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Friday, September 08, 2017

Nazi = anti-white

One of the great ironies of the Alt-Reich is that they claim to be National Socialists, some "ironically", some not so much, while also claiming that "saving the white race" is their primary goal. However, this is akin to ants claiming that dressing up as anteaters and eating other ants is the way to save the ant species.

First, Hitler thought more highly of both the Asians and the Arabs than he did of most non-German whites. Second, the National Socialists actually planned to murder a statistically significant percentage of the white race, around 20 percent of it.

Generalplan Ost was the name of the project, which was intended to slaughter white people. Specifically, about 60 percent of all the Russians, Estonians, Latvians, Czechs, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, and Lithuanians were to be killed or "deported" to Western Siberia. The Nazis literally planned to murder tens of millions of white people, but were prevented from doing so by losing the war to the untermensch Russians and the mischling Americans.

The National Socialists planned to eliminate the Czechs. Like her.
From Infogalactic:
The Generalplan Ost, abbreviated GPO, was the Nazi German government's plan for the genocide and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale, and colonization of Central and Eastern Europe by Germans. It was to be undertaken in territories occupied by Germany during World War II. The plan was partially realized during the war, resulting indirectly and directly in a very large number of deaths, but its full implementation was not considered practicable during the major military operations, and was prevented by Germany's defeat.

The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and mass murder of most Slavic peoples in Europe along with planned destruction of their nations, whom the 'Aryan' Nazis viewed as racially inferior.The programme operational guidelines were based on the policy of Lebensraum designed by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in fulfilment of the Drang nach Osten ideology of German expansionism. As such, it was intended to be a part of the New Order in Europe.

The Generalplan Ost proposal offered various percentages of the conquered or colonized people who were targeted for removal and physical destruction; the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories would become German. In ten years' time, the plan effectively called for the extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East and West Slavs living behind the front lines of East-Central Europe. The "Small Plan" was to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of their pre-war borders. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the end of November 1939 and is probably responsible for much of the World War II expulsion of Poles by Germany (first to colonial district of the General Government and, from 1942 also to Polenlager).
There is nothing "pro-white" about National Socialism of any kind. Indeed, in light of the results of the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, it is clear that Communism, for all its tremendous flaws, is in practice more objectively pro-white than National Socialism.

Which is why anyone who claims to be a Nazi is intrinsically and always anti-white. The German National Socialist Worker's Party was German supremacist imperialism, and as such, should be opposed by anyone who agrees with the ideas laid out in the 16 Points of the Alternative Right. I know there are a number of young men who don't know much about history, who are rightly concerned about the future of their people, but they need to learn their history, learn their culture, and realize that running around playing Fake Right Clown Nazi bantzing for the lulz will accomplish less than nothing in that regard.

Work out. Dress better. Get a job. Talk to a pretty girl. Read the Bible. Get married. Have children. Any one of those acts would be more genuinely revolutionary, and accomplish more towards saving the white race, than spending the next ten years Swastika Panty-larping.

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Blogger Antony September 08, 2017 5:18 AM  

A bit OT, but as it concerns population replacement of whites, I hope its' ok to put it here - they plan on using the black actor Jamie Foxx to play the role of Little John in a re-make of Robin Hood - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-robin-hood-coming-in-2018-starring-taron-egerton-jamie-dornan-and-jamie-foxx/ - talk about the erasure of history - you could'nt make it up ! - they'll be having a black James Bond next !

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2017 5:23 AM  

Good to see someone besides myself bring this up

Only thing hitler accomplished was the death of millions of God fearing White men

Worse then lincoln on this front

Blogger Wanderer September 08, 2017 5:24 AM  

"in light of the results of the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, it is clear that Communism, for all its tremendous flaws, is in practice more objectively pro-white than National Socialism."

Well, according to Solzhenitsyn, Communism led to the actual death of 60 million Eastern Europeans, rather than a mere planned death. Just because those 60 mil weren't targeted specifically for being Eastern European doesn't necessarily make Communism any better. They're both shit-tier and anti-white.

Blogger Phillip George September 08, 2017 5:25 AM  

I'm voting with the girl in the photo. Didn't read the article.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 5:31 AM  

Just because those 60 mil weren't targeted specifically for being Eastern European doesn't necessarily make Communism any better.

It is still better than neo-liberal corporatist globalism. Just look at the current nation-state demographics. That is the great irony of "the end of history".

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 08, 2017 5:39 AM  

The posts and commentaries as of late appear to me to be clearing the path towards a "libertarian nationalism". I might be wrong though.

Blogger Celtic Morning September 08, 2017 5:46 AM  

Simple fact is that the white race is not breeding enough to sustain itself and so will simply fade away. Unless the races that replace it decide to speed up the process violently. Which is probable.

Blogger Sillon Bono September 08, 2017 5:47 AM  

So in the end the Reichtards are as ignorant of national socialism and the 3rd Reich as the Leftards are ignorant of communism and the soviet union.

They share quite a lot and explain very well why they play into the enemy's hands isn't?

Anonymous Teapartydoc September 08, 2017 5:50 AM  

This argument is as effective as DR3.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 08, 2017 5:51 AM  

@8 That's it. Reichtards on one side and SJW Marxists on the other. I'm thinking of a Black Lives Matter founder who says "Assata taught me." Assata was heavily into Leninism.

Anonymous Icicle September 08, 2017 5:53 AM  

I did Nazi this one coming.

Read the Bible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APF3SO9tqE

IT'S BEAUTIFUL!

Anonymous TS September 08, 2017 5:54 AM  

"They're both shit-tier and anti-white."

So basically if you're white you have ALOT more reasons to fear the left than the brownies. It's what been said all along, you take care of the left and the brown problem takes care of itself.

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 6:02 AM  

The greatest trick the Left has ever pulled was convincing the world Hitler wasn't one of them.

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 6:02 AM  

>Simple fact is that the white race is not breeding enough to sustain itself and so will simply fade away. Unless the races that replace it decide to speed up the process violently. Which is probable.

Give up goy.

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 6:05 AM  

Hitler was a cuck who turned against his European community and sided with slant eyes in the Far East who planned to seize European built territory in Australia.

Anonymous t. future September 08, 2017 6:14 AM  

Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat.

Anonymous TS September 08, 2017 6:15 AM  

This history of the Nazi's is very interesting and informative. VD do you have any knowledge of the left-right dynamics in Central and South America? There was a lot of war in those parts that could lend some insight to the discussion. I know the focus is mostly on whites but it seems wherever the left manifests itself it makes war on its own or the dominant ethnic group until it establishes control.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 6:17 AM  

This argument is as effective as DR3.

Category error. DR3 is rhetoric. This is dialectic. It won't convince those who require rhetoric. But it will provide a sound and truthful basis for effective rhetoric such as "Fake Right", which we know is effective due to the way people react to it.

Blogger Sillon Bono September 08, 2017 6:18 AM  

Celtic Morning wrote:Simple fact is that the white race is not breeding enough to sustain itself and so will simply fade away. Unless the races that replace it decide to speed up the process violently. Which is probable.

I digress, a population can contract and later expand, what a population can't recover from is being colonized by people breeding them out 5 to 1 (at least)

And this colonization no one outside the elite wanted or voted for.

And yes, this is has been caused by (((them))) with their socialism and (((Central Bank))) economy planning.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 6:19 AM  

VD do you have any knowledge of the left-right dynamics in Central and South America?

I am moderately up on the Mexican Revolution due to my great-grandfather being in Pancho Villa's inner circle, but I'm almost entirely ignorant otherwise. In Mexico, there is the Far Left, the Not-quite-so-far Left, and the Catholic Church-corporate alliance which is almost ruthlessly non-ideological.

Blogger JACIII September 08, 2017 6:19 AM  

This explains the unnecessary brutality toward occupied peoples and Germany's waste of previously willing human resources toward their war effort.
The Ukrainians, Polish, Czech, etc thought they might get a better deal from Nazis than Communists and ended up having good reason to viscerally hate the Nazis.

Blogger wreckage September 08, 2017 6:22 AM  

Work out, get a job, romance a nice girl who's in your league, get married, have about a billion kids.
Whatever your people-group, that's how to save it.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 6:23 AM  

This explains the unnecessary brutality toward occupied peoples and Germany's waste of previously willing human resources toward their war effort.

Exactly. Many who are somewhat familiar with WWII history fail to understand how deeply stupid, and how utterly doomed, Hitler's grand strategic vision was. The Germans never had a chance from the very moment the Austrian Anschluss began.

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 6:27 AM  

Sillon Bono: Whites aren't Niggers. Whites in recorded history who lived in civilization have only had TFR rates in the threes at most (and that's being generous). The Western world's TFR had been sinking prior to WW2 with the Baby Boom being a fluke enabled by the slaughter.

Blogger Robert What? September 08, 2017 6:29 AM  

Most of the people identifying themselves as Nazis have given little (no?) thought to the implications and policies of National Socialism. They just see this anti White wave threatening to overwhelm them and our society. They simply want to stop being vilified, denigrated and marginalized. By turning against them Vox not going to score any points with the Borg who can unperson Vox as easily as they unpersoned Anglin.

Anonymous TS September 08, 2017 6:29 AM  

"In Mexico, there is the Far Left, the Not-quite-so-far Left, and the Catholic Church-corporate alliance which is almost ruthlessly non-ideological."

The reason I ask is it seems to be playing out again. which would eventually involve Right wing death squads.

https://consortiumnews.com/2013/03/16/pope-francis-the-cia-and-death-squads/

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 6:30 AM  

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Most of the people identifying themselves as Nazis have given little (no?) thought to the implications and policies of National Socialism. They just see this anti White wave threatening to overwhelm them and our society. They simply want to stop being vilified, denigrated and marginalized. By turning against them Vox not going to score any points with the Borg who can unperson Vox as easily as they unpersoned Anglin.

There are plenty of past movements and empires White Men can rally around instead of the fucking Nazis. Such as the Crusaders, Peak Roman Empire, etc.

