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Sunday, August 06, 2017

IQ, exaggeration, and overrepresentation

Sargon‏ @Sargon_of_Akkad
Has the alt right come to terms with the fact the Jews are just better than they are?

Greg Matusow @gregmatusow
sounds like something a jew would say

Sargon‏ @Sargon_of_Akkad
Sounds like something a race realist who depends on IQ scores to say, you mean.

Supreme Dark Lord‏ @voxday
Your metric is incorrect, Sargon. First, there are 48 high-IQ Han, 11 high-IQ Europeans, and 5 high-IQ Japanese for every high-IQ Jew.

Sargon‏ @Sargon_of_Akkad
Of course, but that's only because of population size.

Supreme Dark Lord‏ @voxday
Obviously. But you cannot claim they are not overrepresented in X because intelligent when there are 64 more intelligent non-Jews per Jew.

Supreme Dark Lord‏ @voxday
Second, average Jewish IQ is only 98, not 115.
Israel IQ = 95
Arab IQ (22.7%) = 84
Jewish IQ (77.3%) = 98
Now, it occurred to me that while I knew the oft-heard claim of a 115 average IQ for Jews was a misleading substitution of a subset for the set, and I had also observed that the claim was almost certainly an exaggeration in light of the average Israeli IQ of 95, I'd never actually run the numbers. The first thing was to update the population percentages according to the latest Israeli demographics, which currently has the Jewish population at 75 percent and the non-Jewish population at 25 percent.

This resulted in an average Israeli Jewish population IQ of 98.7 percent, slightly higher than my original calculation. Now, the Ashkenazi are 47.5 percent of the Israeli Jewish population, which means that if their average IQ is 115, the majority of the Jewish population of Israel has an average IQ of only 83.7, which is TWO standard deviations lower, and is also lower than the average IQs of Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, as well as Nigeria, Uganda, and the Israeli-Arab population.

Does that strike you as likely? No, me neither.

There is one Israeli study that found the difference between Ashkenazi and non-Ashkenazi Jews in Israel to be 14 points. This would indicate an average Ashkenazi IQ of 106 and a non-Ashkenazi IQ of 92. This is considerably more credible, especially since it also happens to align with a number of studies on Ashkenazi IQ. Given that 74 percent of the global Jewish population is Ashkenazim, that means that the average Jewish IQ is 102.4.

So, average Jewish IQ is not particularly high, but is slightly higher than the European average, and considerably higher than the current US average, which I calculate to be around 95 and falling. Which, of course, is why high average intelligence is an inadequate explanation for the historical Jewish success in 20th-century America, as their level of comparative success is declining even as the IQ delta grows.

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181 Comments:

Anonymous Culture of Critique August 06, 2017 9:10 AM  

"Various spurious reasons are given to account for anti-Semitism, mostly by Jews themselves. These include:

1) “Because Jews are strangers”.

Xenophobia does exist, but mostly towards strangers who are present in a great number and therefore pose a threat to the indigenous population. Jews are everywhere a small minority, so that cannot be the reason.

2) “Because Christians consider Jews as Christ killers”.

A conflict between Christianity and Judaism does exist, but Jews were equally hated in the pre-Christian pagan world, so that cannot be the main reason.

3) “Because Jews are economically successful”.

Economical jealousy, especially towards foreign groups does exist, but the recurrent reproach is not economical success but economical dishonesty, especially in the form of usury.

4) “Because Jews are intelligent and excel in the professions.”

Professional jealousy does exist, but again the reproach is not success but the misuse of influence for harmful purposes.

All in all, a negative attitude towards Jews follows them everywhere they settle and the reproach is always: Jewish misbehavior."

https://www.darkmoon.me/2014/why-i-am-an-anti-semite-by-franklin-ryckaert/

Anonymous Godfrey August 06, 2017 9:13 AM  

The twisted centrally controlled fiat banking system just may have a little something to do with their "success".

Give me monopoly control of the monetary system and I, and my friends, would be great "successes" too...

...ah, but one can only dream.

Blogger Ezekiel August 06, 2017 9:13 AM  

I wonder what the religious breakdown looks like. Are the Hasidim and ultra-Orthodox more intelligent than the seculars, or is it the opposite? I could see arguments for either one.

Blogger Unknown August 06, 2017 9:13 AM  

I thought it was all about debating skills. And computer game design. And blog stats. And and infogalactic galloonishness. They're the metrics that matter, after all.

Blogger Dave August 06, 2017 9:17 AM  

"This resulted in an average Israeli Jewish population IQ of 98.7 percent"

Anonymous JAG August 06, 2017 9:21 AM  

He's worried about the coming Youtube/Google apocalypse. Just gotta virtue signal to (((those))) in charge.

Blogger Antony August 06, 2017 9:22 AM  

Another reason for the Israeli success may be the vast amounts of economic and military aid given to it by the USA, quite apart from the vast amounts made by banksterism.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine August 06, 2017 9:23 AM  

Typos happen Dave.

Anonymous Godfrey August 06, 2017 9:24 AM  

Anyone know? Do psychopaths generally have higher IQ's than the general population? They definitely seem to rise to the top in politics and business in every culture.


Anonymous nil August 06, 2017 9:25 AM  

Why exactly aren't you including the American and European Jewish populations into this estimate? The Ashkenazi/white European IQ difference is very well documented.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 06, 2017 9:28 AM  

I'm not worthy, the jews must then become one with the glorious people of color.

Blogger Shimshon August 06, 2017 9:30 AM  

"Another reason for the Israeli success may be the vast amounts of economic and military aid given to it by the USA, quite apart from the vast amounts made by banksterism."

Translation: (((You))) didn't build that.

This is not the 1970s. There are many reasons why the US gives, and Israel accepts, aid. Actual need has not been among them for years.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 9:31 AM  

Why exactly aren't you including the American and European Jewish populations into this estimate? The Ashkenazi/white European IQ difference is very well documented.

Because those "very well documented" studies are a) small, b) often biased, and c) obviously unreliable due to the 10-point difference in their results. Furthermore, Israel tracks the definitions of Jew vs not-Jew much more carefully than do Americans or Europeans. For example, there are more than a few smart "Jews" in the US who are less genetically Jewish than I am American Indian.

Furthermore, the sole focus on the Ashkenazi is dishonest cherry-picking.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 06, 2017 9:33 AM  

I wonder how much of the overrepresentation stems from Jewish control of academia versus nepotism in the hiring process. When I was at an Ivy League law school in the 90s, the faculty was half Jewish and the student body was 1/3 Jewish. The doctoral program was majority Israeli. When you have stacked the deck to this extent at the start of the process, in a society that values credentials over real achievements in most professions, you can claim to be focused exclusively on merit when making hiring decisions and still wind up with massive Jewish overrepresentation.

Blogger Shimshon August 06, 2017 9:33 AM  

As pointed out recently by Moshe Feiglin (http://www.zehutinternational.com/single-post/2017/07/10/What-Would-We-Do-Without-the-Americans):

As part of its 'aid' package to Israel, the US shared in the financing of Israel's anti-missile defense system, developed by Israel. This gave the US the right to veto Israel's deal to export those missiles directly to Poland. Instead, it will allow Israel to export them via...the US.

The result:
6.6 billion dollars for the US, 1 billion dollars for Israel.
Israel has just lost export revenues worth two years of US aid. Thank God for US aid to Israel!

[That's Jewish brains for you. Vox does have a point.]

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 06, 2017 9:38 AM  

jewish success is due to

1) working hard.
2) ambition.
3) specialisation.
4) ethnic nepotism.

This is the same recipe many dominant minorities use.

The problem is that modern Jews are less hard working and less driven than their ancestors. They are more and more getting by on the inertia of past generations. By the end the century Jewish power will be shattered everywhere.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 9:38 AM  

Now, it is possible that the Ashkenazi in the USA are more intelligent, on average, than the Ashkenazi in Israel. The irony, of course, is that any such difference would almost certainly be due to their higher admixture of European genes, given the fact that US Jews have partially assimilated by the white European population.

Given intermarriage and low birth rates, Jews will barely exist as a distinct genetic population in the USA within 3-5 generations, with the exception of the orthodox. I haven't run the numbers, but keep in mind there are only 1.2 million Jews between the ages of 30 and 49, versus 1.8 million Jews from age 50 to 69. And those Jews are less genetically Jewish, on average.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 9:40 AM  

You're banned for dishonesty, Nil. Don't comment here anymore. You cannot substitute "Ashkenazi" for Jew. I am aware that other people do it. They are being dishonest when they do so too.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 06, 2017 9:43 AM  

Does Sargon believe in the Blank Slate Theory? Of course he will say so in public and of course no conservative intellectual will mock him which he deserves.

Anonymous Muh Missile Defense August 06, 2017 9:45 AM  

"Iran’s next move [in the war game] jacked the tensions to a fever pitch. It was an inspired move, actually. Without saying anything, Iran evacuated its big cities. The population rode out to the distant suburbs and beyond. The United States watched this fantastic exodus over satellites. Soon, CNN put videos taken on the ground on the Web. Iran was now poised for nuclear attack. Its population would survive an Israeli counterstrike.


Israel, by contrast, was in chaos. There was nowhere for the Israelis to go. Ben Gurion Airport near Tel Aviv was closed by the rockets bombing it. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were mobbing the coastal marinas, desperately trying to escape to Cyprus in small boats. TV showed the panic. Deterrence, and the myth of Israeli invincibility, the bedrock of Israeli security, were disappearing."


http://nationalpost.com/opinion/paul-bracken-how-iran-can-beat-israel/wcm/d3ddf423-b0c0-4d56-8def-b09baff4912e

Blogger dc.sunsets August 06, 2017 9:46 AM  

Is much "Jewish success" simply analogous to "Female success" at corporations saturated with Diversity, Inc HR practices?

In our cultural worship of celebrity we tend to see only the outliers, more so those who survived major culling AND who often received extraordinary help behind the scenes.

Jews hiring, promoting and PROMOTING other Jews easily accounts for appearances. And we live in a time of pervasive "management" of appearances.

Clannishness accounts for SO much.

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 9:47 AM  

"high average intelligence is an inadequate explanation for the historical Jewish success in 20th-century America."

This isn't a mystery:

1. High Average IQ
2. High family and community expectations
3. Commitment to higher education
4. Historic tendency to go into professions, rather than trades
5. Family Support

It's a pretty successful formula.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 06, 2017 9:49 AM  

And those Jews are less genetically Jewish, on average.

Another issue that rears it head. An acquaintance of mine recently found out that his gene mapping was wrong.

What I mean about that is, he is one percent Jewish when he was supposed to be twelve.

His "Jewish" ancestors were pretty much all "observant" Europeans.

