Vox Popoli: Stupidity is no substitute for strategy

This Darkstream should amuse the Men of the West, who were arguing all along that the Alt-Reich were simply incapable of possessing any utility for defending America or the West. I thought they were extremists, but as it happens, they are nothing more than attention-seekers interested in "bantz" and "triggering the faggits" and "edgy" symbolism rather than actually seeking to win the cultural war.

It's not "counter-signaling" or "punching right" to reject counterproductive morons who stubbornly refuse to learn anything from one failure after another. I stand by every single one of the 16 Points of the Alt-Right. But I have no more time or patience to spare for strategically-deficient cosplayers. Even Andrew Anglin appears to recognize this now.

"Publicly aligning ourselves to an old and extinct political movement is not forward thinking, and it isn’t fresh... NS was a Hitler personality cult, when it comes right down to it."

The Reichtards are Fake Right. Their claim to be the One True Alt-Right is totally laughable, as they are pro-EU, pro-single payer health insurance socialists. Punching them is punching Left.

Hence today's Meme of the Day.

Labels: #AltRight, Darkstream, MPAI

460 Comments:

LurkingPuppy August 14, 2017 11:54 AM: This conclusively proves that Vox is a Russian hacker and his handlers are afraid that Nazis will invade them again next January. The voices in Louise Mensch's head were right.
Gen. Kong August 14, 2017 11:56 AM: Richard Spencer's clueless. You just ignore the dude. No need to fight. Everything about him suggests he's doing it for fame rather than change. Or he could be a fed.

This has crossed my mind more than once. Back in the Inauguration rally where the "Roman salutes" were featured, Cerno pointed out that Spencer had invited (((fake news))) from The Atlantic to attend. It also (later) surfaced that some of the Nazi larpers were Marxoid plants sent in by friends of (((fake news))) like $PLC, et al. This is the action of someone who is either a total clueless media-whore or an enemy agent.

Then we have Spencer's nonsense supporting the continuation of the EUSSR. No nationalist can support such an evil monstrosity. First he supported it, then he (sort of) didn't, now he supports it. Again, this is a sign of someone who is either utterly clueless and only interested in attention from (((fake news))) or a fifth-columnist.
Unknown August 14, 2017 11:57 AM: Aaaaand now the media is using it as a pile on to Trump.

That's an opportunity, if he stands his ground. The main response I'm seeing from normies is, "I don't like Nazis, but why is one murder by a Nazi so much worse than Muslims blowing up crowds or black snipers killing cops?" That's the Left's frame that they're trying to force the president into, and he can gain white supporters and strengthen the ones he already has by refusing it.
Matthew August 14, 2017 11:57 AM: They might as well dress up as the demonic heart-ripping priest from Temple of Doom. Do these imbeciles not realize that Indiana Jones was the hero?
Otto Lamp August 14, 2017 11:57 AM: Horse hockey.

The majority of the alt-right is NOT sympathetic to Nazism. I would be surprised if it was even 1%.
S1AL August 14, 2017 11:59 AM: "I think the desire to unite around Nazi symbols has something to due with the fact that the Nazi's were the last whites to fight explicitly for their ethnicity as such."

Tell that to the Lithuanians and Poles and Czechs who survived Nazism, Communism, or both, and maintained their ethnic identities. Hitler and the Nazis are directly responsible for the deaths of more white people than anyone else in human history, except *maybe* Stalin. If that's your definition of "fighting for (white) ethnicity", you're an idiot. The Nazis were Teutonic supremacists, nothing more. Americans have no part with them.
Unknown August 14, 2017 12:01 PM: Why do people wave the Nazi flag? Because it's the ultimate "F$&@ you!" to the status quo. Being offensive and hostile is the point. These guys are angry, and aren't interested in intellectual discussion. They want to spit in the face of the people hurting them. We aren't offering them that sort of alternative.

True. Societal expectations have degenerated to the point where that's the only uniform offensive enough to get the reaction they want. A leather jacket with skull patches, a motorcycle, maybe some tattoos? You'll look like a 70-year-old retiree in a parade. We live in an age where feminists dress up as giant vaginas without being arrested and committed as they would have been a half-century ago; normal people just look the other way.

Of course, that only applies to the followers (and I sympathize with them as you do). The leaders do claim to have goals and to be following a strategy that will reach them. It's worth noting that the leaders and the followers are very different.

Don't write them off, they don't know any better.

In a better world, a friend or older man could take a young man aside and say, "Look, I know you're going through a rough patch, but you're kind of making an ass of yourself here. Get your shit together." In extreme cases, they could put on the gloves and hash it out that way. (In a really better world, more young men would have a father who wasn't driven out of their lives, so he could do it.)

I don't know how to do that on the Internet. Any criticism online is inherently public, and thus embarrassing and having the potential to backfire. So if a group is being retarded and harming those they're associated with, what can you do except call them out and hope that at least some of them look past the embarrassment and see the message?
S1AL August 14, 2017 12:05 PM: "At the very least, a nation should have a flag. If you hold a pro-America rally and tell people from all 50 states to bring their own flag, how many different flags will there be?"

If they're normal Americans? 1-52, depending on how many identify with their state, and how many Southerners think they're being rebellious. But most will bring the American flag, even if there is another with it. Attacking the Stars and Stripes is the extreme Left's greatest mistake of late. I noticed that was when a lot of people said "alright, this has gone too far."
roo_ster August 14, 2017 12:06 PM: AZFloyd wrote:
"If the alt-right can't figure out a way to channel this justified anger, We are only going to splinter. "

Along with "Don't use Nazi iconogrpahy & suchlike because it is not effective," I think the second take-away from this thread and Charlottesville 2.0 is AZFloyd's snippet I quoted.

Capturing the numbers, anger, and motivation of the Alt-Reich and Alt-Reich sympathetic folks--while ditching the Nazi regalia and rhetoric--is probably more important than wooing the Alt-Lite due to Alt-Reich superiority in numbers and motivation. Also, it is easy to forget that about as many folk who are turned off by Nazi symbolism are turned off by the sodomy-friendly and pedo-tolerance of the Alt-Lite. IOW, the ALt-Lite has its own baggage.
Kyle Searle August 14, 2017 12:07 PM: I think Aeoli Pera makes a fine point in that more mentoring is required. Teaching young men how to control their emotions, instead of letting their emotions control themselves, is a keystone of civilization. You don't have to try and mentor the most disaffected, and you probably shouldn't try it until you've mentored a lot of people, but pick someone in the real world and who is struggling a bit and help them. Start leading conversations in the direction of life and how one finds success. Focusing their angry into productive directions is what we need.

Mentoring is a duty to the West. You don't want to do it? It's too much work? Tough.
Kyle Searle August 14, 2017 12:08 PM: I think Aeoli Pera makes a fine point in that more mentoring is required. Teaching young men how to control their emotions, instead of letting their emotions control themselves, is a keystone of civilization. You don't have to try and mentor the most disaffected, and you probably shouldn't try it until you've mentored a lot of people, but pick someone in the real world and who is struggling a bit and help them. Start leading conversations in the direction of life and how one finds success. Focusing their angry into productive directions is what we need.

Mentoring is a duty to the West. You don't want to do it? It's too much work? Tough.
BBGKB August 14, 2017 12:09 PM: "triggering the faggits" and "edgy" symbolism

If you want to trigger them WHITE LIVES MATTER will do so more than any swastika, because everyone ever caught on camera putting one up was jewish.

If you are going to protest any remaining gay pride rally don't have a sign that says repent, but

3RD WORLD REFUGEES BROUGHT DRUG RESISTANT AIDS TO THE US LAST YEAR
SEAL THE BORDER
THE 80s ARE COMING BACK-reference to aids deaths.

or

IMPORT GAY MOSLEMS GET MORE PULSE SHOOTINGS & GRINDR SERIAL KILLERS LIKE
ALI MOHAMAD BROWN
MOSLEMS BELIEVE KILLING INFIDELS IS ONLY WAY TO ABSOLVE MANY SINS & GET ALL INFIDELS THEY KILL AS SLAVES 4 ETERNITY

Nazis are people who lose to communists. If you want to fight commies, don't be a Nazi.

Pinochet Helicopters away

Did you miss the story about the car show where the General Lee was featured and people protested its very presence?

They are rebooting the Dukes of Hazard with a rainbow flag, electric car & black boss hog
Paradox August 14, 2017 12:11 PM: A swastika made of magic dirt. Nazism was German, has not, and will never be American. The US was one of the countries that defeated Nazism.
American nationalism is Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Robert Lee and Teddy Roosevelt. Apple pie, baseball, and football. American nationalism is not freaking Hitler, and is not even Pinochet.
Giraffe August 14, 2017 12:12 PM: @210 Why does the black guy have to play the bad guy?
Frank Brady August 14, 2017 12:13 PM: @ 47. Paul R

"...

"Pointing this out is what we should be focusing on. The left NEVER punches left. We constantly punch right. Look at the results over time."

Paul, the Nazis were never on the "right". They were National SOCIALISTS. For that matter, the neo-conservatives who have hijacked the Republican Party descended from Trotskyites and are also collectivists. If you are among those trying to understand what has happened to the GOP, the article at http://gatetoliberty.blogspot.com/2013/02/who-killed-republican-party.html is getting old but it might still be helpful.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 12:13 PM: @211

Its not about National Socialism. Its not about the political or economic perscription of Hitler.

Its about the fact that someone stood up and said no to the international communist globalist world order.
Koanic August 14, 2017 12:14 PM: > They might as well dress up as the demonic heart-ripping priest from Temple of Doom.

But they want to be the villain. And MS-13 is already taken.

The black flag is not black because black is beautiful.

I agree though, anyone trying to fly a Nazi flag in a US march is an idiot, like someone flying a Mexican flag, except without the shitload of German nationals to back it up.

As an internet thing though, there are a lot of stupid internet memes that are fun because they're stupid. And if a certain subculture takes them EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY, well that just makes it better.

