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Sunday, July 02, 2017

They will NEVER be Americans

And when pressed to choose, they will even admit it.
Dear Mexican: I’ve read that 75% of Americans are against giving illegal immigrants citizenship. I’m for full amnesty and citizenship for the current 12 million that are here, but I have two absolute conditions. First, the border is locked up by both the U.S. and Mexico, and illegal entries are reduced by 90% even if that takes the military of both countries. Second, that citizenship would require pledging allegiance to America and denouncing their Mexican citizenship. My question is: Do you think that the Mexican portion of the 12 million would agree to this? And do you think the Mexican government would agree to helping to close the border if full amnesty was given to those that are now here?

Dear Gabacho: You heard about how Donald Trump wants to build a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border and equip it with solar panels? Your idea is stupider. Primeramente, locking up the border accomplishes nada. There’s less Mexicans coming into los Estados Unidos right now not because of Trump’s pendejadas but because the United States is turning into Mexico—so why not just stay in Mexico? And putting both the American and Mexican military on la frontera is a waste of resources and firepower better used against the Saudis. Segundamente, any Mexican who would become legal has to pledge allegiance to the U.S.—it’s call the “naturalization oath of allegiance,” pendejo. And who cares if they have dual citizenship? Mexicans only get that so they can own land down there instead of having to give it up to the government—unless you’d rather Mexicans give that up and bring up their 91-year-old Tía Goya to live in el Norte? Gabachos like you need to get it into your mind that Mexicans (and other immigrants, for that matter) can simultaneously be American yet have another country on their mind, and not be disloyal to the Stars and Stripes. Why do conservatives get all pissy about that, yet cheer on losers who still love the Confederacy? Oh, yeah—because gabacho.
Now, why would an immigrant from Mexico who is here to work hard and seek a better life and truly loves America be unwilling to give up his Mexican citizenship? Oh, they only keep it so they can own land down in Mexico, right.

And why would Americans be any more upset about Tía Goya coming to live off US welfare than they are about her children, grandchildren, nieces, and nephews doing so?

A man cannot serve two masters. Nor can a man belong to two nations.

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101 Comments:

Blogger Dirtnapninja July 02, 2017 8:18 AM  

They see america (and the west) as nothing more than a vast lootbag to be plundered for goodies.

Blogger Johnny July 02, 2017 8:18 AM  

The certain undeniable thing for me is that we have lost our way. The rest is what do we do about. Perhaps the pushing of the "thou shall not be racist" line has gotten to the point where the only workable outcome is the flip side. But ideally it would be better for the Mexicans to self define themselves. It would have to be done more by attitude than by test. America love it or leave it would be the test. None of this hyphenated-American crap.

Anonymous Lulabelle July 02, 2017 8:18 AM  

I had to click the link to check the date on the article. 12 million? I thought maybe it was written in 1980.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 02, 2017 8:26 AM  

Can we go to Mexico City and burn it and call it the "March to the sea?"

Anonymous Mr. Rational July 02, 2017 8:32 AM  

The Mexodus of 40 million or so would collapse rental markets as well as employment in parts of the economy such as prisons.  We'd see massive upward pressure on wages in service industries and things like meatpacking, and automation outright eliminating jobs in agriculture.  The trend toward robotic milking parlors on dairy farms would be replicated everywhere.

All the Nintendo-playing kids in their parents' basements would have actual JOBS they could take to get themselves out of the house.  They'd have actual AFFORDABLE HOUSING they could live in without having to deal with ethnic hostility and crime.

It would be glorious!

Anonymous Avalanche July 02, 2017 8:33 AM  

@2 "But ideally it would be better for the Mexicans to self define themselves. It would have to be done more by attitude than by test. America love it or leave it would be the test. None of this hyphenated-American crap."

So,you're a cuck too, eh? They are ALREADY "self-defined": they are Mexicans (i.e. *NOT* Americans!). They CANNOT be Americans -- or else they would have already created their own version of America south of the AMERICAN border!! (God knows, we've given everyone enough example and help and money to DO so!)

NO attitude makes you an American! (Just as no attitude UNmakes you an American -- else all those liberal idiots would cease to BE Americans, yes? (Hey! Then THEY would have to go back: a teeny thing -- but not nearly enough -- to recommend it!)

"America love it or leave it": America -- if you "LOVE" it, then DON'T try to come here! Make your own version (elsewhere!). Do you want some stranger who "loves" you moving into your house and living off your work and changing your stuff -- and doing your children out of THEIR heritage and rights?! Same thing for OUR country! NOT theirs! "Love" does not give you ANY rights whatsoever to TAKE from the person or thing or concept you (claim to) "LOVE" -- that's NOT love! (Covet not, eh?)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 02, 2017 8:36 AM  

7 billion or so people on the planet and they yearn to have Nice White Neighbors who keep their place up and who are there to create Magic Dirt.

Its true that some of these not Whites display the worst human traits of envy and hate towards those Nice White Neighbors but that is out of jealousy and their own failings. (they project)

Anonymous Chertoff JerkOff July 02, 2017 8:37 AM  

A man cannot serve two masters. Nor can a man belong to two nations

Watch yo mouth, boy

Anonymous Teapartydoc July 02, 2017 8:46 AM  

If Mexicans can own land here we should be able to own land there. Open up that can of worms and maybe we can talk. It might be a nice way of getting a few New York cosmopolitans to move to nicer climes, too.

