Wednesday, November 22, 2017

Hashtag canceled

A longtime DC Comics fan explains why he recently canceled his subscription.

Like many kids, I enjoyed comics, but as I got older I gave them up so it had been decades since I'd bought one. In 2016 DC, realizing that their sales were slumping and the effect of SJWs on their comic franchises, launched Rebirth, which was a supposed return to the roots of the characters. I've always liked Batman and Superman and decided to give them a shot. My focus here is with the political and moral implications of the various comics, not specific plots, unless they were especially good or bad. The art ranged from really good at times to mediocre but that's outside the scope of this too. I'm not looking for political perfection in my comics and I expect them to be as far left as the average TV program--which is at minimum center left.

However, I was finally forced to conclude that Rebirth is an SJW bait-and-switch aimed at traditional fans, and that all of the reborn comics will eventually be as converged as they were before. And that's not even taking into account the fact that Marvel's big SJW, Brian Bendis, is now coming to DC to do to Superman what he did to the various Marvel lines.

Detective Comics: Read #934-956

The main arc is that Batman assembles a team to help in Gotham which includes Batwoman and even Clayface. The Clayface plot was actually pretty good of why he was a villain and him trying his best to reform his life. A positive highlight was the Victim Squad. They were a group of people who through Batman's actions in the past were "collateral damage". They had physical ailments, suffered loss, etc. They collectively decided that since something bad happened to them it justified whatever they wanted to do to the world and of course wanted revenge. I think this was a direct swipe at the victim culture. Another interesting plot is that Batwoman's father is a military man who is running a black op to take out sleeper agents in Gotham. Batman stops him and moralizes at him, then throws him in jail. All well and good except Batman is dead wrong, the military guy is right, and there are sleeper agents in Gotham. I stopped reading it at Robin's (Tim Drake) death because it was such a stupid plot device, and the it was obvious they were going to bring him back quickly making his death meaningless. The series has a few lesbians as as friends of the team and mentions that Batwoman was forced to leave the US Military Academy due to her being in a lesbian relationship. I'd say overall it's center left, but not full SJW.

Titans: Read #1-10

Not much to say here. It's pretty boring, but the art was nice. I didn't really care about the characters and I don't remember a lot of heavy politics by the time I gave it up.

Superman: Read #1-#35

This is the best of what I read. Superman is heroic, always tries to do what is right, including being a good father and husband to Lois. The art is good, the plots are classic, with an interesting twist that Lex Luthor is now a good guy (maybe). The best part of this series is the interaction between Superman and his son. I don't even think I could nitpick this series if I wanted to as Krypto "Superdog" is even in it and defends Superboy and Superman. This is what comics should be like.

Doomday Clock:

I read the preview and it is 100% converged. "Undeplorables", Russia is the enemy, and William F. Buckley Jr. is a villain. This is the future of DC now, as this event will impact the continuity going forward.

Action Comics: #957-987

This is the series which made me give up on DC. It starts out reasonably well and retells Superman's origins, death at the hands of Doomsday, and explains how this Superman got here as apparently he died again before this series of illness and this Superman is from New Earth, not Earth Prime on which things happen now. (Confused yet? Welcome to the silliness of comic continuity.) The plot dragged down as Doomsday showed back up but there was no tension because they weren't going to kill Superman again with Doomsday since started with Superman #1. They high point is where Lois and Jon (Superboy) pray for their father during the fight.

From there it goes downhill plot-wise and the SJWs show back up. First after raising their son in an idyllic countryside about an hour from Metropolis Lois decides that she isn't fulfilled and a whole lot of horrible rationalizing begins by Lois and Superman of why she needs to go back to work at the Daily Planet, live in an apartment, and Superman of course goes along with all of it. Even though they both admit it's not necessary monetarily, and Jon loves his friends and where he lives. He complains but they don't give a shit and move him to a skyscraper because it makes them happy. (Are Babyboomers writing this?)

Then an SJW writer takes over and "the worst evil humans can commit" is brought about by some guy named Dr. Oz which includes a white hunter teaching his son in Africa to poach rhino horns, white rebels in Africa stealing medicine, white sweatshop owners, and a white guy who lost his job to Hispanics - expressly illegal immigrants - tries to gun them down while wearing an American flag bandanna on his head. I stopped reading right then, and got my money refunded on my Kindle. In fact I had purchased a few others I had not read yet and got my money refunded on all of them too.

With the recent Bendis hire, I can only imagine where things are headed. I'm sure Superman will be fully converged soon. I'm a casual fan, so any corrections in the above with regards to plot or characters is appreciated and I'm sure that the serious fans will have a lot of good insights to add which I missed. I'm also curious to know about some of the other series like Green Arrow or Wonder Woman are like, and what state they are in since Rebirth.

