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Wednesday, August 02, 2017

YouTube restricts "extremist" content

And by extremist, they don't mean what you might think they mean:
YouTube has been working on ways to manage offensive and extremist content that do and do not violate its policies, and some steps it has taken include AI-assisted video detection and removal as well as input from more experts. Today, in a blog post, the company provided more detail about its ongoing efforts.

First, its machine learning video detection has been hard at work and during the past month over 75 percent of videos taken down because of violent, extremist content were done so without the help of humans. This system has helped YouTube remove twice as many of these sorts of videos. The company has also started working with a number of non-governmental organizations including the Anti-Defamation League, the No Hate Speech Movement and the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. "These organizations bring expert knowledge of complex issues like hate speech, radicalization, and terrorism that will help us better identify content that is being used to radicalize and recruit extremists," said YouTube in the blog post.

For videos that contain "controversial religious or supremacist content" but don't violate any of YouTube's policies, they'll now be placed in a "limited state." YouTube said, "The videos will remain on YouTube behind an interstitial, won't be recommended, won't be monetized, and won't have key features including comments, suggested videos, and likes." It says that the limited state will start being applied to desktop versions in the coming weeks and will hit mobile versions shortly thereafter.

YouTube said that these changes are just the beginning and it will be sharing more about its work in the months ahead. "Altogether, we have taken significant steps over the last month in our fight against online terrorism. But this is not the end. We know there is always more work to be done," it said.
They actually mean people like Dr. Jordan Peterson of the University of Toronto. And, one has to presume, the 36 individuals on the ADL's hit list.
A professor in Canada who refuses to use gender-neutral pronouns and criticizes social justice issues was banned from using his Google and YouTube accounts Tuesday, regaining access hours later with no detailed explanation provided.

Professor Jordan B. Peterson of the University of Toronto disputed Google and YouTube’s decision to lock him out of his accounts, according to correspondence obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation.

“Please tell me what principle I have violated,” said Peterson in his email to Google upon discovering that he was locked out of his account. “I have not violated any terms that I am aware of and have not misused my account.”

The psychology professor has over 350,000 subscribers on his YouTube channel, which he uses as a platform to post his lectures, interviews, and Q&As.

“We understand you’ve recently been unable to access your Google account, and we appreciate you contacting us,” said Google in a response. “After review, your account is not eligible to be reinstated due to a violation of our Terms of Service.”

But Google did not provide any details regarding which rule the professor violated.
The changes are just beginning....

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162 Comments:

Anonymous Chester A. Arthritis August 02, 2017 5:23 AM  

I don't know what's worse - the ADL or the SPLC. Either way, they both do far more harm than the KKK or Nation of Islam or any of the groups they purport to fight.

Blogger weka August 02, 2017 5:23 AM  

It is not just YouTube. It is Google docs and Gmail. They have just destroyed those, plus blogger. For one account rules them all.

Blogger Ceerilan August 02, 2017 5:29 AM  

Looks like the SJW faction in Google is winning.

Anonymous Icicle August 02, 2017 5:29 AM  

How long before "The Jews got them too!" becomes mainstream?

Do you want Hitler again? Because this is how you get Hitler again. I don't want Hitler. He's an idiot.

The fact Google was founded by Jews is really not helping the situation.

Blogger red clock August 02, 2017 5:32 AM  

How can one even begin to fight left-globalists when they have control over everything? God damn thugs, these people, silencing all truth.

And then they pretend to 'fight the power!' or whatever.

Anonymous JAG August 02, 2017 5:42 AM  

Gee, wonder if even some of my gaming vids (that practically nobody watches) are going to get the treatment since some of the footage is "violent".

Anonymous JAG August 02, 2017 5:45 AM  

And also, normally I am against government interference in business, but in this case the converged mega corps need some big brother smack down. Time for utility status. They use infrastructure, and "didn't build that" so they should not be able to silence those who are not adherents of the SJW religion. Bake the damn cake for us you bigots!

Blogger Salt August 02, 2017 5:50 AM  

These organizations bring expert knowledge

Expert knowledge. Who are these experts? Would that be akin to double secret probation?

Blogger VD August 02, 2017 5:52 AM  

Looks like the SJW faction in Google is winning.

It does indeed. This is their reaction to Trump winning. I heard from one guy who works there that the SJWs were frothing-at-the-mouth furious after the election. Naturally, they are doubling down in response.

They'll show that stupid majority that they don't believe exists!

Blogger VD August 02, 2017 5:54 AM  

How can one even begin to fight left-globalists when they have control over everything? God damn thugs, these people, silencing all truth.

They don't have control over everything. What do you think the Second Amendment is for, posting long opinion pieces?

Did you seriously think we were going to be able to talk our way out of this?

Blogger weka August 02, 2017 5:55 AM  

Well fascist left (ADL and SLPC) going to fascist. More importantly, where is the alternatives?

Blogger weka August 02, 2017 5:55 AM  

No. Move our files elsewhere

Blogger JACIII August 02, 2017 5:59 AM  

JAG wrote:And also, normally I am against government interference in business, but in this case the converged mega corps need some big brother smack down. Time for utility status. They use infrastructure, and "didn't build that" so they should not be able to silence those who are not adherents of the SJW religion. Bake the damn cake for us you bigots!

This was my first reaction, too. Utility status grants a kind of perceived legitimacy though. Better to go the monopoly route and break it up.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore August 02, 2017 6:00 AM  

This is both fascinating and depressing. If anything positive is to be derived then it's the reduction of available choices, either fight or not fight.

Blogger Durandel Almiras August 02, 2017 6:02 AM  

What does it take build a counter platform? Could it be a project Counter.Fund could crowd fund (I'm guessing Kickstarter would not allow funds to be raised for an AltTube)? Video is a great platform that reaches the young better than blogs and Facebook, let alone books, so creating a free speech video platform is important.

Aside, why did Russia ban VPNs? I get why China doesn't want them but not Russia.

Blogger bw August 02, 2017 6:04 AM  

This is the very reason they ever allowed it - for a time - in the first place

Anonymous Steve August 02, 2017 6:04 AM  

Google has more than enough market share in search, video, and mobile OS to qualify as a monopoly.

This is stifling innovation and consumer choice.

Trust bust them.

Blogger bw August 02, 2017 6:06 AM  

Better to go the monopoly route and break it up

Right. Like Standard Oi.........

Blogger James Dixon August 02, 2017 6:06 AM  

> The changes are just beginning....

I noticed yesterday that Google refused to provide a link to taadd when I searched for it. Probably part of their "anti-piracy" initiative. Duck Duck Go provided it as the top result.

Anonymous Rocklea August 02, 2017 6:07 AM  

If 'Muh Russia' is true, where's mah PutinTube?

Blogger Gapeseed August 02, 2017 6:12 AM  

Seems like Steve Bannon is listening -

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/steve-bannon-google-facebook/535473/?utm_source=atlfb

Blogger bw August 02, 2017 6:15 AM  

Google did not provide any details regarding which rule the professor violated

Well, by all means, allow us:

#RealTalk

Anonymous Icicle August 02, 2017 6:16 AM  

Can't Ban Bannon the Cannon.

Anonymous Lawyer Guy August 02, 2017 6:24 AM  

I am pretty good friends with a Jew at the office. He has not made the trip yet and I strongly suggested he and his kids go soon and get the passport.

The pushback won't be this year, but it is on the horizon.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 02, 2017 6:25 AM  

Its no coincidence that demonetization really took off after Trump's election.

Blogger VD August 02, 2017 6:53 AM  

Not at all. I had heard from a Trump supporter there that the open hate for everyone who voted for him was off the charts. He said that if anyone found out he'd voted for Trump, he'd be out by the end of the day.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera August 02, 2017 6:55 AM  

Why on earth would the Jews choose 2017 as the year to go all in? I'm starting to think Freud was right about death wishes.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables August 02, 2017 6:57 AM  

So their cover story is they tried to take down ISIS decapitation recruiting videos, but took down Dr. Peterson lectures instead?

It is well past time to make google bake the damn cake or more likely broken into 100 little pieces. I think google's youtube wing alone should be trust busted into at least 8 competing pieces.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 02, 2017 6:57 AM  

Most cycles Google donations go 97% Dem, 3% 3rd party. Rep funding has normally rounded down to 0. It's not hostile territory; it's a hostile nation.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 02, 2017 7:00 AM  

It does indeed. This is their reaction to Trump winning. I heard from one guy who works there that the SJWs were frothing-at-the-mouth furious after the election. Naturally, they are doubling down in response.

