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Sunday, September 10, 2017

The ideas, they percolate

An article on PJ media about a distressed young liberal woman who keeps finding out that the men to whom she is attracted turn out to be Trump voters.
No woman wants a man she can push around, walk all over, or beat in an arm-wrestling match. Politics be damned. That's not how biology works. (Now, I realize I may be talking to biology deniers, but you asked "why can't I stop?" and this is why. Biology.) Women are naturally attracted to alpha males and not that gamma guy in a onesie with fragile wrists. The left has emasculated their men to the point of putting them in dresses and sending them into the ladies' room. It's no wonder you need to shop outside your herd. Why the heck wouldn't you?

The reality you're facing is that your guys are the ones getting a wedgie and ours are the ones you want to go home with. I don't blame you.
People often think that influence is somehow related to everyone knowing your name. That's not influence. That's fame.

On a related note, I've been hearing for the last week or two that the various kerfluffles with the two Andrews, Anglin and Torba, are "bad PR" and bad for my brand.

The objective measures:
  • Twitter followers declined from 33,000 to 32,800
  • Five Infogalactic Burn Unit members canceled their subscriptions. All five have already been replaced.
  • Daily average site traffic increased 5 percent
  • Daily average book sales increased 225 percent
  • 7 8 new Legal Legion of Evil volunteers.
It would appear there is a sound basis for the Fake Right theory that Mike Cernovich became a successful shekel-grubbing book salesman on the basis of metaphorically punching Clown Nazis. That wasn't my intention, but if this is what "destroying my brand" looks like, I think I can live with it. Although perhaps the more apt term would be "thrive" on it.

By the way, there is going to be a BIG surprise awaiting the self-appointed experts on defamation presently expressing their legal theories on Gab. I have to admit, I was genuinely shocked myself to discover what is actually considered defamation per se in the relevant jurisdiction. I mean, there is not a single non-lawyer, on either side of the issue, who had a clear grasp of the actual legal situation at hand.

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Anonymous CoolHand September 10, 2017 5:51 AM  

You totally lost the debate and everyone is laughing at you Vox.

Also, Trump will never make it out of the primaries and it's impossible to manufacture things in the USA.

The internet told me so.

Anonymous CoolHand September 10, 2017 5:55 AM  

BTW, once my next batch of parts bears fruit, I'll be replacing one of those Burn Unit fellers what gone walkabout.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 10, 2017 5:55 AM  

Patiently awaiting for 9, October. #SJWsAlwaysDoubleDown

Anonymous 5343 Kinds of Deplorable September 10, 2017 6:01 AM  

Seems self-defeating to try to pull the plug on Infogalactic. It's the least partisan thing you're involved in, and it's to their benefit as much as anyone's.

Oh, wait, if these guys are Anglin followers, they're not much on information, are they.

Anonymous Asatru Heathen September 10, 2017 6:03 AM  

It works both ways. I was set to buy a few thousand $ of Gab shares. Not any more.

Blogger Shimshon September 10, 2017 6:08 AM  

Gives new meaning to "still not tired of winning."

Andrew lost me at "I am more alpha than you will ever be." TL:DR "I am gamma." I would think he would relish the opportunity to prove his free speech bona fides by fighting this all the way to subpoena. Even if (when) he loses, he still wins. He's taking this way too personally, as if it were his own statements being question. Is that youth, or gamma? In retrospect, I'm glad I didn't have the means to invest in his crowdfunding initiative.

Blogger Unknown September 10, 2017 6:11 AM  

War propheteering has always been a good business. That's why the Redshields did it. Their children's children live in hell.

Blogger JACIII September 10, 2017 6:11 AM  

Asatru Heathen wrote:It works both ways. I was set to buy a few thousand $ of Gab shares. Not any more.

Yep. Even I was thinking of buying into GAB. (And I don't buy into anything I can't see). Still may, if it look likes @a is able to keep himself under some better public control.
It's a jungle out there and I think he needs a mentor. Maybe keep a retired Exxon Mobeeeel executive around?

Blogger Mats September 10, 2017 6:15 AM  

Women dont like the "men" they have created? I am trully schocked. 😁

Blogger Al From Bay Shore September 10, 2017 6:18 AM  

My wife was like "You follow the Alt-Right?" I was like "No, I follow the Manosphere."

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 6:26 AM  

Vox's attack on Gab when the common interest dictates he subordinate his personal issues to the greater good is a moral obscenity to any right thinking person.

But as we learned yesterday, Vox is not a 'right thinking' person. He explicitly stated the leftist dogma the individual is the basic unit of society. Wrong. The RELATIONSHIP between TWO people is the starting point of society. His autistic conception of 'right' and 'left' boils down to a distinction between possessive and expressive individualism. Vox, if anyone is 'fake right' its you. Take your faggot whig individualism masquerading as tradition, your nerd rage, your cult of personality knob gobblers, and GTFO the way of our nationalist operations.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 6:35 AM  

@7 Shimshon

I'm willing to give Torba the benefit of the doubt for now. That stunt the Anglin Collective pulled with going to the Registrar is forcing Gab to pretty much become its own registrar, plus other changes. Oh, and since Torba is now with a lot, on paper, if someone nearly stole ~6 million USD from you, you'd be a little short during the week.

If, beyond the PII stuff, this is still an issue in 2ish weeks, then there's a problem. Also, the shares have been sold out for a while now.

Matt is great humor. Understands very little, but it's funny to watch him flail around.

As to the article, it's been a running talking point on T_D. Women want to vote for Hillary, but get the D from Trump voters. Considering we know the T differential between Right & Left already, it's utterly expected situation. (Let's ignore the issue that, in his actual physical presence, they'd want his as well. You occasionally see Melania Trump doing some mate-guarding when there's a larger group around Trump, which is a great sign for them.)

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 6:43 AM  

Since we're talking Texas "defamation per se" and I know there's a host of court cases on it, I'd like to bet that horses and/or cattle will enter the equation. Along with suggesting a Woman is unfaithful or that his children are not his own. (A lot of the "Bastard" laws/protections are actually still on the books.)

Anonymous kfg September 10, 2017 7:02 AM  

"You must be talking about the third world jurisdiction of Anguilla."

Anguilla is a UK dependency. As such it is, by definition First World. Its legal system is British. Defamation and libel/slander are not the same thing. Defamation is necessary component of libel slander.

In the US, defamation itself is not a tort. In the UK, where a man's name is held to be of inherent value, it is, so the bar for legal action is lower.

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 7:05 AM  

"I mean, there is not a single non-lawyer, on either side of the issue, who had a clear grasp of the actual legal situation at hand."
That sounded distinctly like a dry, evil chuckle.

Anonymous kfg September 10, 2017 7:21 AM  

"First world by definition - LOL."

Words have meanings.

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 7:24 AM  

@19,Oh golly. The good opinion of a fat, pasty faced Nazi is so very central to my sense of well being.

Anonymous Avalanche September 10, 2017 7:25 AM  

@7 Andrew lost me at "I am more alpha than you will ever be." ... He's taking this way too personally,

You know, when I first read/saw a bit of this, (I'm not following Andrew Torba anymore; and don't really care how it turns out with him, so long as 'we' get the Alt-Reich muzzled a good bit); my FIRST thought was -- are there fake 'Vox Day's sniping at Torba (as there are several fake 'Anglin's dribbling over here)?

The bits-and-pieces I've seen/read about of Torba's reaction have been SO out of character (as against what little I saw of his character before) (maybe I should write, so out of character for a seemingly quite successful tech business man?), that I wondered if he was reacting to FALSE information. (As my first reaction to the fake Cernovich postings (here? at Gab? somewhere) was a surprised recoil; I thought maybe Torba was responding to a fake.)

Guess not?

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 7:26 AM  

@19 Sing louder Lemur! SING WITH ALL YOUR HEART!
"Tomorrow belongs to meeeeeeeeee"

Anonymous Avalanche September 10, 2017 7:30 AM  

@20 "First world by definition - LOL."
Words have meanings.


Only on the Right.

Blogger SouthRon September 10, 2017 7:33 AM  

Lemur's language, absurd attempts at shaming, and homoerotic obsession all show that he and his are creatures of the left. Thank his tree-swinging monkey ass for once again proving the soiled swastica panties are leftards.

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 7:38 AM  

@26 are we sure Lemur's a he? Lemur sounds a lot like someone pretending to be a man.

Blogger JACIII September 10, 2017 7:41 AM  

SouthRon wrote:Lemur's language, absurd attempts at shaming, and homoerotic obsession all show that he and his are creatures of the left. Thank his tree-swinging monkey ass for once again proving the soiled swastica panties are leftards.

or 14.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 7:42 AM  

@22 Avalanche

I'm on a slightly different time schedule than most, and Torba seemed to be posting early & late in either EDT or CDT all week. He might be down about 15 hours of sleep on the week, and by the end it really seemed to be showing.

The Stormpoopers have also been flooding his mentions to influence him with lots and lots of FUD. Which means they're basically ruining his feedback loop within the community.

However, Vox's initial statement to the one defamer could be taken a few ways, and a low-sleep Torba took it the wrong direction. Which the stormpoopers went about confusing even worse. Vox in SDL mode catches most people off guard and they tend to take it wrong. To make matters more complicated, we found a "bug" in Gab's TOS as a result of this.

I think think Gab's position on "PII with subpoena only" is a good one, which didn't seem to bother Vox. That, however, lead to the long chain where Torba clearly needed to put his phone away for the night.

Blogger Rebel Skate September 10, 2017 7:45 AM  

Nothing shows the failure of the U.S. school system greater than a whole generation of people actually believing that Nazis are right-wing.
This drives me crazy. How is it even up for debate? What part of Socialists do they not understand?

