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Wednesday, November 08, 2017

Foreign corruption

Imagine how much worse this sort of thing is likely to be in the USA:
Priti Patel is facing the sack today after Theresa May ordered her to cancel an Africa tour and return to the UK. The Aid Secretary's fate appears to be sealed after two further secret meetings with Israeli officials emerged on top of the 12 that had already been revealed. The latest developments appear to have hardened the mood in Downing Street, where there had already been fury at Miss Patel's 'freelancing'.

No10 sources said the minister had been told to return to the UK from Nairobi for a showdown, cancelling plans for her to fly to Uganda with Trade Secretary Liam Fox. The row over Miss Patel's extraordinary breach of government protocol while on a 'family holiday' to Israel surfaced last week, but erupted again on Monday when she admitted there were more undeclared meetings, including with Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu.

Mrs May demanded an apology from Miss Patel and formally reprimanded her, hoping that would draw a line under the furore. However, it has now been revealed that she held two further unauthorised meetings with senior Israeli political figures which were not attended by UK Government officials. Miss Patel narrowly avoided the sack following the initial wave of revelations after the PM decided she could not risk destabilising the Government further after Sir Michael Fallon quit over sexual harassment claims last week. But Downing Street’s stance changed yesterday after it emerged that Miss Patel had tried to divert some of Britain’s aid budget to humanitarian work by the Israeli army in the disputed Golan Heights.
I wonder what would happen if the special counsel were to investigate Israeli interference with the US government with the same energy he has shown in the futile RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA probe.

I understand that Israel is in a geographically precarious position and is always looking for ways to improve the odds of its survival, but this sort of thing is absolutely the wrong way to go about strengthening one's alliances and pretty much guarantees a backlash that could be worse than any potential benefit gained.

UPDATE: This affair may take down May as well as Patel now. Total incompetence on the part of the Prime Minister, who should have fired Patel immediately.
Number 10 instructed Development Secretary Priti Patel not to include her meeting with the Israel foreign ministry official Yuval Rotem in New York on 18 September in her list of undisclosed meetings with Israelis which was published on Monday, the JC has learned.

Ms Patel listed 12 meetings in the statement, and the emergence of two more last night is thought to have made her sacking imminent.

But the JC understands, from two different sources, that Ms Patel did disclose the meeting with Mr Rotem but was told by Number 10 not to include it as it would embarrass the Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
It would be ironic as well as unfortunate if this diplomatic debacle helped Jeremy Corbyn, the avowedly anti-Zionist Labour leader, come to power.

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Blogger wreckage November 08, 2017 5:05 AM  

Likewise, no matter how much you're pro-Israel, nor how much a do-gooder, no matter how attractive the mantle of Extra Special Hero...
Go through channels. Present the case. It's hard and thankless work. That work is your damn job.

Blogger wreckage November 08, 2017 5:08 AM  

All over the Western world you can see it: the old guard are dead, and the onetime revolutionaries who thought they would do it all better have no mentors, no institutional memory, and are winging it based on TV dramas they watched growing up. TV dramas that, for demographic/market reasons, like all of pop culture at the time, were designed specifically to pander to them.

Blogger SteelPalm November 08, 2017 5:08 AM  

Vox, how is this any different than, as a random example, Obama interfering in Israeli elections for prime minister back in 2015, since he hated Netanyahu?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/250206/obamas-national-field-director-running-anti-daniel-greenfield

Or Hillary trying to foment revolution in Israel from within while she was at the State Department?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/261426/hillary-clinton-ally-pitched-covert-anti-israel-daniel-greenfield

Or, during that same period, spying on Israel and threatening to shoot down their planes if they moved against Iran? Which, if I recall correctly, you defended as a perfectly normal function of government at the time? (And I don't entirely disagree, either)

And I could write paragraphs and paragraphs about how the British government constantly meddles in Israeli affairs, and has been for the past century.

Everyone is aware of how much China is meddling in US affairs, too.

But yet, the only shocking and abhorrent example is when Israel is found to be meddling too, like all the rest. Why is that?

Anonymous Isle Six November 08, 2017 5:12 AM  

It is simply not possible to deter this type of behavior unless treason and high crimes of state are punished at the gallows. Women wanted political equality. Now an opportunity presents itself. Failure to hang Ms. Patel would be tantamount to sexism.

Blogger Sillon Bono November 08, 2017 5:12 AM  

but this sort of thing is absolutely the wrong way to go about strengthening one's alliances and pretty much guarantees a backlash that could be worse than any potential benefit gained.

This sort of thing is why (((they))) will get kicked out again.

This sort of thing is not only prevalent but the norm across all western countries.

This sort of thing is what (((they))) do.

Every single damn time.