Blogger Lazarus July 02, 2017 8:48 AM  

can simultaneously be American yet have another country on their mind, and not be disloyal to the Stars and Stripes.

Except when Mexico plays the US in soccer, maybe.

Blogger Lucas July 02, 2017 8:55 AM  

The mear question of they having to make a choice makes them angry. Let that sink in.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 02, 2017 8:55 AM  

Gotta love the logic: you don't have to worry about the border, because America is turning as crappy as Mexico so Mexicans aren't coming there anyway; but don't you dare try to control the border, or we'll call you dirty names in Spanish and send you our 91-year-old grandmothers. (What's he got against old ladies, anyway?)

I especially like the fact that he blames "conservatives" for wanting to get tough on the border. All their decades of virtue signaling, campaigning in Spanish, promoting amnesty, talking about those wonderful Hispanic family values -- all for naught.

Anonymous JAG July 02, 2017 8:56 AM  

I’m for full amnesty and citizenship for the current 12 million that are here, but I have two absolute conditions.

sigh

First off, there's more than 12 million in Los Angeles alone. I would estimate that 15 to 25 of California's Electoral College votes are entirely due to illegals being counted towards their totals.

Second of all, does this person really expect the conditions to be kept? You really think that the globalists would lock down our border after amnesty? Don't be a fool.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan July 02, 2017 9:06 AM  

If Critical Theory were applied to the glorious people of color for just a month as it has been applied to whites the GPoC would be broken, completely broken. I would even feel sorry for the GPoC.

I've skimmed the author's pieces from time to time and he basically is doing just that implicitly, and a person could probably have some fun with that, especially since the anti-White Critical Theory is now down to parody that even conservative intellectuals are having a hard time keeping a straight face.

Anonymous JAG July 02, 2017 9:09 AM  

Your idea is stupider. Primeramente, locking up the border accomplishes nada.

I'd like to put this theory to a real world test. This cabrón is very wrong about what locking up our border with Mexico would accomplish.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 02, 2017 9:12 AM  

Second of all, does this person really expect the conditions to be kept?

He signed his email "Wally Wall," so I'm pretty sure he was setting the Mexican up to make a point about the lie we often hear, that Magic Dirt turns immigrants into Americans who think just like other Americans and want to preserve America's posterity (which is now their posterity, right?) just as much as anyone.

While it's true that some immigrants take an "I got mine and I don't wanna share" attitude, that doesn't necessarily apply to their family members. So even the immigrant who says he's against moar immigration because it's already hard enough to find work in the USA, generally has a few people back home he'd like to make an exception for. So they all want that border kept open, regardless of what you offer in exchange, as this conversation shows.

Anonymous BBGKB July 02, 2017 9:20 AM  

But ideally it would be better for the Mexicans to self define themselves. It

Their actions define them as latino litterers but they would never admit it.

The Mexodus of 40 million or so would collapse rental markets as well as employment in parts of the economy such as prisons

Not more treating diaper rash in the ER

Mexicans can own land here....a few New York cosmopolitans to move to nicer climes, too.

Epecially since the age of consent is 12yo in Mexico.

anti-White Critical Theory is now down to parody that even conservative intellectuals are having a hard time keeping a straight face

I couldn't believe when colored people time became listed as part of their cultural time orientation.

Blogger wreckage July 02, 2017 9:21 AM  

How does a nation having control of its borders "achieve nothing"? It achieves sovereignty.

The border can be closed, or rather, enforced as an actual border ought. Once that has been shown, the cat is out of the bag; nobody will ever win an election again without supporting it. Even immigrants will support it... especially when there's an "us and them" of legitimate migrants and people who've been shipped back out.

Blogger Unknown July 02, 2017 9:28 AM  

They have to go back. With cattle prod encouragement, if necessary.

And Mr. Rational is right:

"The Mexodus of 40 million or so would collapse rental markets as well as employment in parts of the economy such as prisons. We'd see massive upward pressure on wages in service industries and things like meatpacking, and automation outright eliminating jobs in agriculture. The trend toward robotic milking parlors on dairy farms would be replicated everywhere.

All the Nintendo-playing kids in their parents' basements would have actual JOBS they could take to get themselves out of the house. They'd have actual AFFORDABLE HOUSING they could live in without having to deal with ethnic hostility and crime.

It would be glorious!"

Blogger YIH July 02, 2017 9:35 AM  

@13 JAG:
Second of all, does this person really expect the conditions to be kept? You really think that the globalists would lock down our border after amnesty? Don't be a fool.
That was the line back in '86 when (numbers vary between 1.5 and 3 million were amnestied) and it's why the '07 attempt failed hard. It's also why, despite supporting it in '07, 0bama never brought that subject up his whole time as Prez.
The 12 million figure has been bandied about for years, estimates range anywhere from 12-38 million depending on who you ask. Like other gov/advocacy stats, I take it with a grain of salt.

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 02, 2017 9:45 AM  

True, but these people would still not be Americans even if they gave up their Mexican passports, sold their land, cut all ties to Mexico and always gave 100% priority to US interests. This would merely make them model foreigners.