I assume the point of guys like Murdoch Murdoch normalizing internet Nazism is to completely invert the Boomer normative system. If you're a millennial or younger, it's the new Satanism: sexy, over the top and hilarious, black as night but with a deeper core of innocent goodness and wonder.

Satanism is now for fat Wiccans, inarticulate fat rockstars, and weird guys with lazy eyes who like Baphomet. And murderous senile pedophiles. Nothing shocks anymore but NatSoc, baby!
Anonymous August 14, 2017 12:15 PM: Its very easy to criticize from behind a screen. And Im not advocating for the people waving the flag or saluting.

Its hard to go out and advocate for your people, being subjected to the police, the communists, and the negligent normie.
Ron Winkleheimer August 14, 2017 12:15 PM: Don't use Nazi iconogrpahy & suchlike because it is not effective

I find it amazing that this is something that has to be learned.

Attacking the Stars and Stripes is the extreme Left's greatest mistake of late. I noticed that was when a lot of people said "alright, this has gone too far."

This is not new. Lots of leftists were decrying displaying the flag after 9/11. I agree it was a big mistake. But they just can't help themselves. Remember when Hillary's campaign was busted for having a heap of wadded up US flags laying in a heap on the floor at some campaign event. It was a bit of a mini-scandal because of the disrespect shown. My guess is that nobody on her campaign knew that the US flag shouldn't be treated in such a fashion. To them its just window dressing for the proles. They don't have any emotional attachment to it. They're all way to enlightened for that. If anything, they despise it. They have been taught to despise it.
Brick Hardslab August 14, 2017 12:18 PM: Half of any group in America with Nazi flags and Roman salutes are informants and our outright Fed agents. Associating with them is deeply stupid on many levels.

If they were just doing it to trigger the left the cross or the American flag would do as well.
Gator McCluskey August 14, 2017 12:18 PM: What is it with people wanting to emulate losers? Nazis LOST!! they destroyed Germany in the process. Look at what a bunch of cucks the Germans are now, you can thank the tenets of Narional Socialism for it. And you want to use the symbols of that disaster to inspire White people? I don't think many of you LARPers have thought this through.
S1AL August 14, 2017 12:20 PM: "Its about the fact that someone stood up and said no to the international communist globalist world order."

Bwahahahahaha.

Hitler allied with the Soviets to divide up Eastern Europe, then attacked every capitalist democracy in Europe. He was also allied with the pro-socialist fascist government in Italy, in addition to being pro-socialist himself.

Seriously, your concept of history is based in some alternate universe. The more I read from the swastika-fetishists, the stupider I conclude you must be.
@Where_is_Diocletian August 14, 2017 12:20 PM: Vox I sincerely hope that your position on this will prevail. In our still (barely) functioning democracies the only way to change the political direction of our govts is by capturing the masses. Due to the general disenchantment of the voting public towards the mainstream political class and the saturation of social media this should be easier than it's ever been. The totally unexpected Brexit and Trump results show that cleverly focused online strategies and "good" media can reach posses off patriots.

This is of course all about winning the battle for minds. We are trying to convince the masses that we need to go to the Right more to try and turn our cultures around from the abyss and to do this the last thing anyone needs to see is halfwits waving swastikas and throwing nazi salutes around. This is basically telling the world that the Alt Right is just another manifestation of black hating low intelligence types. It is simply the best way to lose the debate.

Unless the Alt Right weeds out this kind of mongmob it will quickly Peter out and be replaced by something that understands credibility. Anyway none of this will achieve the goal of saving western civilization unless Christianity becomes it's beating heart, hopefully all you guys will soon notice that this is a Spiritual battle and it must be fought with Truth and a deep allegiance to Jess Christ with ALL that that entails.
crushlimbraw August 14, 2017 12:22 PM: @194 - AZFloyd - best rant of the day and nails it!
We have millions of White males who have been crapped on for decades and still are considered neanderthals by the high IQ'ers and every self appointed sanctimonious pundit who selectively decides right from wrong.
In the meantime, we've been giving preferences to real savages or importing them for some Utopian enterprise - and now we expect to reason with the victims?
Who wrote this - "Conflict is the answer. It is the inevitable outcome. It has always been the inevitable outcome of multiethnic empires." - I tend to agree with him.
When the conditions drive men to desperation - they are ripe for every piper that comes along.
Hitler was not created in a vacuum, did not succeed in a vacuum and the conditions which created the present scenario happened under our watch.
Reality is what it is - can we accept it?
Taco Town August 14, 2017 12:23 PM: The problem with that is that winning elections doesn't seem to be changing anything. Trump won, and Brexit won, but not a lot of good has followed either.
Otto Lamp August 14, 2017 12:23 PM: Horse hockey.

The majority of the alt-right is NOT sympathetic to Nazism. I would be surprised if it was even 1%.
VD August 14, 2017 12:26 PM: But if by Alt-Reich you mean people like me, who do not have tattoos who have good jobs and own their own business, with families, ect, but who also do not buy the narrative about Hitler and WW2, well then I just think you are indulging in your blind spot, which I assume stems from the fact that any racial movement would not consider you to be white.

It depends. Are you dumb enough to run around shrieking about Hitler and waving a swastika in public?

I don't care what narrative about WWII you buy. I also don't care what narrative about either of the Roman Social Wars you buy.

Seriously, what sort of narcissist are you? No one except the Holocaust Police gives a quantum of a damn what you think about the events of seven decades ago. What part of YOU WILL NEVER SUCCESSFULLY RECRUIT AMERICANS WITH NAZI SYMBOLOGY is hard to understand?

Idiot wannabe Nazis have been trying, and failing, to do that for 50 years now. Do you really think just one more year will do the trick?
Otto Lamp August 14, 2017 12:27 PM: How would rehashing WWII or Hitler do anything to help us now?

Might as well spend our time arguing whether Easter is a pagan holiday.
VFM #7916 August 14, 2017 12:27 PM: @199

The State commanded all resources in the Reich. They allowed the fiction of private property to exist. That was the primary difference from communism.

If you don't think so, then I'll entertain a better argument than "real pre-school grade dialectic". And the point, which you so bumblingly missed, was that they're NOT to the right...
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 12:27 PM: Would you for him?

Of course. Jesus died for me first.

Then I suggest you re-tool your understanding of winning and losing.

Do you understand that we have different priors and you're appealing to your priors in order to convince me? If I had been addressing you with the self-sacrifice idea, I would have appealed to your values: tribal strength, group selection, and how altruism fits into the selfish gene idea. And I would make it aesthetic and punchy, because that's what your subculture demands.
Taco Town August 14, 2017 12:28 PM: Persuading the mainstream/masses/center is a trap. Victory has never required their support, all that is necessary is to get them to turn their backs on the left and to stand aside and do nothing while the left is mercilessly destroyed.
VFM #7916 August 14, 2017 12:29 PM: @216

Advocating with a car?

The Alt-West can do without Islamist tactics, TYVM.
pnq87 August 14, 2017 12:30 PM: @205 I agree with what you are saying about the Lithuanians and Poles fighting for their ethnicity. However, it doesn't matter. If you are a white nationalist of any stripe you WILL be labeled a Nazi. Good luck getting anyone to care about your precious "American" identity. At this point in history it is next to meaningless. I know I don't give a shit.
Jon D. August 14, 2017 12:32 PM: One of the best Darkstreams yet.
Matthew August 14, 2017 12:32 PM: If you want to upset the Jews and other elites, all you have to do is dress like Chads or Billy Bobs, or anyone else that looks to real Americans like real Americans.
S1AL August 14, 2017 12:33 PM: "Idiot wannabe Nazis have been trying, and failing, to do that for 50 years now. Do you really think just one more year will do the trick?"

You're being too generous. This is *exactly* what they think. They're zealots, top to bottom, and zealots are *always* convinced that people just need to be made to see the right way. Combine it with secret-Fuhrer delusions and...

It all makes sense. Well, as much as it can.
Matthew August 14, 2017 12:35 PM: You want the real Americans to think, "Those people at the rally are just like me." And, ideally, that will be true, which means that most of the alt-retard should stop appearing in public.
Chris Mallory August 14, 2017 12:36 PM: A listing for a Hollywood employment agency looking for "actors" in the Charlotte area.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170813170800/charlotte.craigslist.org/tlg/d/actors-and-photographers/6253308843.html
S1AL August 14, 2017 12:37 PM: "If you are a white nationalist of any stripe you WILL be labeled a Nazi."

Ignore the leftists. Pay attention to the middle. Normal Americans some give a damn if people call Trump a Nazi because it's absurd. They're disgusted by people carrying actual Nazi paraphernalia. This. Is. Not. Hard.
Chris Mallory August 14, 2017 12:37 PM: Otto Lamp wrote:Outside of the South, the reaction of most Americans to the Confederate flag is: "My ancestors fought against the Confederacy".

Even if they aren't

antipathetic to it, they have no reason to be sympathetic to it.

All the more reason for These United States to split.
Thucydides August 14, 2017 12:37 PM: The claim was always ridiculous on the face, since National Socialism has its left wing character *right in the name*.

Alt-Right, Alt-Lite and Alt-West may be many things, but they are not certainly not variations of Socialism.........
S1AL August 14, 2017 12:38 PM: Some = don't
Rip August 14, 2017 12:40 PM: You're right, you won't successfully recruit americans with nazi symbology. But you've never complained about Milo running around with dildos and sexually suggestive posters of young gay men. Or do you expect that to be a successful recruitment strategy?
Taco Town August 14, 2017 12:40 PM: The Nazis, Bolsheviks and to a lesser extent the modern left all understood you needed both intellectual ideology and naked, stupid aggression and cultivated both. Leaders need foot soldiers, and the foot soldiers don't respond to intellectualism.

The alt-reich is our fault, because we stick to the intellectual ideologue tent and neglect the foot soldiers.
ZhukovG August 14, 2017 12:41 PM: If you know someone is out to get you, don't gift them a box of their favorite caliber of ammunition.
patrick kelly August 14, 2017 12:42 PM: Vox, thank you.