Anonymous Causal Lurker September 10, 2017 7:47 AM  

wreckage, a different song is called for:

"I like to LARP-er LARP-er!
You like to LARP-er LARP-er!
We like to LARP-er LARP-er!
They like to ... LARP-er!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1okAt2sOmNg

Annoying ringtails, they ruin everything.

Blogger SouthRon September 10, 2017 7:49 AM  

It's almost like Vox is right. Nothing to loose in separating yourself from these clowns.

The Notsees attack him. He gets stronger. They become weaker. Joe Six Pack, his wife, and kids join the Alt Right.

Blogger JACIII September 10, 2017 7:50 AM  

@a's feed is full of altretard. He'll come to the same conclusion as VD. Lot's of folks feel empathy for them, at first. Hell, I almost felt sorry for Andrew Anglin yesterday.
Then they pooop on the rug. Over. And over. And over.....

Blogger Stilicho September 10, 2017 7:53 AM  

@JACIII Larpers gonna larp

Blogger Antony September 10, 2017 7:54 AM  

To get back to the original subject, but also to throw a question to all these people who continually bang on about "Thots" ad nauseum and are pushing the "white sharia" troll... how does this tally with how you claim to want European men and women to get together and have kids etc ? Do you really think that most people don't want to have a sexy time ? - how do you propose that people meet up - in monasteries ?!
The sexiest gang in town always wins - think long and hard about it before you come out with policies that are just going to put most people off.
I think most of the people you see keep gibbering on about thots on facebook etc are either closet cases or shills for antifa and other (((organisations))).

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 7:58 AM  

@34 JACIII

Almost the same. I had no love for the idiots, but unpersoning an entire group when they've done nothing illegal is a bit much. At the same time, I have no qualms with them being restricted to their own websites, as they're actively destructive to whatever place they show up to.

Once he moves to ignore them, en masse, things will get back to normal. They're desperately seeking attention. Which, again, makes them extremely homosexual in nature, but we've established that already.

Though I'll still laugh at #Liftwaffe jokes. Those are funny.

Blogger Stilicho September 10, 2017 8:08 AM  

Re: nature of influence... I smile every time someone says SJW'S always project/third law, discusses the Rights of Englishmen as the basis for the Revolution, or uses #MAAA.

Eventually, I'd like to see wider understanding that patriotism and nationalism are the same thing... and following up by rubbing the Left's face in it, repeatedly. The triggering lulz would be endless.

Blogger Stilicho September 10, 2017 8:12 AM  

@39 yet here you are, seeking attention. Dude, everyone hates Illinois Nazis.

Blogger JACIII September 10, 2017 8:14 AM  

lyovmyshkin wrote:@13

"I'm willing to give Torba the benefit of the doubt for now."

I'm sure he's extremely relieved by that. I'll go tell him.

"Hey bro, this sad weirdo cult member of that place everyone on the internet is laughing at right now is going to give you the benefit of the doubt."



You go do that. 'Cause sure as hell he isn't sick of morons in his feed. /s

Blogger Ransom Smith September 10, 2017 8:16 AM  

Hey bro, this sad weirdo cult member of that place everyone on the internet is laughing
Everyone on the internet? Shut it down then. Everyone on the internet is mad at Vox and co. Surely this will be the end.

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 8:21 AM  

"Lemur's language, absurd attempts at shaming, and homoerotic obsession all show that he and his are CREATURES of the left. Thank his tree-swinging monkey ass for once again proving the soiled SWASTICA PANTIES are leftards."

Note how the vocabulary of the cult leader filters down to the acolytes. Vox described Anglin yesterday as a 'creature of deceit'. Swastica panties is another of his phrases.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan September 10, 2017 8:25 AM  

As interesting as the cat fight is the comments at the article are gold.

Blogger Felix Bellator September 10, 2017 8:27 AM  

The rule must be modified, SJW and Nazis always project. Cult leaders indeed.

Blogger Lazarus September 10, 2017 8:29 AM  

Felix Bellator wrote:The rule must be modified, SJW and Nazis always project. Cult leaders indeed.

Swastika Justice Warriors

Blogger rws September 10, 2017 8:33 AM  

@46 More like Swastika Juicebox Warriors, I'd say.

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 8:34 AM  

the line of rhetoric about me having latent homosexual tendencies is truly a lulzy one considering you're all ostensible "expert" anti-SJW types. Must be Real Frankfurt School hours here, what with the implication a value-positive judgement actually reflects psychological abnormality. OH, but you don't LIKE being called faggots, so you resort to the tactics of the people you love to hate. Tsk tsk.

Blogger Stilicho September 10, 2017 8:35 AM  

@43 Lemur, did you even read the OP? After all, you are commenting, so one may safely presume some passing familiarity with English. I'll hazard a guess: you only wear swastika panties ironically? Either way, nothing to get your swastikerbockers in a knot about.

Blogger roughcoat September 10, 2017 8:35 AM  

Lemur wrote:"Lemur's language, absurd attempts at shaming, and homoerotic obsession all show that he and his are CREATURES of the left. Thank his tree-swinging monkey ass for once again proving the soiled SWASTICA PANTIES are leftards."

Note how the vocabulary of the cult leader filters down to the acolytes. Vox described Anglin yesterday as a 'creature of deceit'. Swastica panties is another of his phrases.


How sinister! It's totally unheard of for groups of people or communities to develop their own terms and in-group language. We should invent a new word to describe the phenomenon!

*thinks*

What do you think about "jargon"? Has a nice ring to it, right? Yeah, we'll call it jargon.

You and your buddies remind me of those fuckwits who freak out over every single thing President Trump says or does. You're just obsessively hating on Vox Day instead.

Anonymous Kat September 10, 2017 8:38 AM  

Lemur: would you prefer "swastika pasties"? I'm sure some of y'all are trying to hide moobs.

Anonymous CrystalBlue September 10, 2017 8:43 AM  

Lemur @12 said, "Vox's attack on Gab when the common interest dictates he subordinate his personal issues to the greater good is a moral obscenity to any right thinking person. "

So you think that being freely able to accuse someone of criminal activity, with impunity, is "for the greater good?"

It's one thing to call someone an idiot -- which you clearly are -- because being an idiot is not a crime. Accusing someone of a crime becomes a case of "put up or shut up." And if those who make the unsubstantiated accusation hide, then they must be dug out and exposed for the craven liars they are.

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 8:53 AM  

"Swastika Flattering Control (TM) Shapewear", thankyouverymuch.

And "Swastika Young Miss (TM) Universex Underwire" has shaped and curved their moobs into a true fashion asset.

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 8:55 AM  

its one thing to have 'in group' language. it's quite another to ape whatever line dear leader is spewing.

Blogger SouthRon September 10, 2017 8:56 AM  

How cute, the chimp thinks Vox originated swastika panties.

Later y'all. We're headed out to spend the day with, encourage and uplift some Florida evacuees this fine Sunday morning.

Blogger JACIII September 10, 2017 9:00 AM  

wreckage wrote:"Swastika Flattering Control (TM) Shapewear", thankyouverymuch.

And "Swastika Young Miss (TM) Universex Underwire" has shaped and curved their moobs into a true fashion asset.


You sick f**k. That's almost as bad as one of Steve's links.

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 9:01 AM  

Well let's think about this crystal blue.

Vox melts down after a couple of minor Nazi Larpers call him a pedo. Putting aside the legal technicalities, what is the hierarchy of moral good here? Making Vox whole for an accusation no one believes? Or is it supporting gab in every way possible as an outlet for the right (the force of good) in a virtual environment almost wholly controlled by the left?

Furthermore, now Vox has got /pol/, DS, and TRS riled up, the pedo accusations will be repeated ad infinitum in a Streisland effect. And there's no way Vox is going to be able to sue like a jew in all of those cases.

So, Vox in this case needed to take one on the chin for the team, but as I said above, Vox doesn't really believe in the team. He believes in the beep boop autism of pro free market jews.

Blogger JACIII September 10, 2017 9:03 AM  

Do keep in mind: Altretard is sending their best.

And they can't make the top fifty list.

Blogger Matthew September 10, 2017 9:05 AM  

Lemur wrote:Note how the vocabulary of the cult leader filters down to the acolytes. Vox described Anglin yesterday as a 'creature of deceit'. Swastica panties is another of his phrases.

Come on, Lemur. As if no one ever riffs on PMAN tropes or tries to spread his terminology. Take a step back and you'll see many of the same patterns here as at MPC, with the difference that PMAN has a much lower tolerance for bad posters. The login requirement alone filters out a lot of drive-bys and lazy people.

I understand being unhappy with Vox for his recent actions. Bring your best, instead of say, breathlessly posting a pornographic parody of his writing and credulously claiming he ACTUALLY wrote that.

Blogger Matthew September 10, 2017 9:07 AM  

Try analyzing this as well as you do the Syrian conflict.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:10 AM  

They're probably fit for the bottom three.

Imawrongskin makes it three for today.

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 9:11 AM  

And remember, Lemur. We won't judge you for not having a proper dad.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:13 AM  

"And remember, Lemur. We won't judge you for not having a proper dad."

There's a word for that, but it's too good for the NatSoc LARPlets.

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 9:14 AM  

PMAN isn't some linguistic despot, and he certainly isn't fashioning himself as the 'supreme dark lord' or pretending psychology 101 is some advanced RHETORIC.

If the so-called 'alt-retard' are trying to drag the dissident right into another failed bout of white nationalism, Vox is trying to drag us back to the basic bitch Republican shtick of 'muh individual liberty.' Probably goldbuggery too if he had the chance.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot September 10, 2017 9:16 AM  

VD: "I mean, there is not a single non-lawyer, on either side of the issue, who had a clear grasp of the actual legal situation at hand ..."