Anonymous Gavriel M November 08, 2017 5:20 AM  

'Patel is considered to be on the right-wing of the Conservative Party,[8][42] with the Total Politics website noting that some saw her as a "modern-day Norman Tebbit".[8] In The Guardian, the economics commentator Aditya Chakrabortty characterised her as "an out-and-out rightwinger" who has no desire to "claim the centre ground" in politics.[43] Patel has cited Thatcher as her political idol,[8] with various news sources characterising her as a Thatcherite,[8][19] and while profiling Patel for The Independent, Tom Peck noted that she "could scarcely be more of a Thatcherite".[44] She served on the 1922 Committee before appointment as a Minister,[45] and is an officer of Conservative Friends of Israel.[46]'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priti_Patel

A pretty high proportion of right-wing politicians in Europe get backing from Israel. They've got to get backing from somewhere, after all.

Blogger wreckage November 08, 2017 5:26 AM  

The US Jews are converged, but Israel is one of the least converged nations on earth. I keeps getting red pills lobbed across the border from its vibrant neighbours....

Steel Palm, the sensitivity of the issue underlines the need for care on Israel's part. Personally I think Russia is a bigger issue, just because Russia has strategic reach.

Blogger Josiah Litle November 08, 2017 5:39 AM  

This seems a cultural divide as much as a political one; in Israel, the back channel, or direct route to the decision maker is often valued as a time saver. Not to mention that a personal relationship helps with any sort of diplomacy. The middle east, of which Israel is a part, value such things.

In response to @1. No. The job is to get results. And the results matter, not the process. Why do you think that there is a need for hasbara?

Blogger VD November 08, 2017 5:40 AM  

Vox, how is this any different than, as a random example, Obama interfering in Israeli elections for prime minister back in 2015, since he hated Netanyahu?

Obama was the Head of State. He determined the government policy and had the right to act as he saw fit. And he did it openly. Patel's job is to administer the aid budget. She's not even part of the right ministry to be TALKING policy with foreign governments. And she hid it from everyone, including the British Ambassador to Israel. Even when caught, she still didn't confess everything.

It is hugely, MASSIVELY different. And Israel's behavior in talking to an official outside the Foreign Office about these subjects was a flagrant violation of international diplomacy. Foolish at best. This will do nothing but strengthen the position of the Arabists in the FO.

But yet, the only shocking and abhorrent example is when Israel is found to be meddling too, like all the rest. Why is that?

That's an absurd statement when RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA has been in the press for over a year. But Israeli meddling is outrageous because Israel isn't supposed to be an enemy of the USA. Americans expect Israel to behave more like Britain, not like China.

Now, aren't you supposed to be an American? Why are you leaping to Israel's defense again?

Blogger VD November 08, 2017 5:43 AM  

This seems a cultural divide as much as a political one; in Israel, the back channel, or direct route to the decision maker is often valued as a time saver.

But Patel is not that route. At least, she is not supposed to be that route. It is possible that May was playing a stupid and dangerous game, which might explain why she didn't can Patel immediately. But Patel's incomplete disclosure means May can't save her even if she wanted to. If May doesn't fire Patel, her party will throw her out.

Blogger S'mon November 08, 2017 5:44 AM  

"this sort of thing is absolutely the wrong way to go about strengthening one's alliances"

I agree - as a Brit, I don't much appreciate the Israelis treating us Anglo countries the same way they treat Arab countries.

Blogger Josiah Litle November 08, 2017 5:48 AM  

VD wrote:But Patel is not that route. At least, she is not supposed to be that route. It is possible that May was playing a stupid and dangerous game, which might explain why she didn't can Patel immediately. But Patel's incomplete disclosure means May can't save her even if she wanted to. If May doesn't fire Patel, her party will throw her out.

Agreed. The error, however seems to be Patel/May's. That is my impression, at least. And yes, face will be lost all around.

Blogger SteelPalm November 08, 2017 6:01 AM  

VD

Obama was the Head of State. He determined the government policy and had the right to act as he saw fit. And he did it openly. Patel's job is to administer the aid budget. She's not even part of the right ministry to be TALKING policy with foreign governments. And she hid it from everyone, including the British Ambassador to Israel. Even when caught, she still didn't confess everything.

Wait, is the argument that this is extraordinary corruption on Israel's part, or that Patel is an idiot who did something she wasn't supposed to and was rightly fired? Because I agree with the latter.

And Israel's behavior in talking to an official outside the Foreign Office about these subjects was a flagrant violation of international diplomacy. Foolish at best. This will do nothing but strengthen the position of the Arabists in the FO.

It might be foolish, yes. Although given the context of Britain's continuing foolish, constant meddling into Israel, I doubt Israel doing the same changes much between them.

I don't think highly of Israel's government, but I also don't rate them worse than the British one.

Americans expect Israel to behave more like Britain, not like China.

But didn't you argue this was a stupid and incorrect assumption by any nation? And that they must be constantly wary even of supposed "allies" and long-time historical friends? (And I agreed completely with you on that)

Israelis probably expected America not to interfere in their elections in 2015, spy on them, try to create internal strife/revolution through NGOs, threaten to shoot down their planes, or give their biggest enemy the go-ahead to create nukes. But yet, that's what happened, despite the fact that no one has treated Jews and Israel better historically than America has, not even their own government. Or the fact that Israel might not have survived without America.