Blogger Johnny July 02, 2017 9:48 AM  

BBGKB wrote:But ideally it would be better for the Mexicans to self define themselves. It

Their actions define them as latino litterers but they would never admit it.


Well exactly. I agree. You let them define themselves by their actions. For starters decrease the benefits that a lot them get just by being here, and a large portion of the non working population would self deport. The easiest and nicest solution. They just leave. As in other things in life, the first actions should be the easy ones, the low cost, low effort solution. Hey, pick the low hanging fruit first.

Blogger Sam Lively July 02, 2017 9:52 AM  

OT, but looking forward to VD's take on Trump's entrance into meme warfare.

I've been laughing for about 30 minutes straight.

Blogger Charles555nc July 02, 2017 10:05 AM  

#ConservativeEthnostate. The left and miniorities are anti meritocracy, anti rule of law, anti western, and the majority of each are anti white. My white kids deserve a safe future!

Blogger dc.sunsets July 02, 2017 10:22 AM  

This is a wonderful illustration of how little open-borders advocates grasp identity and its relevance.

Are SWPLs really so shallow? They belong in a two-dimensional universe.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 02, 2017 10:23 AM  

Teapartydoc wrote:If Mexicans can own land here we should be able to own land there. Open up that can of worms and maybe we can talk. It might be a nice way of getting a few New York cosmopolitans to move to nicer climes, too.

Americans are very much a Fair minded people. Being Fair is one of their greatest weaknesses.

That is why I have advocated for decades a strict policy of reciprocity toward foreign citizens. WE should treat them EXACTLY the same way their country treats Americans. If Americans are not allowed to own land (like in Mexico) then their citizens are not allowed to own land in the USA. If Americans are immediately deported for getting involved in politics in Mexico, the same rule should apply to Mexicans in the USA. Treat foreign citizens exactly the same way they treat our citizens who go to their country. What would be the immediate result? An improvement in the way Americans are treated abroad.

When a US Marine took the wrong turn and ended up in Mexico, he was thrown in prison for many months because he had a firearm in the trunk of his car. Do the exact same thing to any Mexican with a firearm in the USA. Yes, my Dad quit going to the gun range in Yell County, Arkansas, because he was always outnumbered by Mexicans. It is yet another crime for illegal aliens to own or purchase firearms (or ammo) in the USA. Enforce the law without favor. That is how this country works.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2017 10:31 AM  

@dc.sunsets they never interract with blacks, mexicans, etc. Not beyond "the nice man who cuts my lawn/sells me tacos/says hi to me every morning/ rapes me how I like".

Blogger Johnny July 02, 2017 10:34 AM  

DonReynolds wrote:WE should treat them EXACTLY the same way their country treats Americans.

Why it is I don't know but our government does not work to the interests of American citizens, and often not to the national interest also. Trump has improved things somewhat, but not all that much yet.

Anonymous BBGKB July 02, 2017 10:38 AM  

Magic dirt alert- Black/brown tranny on tranny killing

http://www.towleroad.com/2017/06/transgender-murder-2017/

Anonymous Anonymous July 02, 2017 10:38 AM  

At work recently, I asked a Latin American mechanic if he had seen one of the other mechanics who was supposed to be helping me with something. This Latin American mechanic asked, "Is the guy you're looking for Hispanic or is he American?"

Blogger AnD July 02, 2017 10:44 AM  

A man cannot serve two masters. Nor can a man belong to two nations.

Could that be the reason for our endless wars in the mideast? How many members of congress hold dual citizenship? Seems to be working out just fine.

Anonymous DonReynolds July 02, 2017 10:47 AM  

NO MORE DEALS ON AMNESTY!

WE tried that in 1987 and the Leftists did not keep their end of the bargain.
Ronald Reagan wanted to solve the problem, once and for all. NEVER again would their be another amnesty of illegal aliens. In return for a mere ONE million amnesties, we would have a long list of immigration enforcement measures. Once the bureaucrats in the Deep State got their hands on the deal, it turned into FOUR million amnesties.....including amnesty for those who had never been to the USA, still living in Mexico, due to "chain immigration". Yes, of course, they were all "close family", but they did not have to prove a damned thing. Just say it, and there were plenty of people to coach them on what to say....in Spanish.

WE cannot make deals with people who refuse to keep their end of the bargain. They have the worst credit imaginable. Before we can even consider making yet another amnesty deal, they must make good on the promises they have walked away from the past thirty years.

That is why there can never be another amnesty deal, no matter if it is 12 million or 60 million. No more rotten one-sided deals. They came here to steal and that is exactly what they do...every single day. Either they self-deport, or they are returned to their own country by force, or we bury them here. There is no fourth choice.

Blogger Matt July 02, 2017 10:59 AM  

I don't want amnesty for any of them. I dont care if they do choose USA. I don't care what country the illegal in question comes from. Get rid of them all. Polish, Irish, Peruvian, whatever. THEY HAVE TO GO BACK

Blogger praetorian July 02, 2017 11:00 AM  

OT, but looking forward to VD's take on Trump's entrance into meme warfare.

MADMAN:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/881503147168071680

Covfefe is being served extra spicy today.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton July 02, 2017 11:07 AM  

I suggest that it is necessary unconditionally to abolish "dual-'citizenship.'"