Anonymous Rex2 August 06, 2017 9:51 AM  

It takes a lot of IQ to figure out how to break the Sabbath;

It's hard to imagine that anything literally hanging from utility poles across Manhattan could be considered "hidden," but throughout the borough, about 18 miles of translucent wire stretches around the skyline, and most people have likely never noticed. It's called an eruv (plural eruvin), and its existence is thanks to the Jewish Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, which is viewed as a day of rest, observant Jewish people aren't allowed to carry anything—books, groceries, even children—in public places (doing so is considered "work"). The eruv encircles much of Manhattan, acting as a symbolic boundary that turns the very public streets of the city into a private space, much like one's own home. This allows people to freely communicate and socialize on the Sabbath—and carry whatever they please—without having to worry about breaking Jewish law.

Citation: https://archive.fo/7exn2

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 9:53 AM  

It's a pretty successful formula.

That isn't the formula. The formula is a high-performance, low-trust minority taking advantage of a high-trust majority. That's why Israel is less successful than anticipated. When you're the majority, you have to actually deliver because no one is going to do the work for you.

Anonymous Kevin MaxDonald August 06, 2017 9:53 AM  

How many of you have read Culture of Critique?

Blogger Joe A. August 06, 2017 9:53 AM  

Average IQ of 95 in the US? Unsurprising but disheartening...

Blogger Cail Corishev August 06, 2017 9:54 AM  

I don't know the context of his question, so I don't want to jump to conclusions. But if he's virtue-signaling by taking shots at the Alt-Right because SJWs have accused him of being one of us, that's sad.

It's too bad that doesn't work in reverse. We could make leftists shoot at each other all day long.

Blogger BlowMe August 06, 2017 9:56 AM  

Funny, I can't seem to find Sargon's tweet where he asks blacks and Arabs if they have come to terms with the fact that whites "are just better" than they are.

I must not be looking hard enough. Heh.

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 10:01 AM  

"That isn't the formula. The formula is a high-performance, low-trust minority taking advantage of a high-trust majority."

Taking advantage? LOL.... How much time have you spent around Jewish families and in Jewish communities?

What does this "taking advantage" look like in reality?

Blogger Cecil Henry August 06, 2017 10:03 AM  

Sargon is now a 'race realist' who is indifferent to White Genocide, can't take a pro-White position and stop cucking.

Now Jews are 'better', but the converse can NEVER be true and he'll never understand what conflict of interest means.

Despicable Sargon: half baked is sometimes worse than not baked at all.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 10:11 AM  

What does this "taking advantage" look like in reality?

Here are four examples, from small to large.

Ben Shapiro being nationally syndicated by Creators Syndicate while still in junior high, despite having one of the least-read columns on WND. Creators then bundled his column with more popular columns to get newspapers to run it.

An individual with zero work experience of any kind and zero related education being given a million-dollar budget to develop a computer game.

Wildly disproportionate acceptance of inferior students at elite universities where the admissions offices are controlled.

The 2008 financial industry bailouts.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 06, 2017 10:11 AM  

Is it Carl Benjamin or (((Carl Benjamin)))?

Anonymous Godfrey August 06, 2017 10:14 AM  

In a fair game the most intelligent, ambitious and hard working rise to the top.

In a rigged game the most cunning, ruthless, and deceitful rise to the top.

Anonymous J August 06, 2017 10:17 AM  

Published on the WSJ BLOG on October 5, 2010

Michael Santomauro wrote:
Joe Sobran who died last week said:

“Jewish control of the major media in the media age makes the enforced silence both paradoxical and paralyzing. Survival in public life requires that you know all about it, but never refer to it. A hypocritical etiquette forces us to pretend that the Jews are powerless victims; and if you don’t respect their victimhood, they’ll destroy you. It’s a phenomenal display not of wickedness, really, but of fierce ethnocentrism, a sort of furtive racial superpatriotism.”

A current example that illustrates exactly this is the firing of Rick Sanchez from CNN for saying the following about Jews as victims:

“Very powerless people… [snickers] He’s such a minority, I mean, you know [sarcastically]… Please, what are you kidding? … I’m telling you that everybody who runs CNN is a lot like Stewart, and a lot of people who run all the other networks are a lot like Stewart, and to imply that somehow they — the people in this country who are Jewish — are an oppressed minority? Yeah.” [sarcastically]

Michael Medved, Orthodox Jew and author of Hollywood vs. America: “It makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power and prominence in popular culture . . . Any Martian monitoring American television . . . would view Seinfeld, Friends, The Nanny, Northern Exposure, Mad about You, and other shows and be surprised to learn that fewer than 1 in 40 Americans is Jewish.”

Brandies Professor Stephen J. Whitfield: “From its origins, Hollywood has been stamped with a Jewish identity, but nobody else was supposed to know about it. But somehow, no matter how thorough the attempt to suppress or disguise it, Jewishness is going to bob to the surface anyway.”

Author Stephen Schiff: “The way Steven Spielberg sees the world has become the way the world is communicated back to us every day.”

Neal Gabler, author of An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood, wrote that “The American Dream—is a Jewish invention.” As he documented: “The storefront theaters of the late teens were transformed into the movie palaces of the twenties by Jewish exhibitors. And when sound movies commandeered the industry, Hollywood was invaded by a battalion of Jewish writers, mostly from the East. The most powerful talent agencies were run by Jews. Jewish lawyers transacted most of the industry’s business and Jewish doctors ministered to the industry’s sick. Above all, Jews produced the movies.”

Most of us are mentally trapped to think Jewish. Actually, it is safe to say that virtually every mainstream publication or or other type of media organ is “nothing more than a screen to present chosen views.” The great battle over the last century has been a battle for the mind of the Western peoples, i.e., non-Jewish Euros. The chosen won it by acquiring control over essentially the complete mainstream news, information, education and entertainment media of every type, and using that control to infuse and disseminate their message, agenda and worldview, their way of thinking, or rather the way they want us to think. Since at least the 1960s this campaign has been effectively complete. Since then they have shaped and controlled the minds of all but a seeming few of us in varying degree with almost no opposition or competition from any alternative worldview. So now most of us are mentally trapped in the box the chosen have made for us, which we have lived in all our lives. Only a few have managed to avoid it or escape it, or to even sometimes see outside of it, and so actually “think outside of the (Jewish) box.” –Michael Santomauro

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 06, 2017 10:17 AM  

I am underwhelmed that the Ron Jeremys of the world are considered my better.

Blogger Student in Blue August 06, 2017 10:18 AM  

"Anti-semitism" isn't helped by their almost genetic aversion of humility.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 10:20 AM  

How much time have you spent around Jewish families and in Jewish communities?

Enough to be able to conclusively prove everything I assert. As usual. We've seen right here on this blog that Jews simply do not operate by the same rules of honesty and fair play that Americans do. It's almost comical at times to see how US Jews do not realize how reprehensible things like post-performance renegotiations and the AIPAC-sponsored anti-boycott laws look to Americans.

Short-term benefit, long-term loss is the inevitable result. But, the point is this will be true of EVERY low-trust, high-performance minority. The result would have been no difference had the Chinese been in Europe or the Jews in Japan.

Jews aren't bad people. They simply operate with their own rulebook, as do all distinct nations. That rulebook is more in conflict with some societies (N. Europe, N. America), considerably less with others (China, Africa, Arab, S. America)

Blogger Critical G August 06, 2017 10:23 AM  

Is the score of 95 reliable? According to this blog post, Richard Lynn gave undue weight to the worst results in order to arrive at 95 instead of 100.

I'm not sure either way. I grew up in Israel and went to a Jewish high school in the diaspora, and can recall plenty of bright sparks and plenty of dimmer specimens too.
Strangely, the craziest SJWs in Israel are the purest Ashkenazis;maybe it's a dysfunction inherited from the Europeans.

https://ethnicgenome.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/israeli-iq-not-94-at-all/amp/

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 10:24 AM  

"Ben Shapiro being nationally syndicated by Creators Syndicate while still in junior high, despite having one of the least-read columns on WND. Creators then bundled his column with more popular columns to get newspapers to run it.

An individual with zero work experience of any kind and zero related education being given a million-dollar budget to develop a computer game.

Wildly disproportionate acceptance of inferior students at elite universities where the admissions offices are controlled.

The 2008 financial industry bailouts."

These aren't examples of "taking advantage" of anyone. These sound perhaps like examples of favoritism. The 2008 financial industry bailout in particular needs explanation as an example of one group taking advantage of another. The bailout was approved by a congress that had jews in it, but they were the minority. The plan was developed by Henry Paulsen. Not a member of the tribe.

Blogger Student in Blue August 06, 2017 10:26 AM  

But, the point is this will be true of EVERY low-trust, high-performance minority. The result would have been no difference had the Chinese been in Europe or the Jews in Japan.

Now that you mention that Vox, there's a number of similar personality markers in the Chinese as in the Jews. Had never quite connected that with low-trust, high-performance.

Those personality markers including an almost allergic response to humility. Which, in hindsight, is an essential part of high-trust, but in low-trust would get them taken advantage of.

I'm probably stating the obvious at this point, but it's definitely something I hadn't considered. Thank you.

Anonymous Justice League August 06, 2017 10:27 AM  

Speaking of low IQs, why would you post this while under investigation by the ADL? Don't bother deleting this post. I've screenshot it (and every comment, hi Nazis!) and sent it to the ADL, SPLC and FBI. I also plan to follow up with the ADL via phone on Monday.

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 10:28 AM  

"Enough to be able to conclusively prove everything I assert."

What does "enough" actually consist of?

Anonymous Bowman August 06, 2017 10:33 AM  

Reformer wrote:These aren't examples of "taking advantage" of anyone. These sound perhaps like examples of favoritism.

When I shoot, it's your responsibility to dodge the bullet.

Blogger BlowMe August 06, 2017 10:34 AM  

@42

"I've screenshot it (and every comment, hi Nazis!)"

Good morning, pedophile!



Blogger Student in Blue August 06, 2017 10:34 AM  

Don't bother deleting this post. I've screenshot it

Well good, now that it's saved and on your computer, you can take the time to actually read it and realize that everything we said is correct. And when you continue to read it, you'll find yourself... agreeing with us.

Blogger Sevron August 06, 2017 10:34 AM  

"What does enough actually consist of?"
Jew spotted.

Blogger tuberman August 06, 2017 10:34 AM  

The biggest factor in the Jewish doing well in America, is the constant playing of the "victim card," holocaust and so forth, including the using of it for other "minorities" to have allies against Whites.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 06, 2017 10:36 AM  

So favoritism harms no one, huh?

Do opthamologists recognize a form of myopia specific to Jews?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 06, 2017 10:36 AM  

The formula is a high-performance, low-trust minority taking advantage of a high-trust majority.