Now, aren't you supposed to be an American? Why are you leaping to Israel's defense again?

Haha, as you correctly noted, I can't be American on the sole basis that I'm a first-generation immigrant from Russia. And I certainly don't have any descendants from the Revolutionary War.

Nevertheless, one doesn't even need to like Israel to note that meddling is something that every country does, and usually to a far worse degree. Including, most relevantly, Britain's meddling into Israel.

Blogger VD November 08, 2017 6:07 AM  

The error, however seems to be Patel/May's.

Perhaps, but the presence of this guy raises some questions about whose idea it was in the first place.

She was accompanied by Lord Polak, honorary president of the Conservative Friends of Israel lobby group, which has given the Tories almost £400,000.

My theory is that Polak encouraged Patel to take these meetings, possibly at the behest of someone in the Israeli government, possibly on his own initiative. Patel, being excessively ambitious, stupidly agreed. Many of the Israeli officials would not necessarily have known that she was doing this without permission or the knowledge of the PM or anyone in the FO.

Then May screwed up by failing to come down hard on her as soon as word leaked out. So, the one thing we don't know is who put Polak up to it, if anyone.

Anonymous Basket of Deplorables November 08, 2017 6:12 AM  

So SteelPalm, you acknowledge you yourself have to go back, whichever back it is?

Blogger Michael Feather November 08, 2017 6:13 AM  

It would be nice if this led, somehow, to a successful leadership challenge by someone who actually gave a damn about Brexit, amongst other things. However, I suspect VD is right, in that we're more likely to end up with 'Comrade' Corbyn instead, unfortunately.

Blogger VD November 08, 2017 6:15 AM  

Wait, is the argument that this is extraordinary corruption on Israel's part, or that Patel is an idiot who did something she wasn't supposed to and was rightly fired?

We don't know yet. The question is if this was Polak's initiative, Patel's initiative, or someone else's. It almost surely was not Patel's initiative; she's ambitious, but obviously not all that bright. And we now know it definitely was not a secret initiative by the PM.

Haha, as you correctly noted, I can't be American on the sole basis that I'm a first-generation immigrant from Russia. And I certainly don't have any descendants from the Revolutionary War.

Touche.

Blogger VD November 08, 2017 6:16 AM  

I don't think highly of Israel's government, but I also don't rate them worse than the British one.

Oh, I would take Netanyahu over May every single time. He, at least, defends his people.

Blogger Lazarus November 08, 2017 6:18 AM  

Ennobled by David Cameron two years ago, Lord Polak is a veteran of Westminster’s corridors of power. He has taken literally hundreds of Tory MPs to Israel over the years, educating them about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and securing their support in parliamentary votes and the public arena.

Under his guidance, CFI became the biggest lobbying group in Westminster, holding lunches for 700 guests, making countless Downing Street visits, and developing contacts throughout Israel and the Middle East.

In turn Lord Polak – the savvy networker who began his career as a United Synagogue youth officer in Edgware - gained the ear of Prime Ministers, a peerage, and influence.


https://www.thejc.com/comment/columnists/stuart-polak-the-westminster-veteran-1.447570

Another Westminster source may have hit on the best explanation for the peer and politician’s actions last summer: “I think they knew they were not doing the right thing. They took a gamble and screwed up. Love him as I do, Stuart may have got too cocky for his own good. He’s helped Priti’s rise – and her fall.”

Blogger Silly but True November 08, 2017 6:29 AM  

Family vacation? The insensitivity of Brits' against Priti Patel is unbelievable here. With her trip to Israel, she had been visiting her spiritual homeland that connects to her not through blood but through geopolitical beliefs of the nation-state.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 08, 2017 6:35 AM  

First impression is this was a really ham-fisted attempt by Patel to setup her own channels, though the Israelis might have thought it was more standard meet & greet stuff. Patel has ambition, but maybe not quite tall enough for the ride? Great Powers Games are just that, and everyone plays to win.

Blogger Lazarus November 08, 2017 6:37 AM  

Silly but True wrote:she had been visiting her spiritual homeland

Actually, she is of Indian (dot) descent. Also a staunch Brexiter, anti-open borders, and wanted to re-introduce the death penalty, as well as possibly replace May as leader.

The globalists took a scalp.

Blogger David Power November 08, 2017 6:46 AM  

"UPDATE: This affair may take down May as well as Patel now. Total incompetence on the part of the Prime Minister, who should have fired Patel immediately."

It won't bring down May and her reticence to sack Patel immediately, has less to do with incompetence and more to do with the weak position the Tories are in at the moment. The Conservative Party has far too slim a majority to risk the in-fighting a leadership contest would provoke.

The '1922 Committee' will decide the best time to ditch her. Which (IMO) will probably be in October 2019. Giving the New PM (Borris Johnson or the potential God Emperor in waiting... Jacob Rees-Mogg) time to bed themselves in before the following years General Election.

It's worth mentioning that Johnson is currently mired in a controversy of his own. While Mogg's star is still rising and who is by far and away the most popular candidate with the Tory rank and file. Who incidentally will make the final decision once the candidates are whittled down to two.