Blogger DeploraBard July 02, 2017 11:15 AM  

Does his 91 year old grandma say if you hate the jews you hate yourself too?

Blogger DeploraBard July 02, 2017 11:17 AM  

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Anonymous Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 11:25 AM  

"A man cannot serve two masters. Nor can a man belong to two nations."

The "Masters" analogy is incorrect. One is not a slave to a nation. The better analogy is "two loves", which of course once can have. Furthermore there isn't any good reason why one can't belong to two nations.

Blogger Johnny July 02, 2017 11:30 AM  

Amnesty is covert immigration policy. No point in it. Do it one at a time by not expelling if you choose to, but none of this millions get a pass in one big go.

Blogger pyrrhus July 02, 2017 11:47 AM  

Even the American public is dead set against amnesty, and that includes many minorities...People intuitively know that you can love 2 nations (for example, I love America and (the old) France, but you can only be loyal to one.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 02, 2017 11:47 AM  

38. Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 11:25 AM
The better analogy is "two loves", which of course once can have.



you be sure and tell God how he got that wrong, why don't you?

Anonymous Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 11:49 AM  

"you be sure and tell God how he got that wrong, why don't you?"

I've never seen such a non sequitur. What in the world does Gods have to do with this conversation?

Blogger Elder Son July 02, 2017 11:49 AM  

Furthermore there isn't any good reason why one can't belong to two nations.

For you will hate one and love the other.

https://i.redd.it/syrgdlrl6rby.jpg

And some people are too stoo-pid to realize that every time a Mexican flag is raised in America, they are telling you that you are a conquered peoples.

Anonymous Sharrukin July 02, 2017 11:52 AM  

38. Samuel Gott

The "Masters" analogy is incorrect. One is not a slave to a nation.

Masters is in fact correct.

They can require you to serve in combat and your life may be the price paid.

You are loyal to one or the other. It's as simple as that.

The better analogy is "two loves", which of course once can have.

So the US is the pump-and-dump for Mexicans?

Sounds right.

Furthermore there isn't any good reason why one can't belong to two nations.

You cannot be both Japanese and Turkish. Even a mongrel will be one or the other...or neither. Not both.

Nation does not mean what you think it does. It isn't just a border, or a social club.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 02, 2017 12:10 PM  

42. Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 11:49 AM
What in the world does Gods have to do with this conversation?



tell Soros you aren't qualified to draw a paycheck, Xer "Gott".

https://www.google.com/search?q=Gott&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:24

Blogger JaimeInTexas July 02, 2017 12:14 PM  

Full amnesty ... as soon as there is no welfare nor government owned lands.

Anonymous Avalanche July 02, 2017 12:17 PM  

@13 "Second of all, does this person really expect the conditions to be kept? You really think that the globalists would lock down our border after amnesty? Don't be a fool."

Aw, come one! It happened after Ronnie Raygun gave them amnes..... er ...never mind.

Anonymous Jonathan July 02, 2017 12:17 PM  

I was visiting with an elderly shut in from my church on Friday and Jeopardy happened to be on TV. Alex Trebeck was dressed in a Canadian hockey sweater and several categories of questions were related to Canada's 150 year independence anniversary. Trebeck was gleeful talking about his homeland, even though he became a US citizen 20 years ago.

While watching this, the elderly gentleman says to me, that's why you don't let foreigners become citizens. Trebeck loves Canada more than the US. Becoming a US citizen was just a matter of convenience.

Anonymous Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 12:18 PM  

"Masters is in fact correct.

They can require you to serve in combat and your life may be the price paid."

You can always choose not to serve, you can CHOOSE to leave. Were one a slave with a master, the choice would not exist.

"You cannot be both Japanese and Turkish. Even a mongrel will be one or the other...or neither. Not both.

"Nation does not mean what you think it does. It isn't just a border, or a social club."

A nation is in fact a border. What you want to suggest is that a specific kind of people make a nation. This simply isn't true. We know this because we can see that what defines America has changed many times. So have other nations. Look at the boarder between France and Germany. Furthermore, the demographic composition of country's has changed constantly.

The ethnic/racial idea of nationhood will never take hold because it defies how people understand themselves. They don't see themselves as primarily white or Anglo or Italian or Jewish or old or smart or disabled or educated. People understand themselves as many things.

The person who defines themselves primarily as White or Black or American are too simple a thinker to spend much time thinking about. Plus, they are too few in number to matter.

Anonymous Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 12:21 PM  

"https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:24"

This is irrelevant.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 02, 2017 12:21 PM  

I suggest that it is necessary unconditionally to abolish "dual-'citizenship.'"
Yep. Anyone who considers somewhere else "home" needs to go there, and go there now.

When the battlefield is my home, there's nowhere for me to retreat.

Leftists and their totems might want to consider what that means.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 02, 2017 12:22 PM  

49. Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 12:18 PM
The person who defines themselves primarily as White or Black or American are too simple a thinker to spend much time thinking about.



says the fool who can't tell the difference between a State and a Nation.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 02, 2017 12:22 PM  

you're irrelevant.

