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Wednesday, July 12, 2017

This is called "missing the point"

The irony, it burns.
It’s sobering to consider the degree to which we have lost our knowledge of and connection to our American heritage. As a result, William B. Allen notes that we have been transitioning increasingly from a society of “independent yeomen” to a society of “wards of the state.” The challenge before us is to determine whether we can rediscover our heritage, and relearn the requirements for becoming good and free citizens while also reclaiming the sovereignty we have ceded to the state.

The first step toward recovery, after our recent celebration of the 241st anniversary of our Declaration of Independence, is to remind ourselves of its unique proposition that because we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, equality and our common commitment to the political implications of that equality—not race and blood—are the founding principles of our nation.
We've lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork. It shouldn't be surprising that Germans, Irish, Italians, Jews, Mexicans, and Chinese never had any interest or ability to transform themselves into the independent yeomen who historically existed only in England prior to the establishment of the United States by predominantly English settlers.

You cannot rediscover a heritage that isn't yours. You can't become "American" by a sheer effort of will any more than you can become "Japanese" or "Jewish" that way, no matter how much you like football, sushi, or matzo ball soup. All you can do is decide what your society is to become and then do your best to make it that way. There is no going back in time, so the only possible direction is forward.

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Blogger red clock July 12, 2017 1:12 PM  

He first complains about people becoming 'wards of the state' and then says we should all commit to 'equality'.

How, dear, will people be equal without massive state intervention and wealth redistribution (i.e. welfare i.e. becoming wards of the state)?

Doublethink is strong here. A free society will have inequalities. A free multi-racial, multi-religious democracy will have MASSIVE inequality and constant conflict. Thus the state grows and grows to counteract this. Without common bonds of of blood and race holding people together, the state has to step in.

The cuckservatives are very dim and the Left is evil.

Blogger ZhukovG July 12, 2017 1:13 PM  

Sadly, the citizens of the USA, like most folks throughout history, will try to avoid the inevitable for as long as possible. We will kick the can down the road until we shatter our foot on it.

When change is forced upon us, then we will change. I suspect the judgements that God poured out on Old Testament Israel, will appear almost pleasant by comparison.

Anonymous Iacobus July 12, 2017 1:14 PM  

"But that's not who we are!11!eleventey!" -Every Cuck Thus Far

Lord, the self-righteous drivel coming from these cucks, it's like listening to SJWs.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd July 12, 2017 1:15 PM  

red clock wrote:The cuckservatives are very dim and the Left is evil.

Most people are idiots. Most people are conservative. The two seem to go together.

Anonymous andon July 12, 2017 1:17 PM  

if you're gonna be forced to pay for a bunch of black and brown parasites, whats the point?

Anonymous Gen. Kong July 12, 2017 1:17 PM  

Ghost-dancin' with the 'tards.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. July 12, 2017 1:27 PM  

I can't read conservative anything without it literally making me feel physically weak. It's as if my body wants to self-induce a coma to recover from the trauma.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 12, 2017 1:37 PM  

I'm gonna take a shot at this. Wish me luck!

I think I am understanding this. The term "posterity" literally means Englishmen. This is straight forward. The point of forming American polity was to create a nation for Englishmen and their descendants, all of which shared common values and beliefs. Second wave immigration introduced Eastern and Central Europeans who brought with them economically collectivist concepts that either created Progressivism or influenced that movement in profound ways. Or did those ideas influence the later incarnation of the "Second Great Awakening"? At any rate, this second wave produced the likes of Emmanuel Celler and Emma Goldman, among others. Was DuBois, the father of Civil Rights dogma, influenced by this? He was, after all, part of that Progressivist context. The progeny of second wave immigration established the momentum which led to LBJ's immigration act. All these things, comprehensively, set in motion a dynamic that completely undermined the vision of the founders of American polity. These things make it completely reasonable to entertain the idea of the inevitability of the dissolution of American polity.

I'm still piecing this together. Feel free to make any corrections and offer any suggestions.

Anonymous johnc July 12, 2017 1:38 PM  

I looked up the author and sure enough it's someone who grew up in a completely different time and that almost certainly warps his worldview. It's not that he's too stupid to understand, just that the environment he grew up with was so radically different than the circumstances we have today. And unless you're willing to jump out of your conditioned bubble, you won't see reality for what it is.

ramzpaul explains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoKc96QAXo

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 12, 2017 1:41 PM  

Leaving aside the argument about who is and who is not a Real American, it certainly doesn't help that many young people have very limited education in U.S. History...and what they DO get is Leftist pap and propaganda.

Example: What do the kids learn about World War II? Internment of Japanese-Americans, U.S. nukes Japan, and Hitler kills homosexuals in the Holocaust. That's pretty much it. No mention of Pearl Harbor, Midway, D-Day, the incredible industrial effort...only what suits the Left.

It's not healthy. The only bright spot is that the kids aren't so stupid that they don't know they've been fed pap. And thirst for real history.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 1:46 PM  

Iacobus wrote:"But that's not who we are!11!eleventey!" -Every Cuck Thus Far
Maybe they're not. That's not who I once was either. That's who I've become.
Because reality is.

Anonymous Roundtine July 12, 2017 1:52 PM  

Civic nationalists do not act in accordance with their beliefs. If they believe what they say, they would support mass deportation of people who don't share their values. Imagine a Venn diagram of "Who needs to be physically removed." The Civic Nationalist would cover 90% of minorities and at least 20% of whites. The white nationalist would cover 100% of minorities and 2% of whites (Jews). A lot of overlap.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 12, 2017 1:55 PM  

@10 The libertarian idealist in me holds that a federal income tax deduction equal to the cost of private school tuition, available to all people regardless of income can put a huge dent in what you've described.

Anonymous Starbuck July 12, 2017 1:55 PM  

Wow... What on earth does this country become? A land of feudal states with warlords? Or a country that fought horrible civil/race wars with one race winning? Then what?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 12, 2017 1:59 PM  

@8 Al: If you dig into it, there have been six distinct waves of immigration - and some of those had sub-waves. There's a definite 60-year cycle, also, with 30 years of immigration followed by 30 years of low immigration. My research indicates the following breakdown:

Wave 1: 1630-1660. English. Really two distinct waves, one of religious refugees in the 1630s and 40s, the other of political refugees (losers in the English Civil War and Restoration).

Wave 2: 1690-1720. Scots-Irish. Realized that America was better than Ulster.

Wave 3: 1750-1790. Lengthened due to multiple wars intervening. Mix of English, German, and Scots. As Vox will tell you, the advent of Germans into Pennsylvania was a bit controversial at the time.

Wave 4: 1830-1865. Two distinct sub-waves, with Germans from 1830-1845ish, Irish after that. The Germans settled into the Midwest. The Irish tended to settle in cities on the Eastern Seaboard, displacing the descendants of Wave 1 and Wave 2 (who moved West). This is important...Waves 1-4a all went to the frontier to settle. Wave 4b and onward did NOT.

Wave 5: 1890-1925. Mix of Poles, Italians, more Irish, and Russian Jews. Mainly through Ellis Island. Significantly more likely to settle in large ethnic clusters than previous immigrants.

Wave 6: 1955-present. Mexicans, with other Central Americans added in. Immigration period greatly extended for political reasons. Also prone to settling in ethnic groups, aided by laws and policies that supported "diversity" instead of assimilation.

Major trends:
1. Early immigrants went to the frontier to settle. Later ones displaced the descendants of prior immigrants.

2. Significantly higher likelihood of ethnic "clumping" of settlement in later waves. Some of this is inevitable, but I think the degree went up considerably.