Experience as a litigant also qualifies.

Hope you've enjoyed the side shows ... especially the distracting ones.

So you have competent representation after all.

Jolly good. Keep us informed and bemused as much as circumstances permit. :-)

Blogger Matthew September 10, 2017 9:17 AM  

No, PMAN is a frog, not a dark lord.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:17 AM  

It occurs to me that the larplet fricksmayed may be appropriate workers for the fertilizer industry. They're batty, leave refuse everywhere, and they already smell of cr**, so there should be no complaints forthcoming from them.

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 9:18 AM  

"There is no left or right, only nationalists and globalists" - Marine Le Pen

Vox doesn't get this, and over the past few weeks he has tried to impose his blinkered vision on the dissident right. He's crossed a line, and that's why he's encountering pushback.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:19 AM  

Sorry, I said "workers" when obviously I meant "assets". My mistake.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables September 10, 2017 9:19 AM  

Since the nat SOCIALISTS reject the individualistic rights of Englishmen in favor of their collectivist socialist claptrap and 'greater good' BS, I suggest, that for the greater good, they follow the example of their beloved Hitler and put a bullet in their own brain for the greater good. If they decide their individual life has some merit, that they reassess and reject their leftist, collectivist, and destructive to their people, premises.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:19 AM  

That's called binary thinking, Lefleur.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:21 AM  

And NatSoc aren't nationalists. They're imperialists or hegemons.

Blogger JACIII September 10, 2017 9:21 AM  

"Linguistic despot" ......

TFW it turns out your aren't just a nazi larper. You're a lousy nazi larper.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:22 AM  

National != Nationalist.

Blogger Matthew September 10, 2017 9:22 AM  

Lemur wrote:"There is no left or right, only nationalists and globalists" - Marine Le Pen

Vox doesn't get this, and over the past few weeks he has tried to impose his blinkered vision on the dissident right. He's crossed a line, and that's why he's encountering pushback.


You're trying to force fit reality into the story you've made up in your head. It's not going to work. Take a step back, see if there isn't some way to deëscalate.

Blogger James Dixon September 10, 2017 9:25 AM  

> I mean, there is not a single non-lawyer, on either side of the issue, who had a clear grasp of the actual legal situation at hand.

That, I can readily believe. Which is why any legal analysis I give here is always preceded by the IANAL disclaimer.

> He explicitly stated the leftist dogma the individual is the basic unit of society.

OK, why don't you kill all the individuals and see what kind of society you have left? Oh, wait, that IS your actual goal, isn't it?

> I think think Gab's position on "PII with subpoena only" is a good one...

There are two reasonable positions to take. "PII with subpoena only" and "PII provided at the request of authorities". Either should work, if it's the official policy, documented, and followed. Most sites seem to follow the latter. That's not the same as the policy for removing posts and banning users, which may be entirely different.

As I told Andrew in a response to him, in the interest of transparency I'd recommend that all post removals be documented somewhere on the site along with the reason for same. Obviously the removed text wouldn't be available, only the time stamp, username, and reason for removal. PII requests could be handled the same way, with the username, the date of the request, and the relevant legal reason for complying (not that in some cases the court may demand that such information not be supplied, in which case the date and "information not available by court order" would be sufficient.

> Nothing shows the failure of the U.S. school system greater than a whole generation of people actually believing that Nazis are right-wing.

That would depend on their actual goals, now wouldn't it? I'd argue that it shows their relative success.

> I'm sure he's extremely relieved by that. I'll go tell him.

As a probable Gab investor, he almost certainly is. You really don't understand how this works, do you? The amount of money raised by Gab from the readers of this blog probably dwarfs any other.

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 9:29 AM  

Lemur, it doesn't have to boil down to infatalization or sexual subjugation. You can just back off, calm down, and de-escalate.

That's what men do. Nobody here wants to force you into submission.

Anonymous CrystalBlue September 10, 2017 9:30 AM  

Lemur @58: "Well let's think about this..."

Thinking isn't your strong point.

"Vox melts down..."

Only in your self-projection. Vox doesn't melt. He's a calm, collected, rational, killing machine.

Vox and I don't agree about a lot of things. We've gone at each other quite a few times. Face to face, (intellectual) knives drawn. No quarter. He's even called me names. Said things about me that aren't remotely true. But he's said them to my face and done his best to state his case why. I happen to respect that.

But call a man a pedophile behind his back? I'd help fund his Kickstarter to dig those weseals out. They aren't remotely part of "the team".

Go away, you sad little maggot.

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 9:32 AM  

Vox in sox
in the libertarian box
where the oxygen stops

That's the vector of the reality compression going on.

Vox has some things right, but he has no clue on what we can do to boost the MAGA agenda. Anglin has his faults, but yesterday's debate showed he was far more seized of the present epoch than Vox, who is increasingly slipping into Gen X National Review mood.

And, on top of all that, he's now attacking the inchoate future infrastructure of the right. He'll burn down the world to get his slice of flesh, or so he told Anglin. That is both retarded, narrow, and corrupted thinking. But very libertarian.

Blogger Nate September 10, 2017 9:33 AM  

" He's crossed a line, and that's why he's encountering pushback. "

No he didn't. He pointed out that you're fake right. Which is something we have been saying all along. He was far more kind and generous to you morons than we have been.

You see what that generosity got him.

You fake right. You're left. You're going on the helicopters with the others.

Blogger Elocutioner September 10, 2017 9:34 AM  

Has anyone seriously pushed back against Alt-Retard before? I don't mean just ignored, dismissed, put on a list, or driven them from a website, I mean struck at the root and deconstructed them like Vox has? He's exposed their ideology (as it is), their tactics, and their leader. The dialectic part is shaping up nicely. The fun is just beginning.

Blogger SirGroggy September 10, 2017 9:37 AM  

My favourite bits:

So I pushed aside his ingrained bigotry and instead let it wash over me, filling me with a desire to prove him wrong

You were getting filled with something, dear, but it wasn't ingrained bigotry.

Plus, in an odd way, sleeping with Trump supporters reaffirms my own political and personal values.

Yes, sleeping around with various guys does affirm that you are a left wing slut who devalues your own chastity. Affirmative.

I can’t be with someone who won’t understand why the news sometimes causes me to burst into tears

We understand, it's because the God Emperor is just too glorious for a pathetic Godless female.

Is this a sustainable pattern? Probably not. For one, it occasionally brings me added stress and it isn’t really the kind of relationship I want in the long run. But for right now I can highly recommend hooking up with someone whose politics you hate.

What a dirty slut. :)

Anonymous veryfunnyminion September 10, 2017 9:38 AM  

A present for the SDL for the Powerpoint version of the debate with the Reichsters:

[img]https://kek.gg/i/6chNw6.jpg[/img]

Blogger Lemur September 10, 2017 9:40 AM  

lel I'm sure in your mind it was akin to meeting with actual pistols at dawn. Except on a blog and no one dies. And spare me the psychobabble.

My impression of Vox is someone who uses rationality and mental acuity as a substitute for some underlying problem.

That's why he can't let things go, even when doing so is for the greater good.

Blogger SirGroggy September 10, 2017 9:41 AM  

By the way, The Young Turks are just declaring open war against White Christians:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhoIeAnUTZA&t=10s

They are referring to supposed information stating that White Christians have just become a minority in the US.

I hope Vox would comment on this, perhaps in a Periscope.

It's a relevant topic to move onto after this stuff with the Andrews is hopefully wrapped up satisfactorily.

Anonymous badhairday September 10, 2017 9:42 AM  

The longer that this rumbles on the more times we'll have to be exposed to the 'Vox declared that it was a legitimate rhetorical device to call someone a paedophile and then declared his moral outrage when it happened to him' stuff.

You can try to justify this with all sorts of rationalisations. (THEY'RE the REAL paedophiles; I'm doing this because it hurt my wife's feelings; Any true son of Rome; women find this stuff sexy; its a special tactic; its part of a greater strategy; its a small price to pay for getting rid of the Nazis; I don't care what people think of me but here's a set of metrics to prove that people still think that I'm important; etc)

but...

He chose the weapon that's now being used against him and I can't blame anyone for turning away when he complains about how deeply he got cut.

Live by the sword die by the sword.
Go now and sin no more.
Pick up other peoples litter when you can.
Don't reopen old wounds.
This too will pass.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion September 10, 2017 9:45 AM  

well I fucked that up good

[img]https://kek.gg/i/6chNw6.jpg [/img]

Anonymous veryfunnyminion September 10, 2017 9:46 AM  

Well, I guess we all know which side of the IQ curve I fall on. What is the proper way to insert an image in the comment section here?

Blogger SirGroggy September 10, 2017 9:48 AM  

This thing about people trying to take sides is stupid.
Just because you follow Vox doesn't mean you now have to hate Gab.

Seeing that Young Turks video where they declare war on White Christians (video titled Hey White Christans, Your Time Is Almost Up!!!) reminded me not to get too distracted with this Gab / Vox stuff which is mostly gossip which doesn't concern us - it's stuff that they will sort out between them.

Blogger Michael Maier September 10, 2017 9:50 AM  

SirGroggy
They are referring to supposed information stating that White Christians have just become a minority in the US.


Well, there are a few simple solutions to THAT...

Blogger James Dixon September 10, 2017 9:50 AM  

> My impression of Vox is someone who uses rationality and mental acuity as a substitute for some underlying problem.

Vox's only "underlying problem" is that he's short (well, that and his spacial relationships issues). These are minor compared to yours.