Anonymous Avalanche July 02, 2017 12:22 PM  

OT, but since we're calculating the uncounted, here's good news that has me smiling:

From here: https://bearingarms.com/jenn-j/2017/06/27/more-than-600-million-firearms-in-america/

...
The fact is, while there is no definitive way to tally all the firearms in the United States, it is commonly accepted and reported that there are roughly 300 million firearms in the hands of law-abiding Americans.

But has anyone else noticed that number hasn't moved in years, even in the 8 years Obama sparked an increase in gun sales, the gun run during Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, and after the NICS background checks system set new records for 15 straight months (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/04/sign-surging-sales-gun-related-background-checks-break-monthly-record.html)?

So what if that "300 million" estimate is wrong?

According to Weapons Man (http://weaponsman.com/?p=33875), it is:

We believe that the correct number is much higher — somewhere between 412 and 660 million. You may wonder how we came to that number, so buckle up (and cringe, if you're a math-phobe, although it never gets too theoretical): unlike most of the academics and reporters we linked above, we're going to use publicly available data, and show our work.

What if we told you that one ATF computer system logged, by serial number, 252,000,000 unique firearms, and represented only those firearms manufactured, imported or sold by a relatively small number of the nation’s tens of thousands of Federal Firearms Licensees? ...

Blogger dc.sunsets July 02, 2017 12:27 PM  

Furthermore there isn't any good reason why one can't belong to two nations.

You are incorrect, asshole.

A man will pour resources into one or the other. He will attempt to change his adopted digs to suit his tastes, tastes acquired from his "other love" and which by DEFINITION conflict with those of people who preceded him in his adopted land.

I've a gift for those who continually wish to change MY home, over MY objections, to be more suitable to them: it's the gift of a cranial lead infusion.

Your attitude is a declaration of war.

Blogger dc.sunsets July 02, 2017 12:29 PM  

Full amnesty ... as soon as there is no welfare nor government owned lands.

Full amnesty NEVER. Start with first principles!

Blogger dc.sunsets July 02, 2017 12:32 PM  

The person who defines themselves primarily as White or Black or American are too simple a thinker to spend much time thinking about. Plus, they are too few in number to matter.

Rabbit, rabbit, you think you're superior to identity, but all you reveal is the ignorance that comes from the sheltered life of a child, or from volitional blindness.

Blogger alex69elijah9yaki July 02, 2017 12:37 PM  

que forma mas horrible de hablar el español tienen los mexicanos, ademas de que junto con los centroamericanos son la peor clase de "hispanos", lastima que estos sean el 80% de los latinos en Estados Unidos

Blogger Sheila4g July 02, 2017 12:42 PM  

@46 JaimeinTexas: "Full amnesty ... as soon as there is no welfare nor government owned lands."

No. As @21 Bobby Farr noted, ". . . but these people would still not be Americans even if they gave up their Mexican passports, sold their land, cut all ties to Mexico and always gave 100% priority to US interests. This would merely make them model foreigners."

What about the difference between model foreigners/guests and Americans is so difficult to comprehend?

Anonymous Sharrukin July 02, 2017 12:42 PM  

49. Samuel Gott

You can always choose not to serve

You really are completely ignorant of the world around you.

The Selective Service System is an independent agency of the United States government that maintains information on those potentially subject to military conscription.

You might also look into the "stop loss" program.

you can CHOOSE to leave. Were one a slave with a master, the choice would not exist.

That is called desertion and they can imprison, or shoot you for that.

Bergdahl is the word you need to investigate for this one.

The ethnic/racial idea of nationhood will never take hold because it defies how people understand themselves.

Words to investigate for this bit of idiocy.

La Raza, Rwanda, Israel, 'former Yugoslavia'...well what's the point?

Anyone making a statement this obtuse has a shield of invincible ignorance that reality cannot penetrate.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 02, 2017 12:58 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:Your attitude is a declaration of war.

Damn straight. We gotta call it as it is, and quislings (or foreign instigators/infiltrators) like this guy are enemies; dangerous and despicable ones.

Blogger Elder Son July 02, 2017 1:06 PM  

@50 Says:

"https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6:24"

This is irrelevant.



You really are stupid, as you try to persuade everyone that it ONLY applies to "God and money". When the reality is, you are just making it fit your narrative.

Can you serve God and Baal equally? Can you serve both which is opposed to one another, equally?

Anonymous Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 1:07 PM  

"A man will pour resources into one or the other. He will attempt to change his adopted digs to suit his tastes, tastes acquired from his "other love" and which by DEFINITION conflict with those of people who preceded him in his adopted land."

They can easily pour resources into both. There's nothing that prevents them from doing so.

An no, he will not necessarily attempt to change an adopted dig. There is no reason he must.

Even if a person does vote to make changes to one or another of his states, this does not matter to the question of whether or not he can love both lands or be a citizen of both lands.

While it is your land, it's is not your land alone. It is the land of all citizens. No one person's view of how the land ought to function is supreme.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 02, 2017 1:08 PM  

Samuel Gott wrote:Furthermore there isn't any good reason why one can't belong to two nations.
Time to make aliyah.
Do it now, you have to go back.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 02, 2017 1:10 PM  

Samuel Gott wrote:An no, he will not necessarily attempt to change an adopted dig. There is no reason he must.