Not at all. I had heard from a Trump supporter there that the open hate for everyone who voted for him was off the charts. He said that if anyone found out he'd voted for Trump, he'd be out by the end of the day.

Next time a cuck uses the old line "it's just a business decision. They are just trying to appeal to the widest audience." they need to be smacked in the face.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables August 02, 2017 7:02 AM  

Or perhaps a $60 billion/year 'trust tax' for failing to prove they provide equal access. Tax the rich, amirite?

Kind of like going after every movie studio to tax fraud for the 'hollywood accounting'

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2017 7:02 AM  

I had to deal with (or try to deal with) Google several years ago, when a client's web site simply dropped off Google's search engine results, causing a more than 50% drop in traffic (and thus in revenue).

It took a while to get a response from a human being at all. Then, they not only refused to tell us what rule the site had violated; they refused to admit the site was being penalized at all. They kept pointing us to their documentation on how to improve your rankings, as if we'd just slid a few spots and could fix it by moving some content above the fold or something. It was infuriating.

That situation wasn't even political, but it showed that they already then considered themselves "above the law" and having no responsibility to justify their choices. (The content provider is not their customer; he is their product, which they can choose whether to promote or suppress as they see fit.) Now they're applying that decade-old policy to their political views.

It's worse than dealing with the state. If the state charges you with a crime, you have the right to face your accuser, the right to know the charges, etc. You have none of that with these companies. As with the response Vox got from Vid.me, they can just say, "You're out, sucker. Enjoy this snarky rejection in lieu of a reason." Or, as we found with Google, they can refuse to give an answer at all.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 02, 2017 7:02 AM  

And yet conservatives will still defend corporations.

Big business is your enemy folks. They are the ones who finance and promote the poz, outsource your jobs and push for the importation of colonists and invaders.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 02, 2017 7:03 AM  

@28 Basket of Deplorables

No one wants to admit that YouTube has been a disaster since Google bought them. The YouTube founders made a video social media platform; Google made it a global ad hoc TV system. The latter makes Google more money, and they want to invest as little money as possible into staffing. The biggest YouTubers barely have the ability to contact someone from YouTube. Any other company would have Brand Managers that could easily keep the top talent connected and taken care of, but Google pretty much doesn't.

If you think of YouTube has a Newspaper that a conglomerate owns, you get the understanding for how Google has used it for a while. Everything is automated (that's fine), but they never admit fault or warn that issues will crop up.

And, yes, they'll make special exceptions to boot out those that go against the Narrative. Because they feel like they're Masters of the Universe, while actually being mostly incompetent when you push a few buttons.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 02, 2017 7:11 AM  

We all knew this coming.

As soon as they announced their YouTube Heroes (AKA We Invite SJWs to Censor our Content) program. The end was in sight.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 02, 2017 7:18 AM  

OT: Tired yet?

Blogger Edward Trimnell August 02, 2017 7:22 AM  

YouTube's management is SJW-converged, and there is an SJW contingent among the user base. But the other side of the story is that many of the fastest growing YouTube channels feature conservative/right-leaning content. (For example, check out Hunter Avallone, Steven Crowder, and the The Roaming Milennial. And there are *many* more.)

I'm sure this drives YouTube's management nuts, but they are now dependent on right-leaning creators to draw in viewers.

I am eagerly awaiting the Vox Populi YouTube channel. Just imagine how you could eviscerate the latest Scalzi nonsense everyday on video. You could destroy every stupid Scalzi tweet in detail. The little man from Ohio would never again venture off his compound.

Anonymous glosoli August 02, 2017 7:24 AM  

Firstly, I'd be really pissed off if they removed Jordan Peterson's videos, as I only just discovered him (via a Gabber) this week, and he seems to be worth watching.

Secondly, if google own Blogger too, how does this blog and others like it escape deletion?

Thirdly, for the near future, I think we will see the Fed and most other central banks engage in more massive QE as the economy turns down (trillions more), and they will start buying huge equity stakes in companies like Alphabet, Facebook, and most major global corporations. Eventually there'll be a virtual merger of the state and big business, and global welfare, as mandated by the UN. All at the same time that nationalist fervour is being stoked, and Radical Islam is set up to be the fall guy this time. (((They learned a lesson))).

So, global National Socialism, and with the US dollar collapsed, the US will fall in line with a different structure at the UN, where the Chinese and Russians (both Nazi states) will rule the globe.

Remember where you read that first. Don't bother fighting at all, it'll be out of the frying pan into the fire.

Blogger Charles Martel August 02, 2017 7:25 AM  

@36

Prediction: If the apparatchiks at Justice Dept. don't kill it then the (((Supreme Court))) will.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2017 7:26 AM  

Its no coincidence that demonetization really took off after Trump's election.

Nope. I've been saying this for a while about Facebook and Twitter, but it applies equally well to Google:

Imagine that you're a billionaire owner of a big social media company. You're also a leftist, so you want your site to advance leftist policies. But lately some right-wingers have been using your site to advance their ideas, and they're getting pretty good at it. You try subtle methods of suppressing and marginalizing them, but it seems like everything you do just makes them stronger. You set up systems to try to control them, and they find ways to game the systems and turn them against you. They're still a minority, but growing, and you can't stop them within the current system as it exists.

How long will you let this go on? Will you, a die-hard leftist, say, "Well, that's unfortunate, but I'm dedicated to the free exchange of ideas, so if they win, so be it"? Hell no. You're not going to remain high-mindedly "fair" while your site is used against your ideology. Zuckerberg isn't going to sit quietly by as Facebook is used to get the Wall built and undo everything for which he's poured money into his open borders foundation FWD.us.

They'd rather burn the whole thing down than let it be taken over by their enemies. It's not like they need the money. But there's a better option: drop the pretense of caring about free speech, and get serious about suppressing the dissenters they don't like. So that's what's happening, and it was inevitable.

The election of Donald Trump made them realize that having a lighter touch, tweaking algorithms around the edges or pushing hashtags off the trending list, isn't enough to stop the right. Whatever they try to do in that regard can be gamed. Trump's victory convinced them that they have no choice but to indulge their tyrannical impulses.

Blogger Ransom Smith August 02, 2017 7:27 AM  

That's a nice big company you have there. Would be a shame if anti trust lawsuits suddenly were filed.

Big tech doesn't realize but the GE has them over a barrel. He could kill them overnight if he truly wished.

I worked in retail for the longest time. There's not as much love for these companies as one night think. I've heard a fair bit of hatred for Google, Apple, Microsoft , etc.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2017 7:31 AM  

Next time a cuck uses the old line "it's just a business decision.

No kidding. "Follow the money" is a good rule of thumb for many situations, but not all. Ideology often trumps the profit motive, especially for people who are so wealthy that the money is just about bragging rights anyway. They'd rather brag about their political conquests, if they have to choose between that and making a few more millions.

Blogger Charles Martel August 02, 2017 7:31 AM  

'...We know there is always more work to be done," it said.'

"It"

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 02, 2017 7:34 AM  

glosoli wrote:Secondly, if google own Blogger too, how does this blog and others like it escape deletion?

It doesn't, but VD has stated many times that he has a back up site on another provider that he will fail over to in the event that happens.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 02, 2017 7:35 AM  

I wonder if this AI video detection took down any left wing videos that later had to be reinstated. I also wonder how many Islamic extremist videos it left untouched. I would guess it was designed to catch murders and rapes, porn and any political thought to the right of Lindsay Graham.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 02, 2017 7:35 AM  

@39

That it's happening at all is what's important. Now, everyone who A.) wants to assert that discrimination against Whites (and Asians) is not possible; and, B.) everyone that asserts the very idea of discrimination against Whites is White Supremacist in itself will eagerly step forward to virtue signal.

And -- at this point -- what could be better than if it were shot down...?


Anonymous Casual August 02, 2017 7:39 AM  

It's not surprising at all that they'd choose to destroy themselves over allowing badthink on their platforms. Tech is almost completely pozzed as it is, which is why stuff like Infogalactic is so important.

If they'll do this to your youtube and gmail accounts, what's to stop them from kicking companies off G-Suite that they don't agree with? I'll be advising all my clients against utilizing Google services going forward.