Anonymous Thomas Aquinas September 08, 2017 6:44 AM  

There are plenty of past movements and empires White Men can rally around instead of the fucking Nazis.

How about scholasticism?

Anonymous Rocklea September 08, 2017 6:46 AM  

Everybody loves a bad boy redemption story. Just ask Trump.

Blogger Koanic September 08, 2017 6:47 AM  

Communism is objectively more pro-white than Nazism... in Eurasia.

The reverse is true in contemporary North America, where the Communists seek to bury whites in a mudslide, and the Nazis fight them in the streets.

In contemporary North America, the scale of Hitler's intended genocides is merely "a good start". There, the Other is not slav but mestizo, and no one is claiming mestizos are white.

It is a pirate flag in an age where piracy has shifted from the high seas to the Internet.

Blogger ZhukovG September 08, 2017 6:48 AM  

Al From Bay Shore: I am fond of the idea of an American Nationalist Libertarian party. However, what works best for one 'Nation' may not be best for another.

Russians for example seem to prefer a kind of Authoritarian Democratic system given their apparent attraction to strong leaders.

If there was a separate African-American ethno-state, what government, in your opinion, would best serve them?

As for the 'European-American Nation', whatever we settle on, we will need to enact measures to ensure that vile 'Leftist Globalist' ideologies like Marxism and National Socialism never again take root.

Blogger Ian Miguel Martin September 08, 2017 6:57 AM  

Vox, in light of recent events do you regret including point 14 among the 16 points?

Blogger Dirtnapninja September 08, 2017 7:01 AM  

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Blogger Dirtnapninja September 08, 2017 7:02 AM  

Salden wrote:
Sillon Bono: Whites aren't Niggers. Whites in recorded history who lived in civilization have only had TFR rates in the threes at most (and that's being generous). The Western world's TFR had been sinking prior to WW2 with the Baby Boom being a fluke enabled by the slaughter.


Fertility rates in North America were sky high until the 20th century. For instance between 1920 and 1940 Quebec shipped off hundreds of thousands of people to the USA from a population of less than three million, and it still grew by a third, almost entirely from internal growth. In 1900 its fertility was in excess of 7. This was not unusual..Anglo Canada had a fertility rate in excess of 5.

Blogger Matt@Occidentalism.org September 08, 2017 7:03 AM  

VD, you are doing exactly what the media is doing to you. The media labeling you a white supremacist without grounds, and you are labeling people 'nazis'.

This was addressed to you in January. It would behoove you to have a read.

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2017/01/25/vox-days-absurd-counter-signaling/

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume September 08, 2017 7:09 AM  

@35

Lol! This is the crap I read Vox Popoli for! I don't always read the interwebz. But when I do, I like to read read Vox Popoli for the stimulating conversation and rhetorical beat downs.

Always brings a smile to my face.

Blogger Koanic September 08, 2017 7:10 AM  

There's a giant Internet conflict brewing over whether "National Socialism is of the Right."

The whole argument is unnecessary, and occasioned by the false compression of political variation into a spectrum, when a triangle is more sociobiologically appropriate.

Biologists agree - r/K theory has been superceded by Universal Adaptive Strategy Theory.

(Need a user-friendly Safari Infosextant installer)

Civilizational scale, Internet-accelerated assortation, and resource abundance have encouraged the purest trifurcation of these principles to date:

At the ruderal vertex, feminist Sodomite anti-white Communism.
At the competitor vertex, masculinist fashy pro-white nationalists.
At the stress-tolerator vertex, capitalist libertarian individualists.

A healthy state must possess a balance of these principles, but avoid their maladaptive extremes.

Anonymous TS September 08, 2017 7:11 AM  

"Fertility rates in North America were sky high until the 20th century. For instance between 1920 and 190 Quebec shipped off 500,000 people to the USA from a population of less than three million, and it still grew by a third, almost entirely from internal growth. In 1900 its fertility was in excess of 7. This was not unusual..Anglo Canada had a fertility rate in excess of 5."

Yes of course, but when whites allow leftism into their societies which inevitable leads to a war against the native white population it can take generations to get them back to replacement levels. Imagine if Europe didn't have WWII? How many whites would there be in Europe right now? Doubt the whole globalist directed mooslimb invasion thing could even be carried out in Europe if WWII didn't happen.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume September 08, 2017 7:12 AM  

@35

I should add that it is especially amusing when the commenter doesn't seem to grasp "Just What It Is They Do Here" and our gracious host's style and methods.

Always a good time.

Blogger ZhukovG September 08, 2017 7:15 AM  

@Ian Miguel Martin: I don't presume to speak for Vox, but IMO, even though 'White' is not a nation, it represents a kind of rally point for European-Americans at this time.

Hispanic is likewise, not a nation, but represents a rally point for various Latin-Americans.

I further believe that African-Americans are a nation that has developed in North America, much like the Boers, who are a European-African nation.

Anonymous Rocklea September 08, 2017 7:16 AM  

Do mestizos have guilt free identity politics?

Blogger Matt@Occidentalism.org September 08, 2017 7:24 AM  

People that self identify or are labeled as "nazis" (or even "white supremacists) can fall anywhere on the left/right spectrum when it comes to economics. Some are left, some are right, some are in line with mainstream democrats, others are Reaganites or libertarian in outlook. When you have no unified "nazi" economic program (NOT talking about the platform of the NSDAP in the 1930s of which one is advocates because it is an anachronism), it is absurd for Vox Day to pigeonhole the economic outlook of "nazis" or even debate whether National Socialism is left or right.

The only unifying factor of self identifying or those labeled as nazis or similar labels is their anti-Jewish worldview. For that reason it is easy to label Vox Day a "nazi" (and I bet he has just like he has been labeled white supremacist) even if he eschews WW2 symbols. In fact most people labeled Nazis don't carry WW2 symbols so it isn't about the symbols just a worldview (and nothing to do with economics).

Blogger mgh September 08, 2017 7:24 AM  

This simple truth is the key to winning over the average normie. Whites who hate other whites are the greatest threat to life as we know it. Whether it was Hitler who hated Poles/Czechs/non-pure Germans, or Stalin/Lenin who hated his fellow Russians of the wrong party, or modern liberals who hate Christians/white men/southerners. The obsession with wrong think always leads to mass death.

Blogger Jeff Weimer September 08, 2017 7:26 AM  

@3 Yes, communism in the USSR was in practice Russian-supremacist. Had a lot to do with who the Party could trust to have proper revolutionary zeal.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 08, 2017 7:26 AM  

@31 I am in agreement insofar as the idea of nations having different interests; what works for one may not work for another. Here is where I am supportive of either a small republic or a large national government that derives its power from smaller regional authorities (true federalism). As you already know, there is a reason why Florida's snowmobile regulations are virtually non-existent.

Insofar as a Black ethno-state, I am of the belief that a "civil war" within the Black community may have to happen first. Too many of us still think that integration was a good idea. Integration was abandoning Black owned institutions based in the Black community in exchange for dependency on both government and white owned institutions. For example, in breaking the color barrier, Jackie Robinson essentially destroyed a Black owned baseball league that was worth billions if not trillions. The aftermath left Black folks complaining about the absence of Blacks is management positions in MLB. We should have merged in the same way that the ABA merged with the NBA as well as the way the AFL merged with the NFL. That's just one example. There are more (don't get me started on Black colleges and universities).

The issue with integration is one of abdicating an economic barrier Black folks could have used for independence and empowerment. Too many Black folks don't grasp this (they're all leftists who mistake parasitism for meaningful "activism").

In my opinion, a Black ethno-state might be formed by Black folks who "secede" from the foolishness that makes the politics of popular Black culture.

The struggle continues!

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2017 7:29 AM  

The Whites are dying out bit is inaccurate. Although I can understand it's appeal to White Ethno-masochists and devote defeatists.

It's Leftie Urban Whites that are breeding at extinction levels.

Rural Right Whites are doing just fine in the making babies department.

You can find the data trend if you for it.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 7:32 AM  

By turning against them Vox not going to score any points with the Borg who can unperson Vox as easily as they unpersoned Anglin.

Obviously. Why do you think I am trying to score points with the Borg? I'm not.

The whole argument is unnecessary, and occasioned by the false compression of political variation into a spectrum, when a triangle is more sociobiologically appropriate.

Koanic, stop. No one cares. You're completely blind to the rhetorical angles, which are the more important aspects of this.

VD, you are doing exactly what the media is doing to you. The media labeling you a white supremacist without grounds, and you are labeling people 'nazis'.

That's a completely false equivalence. These are people who label themselves Nazis, sport Nazi symbols, and call themselves Goring von Poopenheimer. You don't get to play the Hurr-Durr-Only Kidding game, then cry when people call you a stupid Hurr-Durr.

I have never, ever, pretended to be a white supremacist. The charge is entirely baseless.

Vox, in light of recent events do you regret including point 14 among the 16 points?

Not at all. The fact that there are a few stupid, self-destructive white people scuttling about pooping on the carpets here and there does not eliminate the gift of Western Civilization.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 7:37 AM  

it is absurd for Vox Day to pigeonhole the economic outlook of "nazis" or even debate whether National Socialism is left or right.

Keep crying. You're just terrified of being stuck with the Fake Right label that is entirely appropriate for you. There is nothing you can do about it. It is true in literally every sense of the word.

You're every bit as deceitful as the neocons because you consciously adopted their tactics and made them central to your self-identification. That was a tremendous mistake. The vast majority of the white people you profess to want to save want absolutely nothing to do with you.

Now, you can ignore me, or attack me, or you can listen to me. Obviously, the retards have chosen the second option. I am not surprised. But not all of you are that stupid. Give up your hate for God and embrace the Christian West. It is the only viable option.

Blogger ZhukovG September 08, 2017 7:37 AM  

Al From Bay Shore: Yes, it could be said that 'Integration is African-American Genocide'.