It was a real eye-opener a while back, when a couple of the regular Jewish commenters tried to explain to the rest of us why it's fine to try to renegotiate business deals that have already been agreed upon. They really do have a very different way of seeing some things. That wouldn't be a problem except that most of the rest of us have no idea that's true, so we project our own attitudes onto them, handing them an advantage over us.

Blogger Ben Cohen August 06, 2017 10:37 AM  

Vox, what do you mean by post performance renegotiations?

Blogger Cail Corishev August 06, 2017 10:37 AM  

Looks like HSolo changed usernames after outing himself yesterday.

Blogger Ben Cohen August 06, 2017 10:39 AM  

I see what you're saying from Cail.

This is the reason why a family member prefers not do to work for Jews, because of the haggling.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 06, 2017 10:40 AM  

The Japanese have the good sense to limit their high trust to other Japanese. The Jews would not have had the same success there.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 06, 2017 10:41 AM  

@42 Justice League, I know I missed the early commenting but could include me in your report too? I know that I am one of the few Black folks who comments here (maybe the only one) but you can tell the ADL, SPLC, and the FBI that I am a supporter of Farrakhan. Seriously. I even went to the Million Man March, and I have that Leroy Campbell commemorative sweatshirt to prove it.

Anonymous Every Single Time August 06, 2017 10:42 AM  

>>When I shoot, it's your responsibility to dodge the bullet.

"The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you." - Polish proverb.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 10:42 AM  

Speaking of low IQs, why would you post this while under investigation by the ADL? Don't bother deleting this post. I've screenshot it (and every comment, hi Nazis!) and sent it to the ADL, SPLC and FBI. I also plan to follow up with the ADL via phone on Monday.

Because I don't care what the ADL does. If you want to call the Executive Director of the ADL, I have his direct personal line. I spoke to him just two weeks ago.

Why would I delete this post? If the ADL wants to defy both science and reality, that's their problem, not mine.

Anonymous Rocklea August 06, 2017 10:45 AM  

Meritocracy:- May the best Jew win.

Sargon is an anti-identitarian, therefore anti-Semitic as well as anti Alt-Right. He is liberal, pro capitalist and free market, with a firm belief in social safety nets and Magic Dirt. It is however a mild case of Magic Dirtitus as he was pro Brexit and anti-Islamic immigration. He wears rose coloured glasses which he will remove, or not, once circumstances require choosing sides. He is however not an idiot and you'll note he stopped engaging once Vox pointed out the error in his argument.

Blogger Ben Cohen August 06, 2017 10:45 AM  

The tragedy of this low trust disease is that it could be remedied if Jews and anyone else followed the example of Moses the humble.

Some of this is due to the constant, unending pressure to make tons of money. There is no way to practice the religion without lots of money, and the failed leadership don't care because they live off the big earners.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 10:46 AM  

These aren't examples of "taking advantage" of anyone. These sound perhaps like examples of favoritism.

I suggest you think through that statement. And "perhaps"? Come, you're not that stupid.

Blogger Shimshon August 06, 2017 10:48 AM  

Vox,

Regarding Ben and the unnamed unqualified game developer, is it reasonable to ask for more details? What is the chain that led from Ben getting from wunderkind to syndication? Joseph Farah may be a semitic cousin, for example, but he's not a member of the tribe. Did he have final say on Ben's WND column, or did a Jew? I don't know whether WND or syndication came first. And Ben's meteoric rise (I remember him appearing to great fanfare on WND) is dubious. Given the low bar of conservative media, is it a surprise that it would want to play up a "kid genius" angle, whether deserved or not?

Anonymous Little birdie August 06, 2017 10:49 AM  

Roosh has a good write up on the JQ:

http://www.returnofkings.com/62716/the-damaging-effects-of-jewish-intellectualism-and-activism-on-western-culture

Blogger tuberman August 06, 2017 10:50 AM  

I'm not too worried about the Jewish, as they have not adapted well to other low trust peoples now pushing them out all over the USA. Ivy League schools, lesbian and other leftist parades, the West Coast... all being replaced as unnecessary. Jewish adaptability in the USA is miserable and weak, as all they have Left is MSM control and bankster money, which is becoming more costly and less effective. The parasite money is not what it use to be either with "THE PARIS ACCORDS, and TPP shut down.

Blogger exfarmkid August 06, 2017 10:53 AM  

VD: "Which, of course, is why high average intelligence is an inadequate explanation for the historical Jewish success in 20th-century America."

Nepotism used within an English-descended society which discourages it for everybody else?

Anonymous Patron August 06, 2017 10:56 AM  

So, average Jewish IQ is not high, but is actually slightly lower than the European average, although higher than the current US average

Quick question to VD or any others who know more about this, but what about the breakdown in differences? If (for example) Ashkenazi Jews score much higher in linguistic skills than white Europeans, might that explain their predominance in (say) the media and such? There'd presumably be substandard performance in Ashkenazi Jews in some other part of IQ (eg spatial reasoning) to offset this.

Blogger James August 06, 2017 10:59 AM  

What about the differences in opportunities for the more intelligent people to express their intelligence and take advantage of the opportunities that they can understand that are beyond the reach and grasp of the less intelligent? Seems to me a smart person living in a totalitarian society is likely to be living in a gulag of some kind and therefore will not be allowed to achieve their potential the way they would in a more free society. I'm suggesting that, for example. Israel could have an "average" IQ level of idiot but because their most intelligent citizens have liberty to achieve, their society "seems" smarter than statistics would make it appear. In oppressive crap holes like most Arab countries the opposite would be true: even if the average IQ was genius level the lack of liberty puts a lid on the accomplishments that would otherwise be possible.

Anonymous Hank August 06, 2017 11:00 AM  

If your father (the devil) spent 2000+ years breeding the "Ultimate Human Parasites" don't you think this would this effort would show up in the IQ charts? Genetic engineering pays off!

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 06, 2017 11:02 AM  

Shimshon wrote:
As pointed out recently by Moshe Feiglin (What-Would-We-Do-Without-the-Americans)

As part of its 'aid' package to Israel, the US shared in the financing of Israel's anti-missile defense system, developed by Israel. This gave the US the right to veto Israel's deal to export those missiles directly to Poland. Instead, it will allow Israel to export them via...the US.

The result:

6.6 billion dollars for the US, 1 billion dollars for Israel.

Israel has just lost export revenues worth two years of US aid. Thank God for US aid to Israel!

[That's Jewish brains for you. Vox does have a point.]


I've noticed this point made before by Israelis. Someone on a thread here a couple of weeks ago made a similar one and further offered a theory that all this US aid will evaporate once the oil reserves of Saudi and the region lose their strategic importance. If nothing else Shimson's point argues that the Talmudist Neo-Babelists running the racket in the Fake Banana Empire have no qualms about screwing over their tribesmen in Israel. Note also that VD has pointed out the Learned Elders of Wye's plans are to move their racketeering operations to China, not Israel. Those in Israel who mention such treacherous activity of (((diaspora klan))) are usually nationalists rather than supremacist-imperialist in nature.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 11:03 AM  

Regarding Ben and the unnamed unqualified game developer, is it reasonable to ask for more details?

No. I'm not interested in discussing these things, it's long-dead history. You can look up the timeline of Shapiro's career on your own.

Blogger NO GOOGLES August 06, 2017 11:04 AM  

@42
Ahahaha, wow is this post for real? DON'T EVEN BOTHER DELETING IT VOX, HE'S GOT SCREEEEEEENSHOTS.

YOU TALKED ABOUT JEEEEEEEEWS ON THE INTARBEANS, I'M CALLING THE FBI!
Does this person actually think that the FBI cares about someone talking about Jewish IQ on the internet? And the line about the ADL? Either this person is a complete internet neophyte or thinks the FBI is "Internet Dad" and the ADL is "SUPER Internet Dad".

Either way, thanks for that. Laughter is good exercise.

As for Sargon, I do have to say that I enjoy some of his content from time to time. He is hopelessly stuck in "indignant housewife mode" when it comes to the alt-right, though. He buys into the false equivalency of believing that since both SJWs can alt-right deal with identity in varying degrees, that they are both the exact same, just different ends of the political spectrum.

I've often wondered what the most effective way to convince such people of dropping their pure emotional attachment to "muh diversity". They understand and even agree 80% of the time when it is pointed out how destructive this kind of colorblind pathological altruism they are still clinging to is. Sargon himself has even admitted that Islam is not compatible with Western civilization... but then when you point out the logical end of deporting muslims, he immediately reverts to his "muh diversity" safety blanket.

It really does seem that a lot of people can't fathom such policies done in any other way than the Armenian Genocide or something similar. They can't imagine just shipping people back to whatever Muslim country they came from. They still think such a thing HAS to end with millions dead as if the UK is going to drive the muslims into the English Channel and force them to try and swim to France in the same vein as the Turks driving the Armenians into the Syrian desert to starve and die of thirst. He's not the only person I've run into with this mental block. They will logically go with you 80% of the way, but actually doing something? Whoa, that sounds extreme. As if expelling problem populations has never happened in history before and isn't real, workable solution.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 11:07 AM  

I'm not too worried about the Jewish, as they have not adapted well to other low trust peoples now pushing them out all over the USA.

Exactly. Which is why it is foolish for Jews to dismiss my observations as anti-semitic rather than utilizing them as a predictive model. If they are correct, they will benefit because the IQ delta is even greater, on average.

If I am correct, they're in for failure because their low-trust games will not work on other low-trust peoples, and they will be outcompeted by smarter or even lower-trust people. Remember, the Asians are not monolithic. Only now do the various Asian nations have sufficient numbers in the USA to start playing the identity game themselves.

Anonymous BBGKB August 06, 2017 11:09 AM  

Has the alt right come to terms with the fact the Jews are just better than they are?

No alt righter who has read Martin Luther's book from hundreds of years ago about all of their scams will be surprised, as long as they can see that high speed trading and hiring someone to kill off other people's homing pigeons is the same type of market cheating.

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 11:11 AM  

"Exactly. Which is why it is foolish for Jews to dismiss my observations as anti-semitic rather than utilizing them as a predictive model."

The problem with your observations is that they are not based on a proper understanding of American jews, their culture, their community nor their view of the world.

Blogger Jew613 August 06, 2017 11:19 AM  

I'm aware that this is strictly my personnel experience but in Israel the Sefardim as a group have a lot more common sense then Ashkenazim. With rare exceptions you just don't see the goofy leftist ideas among sefardim like you do some Ashkenazim.

Anonymous Havan Monohan August 06, 2017 11:20 AM  

LOL at this kvetching...

