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Tuesday, October 31, 2017

Accidents are war by other means

An "accident" at a North Korean nuclear reactor proves fatal:
A TUNNEL at an underground North Korea nuclear site has collapsed with up to 200 people killed, according to reports. The collapse happened at the Punggye-ri nuclear test site in the north-east of the country on October 10, according to Japan’s TV Asahi.
I would be very surprised if this was not a covert act of war.

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Blogger Jonathan Bennett October 31, 2017 3:01 PM  

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2117340/chinese-scientists-warn-north-korea-about-disaster-threat-nuclear

China warned them about instability. So either it's an accident, or China was in on the sabotage.

Blogger dienw October 31, 2017 3:04 PM  

We may have weapons capable of creating earthquakes.

Blogger Dire Badger October 31, 2017 3:07 PM  

dienw wrote:We may have weapons capable of creating earthquakes.

We do. It's called C4.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 31, 2017 3:07 PM  

``I would be very surprised if this was not a covert act of war.''

Yes, but by whom?

Japan? China? US? Russia? There are a whole lot of countries within range of Rocket Boy's rockets, who have a whole lot of incentive to toss wooden shoes into his machinery.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 31, 2017 3:07 PM  

you seem to have a great deal of faith in the quality of Nork engineering and materials QC.

Blogger Dave October 31, 2017 3:09 PM  

Any tremors or earthquakes in the area? Don't tell me somebody was fracking in the vicinity.

Blogger NO GOOGLES October 31, 2017 3:14 PM  

I wouldn't be surprised if it was just an accident. Things like this happen when you keep testing nukes underground in the same place.

Anonymous BBGKB October 31, 2017 3:18 PM  

I would be very surprised if this was not a covert act of war.

I think it's more like the CA just inspected dam, or Bhopal India poison gas disaster just another example of engineering without white people. There were warnings this would happen back at the beginning of NK nuke tests. Don't forget all it took was a crack pipe to burn down an Atlanta interstate bridge.

Blogger Dire Badger October 31, 2017 3:23 PM  

Since we all know the "Quality" of Asian Engineering (cough fukushima cough and the Japanese the best of the bunch)

Blogger Azimus October 31, 2017 3:27 PM  

If the NorK's blame the US/foreign interests, it was an accident. If the NorK's claim it was an accident, it was an attack.

When we see the list of WHO was killed, I think we will understand better who did the killing.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 31, 2017 3:30 PM  

@9  Fukushima Dai'ichi units 1 and 2 were completely designed by GE.  Had the bluff not been shaved down by something like 9 meters the plant would have been safely out of harm's way, but GE decided that the savings on pumping power for cooling water was more important.

Blogger Johnny October 31, 2017 3:31 PM  

It would be really nice of somebody other than us dealt with that creep. Maybe if we quit playing the global policeman we will find out that in many cases we don't have to.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum October 31, 2017 3:31 PM  

I would be very surprised if this was not a covert act of war.

Shouldn't be too complex to build an underground tunnel in 2017. Mexicans do it all the time. The Norks probably did it to themselves to false flag the G-E.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 31, 2017 3:34 PM  

I'm told this happened to the Russians, too. Repeated nuke tests under a mountain shake up the internal structures over and over, making for slippage and cascading collapses.

Apparently, Kim Jong Un doesn't have good relations with the dwarven miners who could have told him all this.

Blogger dc.sunsets October 31, 2017 3:37 PM  

Dire Badger wrote:Since we all know the "Quality" of Asian Engineering (cough fukushima cough and the Japanese the best of the bunch)

Yeah, well, the Fuku-f-up was all General Electric plus politics. It takes special stupidity to use only the first 10% of the original energy in the fuel and then store quantities of 90% still-hot "spent" rods in pools that require perfectly reliable electrically pumped cooling systems...on site...fuel rods that will spontaneously catch fire and burn, releasing clouds of radioactive particles into the wind, for centuries, if ignored for but a brief moment.

Do you wonder what the single greatest disaster awaiting the USA may be? When due to:
-- a solar flare EMP
-- a nuke attack EMP
-- a takeover of engineering by Diversity, Inc.
-- (pick your cause)

one or all of the hundreds of spent fuel rod pools dotting the USA begin to catch fire.