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 7:40 AM  

I wonder if the 4chan autist crowd is holding the Alt-Right back.

Blogger maniacprovost September 08, 2017 7:42 AM  

I wonder if the 4chan autist crowd is holding the Alt-Right back

I think the dumber 50% of the Alt Reich are holding back the 4chan autists.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 08, 2017 7:43 AM  

@ Antony, doesn’t history repeat, first as tragedy, then as farce? IIRC, one of the first satirical Robin Hood movies had at least one black actor.

These days amidst the Onion Phenomenon, all remakes are satirical, even if unintentionally. Make that "especially."

Blogger Mackus September 08, 2017 7:44 AM  

Isn't common argument (one I disagree with) that: "Nazis needed to kill everyone in the east, because they needed food to feed themselves"?
I don't think that argument sticks, but its very common and I think it needs rebuttal. Personally, I think GPO hurt war effort, because peasants resisted being starved and hoarded grain, rather than sell their surplus to Germans.

Blogger Koanic September 08, 2017 7:44 AM  

> You're completely blind to the rhetorical angles

Why would I worry about the rhetorical angles? You're already taking care of it.

Anonymous kultist of kek September 08, 2017 7:45 AM  

Your comment about the planned elimination of Slavs is, of course, incorrect, as Germans were close allies with a number of Slavic nations like Croatia during that time...

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 7:45 AM  

@7 Simple fact is that the white race is not breeding enough to sustain itself and so will simply fade away.

Simple fact is, if the White race were not staggering under the BURDEN of CARRYING millions and millions on NON-Whites, they would have no problem at all with carrying on their civilization. We are NOT rabbits who need to breed millions of offspring to have some survive to reproductive age.

We CANNOT "out-breed" non-Whites and -- unlike the lesser races of people who breed heedlessly and without the ability to keep those offspring ALIVE (without White help, which we MUST stop giving!!) -- throwing them OFF our backs financially, 'locationally' (they MUST GO BACK!!), and in every other way will allow White civilization to do JUST FINE!

If we were NOT 'carrying the White man's burden'-we'd be doing doing wonderfully! SET IT DOWN! NOT our problem!

Blogger ZhukovG September 08, 2017 7:46 AM  

@VD: Yes the Fake-Right, Fake-Nationalists each seem to fall into one of three categories:

1. Globalist Left infiltrators.

2. The terminally stupid.

3. The well meaning, but misinformed.

The third group is salvageable and justifies the efforts you have been making at contrasting Leftist National Socialism with Alt-Right Western Civilization.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 08, 2017 7:47 AM  

The posts and commentaries as of late appear to me to be clearing the path towards a "libertarian nationalism". I might be wrong though.

I'm not seeing the libertarianism. Given its Utopianism, that's a relief. I no longer read or debate about how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

Anonymous kultist of kek September 08, 2017 7:48 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:I'm not seeing the libertarianism.
And I am not seeing the "nationalist" part, as your admin is seemingly completely plugged into that anti-nationalist mentality that is so common among anglos.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2017 7:50 AM  

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Blogger dc.sunsets September 08, 2017 7:50 AM  

@ Celtic M, you're either accepting the frame of the enemy (i.e., embracing defeat before the initial skirmishes are over) or you're part of the problem (childless, MGTOW, etc.)

People who straight line project any trend into an unknown and unknowable future are perpetually misinformed.

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 7:52 AM  

@25 Most of the people identifying themselves as Nazis ... just see this anti White wave threatening to overwhelm them and our society. They simply want to stop being vilified, denigrated and marginalized.

So, they thought they'd help themselves by making themselves LEGITIMATE targets to be "vilified, denigrated and marginalized."

Yeah, how's THAT workin' out for yah!?

Anonymous Nick September 08, 2017 7:54 AM  

I was talking to one of these purported Identitarians in Cleveland at the GOP convention last year. I mentioned at one point that I was Polish, his half-joking reply "is that even white?" Perhaps its just American ignorance on European nationalism, but there's also an unhealthy preoccupation with an imagined Germanic ideal that turns me off to them.

This post makes a great point. It's seldom discussed outside of Poland but just as many Polish Christians (mostly Catholics) were killed in Poland as Polish Jews, 3 million each. The Jews were an easier target numerically, the way many of them stood out (physically, clothing, language, failure of many to assimilate with Poles in any way) and their inclination to concentrate in cities. If Hitler had more time he would have killed 100 million people. For more on this subject I recommend Forgotten Holocaust: The Poles Under German Occupation, 1939-1944 by Richard Lukas.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2017 7:54 AM  

Exactly. Many who are somewhat familiar with WWII history fail to understand how deeply stupid, and how utterly doomed, Hitler's grand strategic vision was. The Germans never had a chance from the very moment the Austrian Anschluss began.

Nazi dependence of slave labor was profoundly stupid.

Prime example, tank production.

Tanks are surprisingly fragile pieces of equipment.

One of the biggest headaches for guys that restore WWII German tanks is how badly the tanks were machined. They are drastically worse than a 1970s Detroit Car built on a Monday. Gears with misaligned teeth. Sprockets that had holes drilled on only one side or more cleverly drilled only part of the way through either one throws the weight off and makes things go crunch.

It was deliberate.

Slaves have no vested interest in their owners having a good day on the battlefield.

Anonymous Nick September 08, 2017 7:55 AM  

I was talking to one of these purported Identitarians in Cleveland at the GOP convention last year. I mentioned at one point that I was Polish, his half-joking reply "is that even white?" Perhaps its just American ignorance on European nationalism, but there's also an unhealthy preoccupation with an imagined Germanic ideal that turns me off to them.

This post makes a great point. It's seldom discussed outside of Poland but just as many Polish Christians (mostly Catholics) were killed in Poland as Polish Jews, 3 million each. The Jews were an easier target numerically, the way many of them stood out (physically, clothing, language, failure of many to assimilate with Poles in any way) and their inclination to concentrate in cities. If Hitler had more time he would have killed 100 million people. For more on this subject I recommend Forgotten Holocaust: The Poles Under German Occupation, 1939-1944 by Richard Lukas.

Anonymous VFM #6306 September 08, 2017 7:57 AM  

Koanic, you are correct, but it the triangle will always undergo pressure changes as the extreme vertices terminals exert pressure.

The nascent shoving of the competitor extreme out of its 30-plus year perigee is inevitable.

That it is described in the old, familiar l-r spectrum is just a cutaway shorthand. It works fine.

Blogger Matt@Occidentalism.org September 08, 2017 8:00 AM  

48. VD,

"Keep crying. You're just terrified of being stuck with the Fake Right label that is entirely appropriate for you. There is nothing you can do about it. It is true in literally every sense of the word."

Now you are doing it to me! I bought most or all of your books (happy to send you proof, btw, hope you are honorable enough not to dox me if I do) and also quite a few from Castilia House. I haven't read most of them but I bought them so you would get money.

"You're every bit as deceitful as the neocons because you consciously adopted their tactics and made them central to your self-identification. That was a tremendous mistake. The vast majority of the white people you profess to want to save want absolutely nothing to do with you.

Now, you can ignore me, or attack me, or you can listen to me. Obviously, the retards have chosen the second option. I am not surprised. But not all of you are that stupid. Give up your hate for God and embrace the Christian West. It is the only viable option."

You say I am deceitful. You say that I hate God. The map is not the territory. I am not responsible for your hallucinations.

Here's hoping you will see some sense and not let pride and ego get in the way of clear thinking. Plenty of friendly people are giving you good advice, but you have hardened your heart to it.

Blogger Johnny September 08, 2017 8:00 AM  

If you want to refight the war and ask how the Germans could have won, the biggest screw up was the treatment of the Eastern European groups. The USSR was an empire that had many discontented minorities, and they had been treated brutally. The whole situation was ripe for getting them involved in some sort of German Empire, which could well have worked, provided it was inclusive enough to share power. Instead of an effort in that direction they alienated these populations with brutal treatment. Along with that, Hitler thought he had won far too soon and started treating these non German speaking groups like they were livestock. It was a premature implementation of Hitler's exotic theories on race.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 08, 2017 8:00 AM  

@VD, given the starvation blockade at the end of WWI, it's almost surprising that the Nazis didn’t plan on exterminating everyone on the British Isles.

Hitler's regime, like Lenin' and even Mao's, can be directly traced to the worldwide vicious insanity surrounding the decade of the 1910's.

This has significant relevance for what we should expect AFTER the first wave down from our current folly, & after the ensuing rally (our Roaring 20's?) flames out. The seeds planted during the immediate denouement of this largest-ever credit bubble will sprout truly apocalyptic pitcher plants ~20-30 years later.

Anonymous TS September 08, 2017 8:01 AM  

"I'm not seeing the libertarianism. Given its Utopianism..."

One thing libertarians get right is there promotion of Bastiat's writings especially where he talks about the fallacies that are constructed on what you see and not taking into account what you don't see.

Case in point...

"If Hitler had more time he would have killed 100 million people..."

And pretty sure most of them would have been white.

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 8:01 AM  

Hey so about those Japs warring on Australia...

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 8:10 AM  

@30 It is a pirate flag in an age where piracy has shifted from the high seas to the Internet.

How much better would it serve to use a flag MOST (White) people can actually support? "Pirates" attacked normies; normies feared and hated pirates. (JUST like they felt about Nazi's!)

If the 'costume' you're choosing is harming you (us!) more than it's eliciting support ... it's the WRONG costume!

Notice that it's generally pretty true that fanatic moslems want to cut your head off, and "moderate" moslems want their fanatics to cut your head off. The SUPPORT of the normies is important. It may not be vital, but it's important. Making the normies recoil in disgust or horror DOES. NOT. HELP! The Alt Reich may think it's fun, but it's the opposite of useful...