Blogger #7139 July 12, 2017 2:03 PM  

“independent yeomen” ... Someone needs to tell this poor soul that independent yeomen are farmers who milked their own cows, grew their own food, and so on, so for and etc. How we would get back to that, I do not know.

Anonymous Grayman July 12, 2017 2:05 PM  

@14 STarbuck

Or a country that fought horrible civil/race wars with one race winning?

Do you even "History"? The "civil war" was not about race and you clearly have little concept of historical race relations short of the state propoganda line.

start here: https://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2017/07/segregation-our-most-cherished-myths.html

And yes, the US is likely to become a collection of neo-fuedal states for a short period before they coalese into a handful of nations. But your talk 50+ years for those events to fully resolve.
The more interesting question is who gets the nukes and nuke plants and how they get them.

Blogger Elizabeth July 12, 2017 2:09 PM  

I've been warning people for years that liberty and security are incompatible: that the more the Government does for you, the more the Government will tell you what to do and what not to do. In other words, you want to be taken care of as if you were ten-years-old, you'll be treated as if you were ten-years-old and someone will make your decisions for you.

As recently as the Reagan administration, conservatives who wrote for magazines such as The National Review realized this and favored a minimal welfare state. On the other hand, the liberals were spoiled children who wanted to do as they pleased, expected to be subsidized while doing it and, when things went wrong, demanded to be saved from the consequences of their own bad behavior. That's mentality of so many so-called "conservatives" today. Modern-day "conservatism" is simply the liberalism of a generation ago.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 12, 2017 2:09 PM  

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Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 12, 2017 2:10 PM  

@15 Thanx! That was helpful. It sucks when you think a discussion on a facet of American history could also substitute as a postmortem.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 2:14 PM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:Second wave immigration introduced Eastern and Central Europeans who brought with them economically collectivist concepts that either created Progressivism
There are 5 great waves of Immigration in American history.
The first was Germans. Before and during the Revolution, it was Germans fleeing the various wars between the principalities of Central Europe and various hard-line Anabaptist sects (Amish, etc). These Germans were largely conservative peasants and soldiers. Later German immigrants, in the 19th century, were fleeing the consolidation of Germany by the Prussians, and were largely ideological opponents of the Prussian Monarchy. These tended to Collectivism, Communism and Progressivism. And yes, Communism was a thing before Marx.

The next wave was the Irish, fleeing the famine engineered by the English. They were largely conservative Catholic peasants. They invented organized crime in America and developed municipal graft into an art form. The Irish had 3 modes in America, rural farmers and farm workers, urban underclass and city employees. The Irish beat cop is not a stereotype. Once in place, the Irish made sure their friends and relations got hired by the city. After about 40 years, due largely to above-median IQ and the efforts of the Catholic Church, the Irish were mostly dragged out of the gutters and joined the American middle-class.

Next came the Jews. This was mostly driven by promises of a better life in American, accompanied by pogroms in many Slavic countries. The Jews more-or-less avoided the organized crime route (despite Bugsy Seigel) and instead became an urban merchant class. The Vaudeville performance circuit was largely developed to provide Jewish entertainment for Jewish crowds in cities around the country. The Jewish dominance in Vaudeville translated into dominance in the fledgling movie business.
Then came the Italians, at first fleeing the war of unification being waged by Umberto in Italy. By this time, steamer crossings of the Atlantic had made international travel fast, safe and relatively cheap. Consisting mostly southern Italians and Sicilians, they brought their traditional bandit gang lifestyle to make the organized crime of America more vibrant and authentic.
After living with the Italian influx and wondering what worse plague awaited immigration, Americans wisely decided to close Ellis Island and stop letting foreigners in.
Now we are faced with the Mexican influx, which I'm sure I don't need to describe.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 2:15 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Before and during the Revolution, it was Germans fleeing the various wars between the principalities of Central Europe and various hard-line Anabaptist sects (Amish, etc).
Well, that was unfortunate. Proofreading is a desirable skill. Perhaps it should be :
Before and during the Revolution, it was various hard-line Anabaptist sects (Amish, etc) and Germans fleeing the various wars between the principalities of Central Europe.

Blogger Elizabeth July 12, 2017 2:17 PM  

@15 - Napoleon 12pdr

One difference between Roman Catholic was Protestant immigrants was that the Protestants readily intermarried with one another, while Catholics maintained their separate identities for much longer. My now deceased WWII vet father told me that when he was a kid growing up in Jersey City and Elizabeth, NJ, it was unacceptable for, say, an Irish Catholic boy to date an Italian Catholic girl. He himself was a product of a marriage between a Presbyterian father and Catholic mother. Common today, but the families weren't happy about it.

This broke down after WWII and the exodus into the suburbs. Gov. Christie is half Italian and half Irish.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 2:21 PM  

Starbuck wrote:What on earth does this country become? A land of feudal states with warlords?
That's the goal, yes

Grayman wrote:Do you even "History"? The "civil war" was not about race and you clearly have little concept of historical race relations short of the state propoganda line.
Do you reading comprehension, bro?
He's talking about a future America, surviving a future race war.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 2:24 PM  

Elizabeth wrote:This broke down after WWII and the exodus into the suburbs. Gov. Christie is half Italian and half Irish.
I grew up in a parish that was half Italian and half Irish. What happened is that the cultural identity moved from Ethnicity to Ethnicity-Catholic to Catholic. But pity the one poor German Catholic family.

Blogger Student in Blue July 12, 2017 2:25 PM  

You can't become "American" by a sheer effort of will any more than you can become "Japanese" or "Jewish" that way
I'm turning Japanese.
...I think I'm turning Japanese.

I really think so.

Anonymous Grayman July 12, 2017 2:26 PM  

@18 ELizabeth

As recently as the Reagan administration, conservatives who wrote for magazines such as The National Review realized this and favored a minimal welfare state.

That doesnt work when you as mass importing the dusky hordes. If you dont care for those vibrant masses that have been imported they get very destructive very quickly. The substantial expansion of welfare was a necessity to keep the minority underclasses relativly stable. Of course it was all funded with massive debt expansion...
At the end of the day, the "conservative" politicians knwo this and simply pay lip service to "muh fiscal constraint". Its the same thing with affirmative action, it wasnt an option for the politicians to not do it, otherwise the dusky hordes get restless being an open & obvious underclass. With afirmative action and its derivatives they can still pretend....

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 12, 2017 2:30 PM  

@21 Thanx for the additions! This is helpful!

Anonymous Grayman July 12, 2017 2:30 PM  

@24 Snidely

Do you reading comprehension, bro?

Apparently, no I dont :(

Anonymous Bobby Farr July 12, 2017 2:33 PM  

I am increasingly uninterested in, and skeptical of, proposed solutions to America's ills that don't involve people such as this Hawthorne going to a concentration camp.

Blogger Anton Chigurh July 12, 2017 2:49 PM  

So f*ckin stupid to lump any European-Americans into the group of non-assimilables to "yeomanry". In this day and age, to single out certain European-Americans like that, amounts to a sort of treason. Makes me wonder about Vox, who I understand was a smart fellow and basically right-wing.

And a Catholic. Lumping in Irish and Italians, who pretty much built Catholic America? Lumping in Germans, who probably built this country more than any other group except the Scots-Irish? Vox is retarded.

Anonymous BBGKB July 12, 2017 2:49 PM  

But that's not who we are!11!eleventey!" -Every Cuck Thus Far

It's not enough that shitlings from shitistan do better in the US than in their homeland we needs equalism. Note if you are going to claim Hispanics in Spain do better on international testing than Hispanics in the US, it's not the same.