And yet, you do.
Stop trying to make my country more comfortable for your fellow tribalists.
Samuel Gott wrote:Even if a person does vote to make changes to one or another of his states, this does not matter to the question of whether or not he can love both lands or be a citizen of both lands.
Citizenship is not the question. Citizenship is paperwork. You can literally buy citizenship in many countries, including Canada. You'll never be an American, Schmuel. Next year, Jerusalem.

Blogger Elder Son July 02, 2017 1:14 PM  

They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an un- bounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In pro- portion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its directions, and render it a heterogeneous, in- coherent, distracted mass. - T. Jefferson

Here we are Gott.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 02, 2017 1:24 PM  

67. Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 1:15 PM
Not jewish.



not the first thing you've lied about in this thread, slimeball.

Blogger VD July 02, 2017 1:27 PM  

The person who defines themselves primarily as White or Black or American are too simple a thinker to spend much time thinking about. Plus, they are too few in number to matter.

That includes literally all 37 million Blacks resident in America. So racist!

Blogger VD July 02, 2017 1:28 PM  

You're also banned and spammed for lying, Samuel Gott.

Don't come back.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 02, 2017 1:33 PM  

Samuel Gott wrote:The man born in Paris who is comes to America with his parents as a young child and becomes a citizen and who embraces the basic principles governing the country and who loves the country is as much an American as the 9th generation black American or 9th generation white American. There is no way around this.
Strangely, I know a man who fit this description exactly. One of my closest friends. He couldn't remember any of the French language. He adopted evangelical Protestantism. He served as a bubblehead in the US Navy. He died last year on his Harley. He loved this country. And yet, underneath the accidents of Americanism, he was French. In his attitudes to authority, in his determination, in his willingness to half-ass his work, in his reflexive socialism, in everything that makes up the character of a nation, he was French. He would have been happier in France, but that wasn't an option for him.
The point is that citizenship is not what it means to be part of a nation. Citizenship is being under the jurisdiction of a state.
You're not an American. you have to go back.

Anonymous Tiny July 02, 2017 1:34 PM  

"That includes literally all 37 million Blacks resident in America. So racist!"

No blacks and no whites primarily identify as black or white. They identify as many things: spouse, son, employee, American, Christian, etc.

Anonymous Sharrukin July 02, 2017 1:42 PM  

71. Tiny

No blacks and no whites primarily identify as black or white. They identify as many things: spouse, son, employee, American, Christian, etc.

Do you have a point?

No one primarily identify as anything to the exclusion of the rest. That does not mean that it has no meaning or impact in their life.

It seems to be as true as it is irrelevant.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 02, 2017 1:43 PM  

71. Tiny July 02, 2017 1:34 PM
No blacks and no whites primarily identify as black or white.



Barack Obama.

Colin Kaepernick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByeYcP1lwWY

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 02, 2017 1:44 PM  

Sharrukin wrote:Do you have a point?
Yes, he's lying.
Tiny, for example, primarily identifies as "twink".

Anonymous Gingas July 02, 2017 1:47 PM  

"Our family has been here for centuries and yet they treat us as if we just swam across the Rio Grande. We have to know about John Wayne and Pedro Infante. We have to know about Frank Sinatra and Augustine Lara. We have to know about Oprah and Christina.
Anglo Food is too bland and yet when we go to Mexico we get the runs. Now that to me is embarrassing.
Japanese Americans, Italian Americans, German Americans, their homeland is on the other side of the ocean. Ours is right next door. And we have to prove to the Mexicans how Mexican we are and we have to prove to the Americans how American we are. We have to be more Mexican than the Mexicans and more American than the Americans. Both at the same time. Its exhausting. Nobody knows how tough it is to be Mexican American."
- Abraham Quintanilla Jr. in the 1997 film "Selena".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw5bA8cVF-E

They're Fake Americans. They have to go back.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Communists murdered +100 Million trying to genocide the Bourgeois. suffering a Marxist to live is a Crime Against Humanity ) July 02, 2017 1:54 PM  

Anglo Food is too bland and yet when we go to Mexico we get the runs.


Mexican Americans too stupid to figure out that they get the runs in Mexico because the Mexican government can't get their water properly sterilized. it doesn't have anything to do with how spicy or bland the food is.

and he's supposed to be intelligent enough to be a valuable contributor to American society?

Anonymous Sharrukin July 02, 2017 2:00 PM  

74. Tiny

Vox's contention that all blacks identify primarily as black. They don't.

Yes they do.

As I said that doesn't preclude other identifiers as well, but when push comes to shove they side with their own race over that of whites.

Which is why they vote for the Democrats who founded the KKK and fought Emancipation and integration.

It's tribal identification and the Democratic party is the vehicle to express that.

This is why blacks and Hispanics who despise the social justice crusading of the white Democratic leadership still support them.

The "naturally conservative" ethnic minorities will never support the party that the whites do because their interests are paramount and come at the expense of the white community.

They see this clearly even if whites do not.

It isn't about politics or ideology.

Anonymous Sharrukin July 02, 2017 2:04 PM  

75. Snidely Whiplash

Yes, he's lying.

Yup. They are trying to convince themselves as much as anyone else. Self deception requires constant maintenance.

Anonymous Korbin Ransley July 02, 2017 2:11 PM  

@71. Tiny

I don't know what to make of this comment.