Blogger ZhukovG November 08, 2017 6:49 AM  

@Lazarus: That is my impression as well. However, the political blunder, exposing herself in this manner, is hers alone.

Anonymous Rocklea November 08, 2017 6:54 AM  

Under the Westminster system when the press and public are baying for the blood of a politician, it's actually very rare for them to be outright sacked. The usual scenario is deny wrong doing, minimise, admit partial wrong doing with good intentions and if that doesn't work the PM may take away their Portfolio and send them to the back bench. Which is a kind of sacking but you don't lose any numbers in the House and you don't risk a bi-election which you may lose.

Of course once more wrong doings come to light, you're kinda screwed.

Meanwhile, in Australia we seem to be heading for a constitutional crisis. Under section 44, no Federal politician can serve if they are dual national or even eligible to take up citizenship of a foreign country through birthright or descent. Which means they must get foreign governments to officially relinquish any such claim they have on them. Four heads have rolled, I think many more will be on the chopping block before too long. Current and historical orthodoxy of verification of this requirement has been nothing but a Stat Dec and their word.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 08, 2017 7:02 AM  

@23 David Power

So May is currently safe because the pretenders to the throne are currently too weak?

Anonymous Clay November 08, 2017 7:11 AM  

Good grief. I think the Catatonia's should emigrate to Israel, too.

Blogger Antony November 08, 2017 7:14 AM  

Slightly ot, but as it is about"God's Chosen Tribe", and the subject of "Judeo-Christianity" was on Vox's youtube channel lastnight - here is a liberal/leftist view of this that is currently going around atheist and humanist circles ; https://theconversation.com/why-judeo-christian-values-are-a-dog-whistle-myth-peddled-by-the-far-right-85922

Anonymous Steve November 08, 2017 7:25 AM  

how is this any different than, as a random example, Obama interfering in Israeli elections for prime minister back in 2015, since he hated Netanyahu?

I don't blame Israel for trying to influence our politicians, but we can't have government ministers having secret meetings with foreign governments without the PM or the FO knowing.

If the Israelis were deliberately trying to sabotage Patel's career they couldn't have chosen a better means of doing it.

Re: the stuff about wanting British money diverted to the IDF, that's pretty lol. I admire the chutzpah, but we need to cancel foreign aid completely.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer November 08, 2017 7:26 AM  

Rocklea wrote:Meanwhile, in Australia we seem to be heading for a constitutional crisis. Under section 44, no Federal politician can serve if they are dual national or even eligible to take up citizenship of a foreign country through birthright or descent. Which means they must get foreign governments to officially relinquish any such claim they have on them. Four heads have rolled, I think many more will be on the chopping block before too long. Current and historical orthodoxy of verification of this requirement has been nothing but a Stat Dec and their word.

Isn't curious that countries have this requirement but there is never really a formal check/investigation. I wonder who benefits from that?

Blogger David Power November 08, 2017 7:27 AM  

@26. Cataline Sergius

So May is currently safe because the pretenders to the throne are currently too weak?

Not exactly.

She is safe because the current Brexit negotiations are likely to be very messy with a satisfactory outcome increasingly unlikely.

Consequently, the leadership position is somewhat of a poisoned chalice at present.

The Parliamentary Conservative Party have decided (wisely) to allow May to take all the flack surrounding the final Brexit deal and then introduce an untainted candidate for the next general election.

Anonymous Steve November 08, 2017 7:32 AM  

Oh, I would take Netanyahu over May every single time.

I would take Netanyahu, a novelty hat that says "DAMN SEAGULLS", or a troupe of ebola-infected baboons over Theresa May any day of the week.

She's so useless she'd find a way to screw up pouring a glass of water.

Anonymous Rocklea November 08, 2017 7:42 AM  

"Isn't curious that countries have this requirement but there is never really a formal check/investigation. I wonder who benefits from that?"

Laws are for the little people.

"Slightly ot, but as it is about"God's Chosen Tribe", and the subject of "Judeo-Christianity" was on Vox's youtube channel"

So, apparently "Judeo-Christian", to the offended party, is good rhetoric.

Maybe we can mix it up a little.
Judeo-Christian values are the new Mecca of the West.

Anonymous Athor Pel November 08, 2017 7:54 AM  

"3. Blogger SteelPalm November 08, 2017 5:08 AM
...
But yet, the only shocking and abhorrent example is when Israel is found to be meddling too, like all the rest. Why is that?
"



USS Liberty. That's why.

Blogger Desdichado November 08, 2017 7:59 AM  

Wait, is the argument that this is extraordinary corruption on Israel's part, or that Patel is an idiot who did something she wasn't supposed to and was rightly fired? Because I agree with the latter.

Neither. It's an example of supposed First World countries acting like banana republics. Stop being so defensive. Because, yes, it's also an example of Jewish culture that's not flattering. Don't make it also become another example of Jewish defensive and blindly defending the indefensible, because all too many people are going to assume that that's what the Jews will do anyway. You're only feeding the beast. It's foolish to blame only one half of a corrupt deal for the corruption. Somebody OFFERED Patel those quid pro quos, you know.