Being on welfare is better than being a king in Africa. We give free air conditioners to welfare recipients but my grandmother doesn't want one in her home.

http://www.newser.com/story/165405/why-an-african-king-lives-on-public-assistance-in-virginia.html

Blogger Cail Corishev July 12, 2017 2:52 PM  

"The first step toward recovery, after our recent celebration of the 241st anniversary of our Declaration of Independence, is to remind ourselves of its unique proposition..."

Would anyone like to argue some more about whether civic nationalists believe in proposition nationhood? The only difference between this and Magic Dirt, as I said before, is that he doesn't think it's literally transmitted from the soil through the soles of the feet; but he thinks it can be learned -- and by those who are here now, not over some unspecified number of generations.

He makes that explicit here: "what matters most [...] is focusing on the important task of forming individuals who possess the character required to live the virtues that make free government possible."

By "forming individuals" could he possibly mean anything to do with genetic heritage? Nope:

"...the Founding draws on our instinctive knowledge of right and wrong that is connected to the laws of nature summarized in Micah 6:8, which Washington referenced in 1783: 'He has shown you, O man, what is good'"

So it's instinctive in all men, no suggestion at all that it might vary from tribe to tribe. Get them in a classroom, whoever they are, teach them English and the Declaration, and it's all good.

Blogger Lovekraft July 12, 2017 2:57 PM  

OT but related to recent posts about Christianity's modern flaccidity (and yes, badsource) but what does the Pope requesting 'laying down one's life to serve others as a path to sainthood' mean to you, VD?

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/07/12/pope-francis-adds-fourth-path-to-official-sainthood/

Anonymous Roundtine July 12, 2017 2:58 PM  

What on earth does this country become? A land of feudal states with warlords? Or a country that fought horrible civil/race wars with one race winning? Then what?

The worst case scenario is nothing happens and America dies of apathy.

Anonymous Roundtine July 12, 2017 2:59 PM  

What does laying down one's life to serve others as a path to sainthood' mean to you

#DeusVult

Blogger dc.sunsets July 12, 2017 3:00 PM  

Cue the "but my Italian grandparents were Americans 100 years ago!" howls.

I guess Big Tent Political Thinking will only die out when its adherents' heads are on pikes (or their women are wearing burkas and blond girls are the exclusive luxury of black athletes.)

What was it Marx said about clubs? That he wouldn't belong to any that would have him as a member?

GOP, anyone?

Blogger dc.sunsets July 12, 2017 3:03 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:
He makes that explicit here: "what matters most [...] is focusing on the important task of forming individuals who possess the character required to live the virtues that make free government possible."

By "forming individuals" could he possibly mean anything to do with genetic heritage? Nope:



Here I thought "making New Man" was a Marxist goal.

The Cucks and the Left are one.

Blogger Peter Jackson July 12, 2017 3:03 PM  

America's transition to a society of wards of the state has less to do with immigration, and more to do with Democrats' purchasing of votes with other people's money.

FDR and LBJ led the way to the socialism we see now. They were as American as anyone you could name.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 12, 2017 3:07 PM  

What on earth does this country become? A land of feudal states with warlords?

You say "warlords," I say "leaders with solid ties to the people and the land of their nations, regardless of what specific form their governments and laws take."

That quibble aside: yes, if we could reach that point without major bloodshed, I'd call that fortunate. The end of an empire could be much worse.

Blogger pyrrhus July 12, 2017 3:09 PM  

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. That's the sad story of the Boomers and WW2 generation....most simply cannot acknowledge that their whole belief system surrounding civic nationalism is simply wrong.

Blogger Elder Son July 12, 2017 3:12 PM  

@8 - The term "posterity" literally means Englishmen.

Because only "Englishmen" fought in behalf of the revolution for independence from England.

Blogger pyrrhus July 12, 2017 3:12 PM  

@40 The breakup of Empires is usually bloody...for the sake of all our kids and grandkids (our posterity!), I pray that God goes easy on us this time....

Anonymous CitizenOutkast July 12, 2017 3:13 PM  

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Anonymous Mr. Rational July 12, 2017 3:17 PM  

We've lost our knowledge of and connection to American heritage because many, if not most, US citizens are not Americans by any definition except paperwork.
That knowledge was stamped out, as @10 notes, by (((subversive anti-historians))) like the author of "A People's History of the United States".

I understand that's being used as a text, when bringing it through the doors of a public school should be a firing-level offense.

Roundtine wrote:Civic nationalists do not act in accordance with their beliefs. If they believe what they say, they would support mass deportation of people who don't share their values.
The Marxists just want mass murder.  Never mind that it failed in both Poland and the USSR, they just seem to like mass murder.

(did anyone else have a glitch with their comment just disappearing?)

Blogger Lovekraft July 12, 2017 3:17 PM  

Sort of analogous (from recent Diversity & Comics yt video):

Marvel imposing SJW replacements is like him (former Marine) wearing the uniform of his father (former Navy) and expecting people to salute him. Would be corny and lame.

Analogous to the 'insta-nationalityvia greencard' debate here. Perhaps there's something deep down that allows us to sense the fake.

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Just remembered that heartiste relayed studies showing people of all political opinions reflectively recoil seeing dudes kissing.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/gay-men-kissing-disgusts-straight-men-news-at-11/

Blogger VD July 12, 2017 3:24 PM  

America's transition to a society of wards of the state has less to do with immigration, and more to do with Democrats' purchasing of votes with other people's money.

It's cute that you don't realize those are the same thing.

Anonymous johnc July 12, 2017 3:26 PM  

@45 did anyone else have a glitch with their comment just disappearing?

It happens sometimes.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 12, 2017 3:28 PM  

Cail Corishev wrote:So it's instinctive in all men, no suggestion at all that it might vary from tribe to tribe. Get them in a classroom, whoever they are, teach them English and the Declaration, and it's all good.

Yep, pure blank slate-ism. And this from the right (nominally). Ugh.

Blogger Peter Jackson July 12, 2017 3:30 PM  

It's cute that you don't realize those are the same thing.

It's cute that you think only immigrant's votes can be purchased.

Blogger Duke Norfolk July 12, 2017 3:35 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:studies showing people of all political opinions reflectively recoil seeing dudes kissing.

Clearly more re-education and enlightenment efforts are needed. We're all sinners in the Progressive faith.

Anonymous Sertorius July 12, 2017 3:41 PM  

Napoleon @15

Your timeline is a little early on the Ulster Scots and late on the initial German wave. Scots-Irish "chain migration" really got rolling around 1720 due to crop failure in Ireland. (BTW, Jonathan Swift makes a good read for understanding the economic travails of that decade.) Successive famine conditions into the 1730's kept the stream going, but as late as the 1760's, the economic elite like, say, George Galphin in Georgia, were advertising in Irish broadsheets for more surly Calvinists to place between themselves and the increasingly surly Creek and Cherokee.

As for the Germans, the first big wave from the middle Rhine were made refugees by Louis XIV's loving war too much. A great gob of them were in England by the first decade of the 18th Century, but they were shooed off to Ireland and the Colonies a bit more quickly than were the Huguenots a few years earlier. Franklin of course was of the opinion that "Germany wasn't sending its best" when it came to the Boors, but the career of, say, somebody like Conrad Weiser, who became an absolutely vital part of Indian diplomacy in the years leading up the French and Indian War, reflects that there was some "cultural capital" there.

Overall, though, when it comes to the "folk ways" of various immigrant groups and their effect of American politics, it's a bit simple minded to assert that it was these groups' existence alone that drove the country to the Left. After all, here in the Scots-Irish South, FDR, Johnson, and even Bubba well into the 1990's, were getting a plurality of white votes.