Anonymous dog bytes September 10, 2017 9:51 AM  

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oXENAXbq_R4&t=34m48s

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:51 AM  

Funny when TYT realize that Christians' time "being up" actually means that their time as barbaric parasites is up.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine September 10, 2017 9:53 AM  

@86. Lefleur, "My impression of Vox is someone who uses rationality and mental acuity as a substitute for some underlying problem."

You're projecting that because you're mentally incapable of using rationality and possess no mental acuity. Anyone who possesses those attributes is, to you, "compensating for something."

No, you're just a moron. Not even a nice try.

Blogger SirGroggy September 10, 2017 9:54 AM  

@96 Laughed my tits off

Blogger Ransom Smith September 10, 2017 9:59 AM  

@verfunnyminion
Accurate.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 10:04 AM  

@78 James Dixon

I had planned to, but in a hilarious turn it sold out before it did. This was a "crowd sourced Stock Sale", so I was more keen on information before investing. My suspicions & predictions were correct, but I also didn't expect the post-Google move to pretty much buy it all out. I wasn't the only one watching from a "whale" perspective.

My analysis of the situation is that Gab is a better large investment. Throwing $500USD at it is pretty much just a donation. (Though, if I'd had the liquid 450000USD, I'd probably have jumped in right at the start. More than that and it's close enough to require SEC filing, though since I wasn't thinking that way, I haven't checked the exact particulars because of the "new" nature of this approach.)

I view the most likely outcome as between a 20-30% YoY return at the 5-7 year range, but I don't expect a listed sale option at any reasonable point in the future. So it makes it a very illiquid purchase. Gab is going to have almost zero reason to ever to list on an exchange.

For me, personally, the most valuable aspect was being able to watch the crowd-sourcing in real-time. The only hitch is that it helps when one of your biggest competitors pretty much decides its a good time to blow up their public image while you're raising funds.

My main contribution is about 9 months of cheerleading for Microtransactions. It's hard to find information in English sources, but Afreeca Balloons is the topic. People will pay for content they like, but you have to provide an "easy" means to do it. People should be able to "tip" 5c or 10c for an awesome meme. It sounds stupid at first glance, but it'll completely change Information Exchange in the West. "Gab as Payment Processor" could increase the valuation into the Billions.

However, it's not an IPO pump & dump. It's more like a cheaper version of Visa. Steady, stable income producing company that's never going to set the world on fire as a stock. And, given the realities of Social Media control, public purchase of Stock is best avoided.

Thus, good growth potential; highly illiquid. Wasn't in a place to dump a large chunk of money into it, and it hit Full Sale while I was dithering about a smaller investment. I believe I have a gab up that goes "well, damn" when I woke up and ~400k USD had come in over 24h.

@83 Elocutioner

No, but mostly because they probably didn't want to put up with the stormpoopers.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 10, 2017 10:05 AM  

You can't build a political movement off of guys that are trying to "normalize" Nazism because it's not normal and never can be.

These guys aren't Gamma males. Gammas are smart.

This is purest Omega.

Blogger James Dixon September 10, 2017 10:11 AM  

> Thus, good growth potential; highly illiquid.

Oh, definitely. We threw just over $200 of our investment money at it, just to get the investor badge as a vanity thing. We can afford to lose that much, barely.

Blogger VD September 10, 2017 10:12 AM  

He chose the weapon that's now being used against him and I can't blame anyone for turning away when he complains about how deeply he got cut.

This is not accurate, as it happens. The advice as actually expressed applies to a conversation between two people. Neither libel nor slander is applicable there. Libel because it is neither written nor published, and slander because there is no assumed third party audience.

Now, you could certainly extrapolate from that advice to other applications, but once you have to extrapolate, you can't blame me for advice I did not offer.

So, the entire argument is irrelevant to the one specific form of defamation being protested and is also irrelevant to all the other forms.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 10:12 AM  

@79 badhairday

I know your people are idiots, but you could at least try harder. Constantly repeating completely pointless understandings don't make them true. Vox's statements on tactics is utterly irrelevant to the Legal Matters at hand.

But it has been a good lesson, with our study on Defamation, that using pedophile is a generally bad idea. Alt-Left works surprisingly better. Have fun answering the court dates!

Blogger James Dixon September 10, 2017 10:14 AM  

> My main contribution is about 9 months of cheerleading for Microtransactions.

That's what Brave is trying to enable too. No idea if anyone has a successful model developed yet or not. People have been trying for quite a while.

Blogger Cataline Sergius September 10, 2017 10:15 AM  

@90 Looking Glass

So the number for Gab are solid?

Okay, I'll take your word for it.

Honestly, given Torba's "all in" talk and mercurial behavior I had assumed that Gab was in serious trouble.

Torba is a romantic entrepreneur. The business isn't a rush to him, it's his baby and he almost certainly had his personal assets tied up in it.

If he's doing well, excellent glad to hear it.

Anonymous J.R. Cumby September 10, 2017 10:18 AM  

First: It's the Long term trends that count, and it's sad that your goal is Blue-Pill Supplement-Salesperson Cernovich level "influence." (Also you seem oblivious to the notion of "opportunity costs.") Second: Formerly you would share your comic misreadings of Lind's 4G Warfare Handbook in your incoherent twitter periscope rants. Do you remember? And you spoke of Lind's "de-escalation" model. So why are you frantically, almost reflexively, *escalating* now? Why do you believe it in your interests to drive people who never even heard of you into common cause with a handfull of NAZI larpers? Did you ever actually *read* Lind? Does anyone *ever* root for Goliath, Vox? You are *creating* your own opposition on hundreds of gab chats and twitter DMs where Vox memes now fall from the sky like autumn leaves. Was that *truly* your intention? Please DEescalate and allow all of this to pass away instead of breathing new life into it with ever new threat and provocation you issue.

Blogger OGRE September 10, 2017 10:18 AM  

Re The Young Turks

They cite 43% of the total US population as "white" and "christian." For reference, 73% of the total population is "white." In other words, 60% of the "white" population is Christian.


For further reference, 70% of the total population is Christian. 1.9% is Jewish, 0.9% is Muslim. Also, 4.0% are agnostic and 3.1% are atheist. Another 15.8% claim no religious affiliation of any kind.

In essence what has happened is that the 'latino' race (its not a race really, and all latinos are to some degree mostly or entirely cuacasoid) has increased its share of the US population causing a decline the 'white' share. But latinos are predominately christian as well, so while the "white christians" have fallen as a share of the population, the amount of total christians has remained the same.

So the Young Turks are getting all giddy about nothing at all really. There aren't less Christians as a percentage of the US population, its just that now more than before a larger share of them are latino than other white ethnicities.

Blogger seeingsights September 10, 2017 10:25 AM  

'VD: "I mean, there is not a single non-lawyer, on either side of the issue, who had a clear grasp of the actual legal situation at hand ..."

Yes. And I would go further. Lawyers specialize. For example, a lawyer might be more expert at criminal defense than in patent/copyright law, and vice versa. So in a defamation case, I would hire an attorney specializing in that area of law.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 10:25 AM  

@92 James Dixon

Oddly, I'd have felt more confident in the last week if I had dropped large $$$ on the situation, as it means I'd have a phone number to call and tell Torba to go take a shower & get some sleep. (He did good on Tucker & Crowder shows.)

I'm quite high on Gab as a decentralized platform, but we've find a bug in the TOS "code" that needs to be fixed. Of course, this probably happened during the busiest week of Torba's life. Part of why I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

The "Goat" hasn't ruined the platform, so I'm sure they'll get the Stormpoopers under control.

Anonymous Ashes September 10, 2017 10:28 AM  

Andrew's comments have been very characteristic of an enraged gamma.

Just imagine: his first TV interview and he's got stuff. He's received all the praise he felt entitled to all his life, and now he doesn't need friends

Blogger Student in Blue September 10, 2017 10:29 AM  

You know, I'd be more likely to believe all of your claims of our fading irrelevancy and obsolescence if you just went away and stopped posting. You aren't going out and fighting the flat-earthers, right? Because they're irrelevant.

But you can't simply go away, can you? There's this niggling doubt in the back of your mind that maybe, just maybe... we're right about what we say.

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 10:30 AM  

@99, and again the emotional cycle; attention, rejection, revulsion. Note the importance of your seniority, and the importance of replacing you in the hierarchy. Their focus on recruiting the young and emotionally vulnerable is to outsiders "creepy", but as I noted earlier, not directly sexual.

Anonymous BBGKB September 10, 2017 10:34 AM  

(video titled Hey White Christans, Your Time Is Almost Up!!!)

Do they think that if they take over things will be any better than brown nations without oil money to hire smart foreigners?

Everyone on the internet? Shut it down then. Everyone on the internet is mad at Vox and co.

Oy Vey fake news just said TRUMP realized how much people hate him, maybe he will treat the controlled media like the enemy now.

I can’t be with someone who won’t understand why the news sometimes causes me to burst into tears

No more unwashed wetback dick for when she can't get a decent white guy.

Blogger seeingsights September 10, 2017 10:34 AM  

I'm not on Gab. From reading the discussions here these are the facts as I can tell, and I welcome critical feedback.

1. Vox Day had a debate with a neo-Nazi/white supremacist.
2. Some neo-Nazis/white supremacists on Gab called Vox Day a pedophile.
3. Vox Day is pursuing legal action against those who called him a pedophile.

Blogger SirGroggy September 10, 2017 10:34 AM  

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Blogger VD September 10, 2017 10:37 AM  

It's the Long term trends that count, and it's sad that your goal is Blue-Pill Supplement-Salesperson Cernovich level "influence."

I don't care about your tears.