It might be foolish, yes. Although given the context of Britain's continuing foolish, constant meddling into Israel, I doubt Israel doing the same changes much between them.

I don't think highly of Israel's government, but I also don't rate them worse than the British one.


This is interesting, when you start spinning all about how you're a Fake American, that "Patel" is the "British" government. Anyway, yes—nobody is denying that this is an indictment of massive failure on the side of the Brits too. It's too early to say whether the failure was corruption per se, or the fact that a Fake Briton is in the British government behaving exactly as you'd expect them to do in keeping with the culture from which said Faked Briton comes from.

But didn't you argue this was a stupid and incorrect assumption by any nation? And that they must be constantly wary even of supposed "allies" and long-time historical friends? (And I agreed completely with you on that)

Yes, and he's also argued that reversion to the mean with regards to culture and hbd is the only assumption that's a smart one as well. So this fails on two fronts. But that's the whole reason to point it out, isn't it? So the slower can see that what you've been saying all along is playing out as you predicted.

Haha, as you correctly noted, I can't be American on the sole basis that I'm a first-generation immigrant from Russia. And I certainly don't have any descendants from the Revolutionary War.

Nevertheless, one doesn't even need to like Israel to note that meddling is something that every country does, and usually to a far worse degree. Including, most relevantly, Britain's meddling into Israel.


There's a difference between "meddling" and "corruption." And when caught red-handed, "somebody else did it too" is hardly a convincing defense.

Anonymous Subversive Saint November 08, 2017 8:27 AM  

Let's see...

Anti Israel PM comes to Power while pro-reform King takes Saudi throne.

Wonder if the time is right for a certain peace treaty...

Blogger BassmanCO November 08, 2017 8:37 AM  

Oh, I would take Netanyahu over May every single time.

I would take Netanyahu, a novelty hat that says "DAMN SEAGULLS", or a troupe of ebola-infected baboons over Theresa May any day of the week.

She's so useless she'd find a way to screw up pouring a glass of water.
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Steve, thank you for the first laugh of the day. Always enjoy your wordsmithing.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 08, 2017 8:43 AM  

Political corruption is an intangible, just like what populates the bond or stock market. It's difficult (if not impossible) to fully grasp how unnatural it is to understand the "market" for such things.

For tangible things, supply-demand pricing prevails; as supply grows, generally the marginal value (and thus price for all units) falls.

This is not how it works for intangibles.

As price rises, more is supplied, but as the quantity supplied grows, it doesn't reduce the price. The rising price itself causes higher prices, even as supply swells. In this way, we could have bond prices in a 35 year bull market while the supply of debt rose to sustain a bridge to distant stars (David Stockman lists the on-books total at $225 trillion now, up massively since 2009.)

Political corruption is exactly like this. The more of it there is, the more it pays off, the more will be created. It is NOT self-limiting. It is (IMO) fueled by the exact same collective herding behavior (i.e., public tolerance, complacency and pathological trust) that fuels the entire Leftist paradigm AND the greatest credit bubble (AKA Great Asset Mania) in recorded history.

Just as there is no boundary to the quantity of IOU's filling the bond ocean before a reversal is forced, there is no limit to how depraved and dishonorable are the actions of people who obtain (or arrogate) power within a human hierarchy.

Political corruption across the planet is mirrored in scale only by the astronomical debts that now pass as "the world economy."

The inevitable collapse of those debts, the coming tidal wave of political disgust and the evaporation of restraint on organized inter-group violence all look to coincide.

Blogger Azimus November 08, 2017 9:01 AM  

I checked her out... she's not that priti, truthfully. I'd give her like a 3. 3/10 would not bang...

Blogger Jeff aka Orville November 08, 2017 9:34 AM  

This sort of ties in with the latest Weinstein debacle of hiring former (sic) Mossad agents to undermine the credibility of Rose McGowan and other victims, as well as influence fake news organs into not reporting the stories.

The Jews have way too many fingers in our pie.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-08/harvey-weinstein-used-undercover-ex-mossad-agents-silence-accusers-halt-publications

Anonymous Didas Kalos November 08, 2017 9:44 AM  

@ Athor Pel: what do you mean by USS Liberty?

Anonymous Grayman November 08, 2017 9:52 AM  

@40 Jeff

The Jews have way too many fingers in our pie.


Whoa.... the jews are putting their fingers where? Is that "pie" old enough to consent?

Anonymous Jeff November 08, 2017 9:58 AM  

Priti Patel has to go back.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 08, 2017 10:04 AM  

I agree - as a Brit, I don't much appreciate the Israelis treating us Anglo countries the same way they treat Arab countries.

Why should they treat you as an Anglo country when you have a government with people named Priti Patel in it?

Anonymous Gabriel M November 08, 2017 10:46 AM  

To reiterate what some other commentators have been saying.

Israeli interference in British politics = have meetings with a pro-Brexit, anti-mass-immigration, anti-socialist MP.