BLM, the O.J. verdict, Black Nationalism, Pan Africanism, Historically Black Colleges, Voting patterns, BET...

The word priorities comes to mind. Spiritual matters before all else. Family before Strangers. Nation over ball club.

I don't mean to offend but it sometimes seems like leftist/progressive arguments aren't being made in good faith. It really feels like we are being tricked into terrible circumstances at times.

If Race, Nation, Religion, and Gender don't matter than why not have the same respect, and understanding for Straight, White, Christian, Males as everyone else around the world?

Commies and their policies seem to be pushing the west towards radical reaction.

Anonymous Sharrukin July 02, 2017 2:37 PM  

81. Tiny

Somethings about the parties have changed over the past 150 years.

Has it?

1964 was a 150 years ago?

Is that part of the 'new math'?

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days, and that’s a problem for us, since they’ve got something now they never had before: the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this — we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.” - Lyndon Johnson


"I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for 200 years." - Lyndon Johnson

The white Democratic elites are using the blacks tribal identity as a means to power and the blacks are using the Democratic party for the same purpose.

Anonymous andon July 02, 2017 2:41 PM  

Mexican Americans too stupid to figure out that they get the runs in Mexico because the Mexican government can't get their water properly sterilized. it doesn't have anything to do with how spicy or bland the food is.

maybe the restaurants in mejico perform the mooslim ass-crack wipe as well

Blogger Elder Son July 02, 2017 3:10 PM  

Bleaching doesn't count.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents July 02, 2017 3:14 PM  

Tiny....duck?

Anonymous andon July 02, 2017 4:10 PM  

i loved it when Jesse Jackson called them mexans

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club July 02, 2017 4:30 PM  

Ours is right next door.

Hey Chuy, it's not a matter of distance, it's a matter of mentality, ergo:

"And we have to prove to the Mexicans how Mexican we are and we have to prove to the Americans how American we are. We have to be more Mexican than the Mexicans and more American than the Americans."

That is why you fail (certainly to be American, and who cares if you manage to be a convincing Mexican?).

Blogger Mordakei Silberreich July 02, 2017 7:33 PM  

I'm sick of Mexicans(no offence VoxDay) and blacks and their attitude problems.

Blogger liberranter July 02, 2017 7:58 PM  

@58

Si, y lo que sorpende más es que un montón de los mexicanos que viven aqui en los EE.UU. admiten, en conversaciones privadas, que Mexico es un montón de mierde, la mayoria de la gente que huyen de Mexico para los EE.UU. son cabrones y criminales, y que el gobierno y la sociedad allí son irremediablemente corruptos. Saben también que es illógico querer transformar los EE.UU en otro Mexico, como quieren La Raza y otras organizaciones criminales.

PERO ... nunca lo admiten publicamente, algo que dice mucho.

Blogger Kristophr July 02, 2017 10:18 PM  

liberranter wrote:@58

Si, y lo que sorpende más es que un montón de los mexicanos que viven aqui en los EE.UU. admiten, en conversaciones privadas, que Mexico es un montón de mierde, la mayoria de la gente que huyen de Mexico para los EE.UU. son cabrones y criminales, y que el gobierno y la sociedad allí son irremediablemente corruptos. Saben también que es illógico querer transformar los EE.UU en otro Mexico, como quieren La Raza y otras organizaciones criminales.

PERO ... nunca lo admiten publicamente, algo que dice mucho.


They are just like Californians moving to a conservative state. They left a crime-ridden socialist craphole to find a nice place to live, with work available, and free-market costs and wages ... yet they elect the same idiots who made their former home a hellhole.

Mexican invaders can't help themselves. They vote for whoever promises them goodies and privileges, but can't make the emotional connection between that kind of politician and crap-hole they fled.

Blogger Kristophr July 02, 2017 10:23 PM  

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Blogger Kristophr July 02, 2017 10:24 PM  

They also don't understand that taking advantage of petty corruption ( say, bribing a traffic cop to not write a speeding ticket ), results in having to pay officials for permission to live.

It all starts with thinking petty bribery is OK. Cultural attitudes are responsible for wide spread corruption. Always.

Blogger Gospace July 02, 2017 10:52 PM  

Tiny July 02, 2017 1:34 PM
"That includes literally all 37 million Blacks resident in America. So racist!"

No blacks and no whites primarily identify as black or white. They identify as many things: spouse, son, employee, American, Christian, etc.


WOW! Is that completely wrong. If people are randomly asked to list the 10 things they are, blacks routinely have "black" as #1 or #2 on the list. That's really well known in sociology. Whites almost never have "white" or "Caucasian" on the list. If the the survey is done in America, they almost always have "American" on the list. Asians, depending on their generation, will have the nation/area their ancestors came from. Or American, if they've been thoroughly Americanized. If you push a "White" to give an ethnicity, they once again, will rarely choose "White". I'll resort to "British" since I'm mostly a mix from the British Isles. With none predominant. But in Britain, Brits don't identify as Brits. They're Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English, and Cornish or one of the other minor areas.

Blogger Tuatha July 02, 2017 11:28 PM  

Being both a radical anti-modern traditionalist and born from 17th century colonial roots, I cannot imagine what I would be labeled here.