I was a bit perplexed with this mess and how to respond or talk about it. There is no way I was ever going to join hands with swastika wearing, jack booted alt-reichtards.
Gen. Kong August 14, 2017 12:43 PM: Why do people wave the Nazi flag? Because it's the ultimate "F$&@ you!" to the status quo.

Why don't they just burn the real flag of the Fake Banana Empire - that of UN?
Hacked acct. No longer your supporter $1.50 August 14, 2017 12:44 PM: Most timely, perfect daily meme just gab'ed it.

Attention seeking to building their "brands" to narcissism, dumb thinking and misguided testosterone.

Last night's darkstream had to be said, it was that important, we are out of time for morons and stupidity.

No matter what the POTUS says it will never be good enough. POTUS Trump is doing his best.

On another note I have zero interest or care about VA, its why I didn't react too much, but did gab coverage on it from those whom offer great analysis including the darkstream. Freakshows with cops with Terry McAuliffe at the helm can have themselves, ZFricksG as this was all expected, who funded all those props? All stupid. Zero respect for that Kessler guy to Spencer. (no of whom even read the 16 points, they were looking for fight and got one, big deal.) Of course the police stood down or cherry picked how the day was going to unfold. I saw that live on youtube. Hopefully the cold weather starts sooner than usual to freeze chaos.

I want a future, no one gets in my way unless God intervenes; women of western civ will make it even if we might be out there according to feminists and sjw's (whatever) but we are with it. And of course I can only speak for myself and pray.

Over the weekend instead of concerning myself with chaos, I was productive, made money, cared for my family and did my own thing in the safety of WV. Great summer weekend. Meanwhile people are still in the hospital, one died, etc. Sad. Your fault not mine.

Let the fools parrot a 70 year plus dead head thinking of a guy that destroyed beautiful Germany.
Koanic August 14, 2017 12:45 PM: The US flag stands for one empire, under the Fed, with degeneracy and servility for all. It should be burned with its literal monopoly money currency.

The cross is something chicks wear to draw attention to their breasts with a madonna-whore tease.

The Jolly Roger hasn't meant anything for hundreds of years.

At least when a swastika comes out you know it's serious. What other symbol is the US Generation Zyklon supposed to use? I predict swastika-posting will only increase.
dc.sunsets August 14, 2017 12:45 PM: So the Left never punches left...and that's a good thing?

Trannies in the little girl's locker room?
Pederasts in the Boy Scouts?
NAMBLA's office at the YMCA?

Knowing who are your adversaries, who are your allies and who look the the latter but behave like the former is Conflict 101. Leftism has no boundaries, only leftward movement. It was doomed to sail off the edge of the world sooner or later. Its cultists cannot help themselves, they are the Jim Jones' People's Temple of today.

Change has begun and there's no need for leaders, or a flag, or even a catchy theme song. Change is not a function of the marketing department, neither it is in engineering. Change just IS. Eventually, the clouds of today will coalesce, boundaries will form and people will "vote with their feet." Whatever becomes The Fashion will be spontaneously chosen, not a result of choreography.

Madison Avenue does not determine what is this years New Black. People herd, but the herd chooses its own path.
Matthew August 14, 2017 12:45 PM: I'd love to see a rally where MAGA red hats physically remove the retards. Good for optics, good for the American soul.
@Where_is _Diocletian August 14, 2017 12:47 PM: Exactly.
Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 12:47 PM: @181 Ron Winkleheimer August 14, 2017 11:23 AM
"Well I'm devastated"

Hey, don't feel bad. Your pathetic inability to comprehend any of my points isn't really your fault, you know. The slate is not blank, after all. We'll take your limitations into account. The alt right strongly opposes ableism.
dc.sunsets August 14, 2017 12:49 PM: I think the Right should hold a conclave in Bohemian Grove. Or it's own Burning Man. Mixed signals give Leftists migraines.
Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 12:53 PM: "Why don't they just burn the real flag of the Fake Banana Empire - that of UN?"

A promising idea, but with one small problem-- how many people actually know what the UN flag looks like?

Now for Europeans, burning the EU flag... that's another story.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 12:57 PM: @225

I dont try recruit people with National Socialist symbolism. I find those waving Swastika flags publicly in uniforms to be just as distasteful as you.

However, my point is that there is a group of otherwise normal people who do not view Hitler and what happened in the same way as you or other normies do (and for good reason). All I am asking is if you consider these people to be a part of the alt-reich/retard.

Furthermore, public waving of swatiska flags is a decidedly white lower class pattern of behavior; Comment 194 has a great rant on this topic. These people are remnants of 20th century white nationalism aka white nationalism 1.0. The alt-right aka white nationalism 2.0 has nothing to do with WN 1.0, which is why the question as to whether not an alternate view of Hitler might be applicable to a larger share of the middle class is still open for discussion (but I imagine that the conversation would be short).

And I respectfully disagree about Holocops being the only ones who care about what "happened" 70 years. I imagine that a great many people would be interested to learn that the 6 million was foisted upon them as a means of societal control. The risk of being called a nazi simply does not outweigh the reward of exposing a 70 year old lie that forms the basis for much of the degeneracy we experience today.

In conclusion though, I do have to question your ability to approach a reasonable level of objectivity about this matter, seeing as you are not white. The swatistka is a symbol of my people. Hitler is a hero of Aryan history.

Yet, you are intelligent enough to dispel and dissuade people from my point, which is the reason why I will continue to frequent your blog as I do learn from you.

In the end, who was at c-ville? Was it the proud bois? was it the ELoE? No, it was the "alt-retard." Its easy to criticize, Vox. Its not so easy to face the oppressor.
Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 12:57 PM: @252 dc.sunsets
"I think the Right should hold a conclave in Bohemian Grove. Or it's own Burning Man."

Now that's thinking outside the box. I suspect the legacy media response would be either the memory hole, or, in the case of Bohemian Grove, to meme it as "not-sees promoting crazy conspiracy theories," but still...
Anonymous August 14, 2017 12:58 PM: @220

Thats one way to look at it. I would probably want to add a bit of nuance as war is never simple, now is it?
johnc August 14, 2017 1:00 PM: White people can either fully return to the Holy Faith or go extinct. Those are the two options. If you think there's a third way you're an unmitigated moron and should probably be put through a meat grinder.

Time is running out.
kHz August 14, 2017 1:00 PM: 'However, it doesn't matter. If you are a white nationalist of any stripe you WILL be labeled a Nazi.'

The prosecutor will always say the defendant is guilty. So what?

It's NOT the prosecutor you're looking to convince.

Claiming you're not a murderer, whilst in evidence there are videos of you in a hockey mask waving a machete, covered in blood and entrails and screaming, will not enamour the jury.

It'll convict you on the spot. They don't need your testimony. You wouldn't either.

If you're appearing in the dock, always wear a suit!
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:01 PM: @230 /pol/ already debunked that narrative.

It'll be interesting to see how it turns out, but it seemed like the kids car was attacked and he panicked....
Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 1:03 PM: @254 SomeAsshole

Very sad that so many who claim to be on the Right are so stuck in the past, whining about "Muh Hitler!" and "Muh Shoah!" We've stepped over that. It is the current year, after all.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:03 PM: @257

Absolutely.
Koanic August 14, 2017 1:06 PM: > Hitler is a hero of Aryan history.

So is the Pied Piper.

> The swatistka is a symbol of my people.

It means "Good luck! (You'll need it.)"

The swastika panties, Hitleotard, and totalitarian tutu are a set.
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 1:07 PM: Alt-Reich behavior isn't going to make sense until you understand that WINNING is a means to an end for them. The establishment of their Indoaryan religion is the primary goal. If you appeal to mere winning, they aren't going to budge an inch.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:07 PM: @260

It is a distinctly white thing to remember the past. Hitler was the most influential politician in the last 70 years and a lot of shit has happened.

Even if the narrative was true, we still shouldn't just relegate him to the back stacks of teh library.

Another question: you would not be interested to know if a genocide was actually perpetrated?
johnc August 14, 2017 1:07 PM: People have all the time in the world to drive 200 miles to go to some rally and get the snot beat out of them all day... but when it's time to go to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass on Sunday...? NOPE! No time for that in my schedule!

Why do you anger God so much and then have the balls to expect to be blessed?
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 1:09 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXNj2BobjJ4
Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 1:09 PM: @259 SomeAsshole
"/pol/ already debunked that narrative"

Very sad that so many leftists are so consumed with rabid, toxic anti-white hatred, that they automatically try to politicize this tragedy, in a vain, pitiful attempt to blame all whites for the actions of one individual, who was clearly mentally ill, and panicked when he was attacked by a mob of rioting Communists. Why can't they be more tolerant and understanding?
ZhukovG August 14, 2017 1:09 PM: @SomeAsshole: No one cares about the Shoah, they will not care if it was 6 million or 6 thousand. What people care about is losing their jobs to H1B hires and offshoring. They care about their Family's safety in a declining society.

Swastikas and Hitlerian apologetics make you look at best ridiculous and at worst a threat to normal people, not their salvation.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:09 PM: @262

Thanks
Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 14, 2017 1:09 PM: The alt retard needs to go to work, go to church, get married, and have babies.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:12 PM: @268

I agree with everything you said, which is why I dont walk up to people and say "excuse me sir, do you have time to talk about Adolf Hitler?"

My initial question directed at vox was whether or not he considered people who hold an alternate view of hitler and WW2 as "alt-riech" or is it the people who wave the flag publicly.
Taco Town August 14, 2017 1:12 PM: @SomeAsshole

War as a whole isn't simple, but for the foot soldier it isn't complicated. Enemy, Blood, then Victory. Those are what are required.

Ideology isn't an Enemy, people are the Enemy. To create an effective Enemy it must be personified.

Angry young men want Blood, the blood of the enemy. It isn't enough to talk on the internet, the enemy must be confronted in open conflict and Blood must be spilled. Being hurt in the process is fine so long as the Enemy is hurt as well, preferably more.

Over time, Blood isn't enough and Victory is required, else what was it all for.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:14 PM: @268

The idea that the Holocost is not a looming presence over almost every facet of american debate is so obscenely stupid.

It gets mentioned at least once a day on one of the major right wing talk radio shows and countless times among the regional and city shows.