The $200 trillion in debt now in place and the vast labyrinth of industry grown up addicted to borrowing these past 36 years are molehills compared to kicking the nuke-plant can down the road...a road measured in millennia.

The NRDC used to have a map of fallout zones depending from US nuclear power plants, [https://www.nrdc.org/experts/matthew-mckinzie/mapping-fallout-severe-nuclear-power-plant-accidents-united-states] but apparently took it down some time ago, replacing it with nothing but begging for donations.

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Blogger Anchorman October 31, 2017 3:40 PM  

I recall an article from a week ago or so, stating China was stepping up their radiation detection at the border.

If I'm a conspiracy man (I'm not), I'd wager this was ChiComms.

Maybe something like, the US eases up on currency manipulation/economic warfare accusations in exchange for them taking lil Kim down a peg or two.

Most likely an accident and the Chinese have good inside intel, knew there might be problems, and stepped up detection program in case of events, like this.

Anonymous Weak October 31, 2017 3:40 PM  

And at Fukushima, the operators kept doing insanely dumb things to try to protect the reactor so it could operate again, rather than engage the safety equipment that breaks the reactor, but prevents the hydrogen explosion and radioactive release (the meltdown happens either way, but it's not a problem if they keep the containment building intact. That's why it's called "containment").

That was a failure of human operators, not the plant design.

Blogger FALPhil October 31, 2017 3:47 PM  

Johnny wrote:It would be really nice of somebody other than us dealt with that creep. Maybe if we quit playing the global policeman we will find out that in many cases we don't have to.

There you go being all practical again. John McCain would call you an "isolationist".

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother October 31, 2017 3:57 PM  

AHAHAHAHAHA

Blogger Darwinian Arminian October 31, 2017 3:59 PM  

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Anonymous johnc October 31, 2017 4:00 PM  

@18 And at Fukushima, the operators kept doing insanely dumb things to try to protect the reactor so it could operate again

That was Fake News. Don't believe anything you heard in the American media.

There were so many design failures that there wasn't anything they could realistically do.

Blogger Geir Balderson October 31, 2017 4:01 PM  

It is a shame that 'Dear Leader' was not there directing and supervising the weapons test. But, as with all cowards, he was at his palatial mansion eating swiss cheese and admiring his huge lawn!

Anonymous Lord of the Fleas October 31, 2017 4:03 PM  

The article says it was during construction of a new tunnel at the facility. It would be no surprise at all that the NORKs were using explosives in that effort, which would really exacerbate any prior weakening of the rock and lead to a collapse.

Yeah, probably an accident.

Blogger Brad Matthews October 31, 2017 4:06 PM  

A lot of recent talk about this happening so could go either way.

Blogger Darwinian Arminian October 31, 2017 4:07 PM  

@Ominous Cowherd
A covert act of war, but by whom?

Ditto on this, but something else to keep in mind is that one of the "whom's" could also be . . . North Korea itself. I remember hearing Michael Malice say that when a Westerner sees a disaster like this the usual response is to smirk at how the incompetent Norks once again bungled deadly technology. But that's not how the Koreans see it. Instead, they're saying to themselves: Look at what we just showed the world! Now they know that not only can we produce deadly technology, we will also use it!"

North Korea is one of the most closed-off countries in the modern world. So if we know about all of this happening outside of their borders now, it's a pretty good bet that they intended for us to. It's not like they haven't tried this approach with other attempts at mass destruction. Take those missile launches they've conducted. Western press likes to laugh about how the rockets always wound up going only a few miles before landing in the empty ocean. Silly Norks, can't even make a strike that did any damage! What they stupidly overlook is that a) Pyongyang got a rocket off the ground, b) Many would have liked to stop that, but no one did, and c) Who cares that it only travelled far enough to land in the sea when that's still the distance they would have needed if they had been aiming for Seoul? Or Japan? Or even China or Russia.

From North Korea's point of view, an event like this is useful in that it shows the outside world that they are capable of and are currently producing nuclear destruction. And those 200 dead workers? For them, that could even be a bonus as an added exclamation point to the message: If they're this willing to dispose of their own people, just imagine how cheaply they view the rest of the world! I wouldn't be too surprised to learn that the North Korean government was happy to both arrange and produce the disaster we're reading about now because they decided once more that the free world needed to be put on notice.