Blogger liberranter July 02, 2017 11:58 PM  

@ Kristophr, #88 & 90

Yup. It also seems that more and more white native-born Americans are adopting the same attitude: corruption only upsets them when THEY'RE not getting their share of the resulting goodies/loot.

One wonders if this is an infection picked up from the invaders, or if it was here all along and was just awaiting a vector, the perfect one being provided by the flood of refuse from El Sur.

Blogger flyingtiger July 03, 2017 12:57 AM  

According to Article 4 of the Mexican constitution, they cannot become American citizens. The United States must respect their rights and not naturalize them.

Blogger Foehammer July 03, 2017 6:30 AM  

12 million? Please. Many estimates place illegals in the USA upwards of more than 4x that number. I personally believe the actual figure to be hovering around 50 million.

Blogger liberranter July 03, 2017 1:17 PM  

According to Article 4 of the Mexican constitution, they cannot become American citizens. The United States must respect their rights and not naturalize them.

So ... the Mexican constitution contains a clause that confers a fiat upon another sovereign nation over which Mexico has no control? Ballsy, that ... and idiotic. That HAS to be a first and an only. Not even the mightiest of tyrannical powers has ever gone that far or written something that buffoonish into their national constitution. The Mexican constitution was clearly written by tequila-besotted retards.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey July 03, 2017 1:36 PM  

"A man cannot serve two masters. Nor can a man belong to two nations."

This country used to understand that principle, until a certain 1967 Supreme Court decision.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Afroyim_v._Rusk

Afroyim was, of course, a rootless cosmopolitan. Every. Single. Time.

@31 AnD
"A man cannot serve two masters. Nor can a man belong to two nations.

Could that be the reason for our endless wars in the mideast? How many members of congress hold dual citizenship? Seems to be working out just fine"

The authors of "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" (a position paper prepared for Netanyahu in the 90s) were dual citizens. It can be instructive to compare the list of authors of that paper to the names of the officials in the George W. Bush administration who pushed the hardest for the Iraq invasion.

@75 Snidely Whiplash

"Yup. They are trying to convince themselves as much as anyone else. Self deception requires constant maintenance"

Good point.

Anonymous Anonymous July 03, 2017 5:45 PM  

#17, Bravo Sierra. The age of consent in Mexico is 18, period. The difference is, who files charges. In the US, statutory is up to the cops and DA. In Mexico, after age 12, only the girl or her parents can file charges. If the parents think she was willing, which happens a lot, they can choose not to put him in prison. Ditto if she is pregnant and he agrees to make her his wife. This is superior to the US system of putting him on the registered sex offender list the rest of his life, and her folks or the taxpayers end up supporting her and all of her other babies by other men. It was some stupid twit with the NYT who said age of consent was 12. Not true. It is just a different system.

#26 Americans can own land in Mexico. Just not on the ocean or border.

Anonymous age 75

Anonymous Luke July 03, 2017 10:29 PM  

The U.S. Mexican border does not need to be "sealed".
Rather, it needs a unidirectional filter. That is, if your ancestry or primary language is diverse, you can only cross it headed out of the U.S. (I wouldn't mind libtard white citizens having the same restriction, but strongly suspect that would come at too high a cost due to the various cans of worms that would open up elsewhere in our politics.)

Anonymous Luke July 03, 2017 10:39 PM  

38. Samuel Gott July 02, 2017 11:25 AM
"A man cannot serve two masters. Nor can a man belong to two nations."

"The "Masters" analogy is incorrect. One is not a slave to a nation. The better analogy is "two loves", which of course once can have. Furthermore there isn't any good reason why one can't belong to two nations.

Sure there is. Giving loyalty to (also known as "being a citizen of") a country means in part that in time of war, you have already made the decision that you can be counted on. (Having citizenship legal status and not giving such loyalty is traditionally known as the status of "treason", with severe penalties.)

Imagine the two countries being at war with each other, and both try to conscript you; how could you reconcile dual citizenship? Heck, even just one country being in a war with a third nation, while the the second is neutral, with laws forbidding its citizens being involved in that war at the cost of citizenship? No; dual citizenship is a nullity, a positive zero. A woman can't legitimately have two husbands at the same time, either, and rightly so.

Anonymous Luke July 03, 2017 10:49 PM  

8. Kristophr July 02, 2017 10:18 PM
liberranter wrote:
@58
"They are just like Californians moving to a conservative state. They left a crime-ridden socialist craphole to find a nice place to live, with work available, and free-market costs and wages ... yet they elect the same idiots who made their former home a hellhole.

Mexican invaders can't help themselves. They vote for whoever promises them goodies and privileges, but can't make the emotional connection between that kind of politician and crap-hole they fled."


I think you are mistaken at least in part. I believe that the Mexican invaders here understand full well what they are doing. That is, they are parasitizing Gringo territory and Gringo people, whom they hate and (sadly decreasingly) fear. Think of Third World farmers who practice slash-and-burn agriculture, where they grow crops on a piece of land for 2 or 3 years at most, then move on to new land, abandoning the previous land without a further thought about it. Telling such slash-and-burn nomadic farmers that their practices aren't "sustainable" would have no more meaning to them than your criticism of Hispanic invaders' electoral practices would resonate with the latter. (Think of how they litter; it's like a dog crapping in the park, but not in their dog bed, as they understand the difference full well.)

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