British interference in Israeli politics = give money to Leftist groups trying to destroy Israel, including one that finds out the identities of Palestinians who sell their land to Jews so they can be tortured to death by the PA.
https://www.ngo-monitor.org/reports/uk-funding-for-israeli-and-palestinian-ngos-update/

British right-wingers, such as they are, have no right to be angry nor anything to be angry about.

Blogger Lazarus November 08, 2017 10:47 AM  

Didas Kalos wrote:@ Athor Pel: what do you mean by USS Liberty?

Do the search...its the 50 year anniversary

Blogger Jew613 November 08, 2017 11:04 AM  

Vox, no matter how this turns out a lot of people are going to end up looking bad. But England's policy to Israel has always been hostility under a veneer of friendship. I doubt that will change.

About Obama's interference in Israeli elections, the open meddling wasnt good but is common enough to be excusable. The funding and probable running of V15, most likely an American front group masquerading as a grassroots org, was much worse. I suspect other Leftist groups which suddenly had tons of money and much greater competence then normal around the elections were also being run out of Obama's Washington.

Didas, the USS Liberty was an American naval vessel Israel attacked and severely damaged killing 34 sailors during the Six Day war.

Anonymous Mathias November 08, 2017 11:08 AM  

@45

Bull, Isreali interference in British politics = getting them involved with a useless alliance with Poland, causing them to lose most of their empire so a bunch of Jews could have a tiny spit of land that belonged to someone else and to destroy Germany, a people who are the 1st cousins of the British. Not to mention the countless lives lost.

Anonymous patrick kelly November 08, 2017 11:15 AM  

"Why should they treat you as an Anglo country when you have a government with people named Priti Patel in it?"

Ouch.
That's cruel.
And awesome.

And we had a POTUS named Barack Hussein Obama.

Anonymous Gabriel M November 08, 2017 11:36 AM  

@48 Unfortunately, only real stuff counts. In the real world, the British government that went to war over Poland was the same one that cut off Jewish immigration to the land of Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939

Anonymous Mathias November 08, 2017 11:47 AM  

@50,

The phrase "cut off" implies that they had previously authorized said immigration and changed their minds. Which completely undermines your point. I see your White paper and raise you the 450,000 Jews that the Balfour Declaration stuffed into the area.

Anonymous Didas Kalos November 08, 2017 12:13 PM  

@47 You mean to tell me that Israelis attacked a USA Naval vessel? Why? How did this happen? Reading some now. This is horrible.

Blogger VD November 08, 2017 12:24 PM  

You mean to tell me that Israelis attacked a USA Naval vessel?

Not only that, Riker TURNED DOWN HIS OWN SHIP!

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 08, 2017 12:29 PM  

Steve wrote:
Oh, I would take Netanyahu over May every single time.

I would take Netanyahu, a novelty hat that says "DAMN SEAGULLS", or a troupe of ebola-infected baboons over Theresa May any day of the week.

She's so useless she'd find a way to screw up pouring a glass of water.


Actually, one of my older (now gone) relatives with a rural background has a good phrase for her condition:

"She's so stupid she couldn't pour piss out of a boot with directions written on the heel."

Anonymous Mathias November 08, 2017 12:29 PM  

@52,

Also, Snape Dies, and Jesus comes back after the third day!

Sorry, couldn't resist piling on.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 08, 2017 12:44 PM  

Grayman wrote:
@40 Jeff

The Jews have way too many fingers in our pie.

Whoa.... the jews are putting their fingers where? Is that "pie" old enough to consent?


They don't need no stinkin' consent. If the holy writings of the wise and learned rabbis say 3 years and one day is old enough for the most important finger to be put into ((homemade pie))), they can put it in at any age they like for cows and sheep. ... and the churchians like to endlessly whine on about Moohamed and his 9-year old wife.

Blogger Desdichado November 08, 2017 12:46 PM  

Didas Kalos wrote:USS Liberty. Woah! https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjg65H0vK_XAhUm3YMKHWU9AdsQFggyMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheintercept.com%2F2017%2F06%2F06%2Ffifty-years-later-nsa-keeps-details-of-israels-uss-liberty-attack-secret%2F&usg=AOvVaw39hSHzkVLL5b9ZNYN9pT60

Yes, thank you. Next time, just google it yourself the first time and then keep your results to yourself. The fact that the rest of us are talking about it kinda hints that maybe we already know the backstory.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 08, 2017 1:32 PM  

@54 And the relationship between Captain Picard and Ensign Crusher wasn't just platonic. This is Star Trek after all.

Blogger David Power November 08, 2017 2:28 PM  

Patel just resigned.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) November 08, 2017 2:35 PM  

51. Mathias November 08, 2017 11:47 AM
I see your White paper and raise you the 450,000 Jews that the Balfour Declaration stuffed into the area.



thesis: mostly homogenous population, in this case Palestinian

antithesis: import a large population that refuses to assimalite

synthesis: constant ongoing low level warfare which is used to justify all kinds of things

hrm.