(Also you seem oblivious to the notion of "opportunity costs.")

By not throwing in with the Fake Right? I'm happy to forgo that opportunity.

You are *creating* your own opposition on hundreds of gab chats and twitter DMs where Vox memes now fall from the sky like autumn leaves.

Fake Right Nazi Clown opposition is not a negative. Particularly for me.

Please DEescalate and allow all of this to pass away instead of breathing new life into it with ever new threat and provocation you issue.

I have not escalated. I am doing nothing more than I warned I would do at the very start, and what Andrew Torba said was the correct way to go about dealing with the situation.

Andrew Torba can end this whenever he wishes by removing all of the defamatory statements about EVERYONE, not just me, from Gab, and warning his users that defamation is not free speech. Until that happens, the process proceeds and the petition will be published soon.

Blogger Elocutioner September 10, 2017 10:37 AM  

I think I recognize some of the same tactics I used when I was an MMO guild leader and we destroyed other powerful guilds and repeatedly took over servers. We caused quite a few rage quits, quite a few converts, and quite a few to jump to other servers to get away from us. This blog reminds me very much of my guilds. In the end all about people management and a focus on the mission. Good times.

It would be a real shame for Anglin's if all his parasites suddenly decided not to poke their heads up in public. You really should be careful who you cross.

Anonymous Sheiko29 September 10, 2017 10:39 AM  

@99 is exactly right. After the bar exam 99% of lawyers won't touch defamation. From what I hear most potential plaintiffs aren't willing to go through the discovery process. Truth being a defense and all.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 10:40 AM  

@96 Cataline Sergius

In the Western World, it looks like Gab might be the 3rd most Profitable Social Media platform after Facebook & MySpace. Not a joke, I can't find any others that have turned a Net Profit. Even MySpace's is questionable given the price that Newscorp paid for it.

And that was after about 9 months. They've been Cash Flow Positive since the 2nd month after the Subscriptions was added. But getting 100k subs isn't the point. Getting a 1,000,000 doing Patreon or YouTube or Twitch like subscriptions is. It's part of why I was cheerleading for microtransactions. Yeah, Subs are great for a platform that offers a better place than Twitter (it has a lot less yelling), but that's not where the real opening in the market exists.

However, as I said a few times over there, the important part was that Torba & E were willing to make Millions rather than shooting for Billions. Too many get focused on wanting to be a new Oligarch that they over-shoot what their business can do. But, once Torba started openly talking about where they're going, I did correct myself to say that they can make Billions.

Also, the prospectus had a hilarious $57USD listed for advertising & marketing. Clearly, they expensed dinner one night. That was just funny.

Gab will produce stable revenue until is produces a massive & consistent revenue. The ICO also might get around some thorny legal issues in the Payment Processing department. There's a real market for a much better "online wallet" system, but the process fees are high & the legal hurdles are higher. When done in a normal currency. Via a cryptocurrency? All of it's offloaded to the end-user rather than the company. Big difference.

Blogger Elocutioner September 10, 2017 10:42 AM  

Heh "Anglin's" was a typo but I'll refer to him as Anglins now.

Anonymous Jack September 10, 2017 10:42 AM  

Over at Gab, I see that Utsav is still going on about this, reposting an altard's snarky comment about Vox. What, does he think they won't call him street-shitter as long as he kisses up to them?

I kind of like Altard as a variation of AltRetard because it reminds me of Altoid mints. "Altards. Curiously Stupid Minds."

https://infogalactic.com/info/File:Altoid_and_tin.JPG

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 10:42 AM  

@105, The allegations of pedophilia, grooming, and making and distributing childporn, started before the debate.

It's also very specifically the Nazis that are upset.

Vox is pursuing legal redress, apparently under advice that the statements constitute libel, defamation, or some other actionable breach;possibly more than one.

Blogger Cail Corishev September 10, 2017 10:43 AM  

He chose the weapon that's now being used against him and I can't blame anyone for turning away when he complains about how deeply he got cut.

I can. It's a dishonest mischaracterization of what he was advising. I can always blame liars for lying.

His enemies at least have the excuse that they're trying to beat him. The supposed ally who says, "Gosh, I love you, but I can't stand by you anymore because your enemies pointed out that you said something I already knew you said," is worse. Not that I believe such people exist for real; it's just concern trolling.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 10, 2017 10:49 AM  

Lol at their Vox memes.
The anti Vox memes are leftist levels of bad. But then again, Reichtards are leftists at heart.

Blogger wreckage September 10, 2017 10:49 AM  

@114 and now they're concern-troll-begging for mercy. Already!

Blogger James Dixon September 10, 2017 10:49 AM  

> Andrew's comments have been very characteristic of an enraged gamma.

Actually, Andrew is almost certainly a beta thrust into a leadership role by necessity. With all the inexperience and resulting overreaction that can cause.

Anonymous Steve September 10, 2017 10:50 AM  

When we texted, we'd naturally argue about politics, ...When we met up in person, that pent-up anger would turn into frustration, which would turn into a sort of competitive tension that resulted, inevitably, in sex.

His LOCK HER UP game was tight, brah.

Blogger SirGroggy September 10, 2017 10:51 AM  

For those who are actually upset about this Vox / Gab thing - can I just state for the record: that is GAY.

It's nothing to get upset about. If it upsets you then just ignore it - it doesn't affect you at all!
This is life - it's not a soap opera.

Blogger OGRE September 10, 2017 10:51 AM  

@109 While its true that the vast majority of lawyers will never have any involvement in a defamation case, its because defamation cases make up a very small share of all the other legal work out there. But its not an overly complicated area of law, and most lawyers involved in any personal injury practice--as either plaintiff or defense counsel--would be familiar enough with the general nature of such suits (procedure, discovery, trials, torts, damages, etc.) and would only need to educate themselves on the specifics.

Blogger SirGroggy September 10, 2017 10:52 AM  

The anti Vox memes are leftist levels of bad. But then again, Reichtards are leftists at heart.

Swastika Justice Warriors

Blogger tz September 10, 2017 10:57 AM  

Who needs clubs and bags of acid when you have lawyers? Injure and destroy. And who is the target, some troll, or Gab, or the ability to Speak Freely itself?

So this is how it ends. Smashing heads and things with a legal instead of physical club. And it is about money, not law or justice. The elite always get away with everything. The poor, even if innocent, loses if only paying for an adequate defense. The SPLC does the same thing. The alt-right will exhaust itself with internecine court battles. And each will call the others fake right.

"They make a desert and call it peace".

There is every legal difference between a legal and physical big stick. But not a moral difference. And this is 4GW. I see how you win on the physical level, but I don't see how you win on the moral level. Unlike the SFWA, this is petty and appears spiteful. Gab is an ally but you would not merely punch it but burn it to the ground to get to a troll. You are going to carpet bomb a small village.

I expect you have a good chance of winning since you can afford to do a Bleak House, and we all will be the poorer for it.

Victory requires destroying Gab, imposing the maze of arbitrary definitions of defamation and a Kafkaesque thought police. Two weeks ago if you read an article on the Byzantine definitions of defamation, you'd have said they are stupid and evil. Like the Tax code. Now that you can weaponize them they are cool. SJW swarms bad, Lawyer swarms good?


Blogger Galactophage September 10, 2017 10:58 AM  

Hey, I didn't realize there was a "legal" legion of evil Please let me know how I can help.

Blogger VD September 10, 2017 10:58 AM  

only need to educate themselves on the specifics.

Precisely. And the specifics vary greatly from one jurisdiction to another. I was genuinely shocked to discover several specifics in the relevant jurisdiction.

Believe me, no one is expecting this. No one. I certainly wasn't. And if you think the Alt-Retard crying is out of control now, just wait until the petition is public.

Blogger VD September 10, 2017 10:59 AM  

Hey, I didn't realize there was a "legal" legion of evil Please let me know how I can help.

If you're a lawyer licensed to practice or a paralegal willing to dig for fun, shoot me an email.

Blogger Unknown September 10, 2017 10:59 AM  

The Alt-Reich seems to use exactly the same tactics as the SJW with just few small changes here and there.

Maybe the next book will talk about them. Well they are all socialists and wishing to kill who does not conform so there is plenty in common on their core actions.

Blogger ZhukovG September 10, 2017 11:01 AM  

@tz: This is not an internecine fight. It is clear the swastika panty brigade are a wholly owned subsidiary of the Globalist Left, or at least its dupes.

Blogger Chiva September 10, 2017 11:01 AM  

@110 Looking Glass
I hope your prediction does come true. I don't have any money invested in Gab, but I do want them to be successful.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 10, 2017 11:02 AM  

Swastika Justice Warriors
{Scott Addams voice } linguistic kill shot.

If I could draw I'd make that doodle.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 11:04 AM  

@125 VD

If there's some weird "can't defame Native Americans" aspect, I'm going to laugh until I bruise my ribs. Again.

Has anyone mentioned this has been an awesome timeline?


@126 Unknown

They're SJWs by inclination & NeoCons by political alignment. They're pretty much SJWs doing the NeoCon shtick of invading the Right because the current Left doesn't want to invade random 3rd world countries.

Side point: I feel like selling Poland weapons is a growth industry.

Blogger tuberman September 10, 2017 11:06 AM  

Elocutioner wrote:I think I recognize some of the same tactics I used when I was an MMO guild leader and we destroyed other powerful guilds and repeatedly took over servers. We caused quite a few rage quits, quite a few converts, and quite a few to jump to other servers to get away from us. This blog reminds me very much of my guilds. In the end all about people management and a focus on the mission. Good times.

It would be a real shame for Anglin's if all his parasites suddenly decided not to poke their heads up in public. You really should be careful who you cross.