Anonymous Icicle October 31, 2017 4:20 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZIgda01k6o

North Korea is going to bring the Moon down to Earth!

Anonymous Weak October 31, 2017 4:28 PM  

No, I'm a licensed operator at an American plant of almost exactly the same design (BWR-4), and also a power plant engineer.

There were design issues, but it could have been a simple Three Mile Island partial meltdown if the operators had followed the Emergency Operating Procedures. Instead, they tried crazy stuff like cross tying the batteries to AC power to run core spray because they lost the diesels. When that quickly drained the batteries, they couldn't run the DC powered hydrogen burners, which led to the hydrogen explosion. That was one of many idiotic things they did.

True, better design would have never put the operators in that situation. But the operators kept making it worse. Bad design led them to a TMI scenario. Bad operators turned it into a mini-Chernobyl.

Blogger Dexter October 31, 2017 4:38 PM  

I only wish we were awesome enough to make it happen.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 31, 2017 4:48 PM  

Darwinian Arminian wrote:Ditto on this, but something else to keep in mind is that one of the "whom's" could also be . . . North Korea itself.

It could have been a false flag by the Norks, I suppose. As you say, we would be unlikely to hear about it if they didn't want us to. It makes sense that they might think that faking a big failure in public would buy them time to succeed more in private, for example. On the other hand, Rocket Boy might not like the thought of losing face like that.

Or, they might blame an accident on their boogeyman de jour, for domestic consumption and for moral standing abroad.

As for deliberately killing a bunch of workers in a cave-in as a propaganda coup? If it were a false flag, they might have collapsed the tunnel on some prisoners, I suppose.

As someone else said, if they claim it was an accident, they think it was foreign intervention. If they blame their enemies, they think it was an accident - or want us to think they think that.

Blogger roughcoat October 31, 2017 4:55 PM  

You can safely blast and tunnel in very poor quality rock if you know what you're doing. Western mining companies do it all the time, including in earthquake country. It's not exactly rocket surgery.

So if it was an accident, they're incredibly incompetent. Any occupied area underground should be heavily protected, with contingencies in place to keep workers alive long enough to be rescued if there is an accident. That level of incompetence is plausible, I suppose, and I would say the "accident" hypothesis is much more likely if they were using natural caverns (I don't know if they were). Just because they managed to hack together a nuke or two it doesn't mean they know much about mining and geology. And third world countries are not known for their strict workplace safety standards.

Blogger Cataline Sergius October 31, 2017 4:57 PM  

I would be very surprised if this was not a covert act of war.

Yes, but by whom.

Not us. Our Secret Squirrels aren't good enough anymore and have no real access to North Korea.

The ROKs might be a better bet, although after three generations they stand out in North Korea. Too tall, too well fed when they were kids. But it could be the ROKs

Most likely candidate, China. Their Secret Squirrels are good enough and have ready access. Also motive. China is unofficially pissed at the Hermit Kingdom.

Blogger Unknown October 31, 2017 5:08 PM  

Fake news. Sounds more like War Propheteering. Why look to the MSM to wag the dog when you've got all the gear right here? It never fails to impress, the lengths to which the war propheteer goes to to 'fulfil' their prophecies. The superego demands relevance.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 31, 2017 5:10 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Most likely candidate, China. Their Secret Squirrels are good enough and have ready access. Also motive. China is unofficially pissed at the Hermit Kingdom.

That's my guess too. Americans and Russians sort of stand out in Asia. Chinese much less so.

Some Chinese believe they can tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese and Koreans at a glance. The story was that Koreans look stubborn, and Japanese look shifty, as I recall. There are some national characteristics to each nation that probably stand out more to them than to us.

Still, China almost surely has native speakers of North Korean with recent time in-country who could do the deed.

Blogger B.J. October 31, 2017 5:26 PM  

"That was left-handed!" - C&C Commando

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener October 31, 2017 5:27 PM  

I like the straightforward explanation on this one, which is that repeatedly detonating nukes underground caused some unforeseen geotechnical stability issues.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 31, 2017 5:32 PM  

@2. dienw, "We may have weapons capable of creating earthquakes." Last I checked that had been done back in the 20s or so by attaching a simple, relatively weak pneumatic-powered oscillator to one of the load-bearing sunken foundations of a skyscraper.