59. Noah B The Savage Gardener November 08, 2017 1:32 PM
And the relationship between Captain Picard and Ensign Crusher wasn't just platonic.



remember how i pointed out that young pretty boys in Hollywood have likely been turned out?

they're circling around nailing Charlie Sheen for being Corey Haim's molester, probably the first one. when Charlie was 19 and Haim was 13.

which implies, what?

Charlie has been acting since before the age of 10. do you think, perhaps, that like Travolta, he was taught that this was the way things were done in Hollywood?

do you think Charlie's brother, Emilio Estevez didn't have much the same experiences?

do you think their father, Martin Sheen, was completely oblivious that these things were going on?


do you think these childhood experiences might have any bearing on Charlie's current bizarre behavior? do you still think it's an accident that Charlie hired a transvestite to give him a blow job?

Blogger Azimus November 08, 2017 2:45 PM  

"Lord Polak" - Is this a real guy? Sounds like an Ian Flemming ultra villian... Puse Galore... Dr Goodhead...

Anonymous Didas Kalos November 08, 2017 2:50 PM  

@58 you are so kind and thoughtful. Thanks for the tip. Oh, wait. Hey, I didn't see you discussing this at all. You don't like this story?

Blogger Jew613 November 08, 2017 3:25 PM  

Bob, except the Arabs were allowed to immigrate En masse by the British, and the territory was used as a dumping ground for malcontents by the Turks. So they weren't homogeneous, when the Arabs weren't fighting the Jews pre-1948 they were fighting each other. Think Syria, Yemen, or any other Arab occupied territory. Arabs hate each other, they just hate the Jews a little more.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 08, 2017 3:45 PM  

@60
Patel just resigned.

Now she can go back.

Blogger weka November 08, 2017 4:44 PM  

@4. I am a traditionalist and sexist. You Hang, draw and quarter male traitors and burn at the stake female traitors, unless noble. If noble, both sexes meet the headsman, whom they had to bribe to do a clean job.

@26 May is safe because she is a useful idiot at this stage of the electoral cycle. She keeps Whitehall happy chasing /pol/. When it comes time for the election, expect someone like Boris to roll her: the Tories know they have to go populist.

As an aside, the division in the commonwealth is liberal cities with immigrants against the provinces with the natives. Seen in Brexit, Trudeau in Canada, and Adern in NZ. It it the reason Virginia is now a one party state. Of course, the provinces can stop the water and power to the cities...

@49. And we have a Green woman born in Berkeley as a minister out of cabinet (Julie Ann Genter). May she go back.


@65. Patel should go back. India can look after their own.

Anonymous Eastside School November 08, 2017 5:03 PM  

And this is where I stopped taking Vox seriously:

"I understand that Israel is in a geographically precarious position and is always looking for ways to improve the odds of its survival"

The state of Israel is one of the greatest crimes in the history of the world, and the Jewish distortion of American politics is a tragedy to rival the War Between the States.

Anonymous BBGKB November 08, 2017 5:20 PM  

What is the DUP party position on Israeli corruption of the UK?

Women wanted political equality. Now an opportunity presents itself. Failure to hang Ms. Patel would be tantamount to sexism

Not only am I the biggest Zionist, wanting all jews to go to Israel , few want gender equality as much as I.

Americans expect Israel to behave more like Britain, not like China

No "caught on Soros video" kiddie diddlers in charge of China.

So SteelPalm, you acknowledge you yourself have to go back, whichever back it is?

When I meet with Bibi he said "Oy Vey, stop telling all the godless, cocksucking bacon eating jews that they can come to Israel & leach off the taxpayers by pretending to read the Torah", they might be raising the standards for who is let in.

the British government that went to war over Poland was the same one that cut off Jewish immigration to the land of Israel.

Wasn't that before jews dressed up as arabs & started bombing british military locations in that land?

Anonymous From Holland, Michigan November 08, 2017 5:47 PM  

Apparently I am the only real Christian here as I stand with Israel no matter what. The Jews are His chosen people. God’s rules. “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." Jews are our world’s Elves and Arabs are it’s orcs. Do you really stand with Orcs and Sauron?

Blogger weka November 08, 2017 6:44 PM  

@69. You need to read Joel Rosenberg Metzada series. He's clear that the Jews are barbarians and Israel will do what they have to to survive: in his universe it is putting all males in a mercenary army.

I don't blame Mossad. I do blame American Jewry and the British cucks. Britain should be for the English. (The Scots colonized NZ, the Irish New York and the Welsh Australia).

All intelligence agents use those they can blackmail: money, girls (or boys), gambling and substances are the vectors they use to coerce betrayal. The CIA and KGB are simply less skilled than Mossad.

And Patel is lucky she is not in the Tower.

Anonymous Haxo Angmaerk November 08, 2017 6:50 PM  

this is great.

Corbyn will stand like a rock against the upcoming Isramerican/Saudi war of aggression against the Shi'a Crescent: Hezbollah, Syria, Iraq, Iran, all backed by Russia.

the quickest death for the Judeo-globalist Empire will be a big Lost War.