Anonymous CoolHand July 12, 2017 3:44 PM  

This is OT, but could someone with a Twitter account tweet this story to PDT and DTjr?

https://ricochet.com/441462/federal-overreach-amish-man-sentenced-6-years-prison-improper-fda-labeling/

Don't read the comments, they're entirely cucked and predictable, but one brave soul happened upon a good idea: Trump should pardon this Amish man. There is zero risk, and huge PR upside here, plus it lets him spend some time brow beating the federal bureaucracy for using the FDA to send a frickin' Amish guy to prison for six years for selling herbal skin balm.

I don't have twitter, or I'd do it myself.

This just needs to get in front of someone inside Trumps PR circle.

Blogger Kristophr July 12, 2017 3:58 PM  

Mr. Rational wrote:

The Marxists just want mass murder.  Never mind that it failed in both Poland and the USSR, they just seem to like mass murder.


All utopian idealist end up committing mass murder. You have to destroy the existing civilization to try to build a utopia.

Blogger Peter Jackson July 12, 2017 4:00 PM  

2. Significantly higher likelihood of ethnic "clumping" of settlement in later waves. Some of this is inevitable, but I think the degree went up considerably.

First waves were pre-industrial revolution, so they took up farming on the frontier. Later waves worked in factories, hence the "clumping" you describe.

Blogger Matthew July 12, 2017 4:04 PM  

Starbuck wrote:Wow... What on earth does this country become? A land of feudal states with warlords? Or a country that fought horrible civil/race wars with one race winning? Then what?

At the very least it becomes one where we hunt Boomers like you for sport.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 4:11 PM  

Sertorius wrote:it's a bit simple minded to assert that it was these groups' existence alone that drove the country to the Left. After all, here in the Scots-Irish South, FDR, Johnson, and even Bubba well into the 1990's, were getting a plurality of white votes.
It's also a bit simple-minded to think that voting is genetic, and that the "Overton window" of opinion was not shoved to the left by 150 years of immigrants and daughters of immigrants.

Blogger Cail Corishev July 12, 2017 4:18 PM  

Later waves worked in factories, hence the "clumping" you describe.

Still, largely by choice. The various Homestead Acts of the latter half of the 19th century and early 20th meant that the waves beginning with the Irish could have gone to the frontier. You didn't even have to be a citizen yet; filing an intention to become one was good enough. For the most part, they weren't especially interested, so those areas were settled primarily by the descendants of those earlier waves who settled the South and the Eastern and Midwest frontiers.

Because they were different types of people. Frontiersmen begat frontiersmen.

Blogger Billy Ray July 12, 2017 4:19 PM  

" conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

That America was founded as an IDEA not a race or home for whites but ALL MEN not just white men. but I guess that part of the famous address is lost on alt right racists like vox

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 4:20 PM  

Peter Jackson wrote:First waves were pre-industrial revolution, so they took up farming on the frontier. Later waves worked in factories, hence the "clumping" you describe.
Int he late 19th century, the Endicott-Johnson shoe company, the Nike of its day literally sent recruiters to Italy and the Balkans to hire people and ship them to the US.
Because there weren't enough people to man their factory, I guess.

Nike found it easier to leave them there and ship the factory over. And to hire Infosys to violate immigration law.

Blogger Elder Son July 12, 2017 4:25 PM  

@59 Get a load ALL MEN Billy Ray:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=mexican+flags+and+riots&FORM=HDRSC2

By the way, that "all men are created equal" isn't a proposition to make all America all the worlds language, religion, principles, manners, and customs dumping ground.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 4:27 PM  

Notorious Moron said:
That America was founded as an IDEA not a race or home for whites but ALL MEN not just white men. but I guess that part of the famous address is lost on alt right racists like vox
America was founded as a FEDERATION of NATIONS, not an IDEA. An IDEA is both stupid and meaningless as the foundation for a COUNTRY, similar to BILLY RAY. Are people who don't accept the IDEA no longer citizens?

Anonymous veryfunnyminion July 12, 2017 4:29 PM  

"OT but related to recent posts about Christianity's modern flaccidity (and yes, badsource) but what does the Pope requesting 'laying down one's life to serve others as a path to sainthood' mean to you, VD?"

I pick up line for the pedo pope and the lavender lobby: Come here kiddies, I'm gonna sanctify you.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion July 12, 2017 4:31 PM  

"A pick up line"

Frick

Anonymous Sertorius July 12, 2017 4:32 PM  

Snidely @57

If you're talking about the Scandi's and (late) German immigrants in the Upper Midwest, I'll concede the point. And no doubt, Ellis Island immigration enabled the push left, much as the attraction of having current tidal wave of Third Worlder's lies mostly in it creating a vote farm that enables the decadent costal elites.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr July 12, 2017 4:32 PM  

The earlier waves were partly pre-Industrial Revolution, but I also think the tendency of the descendants of earlier waves to Go West also plays into it.

It's also worth remembering that early factory workers enjoyed a life that was compared to being a slave...unfavorably. There were exceptions like Colt, but a lot more sweatshops that regarded the workforce as disposable assets.

Blogger VD July 12, 2017 4:33 PM  

That America was founded as an IDEA not a race or home for whites but ALL MEN not just white men. but I guess that part of the famous address is lost on alt right racists like vox.

Read the whole document, moron. It doesn't mean what you think it means. The British were "brethren". The "savage Red Indian tribes" were not. Neither were Americans.

Blogger Quilp July 12, 2017 4:34 PM  

@59 I don't think you'd get much argument that Lincoln's vision of The United States, was in many ways entirely different than that of it's founders. Yet you quote Abraham, almost 100 years later as a founder. I don't hold a candle to most of these people when it comes to historical knowledge, but you are so lacking you really should just remain silent, Billy.

Blogger Mr. Excitement July 12, 2017 4:38 PM  

Wow, he even invokes St. Martin Luther King, Jr.

This piece reads like a parody.

It's the same Cuckservative boilerplate I've been reading for over 20 years.

1. We need to "get back to muh Constitution!"

2. We need to be more moral!

3. Civic renewal through civic virtue!

Yet another clueless Baby Boomer that somewhat understands that America has run off the rails, but absolutely doesn't understand why.

Anonymous Grayman July 12, 2017 4:48 PM  

Re Lincoln

Lincoln didn't have any lost love for the blacks and certainly did not consider them as equals. He was simply using them as a political tool and fully intended to "deal with them" after the war. He was potentially planning to ship them all to Central America prior to his assassination. If he had done that, talk about an alternative history.

Blogger pnq8787 July 12, 2017 4:50 PM  

I think the white man's goose has been cooked for a while now. As long as the Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans maintain their racial and cultural identities I'll be happy. Let them rain nuclear fire on the rest.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 12, 2017 4:54 PM  

"I think the white man's goose has been cooked for a while now."

That's silly. The only thing stopping the white man, at least in the West, is himself. We need unity, and to help achieve it we need to expose the media to destroy what little credibility it has left.

MOAR MEMES!!

Anonymous Grayman July 12, 2017 4:55 PM  

@71

The collapse of the African population bubble will be epic and put huge pressures on east and west. This second wave of mass immigration driven by the social and population collapse may be the deciding event for portions of the west. Those that make it thought the first wave but are too weakened may fall to the second wave. At least the US has an ocean between us, Europe only has the Mediterranean. But that is probably still a decade away.

Anonymous pbb July 12, 2017 5:12 PM  

"if you're gonna be forced to pay for a bunch of black and brown parasites, whats the point?"

We were for years forced to pay for a bunch of KKK and racist parasites. Payback bitch.

No one is leaving either. No one who wants blacks or asians or Jews or others to leave matters.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 12, 2017 5:19 PM  

@74 Would it be too much trouble to ask that you reword your comment? The wording is awkward and this muddles the meaning. Just askin'.