As pointed out recently by Moshe Feiglin (What-Would-We-Do-Without-the-Americans)

As part of its 'aid' package to Israel, the US shared in the financing of Israel's anti-missile defense system, developed by Israel. This gave the US the right to veto Israel's deal to export those missiles directly to Poland. Instead, it will allow Israel to export them via...the US.

The result:

6.6 billion dollars for the US, 1 billion dollars for Israel.

Israel has just lost export revenues worth two years of US aid. Thank God for US aid to Israel!


At least these Khazars are thankful for 50 years of US welfare...

PS: A pair of Jews are at lunch. One says, “Ask me how business is doing.”
The other replies, “This is a friendly meal. Let’s not bother with shoptalk.”

The first guy insists, adding, “If you ask, I can write this off as an expense.”

The second guy relents, “Fine, how’s business?”

“Oy vey , don’t ask.”

Blogger praetorian August 06, 2017 11:24 AM  

I find myself at times hoping for a Chinese takeover of the core US insitutions.

At least then the normies will be able to see, visibility, wtf is going on, and the Chinese seem much less attached to socio-sexual degeneracy.

Blogger Johnny August 06, 2017 11:25 AM  

Shimshon wrote:The result:

6.6 billion dollars for the US, 1 billion dollars for Israel.

Israel has just lost export revenues worth two years of US aid. Thank God for US aid to Israel!


If these numbers are gross sales, then the return is going to be net of expenses, or the profit. Probably about 10%, whereas the aid would be 100% benefit to recipient.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 11:27 AM  

The problem with your observations is that they are not based on a proper understanding of American jews, their culture, their community nor their view of the world.

That may or may not be. And yet, events are again playing out as per my predictive model. You see, you simply don't grasp that words are not magic. Reality is not going to bend to your wishful thinking.

Remember, you thought Hillary was going to win, while at the same time, I was having Trumpslide 2020 shirts made up.

Blogger valiance. August 06, 2017 11:29 AM  

I typically used 115 as a shorthand for ashkenazi jewish iq, but useful reminder from vox that that number is well towards the top of the suggested range. Not sure I buy 106 though.

That said, something like 70-80% of jews worldwide are ashkenazi, (90% of US jews are ashkenazi) and when we are talking about notable jews we are often--because of their iq and the attending accomplishments--talking about ashkenazim and not other sorts of jews. hence the typical elision of ashkenazi when talking about "jewish iq"

@17 orthodox jews typically dont stay orthodox, they secularize and replenish the secular population, compensating in part for the latter's lower fertility. Not sure if this can compensate for intermarriage rates and low fertility though. orthodox retention rates are increasing in the younger generations, so perhaps the future vox predicts will come to pass. plausible anyway

Blogger S. Misanthrope August 06, 2017 11:29 AM  

I'm extremely confused by this new "Jews are just better" narrative. I'm pretty young and grew up in a wealthy and therefore disproportionately Jewish area (they were still a minority but the most common one besides Asians.) Jewish nepotism was not even a open secret at the time- it was just open. It's also well documented historically in many professions, most notably the law, medicine, and parts of finance in the US. You can explain it as defensive if you want, as a response to gentiles keeping Jews out of their organizations, but you can't pretend it isn't there or explained by factors like IQ.

PC rot even has brains like Sargon's automatically protecting the Chosen People from anything remotely like criticism or accountability. It's truly sick.

Anonymous Somme Boddet August 06, 2017 11:30 AM  

Maybe not the best place to ask, but hey, it's a Sargon thread.

Vox are you and Sargon going to have a debate about religion and atheism like the two of you have discussed on twitter in the past (If I'm remembering this correctly,) Or has that been scrapped?

Blogger James August 06, 2017 11:31 AM  

#73 Reformer: "The problem with your observations is that they are not based on a proper understanding of American jews, their culture, their community nor their view of the world. "
So, what would be a proper understanding?

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 11:32 AM  

"That may or may not be. And yet, events are again playing out as per my predictive model. You see, you simply don't grasp that words are not magic. Reality is not going to bend to your wishful thinking."

You should be clearer about what your "predictive model" means for American Jews. It's not entirely clear. Is your prediction that the "comparative success" of American Jews isn't sustainable? OK. How do we measure this? Or is it something else you are predicting?

Blogger tuberman August 06, 2017 11:32 AM  

76. praetorian

"I find myself at times hoping for a Chinese takeover of the core US institutions."

Except The Chinese are arrogant, vicious, and sadistic beyond belief. All other cultures are just one level or another of animals to them.

Blogger bw August 06, 2017 11:35 AM  

@ #29

+1

They're so brilliant that they're consistently inconsistent and liars.

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 11:36 AM  

"So, what would be a proper understanding?"

See #22 comment to begin with. But also, much the discussion here assumes some sort of vast Jewish collective conspiracy. That they all swim in the same direction with some nefarious goal. This shows a deep misunderstanding of the Jewish community.

Blogger tuberman August 06, 2017 11:36 AM  

The truth may come out about the Chinese when they supply the heavy weapons needed to break through the White Gated communities in South Africa and genocide most of the remaining Afrikaner Whites in a short period of time.

Blogger Johnny August 06, 2017 11:40 AM  

The immigration policy of the United States works against Jewish interests in so many ways that I find it remarkable that they don't oppose it, and yet they are active supporters. The only thing I can figure is that they believe their own bias. They have adsorbed the doctrine that they are pushing on the rest of us.

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 11:41 AM  

See #22 comment to begin with. But also, much the discussion here assumes some sort of vast Jewish collective conspiracy. That they all swim in the same direction with some nefarious goal. This shows a deep misunderstanding of the Jewish community.

You cannot answer the question of what a proper understanding is by repeating what it is not. Comment #22 is not an answer to the question.

You should be clearer about what your "predictive model" means for American Jews. It's not entirely clear. Is your prediction that the "comparative success" of American Jews isn't sustainable? OK. How do we measure this? Or is it something else you are predicting?

See my post on the Learned Elders of Wye to begin with. But also, your comment exhibits a basic failure to understand what a predictive model is for. This concern with quantification is misplaced and shows a deep misunderstanding of predictive models.

Anonymous Wu Ming August 06, 2017 11:42 AM  

There are many people outside of my family who are more intelligent than my family members, but I care about my family the most.

And while I wish well for the other peoples of the world, they do not belong in my house regardless of how intelligent they are.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 06, 2017 11:43 AM  

@50 Cail Corishev

"Penny wise, pound foolish". The myth of the "capable" Jewish businessman is pretty well established. Reality is they go into fields with outsized influence but limited responsibility. Thus they should up in pretty much every field that's shady, at an over-representative level.


@68 Gen. Kong

It reminds me of the whole dodge of calling people "Israel First": I've yet to actually see anyone that is. AIPAC is much more about using Israel as a cudgel for the influence of the New York financiers. Much as it's noticeable how different Trump acts when putting "America First", anyone actually putting Israel's interests first would act fairly differently. Funny bit is the Israelis are actually starting to act much more in their own interests, to the point they work with most of the Gulf countries now.

@73 Reformer

Well, then they just have to go back.


@74 Jew613

I've seen the Ashkenazi called the "Khazar Mafia" before. That's probably more accurate than we want to admit.


@80 S. Misanthrope

They play tribal politics always. That's the "rub"; once you understand it, it makes a lot of sense. If you attack enough people that even politely question the situation, it'll wave off "normal" people from questioning it.

That is, until they're ejected from the West in the latter part of the century, as that is clearly going to happen after the internecine wars.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 06, 2017 11:43 AM  

much the discussion here assumes some sort of vast Jewish collective conspiracy.

"Is it good for the Jews?" is, by definition, a conspiracy of like-mindedness.

Blogger James August 06, 2017 11:52 AM  

"That they all swim in the same direction with some nefarious goal. This shows a deep misunderstanding of the Jewish community. "
If by that you mean that Jews were not all in agreeance with Joseph Ben Matthias, aka Flavius Josephus, regarding collaboration with the Romans, you have a good point. Personally, I have no problem with Jews sticking together. I think the problem with Jews is they are mad with hatred of Christ and Christians, a hatred which they can hardly contain, and which exists because God has allowed it to fulfill his greater long term purposes. God will graft them back in to His Tree eventually, though.

Blogger tuberman August 06, 2017 11:55 AM  

Yeah, that absurd pipsqueak, who is going to screen capture all of this and report everyone here to SPLC, ADL, and FBI for the horrible crime of discussing Jewish IQs, well that says it all about typical (not always, but very typical) Jewish reaction to even the mildest discussions of Jewish tribal tendencies.

OpenID purpletigerbot August 06, 2017 12:00 PM  

76. praetorian

"I find myself at times hoping for a Chinese takeover of the core US institutions."

Except The Chinese are arrogant, vicious, and sadistic beyond belief. All other cultures are just one level or another of animals to them.

Agree. Extremely naive to think being ruled by Chinese would be beneficial for whites in any way.

Blogger Rabbi B August 06, 2017 12:08 PM  

Reformer wrote:"So, what would be a proper understanding?"

See #22 comment to begin with. But also, much the discussion here assumes some sort of vast Jewish collective conspiracy. That they all swim in the same direction with some nefarious goal. This shows a deep misunderstanding of the Jewish community.


Simply observing that a number of Jews in prominent positions from entertainment to politics to economics have used their influence for ill rather than for good, does not mean we have to posit a "vast Jewish collective conspiracy." The behavior of even a few in the group is going to reflect on the group as a whole, and if the behavior happens to be negative and significantly influential, even more so. It is what it is.

Even the prophet Isaiah recognized this when he declared that all day long His Name was blasphemed among the nations on account of our behavior. (cf. Isaiah 52)

If there is a Jewish conspiracy which bodes ill for the Jew and the non-Jew, it that we have collectively conspired against Hashem, His Torah and our true calling as Jews in this world. The Scriptures have made it clear that the Jews would be influential in this world and throughout history ever since the tents of Shem were mentioned.

The JQ turns on how we would wield that influence, whether for good or for ill. Either way, the world is going to take notice and act accordingly. Just imagine what the world would look like if every Jew concentrated on living up to his true calling in this world ...it is written somewhere by someone that this would mean "life from the dead."

Anonymous Rocklea August 06, 2017 12:10 PM  

"Quick question to VD or any others who know more about this, but what about the breakdown in differences? If (for example) Ashkenazi Jews score much higher in linguistic skills than white Europeans, might that explain their predominance in (say) the media and such? There'd presumably be substandard performance in Ashkenazi Jews in some other part of IQ (eg spatial reasoning) to offset this."