Anonymous T November 08, 2017 6:54 PM  

Google the “Samson Option”...

I would bet that Israel has nuclear ICBMs aimed at the USA, to take us out with them.

Some friend.

Blogger weka November 08, 2017 6:54 PM  

@72. Corbyn would require the Queen to convert to Islam if he could get more votes. Her Majesty would not bend: not sure about her son.

OpenID leukosfash November 08, 2017 7:09 PM  

From Holland, Michigan wrote:Apparently I am the only real Christian here as I stand with Israel no matter what. The Jews are His chosen people. God’s rules. “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." Jews are our world’s Elves and Arabs are it’s orcs. Do you really stand with Orcs and Sauron?

Well, I don't know about your being "the only real Christian" here, you're certainly the stupidest. God's Chosen People (the Elect) are those who BELIEVE in Jesus. Abraham was not an even an Israelite, never mind a Jew. Have you even read Galatians? Rabbinical Judaism is an Antichrist religion worshiping a false god. This world's Jews are paying the Orc's to kill, rape and destroy as many Elves as they can.

Dumbass.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 08, 2017 7:39 PM  

@69 from Holland, Michigan
Apparently I am the only real Christian here as I stand with Israel no matter what.

Judeo-Christ concern troll is concerned. Hasbara not paying well enough?

2/10 boring would not read again.

Blogger VD November 08, 2017 8:24 PM  

The Jews are His chosen people.

And do you stand with the Jews who are not Jews too?

Anonymous From Holland, Michigan November 08, 2017 8:39 PM  

Jesus was a Jew:

https://www.gotquestions.org/was-jesus-a-jew.html

I suggest you educate yourself. Anti-semitism is a sin and probably the worst sin of all. It is orcish.

Blogger vorlos November 08, 2017 9:02 PM  

Then Jesus was an orc. He denounced the Jews comparing them to satan. Stop cucking.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( Fine Purveyor of Quality Artisanal Gorm ) November 08, 2017 9:39 PM  

63. Jew613 November 08, 2017 3:25 PM
Arabs hate each other, they just hate the Jews a little more.


so, adding Jews is a good idea because?

because Synthesis, obviously.

i never argued that Arabs, especially muslim Arabs, were good people.

for instance, the Jews are hardly the only peoples that the Arabs hate "just a little more".


68. From Holland, Michigan November 08, 2017 5:47 PM
Do you really stand with Orcs and Sauron?



oh. gosh.

i'd have to be Deplorable to stand with the Orcs and Sauron!


go vote for Hillary, you and she can lick both feet of the Jews.


Blogger Lazarus November 08, 2017 9:50 PM  

Jew613 wrote:Arabs hate each other, they just hate the Jews a little more.

the arab problem is that people try to make them organize into states, when they are more organically organized as emirates, which can exist within states peaceably.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/21231

OpenID leukosfash November 08, 2017 9:52 PM  

From Holland, Michigan wrote:Jesus was a Jew:

https://www.gotquestions.org/was-jesus-a-jew.html

I suggest you educate yourself. Anti-semitism is a sin and probably the worst sin of all. It is orcish.


Wow, with that kind of half-witted scholarship, you have to be either Southern Baptist or Pentecostal.

Look, stupid, Jesus was not a non-covenanted Rabbinical Jew like those rat-faced Sun-worshipers in Brooklyn and Tel Aviv, he was a Mosaic Israelite (tribe of Benjamin, not Judah, btw)--a covenanted group of people who became defunct in AD 70 when the Second Temple was destroyed and the Mosaic covenant forever annulled by God.

And antisemitism is not a sin any more than racism or sexism is. Do you even Decalogue?

SMH.

Blogger Lazarus November 08, 2017 9:52 PM  

From Holland, Michigan wrote:Apparently I am the only real Christian here as I stand with Israel no matter what

Ever read the Pauline Epistles, Mr. Christian?

Blogger Lazarus November 08, 2017 9:55 PM  

From Holland, Michigan wrote:Jesus was a Jew:



Jesus was not "a" Jew. Jesus was "The" Jew. Jesus was the only Jew that fufilled the Torah. All the rest......meh.

Anonymous Jack Amok November 09, 2017 12:11 AM  

And we had a POTUS named Barack Hussein Obama.

Yep, which is probably one (among many) reason not many people - include a whole bunch of us here - stopped treating America like an anglo state already.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents November 09, 2017 12:27 AM  

@76 From Holland, Michigan

Jesus was a Jew:

Jesus is the Son of God.

I suggest you educate yourself.

Dude, right back at you. Ask your supervisor for better lines.

Anti-semitism is a sin and probably the worst sin of all.

Dude, you're really not good at this. Need a new hasbara script?

Worst sin of all?
See Luke 12:10 and Matthew 12:21-32

Lame concern troll, probably an atheist.
1 / 10 engage for amusement purposes only.

Anonymous Harvey Weinstein November 09, 2017 12:37 AM  

I'm an elf

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot November 09, 2017 10:03 PM  

Is the operative's favourite music group "The Rezidents"?

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