Blogger Charles Martel August 02, 2017 7:41 AM  

This is another step in the strategy to nuke any signs of emerging strength in the goy counter-narrative.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 02, 2017 7:41 AM  

This policy is directed at the... Well, medium fries as opposed to the small fries.

Lets take Sargon of Akkad who probably will get hit by this eventually. If last week was anything to go by, he gets about a million views a week, that equates to roughly a thousand dollars.

$52,000 is certainly enough to live on. $0.00 is not.

The problem is financing an alternative platform.

YouTube is expensive to run. It's annual revenue is estimated at 10 billion but it doesn't appear to turn much of profit.

Mind you once Convergence really gets underway it's going to start being run strictly at a loss.

At that point it comes down to the attitude of the BOD, are they cool with losing billions in the name of Social Justice?

Or are the institutional investors going to be pissed about it?

I wish the answer was obvious but it's not anymore.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 02, 2017 7:42 AM  

My brother worked for Google for a minute. He says, "it was like working with a bunch of psychopathic teletubbies".

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2017 7:45 AM  

Secondly, if google own Blogger too, how does this blog and others like it escape deletion?

Because they're still in the transition stage between, "We love free speech and the open exchange of ideas, so we welcome everyone who isn't doing something outright illegal," and, "Stamp out the unbeliever!" They're not ready to show their full hand yet, so they're putting their efforts where they can have the most effect. That's not Blogger.

Also, it's far easier to move a blog than it is to move one's presence away from YouTube, since there aren't many other options like YouTube. No one finds Vox because he's on Blogger the way people find videos because they're on YouTube and come up in the recommendations. If they shut Vox down here, it will cause a few days of inconvenience, and then he'll be back up and running somewhere else, with the only lasting effect of pissing us all off. There just isn't much gain in it for them. But killing someone's popular YouTube channel could effectively shut that person down for a long time, maybe for good.

Anonymous Rocklea August 02, 2017 7:45 AM  

"What does it take build a counter platform? Could it be a project Counter.Fund could crowd fund (I'm guessing Kickstarter would not allow funds to be raised for an AltTube)? Video is a great platform that reaches the young better than blogs and Facebook, let alone books, so creating a free speech video platform is important."

Infowars- despite being heavily civic nationalists. Jones has a sizeable operation, he used to run CDNs for prisonplanet.tv (I am assuming he still does) and is pig headed enough to want to take this on. His argument; a good one; has always been to take the fight to the enemy on their own platforms, while at the same time building parallel platforms in case things like this happen. The trick will be making it profitable, his systems are for infowars content, in order to open it up and have others use it, it would have to be user pays I would think. However he is in the process of setting up his own media/tv/internet empire, so it may be too much for his organisation to handle. Also the CDNs would be offsite hosted, so the host would need to be non-converged, which isn't a given. Could also lead to alt light going alt right as the heat on him would be huge and I think Trump would have his back.

Add to all this DNS addressing and it's fun times. Don't know much about the dark web but it may be essential soon. If ISPs start blocking ip's, what alternatives are there?

I wonder if there will be snappy uniforms this time. Zyklon will not be happy.

Blogger VD August 02, 2017 7:47 AM  

If they shut Vox down here, it will cause a few days of inconvenience, and then he'll be back up and running somewhere else, with the only lasting effect of pissing us all off.

More like about 45 minutes. We've been ready for that scenario for years.

Blogger Cataline Sergius August 02, 2017 7:50 AM  

For the moment I think their inclination to excesses can be limited if Trump leans on them only a little.

Just threaten them with FCC oversight.

Right now, they'll fold if that happens.

Blogger Orville August 02, 2017 7:55 AM  

'No prejudice here. The AI impartially decided your blog was a menace.'

I'm pissed and polarized and ready to take the war to the financial level by supporting various alt-right projects. Skin in the game as Taleb says.

I'm a monthly supporter of GAB. I'd gladly pay to support the development of Alt-Tube.

Blogger VD August 02, 2017 7:58 AM  

What does it take build a counter platform?

A very rich man willing to lose a lot of money indefinitely.

Anonymous Rocklea August 02, 2017 7:59 AM  

"I'd gladly pay to support the development of Alt-Tube."

PutinTube; for Kek

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2017 7:59 AM  

It's not surprising at all that they'd choose to destroy themselves over allowing badthink on their platforms.

Right. And turn it around: If I owned a night club and I discovered that it was becoming a popular hangout for gays, where they were renting rooms to hold gay weddings and meetings of their gay advocacy groups, and there was really sick stuff going on in the restrooms, and Antifa and BLM were also starting to use it as a base of operations.... Would I say, "Well, they're not doing anything illegal, so I guess there's nothing I can do, and I'm the owner of a gay bar and leftist stronghold now"? Of course not, I'd sooner close the place.

But before resorting to that, I'd try to get rid of them -- subtly at first, then less so.

Blogger Dirtnapninja August 02, 2017 8:03 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:This policy is directed at the... Well, medium fries as opposed to the small fries.

Lets take Sargon of Akkad who probably will get hit by this eventually. If last week was anything to go by, he gets about a million views a week, that equates to roughly a thousand dollars.


The irony is that this will hit the more moderate factions of the dissident right, guys like Sargon or the alt-lite folks. The hard core alt-right like TRS already have their alternative platforms. People looking for alt content will still find it, but they will now directly bypass the now purged moderates and go right to the radicals.

Blogger Orville August 02, 2017 8:04 AM  

What about a more distributed system. Keep your vids on your own hosting platform (yeah, your hosting costs may go up due to bandwidth usage, but so what). Then have a cataloging site (search engine- Infogalactic or GAB even) where people can like (rank) and monetize links back to the distributed hosting.

Anonymous Sensei August 02, 2017 8:05 AM  

With this news it's officially time to build some resilience, I'm overly fragile to google services. Brave seems to be the most popular alt browser option, what else are people using?

Blogger Orville August 02, 2017 8:07 AM  

Slightly OT - what's up with Brave? That thing is routinely eating all my memory. Right now I've got 10 Brave.exe processes open using nearly a half Gig of memory combined.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 02, 2017 8:09 AM  

Hopefully, they will perfect this AI thing and apply it to gmail. It will be like having your very own ADL member to read and censor your email.

Anonymous Rocklea August 02, 2017 8:09 AM  

"Right. And turn it around: If I owned a night club and I discovered that it was becoming a popular hangout for gays, where they were renting rooms to hold gay weddings and meetings of their gay advocacy groups, and there was really sick stuff going on in the restrooms, and Antifa and BLM were also starting to use it as a base of operations.... Would I say, "Well, they're not doing anything illegal, so I guess there's nothing I can do, and I'm the owner of a gay bar and leftist stronghold now"? Of course not, I'd sooner close the place.

But before resorting to that, I'd try to get rid of them -- subtly at first, then less so."

The bifurcation is huge and perhaps insurmountable. In The Mission Earth series L Ron Hubbard suggested sending them all to an island. Don't get any ideas, Australia's off limits.

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 02, 2017 8:11 AM  

Someone mentioned PutinTube. Doesn't Yandex host videos?

Anonymous Bobby Farr August 02, 2017 8:14 AM  

Never mind. Yandex doesn't host.

Blogger Cecil Henry August 02, 2017 8:15 AM  


Every authoritarian state always begins by silencing all criticism of its doctrine but it's never just to be mean.


It ALWAYS gives a Reason.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2017 8:22 AM  

@60 Orville,

Something like that is probably coming, although that still allows for a single point of failure at the catalog site. Not as disastrous as having all your videos taken down entirely, but still bad.

I do think a different model is coming, because the YouTube model requires a massive amount of money, and there's still no guarantee that it will succeed because it won't have the advantage of being first. I don't know what that new model will be, though. The more distributed the better, but that makes it harder to do and harder to figure a way to make it profitable.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 02, 2017 8:23 AM  

More evidence GOOGL is near its apogee.

Nothing sets up failure like success, and smug arrogance behind a monolithic wall is about as big a signal of success as can be imagined.

Anonymous Rocklea August 02, 2017 8:31 AM  

I remember Nokia, but many don't.

Here lies Google

"Don't be Evil"

It tried....

1998 to 201?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents August 02, 2017 8:33 AM  

Google going after YouTube rather than Blogger makes sense in another way. Millennials and Z's are much more video oriented than text oriented. Suppressing badthink in YouTube video acts as a firebreak, suppressing it in Blogger just ticks off X'rs and Boomers.