As an out group being verbally adept is a survival strategy. Subconscious I would imagine. Your survival would depend on group acceptance, so not actually being a part of the group, a good way to achieve this is through mastering the language, then nepotism. Once achieved, if you are noticed, condemn those doing the noticing and extol the virtues of tolerance and liberal secular democracy.

An example of this at work is Evolutionary Psychologist in consumer behaviour, Gad Saad. He's Jewish refugee from Lebanon, now living in Canada. You can find his work on Youtube, I highly recommend it. He's highly critical of unfettered mass Islamic immigration into Canada, rational self interest. In his research he uses nomological cumulative evidence, where one uses multiple data sources to prove for example, the male preference for a 0.7 hip to waist ratio of females, where the data sources could be visual, haptic, historical, medical, geographic, cross-cultural etc. He is also done a similar study on Islam showing it to not be a religion of peace. Even though atheist, barely a show goes by without him mentioning his Jewish identity and a large percentage of his guest are of the tribe. The defence mechanism comes in whenever he talks on Islam, he will say that all are welcome as long as you adopt our Liberal Secular Values. Because if we didn't embrace "our" Liberal Secular Values, where would that leave him and the tribe. I like Gad's work, I do wish he would do a nomological cumulative evidence based study on Liberal Secular societies and their longevity though.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 06, 2017 12:13 PM  

@ VD, is not the breakdown of "the coalition of the fringes" prima facie evidence your position is supported?

The Democrat party is doomed by the infighting only just begun between the invariably low-trust factions that previously cooperated in guilt-looting productive Americans.

The architects of this "program" look a lot like their brethren, active with the Bolsheviks, on whom Stalin eventually turned.

Blogger Daniel August 06, 2017 12:14 PM  

I never gotvwhat the deal was with jews.... Never understood the hate.... Until i had to work in a project and client it manager was jew. End up hating his gut. The subtle and no so subtle ways to making what looks like fair trades into their advantage were disgusting and infuriating. Luckily he was fired although not soon enough

Blogger Daniel August 06, 2017 12:17 PM  

Add zero empathy

Anonymous Jay Queue August 06, 2017 12:17 PM  

Jewish threads are the best threads, aren't they folks?

Kudos to VD for going where almost everyone else is afraid to go, and tackling the tough (((questions))).

Anonymous Panzer Man August 06, 2017 12:20 PM  

Reformer wrote:"So, what would be a proper understanding?"

See #22 comment to begin with. But also, much the discussion here assumes some sort of vast Jewish collective conspiracy. That they all swim in the same direction with some nefarious goal. This shows a deep misunderstanding of the Jewish community.


"Reformer," all your comments are variants on "The Goyim know! Shut it down!" and "Go back to sleep, Goyim, nothin' to see here, already!"

It's kind of amusing, actually.

Blogger Daniel August 06, 2017 12:20 PM  

Too lazy to retype in phone, scroll down to my experience

Blogger Student in Blue August 06, 2017 12:29 PM  

@65. Patron
Quick question to VD or any others who know more about this, but what about the breakdown in differences?

That's basically Sargon's argument. Even if they're better in slightly different ways, Jews are a very low minority in the US, yet are very overrepresented in higher echelons. So much overrepresented from population % that if it could only be explained by skill, whether linguistics skill or just straight IQ, then Jews in the US should be far far higher than an IQ of 115.

And they're not just overrepresented in media, so it's not likely that it's just "linguistic IQ".

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 12:29 PM  

"You cannot answer the question of what a proper understanding is by repeating what it is not."

If one wants to understand the Jewish community, you look at what Jews tend to regularly do. And those things are undoubtedly the things I mentioned. And no one is disputing this, particularly those who have spent time within or around jews.

I don't think you have much experience with jews, but I can't be sure. You weren't clear what your experience was. That's fine.

I've read enough comments by now from you and others to appreciate that there are conclusions being drawn from a simple misunderstandings of the jewish culture and community.

This is not uncommon.

Unless you want to be more honest about your queries and responses, I'm finished here.

Anonymous Koanic August 06, 2017 12:31 PM  

> Jews aren't bad people. They simply operate with their own rulebook, as do all distinct nations.

I disagree. "Let your yes be yes, and your no no. Anything else is of the Devil."

"Ye are of your father the Devil. He was a liar from the beginning."

A propensity to lie and reneg is genetically Satanic.

Anonymous Jeff August 06, 2017 12:31 PM  

(((Neo-Babelists)))

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 06, 2017 12:36 PM  

If one wants to understand the Jewish community, you look at what Jews tend to regularly do.

It is precisely the observation of what Jews tend to regularly do that has gotten Jews in so much hot water over the ages.

This, of course, cannot even be considered by most Jews since such an introspection is assumed to run counter to that which is *drum roll* good for the Jews.

You have to go back.

Blogger Rabbi B August 06, 2017 12:38 PM  

@105 Reformer

I've read enough comments by now from you and others to appreciate that there are conclusions being drawn from a simple misunderstandings of the jewish culture and community.

No. There are conclusions being drawn from simple observation. You have yet to seriously reflect on many of the serious comments here, most especially VD's. And many of your comments only serve to further strengthen the comments which you find so offensive.

Pro tip: begin by dropping the "not all Jews are like that" argument and all its variations on the theme.

Unless you want to be more honest about your queries and responses, I'm finished here.

Apparently someone's (((queries and responses))) are more equal than others. Go ahead, take your bagel and go home. Nobody here will miss you.

Blogger Michael Maier August 06, 2017 12:43 PM  

"simple misunderstandings of the jewish culture and community."

One would think such a massively-intelligent culture would have better ambassadors...

At least such that EVERY society in the world that deals with them doesn't end up hating their guts, sometimes to the point of exterminating them.

Blogger rcocean August 06, 2017 12:48 PM  

Jewish success vs. Gentile is quite easy to explain. First 50 high-IQ who work together as team are going to 500 high-IQ people who work individually. Second, high IQ who's primary focus is money making or political power are going to have impact than high IQ people who go into the military, the arts, the police, the priesthood, etc, or who just don't care about power or money.

Blogger NO GOOGLES August 06, 2017 12:50 PM  

@81
Sargon's grasp and argumentative ability when it comes to religion is very limited. Basically just the standard "skeptic" of going for the lowest hanging fruit instead of real, difficult religious questions like the problem of evil. Instead, skeptics break their arms patting themselves on the back attacking things like "the Earth is 6000 years old" or "bananas are perfectly designed food, therefore God is real".

Of pretty much any of the topics that Sargon and Vox could debate, religion would be the least entertaining, IMO. It would likely end up with Sargon just admitting he's not familiar with most of the 2000 years of Christian philosophy and apologia even though that is directly what he should be starting with if he is trying to disprove Christianity. It's a common mistake of most "skeptics" to think that going after the most ridiculous excesses of Protestants is somehow a refutation of Christianity in general.

I'd be much more hyped to watch Vox talk about the alt-right to Sargon, as Sargon basically has accepted the legacy media's "it's all nazis and KKK members" definition of it.

Blogger rcocean August 06, 2017 12:52 PM  

A good contrast of Gentile vs Jew is Sessions vs. Franken. Al Franken just wants to win, period. Sessions meanwhile is a Southern Gentlemen. He'd rather lose than violate the "traditions" of the Senate or behave unethically according to Rule 156(J) of the DoJ Policy no. 45B.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 06, 2017 1:04 PM  

Ultimately it's all f'ing irrelevant. If you're going to look after your people you need to keep these kind of dishonest, manipulative, scheming, all too often degenerate (((people))) out of your country. Whether you're European, Asian, African or whatevah. They need their own country and they have to go there. The other solution is rather unsavory.

Blogger Shimshon August 06, 2017 1:05 PM  

I don't agree with all of Vox's assessment, but the gentile perspective of the JQ has been eye opening to say the least. I believe I can speak for Jews in general when I say the vast majority of us were (and are) clueless. Even for those who should know better.

In our exile, we were enjoined to be circumspect and keep a low profile among our hosts. That has been likely been more the exception than the rule, especially since emancipation took hold in the 19th century in Western Europe.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 06, 2017 1:11 PM  

The architects of this "program" look a lot like their brethren, active with the Bolsheviks, on whom Stalin eventually turned.

Good point. No doubt one of the reasons 200 Years Together is basically censored from (((mainstream))) channels, as the book paints them in an honest light rather than being suitably worshipful. MacDonald has a good translation up on TOO now, for free. It's also one of the reasons "Stalin" (who was not a Russian at all) is still admired by Russians to this day. He out-gangstered the (((gang))), offed their capo (((Trotsky))) and basically broke their control of the USSR - instituting a type of civic-nationalism there starting in WW II, which is why Neo-Connery came about. It's also one of the reasons they're hell-bent on starting a War with Russia even now.

Blogger Hunsdon August 06, 2017 1:15 PM  

I had a bizarre thought the other day, assuming arguendo KMac's evolutionary strategy point of view.

Could going too far, and getting kicked out, actually be a quasi-necessary way for the Jews (in this case) to remain a separate, ongoing viable entity?

You wander, a people without a land, until you make a beachhead somewhere, rise to prominence, become powerful/wealthy/influential . . . and the goy start to intermarry, and if you stay long enough, you know you'll end up assimilated . . . so you end up going to far, getting kicked out again, and wandering some more.

If you stay too long, you end up getting absorbed. (Look at Chinese history and foreign dynasties as an illustration.)

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 06, 2017 1:17 PM  

tuberman wrote:The biggest factor in the Jewish doing well in America, is the constant playing of the "victim card," holocaust and so forth, including the using of it for other "minorities" to have allies against Whites.

Yes indeed. They quickly learned our vulnerability and went right to work exploiting it.

And related, the tale of the scorpion and the frog comes to mind.

Blogger John Williams August 06, 2017 1:19 PM  

@ JusticeLeague, We don't care

Blogger justaguy August 06, 2017 1:19 PM  

I seem to remember that Thomas Sowell wrote several books concerning a thesis about minority communities in larger cultures and attempted to explain these minority successes in terms of cultural capital. As I remember the books, Race and Culture, Migration and Culture, and Race and Culture , all seemed to be built around the same theme/idea and used different data and views to support it. I read then in the late 1990s, so my thoughts on their completeness might be a bit off.

How does the VD thesis compare with the “established right-wing academic” thesis? Sowell addressed disapproval by the larger societies against the minorities. Do we need the VD part of “takes advantage of larger society” in order to explain the advantages? Meaning if Sowell is right, why add on to his thesis?

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 06, 2017 1:25 PM  

They need their own country and they have to go there.

They actually have their own country, which seems to have a larger percentile of sane members of the tribe, but many absolutely refuse to leave and go live there. Instead they are busy strip-mining the assets of other countries, in collusion with treasonous criminal elites. The Judeo-Christ's feet are made of clay and more of the goyim are waking up to the racketeering and scam operations every passing day.