It gets mentioned non stop in schools. It gets mentioned non stop in movies. Non stop in universities.

People get bombarded with it. They are forced to care.
VD August 14, 2017 1:15 PM: But you've never complained about Milo running around with dildos and sexually suggestive posters of young gay men. Or do you expect that to be a successful recruitment strategy?

True, I have not. The sad thing is that Milo has an observably a much more successful recruitment strategy than Nazi cosplaying, which amounts to negative recruiting. But no one is trying to claim that all conservatives are charming gay British men who talk too fast.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:18 PM: @272

I agree. Imagine what type of victory would be delivered if the entire western world came to understand that a (((foreign))) parasite has foisted upon them a lie aimed at the most innocent facet of their being in an attempt to rob them of their identity and prosperity....
A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2017 1:20 PM: Hitler was the most influential politician in the last 70 years and a lot of shit has happened.

Not to get your panties wadded up, but nope. Nah, he was just a bit player. Loser. Stupid methhead who destroyed his country. Only stupid losers want to emulate him.

Stalin and Mao were much more important. The Klantifa are copying Mao. Shouldn't we spend more effort knowing our enemies, not study dead stupid losers?
jacopo August 14, 2017 1:20 PM: If they insist on LARPing at these rallies, they could try something that is within the American national context; perhaps marching silently dressed like the Baseball Furies from The Warriors. The uniform even includes a baseball bat. Then again, you have to be tall and fit to pull that outfit off, which would have been difficult for many of the UTR.

Also, they should rally around something positive instead of quixotic monuments to losing regimes of limited national appeal, which comes across as rather pathetic and histrionic.

Anyone who shows up with Nazi or Klan gear should be confined to the short bus like a special needs kid or treated as an agent provocateur.
ZhukovG August 14, 2017 1:21 PM: @SomeAsshole: In fairness, I'm fine with discussing the more, shall we say, unconventional details of WWII history. Particularly if beer is involved.

I'm glad to see we are on a similar page regarding the need for wisdom in tactical decision making.
Matthew August 14, 2017 1:21 PM: SomeAsshole wrote:However, my point is that there is a group of otherwise normal people who do not view Hitler and what happened in the same way as you or other normies do (and for good reason). All I am asking is if you consider these people to be a part of the alt-reich/retard.

Do you have to tell everyone what you're thinking whenever you happen to disagree with them?

Let's assume that you're correct, and that everything we know about Hitler and Holocaust is a big Jewish lie. You can't convert people to your viewpoint by talking at them about it. As well mount a cavalry charge against a moat. That castle is well-defended.

Even if you could, what good is it merely to have correct ideas about history?
VFM #7916 August 14, 2017 1:22 PM: @272 That's 1GW and 2GW.

They will fail, due to the technical and physical reality of war, now.

4GW, which does not use violence unless it can be used to advance your moral platform, has moved beyond. The desire for blood must be controlled on a personal level.
A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2017 1:23 PM: @263
Alt-Reich behavior isn't going to make sense until you understand that WINNING is a means to an end for them. The establishment of their Indoaryan religion is the primary goal.

So they're like Jehovah's Witnesses, only more stupid and obnoxious?
Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 14, 2017 1:24 PM: The idea that the Holocost is not a looming presence over almost every facet of american debate is so obscenely stupid.

It gets mentioned at least once a day on one of the major right wing talk radio shows and countless times among the regional and city shows.

It gets mentioned non stop in schools. It gets mentioned non stop in movies. Non stop in universities.

People get bombarded with it. They are forced to care.

You sound like an atheist complaining that nativity scenes and Christmas trees are oppressing you
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:25 PM: @279

I have repeatedly said that i dont go out and ask people if they have time to talk about Hitler.

"Even if you could, what good is it merely to have correct ideas about history?"

I dont know if youre being obtuse or whatever, but Im not going to be discussing the importance of actually finding the facts of history, the context in which those fact permeate the present, and any effects lying about those facts might have.

You gotta go somewhere else for that, friend.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:27 PM: @278

We'll be drinking a clear liquor. Beer gives you tits.
Gen. Kong August 14, 2017 1:28 PM: @254.

There is no question that societal control and manipulation is involved. In many countries, all Nazi symbols and regalia are outlawed, while those of communists (who are responsible for a far greater body count) are permitted - even in the countries where the mass graves filled by (((Marxism's willing executioners))) dot the landscape.

There has been a 70-year dirty war waged on whites by blacks, led and encouraged by the (((fake news))) and by "Christians" of all races. As VD has noted many times, the herd is not persuaded by facts, by history, or even by reality. The objective here should be to collapse the narrative - faster. Note the VD did not state that the Alt-White needed to be expelled, he stated that the Alt-Reich needs to stand down as they are destroying the ongoing effort to collapse the narrative.
Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 1:28 PM: How many KKK and Nazis were actually at this thing? Out of hundreds of pictures and video clips, I have seen zero KKK, 3 dudes (not dressed as Nazis) doing a "sieg heil, zero swastikas, and a couple dudes who looked like legit skinheads (shaved heads that were all tatted up, wearing White Nationalist looking outfits).
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:28 PM: @282

And you just sound like a skeptic. I dont know what else to say. Your comment doesnt really mean anything.
I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 14, 2017 1:29 PM: Do you understand that we have different priors and you're appealing to your priors in order to convince me?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I've merely observed that your understanding of winning and losing, winner and loser, is inconsistent.

If I had been addressing you with the self-sacrifice idea, I would have appealed to your values: tribal strength, group selection, and how altruism fits into the selfish gene idea.

You have no idea what my values are. I know this because I haven't told you what my values are.

And I would make it aesthetic and punchy, because that's what your subculture demands.

You're a shifty, presumptuous fucker, ain't ya.
Nate August 14, 2017 1:29 PM: "If the Alt-West can't even do their most basic Christian duty of caring for the poor, the sick, the orphans, and the LOSERS, we'll never win anything because when the cards are down I need the guy next to me to be willing to lay down his life for me."

They are not our losers. They are not our wounded. They are not us at all.
Josh (the sexiest thing here) August 14, 2017 1:29 PM: We'll be drinking a clear liquor. Beer gives you tits.

Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.
Whitey Whiteman III August 14, 2017 1:30 PM: Also, as far as flags/symbols, the Stars and Stripes and MAGA still triggers the left plenty enough to get you called a "Nazi". Why not just go with those?
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:31 PM: @285

"As VD has noted many times, the herd is not persuaded by facts, by history, or even by reality. The objective here should be to collapse the narrative - faster. Note the VD did not state that the Alt-White needed to be expelled, he stated that the Alt-Reich needs to stand down as they are destroying the ongoing effort to collapse the narrative."

There is a lot to be said about all of this and unfortunately this is not the place nor the medium to have such a profound discussion.

Thanks for the response though.
BBGKB August 14, 2017 1:32 PM: 210 Why does the black guy have to play the bad guy?

If you thought I was joking, here is the PC Dukes of Hazard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EA-OvBAlSrc

Trannies in the little girl's locker room? Pederasts in the Boy Scouts?NAMBLA's office at the YMCA?

Convicted child sex offender being the one on TV pushing the NC trannies in girls room wasn't bad enough a rape councilor convicted rapist.
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Convicted-rapist-caught-working-at-California-11815971.php
Almost as bad as the convicted rapist leader of an OH gun control group.

Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.

Not All Clear Alcohol Drinkers Are Like That IKAGO
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:32 PM: @290

sorry, tubby.

I have gainz to provide for.
Elocutioner August 14, 2017 1:33 PM: "I'm willing to forego the cheap satisfaction of the radical pose for the deep satisfaction of radical ends." - Van Jones

The Nazi clingers can learn something from the radical black commie.
Koanic August 14, 2017 1:33 PM: Doesn't "Yakuza" mean "loser"?
Not the best brand, but it has staying power.
White prison gangs get swastika tattooes. Seems similar.
The swastika is a "fuck you" from oppressed American badwhite losers. Which is a booming demographic.
Pissing them off has little strategic cost... if you live in Italy.

Southerners don't need the swastika because the Confederate flag is better. Northerners are more socialist than the Nazis anyway, and arguably worse strategists than Hitler, since they decided to import the 3rd World instead of losing to the Russian Rape Army.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:33 PM: @295

nice find.
Taco Town August 14, 2017 1:33 PM: @VFM #7916

You're over complicating things. Blood need not be literal. Posting offensive memes and triggering snowflakes is drawing Blood. Trump announcing the ban on Trannies in the military is drawing Blood. Posting a 10 page manifesto criticizing Google on diversity is drawing Blood. Arguing tactics, symbolism, and ideology amongst ourselves is not drawing Blood.
LurkingPuppy August 14, 2017 1:35 PM: pnq8787 wrote:if you are already nationalist you are pretty much cornered into defending Nazism in some way.
No, all you have to say is “No, I'm not a Socialist.”. If you want to get more elaborate, you can say “I'm not a National Socialist, nor am I any other kind of Socialist.” or add “and I unequivocally oppose invading Russia by land during the winter”.

This isn't rocket surgery.

Ron Winkleheimer wrote:The Nazis were evil. That doesn't actually need deconstructing because it is true and I'm not interested in deconstructing narratives, leftist or otherwise.
Most of the individuals were no worse than the members or any other military or police force who Just Follow Orders.

S1AL wrote:America is a burger, fries, and a drink.
“Egg McMuffin for President” was a joke meant to insult Evan McMullin, not a serious plan. No one is going to risk their life fighting to save a fast-food chain.

It's the first amendment.
Which didn't survive the second President.

It's a nation that agrees on the symbolism and hero status of George Washington.
He led the government's forces to crush the citizens in America's first civil war, the Whiskey Rebellion.

We put a man on the moon.
And John F***ing Kennedy made it quite clear that he was only allowing that as a publicity stunt, and he would never allow America to make any practical use of manned spaceflight whatsoever. And his successors stuck with that.