On the other hand, passing subversive text around is a whole lot easier than trying to samizdat video.

Blogger dvdivx August 02, 2017 8:33 AM  

Violence to a SJW dies not mean violence. It means making an "oppressed minority" look bad.

Anonymous Anonymous August 02, 2017 8:47 AM  

The very first thing the ADL ever did was rush to the defense of Leo Frank, a man guilty of raping and murdering a 13 year old girl, and they've become worse with every passing year.

Blogger Duke Norfolk August 02, 2017 8:48 AM  

Icicle wrote:Do you want Hitler again? Because this is how you get Hitler again.

I now understand so much of history much better these days.

Anonymous Nick August 02, 2017 8:49 AM  

Vox you mentioned Vimeo. For what it's worth, Nick Krauser, the PUA, had his account suspended because of the content. Last I checked he was using Kajabi.

Creating an alternative to YouTube is going to be a big challenge, millions to even get your feet wet and billions to even hope to compete. The main thing is to have a platform that isn't converged. Conservative billionaires don't part with their money easily.

For anyone looking for a Gmail alternative I use Fastmail, it's very good and you don't get your email scanned and sold for marketing purposes. Costs about $50/year, well worth it.

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 02, 2017 8:52 AM  

@weka
"Well fascist left (ADL and SLPC) going to fascist."

This is DR3-TIER rhetoric. They're not fascists. They're Communists.

Anonymous Looking Glass August 02, 2017 8:52 AM  

It should be noted there are creator-run alternatives being actively developed right now. The big players on YouTube understand they're at the whim of a terribly stupid company, so they've been putting plans into place. At least one of them I know about is up & running well, but still in the early stages of a rollout. So some of that is coming.

The issue is an independent Payment system, if we're honest. "Microtransaction all the things!" is clearly where this is all headed. Whoever can make a "wallet" that's independent of the medium (think PayPal but they're only a middleman not a payment processor), you can start to see where Internet 3.0 is going.

By self-interest alone, large groups are moving for very different reasons to work around the Corporate Model that's developing. (Granted, it's been developed with massive inflation & funny money.) You can see something like "Vessel", which got bought before it got too useful, as an abortive attempt at where this is going.

A YouTube replacement really isn't possible because the loss-generating aspect is all of the videos that go up, not the big people. I imagine most videos get less than 1k views for their life time. That's the problem. 10 hour long versions of repeated videos serve no purpose but to eat up disk space & bandwidth.

A replacement would want to do something tied to accounts + IPs: 50 videos of 720p or less quality for free. After that, only 360p video without upgrading your account. Users have to pay to get access to above 1080p video, Creators get a cut of revenue from the views they generate by subscription. Also allow specific-user subscriptions in something like a Patreon model with "special" content.

Can't implement that on YouTube, now, as everyone is used to the completely "free" aspect. It's basically the "free parking" problem, on the Internet.

Anonymous Anonymous August 02, 2017 8:59 AM  

"ISIS decapitation recruiting videos, but took down Dr. Peterson lectures instead"

Going after Peterson, not ISIS, makes perfect sense if you understand what they consider to be valid criteria for judging art, science, government and personal conduct.

Beauty, truth, justice and honor are not valid criteria.

The only valid criteria is "Is it good for the Jews".

ISIS fights Iran - good for the Jews.

Peterson resists the ritual humiliation of academia - not good for the Jews.

Blogger Shimshon August 02, 2017 8:59 AM  

The coming financial downturn will likely help the process along. Can Google afford to subsidize Youtube to the tune of $2B annually when their stock price starts falling, and keeps falling? The subsidy might decline too, but that means there will still be an opening.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan August 02, 2017 8:59 AM  

Reading Drudge left hand column it seems that Silicon execs are living the bubble, masters of the universe bubble to be exact.

Bust em up and let the left defend their 0.0001% lifestyles.

Anonymous Raker Tooth August 02, 2017 9:00 AM  

@20
I've been looking into Russian internet some over the last several years. They have significant online resources. I have an account at VK, which is their largest social media platform; and an account with Yandex, which is their largest search engine. I'm in a hurry right now, so I'll look into it more this evening; but I'm sure there are options. It looks like VK has a "full" (paid?) membership which allows for uploading videos, but more this evening. Several years ago, you could get a site hosted in Moscow, but with the sanctions, it's very difficult to make payments now.
I've also heard of a hosting company in Iceland called 1984, that's supposed to be committed to free speech.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 02, 2017 9:01 AM  

Is youtube-esque video our modern form of political pamphleteering?

Maybe, maybe not. I am reluctant to suggest that the economies of scale problem with high tech is tantamount to a monopoly on the printing press in earlier times.

Hubris almost always precedes reversal of fortune. Prechter calls the belief that groups of men can control the tides of finance, economy, politics & society "The Potent Directors Fallacy."

Those running GOOFL, richer than kings of yore, imagine themselves more powerful than the pitiful whores begging for reelection campaign donations from Capitol Hill. From Nancy Pelosi to Paul Ryan, these self-imaged Masters of the Universe have legions of kneeling supplicants thirsty for whatever gold the Masters deign to shower on them.

It's all a hall of mirrors. The value & wealth exist ONLY as long as this Hindenburg of pathological trust floats higher.

I have no idea when, but someday (not) soon enough this seemingly permanent condition will be inverted, and the ensuing set of conditions will be astonishingly different, if not almost alien.

Blogger James Dixon August 02, 2017 9:01 AM  

> If ISPs start blocking ip's, what alternatives are there?

As long as they don't re-route dns traffic, you're fine. You can use any dns server you choose. Right now the most popular alternatives seem to be Google and OpenDNS: http://www.snaphow.com/4402/list-of-top-4-alternative-dns-servers-to-your-isp/

I personally have no interest in a service such as Scrubit, but I can see why some folks might.

There are lots of options to choose from, but it might be time to look at setting one up that makes a point of not blocking sites and allows easy replication so it could be replaced quickly. It would have to be set up outside the US to avoid US court ordered blocks though.

Blogger dc.sunsets August 02, 2017 9:06 AM  

@ Shimson, agreed. The "cash hordes" of AAPL, GOOGL, etc., continuously described in financial news is nothing but the DEBT INSTRUMENTS OF OTHER (OFTEN SIMILAR) FIRMS.

I use the Hindenburg metaphor often, and for what I believe is good reason.

Now where's a good spark?

Blogger Aaron Swenson August 02, 2017 9:12 AM  

The more (((they))) silence people on the internet, the more (((they))) push those people (and their "dangerous" ideas) into the physical world. There, (((they))) have even less control. Win/win, IMHO.

Anonymous Peter August 02, 2017 9:12 AM  

Your wonder about free speech and the internet. The internet is NOT the town square where one might traditional stand and shout your opinions. Almost all of the internet is privately owned; all these sites belong to someone - sometimes its financial, and other times is just by creation. Lets use the example of a common blog -- the "owner" of the blog can moderate and even ban people from posting (we have seen it here) -- so I am not surprised that it can happen on youtube, facebook etc .. its a commercial interest, someone owns it, and to own something is to control it.

Now what about the backbone of the internet ? Today in the US its owned by large companies like ATT, Quest, Sprint, global etc (Tier 1 guys) -- if they wanted to, they too could prevent any person/company/view on the internet as well. We already see this effect in action and there's little or anything one can really do about this.

Would the alt right exist without the internet -- absolutely not -- that was makes it possible. But the internet is also what allows our jobs to be outsourced, global trade, financial services... so its question as to what you want more -- if you want the internet and its porn, online gaming, instant gratification , online purchases for around the world then you have to accept being controlled. That was the plan all along.

Blogger James Dixon August 02, 2017 9:14 AM  

> In The Mission Earth series L Ron Hubbard suggested sending them all to an island.

Antarctica is an island.

Fastmail now owns Pobox.com, but it still operates independently. They simply receive your email and forward it to whatever address(es) you want. They charge $20/year. I've been a satisfied customer since the late 90's.

> The issue is an independent Payment system, if we're honest.

That's where Brave hopes to enter the picture.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2017 9:17 AM  

It's basically the "free parking" problem, on the Internet.