Anonymous Anonymous August 06, 2017 1:38 PM  

The only actual study (not estimate) with a large Ashkenazi Jew sample (+1000 from NY) was from Backman in 1972.

Results:
91.3 for Spatial Reasoning
95.1 for Abstract Reasoning
107.8 for Verbal
109.7 for Mathematical

Average IQ for Ashkenazi Jews in United States is 100 according to the Backman series of tests.

Hyper-ethnocentric behavior is the reason for their (((success))).


Blogger VD August 06, 2017 1:42 PM  

Interesting. That gap between Abstract Reasoning and Verbal is probably why they are so inept at debate. It would also explain why they play so many meaningless word games that suffice to confuse those who can't see right through them.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 06, 2017 1:44 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:They actually have their own country

Yeah, I know. I was stating that as counter to those who say otherwise.

Anonymous pierremenard128 August 06, 2017 1:52 PM  

> the majority of the Jewish population of Israel has an average IQ of only 83.7, which is TWO standard deviations lower, and is also lower than the average IQs of Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, as well as Nigeria, Uganda, and the Israeli-Arab population.

> Does that strike you as likely? No, me neither.

Two problems with this analysis.

1. Non-Ashkenazi Jewish IQ being comparable to Arab IQ is actually not at all surprising.

2. Ashkenazi IQ in Israel is lower than Ashkenazi IQ in the US due to interbreeding among the various Israeli ethnic groups. So the assumption of 115 for Israeli Ashkenazi IQ is too high.

Richard Lynn discusses these factors at length in his book "The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achivement."

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira August 06, 2017 2:49 PM  

>Cut baby dicks
>High IQ
NOT LIKELY

Blogger YIH August 06, 2017 2:55 PM  

@32 VD
An individual with zero work experience of any kind and zero related education being given a million-dollar budget to develop a computer game.
I don't doubt you. I just find it surprising considering I've never heard Little Benny mention games, developing programs or for that matter, computers at all.
That broke the ludicrous barrier. A mil to develop a game? I couldn't even picture him shoving a cartridge into a console and getting past the first level of a game.

Anonymous Monster Hunter Inc. August 06, 2017 3:09 PM  

It is easier for gentiles to blame a "Jewish conspiracy" than to blame themselves. Nobody goes to churches anymore and somehow it is the Jews fault. Gentiles overwhelmingly watch pornography and it is the Jews fault. Gentiles go into massive debt and then blame "Jewish usury." Gentiles blame Jews for being a success, but then choose to not study hard, work hard or take care of their families. It is the Jews' fault a majority gentiles are lazy, apparently.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab August 06, 2017 3:13 PM  

"Perhaps" is a lawyer tell

Blogger Elocutioner August 06, 2017 3:16 PM  

@127 YIH - I believe Vox meant that was a second person.

Blogger YIH August 06, 2017 3:16 PM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:jewish success is due to

1) working hard.

2) ambition.

3) specialisation.

4) ethnic nepotism.

This is the same recipe many dominant minorities use.

The problem is that modern Jews are less hard working and less driven than their ancestors. They are more and more getting by on the inertia of past generations. By the end the century Jewish power will be shattered everywhere.


See (((Hollywood))); remake after remake after comic book movie after reboot after sequel after sequel...

Blogger Rez Zircon August 06, 2017 3:18 PM  

From Israel's stats I reach a different conclusion: that most of the higher-IQ Jews have better sense than to move to a tiny cultural island in the middle of a seething lake of hostile fire.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 06, 2017 3:24 PM  

@128
It is easier for gentiles to blame a "Jewish conspiracy" than to blame themselves.

The 1980's called, your rhetoric has to go back.

Blogger Duh-ave August 06, 2017 3:27 PM  

There is a theory that an average chess player would be the world champion if, once per game, he where able to make two moves at once. If one 'cheat per game' has that much power it is no wonder that cheaters dominate. How many of these (((jews))) are really Hivites or Synagogue of Satan?

Anonymous VFM #6306 August 06, 2017 3:28 PM  

The dev and shapiro are two different jews.

Or, if you prefer (((jew))) different (((jews))).

Jewish favoritism is quite obvious.

If you know a jew, you know a "poor jew done good" to a preposterous degree.

Einstein is the obvious one. An extroverted womanizing celebrity who couldn't hack basic schoolwork comes up with an uncited paper that plagiarizes previous work in relativity? Goyim, please.

Blogger Joe Katzman August 06, 2017 3:46 PM  

Vox: "Given intermarriage and low birth rates, Jews will barely exist as a distinct genetic population in the USA within 3-5 generations, with the exception of the orthodox. I haven't run the numbers..."

The numbers are bleak. Keep in mind that non-Orthodox birthrates start at below replacement level to begin with:

"[The Pew Center's 2013 study of the Jewish community] found that 71% of non-Orthodox U.S. Jews were intermarried, two thirds of U.S. Jews didn’t belong to a synagogue, and one third of American Jews had a Christmas tree in the home.... only about a third of American Jews say they believe in God; fewer than a quarter of American Jews feel that following Jewish law is essential to being Jewish; under 40% of households belong to a synagogue; and only about half of American Jews fast on Yom Kippur. Outside of the Orthodox community, the rates of Jews who say that being Jewish is important to them is at rock-bottom levels. Among unaffiliated Jews, fewer than a quarter, or 22%, report feeling that Judaism is important in their lives."

So, below-replacement plus 71% intermarriage. As you might guess from the article title, Muslims in America don't have these particular problems. http://www.aish.com/jw/s/What-American-Jews-Can-Learn-from-the-Muslim-Community.html

Equally interesting, Israel does NOT have this problem:

https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2013/02/28/israel-demographic-miracle/

The really Orthodox are widely disliked there, but their presence is exerting a gravitational pull of sorts on Jewish observance, and it's translating into above-replacement (2.6) fertility among the non-Orthodox as well.

What was that thing about "cherish your extremists?"

Blogger Avalanche August 06, 2017 4:16 PM  

@86 "That they all swim in the same direction with some nefarious goal. This shows a deep misunderstanding of the Jewish community."

So, they all swim in the same direction with some positive goal?! NOT a positive goal for my people! That the scorpion always stings the frog does means the frog should mistrust all scorpions!

Anonymous Submitted Without Comment August 06, 2017 4:24 PM  

http://www.vdare.com/posts/haaretz-the-swiss-alps-seem-quaint-until-you-learn-the-truth-about-their-residents

Blogger Some Guy August 06, 2017 4:24 PM  

Vox

Real question. The average American IQ of 95. Is that Caucasian or does that include black, Hispanic, and every other nation in the mix? It's just a question of nomenclature as I know how you usually use the term.

Anonymous Reformer August 06, 2017 4:43 PM  

"Instead they are busy strip-mining the assets of other countries,"

How? How is the average American Jew "stripmining" American assets?

Blogger VD August 06, 2017 5:12 PM  

The average American IQ of 95. Is that Caucasian or does that include black, Hispanic, and every other nation in the mix?

Average US citizen, would be the more accurate description.

Blogger James August 06, 2017 5:15 PM  

"Gentiles blame Jews for being a success, but then choose to not study hard, work hard or take care of their families. It is the Jews' fault a majority gentiles are lazy, apparently." Why is it that when white gentiles say all that about black gentiles, it's racist, but when Jews say that about white gentiles, it's just the obvious truth? Do Jews allow such a question to be asked?

Blogger Buybuydandavis August 06, 2017 5:38 PM  

VD wrote: They simply operate with their own rulebook, as do all distinct nations. That rulebook is more in conflict with some societies (N. Europe, N. America), considerably less with others (China, Africa, Arab, S. America)

Anyone have references to empirical literature on the different rule books?

Anonymous Rip August 06, 2017 6:00 PM  

Sargon is right, the jews ARE better than whites. They are better at nepotism.

Blogger Joe Katzman August 06, 2017 6:23 PM  

@121: "Instead they are busy strip-mining the assets of other countries, in collusion with treasonous criminal elites."

Strip-mining assets seems to be the overarching theme of modern society, at every level and in a myriad of ways.

Meanwhile, I'm coming to the conclusion that there's no way for a minority like the Jews (which is to say a nation within another, with some level of prominence/ achievement, and without being in a geographic ethnic enclave like the Basques) to do anything but lose over the long term. Amy "Tiger Mom" Chua wrote "World on Fire" about economically dominant minorities around the world, but let's broaden and simplify for a sec:

All societies have elites and masses, and history says they'll eventually come into conflict. If you make yourself the masses’ friend, at some point soon the elites see you as a threat. Unless your political class at the time is brilliant (UPCTB), they incite the masses against you, and repress you. Alternatively, you can be prominent within the formal and informal power structures. That works well unless their repression of the masses creates problems, and then whom do the masses see as the elites’ hostile foreign overseers? UPCTB, you're screwed. And political classes are rarely ever brilliant.

Playing both sides? Never really works long term. Stay out of it all entirely? I think we can see from modern trends that people who would rather stay out of things may not get that choice, if the larger society's political class fails.

There's no long term win here, unless you believe your political class will always be brilliant in the clutch, and society's won't ever fail catastrophically. That's an insane belief. Herzl pretty much got this. Hence Zionism.

If you want to avoid the problems that come with being a distinct nation within a larger entity, and you don't have a small geographic area that's ethnically yours, it’s a very fine line:

1. Your society has to be socially (not necessarily materially) egalitarian.
2. It has to have optimism for the future.
3. And the core nation/people needs to have a solid grip on things so they’re confident.

America had these things, in ways that made it a unique experiment. Result: golden age for Judaism. All 3 of those requirements have been disappearing in America for decades, with the full support and often the open encouragement of our Jewish community "leaders."

Jewish IQ is probably pretty good in America, above the Ashkenaz of Israel. And strength in verbal/math will go a long way in key fields, especially if it's coupled to community norms that tend to keep people geographically concentrated and tied to tight social networks. Which Judaism has long developed, and indeed would have disappeared without developing. The Alt-Right is going to have to develop a number of similar norms to survive similar pressures, and indeed is already doing so.

But disarming and dismantling similar networks among America's WASPs, without a parallel anti-parochial campaign by the Jewish community to reward a high-trust and now-friendly society, was a classic strip-mining move. Temporary benefit, but long-term the Jewish community is now breaking the new rules by its nature, and must eventually revive deadly stereotypes.

The fact that when Jews were given a country to run, its politics are about as together as Italy's... you know, there's probably a clue in there about strengths and weaknesses.