Just basic Maneuver Warfare.

Blogger OGRE September 10, 2017 11:10 AM  

@124 The defamatory statements made against you would constitute defamation per se in almost every US jurisdiction, as they contain allegations of fact claiming you committed criminal acts and/or engaged in extreme sexual misconduct. As such, actual damages are an element that would not need to be proven.

The chosen jurisdiction does indeed have some major procedural advantages over almost anywhere else in the world. (And one potential drawback.) And its a happy coincidence that Gabs principal place of business is there as well.

Blogger kevmalone September 10, 2017 11:11 AM  

"Five Infogalactic Burn Unit members canceled their subscriptions"

Pikers

Well I just redressed that balance by 1.

(Long time reader,infrequent poster)

(And, yes, I like jazz records)

Blogger tuberman September 10, 2017 11:12 AM  

It's well known that a crisis like this can cause real fast growth, or total failure. It is being on the edge...of chaos. AT, grow up!

Blogger Elocutioner September 10, 2017 11:17 AM  

@Tuberman Maneuver warfare covers it in general but the tactics are specifically in the virtual realm and targeted at an online community. (Swastiki marches are few and far between.) Does anybody know of a handbook for virtual maneuver warfare, possibly from Gamergate?

Anonymous BURRITO SUPREME DORK LARD September 10, 2017 11:18 AM  

Vox is, by his own definition, a textbook gamma male. He said he would rather burn Gab to the ground than suffer an unredressed insult against his person. He typifies the archetype of the secret king, who expects others to recognize his greatness and then rages when they don't. When Torba refused to grant him special privileges Vox lashed out in typical gamma fashion. It's certainly ironic that Vox's popularization of the gamma label came just in time for everyone to recognize that it applies to no one more perfectly than Vox himself.Just think, all of that time Vox spent ranting and raving about gamma males was nothing more than projected self-loathing. I wonder if this means the Ilk will stop using gamma as their go-to insult? How can you insult someone for being like your own Dark Lord (lol). Anyway, keep up the good work, Vox. Your one-man trainwreck continues to amuse.

Blogger tuberman September 10, 2017 11:19 AM  

VD, I purchased two Castalia House books this last week, so apparently part of a rush to buy.

Blogger BlowMe September 10, 2017 11:21 AM  

As others have pointed out here, one thing this whole episode has shown decisively is that Nazis can't meme for shit.

Also, they are as easily triggered as the SJW pussies they claim to oppose. It's fun to watch certain posters on Gab rip them for worshipping "the part-Kike Hitler" and for figuratively sucking the cock of a guy who they claim has a history of banging ugly Asians chicks.

My kinda weekend.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion September 10, 2017 11:29 AM  

Whenever I've gone on gab the last couple of days, it's awash in pictures of Notsees and related crap (a video on Wotanism, srsly?).

I really don't see how this is a positive for gab, either for the majority of current users or in terms of attracting new ones.

It's funny how they'll blame the media and gripe that Charlottesville was horribly presented in the media as their was just one guy with the Nazi flag, who may have been a plant, yet they stink up Gab with swastika gifs by the dozen.

Anonymous veryfunnyminion September 10, 2017 11:30 AM  

Basically, if you change "Whitey" for "Joos" the Stormpoopers are the ebonics-lite version of BLM.

Blogger tuberman September 10, 2017 11:35 AM  

Elocutioner wrote:@Tuberman Maneuver warfare covers it in general but the tactics are specifically in the virtual realm and targeted at an online community. (Swastiki marches are few and far between.) Does anybody know of a handbook for virtual maneuver warfare, possibly from Gamergate?

I believe there are about 3 books on GG on Amazon, but none, of course, are by VD. May be better to go back on this blog to that time period and read what was going on then, would take some work.

Since you have had experience, write down your own thoughts on the specifics while going over related stuff you can find.

Blogger VD September 10, 2017 11:37 AM  

Vox is, by his own definition, a textbook gamma male.

No. You need to re-read the definition.

When Torba refused to grant him special privileges Vox lashed out in typical gamma fashion.

That's incorrect. I erroneously expected Torba to be willing to remove ALL defamation, since defamation is not, and has never been, free speech. Gab is presently pro-defamation and is actively defending the right of its users to defame others, including other Gab users.

I very much doubt this is a winning business strategy.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer September 10, 2017 11:40 AM  

It's unfortunate that Torba is allowing alt-retard to use him as a shield. For those who think this is bad for Gab or Vox is going to burn them to the ground, take a look at this from the standpoint of learning something. Vox and his lawyers are small potatoes when compared to the SPLC or any other leftist group that decides to the do the same. Further, I am sure Vox will be much more ameneble when it comes to a settlement negotiation than one of those organizations. Torba has a big problem and Vox is fixing it for him in the kindest way possible. By his own behavior and statements, it's clear that Torba never thought that anyone would actually pursue the legal action that he lays out in his own TOS. He should be glad it's being tested by a friendly foe as opposed to someone who is actually seeking to destroy him.

Blogger tuberman September 10, 2017 11:40 AM  

Oh yeah, I forgot, there is a book called, "Certain To Win," which is Maneuver Warfare for business, still not completely specific to your needs, but closer.

Blogger tuberman September 10, 2017 11:44 AM  

basementhomebrewer wrote:It's unfortunate that Torba is allowing alt-retard to use him as a shield. For those who think this is bad for Gab or Vox is going to burn them to the ground, take a look at this from the standpoint of learning something. Vox and his lawyers are small potatoes when compared to the SPLC or any other leftist group that decides to the do the same. Further, I am sure Vox will be much more ameneble when it comes to a settlement negotiation than one of those organizations. Torba has a big problem and Vox is fixing it for him in the kindest way possible. By his own behavior and statements, it's clear that Torba never thought that anyone would actually pursue the legal action that he lays out in his own TOS. He should be glad it's being tested by a friendly foe as opposed to someone who is actually seeking to destroy him.


Yep, most of us knew that from the beginning, just a lot of shills, trolls, and other ankle-biters around.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 11:44 AM  

All online realms/warfare is platform dependent. What worked on IRC isn't the same as what would work in WoW or another game. The platform dictates where Strength & Weaknesses exist. This is true in the real world, as well, but there's so much commonality of "battlespace" that most things cross-apply. That isn't true online.

Anonymous lurker September 10, 2017 11:54 AM  

"When Torba refused to grant him special privileges Vox lashed out in typical gamma fashion."

They project like leftards do as well. There isn't a lick of difference between them. It's like democraps and repukes.

Since that's the case it's just as well Vox goes after them now. Gab is SJW converged and can't be trusted, also since Swastika Justice Warriors are really just Globalist tools they wouldn't hold to free speech anyway.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 11:54 AM  

@143 basementhomebrewer

They were more focused on Political Speech, Copyright & Criminal. User vs Government, pretty much.

This is User vs unprotected, defamatory speech. Some of it isn't so easy to sort out and, frankly, until the Stormpoopers showed up, it hadn't really been an issue. There's actually only a specific class of accusations that are covered.

This is really only a Report Feature & TOS Upgrade to remove Defamatory Content. A "bug" in the TOS. Gab will be okay, as they won't burn down the platform over this, as this isn't Political Speech or Free Speech issue.

Now, the Stormpoopers have got no clue what's coming, haha. The SJW Crusher won't have too much problem with the Swastika Justice Warriors.

Anonymous kHz September 10, 2017 11:55 AM  

Of course this exists.

I'd suggest it for the #DailyMemeWars, yet it's perfect just as it is.

http://www.proswastika.org/news.php?extend.376.4

Anonymous Man of the Atom September 10, 2017 11:58 AM  

veryfunnyminion wrote:Well, I guess we all know which side of the IQ curve I fall on. What is the proper way to insert an image in the comment section here?

Use HTML/XML markup language and post it as a link -- basically, use the anchor "<a>" tags. Link to w3.org

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Blogger Elocutioner September 10, 2017 12:02 PM  

@Tuberman
Thanks. It looks like the GG ones are focused on history but there are a few MMO guild leadership books that look interesting. I'll evaluate writing the stuff down, it might be useful for others.

@Looking Glass
Yes. In my first main MMO I heavily used spies to exploit a feature that I never saw anyone else discuss and it gave us a huge advantage. Many of those tactics I developed were worthless in WOW. Overall, guild discipline and developing human intel sources was key. Running guilds was exhausting but very educational.

Blogger Ransom Smith September 10, 2017 12:05 PM  

@Gilbert
Gab will destroy itself if anything. Failure to deal with an overrun of trolls and no plan in place for defamation will be their own killing blow.

Blogger S1AL September 10, 2017 12:09 PM  

Dear Gilbert the concern troll -

I see you are very concerned.

We. Don't. Care.

Sincerely,
Everyone Else

Anonymous Anonymous September 10, 2017 12:10 PM  

Brad Griffin, Greg Johnson and Matt Parrot differ from Vox on two very important points.

1. Griffin, Johnson and Parrot realize that classical liberalism, aka libertarianism, is every bit as much a leftist movement as socialism is, and every bit as foreign to pre-leftist Anglo-Saxon traditions. Every major policy advocated by classical liberalism is destructive. Everyone agrees that some aspects of classical liberalism, such as atheism, sexual libertinism, race denying blank slate dogma, open borders and free trade, are destructive. The remainder of the classical liberal platform, economic dogmatism, including deflationary currency, regressive taxes, and financial deregulation, is also destructive. Griffin, Johnson and Parrot understand this. Does Vox?