Blogger Dave July 12, 2017 5:20 PM  

Milo live on WPHT1210 radio right now.

Blogger Ezekiel July 12, 2017 5:21 PM  

johnc wrote:I looked up the author and sure enough it's someone who grew up in a completely different time and that almost certainly warps his worldview. It's not that he's too stupid to understand, just that the environment he grew up with was so radically different than the circumstances we have today. And unless you're willing to jump out of your conditioned bubble, you won't see reality for what it is.

ramzpaul explains:

Something I've started telling Boomers when they offer dumb advice:

"What you're suggesting would have worked back in America. It'll just get you screwed here in the Former Soviet Union."

Seems to work.

Anonymous andon July 12, 2017 5:36 PM  

No one is leaving either. No one who wants blacks or asians or Jews or others to leave matters.

you're gonna find out who matters and who doesnt

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 5:41 PM  

pbb wrote:We were for years forced to pay for a bunch of KKK and racist parasites. Payback bitch.
Do words even have meaning for you? Are you like a very sophisticated parrot who is able to build new sentences from known words without any clue of the meaning?

No one is leaving either. No one who wants blacks or asians or Jews or others to leave matters.
Ha! you're so cute! And by cute I mean stupid.

Anonymous andon July 12, 2017 5:44 PM  

That America was founded as an IDEA

sounds like you bought the (((revisionism)))

America used to be referred to as a "nation of laws" until it became more convenient for (((someone))) to call it a "nation of immigrants"

Anonymous View July 12, 2017 5:44 PM  

I have prepared income taxes for the last few years. I didnt keep stats but i think the average income of my black clients was sognificantly higher than that of my white clients. I have a hunch that nationally they make more money on average than white people too so they are funding a lot of the socialism.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 12, 2017 5:53 PM  

@81 Perhaps comparing median household incomes would serve you well. Median Black households are about $30,000 less than that of whites.

Anonymous Pbb July 12, 2017 6:00 PM  

"That America was founded as an IDEA

sounds like you bought the (((revisionism)))"

Actually, America was founded with a set of ideas guiding its founders. America, over time, became associated with a set of ideas....largely a mix of enlightenment philosophy, the American experience and protestantism guided by the various "Great Awakenings".

What was unique about America is that these founding and evolved American ideas were easily accessible to those of many ethnicities and origins.

Blogger pnq8787 July 12, 2017 6:03 PM  

We white's have soft brains which is why the Jews can so easily take over an bamboozle us. The Jews have taken over the media, the entertainment, popular culture, and academia. They use the power of social pressure to bully. They attack our weakest members, the women and children and turn them against their own people. They teach our women and children to hate the history of their people. They highlight the bad parts of our history and ignore the good except where it suits their interests. They force us to judge ourselves by our own standards to which they themselves do not hold. The promote Diversity and the weakening of communities it brings. They weaken the family by undermining the soft patriarchy and thereby decrease white birthrates. Look at any picture of race protests of the 60's and see the Jew in the background.

To fix this problem you need to fix the Jewish Problem. Once that is accomplished the women and children must be reeducated. Then and only then is the world safe from (((globalism))).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 6:05 PM  

View wrote:I have a hunch that nationally they make more money on average than white people too so they are funding a lot of the socialism.
That's risible. Your "hunch" is gold-plated obvious nonsense.
Most Black people don't file income tax, either because they have incomes low enough not to have to, or they are engaged in criminal enterprises. Most Blacks with decent income work for government or large companies, where they are preferentially promoted and moved into management.

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 6:08 PM  

"To fix this problem you need to fix the Jewish Problem..."

Any realistic suggestions for doing this?

Anonymous View July 12, 2017 6:21 PM  

Re 5:53- care to site a source for that one. I dont believe that at all

Blogger pnq8787 July 12, 2017 6:22 PM  

@86 The US is the primary globalist weapon of the Jews. Unfortunately history shows that nationalist whites always seem to lose because they are alway fighting half of their own population in some way (e.g. Civil War, WW2). A direct strike upon the Jews or revolt against global US govt would result in a loss. The Jews would rub their hands with glee to see their brainwashed white minons killing their own. That's the way it usually ends up.

But their is hope.

Perhaps the US military will suffer a serious loss to a foreign power such as China or Russia. Perhaps some military adventure in the South China Sea could result in a massive decline in American military might and prestige. Any method of aiding the "enemy" in this case would actually server our nationalist cause. Of course, I expect most people reading this would be aghast at that suggestion.

Anonymous andon July 12, 2017 6:24 PM  

What was unique about America is that these founding and evolved American ideas were easily accessible to those of many ethnicities and origins.

yeah its pretty accessible when you can just sneak over the border

Anonymous Pbb July 12, 2017 6:26 PM  

"Re 5:53- care to site a source for that one. I dont believe that at all"

The $30K comment must be a reference to average individual income. Average Black Household income in about $45K.

Anonymous George Will's BowTie July 12, 2017 6:30 PM  

equality—not race and blood—are the founding principles

an Egalitarian Jewish Marxist. How cute.
At the very least, European White blood and genetics and history and culture are the founding stock -- Identity, Blood, Soil, Kin, Faith etc..

Blogger Al From Bay Shore July 12, 2017 6:34 PM  

@87 @90 Here you go.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/27/1-demographic-trends-and-economic-well-being/

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 12, 2017 6:37 PM  

"To fix this problem you need to fix the Jewish Problem..."

Any realistic suggestions for doing this?


Disconnecting the TV goes a long way. It's a vast wasteland of anti-white, anti-Western propaganda.

Anonymous SufferAge da Roots July 12, 2017 6:40 PM  

150 years of immigrants and daughters of immigrants

Oh Noes !!
Feminist Suffrage. Because One Household One Vote be so Racis... Mysoginist....Un-Christian

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 6:41 PM  

"Disconnecting the TV goes a long way. It's a vast wasteland of anti-white, anti-Western propaganda."

I watch Big Bang, Golf, Baseball, and the occasional movie. I don't think turning off the TV is an option for most people. Nor is it much of a plan.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener July 12, 2017 6:52 PM  

"I don't think turning off the TV is an option for most people. Nor is it much of a plan."

Of course it's an option. Particularly if you're subscribing to cable TV or satellite, you're funding people who are attacking you and your way of life.

Anonymous johnc July 12, 2017 7:28 PM  

@86 Any realistic suggestions for doing this?

For many European countries this is relatively easy to do since most have a history of having an official state church. They can simply dust off the books and get down to business.

The US was founded on all kinds of dumb ideas like those listed in the editorial... by a bunch of dumb English deists who didn't know how the world works. So we would pretty much have to scrap our Constitution and come up with something not stupid if we have any chance at all of surviving.

Imagine an architect saying, "Hey let's build a skyscraper... and use clay for the foundation." That's the equivalent level of dumbness held by these idiots who wrote the Constitution and DoI.

Anonymous View July 12, 2017 7:30 PM  

Re 6:05 i assume u r an older white guy. Why woul u write somwthung like that are u trying to peovoke a race war. Why not try to help the country. A race war would not help the country

Anonymous jOHN MOSBY July 12, 2017 7:37 PM  

98. View
I sure hope you are better at preparing income taxes than you are at spelling. Where do you do your tax preparing at, Harlem ?

Anonymous View July 12, 2017 7:39 PM  

I think whitey is poorer than most people think

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 7:48 PM  

View wrote:i assume u r an older white guy. Why woul u write somwthung like that
Because it's true
are u trying to peovoke a race war. Why not try to help the country. A race war would not help the country
I am trying to help the country, by getting idiots like you off the political jugular.