Yes. It's been very nice and very convenient to have all these free services to use, letting them deal with the headaches of bandwidth and DOS attacks and so on. But they didn't provide those out of altruism. They did it to gain market dominance, and ultimately, for the ad revenue. But online ads are a bubble that's been trying to pop for a long time now. Add to that SJW convergence, and the easy free stuff isn't going to last.

So people will have to get used to paying a little for their online services, like the email service Nick mentioned for $50/year. That would have seemed impossible in the past; only established content providers like the New York Times could get away with it. But I think now people are getting used to paying for things like phone apps and songs on iTunes, so it doesn't seem so ridiculous to think people might pay a few bucks to subscribe to a video series or podcast. It just has to be very convenient to pay and not expensive enough to hurt -- and of course the content has to be worth it.

Blogger Shimshon August 02, 2017 9:24 AM  

Google et al will not like it if (or perhaps when) Trump turns the tables on Net Neutrality and uses the argument against them to justify a common carrier declaration, instead of forcing ISPs to subsidize freeloaders like Netflix.

Blogger Troy Lee Messer August 02, 2017 9:28 AM  

General Motors used to be king of the dogpile. I remember the same thing for Microsoft, AOL, and Yahoo.

They lost thier their positions through the mere evolution of technology. Youtube and Google, however, are making enemies. Enemies that have wills. Their demise will come sooner than later.

Blogger Salt August 02, 2017 9:33 AM  

Dr. Peterson's YouTube is back up.

Anonymous HSolo August 02, 2017 9:33 AM  

"They don't have control over everything. What do you think the Second Amendment is for, posting long opinion pieces?

Did you seriously think we were going to be able to talk our way out of this?"

Yes, let's take up arms against YouTube! You can fire emojis at them. Good Lord!

The reason a companies like Google, Amazon, and Apple treat extremist views and extremist people with contempt and devalue their goods, services and content is because in the end they answer to a large constituency of consumers who either don't like, don't care or can't stand the views expressed by anti-semites, bigots, and misogynists. The number of users who like to confront the views of anti-semites, bigots and misogynists is so small there is literally no loss in throwing them over board, and doing so publicly.

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 9:37 AM  

@33. Dirtnapninja

And yet conservatives will still defend corporations.

Big business is your enemy folks.


Big business is indeed the number one enemy. But you'll never convince the cucks. It's hard enough even to convince people who lean towards the alt-right.

If Trump doesn't confront the totalitarian tech sector then his presidency is going to end in abject failure and we;'re going to end up in an even worse place than we would have been in had Hillary won.. This is the one fight he has to win. And I doubt that he will even try.

Totalitarianism is no longer a danger on the horizon. It's arrived. And it's Silicon Valley that has brought it about.

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 9:42 AM  

@42. Cail Corishev

Ideology often trumps the profit motive, especially for people who are so wealthy that the money is just about bragging rights anyway.

This is the thing that most people on the right just don't get. Billionaires don't care about money. They have all the money they will ever need. They care about power. Big business doesn't care about money. They have all the money they will ever need. They care about power.

Anonymous fop August 02, 2017 9:42 AM  

As long as World Star Hip Hop doesn't get taken down.

Anonymous Pozz Inc. August 02, 2017 9:45 AM  

https://www.dailystormer.com/its-happening-google-puts-anti-defamation-league-and-the-european-union-in-charge-of-regulating-youtube/

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 9:48 AM  

@44. basementhomebrewer

It doesn't, but VD has stated many times that he has a back up site on another provider that he will fail over to in the event that happens.

Every dissident blogger with any sense has such a backup option. But when we're forced to move to the backup site we will lose part of our audience. And that's what it's all about. They don't have to silence us. They just have to marginalise us. All the have to do is to make sure we get no access to the platforms that will allow us to reach a significant audience.

Gab is a great example. Yes, it's an alternative to Twitter, if you don't mind moving to a platform that reaches about 0.1 percent of the audience that Twitter reaches. And what that means is that we have no means of reaching the normies. We're just preaching to the converted. We don't need to be silenced - it's enough to ensure that we're simply reduced to irrelevance.

Anonymous Rocklea August 02, 2017 9:50 AM  

"The number of users who like to confront the views of anti-semites, bigots and misogynists is so small there is literally no loss in throwing them over board, and doing so publicly."

So it's snappy uniforms then, Hugo Boss?

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 9:51 AM  

@47. Casual

It's not surprising at all that they'd choose to destroy themselves over allowing badthink on their platforms

The idea that they're destroying themselves by doing this is pure wishful thinking. So maybe they will lose 0.01 percent of their user base, or 0.01 percent of their audience. They don't care. They won't even notice.

Blogger Cail Corishev August 02, 2017 9:55 AM  

Your wonder about free speech and the internet.

No we don't. We know private companies have no obligation to allow free speech. And yes, everything online is owned by someone. As the T-shirt I've been meaning to get says, "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer."

But up until recently, it behooved these companies to be as open to whatever as possible, short of illegal activities they could be liable for. That meant less stuff to monitor and fewer people to hire to do it. And it helped them appeal to Americans who generally do have a blurry vision of the line between public and private in terms of where your rights stand. So there was a time when they resisted attempts to turn them into gatekeepers.

Now SJW concerns are overruling that one, so it no longer makes sense to them to be so open. We don't have a "right" to demand that they continue as they have, but we do have a right to complain and point out to their users that they are no longer what they pretended to be.

As for your contention that this was planned all along: no it wasn't. Commercial traffic on the Internet wasn't even technically legal until the mid-1990s; before that, separate networks like CIX were being built to run alongside the non-commercial NFSNet. The Internet didn't become a household thing because The Planners had nefarious plans for it decades in advance. It happened because a lot of computer hobbyists said, "Wow, this is really cool that I can connect to other computers. What cool stuff can we do with this?"

You raise a good point I was thinking of: we haven't heard from the backbone or big hosting companies yet, as far as I know. How converged are they? Let's say you decide to cut loose from Big Social, so you rent yourself a VPS, run your own web server, mail server, video streaming, mailing list, the whole shebang. It's a lot more trouble, but you're truly independent.

Then some SJW looks up your IP address, sees that you have a Hostgator server, and contacts an SJW friend at Hostgator. Next thing you know, your VPS is gone, swept away into the ether, with a snarky note of regret that you violated one of the undefinable terms of service. So maybe you go really old-school and run your own physical server out of your home, which connects to the net via AT&T. Now the SJW calls a friend at AT&T.....

If that happens, we go back to the early 1990s plan of building a new Internet, but with much better tools.

Anonymous Rocklea August 02, 2017 10:03 AM  

"The idea that they're destroying themselves by doing this is pure wishful thinking. So maybe they will lose 0.01 percent of their user base, or 0.01 percent of their audience. They don't care. They won't even notice."

Alex Jones, granted known for truthful hyperbole, has said in meetings with youtube he was shown an aggregate of all his channels and others that repost his work. 5 Billion views. 3 years ago now. RT recently said they have 4 billion views, claiming to be the most viewed news outlet. Big fish to be sure. However they will not stop with the minnows. And they will notice.

Anonymous Rfvujm August 02, 2017 10:03 AM  

If you'd prefer to direct complaints to them in person, they are a VERY short drive from SFO:

YouTube
901 Cherry Ave
San Bruno, CA 94066

Blogger mushroom August 02, 2017 10:06 AM  

"Doin' right ain't got no end."
The SJWs will never be satisfied with what they have so long as the rest of us have anything.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer August 02, 2017 10:07 AM  

Cail Corishev wrote:If that happens, we go back to the early 1990s plan of building a new Internet, but with much better tools.

I think shooting starts about that time.

Blogger Nate Winchester August 02, 2017 10:08 AM  

Jim's video on it.
https://youtu.be/DQ8RIAHx5TI

And they decided to pick on based dad? Time to riot, people.

Blogger James Dixon August 02, 2017 10:08 AM  

> If Trump doesn't confront the totalitarian tech sector then his presidency is going to end in abject failure and we;'re going to end up in an even worse place than we would have been in had Hillary won

If Hillary had won we'd probably already be at war with Russia and probably in a civil war by the end of her first term. We may still get there, but it's hard to get worse than that.

> The idea that they're destroying themselves by doing this is pure wishful thinking.

So how is your MySpace page doing these days? How about those searches on AltaVista? And I'm sure you're still checking your mail on AOL every day.

Anonymous RedSector August 02, 2017 10:24 AM  

"If that happens, we go back to the early 1990s plan of building a new Internet, but with much better tools."