We claimed victory in both world wars, then brought down the Soviets without starting a third.
We fought for first the Serbian socialists, then international Stalinist Communism. Then all but three of our post-WWII Presidents tried to weaken the U.S. so the Soviets would win.
S1AL August 14, 2017 1:37 PM: At the end of the day, the "don't be a damn Nazi" thread was turned into the "but muh Hitler apologetics" thread because the Reichtards literally cannot help themselves. It's a freaking reflex at this point. And those are the ones coherent enough to string together a sentence more complex than "(((globalists))) (((journalists))) reeeeeee!!"

Not right, not Right, not useful, not wanted.
Tadeusz Korzeniewski August 14, 2017 1:38 PM: I was in a revolution, big revolution, played an active part in it. Here’s my take on yours:

White Americans have and will have a problem with over-Germanization of their nationalistic upsurge, German-Americans being the sturdiest minority among white Americans today. The "alt-right" movement, which came to the national attention in the 2016 presidential election, gushed out of America's Germanic 'id' in relevant part. The "Hail Trump!" post-election jollity, the "lügenpresse" and similar dog-whistling, came out of that Wotan bag. This preempts and discredits a broader integration of ethnic Euro-Americans, whose common cause is yet to be worked out. Of course, the primitive bit within the Germanic 'id'-Wotan isn't going anywhere, "all is not dead which lies buried." But it needs to be confronted, held down, and deprived of vitality through the rising white nationalism's greater strength.

Then you had sensible Bill Buckley. The sensible Bill Buckley and his "modern American conservatism," in which he threw consumerist antisemitism under the bus. Damn right thing to do about those outlier power-trippers running around with a lit match and blustering, "I'll set the flames of antisemitism to you, Jews, I'm Power, fear Me!" At the same time, it was an inordinate mistake to cut off the natural defenses―sacred as such―we ethnic Euros construct organically against Jewish group-jamming of our hubs.

Don't get deluded, white man, no political action will solve your present existential problem. A successful political action will flow out of the cultural-spiritual remake of the European peoplehood, not earlier. Brace up for 100 years long march through the minds and souls of ethnic Euros in America and worldwide. And it ain't gonna be pop-cultural march either, make no lazy mistake.

The best which can be done from now on is to work toward cultural separation of white Americans, so they’ll be getting water of life at a separate cultural fountain, instead of becoming new slaves. Then some 50 million folks will get out of this bog. Better than nothing.

Cheers
Unknown August 14, 2017 1:38 PM: The establishment of their Indoaryan religion is the primary goal.

Really? I know that exists, but I don't hear them bring it up that much. Mostly I hear: Jews, Hitler personality cult stuff, economics that just weren't done right, Jews, everyone else is commies, appeals to masculinity which they don't see anywhere else, and Jews. Is paganism really the heart of it?
Avalanche August 14, 2017 1:39 PM: @6 "Many of these "Nazis" are unemployed white men robbed of opportunity and dignity."

They have indeed been robbed of opportunity -- one CANNOT be robbed of dignity, one can only abandon it.

@29 "we have to be strategic about this and find better avenues to push the cause."

Name ONE! Just one "avenue" that is NOT cucked to the nth degree -- or wholly owned by our enemies/destroyers.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 1:41 PM: @301

" A successful political action will flow out of the cultural-spiritual remake of the European peoplehood, not earlier. Brace up for 100 years long march through the minds and souls of ethnic Euros in America and worldwide."

YES! So true
Elder Son August 14, 2017 1:42 PM: Search-bar: Brennan Gilmore.

Here is his Twitter feed: https://twitter.com/brennanmgilmore

By the way - What some of you thought America saw:

Clean, white, and wholesome:

https://mojavedesertpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/cqziecrucaermcg.jpg

What Americans actually saw:

https://mojavedesertpatriot.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/cqziecrucaermcga.jpg

Perception is everything folks.
Avalanche August 14, 2017 1:43 PM: @30 "I'm neither "alt-reich" nor "alt-retard". I'm alt-right, and I'd like to see Vox live by his own rules (again, I'm a big fan of Vox in general). First, it was okay to hit the "alt-retards". Now it's okay to hit the "alt-reich"."

But they're NOT "allies" -- they are ill-educated pranksters who keep sticking out their toe to trip us; who keep whipping up our enemies to do more, try harder, to hurt us. The Alt-Retards = Alt-Reich are hurting us more than helping. If you led an army, and you had a "division" that ONLY hurt your side in the war, that ONLY damaged your chances of gaining the 4G moral sway with the populace (have you READ Lind's book yet?! Do so!) ... you would FIRE that division. You would disallow them from interfering with what the 'adults' were doing to actually WIN the war.

They are NOT allies. I DOUBT they are actually enemies, but their choices and actions are "retarding" our war! (And I was (am) a Nazi (not a Neo-Nazi, a 'real' believer; who MARRIED a Nazi -- a warrior who actually served as a body guard for Matt Koehl when he headed the American Nazi Party.)

Vox Day is, without a DOUBT, correct. The Alt Reich, the Nazi LARPers -- no matter how well-meaning -- are HURTING their own cause (or, what we have believed they thought was their cause) -- and also OUR cause.
A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2017 1:44 PM: Speaking of backstabbers, Ted Cruz is going full retard over last weekend's police/Klantifa riot.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-asks-justice-department-to-investigate-charlottesville-crash-as-domestic-terrorism/article/2631380

“Having watched the horrifying video of the car deliberately crashing into a crowd of protesters, I urge the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act domestic terrorism.”

Be very glad the Never Trumper Cruzlims failed.
Kat August 14, 2017 1:44 PM: Dixie plays well in parts of the South because it symbolizes the oppression of our people by Yankee do-gooders and Washington idiots. Dixie is a geographic area with a particular history and an identity formed by war and reconstruction. That said - we LOST the damn war, so why people want to idolize it is so incredibly beyond me. This time, maybe, we try not losing? If that means we ditch the battle flag (at least for now) then I don't care. The South is a people. We can make a new flag, but if you lose the people you're sunk.

Oh, and want to piss off the left? Go out there looking like an accountant from the 50's who just happens to cross-fit. Any women (not front lines obviously) should look like June Cleaver. Look like a man who wouldn't trip over such a blinkingly obvious media trap such as waving swastikas in the town square.
Taco Town August 14, 2017 1:49 PM: When you guys get off your asses and take to the streets, instead of hiding behind keyboards, maybe I'll take you more seriously. I've had enough of talk, I want Blood. At least the alt-Reich has some guts.
Out of Nod August 14, 2017 1:50 PM: I appreciate that you invoked the story of Gideon and the 300 men in the DS. My thoughts went to that story yesterday in regards to those who were bringing bad optics to the rally. Anyone who is not useful to the cause needs to sit the fight out - and in a 4G war such as this, you want the hearts of the people to be with you. Nazi LARPing and giving David Duke a voice in the whole thing is bad for optics - it's not even heritage American.
Mercy August 14, 2017 1:52 PM: Alt-Reichtards are obsessed with signaling what they insist to be virtue.
No one else buys it. This would give a rational man pause.
Avalanche August 14, 2017 1:57 PM: @63 "How do you know the dress-up wing of the alt-right is "counterproductive"? What is that based on? Polls? Believable ones?"

Do you never speak with normies? Heck, even some of my half-awakened "projects" have backslid a good bit over the Nazi's...
LurkingPuppy August 14, 2017 1:58 PM: Matthew wrote:You want the real Americans to think, "Those people at the rally are just like me."
Or better, “Those people are more handsome/beautiful or more fit or otherwise better than me. I want to dress up or work out or improve myself so I'll be more like those people.”.

Matthew wrote:I'd love to see a rally where MAGA red hats physically remove the retards. Good for optics, good for the American soul.
Grab them by their swastika panties and wedgie them.
Taco Town August 14, 2017 1:58 PM: What I saw over the weekend was people putting themselves in harm's way, having their blood spilled and standing up to the enemy in person at personal risk. That in and of itself is worthy of respect. I don't see where anyone has the right to criticize unless they are willing to do the same.
Inigo Montoya August 14, 2017 1:58 PM: Eschew.

I don't think this word means what you think it means.
Avalanche August 14, 2017 2:00 PM: @67 "What Jersey should they wear? Offer an alternative."

Polo, tucked into khakis. WHITE AMERICAN wear!
Anonymous August 14, 2017 2:03 PM: 31. Ator August 14, 2017 8:49 AM
Hitler led to the unnecessary deaths of more white men and women than any other person in history.

Stalin was in power and murdering White people by the truckload before Hitler ever got elected.
VFM #7916 August 14, 2017 2:03 PM: @298 and @309

Contradiction within 11 posts.

A fine example of the reasoning ability.
LurkingPuppy August 14, 2017 2:04 PM: Taco Town wrote:When you guys get off your asses and take to the streets, instead of hiding behind keyboards, maybe I'll take you more seriously. I've had enough of talk, I want Blood.
Is Federal Plant #6 still offering that carload of modeling clay and a burner phone with the local FBI office on speed dial?
SigOther August 14, 2017 2:05 PM: Then again, they show up. Better an identitarian who shows up (sans German nationalist symbols) than an armchair altrighter with their mighty tweets of shivvy wit (to their 29 followers) who stays home. I'd prefer alt-lighters who showed up, ie BSM, but they are few and far between.
Avalanche August 14, 2017 2:05 PM: @74 "[Vox] First, not a leader.
You're denying an obvious reality. Or you're using the word by a personalized definition."

Would you call Darth Bannon a leader? Or is he a *strategizer* advising a leader? I don't "follow" Vox: I listen/read, I hear and learn, and I modify (some of) my views and decisions on the basis of his advice. I consider what he teaches, I look up stuff he suggests I should know -- and I appreciate that what he says and writes is NOT based in needing to get followers to follow.

Certainly, the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil -- but that's not the/a leader in the Alt Right!
Avalanche August 14, 2017 2:06 PM: @76 "As I see it, many people especially among the younger generations have no sense of #1 and have actively rejected #2, and Nazi just doesn't hold the same stigma as it does for the rest of us."