Obviously this only works in specific, relatively coastal cities that basically rest on top of massive subterranean mud deposit "jell-O bowls" that allow sympathetic harmonics to just build and build and... but I digress. You could probably bring certain cities literally down to their foundations with less than ten thousand dollars worth of equipment and a strategic location. One of the many, many ways a handful of clever people could completely annihilate a DieVerseCity before it even knew something was wrong.

Anonymous Anonymous October 31, 2017 5:35 PM  

That sort of thing as a covert operation is damn hard to pull off and comes with serious fallout

I would put my money on accident or something like bribing a NORK to do it.

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 5:35 PM  

@8 "Bhopal India poison gas disaster"

This one really WAS 'wooden shoes'! Disgruntled employee (apparently too stupid to even know the right way to break things)!

Anonymous Sensei October 31, 2017 5:43 PM  

The focus is on instrumentality I understand, but in terms of who is responsible, let it be noted in passing that S Korea is filled with churches, and they pray a lot.

Anonymous Avalanche October 31, 2017 5:43 PM  

@36 "One of the many, many ways a handful of clever people could completely annihilate a DieVerseCity before it even knew something was wrong."

You selling the plans or donatin' 'em?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine October 31, 2017 5:44 PM  

"You selling the plans or donatin' 'em?"

Will you work faster with sunken-cost?

Anonymous Deplorable Winning October 31, 2017 5:45 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:``I would be very surprised if this was not a covert act of war.''

Yes, but by whom?

Japan? China? US? Russia?


$5.00 on Hillary. Who's in?

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd October 31, 2017 6:08 PM  

Deplorable Winning wrote:Ominous Cowherd wrote:``I would be very surprised if this was not a covert act of war.''

Yes, but by whom?

Japan? China? US? Russia?


$5.00 on Hillary. Who's in?


This might be good for the US, so no way it was Hillary.

Blogger Aeoli Pera October 31, 2017 6:08 PM  

Nasty way to go.

Anonymous Icicle October 31, 2017 6:28 PM  

Some Chinese believe they can tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese and Koreans at a glance. The story was that Koreans look stubborn, and Japanese look shifty, as I recall. There are some national characteristics to each nation that probably stand out more to them than to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbssnE9OsQU

"The only thing Japanese love more than killing people is killing themselves!"

Anonymous Marvin Boggs October 31, 2017 6:40 PM  

I cannot speak to Fukushima, but my personal experience is that the recommendations of engineers and programmers are very frequently overridden by MBAs and CPAs who are more interested in maximizing profit over quality. While there are errors made by engineers (and, I guess, maybe, possibly, programmers), before you blame an engineer, you want to have the full 411.

Anonymous roadrage October 31, 2017 6:46 PM  

Me. 10 bucks on the bitch. I' ll take odds.

Blogger Ingot9455 October 31, 2017 7:11 PM  

@36 Mythbusters demonstrated that modern building techniques prevent these kinds of harmonics, though you can get some interesting results. They had an episode where they built a Tesla oscillator and hooked it up to a bridge and found out that they could only get a small section of the bridge to resonate at any one time - and the others touching it damped out further effects. Still, they could make something pretty big a good distance away sing in resonance.

Whether you can get any effect if you have a pile to bedrock, I can't say.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents October 31, 2017 7:15 PM  

Most likely this was a case of geological instability induced by firing off nukes repeatedly in the same mountain. Could be nobody reported problems up the chain of command, because Rocket Boy doesn't like bad news and tends to execute the problem.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 31, 2017 7:18 PM  

9. Dire Badger October 31, 2017 3:23 PM
cough fukushima cough


*cough*
GE design built by GE and Boise Cascade Corp
*cough*


11. Mr. Rational October 31, 2017 3:30 PM
Had the bluff not been shaved down by something like 9 meters the plant would have been safely out of harm's way



that's still not the Criticality Error.

the Criticality Error was being so goddamn retarded as to think putting the cooling pools 5 stories up in the air was a good idea.

that's what made it impossible to supply water once the Emergency Generators got taken out. there should have been a Failsafe gravity feed water supply in place and there was not.

as a worst case 'suicide mission' option, firemen should be able to drag hoses in and manually fill the pools. it wasn't possible.

riddle me this:

ignore the seismic and tsunami issues for Fukushima.

what happens if somebody flies an airliner into one of these GE designs?

what happens if China / Russia / Iran / NorK / etc launches an actual military strike on one of these GE designs?

you wouldn't even have to use a nuclear weapon in the attack, any decent sized conventional or kinetic weapon could turn every single one of these reactors into a radiation disaster zone.

so much for Global Warming.