I've been gabbing with a couple of "Nazis." I think/hope I may be making some headway -- because, even if the guy I'm 'discussing' with never gets it; my goal is the audience! Those "nazis" who maybe aren't into only horseplay and ignoring the 'save my people' stuff MAY be reachable by watching other discussions from the sidelines.

e.g., I posted:
I AM a Vox fan. Your "real right" is boys (NOT men!) who take idiot pleasure in making people recoil, rather than in trying to save and protect their families, their racial kin, their tribe, their nation! Boys smearing feces and laughing hysterically, rather than MEN fighting for their people!


To "SSThunderwolf88":
Would the SS respect you for your "work"? OOOH, look! You made people recoil! What a strong tough man you are, how MUCH you have contributed to trying to SAVE YOUR PEOPLE! THEY were willing to lose their lives for their nation. What are you doing for yours?

and;
Yup. You're SS alright! Questions from a WOMAN and you run away with an insult... Yeah, Herr Himmler and the Schutzstaffel would be SO proud of you!! Stood your ground like a man, you did! What a warrior! How MUCH you have shown you can do for your people, little wolfie. (You insult wolves!)

and:
I notice you did NOT address "where do your kids learn HONOR"?!! From your friends' delight in offending people? Where do your kids learn loyalty to THEIR people, since you don't have it? Where do they learn which is more important: (metaphorically) flinging feces or FIGHTING for their people?

and:
How does having 4 kids equate with *acting* like 4-yr-olds? Is that how you're raising your kids? (Or is your ex-wife raising them?) Where will they learn pride in HONOR? Do you differentiate honorable men from 70 years ago (who, alas, lost) from today's fake nazi's?

Not sure if that's dialectic or rhetoric (or both?) but it DOES ... echo ... because 'wolfie' has to keep coming back and try to defend himself...

Blogger Student in Blue September 08, 2017 8:11 AM  

Am I the only one who can't view the image in the post? It's spitting a 403 forbidden.

Blogger Student in Blue September 08, 2017 8:12 AM  

The second I type that, the image becomes viewable. Odd.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 08, 2017 8:14 AM  

{bangs head on desk}

God some of you are stupid. By that I mean those who sill think Hitler did nothing wrong, and swastikas are okay.

Let's ignore the fact that the Eastern European slavs welcomed the Nazis as liberators only to be butchered for 'not being white'. But also the fact Hitler persecuted the German race as well.

I really hope someone is dumb enough to keep arguing. I have family photos of how terrible life was for Germans.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 8:15 AM  

Plenty of friendly people are giving you good advice, but you have hardened your heart to it.

It's not good advice. Look, it's pretty simple. First, I am going to debate Andrew Anglin BECAUSE HE AND HIS FANS requested it. I had zero desire to do so. THEY called for it while I was debating Greg Johnson, then started going crazy after it was announced.

Second, I am going to ensure that the defamation posted on Gab is permanently removed. It will happen, one way or another.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 8:16 AM  

You're SS alright! Questions from a WOMAN and you run away with an insult... Yeah, Herr Himmler and the Schutzstaffel would be SO proud of you!! Stood your ground like a man, you did! What a warrior! How MUCH you have shown you can do for your people, little wolfie. (You insult wolves!)

That is rhetoric. And it is beautiful. Women have certain rhetorical tactics that are very effective for them. Female scorn for the male coward is one of them.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 8:23 AM  

"Work out. Dress better. Get a job. Talk to a pretty girl. Read the Bible. Get married. Have children. Any one of those acts would be more genuinely revolutionary, and accomplish more towards saving the white race, than spending the next ten years Swastika Panty-larping."

Roll Tide.

As we have long said... we will start believing Alt-Retard actually cares about the future of the white race when they start having the white children the 14 words they hold so dear talk about.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 08, 2017 8:27 AM  

I wonder if the 4chan autist crowd is holding the Alt-Right back

Nah. They tend to reject the Alt-Right label because they're suspicious of all labels, leaders, and attempts to turn them into a movement. They also criticize the label because of the Alt-Reich leaders who call themselves Alt-Right, whom they've suspected of being plants for a long time. (They're more respectful of Ben F-ing Shapiro than they are of Spencer, Kessler, et al., which is striking.)

But I'd say they're entirely open to the 16 points. And since Vox isn't trying to be a leader, they don't have a reason to reject him or the 16 points on that basis. Discussions there about saving the white race focus more on improving yourself, marrying a white woman, and having babies (by the way, they haven't missed how many of the self-appointed Alt-Reich leaders have had Jewish/non-white wives and girlfriends). You're more likely to find practical discussions of how to form communities that will survive the breakdown of empire than grandiose plans of how to turn the empire into a tool of white supremacy.

If you go there and say, "Join the Alt-Right, brothers, and follow me to victory!" you'll get BTFO. But if you say, "Hey, I was reading the 16 points and had some thoughts about point #X," you may get a pretty good discussion that could only be rivaled in a few places like this blog.

Blogger Sherwood family September 08, 2017 8:28 AM  

Leftism kills whites: Nazism, Communism, Feminism, Liberalism, and Progressivism. More than any combination of foreign armies. If you want to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children you must reject Leftism...in all of its forms.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass September 08, 2017 8:28 AM  

Yep. Alt Reichtards always leave that part out. I studied the European theater at the graduate level. A good book, which can be found on Amazon, is A War to Ve Won.

Post WWII plans called for the area that used to be Warsaw to be a train stop and small village.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2017 8:32 AM  

The origin of Nazi theories on race would still be hilarious if they hadn't been put into such horrifying grizzly practice.

Nazi race theory is based on the goofy ravings of a 19th century con-artist known as Helena Blavatsky.

"The Aryan races, for instance, now varying from dark brown, almost black, red-brown-yellow, down to the whitest creamy colour, are yet all of one and the same stock -- the Fifth Root-Race -- and spring from one single progenitor, (...) who is said to have lived over 18,000,000 years ago, and also 850,000 years ago -- at the time of the sinking of the last remnants of the great continent of Atlantis."[

So you see it didn't really matter if you were White, you just had to be Aryan.

And what was Aryan?

Whatever the hell Himmler wanted it to be.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer September 08, 2017 8:35 AM  

The problem is that history is simply not being taught. I remember an article I read a few years ago. Guy in the diplomatic corp was trying to fill a spot in Japan. He was interviewing young people who were already in the diplomatic corp, Ivy League graduates all, and as part of the process would ask them questions concerning WWII in Asia. None of them had any knowledge of it beyond the most basic of facts. And they seemed upset that he would be asking such questions and did not understand why they were pertinent.

To top it off, someone in the comments section said that such knowledge wasn't necessary for such a position because if some factual knowledge was needed, then it could be looked up.

Blogger Mats September 08, 2017 8:36 AM  

The hatred for Christianity should tell right away who is their god.

Blogger Sherwood family September 08, 2017 8:42 AM  

Do not get me started on the diplomatic corp. What they do not know would fill volumes. And I say that as a diplomat.

Blogger dc.sunsets September 08, 2017 8:48 AM  

@ TS, I agree. Bastiat, Say and de la Boetie offer brilliance transcending ideology or -ism.

The true greats were those pioneers who looked past the veneer to articulate central axioms of human behavior.

What is seen, and what is unseen, indeed.

Anonymous kultist of kek September 08, 2017 8:49 AM  

@82
Even tho the subject is obviously unsavory for the modern academician, existence of base Indo-Aryan populace is a fact.
As for Theosophy, those are ravings inasmuch as any random, out-of-context quote taken from Bible can appear as such.

Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 8:50 AM  

@77 Deeply honored, Dark Lord. Haven't quite memorized Chapter 10 in SJWAL, but been studying the Master!

(Oh and, of course, a bit of jumping up and down clapping with delight! {wink})

Blogger Johnny September 08, 2017 8:51 AM  

Sherwood family wrote:Leftism kills whites: Nazism, Communism, Feminism, Liberalism, and Progressivism. More than any combination of foreign armies. If you want to secure the existence of our people and a future for white children you must reject Leftism...in all of its forms.

Friends and enemies is what it amounts to. The left makes an enemy of its own population. Alt-right prefers outsiders as adversaries.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 08, 2017 8:56 AM  

Between the empires, Nazi, Soviet Commie and now the American Idiocracy whites are in a pickle.

Blogger John P September 08, 2017 8:58 AM  

I am Polish American. Both Grandparents came to USA in the 1920's. My Father and my three Uncles all fought in WWII in Europe. No love for the Germans. My Father was a Combat Engineer, my Uncle Emil a Artillery Forward Observer, Uncle Eddy a Corporal in the Infantry and other Uncle Eddy also in an Infantry unit. All saw years of action. I am a retired Army Officer. Screw Nazis and anyone who tries to call me one just because I have traditional values.

Anonymous Rip September 08, 2017 9:03 AM  

This seems like a weak argument. Democrats were the party that supported slavery, so are Democrats the real racists? No, none of the Democrats support slavery today, just like none of the Nazis today support killing 20% of the white race.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 08, 2017 9:06 AM  

I mentioned at one point that I was Polish, his half-joking reply "is that even white?"

Yes, for people as obsessed as they are with popularity, and needing allies as they do, they sure like to read people out of the movement. Are Poles white? Italians? Greeks? Irish? What if you're 7/8 documented German but 1/8 Egyptian Jew on your mother's side but you have blonde hair? Maybe, maybe not, guess you're supposed to help them usher in their grand new future and then find out.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 08, 2017 9:06 AM  

@87

Even tho the subject is obviously unsavory for the modern academician, existence of base Indo-Aryan populace is a fact.

Kid, you don't want to debate genetic haplogroup studies with me. I am not a freshmen year dropout. Wikipedia can only take you so far.

As for Theosophy, those are ravings inasmuch as any random, out-of-context quote taken from Bible can appear as such.

Those ravings are the basis for Himmler's homemade religion. He built his own bible around them. He was a Spiritualist and Oculist and the entire SS was centered around these beliefs.

You can't call yourself a real Nazi if you don't buy into them. I didn't make the rules here, Hitler did.