We're not trying to CONVINCE "us" -- we're trying to help awaken and educate the vast herds of mooing cattle, whom we NEED to keep the pressure on returning our nation, our country to its greatness! MAGA!
VFM #7634 August 14, 2017 2:07 PM: How many KKK and Nazis were actually at this thing? Out of hundreds of pictures and video clips, I have seen zero KKK, 3 dudes (not dressed as Nazis) doing a "sieg heil, zero swastikas, and a couple dudes who looked like legit skinheads (shaved heads that were all tatted up, wearing White Nationalist looking outfits).

@286 Whitey Whiteman III
That's the thing. The (((media))) are going to focus on the handful of alt-Retard and ignore the 8,000 alt-White marchers.

And even if there weren't any alt-Retard, or antifa causing any accidents, they'd still be looking for ANY excuse to shut it down.

Is paganism really the heart of it?

@302 Cail Corishev
I still maintain one of the tenets of the alt-Retard is to insist that the teachings of Judeo-Christ ARE Christianity. Despite the fact that the only real antidote to the "negative foundation myth" that we're saddled with, and only viable foundation for the alt-White, is (uncucked) Christianity. It worked for hundreds of years, and only stopped appearing to do so once People Who Knew Better took over and decided they didn't want God putting restrictions on their behavior.
Quilp August 14, 2017 2:10 PM: I wish Shapiro had been included in that meme. lil Benji in a boat screaming at those on the right side to bail faster, while ignoring those on the left drilling fresh holes? Something along those lines Somehow, the brazen duplicity of conservatism inc. still manages to surprise me. I didn't think my estimation of the cucks could fall any lower. Every day is a new surprise I guess.
I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 14, 2017 2:11 PM: How many KKK and Nazis were actually at this thing? Out of hundreds of pictures and video clips, I have seen zero KKK, 3 dudes (not dressed as Nazis) doing a "sieg heil, zero swastikas, and a couple dudes who looked like legit skinheads (shaved heads that were all tatted up, wearing White Nationalist looking outfits).

There were, for all intents and purposes, no LARPers at the rally.

Nothing Burger: The Thread.
dc.sunsets August 14, 2017 2:11 PM: @301 @304 This is why each man's best path is to get his own house in order.

Tend your own garden. Time spent telling your neighbor how to tend his comes at the cost of neglecting your own. Each man provides his world with one improved unit: himself.

If that's not enough, then there's not one damn thing to do about it. History is not directed. Mankind is not on some sort of upward Path. The future could be a return to prehistoric barbarism. Life comes without a warranty.

Nock's Isaiah's Job clearly shows how fruitless is preaching to the masses. If it's on TV, it's entertainment or a commercial to sell you something you don't need.
Unknown August 14, 2017 2:12 PM: Oh, and want to piss off the left? Go out there looking like an accountant from the 50's who just happens to cross-fit.

You guys are missing Taco Town's point. His friends don't want to offend leftists; they want to offend everyone.

Now, you might say that means they have no place with us, and that might be fair. But at least try to get where they're coming from before rejecting them outright.
Quilp August 14, 2017 2:13 PM: "They've been told, because fuck you, that why, for decades. They are just returning the favor." That's what I hear listening to these people as well. They don't care if it ruins anyone's designs, schemes, plans for a long cultural war. "Because fuck you too"
VFM #7916 August 14, 2017 2:14 PM: @320

Show up?

Are you married? Do you have 3+ children? If so, do you homeschool? It's the internet, so an answer is not necessary.

For all those reading, consider your own situation. If you meet those criteria, you're not an armchair warrior.

If you don't, and you're "showing up" to stuff like this, you are winning battles (or losing them like the Reichtards did) and LOSING THE WAR. (Which the original Reichtards did, too. At least they're consistent)

Anyone advocating "Blood" in the streets and "Showing Up" to pre-planned events without and sort of strategy is a Federal Plant.

(I want to insert multiple expletives in that sentence SOOOOO badly)
Avalanche August 14, 2017 2:16 PM: @103 "Have a group of fellows LARP as members of a Continental Army troop led by Washington; make it a motley crew with some troops having ragged uniforms and rags for shoes."

Oh dear, you're Tea Party aren't you? Your heart still lifts to a fake Geo. Washington wearing a tricorner hat, tights, and a powdered wig and carrying a musket? The VAST majority of modern viewers will assume he's a CLOWN, hired to keep the tension down. Good lord, if lots of "kids" today think that slavery WAS INVENTED BY the U.S. -- HOW do you think they will recognize a Founding Father?!
SigOther August 14, 2017 2:17 PM: Why do you think the alt-right are responsible for the actions if self-proclaimed socialists? Socialists are the enemy of the altright, alt light, and the right generally. Stop buying what the lugenpresse is selling. The alt-reichers are leftists whose political policies are much closer to Bathhouse Barry than Regan.
VFM #7634 August 14, 2017 2:19 PM: In addition, Trump's latest condemnation looks to be specifically at the alt-Retard: Nazi LARPers, KKK, and "white supremacists" as understood by non-Marxists.
Man of the Atom August 14, 2017 2:24 PM: Taco Town wrote:What I saw over the weekend was people putting themselves in harm's way, having their blood spilled and standing up to the enemy in person at personal risk. That in and of itself is worthy of respect. I don't see where anyone has the right to criticize unless they are willing to do the same.

Do you have a Paetron? Willing to send money for your new helmet and can of Bactine.
fop August 14, 2017 2:27 PM: Has anyone tried dropping two rats with a ball of string tied between their tails into the antifa crowd yet?
Gen. Kong August 14, 2017 2:30 PM: Whitey Whiteman III wrote:
Also, as far as flags/symbols, the Stars and Stripes and MAGA still triggers the left plenty enough to get you called a "Nazi". Why not just go with those?

This is an excellent point. Why don't the angry young men wear MAGA hats and wave Stars and Stripe and various Confederate and State flags (the whole assembly was ostensibly about preserving a statue of R.E. Lee was it not)? Putting this aside for a moment, how many of the 5000 or so who showed up did so in Nazi regalia?? 100? 500? If the leaders of the event were there to save the statue, why didn't they just ban the Nazi regalia outright since it has nothing to do with the ostensible purpose of the event?
Flair1239 August 14, 2017 2:36 PM: It seems to me that every time we come off of the issues of immigration and freedom of speech, we lose.

In 2015, I was not alt-right. Had I saw a bunch of imbeciles doing Nazi salutes and what not, I would have ran the other way.

The way it turned out, I was sick of illegal immigrants and refugees ( I am from MN, so the Somali issue had me riled). I was tired of Affimative action. I was frustrated about not hearing anyone speak on these issues.

That led me to Trump, which lead me to Alt-Light, to the Alt-Right. I don't consider myself a Supremacist, I agree with most of the 16 points.

I do not see this as a racist movement. I see it as acknowledging a reality. The reality being that ethnic/racial groups should have their own space and be able to decide their own destiny. That is a pretty nuanced view.

I believe that immigration and freedom of speech are good points of entry into a conversation that will not freak out a "normal" person.
johnc August 14, 2017 2:41 PM: @303 Name ONE! Just one "avenue" that is NOT cucked to the nth degree -- or wholly owned by our enemies/destroyers.

Right now our best political move is to give Trump space to work and move the country rightward. No, he is not perfect. But he is walking on thin ice with the establishment and needs our support.

He needlessly lost political capital Saturday because people refuse to think.

@309 When you guys get off your asses and take to the streets

The battle is not in the streets. Why do you refuse to understand this fact? Do we have to hire Big Bird and Elmo to put on a show and explain it for some of you people?

So far all of our wins have been OFF the streets. MOST of our wins are from our enemy making own-goals. MOST of our losses so far have been on the streets. Why why why do you want to keep making the same mistakes?

And sure enough... they're going to have a "Free Speech Rally" in Boston on Saturday. Because dumb can't ever learn.

@314 What I saw over the weekend was people putting themselves in harm's way, having their blood spilled and standing up to the enemy in person at personal risk. That in and of itself is worthy of respect.

I don't respect something that's stupid. Getting blinded for life and thrown in prison and losing any chance of a career -- these are all NON-STARTERS for saving our people. We should be doing the opposite: getting married, having strong families with lots of kids and building up our financial strength.

And OT... Be careful who you go into battle with. They could very well be working for the opposition!

Jason Kessler (Organizer of Unite the Right), Currently a White Supremacist, Was Formerly Involved in the Occupy Movement and Was a Full-Fledged Obama Supporter.
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 2:42 PM: Cail Corishev wrote:The establishment of their Indoaryan religion is the primary goal.

Really? I know that exists, but I don't hear them bring it up that much. Mostly I hear: Jews, Hitler personality cult stuff, economics that just weren't done right, Jews, everyone else is commies, appeals to masculinity which they don't see anywhere else, and Jews. Is paganism really the heart of it?

You have no idea how strong that undertow is. It's the force behind the esoteric Hitlerism. People always ask "Why so much Hitler?" This is why.

I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. wrote:Do you understand that we have different priors and you're appealing to your priors in order to convince me?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I've merely observed that your understanding of winning and losing, winner and loser, is inconsistent.

Paradoxical. I don't expect you to understand or listen if I try to explain. "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."

If I had been addressing you with the self-sacrifice idea, I would have appealed to your values: tribal strength, group selection, and how altruism fits into the selfish gene idea.

You have no idea what my values are. I know this because I haven't told you what my values are.

I see ghosts and interpret dreams. Mind reading is 101.

And I would make it aesthetic and punchy, because that's what your subculture demands.

You're a shifty, presumptuous fucker, ain't ya.