Anonymous BBGKB August 06, 2017 6:46 PM  

Bee sting kits going from $10 each when I was an EMT to over $700 each is an example of Jewishness. The remaining manufacturer of bee sting kits still with the same $2 of medicine but the CEO's dad is a jew senator. Former competitors claimed sabotage & lawfare. If you hire a jew they might sabotage your business so it's cheaper for a bigger jew to buy.

This is not the 1970s. There are many reasons why the US gives, and Israel accepts, aid. Actual need has not been among them for years

Pizzagate videos is a worse reason than "actual need"

Blogger Buybuydandavis August 06, 2017 6:49 PM  

VD: Your metric is incorrect, Sargon. First, there are 48 high-IQ Han, 11 high-IQ Europeans, and 5 high-IQ Japanese for every high-IQ Jew.
...
VD: Obviously. But you cannot claim they are not overrepresented in X because intelligent when there are 64 more intelligent non-Jews per Jew.

This is dependent on what IQ threshold you're using for "high-IQ" (what IQ was that?), and what distribution you're using for IQ, and whether you're using the *same* distribution for the different populations.

Far out on the tails (higher IQ threshold), with the same distribution for all populations, with just shifted averages, the population with higher average eventually overcomes population prevalence.

But if one distribution has fatter tails than the other, it will dominate at high enough IQ.

I have vague recollections of reports that the distribution for men has fatter tails than that for women, and that for whites has fatter tails than for Asians.

The tail characteristics matter.

Something else that matters, and maybe the most. Ethnicities vary geographically as well.

New York is the 2nd largest Jewish population in the world, and LA 5th.

If you're talking Hollywood, the statistical over representation in the population in LA would contribute to the over representation in jobs in Hollywood relative to broader geographic population statistics.

One should apply the same rigor to claims of Jewish bias that one applies to claims of white bias.

Blogger Stilicho August 06, 2017 7:50 PM  

Vox, you've long been guilty of Noticing, but now you've gone and committed second order Noticing (whereby you Notice something that destroys the fall back defense to first order Noticing). Have you no shame, sir?

Blogger Stilicho August 06, 2017 8:29 PM  

Creation of the ashkenazi via jewish slave girls and their Roman owners after the jewish rebellion c. 70 AD is just another sin to lay at the feet of Rome. Call it Nero's Revenge.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit August 06, 2017 8:42 PM  

Why it's almost as if cultural capital were a more critical determining factor than I.Q.

Fancy that

Blogger dfordoom August 06, 2017 9:02 PM  

@17. VD

Given intermarriage and low birth rates, Jews will barely exist as a distinct genetic population in the USA within 3-5 generations, with the exception of the orthodox.

I think that's the factor that drives Jewish craziness in the US. The fear that they're not going to survive as a distinct group. Most of them have abandoned their religion, their traditions and their culture. That's why they push the Holocaust thing so hard. It's the only thing that gives them an identity. But it won't be enough.

They're haunted by the nightmare that American Jewry will end up as a tiny tiny minority made up almost entirely of Orthodox Jews.

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 06, 2017 9:07 PM  

Stilicho wrote:
Vox, you've long been guilty of Noticing, but now you've gone and committed second order Noticing (whereby you Notice something that destroys the fall back defense to first order Noticing). Have you no shame, sir?

That's how you earn the Hitler 'stache, which is much better than Medved's gay moustachio from 1970s. (Longtime readers will appreciate this reference). VD is going to be on the ADL/$PLC/ACLU's Hitler du-jour list up there with the God-Emperor himself.

Blogger dfordoom August 06, 2017 9:18 PM  

@74. Jew613

I'm aware that this is strictly my personnel experience but in Israel the Sephardim as a group have a lot more common sense then Ashkenazim. With rare exceptions you just don't see the goofy leftist ideas among sefardim like you do some Ashkenazim.

High IQ does not guarantee survival. High IQ people are much more likely to believe stupid things. The most foolish people on the planet are high IQ intellectuals. High IQ people are also much more given to self-destructive (and societally destructive) behaviour.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 06, 2017 9:25 PM  

@149 Stilicho
Creation of the ashkenazi via jewish slave girls and their Roman owners after the jewish rebellion c. 70 AD is a figment of your imagination. The exact opposite of what the mtDNA clearly says.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 06, 2017 9:41 PM  

@149
Creation of the ashkenazi via jewish slave girls and their Roman owners after the jewish rebellion c. 70 AD is not what the mtDNA tells us actually happened.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 06, 2017 10:12 PM  

Kind of strange that the Parsees, despite being a quite successful "middleman minority" in India, don't seem to have attracted much in the way of "anti-Parseeism" or "conspiracy theories" targeting them, isn't it? I wonder why that is?

@32 VD
"Wildly disproportionate acceptance of inferior students at elite universities where the admissions offices are controlled."
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/
(Of course)
Also, while Elena Kagan was Dean of Harvard Law, well over half of the professors she hired were members of the Tribe (2% of the population). Hard to explain that one as anything but extreme in-group preference.

@123 VD
"Interesting. That gap between Abstract Reasoning and Verbal is probably why they are so inept at debate. It would also explain why they play so many meaningless word games that suffice to confuse those who can't see right through them."

There does seem to be a rather strong dislike for analogies/ parables, as well. Weren't analogies taken off the SAT a while back?

And the gap between visuospatial and verbal reasoning explains (among other things) Tom Wolfe's view of modern art in "The Painted Word": that the art itself has become essentially meaningless; that it has been replaced by literature in the former of art criticism.

@55 Al From Bay Shore
"@42 Justice League, I know I missed the early commenting but could include me in your report too? I know that I am one of the few Black folks who comments here (maybe the only one) but you can tell the ADL, SPLC, and the FBI that I am a supporter of Farrakhan"

Maybe a reference to "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" would help to get you on the list?

Blogger Lazarus August 06, 2017 10:29 PM  

YIH wrote:I don't doubt you. I just find it surprising considering I've never heard Little Benny mention games, developing programs or for that matter, computers at all.
He is refering to a different event. 4 individual examples.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 07, 2017 12:16 AM  

28. Cail Corishev August 06, 2017 9:54 AM
But if he's virtue-signaling by taking shots at the Alt-Right because SJWs have accused him of being one of us, that's sad.



Sargon has always been extremely anti-Fash and preaches most of the Equalitarian, Universal Democracy and Blank Slate shibboleths himself.

he's only on "our" side because he tries to apply those principles with impartiality ... and the Hard Left is so far gone that many are openly declaiming for White Genocide. he sees the hypocrisy in that.

if this were the 1970s, Sargon would likely have never even appeared to be on our side.


29. BlowMe August 06, 2017 9:56 AM
I must not be looking hard enough. Heh.



i'm pretty sure Sargon has never given over much thought to the question of WHY this purported Ashkenazi 'master race' metric should exist or be persistent.

that would require the acknowledgment of HBD.

which would require the further acknowledgment that Hitler ... may have been correct in some of his eugenic Rhetoric.



32. VD August 06, 2017 10:11 AM
Here are four examples, from small to large.



the Beastie Boys were never better than middling fair rappers / crossover rockers.

they haven't done anything of 'significance' rockwise since 1999s 'Intergalactic'.

yet they still get regular airplay on modern hard rock stations all across the country. i hear them on cross country road trips all the time.

what could explain this bizarre airtime playlist decision making by thousands upon thousands of supposedly independent station managers? to play what would, at best, be Classic Hard Rock ( 20 years old for everything off of Licensed to Ill )?

well, the Beasties are Jewish.

it seems that Eminem, who is FAR and away more talented than all three of the Beasties put together, made a significant error in not insuring that at least one of his parents belong to the Tribe.

because i hardly ever hear anything from him anymore.

Anonymous namae nanka August 07, 2017 1:13 AM  

Ashkenazi verbal IQ is higher than what their performance IQ would suggest(from the Jewish intelligence paper of Cochran and Harpending) and it's likely that verbal IQ is pretty amenable to change based on what you read.

"Between 1963 and 1979 SAT-verbal scores declined 50 points. This is often attributed to change in the demographics of test-takers, a much broader segment of the population now takes the SAT tests. However, Cornell University researchers Donald P. Hayes, Loreen T. Wolfer and Michael F. Wolfe point out inconsistencies in that explanation, and suggest that simplification of school textbooks lies behind the decline in student’s reading comprehension and verbal achievement."


http://www.ernweb.com/educational-research-articles/the-decline-in-sat-verbal-scores/

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 07, 2017 1:37 AM  

Don't worry, the so-called "Skeptics" have just claimed victory over SJWs (just them on their own mind you, no one else - like Britain claiming to have beaten Hitler without US and Soviet help). In their swollen-ego buffoonery they have chosen the alt-right as their next target.

Good luck too them. They have beaten a bunch of panty-wringing, mentally unstable, queers by laughing at them on YouTube. They are now turning their sights on a reality-based people who spend hours in the library and in the gym and are prepared to go in the streets and fight it out - fat neck-beards unite; you have nothing to lose but your dignity and your patreon pity-bucks.

I'll just sit back and watch as they make total arses of themselves like their neckbeard-messiah "Thuderfoot" did over Brexit and Trump or those obese, stoner clowns who stick stuff up their backside for fun and profit, the aptly named "Drunken Peasants".

Alt-right is what happens when you accept reality and decide to do something about it. It's hard to label yourself a skeptic when your arguments rely on denying reality and science.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 07, 2017 1:45 AM  

Joe A. wrote:Average IQ of 95 in the US? Unsurprising but disheartening...

Francostan lost nearly 4 IQ points between 1999 to 2008–9. First demonstration of a reverse Flynn affect [REF]. That was almost a decade ago. Nothing has improved since then so I can't even begin to imagine where we are now :(.

Anonymous Shut up rabbit August 07, 2017 1:55 AM  

@40. Reformer

Thanks for proving Vox's point now please go somewhere where your hasbara doesn't stand out like an over-large proboscis with an oozing pimple on the end.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 07, 2017 1:58 AM  

86. Reformer August 06, 2017 11:36 AM
This shows a deep misunderstanding of the Jewish community.



how about this understanding of Jewry?

the book of Jonah is a picture of the Jewish relationship between God and the Goyish world.

God demands of you that you witness to the Goyish nations, just as He so instructed Jonah.

Jonah so hated the Goyim that he would have preferred to die rather than risk that they would repent.


15. Shimshon August 06, 2017 9:33 AM
Israel has just lost export revenues worth two years of US aid. Thank God for US aid to Israel!



and how much US tech was used in development of the Israeli AM weapons? if we're giving you funding for something WE ALREADY KNOW HOW TO DO, it seems rather likely that we would have shared some of our existing tech and studies with you.