28. Weak October 31, 2017 4:28 PM
Instead, they tried crazy stuff like cross tying the batteries to AC power


W.
T.
F?

and these are supposed to be Nuclear Engineers and technicians? what, are they all Homer Simpson?

for those not grokking, "AC" is short for Alternating Current. ie - half of the service cycle is REVERSE polarity.

you know what happens when you short terminals on a car battery? that huge spark and bang? yeah?

reverse polarity is WORSE than a short for a battery.

let me guess, they didn't even attempt to capacitor couple ( which would convert the AC to varying DC ) the power?

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger October 31, 2017 7:23 PM  

Yes, I'd say that this may very well have been a Chinese covert operation to deal with what is a significant danger to China. If it was an accident, it shows just how unstable the North Korean underground testing facility has become, and how real the danger is to China.

The warning by Chinese scientists in the China Morning Post was published on 27 October, 2017. The incident occurred on October 10, so a direct connection between the two seems unlikely. This wasn't an instance of the Chinese saying "it would be a pity if something happened to that nice nuclear test facility of yours".

The fear the Chinese were expressing was that the entire mountain top might collapse, releasing lots of very bad radioactive stuff near the Chinese border. How long would we tolerate this situation if Mexico were operating a similar facility just across our border?

I feel that we're unwise act as though the N.K.s were primarily our responsibility to face. If we keep our distance, the countries that are actually most endangered by Reckless Rocketman would be more likely to act against him. Right now, China doesn't want to be seen as submitting to U.S. pressure. Publicly distancing ourselves from the problem would actually free up China's ability to act.

Blogger Rough Carrigan October 31, 2017 8:25 PM  

#28, Weak, Thanks for your insight.

As someone working in the field, I'm very interested in what you have to say about the concept of the liquid fluoride thorium reactors. I've seen a few videos and read a bit and it's very intriguing. Do you think there are design problems that can't be overcome?

Blogger Kristophr October 31, 2017 8:39 PM  

There are no design issues with FLiBe salt reactors themselves. Fuel processing can be done on site, either on the fly, or during a short shutdown.

The Oak Ridge test plant ran perfectly for decades when the Nixon Admin shut it down in favor of efforts at plutonium solid fuel breeders pimped by some companies in California.

Blogger Kristophr October 31, 2017 8:55 PM  

There are some folks pointing to the failed attempt at a Thorium reactor at Shippingport, but that was an old solid fuel design test reactor.

If you use solid fuel, there are no real advantages to a Thorium breeder. Same solid fuel partial fuel use and very dirty refining problems.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 31, 2017 8:58 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:It takes special stupidity to use only the first 10% of the original energy in the fuel
It's worse than that, actually.  LEU fuel might be 4.5% U-235 at fabrication and 1% at retirement.  Assuming 1% conversion and consumption of U-238, that's about 4.5% actually used.

Despite this it remains a superb deal, because uranium is such a cheap and compact energy source.

and then store quantities of 90% still-hot "spent" rods in pools that require perfectly reliable electrically pumped cooling systems...on site...fuel rods that will spontaneously catch fire and burn, releasing clouds of radioactive particles into the wind, for centuries, if ignored for but a brief moment.
Grossly exaggerated.  The NRC went over the figures post-Tohoku and found that fuel that has cooled for more than a few months cannot reach ignition temperature even if it runs dry.  Even if the cladding did catch fire, you'd only vaporize a bit of the more volatile fission products; the heavy metals are in the form of ceramic (oxides) and are EXTREMELY refractory.

Work is on-going to make silicon carbide fuel cladding.  It won't burn at any temperature that spent fuel can reach in air.

one or all of the hundreds of spent fuel rod pools dotting the USA begin to catch fire.
Won't happen, and wouldn't be a serious threat more than a mile away if it did.  If we really cared, we could just have the US gov't take all the old fuel away as it agreed to and leave the spent-fuel pools empty enough that they can't reach zircaloy ignition temp even with freshly-removed fuel.  Done.