How does that happen? It's one thing to build a better Twitterbook or Facescope within existing infrastructure, but do we need to start stringing our own physical cables? Using FCC controlled broadcast spectrum?

So how do we build a completely separate Internet II? Quantum entanglement? Tin cans and string? Pony Express? LOS optics?

This is the future some of the cyberpunk writers warned about. Private corporations as the gatekeepers to all mass communications. At some point it becomes indistinguishable from government control. What they got wrong was depicting a weak government instead of the crony corporatism we wound up with.

If "but muh Constitution!" is going to lead inevitably to any voices of dissent reduced to shouting on street corners (until the police arrive in their Google donated self driving cars to shut things down), then maybe we need to rethink some things. Yes, heresy, I know. Don't care.

Anonymous Rocklea August 02, 2017 10:25 AM  

"So how is your MySpace page doing these days? How about those searches on AltaVista? And I'm sure you're still checking your mail on AOL every day."

Netscape was my search engine of choice back in the day. Dial up 56k.

Anonymous Frank the Tank August 02, 2017 10:26 AM  

Even my normie friends on Faceberg are talking about "the Jews" at the ADL and SPLC. These are the same tea-tard goys who used to worship Glenn Beck. The tide is turning, fam. No longer can the Jew cry out in pain as he shuts down your social media. The goyim know.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 02, 2017 10:37 AM  

For the fence sitters and wallflowers:

It is time to talk to Normies. If you're not doing at least that, you are part of the problem.

Blogger pnq8787 August 02, 2017 10:45 AM  

So once again we see how powerfull the Jews are. They control the media and hence the popular narrative. They use this to invade our minds and deconstruct our nations. And so on and so forth ad infinitum. Every move we make the Jews cock block us. The whole thing is becoming kinda tedious actually. In 2020 I'm going to be really tempted to either not vote or vote Democrat just to make the fall come faster so we can get this shit over with.



Anonymous Stirner August 02, 2017 10:45 AM  

Developing an Alt Tech alternative for YouTube is challenging, but possible. The big problem is the massive hosting and bandwidth costs for all of that video content. That is too much for a scrappy Alt Tech newcomer to handle, unless they were backed by a backer with very deep pockets.

But with new distributed video tech, deep pockets might not be necessary.

Bitchute is a model for what can be achieved: https://www.bitchute.com/

In the browser, it is just another video sharing website, but on the technical backend, it uses WebTorrent to stream the video content. Bitchute is only a centralized hub on the web - the video content itself is streamed seamlessly in the background from other users of the platform who have previously viewed the files. Basically, it is webified peer to peer video sharing.

This could cut the hosting and bandwidth costs for a YouTube alternative dramatically. Develop a decent ad program and a superior revenue sharing system, and it becomes possible to start attracting a critical mass of Youtubers over to a new platform.

WebTorrent is open source, so the tools are just laying around for the next Alt Tech entrepreneur.
https://webtorrent.io/faq

Blogger VD August 02, 2017 10:48 AM  

The reason a companies like Google, Amazon, and Apple treat extremist views and extremist people with contempt and devalue their goods, services and content is because in the end they answer to a large constituency of consumers who either don't like, don't care or can't stand the views expressed by anti-semites, bigots, and misogynists. The number of users who like to confront the views of anti-semites, bigots and misogynists is so small there is literally no loss in throwing them over board, and doing so publicly.

That's what they said about talk radio and Fox News too. No wonder you morons are surprised every single time. You're just delusional.

Blogger Aeoli Pera August 02, 2017 10:54 AM  

I can't think of anything more dangerous than a Canadian professor of liberal arts. Stay sharp, YouTube!

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 02, 2017 10:56 AM  

All that it would take to bring down YouTube would be enforcement of copyright laws. YouTube and Google both are massive violators and have been deemed Too Big to Jail by their cronies in Justice. I wonder how many Castalia books have been scanned completely and added to Google's massive collection. You might not be able to download them but a complete scan of a book copyrighted content is not "fair use" in most countries - unless the content owner signed off on it. It's a quarter-million per violation in the USA. Of course since 95% or more of publishing, music and law is itself converged there's unlikely to be any action taken in this respect.

Anonymous TS August 02, 2017 10:56 AM  

"The reason a companies like Google, Amazon, and Apple treat extremist views and extremist people with contempt and devalue their goods, services and content is because in the end they answer to a large constituency of consumers who either don't like, don't care or can't stand the views expressed by anti-semites, bigots, and misogynists. The number of users who like to confront the views of anti-semites, bigots and misogynists is so small there is literally no loss in throwing them over board, and doing so publicly."

And besides you ever heard of free speech asswipe?

Anonymous TS August 02, 2017 11:00 AM  

Anybody who is NOT a totalitarian,fascist,commie,socialist,greenie,"progressive",liberal or globalist tool. Or doesn't march in lockstep with said views.

Get Out!

Anonymous Just another commenter August 02, 2017 11:06 AM  

The principle Jordan violated was not being an SJW, nor kowtowing to the plague of PC. He actually believe "free speech" means just what normal people think it means, and he speaks well and clearly on uncomfortable topics.

Anonymous Hrw-500 August 02, 2017 11:11 AM  

If only there's some guys like Guccifer who can hack ADL and SPLC e-mails and post it on Wikileaks or somewhere else. And giving them a taste of their own medecine....

Blogger Snidely Whiplash August 02, 2017 11:26 AM  

HSolo wrote:in the end they answer to a large constituency of consumers who either don't like, don't care or can't stand

No, their constituency is not the users of the system. They are the product. They do not, will not, and have never answered to them in any way. Try to get an answer to any question from Faceberg, Twitter, Google or Youtube. Just try.

Anonymous Trend sniffer August 02, 2017 11:45 AM  

(((book burners)))

"The online retailer Amazon has stopped selling three Holocaust-denial books after Jewish groups voiced growing frustration that the website was giving a platform to antisemites.
Amazon has been criticised for years over the revisionist titles for sale on its website, but the recent upsurge in antisemitism across America promoted Robert Rozett, a senior official at Yad Vashem, to write to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos last month calling for immediate action."

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/under-pressure-amazon-stops-selling-holocaust-denial-books-1.433963

Anonymous Hrw-500 August 02, 2017 11:48 AM  

@120 Trend sniffer

""The online retailer Amazon has stopped selling three Holocaust-denial books after Jewish groups voiced growing frustration that the website was giving a platform to antisemites."

Looks like it'll have a Streisand effect. Some folks will put these books on public domain or put a online book stores to allow the sale of these books.

Blogger Out of Nod August 02, 2017 11:54 AM  

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Blogger Out of Nod August 02, 2017 11:55 AM  

The autists have their work cut out for them. It's almost like the ADL et al wants to be shutdown

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook August 02, 2017 12:00 PM  

Kermit will not be silenced! YouTube WILL cleans its room and get sorted or its hell to pay, bucko.

Anonymous I'm Not a Fascist. But My Sons Are. August 02, 2017 12:08 PM  

The online retailer Amazon has stopped selling three Holocaust-denial books after Jewish groups voiced growing frustration that the website was giving a platform to antisemites.

What's the best way to hide one's Jewish Supremacism? - to accuse those whose interests do not align with Jewish Supremacism of being Supremacists.

What's the best way to revise History? - to accuse of historical revisionism those who are pointing out historical embellishments.

OpenID paulmurray August 02, 2017 12:35 PM  

Ain't private enterprise grand?

Anonymous BBGKB August 02, 2017 12:35 PM  

I can't think of anything more dangerous than a Canadian professor of liberal arts. Stay sharp, YouTube!

What about an armed Koran Burning Faggot?

Anonymous Gen. Kong August 02, 2017 12:38 PM  

Guess the ADL threatened to stop pizza deliveries to the upper management of Google. Considering that the organization had its roots in trying to prevent a pedophile from escaping justice - which was delivered only thanks to a well-armed mob in 1914, the only real question is why is anyone surprised??

OpenID doktorjeep August 02, 2017 12:47 PM  

This all justifies any "action" against Google along the line of anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws. No more "hurr durr google private corporation muh constitution" lolbertarianism crap. But then we stopped listening to those people a long time ago anyway.

Protecting companies like google in hope for some kind of libertarian government-free utopia has failed. Therefore, Plan B.