Anonymous View July 12, 2017 7:59 PM  

Thx ill take a look maybe this another area i am absolutely pig ignorant about

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 8:20 PM  

"So we would pretty much have to scrap our Constitution and come up with something not stupid..."

Nope....Not gonna happen.

Blogger The Pepe report July 12, 2017 8:24 PM  

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Anonymous View July 12, 2017 8:31 PM  

For what its worth (i cant prove it) i still think that Africans on average have higher incomes

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 8:35 PM  

Taylor wrote:Nope....Not gonna happen.
It has already happened. It's just that nobody bothered to tell the Conservatives.

Blogger Ransom Smith July 12, 2017 8:37 PM  

peovoke a race war

I for one would love to PEOVOKE a race war.

Blogger Ezekiel July 12, 2017 8:42 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:"I don't think turning off the TV is an option for most people. Nor is it much of a plan."

Of course it's an option. Particularly if you're subscribing to cable TV or satellite, you're funding people who are attacking you and your way of life.

My TV turned off for the last time not long after Hot In Cleveland went on the air. I can handle rampant race-mixing in my commercials, but seeing that godawful crap in between my Andy Griffith was just a step too far for me. And I hear the newer TVland Original Shitcoms are even worse.

(Incidentally, this is why I tend to hate X'ers even more than I hate Boomers. Boomers might be a bunch of myopic narcissists with bad ideas, but at least they're not a bunch of nilhistic boors.)

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 8:45 PM  

"It has already happened. It's just that nobody bothered to tell the Conservatives."

Hasn't happened, won't happen. I write off those who claim the constitution has been scrapped as nothing more than someone who doesn't like modern society. I know the feeling. But that's no reason to lie.

Blogger tz July 12, 2017 8:47 PM  

It is easier to for a man to "identify" as Jewish than a Woman and requires less invasive surgery. I'm not sure about Japanese. But these days where there are 57 genders...

If I think I'm 10 different people?

The 2020 census could be very interesting.

The red states can gain a huge electoral advantage just by saying lots of people live in your dwelling. And that they are native American (well, they identify as such).

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 8:47 PM  

"I can handle rampant race-mixing in my commercials, but seeing that godawful crap in between my Andy Griffith was just a step too far for me."

Who gave you the idea that Blacks and whites together was such a bad thing?

Blogger Ransom Smith July 12, 2017 8:48 PM  

I write off those who claim the constitution has been scrapped as nothing more than someone who doesn't like modern society.

The south called. We'd like to remind you the constitution has been of little meaning for a hundred and fifty six years.

Blogger tz July 12, 2017 8:50 PM  

The Cuckservatives will first assert all you need is the proposition then refuse to deport those who specifically reject it (Think commies in the 1950's - McCarthy was proven right).

But worse, when you ask any of them, or even the civic nationalists what that propostion is, it will NOT contain the cultural ideals upstream of politics. "All men are created equal" isn't enough. But how many will end the 3rd generation single multi-mother on welfare?

Anonymous view July 12, 2017 8:55 PM  

Good things to know for spelling is i before e except after c and when sounding like a as in neighbor and weigh. Also parallel is bizarre.to ls and then one. There is no way you would be able to spell parallel right unless you have a geometry background.

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 9:02 PM  

"The south called. We'd like to remind you the constitution has been of little meaning for a hundred and fifty six years."

The south had to write an alternative constitution in order to get the one they wanted rather than the one they had. Then, they attacked federal territory. I wonder if they expected there wouldn't be a response.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 9:16 PM  

Taylor wrote:Hasn't happened, won't happen. I write off those who claim the constitution has been scrapped as nothing more than someone who doesn't like modern society. I know the feeling. But that's no reason to lie.
Every single freedom that the Constitution was supposed to protect has been compromised. Every single check on the power of the federal government that the constitution was supposed to ensure has been bypassed. There is literally nothing left but the form of a republic.
Taylor wrote:Who gave you the idea that Blacks and whites together was such a bad thing?
Have you ever lived around Blacks?

Blogger Elder Son July 12, 2017 9:23 PM  

To be honest, the constitution was not/is not self-enforcing.

Blaming the con-stee-too-tion is just a cop-out.

The enforcers just would not enforce it.

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 9:37 PM  

"Have you ever lived around Blacks?"

LIved. Worked. and Served.

Blogger DonReynolds July 12, 2017 9:51 PM  

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Blogger DonReynolds July 12, 2017 9:53 PM  

"equality and our common commitment to the political implications of that equality—not race and blood—are the founding principles of our nation."

Complete Rubbish.....
There is NOTHING to suggest that the founding principle of this county was EVER Equality. It is only in the fevered minds of egalitarians the past few decades to insist that equality was ever even desirable in this country. Slaves were never the equal of their owners or non-slaves. Indians were never the equal of non-Indians. Rich were never the equal of poor. Women were never the equal of men. Where the Devil was there any equality? No where. Nor have I heard any argument that would make equality desirable or a worthy goal for the future. Equality is a Lie. Equality has NEVER existed and I see no reason why it ever will. It is nothing more than an egalitarian myth, a society that never existed and never will.

WE are all very different people and that is why we are unique....and being unique, we are rare, and that makes each one of us valuable. WE cannot be replaced by anyone. No one can ever take our place in this world. WE are not machines. (Yes, I know....machines are not equal either.)

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 10:01 PM  

@119

Don,

It's not a question of whether or not we are equal. Of course we are not. Some smarter. Some faster. Some better at calculations, etc.

The question is 1) ought the laws apply to all equally and 2) ought access to opportunity not be artificially blocked to some.

In 21st century America if you can't answers Yes, then No, then you really ought to head out somewhere else to find the Republic of Discrimination in which to live.

Anonymous Horus July 12, 2017 10:22 PM  

You think you have the authority to determine who is a "real American" after you ran away to hide in Italy? As a self-proclaimed half Mexican you're not a real American either. And you'll also never be a real Italian. You are doomed to roam the Earth as a halfbreed pariah.

Blogger DonReynolds July 12, 2017 10:26 PM  

@121 Taylor
21st century America is not going to be what you expect. There has never been an egalitarian utopia and the USA in the 21st century will not be either.

You need to head out for someplace where you can peacefully conduct your experiment in social order. This is not the place....and you really do not need 50 states to try out your ideas. WE are not headed anywhere.

Anonymous andon July 12, 2017 10:32 PM  

Hasn't happened, won't happen.

yay, another nostradomas

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 10:35 PM  

Horus wrote:You think you have the authority to determine who is a "real American" after you ran away to hide in Italy?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're soooo retarded.
You think anyone here cares!

Blogger Were-Puppy July 12, 2017 10:35 PM  

@83 Pbb

What was unique about America is that these founding and evolved American ideas were easily accessible to those of many ethnicities and origins.
---

Hence the massive surplus of Fake Americans

Blogger DonReynolds July 12, 2017 10:37 PM  

@124 andon
Hasn't happened, will happen.

yay, another Democrat Supreme Court nominee

Anonymous andon July 12, 2017 10:38 PM  

2) ought access to opportunity not be artificially blocked to some.

sounds like borders

should what Americans have built be given away to any Tom, Dick, or Jose who sneaks over the border? they all have land of their own and nothing is stopping them from building great countries right where they're at

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 10:39 PM  

It's not about what you want, or I want or Vox wants. It's about what will happen when the crash hits.

Blogger Were-Puppy July 12, 2017 10:42 PM  

@111 Taylor
Who gave you the idea that Blacks and whites together was such a bad thing?
---

Octomom

Anonymous andon July 12, 2017 10:49 PM  

The south had to write an alternative constitution in order to get the one they wanted rather than the one they had. Then, they attacked federal territory. I wonder if they expected there wouldn't be a response.

the Union was the victim, eh?