@18  The hydrogen explosions occurred because the PRIME MINISTER ordered the plant operators not to vent the containments, which they needed to do to add water.  The emergency backup pumps quit because of no water in the containment, the cores ran dry because no backup pumps, and voila, meltdown.  But Naoto Kan was the big man and wouldn't take advice from the experts.

((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) wrote:the Criticality Error was being so goddamn retarded as to think putting the cooling pools 5 stories up in the air was a good idea.
None of the spent fuel pools caught fire, or even ran dry.  That's Green propaganda.  You sound like Harvey Wasserman.

The SFPs are up in the air because the way you refuel one of those beasts without killing your workers with gamma radiation is to flood the containment with enough water that all your fuel handling leaves it under 30 feet or so of it.  If you tried carrying the fuel down to ground level afterward, you'd add the risk of dropping it.

NTDL wrote:as a worst case 'suicide mission' option, firemen should be able to drag hoses in and manually fill the pools. it wasn't possible.
The SFPs didn't need water.  That's what the operators were trying to do for the reactors, but Naoto Kan's order not to vent the containments left them too highly pressurized to add water that way and they were at risk of rupture.

Also, your knowledge of electrical engineering isn't even sufficient to get what was a Novice-class ham license.

@53  If you go to nucleargreen.blogspot.com I believe you'll find a pointer to an effort to build a fully commercial molten-fluoride reactor, but it was killed by an NRC hit piece (WASH-1222) written with the intention of defending the budget of the Clinch River breeder.

Anonymous Mr. Rational October 31, 2017 9:02 PM  

@54  The LWBE (Light Water Breeder Experiment) was anything but a failure.  It bred something like 1.3% more U-233 than it consumed.

Shippingport was decommissioned after the run with the LWBE core because it was too small to be commercially viable and it had no more research tasks to do.

http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/5914091-SAaveY/ShippingportoperationswiththeLightWaterBreederReactorcore.(LWBRDevelopmentProgram).pdf

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) October 31, 2017 9:05 PM  

55. Mr. Rational October 31, 2017 8:58 PM
The SFPs didn't need water.


perhaps not. that's what was reported on the major news channels though.

in which case, that's my fault for placing a modicum of trust in Fake News.

Anonymous JI October 31, 2017 9:20 PM  

I hope the CIA was responsible for this as it would give them some credibility in my eyes.

Anonymous Looking Glass October 31, 2017 9:42 PM  

@51 Sidehill Dodger

If Canada or Mexico was doing anything like that near our borders, we'd have invaded already. We only put up with certain forms of stupidity on our borders. Only reason Cuba didn't get invaded is because it actually had nukes.

As to who? China, USA or South Korea. Japan doesn't have any offensive capabilities for that type of operation. (Their Intelligence Service is something of a joke among themselves. Similar issue that's happened to the Germans.)

As much as some would like it to be a "Rods from God" scenario, that's not a situation we'd ploy that cost of a weapon. We do seem to have some new, high-altitude kinetic weapons, though I think they're plane launched rather than sat-based. (Most likely an outcrop of our Anti-Sat Weapons development programs.)

But the South Koreans are the more likely party. They have agents in place that can deal with certain things. Especially now that they don't have a President being controlled by a demonic cult. (This is *not* a joke, btw.)

Anonymous johnc October 31, 2017 9:49 PM  

@55 The hydrogen explosions occurred because the PRIME MINISTER ordered the plant operators not to vent the containments, which they needed to do to add water.

That's not true. The first hydrogen explosion occurred at reactor 1; within six hours of the loss of power, the reactor was in meltdown and the operators didn't even know it. They believed the emergency cooling system was running, but it wasn't. That was a combination of operator error and instruments not accurately reporting the water level. They didn't realize there was a problem until high radiation was found outside the control room. They were caught off-guard, and unprepared.

Reactor 2 -- which didn't suffer a hydrogen explosion -- was never even vented. Due to a design flaw, operators were not able to operate the safety relief valves to vent the reactor into the primary containment vessel. Then, they weren't even able to vent the primary containment vessel (likely due to earthquake damage), causing it to eventually rupture. Most of the radiation release came from reactor 2.