Blogger DonReynolds August 02, 2017 12:56 PM  

"The company has also started working with a number of non-governmental organizations including the Anti-Defamation League, the No Hate Speech Movement and the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. "These organizations bring expert knowledge of complex issues like hate speech, radicalization, and terrorism that will help us better identify content that is being used to radicalize and recruit extremists," said YouTube in the blog post."

Of course, none of the "non-governmental organizations" include any that defend Free Speech Rights of American citizens. When these topics are being discussed, the American citizen has no one at the table to voice any objection to their Orwellian schemes.

The key phrase in the above quote is "hate speech", which is the Leftist Liberal dogwhistle for anything and everything that MIGHT be a "microagression" if you had a big enough imagination and if you pushed it through a die with enough force. "Hate Speech" is the pocket version of any speech that runs counter to the Leftist Liberal Agenda, which must be respected by everyone else.

Given the "experts" involved....the only "Terrorism" will be anyone supporting the state of Israel, the only Hate Speech will be anyone not supporting Negro Supremacy or Transgender, or Homosexual privilege, or Radical Feminism.

The only "Extremist speech" will be from Patriots, Christians, Southerners (in general), Republicans, and man-splaining. All such speech must be put in the slaughter pens for limited care and feeding until the next Leftist Liberal festival needs sacrifices.

They are not even pretending to be objective, or fair, or even-handed. This is not iron-fisted, it is ham-handed and clumsy. To HELL with the First Amendment.

This is the Deep State at work again, exercising executive authority through NGOs under the guise of preventing on-line bullying, protecting only the Leftist snowflakes from being offended.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 02, 2017 1:22 PM  

dfordoom wrote:what that means is that we have no means of reaching the normies. We're just preaching to the converted.
That's when things move to URLs in dot-code stickers pasted everywhere.  The insides of toilet doors or over/on the TP dispensers in public bathrooms is a good place.  People are usually fiddling with their phones there anyway.

@62 Twice now I've had Brave refuse to start.  I click on it and it never shows up in the task list.  I re-installed once and that fixed it, haven't bothered yet this time.  I have to wonder if this is due to malware.

There IS SJW-ish malware on Windows.  I tried to download a bunch of videos a while ago which had the name of a certain early-20th century leader in the file names.  Those files started disappearing within minutes of being downloaded; even the repeat downloads would disappear.  I deleted his name from the filenames, and so far they're all still there.

Blogger DonReynolds August 02, 2017 1:28 PM  

What the Leftist Liberals are finally admitting is.....they think SEGREGATION is Cool. Yes, this is about SEGREGATION and the first stake driven in the ground is to mark off internet space exclusively for Leftist Liberal approved speech. Of course, any speech they do not approve of is...."hate speech", by definition. So either you pay extra premium prices to get your product on the Leftist Liberal display case or you will be denied merchandising space in the biggest big-box stores in the universe. Of course, they did not become the biggest big-box stores by being so selective about their content, but that is how they will roll from now on. If it is not "politically correct", then it simply will not be ALLOWED.

It reminds me of the utter nonsense Wal-Mart campaign...."WE Always Buy American"....which is a bald-faced lie of the highest order. Wal-Mart has NEVER been interested in anything but cheap, shoddy goods from Asia and no amount of US flags in the store will ever change that. (Huge toy variety, but I cannot recall the last year I saw a toy made in the USA sold at Wal-Mart. When you have six kids, you notice these things.)

Hopefully, somebody will see the business opportunity in handling merchandise that does not have the Leftist Liberal seal of approval. We have seen this before. When the regular bookstores decided to stop selling pornography, the products ended up at "adult bookstores". When the "adult bookstores" refused to sell homosexual products....you guessed it, we get "gay bookstores". Yes, it is SEGREGATION. In marketing, it would be called market segmentation. Now the smart play would be for YouTube and Google and et al to go ahead now and establish their own competing non-PC brands. A sort of parallel universe, where they end up displaying PC and non-PC speech and collecting money from both sides. But they are not smart. They are ideological....which is the "logic of idiots".

Anonymous Insider Hacker August 02, 2017 1:35 PM  

Looks like the SJW faction in Google is winning.

Y'all have no idea how completely SJWs dominate in Silicon Valley. Eighty percent here want AltRight people dead. I mean that literally. Lists are circulated between companies to blackball developers for thought-crime. Etc. As an AltRight dissident you keep your mouth fucking shut.

Jewish investors and managers foster a visceral hatred for anything American, White, Male, Hetero, Christian. This is done primarily to displace the work force with foreign shit-skins who can be exploited for low wages. The economic strip mining is packaged as SJW religion: diversity and tolerance, justice for the oppressed, punishment for the guilty. Mark Zuckerberg exhibit A.

But all is not lost - the Jewish technology juggernaut has exploitable vulnerabilities. H1Bs are shit-tier performers. White SJWs mostly can't produce at the highest levels, because they lack the IQ and even more because they lack emotional resiliency. Social media switching costs are extremely low, the technology is not difficult to replicate. We can out-perform these fuckers and build a parallel media that serves our needs.

The biggest vulnerability IMO is the (((enemy's))) lack of empathy or understanding of their host culture, leading to unforced errors like the ADL hate-list and the YouTube ban. Now that AltRight has a (((spotlight))) on the chosen ones, I believe we can see them much more clearly than they can see us. Their reaction-times are actually quite slow, and their numbers are tiny compared to ours.

If we build our movement, stay on the offensive, keep adjusting our tactics, I'm sure we can take them apart piece by piece.

Blogger Todd Everhart August 02, 2017 1:51 PM  

YouTube sent me here

Blogger Dedd Sirius August 02, 2017 2:39 PM  

HSolo is so dumb it makes me laugh. "...anti-semites and bigots and misogynists..." reminds me of this YouTube mockery of Canklary's "...chauvinists and sexists and misogynists..."

https://youtu.be/26-VzfBZg1w

Blogger Flair1239 August 02, 2017 2:50 PM  

How about an InfoGalactic search engine so we can boycott google?

Blogger Flair1239 August 02, 2017 2:52 PM  

I did. I was hoping that my daughter would not have to live through a period of violence.

I hate having to have conversations with her about shit like this. She is 14 and such a gentle soul.

Blogger Flair1239 August 02, 2017 2:54 PM  

What about crowd funding?

Blogger James Dixon August 02, 2017 3:12 PM  

> How about an InfoGalactic search engine so we can boycott google?

Try Duck Duck Go and IXQuick. For a comparison, see http://securityspread.com/2016/10/24/duckduckgo-startpage-2016-update/

Anonymous AB.Prosper August 02, 2017 3:15 PM  

Icicle wrote:How long before "The Jews got them too!" becomes mainstream?

Do you want Hitler again? Because this is how you get Hitler again. I don't want Hitler. He's an idiot.

The fact Google was founded by Jews is really not helping the situation.


That as a fine post.

I am going to have to cop that line as well, That's how you get Hitler and I don't want Hitler, he was an idiot

As for .alt tech, its expensive to host video right now and the Right doesn't have deep pockets enough to waste money on losing propositions or really to start a money pit like You Tube

That's subject to change though

The key thing to remember is, once its on full time, you can't go back to the "freedom" you had in 2004 much less 1954 for decades . You are going to have to develop the same taste for ruling men they have and carry it out.

Leftism is a subversive ideology and its proponents are well versed in the concepts of subversion ,sedition, espionage, revolutions and counter revolution . You won't get them all.

This war won't be fought for or our children but our grand children and great grandchildren and I dare say the hardest thing will be knowing when to when to show mercy, when not too and when to let go when you are done

Knowing when to stop coming for people to borrow from BGKBS




Anonymous AB.Prosper August 02, 2017 3:17 PM  

Flair1239 wrote:I did. I was hoping that my daughter would not have to live through a period of violence.

I hate having to have conversations with her about shit like this. She is 14 and such a gentle soul.


As Al Fin often says "its never too late to have a dangerous childhood" besides she might enjoy it, its a great excuse for father? /daughter bonding

Blogger Were-Puppy August 02, 2017 5:30 PM  

@9 VD

This is their reaction to Trump winning.
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It's probably they learned their lesson from 2016 and are laying the groundwork that social media won't destroy them next time.

Anonymous Icicle August 02, 2017 5:32 PM  

Yeah. Also beware the Surveillance State.