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 10:58 PM  

"There has never been an egalitarian utopia and the USA in the 21st century will not be either."

I'm not sure what you mean by an "egalitarian utopia"? Is that what you call a place that requires equality under the law and equal access to opportunity without artificial restriction? Or do you think I"m somehow asking for or promoting equality of outcome. That would be impossible.

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 11:01 PM  

"2) ought access to opportunity not be artificially blocked to some.

sounds like borders"

No, it sounds like equality under the law and equal access to opportunity without artificial barriers. I'm not referring to borders at all.

"should what Americans have built be given away to any Tom, Dick, or Jose who sneaks over the border?"

No.

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 11:02 PM  

"Who gave you the idea that Blacks and whites together was such a bad thing?
---

Octomom"

You need to widen your sample.

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 11:02 PM  

"the Union was the victim, eh?"

Along with southern slaves and non-slave owning southerners.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 11:06 PM  

Taylor wrote:Is that what you call a place that requires equality under the law and equal access to opportunity without artificial restriction?
The key word being "requires", as in the full force of the empire will land on you if you are found insufficiently supportive. And "equality" of course, means that as a White man, I will be officially discriminated against, both before the law and in the delivery of the services of government. And if I actually do treat customers and employees equally, without regard to race or sex, I will be destroyed; put out of business, driven from my home, violently assaulted, imprisoned, and threatened with death.
Yes, that's your style of equality.

Feels good, man.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 11:09 PM  

Taylor wrote:"the Union was the victim, eh?"

Along with southern slaves and non-slave owning southerners.


That's true, the non-slaveholding Whites and slaves were slaughtered just as ruthlessly, their women violently raped, their children starved by the Union army as the slaveholders were.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 12, 2017 11:11 PM  

But it's okay, they're just rednecks and niggers, who cares about them when we have moral virtue to signal, right Taylor?

Blogger Tom July 12, 2017 11:21 PM  

"The key word being "requires", as in the full force of the empire will land on you if you are found insufficiently supportive. "

What's your problem with all people including whites, blacks, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc all being required under the law to adhere to the speed limit, not commit robbery, not murder?

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 11:22 PM  

"The key word being "requires", as in the full force of the empire will land on you if you are found insufficiently supportive. And "equality" of course, means that as a White man, I will be officially discriminated against, both before the law and in the delivery of the services of government. And if I actually do treat customers and employees equally, without regard to race or sex, I will be destroyed; put out of business, driven from my home, violently assaulted, imprisoned, and threatened with death.
Yes, that's your style of equality. "

This just makes no sense at all!

Anonymous Taylor July 12, 2017 11:23 PM  

"That's true, the non-slaveholding Whites and slaves were slaughtered just as ruthlessly, their women violently raped, their children starved by the Union army as the slaveholders were"

Slaveholders and Northern Elite weren't exactly in the trenches.

Anonymous BBGKB July 13, 2017 12:09 AM  

Who gave you the idea that Blacks and whites together was such a bad thing?

I used to believe in equality until reality set in. It was really bad when I realized gay rights got tied to blacks being equal.

Anonymous Sharrukin July 13, 2017 12:30 AM  

139. Tom

What's your problem with all people including whites, blacks, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc all being required under the law to adhere to the speed limit, not commit robbery, not murder?

Because it never happens that way. Blacks and Jews largely vote as a group and the first upstanding politician willing to pander to them gets a guaranteed voting bloc and a likely political victory.

In Baltimore and Detroit and other places there is no equality under the law. Crimes are ignored or under reported for political and social reasons. Police then resort to other means to keep their political bosses happy and to keep crime manageable.

Minorities politically work the system to advance their own agenda, and this makes your fantasy idea of equality before the law unworkable.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 13, 2017 12:31 AM  

Tom wrote:What's your problem with all people including whites, blacks, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc all being required under the law to adhere to the speed limit, not commit robbery, not murder?
Nice Motte and Bailey there.
Equality under the law has come to mean exactly my classification as a 3rd class citizen.
Do I have recourse under the law for acts of racism or sexism committed against me?
Is my testimony counted as equal to a woman or an officer of the court?
I can be prosecuted, without so much as a scintilla of proof, of hate crime under the law. Can violent assaults on my person be prosecuted as a hate crime?
I am not allowed to state my opinion of, say gay "marriage", in my own place of business without prosecution. The State well levy ruinous fines and do everything it can to destroy me, even if I repent of my heresy.
Your shibboleth of "equality under the law" has been utterly destroyed in American jurisprudence.

Taylor wrote:This just makes no sense at all!
That is the current state of this country. You can't see it because you support it utterly and without question. Your narrative is getting in the way of your seeing reality.
Under the law I am not equal to you. I am not free to mind my own business.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 13, 2017 12:35 AM  

Taylor wrote:Slaveholders and Northern Elite weren't exactly in the trenches.
Unlike the Northern Elite, the Southern landholders were largely volunteers, many serving without pay, in the Confederate Army. They formed the backbone of the officer corps, and a great many died in the war.
And their wives and children were especial targets of the Union Army.
But you don't know that because you're a moron.

Anonymous andon July 13, 2017 12:56 AM  

@ #133 Taylor

alright. sorry i misread you there

Anonymous andon July 13, 2017 1:06 AM  

What's your problem with all people including whites, blacks, Catholics, Protestants, Jews, etc all being required under the law to adhere to the speed limit, not commit robbery, not murder?

last i heard Calif Governor Jerry Brown said illegal aliens get 10 DUI's before you can deport them. What do you think happens to me if i get 10 DUI's?

Anonymous Taylor July 13, 2017 1:17 AM  

"Equality under the law has come to mean exactly my classification as a 3rd class citizen"

In my neck of the woods a hispanic couple was recently convicted of embezzlement. They were both sent to jail. It was in the news. Three months after the conviction, it was discovered they were aided by a mid level manager who was their direct supervisor. Turns out she actually stole more money than the couple that worked at the company. The Hispanic couple got a 2 years more jail time than the white women.

How can that be?

What hate crime was perpetrated against you? Was it like this one: http://www.colorlines.com/articles/luis-ramirezs-attackers-get-nine-years-prison-deadly-beating

I hope not.

"I am not allowed to state my opinion of, say gay "marriage", in my own place of business without prosecution."

You mean without being fired. You can't be prosecuted for being against gay marriage. However, if you bring disrepute upon a company or violate its company policy, you can be fired.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 13, 2017 1:17 AM  

Bank robbers getting reduced charges so as not to trigger deportations, and being set free for sexual assault that would put a White man on a sexual predator list for the rest of his life. Blacks are allowed to burn cities, loot business and commit murder without repercussion.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 13, 2017 1:22 AM  

Taylor wrote:Turns out she actually stole more money than the couple that worked at the company. The Hispanic couple got a 2 years more jail time than the white women.

How can that be?

Easy, woman trumps Hispanic. This week. If she had been Jewish or Moslem, she would not have been charged.

Taylor wrote:You mean without being fired. You can't be prosecuted for being against gay marriage. However, if you bring disrepute upon a company or violate its company policy, you can be fired.
No, you moron, I meant what I said. We can't help you if you won't read the post.
If you put a sign up in the window of your business saying that gay "marriage" is no marriage, you will be prosecuted by the state government, fined hundreds of thousands of dollars, and shut down. It's happened here in my state.
That's your equality right there, boy.
BTW, we've already determined you're a moron, you don't need to keep proving it.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit July 13, 2017 1:48 AM  

This "Taylor" fellow ain't so bright. Not one clue about the past or the present of America. Heaven help us if it ever gets to influence the future.