Anonymous Anonymous September 08, 2017 9:07 AM  

"Well, according to Solzhenitsyn, Communism led to the actual death of 60 million Eastern Europeans"

Solzhenitsyn wasn't in a position to make an accurate estimate when he wrote that.

The Black Book of Communism estimates 20 million murdered by the Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union, and another 1 million in the other nations of Eastern Europe.

Almost all of these deaths occurred before 1957. In other words, the heavily Jewish Communism of the early Communist era, 1918-1957, was deadly. The gentile Communism of 1958-1991 was relatively benign.

Hitler could be blamed for all the tens of millions of people who died in WW2. If he had been content with unifying Austria and Sudetenland to Germany, there would have been no war. In early 1939, he occupied the Czech lands of Bohemia and Moravia, betraying the Munich agreement and causing the British to decide his word was utterly unreliable.

Read about Operation Tannenberg. In the first few months of the German occupation of Poland, more Poles were murdered than during the entire reign of terror in the French Revolution. That is just one small instance of Nazi mass murder of Slavic people. Hitler started mass murdering the Poles before he started mass murdering the Jews.

Blogger Sherwood family September 08, 2017 9:13 AM  

Tell us more , Woo. We're all dying to hear it. Tell us all about how the National Socialist German Workers' Party was not socialist. This is bound to be fascinating.

Anonymous deplorable September 08, 2017 9:15 AM  

"No, none of the Democrats support slavery today..."

LOL You expect them to come right out and say it! "Guess it depends on what is is"? Keep reading grasshopper, government IS slavery and the slavery conditions get worse the bigger it gets.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 08, 2017 9:16 AM  

Woo you need to take that surefire strategy to the streets, you are the secret Fuhrer, be that Fuhrer bro.

Blogger VD September 08, 2017 9:17 AM  

If you can't be civil and comment without descending into vulgarity, don't comment here.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 9:19 AM  

We know most of these guys do not pray or read the bible. But..but, do many of them even work out? They never talk or know anything about modern warfare, and couldn't even understand General Lee's defensive tactics in the US Civil War, let alone Fourth Generation Warfare, or Maneuver Warfare.

Hey, boys, how much can you Bench, Squat with, and if someone hit you so hard in the gut that it literally lifted your body off the ground, could you just laugh it off, then kick the other guy's butt?

Anonymous Jack September 08, 2017 9:27 AM  

@Vox There's a book about Nazi occultism. It's called The Secret King.

I'm just sayin.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 9:32 AM  

@Cataline -

You mean things like, say, the notion of the Germans as part of the "Scandinavian Race" is utter tripe, the British aren't actually British, or "where the hell did the Huns go?" It's fascinating to me how incredibly terrible early genetic science was.

@Cail -

Funny thing about the Poles: in terms of defending Europe from Muslims and holding out against powerful neighbors for centuries, their only real competition in esteem is Charles Martel. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to listen to Sabaton's "Winged Hussars".

Oh, and if anyone wants a symbol to trigger the hell out of everyone, I recommend trying some of Martel's Heraldry.

Blogger Student in Blue September 08, 2017 9:38 AM  

@93. Cail Corishev
Maybe, maybe not, guess you're supposed to help them usher in their grand new future and then find out.

Pure 100% Bavarian phenotype, Murdoch-chan.

Blogger kennymac September 08, 2017 9:39 AM  

My favorite comment so far is from Matt. "We're only Nazis because we hate Jews, not because we're Socialists!" You can't get much more retarded than that.

Anonymous Sheiko29 September 08, 2017 9:42 AM  

"Work out. Dress better. Get a job. Talk to a pretty girl. Read the Bible. Get married. Have children."

These guys draw largely from the incel and MGTOW crowd. Failed men beyond help.

Blogger Nate September 08, 2017 9:46 AM  

"It's called The Secret King."

ok now that's damn funny.

Blogger Don't even think bout it September 08, 2017 9:53 AM  

No. The Nazis did not think more highly of Arabs than most non-German whites. Arabs are are part of the Semite race and are closely related to Jews. Anyone who thinks Hitler thought highly of them simply because of a few occasions where praised Islam's War-like quantities needs to revavulate his whole arguement, and they were willing to work and ally with many Slavs (Bulgaria, Croatia etc).

Blogger mgh September 08, 2017 10:02 AM  

"Work out. Dress better. Get a job. Talk to a pretty girl. Read the Bible. Get married. Have children" Great advice. Better advice to nazi wannabees: Go to feminist pussy hat protests and practice game on them. Find a purple hair girl who is actually cute once you remove the feminist trappings. Convert her, marry her, and have babies. Two birds, one stone.

Blogger James September 08, 2017 10:07 AM  

Celtic Morning wrote:Simple fact is that the white race is not breeding enough to sustain itself and so will simply fade away. Unless the races that replace it decide to speed up the process violently. Which is probable.

I see comments like this a lot on pro-White websites. Saying that the White race will cease to exist at some future date because such-and-such is happening right now and will continue to do so for the rest of time. How many times has a White country or empire been defeated? And what happened after the defeats? Did the White Romans cease to exist when the Western Empire fell? No. They became Italians. Speculating about a future you cannot know leads to fantasies like flying cars by year 2000 or colonies on Mars by now. Every projection is based on what is happening now, but what is happening now keeps changing. For all those that have a Christian bent, why do you think something as beneficial for the whole world as the White race would cease to exist? Ins spite of what the media and the jews (I know that is redundant) say about how toxic the White race is and how we must be bred out of existence, it all depends on what God's will is, doesn't it?

Blogger OneWingedShark September 08, 2017 10:10 AM  

Antony wrote:they plan on using the black actor Jamie Foxx to play the role of Little John in a re-make of Robin Hood!
So, completely missing the entire point of "Little" John being a BIG guy, like "Much" the Miller being a small guy. -- It's like they're complete idiots, incapable of understanding humor... but that's a given if they're SJWs (as all evidence indicates).

Blogger Todd Brown September 08, 2017 10:17 AM  

You guys are taking this way too personal. Only a very few people identify as natso or Nazis. https://dailystormer.at/why-i-dont-identify-as-a-national-socialist/

Blogger Andrew Brown September 08, 2017 10:22 AM  

This article is a prime example of why I have been reading this blog for many years.

Blogger OneWingedShark September 08, 2017 10:23 AM  

mgh wrote:"Work out. Dress better. Get a job. Talk to a pretty girl. Read the Bible. Get married. Have children" Great advice. Better advice to nazi wannabees: Go to feminist pussy hat protests and practice game on them. Find a purple hair girl who is actually cute once you remove the feminist trappings. Convert her, marry her, and have babies. Two birds, one stone.
You might be making flawed assumptions here -- namely that they can be "converted", and that even if conversion is possible that feminism can be purged.

The truth is that feminism is a psychological poison that co-opts its host just like those zombie-creating parasites, and like some insidious pathogen seeks to spread its foul taint to all women. -- it is something that would fit in with the mythos of War Hammer 40,000 -- Milo was right in that it's worse than cancer, but that's like saying the sun is hotter than frozen mercury.

Given the above, do you think that it's as simple as "turning" the infected woman? Or, like smallpox, does it leave lasting and scarring effects?

Blogger Orthodox September 08, 2017 10:24 AM  

Greg Johnson discusses his debate with Vox: My Debate with Vox Day

My take on the situation is that there's a group of people who think this is their moment to push Nazism/national socialism as a political agenda, and they have convinced a lot of young people/trolls to play along for the lulz. Even if you grant some use for trolling, there's nothing to be gained from a serious application of 1930s German politics or of using Nazi trolling within the Alt-Right, unless you are worried there are too many people who agree on ethnonationalism and other aspects, but otherwise disagree with most of Nazism.

As Greg says in his article, it is stupid to be debating whether Nazism is leftist because Nazism is irrelevant. But the onus isn't on Vox to stop calling it leftist, but for others to find something relevant to promote.

Johnson:
My view is that we should abandon the Alt Right “brand” entirely. It only functioned when it was sufficiently vague to allow there to be a conversation between White Nationalists and people who were closer to the mainstream, which allowed White Nationalists to make converts and build connections. But Andrew Anglin and Richard Spencer have pursued a strategy of polarization between the Alt Right and what is now called the Alt Lite that has deprived the term of its original utility. So they can keep it. There need to be new spaces, free from Right-wing sectarianism and purity spiraling, in which new lines of communication, influence, and conversion can emerge.Whatever you want to call them, they were angry that people like Milo were being lumped in with the Alt-Right and they upped the Nazi rhetoric to drive people out of the term. That's their MO, trolling and associating things with Nazism. It was also done with Pepe when normies will seen as co-opting the meme, although that was a much wider effort. Attempts to make journalists think the OK sign is Nazi, that milk is white supremacist, are all similar operations. It is funny with journalists because it exposes their biases and stupidity, but within the AltRight, where dialectic is elevated, it turns into purity spirals.

Blogger Alex Linder September 08, 2017 10:28 AM  

Would Europe be in better shape today if Hitler had won?

Of course it would.

And everybody here including Vox knows that.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 08, 2017 10:30 AM  

According to Rummel, the Nazis murdered around 21 million in total. Subtract the 7 million non-whites (Jews and Gypsies) and you're still in the tens of millions (14 million). Hitler and his followers killed twice as many whites as he did non-whites. VD's point stands not only according to flatly stated Nazi goals, but actual killings. Nazis are an epic fail even at the 14 points. Rummel isn't the only one whose done numbers of course, but numbers for Nazis, USSR and PRC seem to vary wildly (especially the last two).

Blogger Student in Blue September 08, 2017 10:30 AM  

@114. Orthodox

Greg is missing the fact that people like Anglin and Spencer will follow any quasi-nationalist identity, so only abandoning the Alt-Right brand won't fix anything.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 10:31 AM  

Reviews of The Secret King vary from one to five stars. Hitler's own degree of paganism is still not clear. Not that it matters much.

Blogger Student in Blue September 08, 2017 10:34 AM  

@115. Alex Linder
Would Europe be in better shape today if Hitler had won?