Shifty no, presumptuous yes, fucker no.
Paradox August 14, 2017 2:42 PM: @214

If you believe National Socialism will become popular in the US, you're a retard. Pick an American figure that matches your economic views and American Nationalism i.e. Teddy Roosevelt. Alignment with Hitler is retarded. And I'll also tell the Alt-Right libertarian faction aligning with Pinochet is also retarded. They should be aligning with Jefferson. The Alt-Right needs to focus on American leaders, not the foreigners.
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 2:46 PM: If anyone doubts me regarding the paganism, test it by prodding just a little bit. Say Yahweh is the best god, and observe the reaction.
Sojourner August 14, 2017 2:46 PM: You want the symbol that unites, replace the stars of the US flag with a white cross. Simple as that. It'll unite the right kind of people and anyone who complains obviously wasn't going to come along for the ride anyways.
Gospace August 14, 2017 2:51 PM: On flags: Outside my house curŕently flying from poles are the US Flag, the Gadsden Flag, and a Christian Flag. I've The Gadsden Flag marks us as potential right wing terrorists acçording to the FBI. There are a number of historical flags suitable for displaying sentiments that you're a fed up Americàn, most prominent being the Gadsden Flag. But there are many others to choose from without the negative connotations many associate with the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia or other similar flags associated with the Confederates. Various styles of Molon Labe flags are popular in my area, but they are primarily a one issue flag.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 2:51 PM: @339

Please try not to misrepresent my arguments.
Unknown August 14, 2017 2:52 PM: @340, I've heard stuff like "failed Jewish hand-me-down religion" enough to know they're not Christian, but I didn't realize they had much specific to stand in its place, since they don't talk about that nearly as much. Makes sense, though, something has to.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 2:56 PM: I agree with Vox.

Any use of Nazi symbols, or idolization of Adolf Hitler, is mind boggling evil stupidity.

Anyone who wants to be part of any Alt-Right organization or meeting should be required to first renounce Nazism and Hitler worship.

Are you more interested in holding the support of the 50 Americans who are actual Nazis, or in gaining the support of the 200 million Americans who are not?

It may be that Unite the Right's big tent inclusion of Nazis is directly responsible for a death. James Field is apparently a Hitler worshiping Nazi. As such, he has no respect for the sanctity of human life. His Nazi philosophy may have predisposed him to knowingly take actions which resulted in a death.
Koanic August 14, 2017 2:59 PM: Those flag ideas are pretty good.

Let's be honest, though: the Gonzales flag is best flag.

Because if you're serious about killing, you say it with artillery.
Gen. Kong August 14, 2017 2:59 PM: Well that sure in hell is interesting.

So how is it that a person with such a history - a "new convert" if you will - is allowed to assume a leadership role only weeks after his alleged "conversion". Kessler smells like a plant, of this particular variety
quaybangz August 14, 2017 3:00 PM: With regards to #337 aka @johnc and his OT on organizer Jason Kessler, we have Karl Denninger (anti-conspiracist) weighing in https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=232300. Regardless of what many may perceive, this IS war and the tactic fits with that reality. Prepare accordingly.
pnq87 August 14, 2017 3:01 PM: I like the green, white, and black Kekistan flag. It has all of the strength of the Nazi flag without the baggage. That's the type of thing we should be aiming for.
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 3:02 PM: I solved the flag problem almost a year ago.

See first: https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/you-will-know-them-by-their-flags/

See second: https://aeolipera.wordpress.com/2016/09/20/divisions-of-the-american-alt-right-and-their-interests/
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Anonymous August 14, 2017 3:08 PM: "There were, for all intents and purposes, no LARPers at the rally."

Breitbart ran a picture of 3 men in Klan garb being escorted by police.

Dreher has a picture of a man wearing a t-shirt with an Adolf Hitler quote, and another picture of 3 men doing a Nazi salute.

And lets not forget Hitler fan-boy James Alex Fields.
A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 14, 2017 3:08 PM: So how is it that a person with such a history - a "new convert" if you will - is allowed to assume a leadership role only weeks after his alleged "conversion".

Oh, boy, mysterious answers for $500? Alex, I know!

"What was COINTELPRO"
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Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 3:12 PM: Cail Corishev wrote:@340, I've heard stuff like "failed Jewish hand-me-down religion" enough to know they're not Christian, but I didn't realize they had much specific to stand in its place, since they don't talk about that nearly as much. Makes sense, though, something has to.

I'm not just fanning my balls when I call myself a genius, you know. Try the Yahweh thing, see if you can get them properly triggered, and then be inquisitive so they try to get you woke.
VD August 14, 2017 3:18 PM: That's what I hear listening to these people as well. They don't care if it ruins anyone's designs, schemes, plans for a long cultural war. "Because fuck you too"

That's legitimate. It also has no place in any disciplined group, movement, or event.
I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 14, 2017 3:20 PM: @338 Paradoxical. I don't expect you to understand or listen if I try to explain. "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."

My grandma Ruth used to deflect things she didn't want to talk about just like this. She was a bit of a fruit-bat too.

I see ghosts and interpret dreams. Mind reading is 101.

Sort of like a like a Secret King?

See you in the funny papers.
Elder Son August 14, 2017 3:21 PM: For all the talk about 4GW on this blog (as if just mentioning it, makes it instant-presto-poof 4GW), may I also suggest Propaganda 101-A and Counter-Propaganda 101-B.

Because be assured, TP'sTB behind the anti-AltRight, are masters of it.

And if your only response is, "We don't care", then really, you are dumber than a sun-baked worm.
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 3:23 PM: Then let me make a prediction about what you believe. You agree with this statement: "Yahweh is not the final authority on ethics."
pnq87 August 14, 2017 3:44 PM: This whole discussion is a moot point. No matter what new symbols we rally around, the left will send in controlled oposition (actors, LARPers, whatever you call them) with Nazi symbols to taint our new symbols with Nazi taint. In fact, how do we know that all so called Nazi's at the rally weren't doing exactly that? Basically the enemy is thinking three moves ahead of us. Seen that way the whole thing is a joke.
I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 14, 2017 3:47 PM: Then let me make a prediction about what you believe. You agree with this statement: "Yahweh is not the final authority on ethics."

Sorry, are you typing at me? If so, let me make a prediction about what you are incapable of doing: Successfully navigating back to the point at which you were triggered and finding the inconsistency -- a self-evident inconsistency issuing entirely from your own words -- in your application of "Winner/Winning" and "Loser/Losing". Because after that you talk like a fag and all your shit's retarded.
Old Ez August 14, 2017 3:50 PM: >Even Andrew Anglin appears to recognize this now.

This has *always* been Andrew Anglin's position, which is why some of us were so critical of the misinformation that was very prominently displayed here for a while. Folks who were pushing this narrative gladly admitted they never read DS and knew nothing about Anglin yet they went on their merry way defaming him and us - just like the leftist fake media they claim to hate. Glad some people have finally decided to actually look at what Anglin & Co. have been saying instead of projecting their own and the media's irrational fears onto him/us.
Anonymous August 14, 2017 3:59 PM: "how do we know that all so called Nazi's at the rally weren't doing exactly that?"

Fields would have to be an insanely committed provocateur to accept life in prison in return for discrediting the Alt-Right.

Actual Nazis are a real problem, and lone wolf White terrorists are a real problem, and there needs to be zero tolerance for either.
johnc August 14, 2017 4:01 PM: @363 Fields would have to be an insanely committed provocateur to accept life in prison in return for discrediting the Alt-Right.

What if he doesn't get life in prison?

What ever did happen to that guy who shot up Comet Ping Pong?
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 4:04 PM: I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. wrote:Because after that you talk like a fag and all your shit's retarded.

Are you aware that you're quoting the one playing the retard in that scene, talking to the competent one? Anyway, it's enough for me that you dodged the question. I've seen this play enough times to know the actors' lines by heart.
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 4:12 PM: Regarding self-sacrifice, here is the reasoning.

I am perfectly selfish. A selfish man only cares about satisfying his own needs. I need meaning and purpose. It is meaningless to live only for myself. Therefore I live for something other than myself.

That is, self-sacrifice is selfishness, properly understood. He who seeks to save his life will lose is, and vice versa.
Old Ez August 14, 2017 4:16 PM: "What ever did happen to that guy who shot up Comet Ping Pong?"

That's fake news. Apparently, it is not even confirmed a shot was fired, and if one was fired, it was an accidental discharge directed at the floor. Stop spreading #fakenews.
Jack Amok August 14, 2017 4:26 PM: If you can't have a conversation about the question of using nazi symbols without saying Hitler did nothing wrong, you are still alt-reich, tattoos or not.
Old Ez August 14, 2017 4:28 PM: nm that last comment. I haven't been keeping up with that story.
DonReynolds August 14, 2017 4:40 PM: There seems to be some confusion in the thread. Being allies, or being allied, does not mean they are alike, or that they agree, or they have an ethnic bond. Groups of people are allies because they share a Common Enemy.

The Germans considered themselves Aryan, but not the Italians, and certainly not the Japanese...yet they were friends and allies. The Americans had nothing in common with the Chinese, but they were friends and allies. The Filipino was allied with the Americans, not long after the Americans killed many thousands of Filipinos. All because they shared a Common Enemy.

The American NS certainly have very little in common with myself (and the same would apply to most here) but we do have a Common Enemy. I certainly do not agree with their purposes or their goals but they oppose the same Common Enemy. That does not mean I will adopt any of their symbols, or flags, or costumes, or give the Roman salute, or march in parades as they like to do. I will be glad when they visit violence on the Antifa and BLM and Radical Left and any other group that threatens or opposes what I care about.

Based on my own observations, a good many of the American NS were created in the hottest race crucible we have in this country. They spent part of their life in jail or prison, where Negro and Hispanic gang violence is almost constant and the only hope of any protection is not the prison guards but the white gangs, like the Aryan Brotherhood. Prison does change a man and seldom for the better. A good deal of the American NS numbers were created in prisons and jails. That does not make them right or correct, but it is my observation.

I am a Southerner and my family has been in the South since before the Revolution. The civil war ended many years ago and since then Southern and non-Southern have served in the same military. I never noticed anyone complain about Southerners being there. Some of the important leaders in the military (and politics) since the civil war have been from the South. But if the Alt-Right wants to exclude Southerners because they might have affection for an old flag, that would be fine with me. We can stop being friends and allies anytime you want to call it quits. We will go quietly. Until then, get with the program.
Nate August 14, 2017 4:40 PM: "If anyone doubts me regarding the paganism, test it by prodding just a little bit. Say Yahweh is the best god, and observe the reaction."