Blogger Were-Puppy August 02, 2017 6:35 PM  

This whole video hosting issue - what about something like Kodi? I don't know much about it but have seen it in action a couple times. How do they go about getting all of their video content? I has to be hosted somewhere.

Blogger Roger G2 August 02, 2017 8:10 PM  

Yes, they're so brave-speaking truth to power!
Neither W. Bush, Trump, nor Hitler could silence them.

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 8:46 PM  

@121. Hrw-500

Looks like it'll have a Streisand effect. Some folks will put these books on public domain or put a online book stores to allow the sale of these books.

If amazon doesn't sell them then normies will never encounter these books. That's what it's all about - it's all about making sure the normies don't get exposed to badthink. The Powers That Be don't care if a handful of alt-righters have access to forbidden books. That simply doesn't matter since it means that dissidents are just preaching to the choir. What scares the Powers That Be is the possibility that normies might come across these forbidden books.

It can't be emphasised too strongly that the Powers That Be couldn't care less about the alt-right. They don't need to silence us. They just need to make sure we can't get our message across to the normies. If they can do that then they've condemned us to irrelevancy.

Blogger James Dixon August 02, 2017 9:02 PM  

> Neither W. Bush, Trump, nor Hitler could silence them.

None of them ever tried a bag of Doritos.

Blogger James Dixon August 02, 2017 9:04 PM  

> If amazon doesn't sell them then normies will never encounter these books.

Yeah, because their kids are never on the chans or reddit. They'll be forbidden fruit, there will be copies everywhere, it'll be the cool thing to have read them.

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 9:20 PM  

@140. AB.Prosper

The key thing to remember is, once its on full time, you can't go back to the "freedom" you had in 2004 much less 1954 for decades . You are going to have to develop the same taste for ruling men they have and carry it out.

That's the big thing we need to understand. Tolerance, freedom of speech, democracy, all the lovely liberal ideas - they just don't work. They will get used against us, just as they have been used against us.

This is not a cricket match where everyone plays by the rules of good sportsmanship. If you play by those rules you lose.

Tolerance means giving your enemies the tools to destroy you. Freedom of speech means giving your enemies the ability to undermine everything that is decent. Tolerance, freedom of speech and democracy are what has led us to the disaster we see around us today.

It's all about power. If you can gain power you have to use it. Ruthlessly. If you don't then your enemies will gain power and you can be certain that they will use it with breathtaking ruthlessness.

Blogger dfordoom August 02, 2017 9:32 PM  

@142. Were-Puppy

It's probably they learned their lesson from 2016 and are laying the groundwork that social media won't destroy them next time.

The 2020 election will be very very different. The strategies that Trump used successfully in 2016 are not going to be available next time. The 2020 election is not going to be a free election.

It's not the Democrats you have to worry about in 2020. It's the Republican cucks. And the Christian cucks.

Anonymous Raker Tooth August 02, 2017 9:44 PM  

Is there a way to know what sites a hosting server actually has? Here's a link to one that says their priority is free speech:
https://1984hosting.com/about/

OpenID aew51183 August 02, 2017 10:03 PM  

has anyone here heard of LBRY?

I've seen this popping up in my feed. It appears to be "decentralized youtube over blockchain".

An image of Jordan B Peterson's video feed over LBRY:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGKXXZxXUAIVatg.jpg:large

website is simple and to-the-point
https://lbry.io/get

Anonymous Hrw-500 August 02, 2017 10:15 PM  

@146 dfordoom

Perhaps we have to take a different approach. Amazon still sell some books about the Holodomor. The folks of 4chan/pol could troll them by saying "Yes, the Holocaust is horrible and so is the Armenian genocide and the Holodomor."

And we're lucky then someone archived that Daily Mail article http://archive.is/vXb30

Blogger Francis Parker Yockey August 02, 2017 10:41 PM  

@92 HSolo

"can't stand the views expressed by anti-semites, bigots, and misogynists. The number of users who like to confront the views of anti-semites, bigots and misogynists is so small there is literally no loss in throwing them over board"

Very sad to see that troglodytes like "HSolo" are still with us, spewing forth this sort of virulent anti-White hatred and ignorant, toxic Gentilephobia with such rage-filled redundancy. How can you still promote the long-discredited transhomonormative model of society in the current year? What do you think this is, 2015 or something? Wow, just wow. Very problematic.

Let go of your rage and hatred. Educate yourself, and give up your ignorant bigotry, so that we may move forward together into a brighter future.

Blogger Desiderius August 02, 2017 10:55 PM  

"Or, as we found with Google, they can refuse to give an answer at all."

What happened to "bake the fucking cake"?

Some denial of service is more equal than others.

Anonymous Raker Tooth August 02, 2017 11:06 PM  

I went to Yandex, English version, and Russian version, all the videos there were YouTube.
I went to VKontakte, Russia' largest social media, Russian version. It looks like I was wrong in my earlier post, the "full version" is probably just the desktop version, not the phone version; so you upload videos free. Ironically, I like to use Google Chrome browser, because it translates the page into English. I saw a list of available videos, they don't appear to be YouTube, but I can't be positive. You see, the titles and info are in Russian, which I can read, but I don't speak the language, save maybe 10 or 20 words. Say what? It's like this, the Russian Cyrillic alphabet is really easy to learn, easier than English; it's phonic. So I can make out the words slowly. I didn't see any marked YouTube, (in Russian) and I'm pretty sure they would have just transliterated the name straight across. They do that with contemporary terms, like hosting. They speak that word the same as we do, only they spell it with their alphabet.Here's a video of some motorcycle guys, I hope it plays for you without being logged in.
https://vk.com/video-3519447_456239361
On a different note, something REALLY cool I've been watching for the last couple years is how the Russian motorcycle club Night Wolves is developing their own motorcycle from the ground up. I think they are working with an Italian manufacturer to produce part of it. anyway, here's the link to their VK site:
https://vk.com/russkiy_motozikl

Anonymous hforhope August 02, 2017 11:32 PM  

Hey dfordoom, could you drop a few more tons of black pills? I don't think we are depressed enough...

Normies are waking up. I do agree when the time comes we will need to be ruthless.

As for YouTube look at the kind of money some of these people get on Patreon. They can totally afford paying for their own video hosting. Replicating the basics of YouTube in a self-host platform is much easier now than it was when YouTube came out. Soon it will be like picking a blogging platform, too many choices.

Worse case there are tons of decentralized options. MaidSafe is pretty cool for example, check it out.

Blogger dfordoom August 03, 2017 12:21 AM  

@157. hforhope

Hey dfordoom, could you drop a few more tons of black pills? I don't think we are depressed enough...

What I see a lot of on the alt-right is absurd over-confidence.

Normies are waking up.

I'm not seeing a lot of evidence for that. They are starting to get just a little concerned about immigration but most of them still believe that legal immigration is OK, when in fact it's much much more dangerous than illegal immigration.

Normies still can't see the damage that feminism and homosexuality have done. They still cling to the belief that somehow democracy can fix things, that the system is fine but it just needs to be tweaked a little. These are fatal illusions. Christians on the whole are still pitifully cucked. Normies still don't understand that the education system is destroying the minds of their children.

They can totally afford paying for their own video hosting

Sure, but if they're not on YouTube the normies won't see their videos. Preaching to the choir again. As Vox pointed out not long ago we have to contest enemy-held territory. If we run away to our safe alternative platforms we give up any hope of reconquering that enemy-held territory.

Anonymous Mr. Rational August 03, 2017 1:10 AM  

James Dixon wrote:They'll be forbidden fruit, there will be copies everywhere, it'll be the cool thing to have read them.
They'll be using UUCP protocols over BlueTooth to swap posts and files invisibly whenever they're in physical proximity, no Internet bandwidth or traffic involved.  Just you watch.

It'll take a new generation of snooping tools to even detect this traffic.

Blogger Thucydides August 03, 2017 8:23 PM  

Rebel Media in Canada (https://www.therebel.media) is working on making their own app and hosting their own content to be free from YouTube.

Canada is already a hostile environment for free speech, and Google executives are working in the Liberal government:

"The Liberal Party has a revolving door with Google executives who run YouTube. Leslie Church, the former head of public affairs for Google, now works as the chief of staff to Trudeau's Heritage Minister. That's the department implementing Trudeau's M-103 Islamophobia ban."

So there are always work arounds.....

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot August 05, 2017 5:49 AM  

Google and Twitter are US public utilities.

I'm in favor of eminent domain proceedings.

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