These people will be replaced by robots even before burger-flippers are since they require none of the higher human functions such as thought, self-reflection or knowing when one side of the patty is cooked.

do {Repeat discredited msm narrative;
} While (alive);

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable July 13, 2017 2:56 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:I'm gonna take a shot at this. Wish me luck!

I think I am understanding this. The term "posterity" literally means Englishmen. This is straight forward. The point of forming American polity was to create a nation for Englishmen and their descendants, all of which shared common values and beliefs. Second wave immigration introduced Eastern and Central Europeans who brought with them economically collectivist concepts that either created Progressivism or influenced that movement in profound ways. Or did those ideas influence the later incarnation of the "Second Great Awakening"? At any rate, this second wave produced the likes of Emmanuel Celler and Emma Goldman, among others. Was DuBois, the father of Civil Rights dogma, influenced by this? He was, after all, part of that Progressivist context. The progeny of second wave immigration established the momentum which led to LBJ's immigration act. All these things, comprehensively, set in motion a dynamic that completely undermined the vision of the founders of American polity. These things make it completely reasonable to entertain the idea of the inevitability of the dissolution of American polity.

I'm still piecing this together. Feel free to make any corrections and offer any suggestions.


That is a start, but you have to go back to Civil War I and the Reconstruction Amendments that destroyed the subsidiarity of Federalism. After that, the anti-unhyphenated, anti-democracy, anti-family American Empire was inevitable.

Blogger Dane Prywatne July 13, 2017 4:41 AM  

You probably cannot .. you can in-breed within 3-4 generations though.

Anonymous Luke July 13, 2017 6:20 AM  

118. Taylor July 12, 2017 9:37 PM
"Have you ever lived around Blacks?"

"LIved. Worked. and Served."

Slow learner, then.

These might help you, if your "g" is sufficient:

http://whitegirlbleedalot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Knockout-Game-PDF-Enjoy.pdf

https://www.amren.com/features/2016/03/the-color-of-crime/

http://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20060122_multiracialists_are_crazy_part_3_iq_graph_racial.jpg

Anonymous Luke July 13, 2017 6:28 AM  

18. Elizabeth July 12, 2017 2:09 PM
"I've been warning people for years that liberty and security are incompatible: that the more the Government does for you, the more the Government will tell you what to do and what not to do. In other words, you want to be taken care of as if you were ten-years-old, you'll be treated as if you were ten-years-old and someone will make your decisions for you."

Exactly so. I remember seeing about 5 minutes of some libtard TV show depicting an UMC white family "adopting" a working/lower-class black family. If the latter were going to be in a child-like dependent status, IMO they should have gone all the way. E.g., no more access to alcohol/tobacco, no right to drive, no cellphones, no Internet, no voting, get up/go to bed when told, eating vegetables as directed, no sex at all, where the clothes they were told to, avoid the friends they were told to avoid, work/study what/where as directed, and of course corporal punishment/no dessert (or even dinner) for any transgression, beginning with any backtalk. THAT, I would have watched...

Blogger marco moltisanti July 13, 2017 7:43 AM  

Where do the Scots fit in? If Scots can be real Americans, I might be over 50%, which I think Vox said somewhere makes the cut. I am a confusing mixture of English, Scottish, and Scandinavian, with a little bit of Dutch and Cherokee in there somewhere. I'd really have to go back and look at the family tree to make sure if I'm half English or not. Never thought much about it before reading this blog, but I have always felt vaguely "more American" than most US citizens I encounter.

Anonymous andon July 13, 2017 8:54 AM  

However, if you bring disrepute upon a company or violate its company policy, you can be fired.

except you wont get fired for being even far far left of center, not the case for being right wing. also the govts of many countries actually support these violent left wing groups like antifa

you're dishonest if you pretend things are equal

Anonymous andon July 13, 2017 9:02 AM  

In my neck of the woods a hispanic couple was recently convicted of embezzlement. They were both sent to jail. It was in the news. Three months after the conviction, it was discovered they were aided by a mid level manager who was their direct supervisor. Turns out she actually stole more money than the couple that worked at the company. The Hispanic couple got a 2 years more jail time than the white women.

thats funny because in my neck of the woods illegal aliens driving without a license and without insurance and with registration dont even have their cars impounded like i would because the racial superiority groups like la raza convinced the authorities that it would be racist. And you are aware arent you that blacks arent prosecuted these days for many minor crimes because the police depts are under pressure to make it appear that crime is levelizing between the races.

again i suspect you're dishonest now

Anonymous view July 13, 2017 10:45 AM  

Listen Jack it sounds like u crashed a long time ago if i were u i would use my time time more wisely than sowing discord and hindering people trying to enter the Kingdom of God

Blogger Snidely Whiplash July 13, 2017 11:20 AM  

andon wrote:except you wont get fired for being even far far left of center, not the case for being right wing.
In many cases, it is illegal to fire them.

Anonymous andon July 13, 2017 5:19 PM  

@ Snidely

not surprised

Anonymous Avalanche July 14, 2017 7:42 AM  

@81 "I have prepared income taxes for the last few years. I didnt keep stats but i think the average income of my black clients was sognificantly higher than that of my white clients. I have a hunch that nationally they make more money on average than white people too so they are funding a lot of the socialism. "

Self-selected set: ONLY those blacks who actually HAVE enough money to need help with taxes will seek tax help. Q.E.D.

However, the stat I have seen bandied about is that a single mother with a couple+ kids, "earns" nearly $65k a year from welfare/SNAP/SNIP/housing/medical/ etc. etc. It's one of the thing that "prevents" them from "getting off welfare" -- without a BRAIN (and any education) they cannot possibly live as high on the White hog as they do by lying around and making us take care of them! (And, of course, THEY pay no taxes -- so THEY need no tax help! You won't ever see them!)

Anonymous Avalanche July 14, 2017 7:43 AM  

@82 "Perhaps comparing median household incomes would serve you well. Median Black households are about $30,000 less than that of whites."

No, Al, sorry, I'm pretty sure it won't.

Anonymous Avalanche July 14, 2017 7:51 AM  

@114 "Good things to know for spelling is i before e except after c and when sounding like a as in neighbor and weigh. Also parallel is bizarre.to ls and then one. There is no way you would be able to spell parallel right unless you have a geometry background. "

So: you're 13? AND a girl!?!? Sit down, read, and don't write: you might learn something!

Anonymous Avalanche July 14, 2017 8:02 AM  

@118 ""Have you ever lived around Blacks?"
Lived. Worked. and Served."

Yeah, my awakening friend struggles with that too; he works in a high-level, high-tech field with all engineers. So: "I know some pretty smart black guys." ("Well yeah, TOTALLY selected! ANY Bell Curve has a top tail -- and the guys you work with are just those!")

Served? Yeah, same thing -- the military carefully SELECTS as HIGH as they can find off the top of the black curve; you are SO not getting "average/median blacks off the street" -- and even then: they're a problem in the military (yeah, I served with them too -- it's what began my awakening!)

Lived? Either you lived in a majority White neighborhood -- it a high-priced neighborhood, which, again, was a 'selected' group.

So, stop thinking that the carefully selected blacks you knew somehow represent the majority: go watch the St. Trayvon of Skittles court case: TRY to imagine that Jeantelle ... THING ... living, working, and serving near or with you!

(Sorry, Al from Bay Shore -- I know this is .. uncomfortable... but you know it's true.)

Anonymous Avalanche July 14, 2017 9:46 AM  

@159 " if i were u i would use my time time more wisely than sowing discord and hindering people trying to enter the Kingdom of God"

Cool! Yah mean it's time to start SHOOTING THE IMVADERS to help them along to the Kingdom!?! Gimme just a sec to load all my mags!

Or do you think the Kingdom of God is welfare in America?

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