God is God. Jesus is God.

you worship mere powers. you worship mere principalities.

Change your ways.
AB.Prosper August 14, 2017 4:58 PM: Paradox wrote:A swastika made of magic dirt. Nazism was German, has not, and will never be American. The US was one of the countries that defeated Nazism.

American nationalism is Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Robert Lee and Teddy Roosevelt. Apple pie, baseball, and football. American nationalism is not freaking Hitler, and is not even Pinochet.

Not wrong though you forgot something, American Nationalism is implicitly though not absolutely White and in the past mostly Northern, Central and Western European

Its even arguable now if the other Euro folk are part of it. I fall into the yes category myself but I might be wrong

As for Pinochet, well the US is as corrupt and backwards as Latin America in places and mainly Latino in some. In might fit.

Just don't let the globalists get you down the line as they almost got him. Better to have an arsenal of nukes as Russia, North Korea and China have and Iran is trying
Matthew August 14, 2017 5:00 PM: VD wrote:That's what I hear listening to these people as well. They don't care if it ruins anyone's designs, schemes, plans for a long cultural war. "Because fuck you too"

That's legitimate. It also has no place in any disciplined group, movement, or event.

"The Dwarfs are for the Dwarfs."
WaterBoy August 14, 2017 5:09 PM: Dirtnapninja @173: "When the Canadian Reform Party rose on a tide of western resentment and alienation. Their motto was brilliant: "The West Wants In"

Its short. Its punchy. Its positive. That's what should studied and emulated."

Take Back The Right.
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 5:10 PM: Nate...I'm a Jesus freak. I don't agree with them, I just understand them.
Avalanche August 14, 2017 5:20 PM: @345" James Field is apparently a Hitler worshiping Nazi. As such, he has no respect for the sanctity of human life. His Nazi philosophy may have predisposed him to knowingly take actions which resulted in a death."

OR

his familiarity with the violence and brutal attacks on drivers caught accidentally in a BLM/antifa riot trapped in a street he was not familiar with may have made him panic (because he sure looks like a weenie-boy) and instead of backing up like hell to escape, he drove forward like hell by mistake!

You know exactly 100% NOTHING about this young man's motivations. And you sure as hell don't know anything about whether or not he has any 'respect for the sanctity of life.'

Sheesh!
Nate August 14, 2017 5:33 PM: "Nate...I'm a Jesus freak. I don't agree with them, I just understand them."

I don't think you do.

I've been dealing with these fucktards for decades. in person and on the ground. That's largely why I was able to predict this outcome. Its why I was warning everyone within earshot that these people were God Damn Morons.
Gary Eden August 14, 2017 5:36 PM: If you think disavowing nazie will help you are wrong. The enemy portrays you as racist nazis and always will, simply because you don't hate white.

Trump just came out comdemning Nazis and racists while studously avoiding mention of violent commies. That means you, that means the whole altright DOJ is to investigate car insidnt, but no mention of what police did.

Obama was a better friend than that to blm. Trump is throwing us all under the bus.
Gary Eden August 14, 2017 5:36 PM: If you think disavowing nazie will help you are wrong. The enemy portrays you as racist nazis and always will, simply because you don't hate white.

Trump just came out comdemning Nazis and racists while studously avoiding mention of violent commies. That means you, that means the whole altright DOJ is to investigate car insidnt, but no mention of what police did.

Obama was a better friend than that to blm. Trump is throwing us all under the bus.
Avalanche August 14, 2017 5:46 PM: Way way interesting (if preliminary?) stuff over here. Take with a shaker of salt?

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6tme1k/jason_kessler_organizer_of_unite_the_right/

You all do know that the economic ideology of national socialism (S-O-C-I-A-L-I-S-M) is left wing, right? Natsocs are essentially pro-white Berniebros.

But the main point of the thread:
"Jason Kessler (Organizer of Unite the Right), Currently a White Supremacist, Was Formerly Involved in the Occupy Movement and Was a Full-Fledged Obama Supporter."

A few commenters:

Everyone needs to watch this! Stranahan has broken it all down. This was a mirror image of Ukraine. Setup w Soros/McMuffin and other deep state people who are attempting a coup.
https://youtu.be/ppBXqO6ObQ8

I'm not a big Stranahan follower but I did watch his video and he tied it all up in a pretty package.

In summary, the Tiki Torch March, the chants of "Blood and Soil", the association of neo-Nazis with supporters of Trump, are identical to what Soros, McCain and Graham orchestrated in 2013 with the Ukraine coup. The goal is to turn peaceful protests violent, and spark a Civil War.

I used to be an Obama supporter too. I'd imagine many others on this sub were progressive cancer at some point as well.

Did you flip full white supremacist leader in two months?
Avalanche August 14, 2017 5:48 PM: @360 " In fact, how do we know that all so called Nazi's at the rally weren't doing exactly that?"

Maybe ask the Chan to look into some of these LARPers -- see who they are at home? NOT dox them, unless they are provably leftie actors; just check for bona fides?
Anonymous August 14, 2017 5:55 PM: "And you sure as hell don't know anything about whether or not he has any 'respect for the sanctity of life.'"

Hitler murdered millions, starting with 100,000 of the Polish elite in Operation Tannenberg in 1939. (Yes, Hitler started mass murdering Poles before he started mass murdering Jews) Expressing admiration for Hitler implies lack of respect for the sanctity of human life.
Aeoli Pera August 14, 2017 6:10 PM: Nate wrote:"Nate...I'm a Jesus freak. I don't agree with them, I just understand them."

I don't think you do.

As it turns out, the group I didn't understand was the Alt-West. It has been very dispiriting to see Christians spitting on orphans. There is literally nothing in the world I hate more than Luciferian Indoaryan-worshiping cultists...except the health and wealth gospel of Satan.
Out of Nod August 14, 2017 7:39 PM: VD says: It also has no place in any disciplined group, movement, or event.

Which all comes back to your main point...if these people had an actual understanding of strategy this mess could have all been avoided. 3 people would still be alive, a man would still have his eye sight, and the wounds and loss of livelyhood could have been avoided.
Unknown August 14, 2017 8:13 PM: Isn't it a bit absurd to try to distance yourself from white supremacists on the one hand and to espouse the fourteen points on the other? It's time for some repentance, Theo.

https://truthinthetrenches.org/2017/08/14/vox-day-a-satanic-imitation-of-christianity/
Nate August 14, 2017 9:09 PM: 'As it turns out, the group I didn't understand was the Alt-West. It has been very dispiriting to see Christians spitting on orphans.'

You have a curious definition of orphan.

A little shit that punches his mother, steals his daddy's car to run away from home in the middle of the night isn't an orphan.

He's just a dick.
Post Alley Crackpot August 14, 2017 9:15 PM: WOOHOO WE GOT US SOME POPCORN CUZ WE CAN'T STOP WATCHIN' US SOME RETARD CIRCUSES WOOHOO

Hey n00btards, bring us some more beer! We ain't movin' cuz yer gutfeelz pr0n is bustin' our guts! We'll bust a barnyard pinecone if we so much as move in yer direction! WOOHOO! :-)
Lazarus August 14, 2017 9:16 PM: Kevin Short wrote:Isn't it a bit absurd to try to distance yourself from white supremacists on the one hand and to espouse the fourteen points on the other?

Check your math. It is 16 points. This WILL affect your GPA.
Lazarus August 14, 2017 9:19 PM: Out of Nod wrote:Which all comes back to your main point...if these people had an actual understanding of strategy this mess could have all been avoided.

Hold the rallies starting at 6 a.m. Anti-fa does not even have coffee till 11.
Knucklehead Sandwich August 14, 2017 9:22 PM: Lazarus: don't the right-wing paramilitaries wind up finishing their early morning raids around then?

Anti-fa and the right-wing paras could hook up for breakfast/dinner.

So what's it going to be ... IHOP or Denny's? :-)
Unknown August 14, 2017 9:27 PM: Check your math. It is 16 points. This WILL affect your GPA.

Thanks for the correction, I meant fourteen words, as in point fourteen of the sixteen, as in the verbal equivalent of a swastika in a white circle, on a red armband.
Unknown August 14, 2017 9:28 PM: And I doubt it will affect my GPA, but thanks for the concern, I still have the A average, doubt that is changing this semester.
jdgalt August 14, 2017 10:10 PM: The Charlottesville rally seems to have been largely a false-flag fraudfest, a "proof" (for the lamestream media to display) that AltRighters are racists and murderers.

Please advise how we can defeat this fraud and avoid having ourselves tarred with these slanders, without having to apologize or compromise with the enemy.
Gen. Kong August 14, 2017 10:13 PM: I see the Judeo-Christ heretics and apostates have shown up. Don't touch the poop.
Lazarus August 14, 2017 10:21 PM: Kevin Short wrote:Check your math. It is 16 points. This WILL affect your GPA.

Thanks for the correction, I meant fourteen words, as in point fourteen of the sixteen, as in the verbal equivalent of a swastika in a white circle, on a red armband......

.....And I doubt it will affect my GPA, but thanks for the concern, I still have the A average, doubt that is changing this semester.

Are any of you courses in chemistry?
Dirk Manly August 14, 2017 10:26 PM: "
The loss of Natural Selection among First World peoples has resulted in the proliferation of bat-guano crazy individuals."

This is why I have been saying for years that our childhood mortality rate is too low -- a lot of idiots who used to figure out creative ways to off themselves in childhood are now not merely saved by (expensive, public-paid for) hospital emergency surgerical procedures, but THEN do further economic and social damage to the country when they get old enough to start voting.

Case in point... ANTIFAgs
Francis Parker Yockey August 14, 2017 10:31 PM: Kind of remarkable that so many commenter here will obediently bash da po-po when the legacy media has officially designated some unarmed teen of color as the deserving victim of the moment, yet when the cops engage in an organized attack on a peaceful at right rally? Silence. Hmm...
I. Renarde August 14, 2017 10:39 PM: Andrew Anglin is not even remotely Right. He says he abhors race-mixing, but 4chan revealed him to be a predator of young Filipino girls. He's a creep.

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