A retarded monkey would leave Europe in better shape today if it had won. It does not mean that a retarded monkey is a good leader or policy, just very slightly less bad. It's still a retarded monkey though.

Anonymous PAC September 08, 2017 10:35 AM  

@114

Thanks for that link. Greg Johnson is a brilliant man.

Blogger Orthodox September 08, 2017 10:35 AM  

@117

I agree. They'll try to co-opt whatever term possible. But I think the larger point is that a line is being drawn and people are choosing sides, and it's not because of the precise placement of Nazism on the political spectrum.

Anonymous Pennywise September 08, 2017 10:35 AM  

Hitler actually wasn't too fond of the Arabs as mentioned. In 1939, his military commanders were told "He found them to be a useful idiot because of their joint disdain for Jews. Hitler had his generals and admirals in 1939 that "We shall continue to make disturbances in the Far East and in Arabia. Let us think as men and let us see in these peoples at best lacquered half-apes who are anxious to experience the lash." Again, useful idiots in the Nationalist Socialist movement quest, which was decidedly conservative in nature, to unify the nation.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 10:40 AM  

Don't even think bout it wrote:No. The Nazis did not think more highly of Arabs than most non-German whites. Arabs are are part of the Semite race and are closely related to Jews. Anyone who thinks Hitler thought highly of them simply because of a few occasions where praised Islam's War-like quantities needs to revavulate his whole arguement, and they were willing to work and ally with many Slavs (Bulgaria, Croatia etc).

Wrong, Hitler made the Muslim Brotherhood an ally, and he had about 200,000 Muslim troops (Two divisions) at one point. The Muslim Brotherhood spied for him in the Middle East, and their Grand Mufti was a VIP guest in Berlin for four years of the war.

Anonymous BBGKB September 08, 2017 10:42 AM  

Kratman said the left breeds so little that Breivik culled many leftists lines.

The Nazis literally planned to murder tens of millions of white people, but were prevented from doing so by losing the war

More germans died in the 5 years after the war than during the war
https://www.amazon.com/Hellstorm-Death-Nazi-Germany-1944-1947/dp/1494775069/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

If there was a separate African-American ethno-state, what government, in your opinion, would best serve them?

The biggest problem black cities have is corruption. Harlem & Compton leaders didn't even care when MS-13 illegal alien gang bangers ethnically cleansed blacks out of neighborhoods.

by the false compression of political variation into a spectrum, when a triangle is more sociobiologically appropriate

Actually a rhombus is more rhetorically sociobiologically appropriate

Blogger James September 08, 2017 10:45 AM  

OneWingedShark wrote:Antony wrote:they plan on using the black actor Jamie Foxx to play the role of Little John in a re-make of Robin Hood!

So, completely missing the entire point of "Little" John being a BIG guy, like "Much" the Miller being a small guy. -- It's like they're complete idiots, incapable of understanding humor... but that's a given if they're SJWs (as all evidence indicates).


So, you don't see the puerile jokes coming, 'bout how he be big downstairs, you know, like all black men?

Anonymous bearspaw September 08, 2017 10:53 AM  

@64 My grandfather was a machinist from Swabia. HE WAS pressed into service first at a factory that built Tigers. He told me stories of such sabotage, forgotten parts etc. He was later sent to Wilhelmshaven to work on submarine assembly.SAME story there.

Anonymous Grayman September 08, 2017 10:53 AM  

@7 @56 Avalanche

You are correct the west will never outbreed the "r" selected hordes. To survive in competition with "r" populations the west, "k" populations must be highly territorial, as "r"'s take over not by strength but by numbers, as a parasitic population, a parasitic “infection” in you will. The only way to prevent that is to never allow them into a "k" society, to treat them as a disease.

The other major aspect of that is economic. The modern debt based economic system is inherently an "r" based economic system since it requires a continuous positive growth rate (i.e. exponential growth). A stable "K" society would need a steady state economic system that is based on an approximate 0% rate of growth (slight fluctuations above and below 0 over time). The modern “r” selected debt based economic system is suicidal for a mature, stable “K” population.
That also requires nationalistic / restrictive economic policies with external (foreign) entities that run growth based economic systems, as a growth based economic system will rapidly asset strip any steady-state economic system given free access to said steady-state economy.

As VD has touched on before, we must have both pieces, the social structure and the economic structure, either one by itself is unstable. And realistically such a set of systems would never be put into place by a representative government, they are to easily gamed by monied interests. Such a system would probably only come to be under a strong leader of an autocratic nature.

Blogger James September 08, 2017 10:54 AM  

BBGKB wrote:

If there was a separate African-American ethno-state, what government, in your opinion, would best serve them?

The biggest problem black cities have is corruption. Harlem & Compton leaders didn't even care when MS-13 illegal alien gang bangers ethnically cleansed blacks out of neighborhoods.


I have noticed that whenever blacks are in charge of their own governments they are essentially dictatorships by da big man! When they inherit White forms of government, like in Rhodesia, South Africa, or any major urban area, they fill the governmental posts but usually da top dawg makes the decisions and enforces his will with violence.

Blogger tuberman September 08, 2017 10:54 AM  

The very foundations of White Identity have been under attack for decades. So, immature youth will grab on to the easiest solutions, as loss of Identity can lead to "soul death," which is exactly what the Globalist/Left wants to happen.

The rediscovery of Western Civilization and Christianity takes maturity and a certain character has to be extracted from genetics again. You could say that NaziLarping is a cheap bandaide. There is an "orgy of identification" in NaziLarping that feels Magical.

To actually rediscover Western Civilization takes work.

Blogger Ingot9455 September 08, 2017 11:02 AM  

@52 The Robin Hood - Prince Of Thieves movie is hilarious if you watch it as a time travel movie. Then Azeem, Morgan Freeman's black Moor character who breaks Robin out of jail in Jerusalem and gets him back home, is obviously the Time Patrol agent sent to make sure the Robin Hood legend comes off. Which is why he has a telescope, and kitbashes up gunpowder, and any number of other out-of-time things.

Blogger FALPhil September 08, 2017 11:02 AM  

@115 Would Europe be in better shape today if Hitler had won?

Of course it would.

And everybody here including Vox knows that.


Saving this one as a great example of a straw man argument.

Smarter and more adept men than Hitler have attempted hegemony in Europe. It tends to be slippery and elusive. And since socialism has failed or is failing everywhere it has been tried, it is a funny straw man argument.

Anonymous deplorable September 08, 2017 11:05 AM  

"Would Europe be in better shape today if Hitler had won?

Of course it would.

And everybody here including Vox knows that."

Annnt! Wrong question. Europe would have been in even better shape had Hitler stayed out of politics.

Anonymous Grayman September 08, 2017 11:06 AM  

Side note: any steady-state "k" selected economic system generally cannot be debt based. The interest rates on expanding debt in a debt based system would force expansion of the economy or a debt collapse

There are potential exceptions but I dont think they would be realistic, it would be too tempting to remove any statutory limitations on debt expansion hence converting the system to an "r" type debt based economy.

Anonymous Grayman September 08, 2017 11:16 AM  

@131 @115

Even if we play the what-if game of hitler winning, his empire would have fallen apart probably sooner than later due to economics if for no other reason. You would have ended up with a group of nations states eventually regardless.

Anonymous RobertL September 08, 2017 11:30 AM  

To be fair to Adolf, he did plan on a greater than 1:1 replacement of those targeted with other white people.

Given the Czechs were pretty keen on sabotaging the Austro-Hungarians during WW1, were ethnically cleansing the Sudetenland and rolled over without a fight when Germany actually decided to protect its ethnic kin, there's an argument that they were asking for it. The countries listed took their revenge in terms of more ethnic german civilians killed between 1945 and 1949 than during the war, so you could say nationalism is inherently anti-white.

Also, it is clear that Communism, for all its tremendous flaws, is in practice more objectively pro-white than National Socialism is nonsense, you are comparing the NS larpers who long for a bastion of white unity with the mores of the Europe of the 1930s where the difference between nation and country was only within the context of what is now constructed as "white" identity.

Blogger harlem_rocker September 08, 2017 11:42 AM  

We might actually believe your nonsensical allegations if you could actually produce a certified copy of General operation Ost- but it never existed.

You swallow way too much liberal/ Marxist post war anti white propaganda.

Anonymous Gen. Kong September 08, 2017 11:52 AM  

@67.
I read OD quite a bit. I don't think it would accurate to paint most there as fake-right. You should not be white-knighting for Spencer though. As VD has demonstrated, Spencer is a globalist. He believes in the EUSSR (though he shifts his words back and forth on the subject when he's confronted directly about it). Spencer also admitted enemy (all fake-news are enemy) directly into the NPI conference, which was trashed by fake-Nazis acting out - which enabled fake-news to kvetch endlessly about the fake Nazis while they ignored the actual violence carried out by Antifa. Taken together, Spencer's behavior seems like that of an enemy infiltrator (William F. Cuckley version 2.0). Same thing took place in Charlottesville. Most of the rank and file are not fake-right, but clearly some of those allowed to hold leadership positions are (Jason Kessler - who only "converted" after Trump's victory - are you kidding me? How in the hell did someone who was an Obamabot until December 2016 get elevated to a leadership role by August 2017?? That reeks of infiltration). Yes, the enemy are labelling us all Nazis but it's mindlessly stupid to embrace Nazi regalia even as a rhetorical device, regardless of how much it triggers SJWs and their funders. Doing so does not collapse the enemy's false narrative. It does just the opposite by propping it up.

Anonymous RobertL September 08, 2017 12:12 PM  

RobertL wrote:To be fair to Adolf, he did plan on a greater than 1:1 replacement of those targeted with other white people.

Correcting my own error. The replacement rate was approximately 1:2 for Poland.

@harlem
You Swallow ... Stop there and read the blog rules

Generalplan Ost is a bit of a sticky one. It may never have existed as a single document, but ethnic cleansing was definitely the German plan for Eastern Europe. All that lebensraum had to come from somewhere.


Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 12:30 PM  

@92 just like none of the Nazis today support killing 20% of the white race.

DOES. NOT. MATTER! This is what y'all do not get! You will NEVER be able to 'rehabilitate' the Nazi's. No matter how high and wide you spread the proofs, the numbers, the photos, the records, the log books, the proven lying of the jews (and the Brits!)(and the Americans) -- NOTHING WILL EVER suffice.

All the proof in the world -- and all the proof outside the world -- will not EVER undo the 70 years (SEVENTY YEARS!!) of deep 24/7/365, 360-degree brainwashing that Earth's Whites have been subjected to. NOT EVER.

Is that fair? Hell no. It is true? Hell YES! So -- what's your end goal? Keep tilting at windmills, even as the invasion army is tearing them down?


Just posted two more the one of my Nazi interlocutors over on Gab:

Wolfie, maybe I should have given you a better idea about me. I MARRIED a man who had served for a year+ as body guard to Matt Koehl. Do you know who he was? (God HELP the supposed Nazi who does not!) You want to discuss serious Nazism? Been there, loved that -- but it's OVER! Alas, but true.


Now that we know it's over -- and NON-recoverable (non-applicable to the U.S. on top of that!) -- WHAT are you going to do for your family, your tribe, your racial kin? Waste hours and days (waste YOUR LIFE!?) driving OFF those people? Or step up and serve as SS TO THEM? What is the POINT of you?


Anonymous Avalanche September 08, 2017 12:39 PM  

@115 Would Europe be in better shape today if Hitler had won?
Of course it would.
And everybody here including Vox knows that.


And it still DOES. NOT. MATTER!

However sad we may be that the Nazi's lost; they ARE not and will never BE a useful icon or idea TODAY in the West! Which is your goal -- to keep trying to FORCE people to see what they will never see? Or to SAVE OUR RACE and civilization?!

Pick one, you CANNOT have both. (Well, hell, you cannot ever have the nazis rehabilitated -- it just WILL NOT HAPPEN! (MPAI, eh?)

Anonymous Jack Amok September 08, 2017 12:48 PM  

Celtic M, you're either accepting the frame of the enemy (i.e., embracing defeat before the initial skirmishes are over) or you're part of the problem (childless, MGTOW, etc.)

I'm pretty certain the vast majority of people who bring up low Whites fertility rates out of the blue fall into one of three categories:

-Gammas/Omegas who use it as a salve for their own limited chances to reproduce

-Deltas (and maybe a few Gammas) who use it as justification for marrying an Asian or Jewish wife.

-Enemy agents trying to sow defeatism.

Anonymous Jack Amok September 08, 2017 1:00 PM  

Avalance, regarding the pirate flag...

Popular entertainment has made pirates a symbol of the little guy striking back against The Man for a while now. There's a romantic element that appeals to independent-minded men.

Nazis are the opposite. No individualism, instead you get the comfort of belonging to the movement. The Fatherland and the Fuhrer will look out for you...

But our fundamental problem when it comes to symbols is that most of our institutions have been corrupted, so the symbols create conflicting emotions. I prefer a Betsy Ross flag to the modern 50 star version. Maybe that's the key to the symbols we need - going back a bit, to our history before we let our institutions become corrupt.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 1:25 PM  

Heck, anyone who injects "white race" into any argument earns a considerable amount of skepticism. There's greater genetic variation in the post-600 AD peoples of the British Isles than there is in the majority of East Asia. Good luck trying to convince the Asians of an "Asian Race". The vast majority of European history is white people killing other white people.

Blogger Orc_Democracy September 08, 2017 1:45 PM  

"Work out. Dress better. Get a job. Talk to a pretty girl. Read the Bible. Get married. Have children."

x1000

Thanks Vox!

Blogger DeploraBard September 08, 2017 1:55 PM  

The enemy is satan. He hates humanity. He hates Christians particularly. Everyone likes to point out that Hitler hated the Jews, which he did. But he killed and was going to continue killing more white Europeans than Jews. Now a modern Jew has his heart hardened against goy christians. Precisely from this ordained jealousy stems our blessing and will lead to their redemption. Satan knows this. It was just as much his intention to slaughter/cripple Christianity with Hitler as it was to kill jews. Hitler was evil in every sense, a tool of satan. There is NOTHING redeeming about him, his tactics,or his legacy. These larpers need to see the truth of it.

Blogger Orc_Democracy September 08, 2017 1:57 PM  

Having 5 babies is easier than the war your grandfathers fought. And they fought that war and still came back to make 5 babies.

Anonymous Hi September 08, 2017 2:03 PM  

@VD
"in light of the results of the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe, it is clear that Communism, for all its tremendous flaws, is in practice more objectively pro-white than National Socialism."

Oh man you gave Anatoly Karlin priapism with that comment.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 2:04 PM  

One example from Ukraine in 1941. Ukrainians were ready and willing to fight on the side of the invading Nazis for reasons like "Holodomor". 6 million murdered by the Soviets was a powerful motivation. The Nazi army could have added the equivalent of 10 infantry divisions in a matter of weeks.

But they didn't. Instead, Nazi occupation was so bad that Ukrainians were willing to fight on the Soviet side. Ukrainians were in Red Army units that invaded Germany in 1945.

How stupid is that? Very stupid? Incredibly stupid? Insanely stupid? Nah, it's beyond that, it's "Hitler stupid".

Don't go full retard. Don't be "Hitler stupid".

Anonymous BBGKB September 08, 2017 2:31 PM  

I'm pretty certain the vast majority of people who bring up low Whites fertility rates out of the blue fall into one of three categories:

If it wasn't for having to pay for Latrina's 21 crack babies Whites could afford to have more of their own.

"Work out. Dress better. Get a job. Talk to a pretty girl. Read the Bible. Get married. Have children."

If you wax between your eyebrows and trim your nose hair computers will detect that you are gay.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/07/new-artificial-intelligence-can-tell-whether-youre-gay-or-straight-from-a-photograph

Blogger VFM #7634 September 08, 2017 2:40 PM  

First, Hitler thought more highly of both the Asians and the Arabs than he did of most non-German whites.

Not to mention the fact that Hitler thought it would be good if the Germans converted to Islam.

"In Mexico, there is the Far Left, the Not-quite-so-far Left, and the Catholic Church-corporate alliance which is almost ruthlessly non-ideological."

Now in Latin countries, there's just different flavors of Left because the Catholic Church has been converged since Vatican II.

The Ukrainians, Polish, Czech, etc thought they might get a better deal from Nazis than Communists and ended up having good reason to viscerally hate the Nazis.

@21 JACIII
I've never understood why Hitler didn't regard the Slavs as primordial Aryans rather than Untermenschen. Never understood it at all.

Are we SURE Angela Merkel isn't a closet Nazi?

Hitler actually wasn't too fond of the Arabs as mentioned.

@122 Pennywise
Sure. Most Muslims, especially the Turks and Persians, don't admire the Arabs either. But Hitler did admire Islam.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 3:02 PM  

With a few notable exceptions, these aren't 1930's Nazis. They're not calling for the extermination of Slavs. And the Democratic Party is no longer (at least officially) the party of segregation.

And they can't be Fake Nazis and Actual Nazis simultaneously. The Alt Reich are predominantly Fake Nazis and pro-white.

Blogger StrongCoffee61 September 08, 2017 3:05 PM  

Some people just can't resist the childish behavior to engage in political masturbation.

Wearing silly clothing and embracing emblems and speech that are extremely inflammatory, but have no positive value. It gets their rocks off, but has no reproductive value in terms of growing White racial solidarity and it brings embarrassment to the critically important movement of defending Western Civilization.

I appreciate that these groups want to defend White peoples, but they need to mature beyond the juvenile phase and, also, understand how important capitalism is to allowing Whites to achieve greater separation from lower IQ racial groups and to have an economic system that is compatible to White's innate sense of self reliance and enterprise.

Unfortunately, it's likely that the Nazi form of political masturbation just feels to good; therefore, the true defenders of European peoples and Western Civilization are going to be hampered by our unwanted and retarded little brothers.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 08, 2017 3:53 PM  

@151 Noah
With a few notable exceptions, these aren't 1930's Nazis.

Dude, they admire 1930's Nazis.

They're not calling for the extermination of Slavs.

Dude, they admire Hitler stupid, which did call for that.

And the Democratic Party is no longer (at least officially) the party of segregation.

That's making a comeback in #NoWhiteDemocrats.

And they can't be Fake Nazis and Actual Nazis simultaneously.

Dude, nobody said that. The Fake Nazis admire the Actual Nazis who were led by Hitler stupid to exterminate Slavic whites. Is this too complicated for you?

The Alt Reich are predominantly Fake Nazis and pro-white.

Dude, Yellow Fever is not "pro-white". Neither is Matzo Fever.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 4:19 PM  

@153 You're conflating admiring someone with agreeing with their beliefs. Despite the widely professed admiration for Nazis and Hitler there are very few among the Alt Reich who are advocating their actual policies, especially the more disagreeable ones. It's a glaring inconsistency, sure, but people hold contradictory beliefs all the time. E.g. Democrats admiring Bill Clinton while believing that women never lie about being raped.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 4:42 PM  

"You're conflating admiring someone with agreeing with their beliefs. Despite the widely professed admiration for Nazis and Hitler there are very few among the Alt Reich who are advocating their actual policies, especially the more disagreeable ones."

For the 10,000th time, *this does not make it better*.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 4:49 PM  

@154
@153 You're conflating admiring someone with agreeing with their beliefs.

Yeah, that's often how it works. Is this too complicated?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 4:53 PM  

For the 10,000th time, *this does not make it better*.

Yes. It Does. I'll definitely take the guy with cognitive dissonance and a bizarre fetish for a historically inaccurate version of Hitler over the one who wants to actually murder millions of whites.