2. Griffin, Johnson and Parrot realize that Jewish supremacism is a far greater threat than any iteration of leftism. A sincere socialist like Babeuf is less dangerous than a Jewish supremacist such as Trotsky masquerading as a socialist. A sincere libertarian is less dangerous than a Jewish supremacist such as Ayn Rand masquerading as a libertarian. The greatest sin of the left was Jewish emancipation, which led to our current situation - Jewish supremacists the dominant force within European Christian civilization.

As for number of followers, intelligence, financial success etc., what does these things matter, if one ceases resisting the globalist, cultural Marxist, Jewish supremacist establishment? In that case, one ceases being the big fish in the little pond of American patriotic resistance, and instead becomes the little fish in the big pond of the Jewish supremacist establishment.

Blogger beerme September 10, 2017 12:11 PM  

It isn't an accident that the shilling over the alt-reich being Fake Right has reached Pizzagate levels. Leftists always shill harder when wounded.

Blogger S1AL September 10, 2017 12:18 PM  

"aspects of classical liberalism, such as atheism, sexual libertinism, race denying blank slate dogma, open borders and free trade"

None of which are aspects of "classical liberalism", in any sense. Those are aspects of hippie liberalism. Hell, two of them were part of the Third Reich (I'll leave it to you to figure out which two).

Classical liberalism looks like this:

1) Family as foundation of society
2) Elimination of birth station (aka serfdom and nobility)
3) Common rights and responsibilities

But that's the British notion, not the French one.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 12:20 PM  

@152 Elocutioner

Are you talking about Eve Online? If you want a world of study, that's the place for it. Few games really have a competitive enough of a raiding scene to bother with too much approach in that manner, especially today. Mostly as most games are far less PvP than the old days.

There's two layers to running an MMO Guild, if raiding: The Raiding and the Social Aspect. They're highly different between them. And a bad loot systems destroys a guild.

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 10, 2017 12:23 PM  

Gab is presently pro-defamation and is actively defending the right of its users to defame others, including other Gab users.

Those of you complaining about what Vox is doing are not looking far enough ahead. What is likely to happen with Gab if Torba and crew fail to figure this out? Clue: the Dread Ilk have been telling you for months.

Think about the fact that Vox is a GAME DESIGNER, someone who literally anticipates problems and thinks multiple different moves ahead for a living. Most people don't even think two steps ahead in a single chain of logic. Your inability to understand what's going on doesn't mean there isn't a carefully considered plan and a goal that has zero to do with Vox's ego.

This applies even more to what Vox is doing by aggressively separating the Fake Right from the Alt-Right. You say it's petty, a side show, unnecessarily divisive. You likely won't be saying this during the next election cycle.

I reluctantly canceled my Gab Pro subscription, for two reasons. One, because of Gab's policy regarding defamation and harassment. Two, because of the extremely unprofessional behavior by Torba and Utsav since this flap with Vox began. I was enthusiastic about Gab, but I have doubts about its future if the people running it are this unprepared and emotionally volatile. Maybe they'll mature as a result of this. I hope so. If they get back on track in the next few weeks and take care of business, I'll resubscribe.

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash September 10, 2017 12:24 PM  

@khz
That's amazingly perfect.

Anonymous Snidely Whiplash September 10, 2017 12:32 PM  

@155 Anonymous
1, Get a name. Read the rules if you're confused
2, that straw Vox shure is a stupid Libertarian. Too bad Real Vox has literally nothing whatsoever to do with your extended rant. I mean, nothing at all. You might as well have been talking about Vox about being feminist, or the dangers of Vox's illiteracy.

Anonymous kHz September 10, 2017 12:32 PM  

140. Basically, if you change "Whitey" for "Joos" the Stormpoopers are the ebonics-lite version of BLM.

There's already a meme for that:
https://gab.ai/shiv/posts/11723258

Blogger Cail Corishev September 10, 2017 12:38 PM  

If you're a guest at a party and one of the other guests comes over and starts accusing you loudly of raping someone, you're going to punch him in the face. If the host of the party comes over and gets in your way and says you can't punch him because his guests are his responsibility, then the host better do the punching, or evict the guy so you can take it outside. If the host refuses to do anything and refuses to let you do anything, then you might have to punch the host.

How that breaks down legally I don't know, but morally it's pretty straightforward.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 10, 2017 12:38 PM  

Would you guys post the full complaint here once it's been filed and served?

Anonymous Precious September 10, 2017 12:59 PM  

Vox, you have always impressed me over the years, but the fact that you now have eight lawyers in your legal team giving you unswerving loyalty has me dropping my jaw in awe.

First because I didn't think it was possible, second because most people are lucky to know one honest lawyer but your following is so large now you managed to pick up at least eight.

May the legal team of evil be praised for their courage and honesty. All hail Vox Day and Trump!

Blogger VD September 10, 2017 1:09 PM  

the fact that you now have eight lawyers in your legal team giving you unswerving loyalty has me dropping my jaw in awe.

I didn't say the LLoE has eight lawyers... I said it has eight more. The LLoE is not new.

Blogger VD September 10, 2017 1:09 PM  

Would you guys post the full complaint here once it's been filed and served?

We'll post a link to where it is published.

Blogger Elocutioner September 10, 2017 1:14 PM  

@Looking Glass
The MMO was browser-based game and is now dead. You build a city, set up wall defenses and send armies to loot/capture the city (the actual combat was deterministic). The game mechanics were easy, gaming people was the hard part. That's where I met some of the core group for later games.

My WOW guild had three or four raid groups at a time with different levels of progression plus some PVP groups (I usually led the two lesser groups). We did old content runs frequently. It was very busy. We were heavy on the social aspect so diplomacy, negotiation, recruiting, and delegation were required, plus playing the game at a high level. Good skills to develop. Similar for Clash of Clans - very high ranking clan, full membership, high skill needed, feeder clans, etc.

Game burnout was inevitable. Eve has always looked very interesting but also like a massive time investment. Maybe soon.

Blogger LP9 September 10, 2017 1:15 PM  

A few pple I knew who went in for over the GAB min. $201 didn't have their cards debited yet, they went to start engine and cancelled.

They asked me and I all stated was what happened with the Day's and the libelous claims, gave links to peri, posts, screenshots etc.

No, no one's brand or Chouse was harmed, this sort of matter brings the loyal to the top.

RE: legal help, I wish I could find an atty that operates in both WV and OH for what is talking place, if any, polverini999@gmail it RE: 2 small claim cases that I tried to avoid court for such.

Blogger Mastermind September 10, 2017 1:22 PM  

sjws always double down

Anonymous kHz September 10, 2017 1:25 PM  

swastika justice warriors always project.

Blogger James Dixon September 10, 2017 1:31 PM  

> I was enthusiastic about Gab, but I have doubts about its future if the people running it are this unprepared and emotionally volatile.

That my primary concern also. Torba seems to have finally calmed down. Utsav, not so much so.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable September 10, 2017 1:44 PM  

I have been enjoying the Jenkinsverse part of the Humanity, F*** Yeah! subreddit, and a recent non-canon story depicted the Hunters -- a hierarchical species that exclusively eats sapients -- as where Gammas are fancy and incompetent leaders.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 10, 2017 1:57 PM  

Torba's going to be fine and he's not going to be co-opted by "Nazis." He's an outspoken right-wing Christian with no desire for Gab to degenerate into merely a shitpoasting forum.

Blogger seeingsights September 10, 2017 2:04 PM  

4. Gab has not taken down the posts which Vox Day considers defamatory.

It seems that the founders of Gab subscribe to the Murray Rothbard/Walter Block view that, in a free society, libel and defamation would be allowed. Leaving aside the issue whether that would be a good policy (and I don't think it is) it is totally clueless for Gab to allow something which in present circumstances is against the law.

In the realm of political philosophy: libel, slander, defamation, should not be allowed for they are dishonest acts. Dishonest acts are a variant of fraud, and libertarianism has always been against fraud.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable September 10, 2017 2:21 PM  

Lemur wrote:But as we learned yesterday, Vox is not a 'right thinking' person. He explicitly stated the leftist dogma the individual is the basic unit of society. Wrong. The RELATIONSHIP between TWO people is the starting point of society.

Congratulations on being not entirely wrong! Both individualism and collectivism are of the left -- anarcho-tyranny -- while only subsidiarity is of the the right.

Of course, that leaves all socialisms as being of the left, including national socialism.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 10, 2017 2:22 PM  

@175 It seems that the founders of Gab subscribe to the Murray Rothbard/Walter Block view that, in a free society, libel and defamation would be allowed.

Torba has not said that libel and defamation should be allowed or that Gab is pro-defamation, he's said that Gab doesn't want to be the arbiter of what's defamatory. He wants the courts to play that role. If Gab receives a lawful subpoena, they'll respond. If they receive a lawful court order for material to be taken down, they will take it down. It sounds like a legally tenable position from what I've read, but I'm not a lawyer and I wouldn't be shocked to discover that I'm missing something.

Even if Gab is on firm legal footing, there are definitely concerns about the practicality of their approach. It's unrealistic to expect that most people will do what Vox is attempting every time they're defamed - so if being defamed is the price people must pay to engage in less restricted speech, will people pay it?

Blogger Apex_Predator September 10, 2017 2:30 PM  

"It seems that the founders of Gab subscribe to the Murray Rothbard/Walter Block view that, in a free society, libel and defamation would be allowed."

Or, work with me here. Occam's Razor. They simply realize that capitulating to a fantasy RPG LARPer and his hordes of neckbeard sperg jock riders is a one way ticket to irrelevancy?

You people are so fucking delusional and brainwashed it borders on the painful especially since there is some obvious mental horsepower running here, but cult of personality, and all that, innit?