128. Monster Hunter Inc. August 06, 2017 3:09 PM
It is the Jews' fault a majority gentiles are lazy, apparently.


a majority of gentiles are "lazy"? we built the US into the power house and industrial super power of the world and we're ... "lazy"?

a - you're Racist

b - you obviously agree with our Jewish masters ( such as Bret Stephens and Bill Kristol )

https://2m2l2d2d.blogspot.com/2017/02/neo-con-jew-bill-kristol-declares-war.html

Blogger S. Misanthrope August 07, 2017 2:30 AM  

It was astonishing to see the difference between Asians in high school and Asians at university. High school: Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese all best friends. University: sorry, you can't sit here, this table is for Singaporeans only. Near total segregation by country of origin from week 1.

Anonymous Unhappy psycholiogist August 07, 2017 3:31 AM  

Sorry, VOX. After living several years in Israel as a consulting educational psychologist who did IQ tests, I can safely say most of them are dishonest, dumb religious or communist fanatics who could and often do screw up a cup of black coffee. Much like those in the US. Much like what many say among themselves when they think they're 'entre nous.'

There is a very smart contingent who get headlines, but in my experience the claim that Jews or Asians (spent years in Asia as well) are smarter than US Whites is hidden far-left propaganda.

IQ-wise, Western and especially Britannic (North UK, North Spain, North France/Dutch) US Whites rule.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 07, 2017 3:34 AM  

Gen. Kong wrote:Someone on a thread here a couple of weeks ago made a similar one and further offered a theory that all this US aid will evaporate once the oil reserves of Saudi and the region lose their strategic importance.
The Saudis lose their economic and political clout at the same time.  The whole region become irrelevant to us, and powerless against Israel.

Do you finally understand the political and globo-economic dimension of why I (a) oppose fossil fuels in general and (b) promote nuclear energy?  Among other things, it's good for the goyim.

Anonymous Really unhappy psychologist. August 07, 2017 3:47 AM  

"The Ashkenazi/white European IQ difference is very well documented. "

No, it's BS. As an educational psychologist I've talked my way into seeing the original data on many of these silly and fraudulent studies. They typically misdefine or mismatch populations or methods to get the results they want. Many are as goofy as the FISA tests, comparing e.g. 15 year old Whites to Ashkenazi adults. One used Catell IQ for the Ashkenazi and Binet for the Euros. Some simply define Ashkenazi as any one of them who is professional and ignore those of low education or mental ability.


There may be some effect, but it's overblown and the studies if you see the original data don't support the thesis. Don't underestimate the corruption of science data by the far-left (and far-right). Some of this is coming out in the reverify the data movement, but whatever you fear, in my experience it's worse.

Blogger Dane Prywatne August 07, 2017 4:30 AM  

What was. not necessarily is .. the famous 115 was at some point of time .. and very many minorities immigrants shared that trait (for example polish immigration to US originally had even higher IQ) .. but every generation it gets closer to average 100 as you do not cut from population less intelligent part of your offspring.

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Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 07, 2017 4:38 AM  

Monster Hunter Inc. wrote:It is easier for gentiles to blame a "Jewish conspiracy" than to blame themselves. Nobody goes to churches anymore and somehow it is the Jews fault. Gentiles overwhelmingly watch pornography and it is the Jews fault. Gentiles go into massive debt and then blame "Jewish usury." Gentiles blame Jews for being a success, but then choose to not study hard, work hard or take care of their families. It is the Jews' fault a majority gentiles are lazy, apparently.
It is easier for Jews to blame "anti-Semitism" than to blame themselves. Jews use the primary schools, universities, government and media to officially propagandize and discriminate against Christianity, but it's the Goys' fault their children are driven from the Church. Jews overwhelmingly produce, market and addict Goys to pornography and it is the Goys fault. Jews use government to create massive debt and then blame Gentile greed. Jews openly demand White genocide. Jews blame Goys for not being successful, but then choose to exclude Gentiles from every school, job and business opportunity they can, no matter if they study hard, work hard and take care of their families. It is the Goys fault a majority of Jews are duplicitous, dishonest, and manipulative, apparently.

Blogger Stilicho August 07, 2017 7:11 AM  

@154 Paradigm: what does the DNA say then? I've only read that the DNA shows jewish mothers and Italian father's for the ashkenazi. Which fits with the broad history and matriarchal tests for jewishness.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 07, 2017 9:20 AM  

128. Monster Hunter Inc. August 06, 2017 3:09 PM
It is easier for gentiles to blame a "Jewish conspiracy" than to blame themselves.



how many shekels has Mary Beard accepted to adopt her asinine position?

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-whining-continues.html

how many shekels do you take from Soros to troll here?

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 07, 2017 9:26 AM  

170. Stilicho August 07, 2017 7:11 AM
@154 Paradigm: what does the DNA say then?


that you've either got it entirely backwards ( Hebrew men and Roman women ) or that almost the entire founding stock was Hebrew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Genetics

Blogger Stilicho August 07, 2017 9:36 AM  

Thanks, Bob. Looks like even the Romans didn't want yentas. Ashkenazis decended mostly from 400 families who left Italy for eastern/northern Europe a thousand years ago. Interesting.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( You are Welcome ... to go back to the hell hole you came from ) August 07, 2017 11:56 AM  

173. Stilicho August 07, 2017 9:36 AM
Looks like even the Romans didn't want yentas



most Hebrews don't want yentas. yentas don't want yentas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M-tgHivx6s&t=1m40s

Anonymous Griffe Fan August 07, 2017 12:32 PM  

The inimitable La Griffe du Lion, who was ahead of his time, has addressed Ashkenazi Jewish IQ in several places.

La Griffe cites a 0.84SD gap based on the large datasets of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, and shows that the resulting predictions closely match reality.

Using novel techniques, La Griffe also calculates a gap of 0.92SD–1.02SD above the European mean here and a 1.06SD gap above the Russian mean here. The latter calculation yields an Ashkenazic IQ of 112 (0.8SD above the European mean); using data from the William Lowell Putnam Competition and the Fields Medal, La Griffe further estimates an Ashkenazic "math IQ" of 111.

None of this is inconsistent with an Israeli national IQ of 94, whose economic performance fits in with the pattern of other market economies, as La Griffe shows here and here.
The inimitable La Griffe du Lion, who was ahead of his time, has addressed Ashkenazi Jewish IQ in several places.

La Griffe cites a 0.84SD gap based on the large datasets of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, and shows that the resulting predictions closely match reality.

Using novel techniques, La Griffe also calculates a gap of 0.92SD–1.02SD above the European mean here and a 1.06SD gap above the Russian mean here. The latter calculation yields an Ashkenazic IQ of 112 (0.8SD above the European mean); using data from the William Lowell Putnam Competition and the Fields Medal, La Griffe further estimates an Ashkenazic "math IQ" of 111.

None of this is inconsistent with an Israeli national IQ of 94, whose economic performance fits in with the pattern of other market economies, as La Griffe shows here and here.

Anonymous Griffe Fan August 07, 2017 12:34 PM  

The inimitable La Griffe du Lion, who was ahead of his time, has addressed Ashkenazi Jewish IQ in several places.

La Griffe cites a 0.84SD gap based on the large datasets of the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth, and shows that the resulting predictions closely match reality.

Using novel techniques, La Griffe also calculates a gap of 0.92SD–1.02SD above the European mean here and a 1.06SD gap above the Russian mean here. The latter calculation yields an Ashkenazic IQ of 112 (0.8SD above the European mean); using data from the William Lowell Putnam Competition and the Fields Medal, La Griffe further estimates an Ashkenazic "math IQ" of 111.

None of this is inconsistent with an Israeli national IQ of 94, whose economic performance fits in with the pattern of other market economies, as La Griffe shows here and here.

Blogger nik August 07, 2017 7:49 PM  

What's this, math for racists?

Blogger valiance. August 08, 2017 5:19 AM  

@166 There are other reasons to believe ashkenazi IQ is higher than white european iq e.g. their intellectual preeminence in physics, mathematics, chess etc. I tend to think Vox's numbers are on the low end. To say there is no difference at all is simply mad.

@175 beat me to it, but see la griffe du lion: http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/ashkenaz.htm

Blogger Unknown August 10, 2017 2:02 AM  

Interesting. Perhaps you can discuss in depth some other time, VD, along with Griffe's data and Lynn's data. If Ashkenazim IQ is around 102-109 (maxima 116 as posited by Cochran) then that fits around Vietnamese IQ and some European IQ crunched by the numbers.

Blogger Unknown August 10, 2017 2:08 AM  

@Culture of Critique

""Various spurious reasons are given to account for anti-Semitism, mostly by Jews themselves. These include:

1) “Because Jews are strangers”.

"Xenophobia does exist, but mostly towards strangers who are present in a great number and therefore pose a threat to the indigenous population. Jews are everywhere a small minority, so that cannot be the reason." - Technically, no. Xenophobia is the reaction to any threat posed by a stranger, in small or large numbers. Goats, for example, reacted negatively when one had a black mask put on its face. Xenophobia may have played a part, but it is not the complete underlying reason.

2) “Because Christians consider Jews as Christ killers”.

"A conflict between Christianity and Judaism does exist, but Jews were equally hated in the pre-Christian pagan world, so that cannot be the main reason." - Before the Judeo-Christian split, 'Jews' were considered one people, and the Ashkenazim were not invented yet (that occurred later when Hebrew men married Ukrainian/Slavic women) so hatred against Jews here equally apply to Judaic Jews and proto-Christians.

3) “Because Jews are economically successful”.

"Economical jealousy, especially towards foreign groups does exist, but the recurrent reproach is not economical success but economical dishonesty, especially in the form of usury." - Historically, Jews have not been the only ones to have practiced usury. They did not get this on their own; they got it from the Phoenicians, Semites who were excellent merchants and highly intelligent.

4) “Because Jews are intelligent and excel in the professions.”

"Professional jealousy does exist, but again the reproach is not success but the misuse of influence for harmful purposes." - Every group is guilty of this. If it is indeed most observant among Jews, then one must ask why Aryans, if they are indeed more intelligent than Jews, have continued to be plagued with reservations even when supplied by, say, The Protocols. It cannot all be due to brainwashing alone.

"All in all, a negative attitude towards Jews follows them everywhere they settle and the reproach is always: Jewish misbehavior." - Maybe so. But they haven't been wiped off the map yet - they are achieving that on their own. Jewish men have always been exogamous while Jewish women are eugenicist, and if the IQ gaps are growing and less Jews are giving birth to children, then their lineage will effectively end. Then, you will have to deal with the Phoenician's legacy: the Lebanese, and the Chinese, who will only grow in their economic prowess.

Other commentators have suggested that Jews want to set up shop in China as a new mercantile bank. The Chinese do not like them at all and instead see them as necessary rivals; they are considered the people that can only 'out Jew the Jews'.

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