The first guy needs some serious lessons in relating to people and it's probably wise to avoid publicly associating with him until he gets his act together. The second guy is a psychopath.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 4:54 PM  

@156 It's not complicated, just wrong.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 4:59 PM  

@158 Noah
@156 It's not complicated, just wrong.

Why is it wrong?

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 08, 2017 4:59 PM  

The first guy needs some serious lessons in relating to people and it's probably wise to avoid publicly associating with him until he gets his act together. The second guy is a psychopath.

Uh ... not to belabor the obvious, but is EITHER person one you want to get associated with politically, let alone someone you want to allow to drive the train?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 5:02 PM  

@127 Noah

Yes. It Does. I'll definitely take the guy with cognitive dissonance and a bizarre fetish for a historically inaccurate version of Hitler over the one who wants to actually murder millions of whites.


The first tends to lead to the second. Read the history of the Russian revo, or Mao's revo, or the Cuban revo, or the Cambodian revo. Ideas have consequences. Seriously, is this too complicated for you?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 5:13 PM  

@159 I began with the specific example that the self-identified National Socialists of today mostly aren't advocating murdering Slavs. The fact that they express admiration for Nazis doesn't mean they want to kill Slavs, it means they hold some conflicting beliefs.

So saying "that's often how it works" is irrelevant, because this isn't one of those times when it works that way.

@160 No, definitely not my first choice.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 5:22 PM  

@161 You're spouting hysterical nonsense. The Alt Reich isn't stomping to invade Russia, the deep state is. You're failing to correctly identify the Alt Reich's ideas, so your likelihood of accurately foretelling the consequences of their ideas is minimal.

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 5:27 PM  

Frankly, I don't find "let's mass-murder millions of Jews" to be a more admirable view than "let's mass-murder millions of whites". If you do, I certainly am not on your side.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 5:31 PM  

IIRC Vox has said that Jews need to return to Israel. That would satisfy practically all of the Alt Reich.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 5:51 PM  

@162 Noah
@159 I began with the specific example that the self-identified National Socialists of today mostly aren't advocating murdering Slavs.

Nah, they just greatly admire stupid Hitler who did murder Slavs.
So when someone else who admires stupid Hitler suggests murdering someone in the name of stupid Hitler, what will happen?

The fact that they express admiration for Nazis doesn't mean they want to kill Slavs, it means they hold some conflicting beliefs.

It means they are very, very, very stupid and prone to support mass murder. Why is this a good idea to you?

So saying "that's often how it works" is irrelevant, because this isn't one of those times when it works that way.

This is exactly how it works. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas. Lay down with Nazi fanboys, get up with ... what?

@160 No, definitely not my first choice.

Second choice?

Blogger James September 08, 2017 5:53 PM  

S1AL wrote:There's greater genetic variation in the post-600 AD peoples of the British Isles than there is in the majority of East Asia.

I would love for someone that actually uses this phrase "there is greater genetic variation blah-blah woof-woof than yada-yada to explain what they think they mean. Do you mean there are more hair colors and types, hence more genetic variation? Or, is it really something you just read somewhere? Please explain it to me with the scientific data that validates such a statement. The one I've seen most is that "there is more variation within the White race than between the White and black race." Now, that's some contorted logic!

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 5:54 PM  

Lay off the video games and Japanese porn Nazi Wannabes. Tell the "White Race Is Doomed" shills to lay off their Nigger Porn too.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 5:55 PM  

So when someone else who admires stupid Hitler suggests murdering someone in the name of stupid Hitler, what will happen?

We get the Hitlerpocalypse, which is like six trillion Sharknados. Should happen any minute now.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 5:57 PM  

@163 Noah
@161 You're spouting hysterical nonsense. The Alt Reich isn't stomping to invade Russia, the deep state is.

Nice goalpost move.

You're failing to correctly identify the Alt Reich's ideas,

They admire Hitler. So they admire Hitler's stupid.

so your likelihood of accurately foretelling the consequences of their ideas is minimal.

The consequences of their ideas if they had any power is disaster. Since the alt-Retard are stupid LARPers the likely consequences of their ideas is zero because they are poo-flinging retards who can't actually do anything, but instead are parasites on those that can.

These are the people you want to actively recruit, why? Friends of yours, family, what? Why do you want these moronic wankers at your back and mine?

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 5:58 PM  

Noah B how many video games do you play and how much Jap porn do you watch.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 08, 2017 5:59 PM  

Noah B
So when someone else who admires stupid Hitler suggests murdering someone in the name of stupid Hitler, what will happen?

We get the Hitlerpocalypse, which is like six trillion Sharknados. Should happen any minute now.

More likely we get something retarded like Charlottesville, or something equally retarded that feeds SJW's more ammo. That would be a good thing to you?

Blogger Salden September 08, 2017 6:01 PM  

You're talking to an Alt-Reich they're too autistic to grasp socialization.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 08, 2017 6:03 PM  

@170 The consequences of the Alt Reich's ideas have gone from Great Leap Forward to zero in less than ten posts. That's quite a spread.

@171 Zero of both. You?

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 7:08 PM  

@167 James
I would love for someone that actually uses this phrase "there is greater genetic variation blah-blah woof-woof than yada-yada to explain what they think they mean

You'll be waiting a long time.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents September 08, 2017 7:12 PM  

@174 Noah
@170 The consequences of the Alt Reich's ideas have gone from Great Leap Forward to zero in less than ten posts. That's quite a spread.

Well, now you're just lying.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 08, 2017 7:18 PM  

Noah's ideal football team:
Wide receivers are 300 pound obese lesbian asthmatics who need their inhaler every 2 minutes.
Linemen are pencilnecks who can barely stand up.
Backfield consists of LARPers who throw Roman salutes during plays rather than do anything.
They all arrive on a short bus with well-licked windows.

Noah's the quarterback. The rest of us Just Don't Understand.

Anonymous Luke September 08, 2017 8:07 PM  

Re the OP:
Fair points, but, anyone that reveres the West and wants it to survive would have no problem coming up with >20% of whites that need to croak to ensure that outcome. (Anyone that disagrees, just go witness a gay pride/anti-Trump parade, or just spend a day hanging around a non-STEM department at one of the >90% of U.S. colleges that aren't conservative.)

The REAL question is WHICH 20%+ of whites need to leave the West, never to return. That's a large question, but I think that genetic testing combined with observable life outcomes should suffice in most cases...

Blogger S1AL September 08, 2017 9:00 PM  

"I would love for someone that actually uses this phrase "there is greater genetic variation blah-blah woof-woof than yada-yada to explain what they think they mean. Do you mean there are more hair colors and types, hence more genetic variation? Or, is it really something you just read somewhere? Please explain it to me with the scientific data that validates such a statement. The one I've seen most is that "there is more variation within the White race than between the White and black race." Now, that's some contorted logic!"

The first one is simple to explain. Each gene within the human genome may or may not have multiple variants. Some have one or two, some have dozens. The ones that control hair and eye color are obvious examples, but in those cases we've often identified at least 16 different genetic segments that affect it. In the case of intelligence the math indicates we're looking at up to 10,000.

Example for intelligence: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/40-more-intelligence-genes-found

Explanation of simple variants: https://infogalactic.com/info/Single-nucleotide_polymorphism

Here is a general overview on human genetic variation: https://infogalactic.com/info/Human_genetic_variation

For the common variations that exist within Britain, see: https://www.nature.com/news/uk-mapped-out-by-genetic-ancestry-1.17136

Another example would be lactase tolerance. There are actually three different variants of three different genes that cause lactase tolerance. 99.9% of people with lactase tolerance have the same variant. Two small tribes in Africa are the only sources of the other two variants. And none of this addresses the factors like gut bacteria that affect lactose intolerance.

Now, the biggest factor you're probably missing is that most genetic variation doesn't visible exist. This the fact that 95%+ of all human genetic variation can be found in sub-Saharan Africa despite the lack of variation in skin color and eye color and hair color.

The second part of your question is an effect of how statistics works. Any human population group is going to have a huge range of genetic variation. When you compare a group average to a group average, there's statistically marginal variation compared to the total variation within a group.

One other factor of this is that the "black race" is a farcical notion. There's literally no such thing. The "white race" is also farcical, but European, Mediterranean, and Asia Minor ethnic groups contain far less genetic variation than sub-Saharan Africans.

If you want to see this in action, https://www.google.com/amp/s/leadingpersonality.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/average-faces-of-men-and-women-around-the-world/amp/

You'll notice that even regional African composites contain vast variation in facial features, while the variation across all East Asians is relatively tiny.

That's just a surface-level overview. Human genetics is utterly fascinating.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( i'm sorry you raped Andrea Dworkin and i disavow your Patriarchal Cisheteronormative Bourgeois Consciousness in shame ) September 08, 2017 9:16 PM  

58. dc.sunsets September 08, 2017 7:47 AM
I no longer read or debate about how many angels fit on the head of a pin.


stipulating that God is omnipotent, the answer is obvious:
as many as He wants to stand there, up to the entire Angelic Host.

Blogger harlem_rocker September 08, 2017 10:20 PM  

General Plan Ost is Allied propaganda, as no such verified plan has ever been produced.

Blogger harlem_rocker September 09, 2017 9:23 AM  

Very sad to see that Vox believes in such anti white propaganda garbage. The notion that National Socialism is anti white comes straight from the communists, liberals, and some kosher conservatives.

Blogger John rockwell September 09, 2017 9:58 AM  

@Salden
''Sillon Bono: Whites aren't Niggers. Whites in recorded history who lived in civilization have only had TFR rates in the threes at most (and that's being generous). The Western world's TFR had been sinking prior to WW2 with the Baby Boom being a fluke enabled by the slaughter. ''

The TFR was actually 4.5-6.2

Among married women 5.1-6.8

https://ourworldindata.org/fertility/

Blogger Roger G2 September 09, 2017 6:24 PM  

Since SJWs hate the whites so much, it stands to reason they should be pro-Nazi, with Hitler statues on every college campus.

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