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents September 10, 2017 2:44 PM  

@Noah B The Savage Gardener

Last night this place was full of alt-Retards. It was like a toddler-only daycare. Swastika panties and swastika diapers totally filled up with poop, dropping all over the place. Would have a great opportunity for you to convert them away from alt-Retard. You could even have sung KumBaYah with them, for sure that would have done the job.

Anonymous Rum Raisin September 10, 2017 2:49 PM  

Torba's going to be fine and he's not going to be co-opted by "Nazis." He's an outspoken right-wing Christian with no desire for Gab to degenerate into merely a shitpoasting forum.

Of course he doesn't. But it remains to be seen whether he can prevent Gab from degenerating in spite of that. Pride and wrath have brought down many a principled man.

Note how Anglin is playing the usual tactic of stroking Torba's ego - calling him hero, telling him he's smart - after unleashing a storm of abuse, in which he called Torba fat, a scammer, called Gab "shit software", and accused Torba of lying and committing fraud. This is SOP. If Torba fails to recognize the manipulation, that's not a good sign.

While we're at it, let us not forget the irony of Anglin threatening to destroy Gab after being asked to remove one meme, while his flying monkeys screech about Vox "trying to bring down Gab" because he's following Torba's instructions to go the legal route.

https://gab.ai/AndrewAnglin/posts/11613770

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 2:55 PM  

I see the poopers came back. You have to go back.


@177 Noah B The Savage Gardener

There's 3 categories to this that I think you're getting a little confused.

1) PII
2) Automatically Libel/Defamatory Speech
3) Libel/Defamation that would require a court finding

On points #1 & #3, Gab will be fine with its current policies. (#3 is things like "X slept with Y's wife!"; if X denies & the party that made the claims says it's true, then Gab is within its right to require a court finding.)

However, the contention is point #2. That's what the entire Stormpooper collective never got about "defamation per se". Under ~44 States + DC, there are statements that are automatically defamatory. Gab will simply need an expanded TOS to cover those in a bit more detail (as they already remove Libelous content) and an improved Report Feature.

This won't be that hard to solve, Torba & staff just need to cool off.

Blogger VD September 10, 2017 2:57 PM  

Torba has not said that libel and defamation should be allowed or that Gab is pro-defamation, he's said that Gab doesn't want to be the arbiter of what's defamatory. He wants the courts to play that role.

The courts HAVE played that role. There are already hundreds of legal decisions, and more than a few laws, articulating what is, and what is not, defamatory. That is why I suggested that Gab implement a Legal Review Board capable of applying what the courts have already decided is defamatory.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 2:57 PM  

@179 Rum Raisin

Someone in Anglin's camp is the one that filed the Formal Complaint with the Registrar. They wanted to get on Tucker Carlson's show.

Blogger VD September 10, 2017 2:59 PM  

Occam's Razor. They simply realize that capitulating to a fantasy RPG LARPer and his hordes of neckbeard sperg jock riders is a one way ticket to irrelevancy?

Genetic fallacy. If a horde of neckbeard sperg jock riders tell you that a category 5 hurricane is on the way, and your house is going to be under 10 feet of water, you might want to listen to them. Especially if it is raining, you live on the First Coast, the sky is turning black, and the wind is picking up.

Blogger S1AL September 10, 2017 2:59 PM  

So, Angsty_Pecker fully outs himself as a gamma in all of... three days? Is that a new record?

Blogger VFM #7634 September 10, 2017 3:04 PM  

"An article on PJ media about a distressed young liberal woman who keeps finding out that the men to whom she is attracted turn out to be Trump voters."

Heh. Two huge factors here, as I see it.

First of all, white males who support the Democrats are mentally ill and defective in one way or another. They'd have to be to support an ideology that hates them and wants to rip them off. Women of course know that, but usually won't give any indication they do, especially if they're single and unattached, as it would defeat their own need to shit-test the men.

By contrast, white men who support Trump and are open about it are automatically passing a nuclear shit test. Of course, the women can't tell them this either, and may not necessarily even be aware of it themselves, but that's what's happening. It's of course bigger than voting for a different cuckservative GOPe nominee, since we're supposed to believe that everyone hates Trump because he's so awful.

You can't build a political movement off of guys that are trying to "normalize" Nazism because it's not normal and never can be.

These guys aren't Gamma males. Gammas are smart.

This is purest Omega.


@91 Cataline Sergius
Pretty sure there are in fact smart Omegas and dumb Gammas.

Blogger Geoarrge September 10, 2017 3:18 PM  

seeingsights wrote:
It seems that the founders of Gab subscribe to the Murray Rothbard/Walter Block view that, in a free society, libel and defamation would be allowed...


This looks like a job for Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 10, 2017 3:31 PM  

S1AL wrote:So, Angsty_Pecker fully outs himself as a gamma in all of... three days? Is that a new record?
IIRC, he revealed it with his second post.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash September 10, 2017 3:32 PM  

kHz wrote:I'd suggest it for the #DailyMemeWars, yet it's perfect just as it is.


i sent it to Anglin on Gab. I'm sure he appreciates the thought.

Anonymous kHz September 10, 2017 3:44 PM  

I saw lol. No response?

TBF, the andrew anglins aren't known for appreciating thought.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 10, 2017 3:45 PM  

@179 Anglin's gonna Anglin. If Torba didn't freak out when Anglin was attacking him, why would he let Anglin's compliments go to his head? Whether you disagree with what he's doing or not, Torba is using Anglin to demonstrate Gab's commitment to providing a free speech platform.

@180 From what I can tell (and I'm not a legal expert) your interpretation of "automatically liable/defamatory speech" is a mischaracterization, and this is also based on Texas law. Even if the defamatory speech meets the defamation per se standard, it only means the plaintiff doesn't have to prove actual damages. There are still a number of legal determinations that must be made to support a finding of defamation per se, including 1) that a statement of unambiguous fact (as opposed to an insult) was published and 2) that the statement was made with malice if the plaintiff is a public figure. Further, there are a number of other legal and factual questions at play, such as what dishonesty, rascality, and general depravity mean under this standard. In reality those words will be defined differently from court to court & from day to day. All of which is to say that, no, Gab is not in a realistic position to automatically determine what constitutes defamation per se.

Then there's this gem from Main v. Royall: We construe an allegedly defamatory publication as a whole in light of the surrounding circumstances and based upon how a person of ordinary intelligence would perceive it.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 10, 2017 3:51 PM  

@181 No doubt Gab could pick off a few obvious edge cases like yours. But that would open the floodgates of people complaining to have defamatory material removed, and determining whether something is defamation per se isn't that clear cut. Again based on my limited knowledge as a non-attorney.

Blogger OGRE September 10, 2017 3:56 PM  

@190 just to clarify on the 'malice' element. This is not malice in the sense of criminal law ("malice aforethought") such that it means "evil intent" or "ill will." In defamation cases the element of malice means that the defamatory statement was made either 1) with knowledge that it was false, or 2) with reckless disregard of whether it was true or not.

Given the nature of the statements made about Vox--particularly the ones that delved into specific allegations of conduct--proving malice is not a difficult task.

Blogger RobertT September 10, 2017 4:06 PM  

There is no such thing as bad publicity. The worst thing in life is obscurity.

Anonymous Looking Glass September 10, 2017 4:07 PM  

@190 Noah B The Savage Gardener

Plus, is Gab a "publication" or a "broadcaster"? This effects the Safe Harbor rules for Gab. There's a reason why Vox suggested a Legal Review Board.

And there's the issues of redressing Libel under TX Law.

Real crux, as IANAL, is knowing the TX Case Law. Every State always has details that cropped up from State Supreme Court "tests". And any extra Fifth Circuit findings that might apply.

Anonymous Sheiko29 September 10, 2017 4:07 PM  

@192 fair point re relative simplicity of defamation. But learning is not litigating. Would be nice to have at least one guy who has tried a defamation case.

Again, I've never touched defamation, but didn't James Woods have something pretty similar against twitter? Then again I think the defendant died while in litigation so I think it fizzled out.

Blogger S1AL September 10, 2017 4:08 PM  

"The worst thing in life is obscurity."

We just dealt with a week worth of full-Reichtard spam, and this still might be the dumbest thing I've seen on VP in recent memory.

Anonymous SciVo de Plorable September 10, 2017 4:08 PM  

Apex_Predator wrote:You people are so fucking delusional and brainwashed it borders on the painful

Unlike those who claim that he's a LARPer who doesn't understand ironic memes? Or who claim that they shouldn't do anything unless he goes through the legal system, but then if he does he's attacking them?

Do you even hear yourselves? "Cult of personality" is projection to the max. VD will disagree civilly and give you a chance to back up your claims, and will also accept the same kind of challenge from you; he just doesn't have any truck with bluster or lies.

It's so refreshingly straightforward, I've mentally dubbed him the Aspie Whisperer. And I don't he'll mind me revealing one of the secrets to his success, because the world would be a better place if more people did that, and also they can't.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener September 10, 2017 4:09 PM  

@192 That all sounds right to me. For Vox's case the main issue as I see it is whether these were factual claims or insults. And in the cases of the unambiguous factual claims, whether they alleged criminality, general depravity, or neither.

Probably once the guys are served with Vox's complaints they're going to either do what he demands or not respond at all. Not responding is very stupid but not all that uncommon.

Blogger RobertT September 10, 2017 4:14 PM  

"I was genuinely shocked ..."

Today I have been following a discussion on LinkedIn started by a guy complaining about somebody using his work without attribution. I responded if he puts something out in the public to expect it to get stolen. The other 500 responders or thereabouts chimed in about his moral rights and other such nonsense encouraging this poor guy's whiny hurt feelings. This is the one way you can screw up controversy, by being a whiny bitch. NObody likes a whiny bitch.

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