Not that venting even mattered. At reactor 3 they were able to successfully employ fire department water injection. Unfortunately, due to a design flaw, most of the water was diverted to the steam condensers. Not enough water made it to the reactor, allowing for a meltdown and explosion of some type.

Who knows what happened at reactor 4. There were fires reported and then some kind of explosion knocked the socks off that building.

The Plant Manager ran the show there, not the Prime Minister.

Shortly after the incident, Gregory Jaczko, then Chairman of the NRC, said that it was impossible to prevent a meltdown with one of these containments when having a station blackout. Doesn't that make you feel safe? He was politely asked to resign shortly after that.

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Anonymous Clay November 01, 2017 4:21 AM  

As secretive as the Hermit Kingdom is supposed to be....how did this info ever get out?

Come to think of it....why are we so worried they will ever launch a missile against us? Are all those pics we see of them launching their "test" missiles crap?

If a country launches a missile, aimed at the US, or it's interests, it will be shot down.

We know where the missile was launched. The results would make the little NORK boo-boo look like a hang nail.

This is all a joke. The Israelis will take care of the Iranians, also.

Anonymous Iron Spartan November 01, 2017 10:17 AM  

Never assign to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.

The only secret squirrels who have access to the Norks are the Chinese. Blending in with the populace isn't really possible, so the only other option is to appear as someone who that people refuse to question or look at.

Blogger Andy in San Diego and Elsewhere November 01, 2017 11:01 AM  

Apparently lots of their atomic scientists got croaked in this one.
This was almost certainly enemy (i.e. US) action. The "rod of God" was probably used https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAKssz8_cDE

Anonymous Mr. Rational November 01, 2017 12:05 PM  

@60  Gregory Jaczko is a protegé of rabidly anti-nuclear Sen. (then Congressman) Ed Markey.  He grossly interfered with post-tsunami rescue operations by ordering US forces to stand off a ridiculous distance from Futaba.  He also drove up the cost of the AP1000s by forcing a new rule onto plants which already had signed construction contracts, forcing much re-engineering down to the literal foundations; this is what killed the V.C. Summer expansion.  He was pushed onto the NRC as an agent to kill nuclear power in the USA.  Believe nothing he's ever said.

Blogger Daniel November 01, 2017 2:28 PM  

Fukushima is GE design abd the japs were forced to buy it

Blogger newbietrader November 01, 2017 5:31 PM  

mines collapse all the time, are they acts of war? you keep blowing up stuff inside a mountain, sooner or later that mountain will fall on your ass if you aren't carful, no warfare required. and the norks don't impress me as being too tech savvy

Anonymous Korean Sun November 01, 2017 7:32 PM  

The CIA nor the American military was involved in this event. They were busy planning the NYC false flag.

Blogger Jan Minář November 01, 2017 9:04 PM  

@68

Mines collapse, because you are trying to hollow out as much of the mountain as possible while lowering cost. You dig where the ore is, which is not always where you would like to build things. Whereas underground military installations are made with tons upon tons of reinforced concrete, in an arbitrary location, definitely a geologically inert one.

Blogger Lazarus November 01, 2017 9:43 PM  

A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents wrote:Most likely this was a case of geological instability induced by firing off nukes repeatedly in the same mountain. Could be nobody reported problems up the chain of command, because Rocket Boy doesn't like bad news and tends to execute the problem.

Most likely. It is bad form in Asian societies to draw attention to mistakes by one's betters.

Anonymous Clay November 02, 2017 3:55 AM  

You know, where were the only "known" underground nuclear tests performed east of the Rockies?

http://mshistorynow.mdah.state.ms.us/articles/293/nuclear-blasts-in-mississippi

Not that you would give a crap, but good for a bar-room bet.

Hell, most folks in Mississippi don't even know about it.

Blogger Doom November 02, 2017 4:50 AM  

Hahaha Yes, Americans, Russians, and SKs, and Chinese actually, would stand out. But they would use a one in million who doesn't or an escapee with a grudge. What are you, four? I do get the sense that it was sabotage. If I am not convinced NorKs would be able to know. Dear Short and Squat uses his best asset to discern such matters, an American silver dollar... *flip*

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