"Civil preservatives"

"moderate preservatives"

"honest preservatives"

Blogger JACIII July 03, 2017 7:13 AM  

Modertraitors

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 03, 2017 7:13 AM  

Wisely indecisive?

Blogger Keith July 03, 2017 7:13 AM  

Good boys
Mama Said's
Dudley Do-Rights

Anonymous Aeoli Pera July 03, 2017 7:14 AM  

Chamberlains
Fairweather warriors
Failservatives

Blogger J A Baker July 03, 2017 7:15 AM  

Swingers

Blogger Sillon Bono July 03, 2017 7:15 AM  

"goy-servatives"

"converge-tives"

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 7:15 AM  

Conservative Socialists

Anonymous Panzer Man July 03, 2017 7:15 AM  

Traitriots.

Blogger c0pperheaded July 03, 2017 7:16 AM  

Comstitutional White Knights

Blogger Sillon Bono July 03, 2017 7:16 AM  

"Failservatives" <---- ding! ding! ding! ding!

Blogger Roger Hill July 03, 2017 7:18 AM  

@153
I need to get this Rhetoric thing right in my own head. I admittedly stink at it. Why does it seem so entertaining and perfect when I read it from the likes of Vox, and yet so counter intuitive when I try employing it myself? I think I just haven't given it enough thought yet.

Anonymous LurkingPuppy July 03, 2017 7:18 AM  

J A Baker wrote:Swingers
Ow. That could work.

Anonymous Simplytimothy July 03, 2017 7:18 AM  

Big Whigs

Blogger Roger Hill July 03, 2017 7:19 AM  

Or maybe some of us are overthinking it

Anonymous Gun Show Trash July 03, 2017 7:20 AM  

Winston Churchill had some wonderful ways to identify his opposition. Time for me to review and culturally appropriate.

"The Spineless Wonders"
"B-Gamers"
"Muddle Management"
"Rocket Riders to Nowhere"
"Free Trade Zombies"

Anonymous Looking Glass July 03, 2017 7:20 AM  

@188 LurkingPuppy

"Swingers" is definitely better than my "Weathervane", as it's in the same area but a lot more nasty. Also a good play on "Swing voter".

Blogger stareatgoatsies July 03, 2017 7:22 AM  

A name that sums up "winning is for losers"... Or "everybody wins if we take both sides". In fewer words and with more punch.

Blogger Desiderius July 03, 2017 7:23 AM  

Cool Moms

Blogger Markus July 03, 2017 7:23 AM  

Staunch defeatists

Anonymous Damian Michael July 03, 2017 7:23 AM  

1. MBAs - Modern Benedict Arnolds.

2. PBSers - Principled Back-Stabbers.

3. TTCs - Thoughtful Turn-Coats (or Principled Turn-Coats (PTCs), or even Moderate Turn-Coats (MTCs).

4. Loyally Yellow.

5. Craven Conservatives.

6. Moderates = DFS - Decent, Fair, Spineless.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 03, 2017 7:24 AM  

Neutrals?

I kinda like that one because it reminds me of Zapp Brannigan: "I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand, but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me."

It has potential because they think they take the neutral position because it's superior, but that's a lie. It needs a twist to expose that, though.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) July 03, 2017 7:24 AM  

Moderapists

Anonymous Sensei July 03, 2017 7:26 AM  

Centerfolds

Anonymous A_Lurker July 03, 2017 7:27 AM  

For repubs, I think we're missing the gop acronym, and someone mentioned flexible so I propose

FOPs, Flexible Old Party(ers)

or

Mops for moderate.

For actual moderates, I imagine "the lukewarms" or "bench riders" as it implies uselessness as well as not playing the game.

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