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Anonymous JAG November 22, 2017 1:08 PM  

Gotta love the projections about a POTUS who golfs too much.

Anonymous JAG November 22, 2017 1:09 PM  

Although to be honest, if Hussein had spent 100% of his two terms golfing he would have been a far better President.

Blogger Dave W. November 22, 2017 1:14 PM  

Ye gods. Still not sorry I quit reading Marvel & DC years ago.

Blogger Ben Cohen November 22, 2017 1:20 PM  

Did anyone see the punisher series yet?

Anonymous Rfvujm November 22, 2017 1:22 PM  

With all this convergence, it's especially disgusting how many superhero products are marketed to children. Take a stroll through the children's clothing and the toy department in any big box retail store. SJWs cannot create, they can only destroy.

Anonymous Damn Crackers November 22, 2017 1:24 PM  

Doomsday Clock looks and sounds like DC is trying to out-anarchist Alan Moore.

Blogger Desdichado November 22, 2017 1:32 PM  

Ben Cohen wrote:Did anyone see the punisher series yet?
Read the Castalia House blog.

Blogger Edgar Abbey November 22, 2017 1:37 PM  

"...a white guy who lost his job to Hispanics - expressly illegal immigrants - tries to gun them down while wearing an American flag bandanna on his head."

An allusion to the scene in KINGDOM COME when the former hero Americommando is speaking out about immigration from atop the Statue of Liberty as his Minutemen followers are tossing migrants off the seawall.

Anonymous Eli November 22, 2017 1:37 PM  

I'm more upset about the convergence of DC than Marvel at this point. DC characters have a lot more weight to them in my eyes. Stupid things like making Wonder Woman Bi a couple of years ago and hiring Bendis now don't bold well for the company.

It doesn't help that they can't really rely on the film franchise to bail them out like Marvel can. The latest Justice League film isn't exactly setting the world on fire. My guess is that they'll pay a steeper price than Marvel when they fully dive into sjw politics.

Blogger Jon D. November 22, 2017 1:38 PM  

My experience w/ recent DC has been as follows:

Batman: An OK plot, but Batman is a weirdo creeper with emotional problems. He thinks of himself as a failure and is depressed and not heroic at all.

Detective Comics: It's lesbian Batwoman's "team book". There's no detectiving going on. It's all about assembling the team -- which as the OP says is pretty interesting with some of them. The whole point of this book is to assemble the lesbian soldier's team to show she's the one in charge though. Batman is worthless at every turn, and he even has emotional outbursts about how lonely he is like a caricature. It's really sad.

Mr. Miracle: Most overrated comic ever. It's just "is this real are we insane?" jumbled nonsense with like suicide with no consequences, a woman who's smarter and better and stronger than the main character Mr. Miracle, and snarky mocking of like the old way comics drew excitement from their dialogue boxes.

Jetsons: Relaunch for "Kids". Environmental message fiction and heavy feminist agenda.

Green Lantern Corps: I find this hard to get into, and if you don't have the GL history, you're out of luck here. Ethan Van Scriver is on this and Robert Vendetti, both of whom I like, and the former is a vocal nice guy republican (the token DC hires) on twitter. It's got no convergence I saw, but it's a bit hard to follow. Very little emotional investment as the problem DC/Marvel has that's killing them in addition -- everyone's been dead and has come back like 50x. There is no danger. There is nothing to relate to. The storyline was fine overall, but I wish I could like it more.

Blogger Howard Stone November 22, 2017 1:39 PM  

@Ben Cohen, I made it to episode 5, I can’t finish it. I just don’t care about any of the characters, the dialog is terrible, the plot goes no where, and the guy playing punisher looks
like a white Beatlejuice (see Howard Stern).

Anonymous Jordy November 22, 2017 1:39 PM  


How is it a projection? Both Obama and Trump are fans of golfing, and both did, or do, it frequently as President.

Anonymous J. J. November 22, 2017 1:45 PM  

Superman will soon leave Lois Lane for Jimmy Olsen.

Anonymous JAG November 22, 2017 1:45 PM  

Jordy wrote:JAG,

How is it a projection? Both Obama and Trump are fans of golfing, and both did, or do, it frequently as President.

You don't know SJWs very well.

Anonymous JAG November 22, 2017 1:47 PM  

J. J. wrote:Superman will soon leave Lois Lane for Jimmy Olsen.

Nah, he'll transition. There could be a story arc where the dilemma is finding medical equipment capable of giving a Kryptonian a Choppadickoffame procedure.

Blogger Emery Calame November 22, 2017 1:53 PM  

I've found it difficult to read & care anything from the big two since 2008 and I was having trouble back in 2004. Mostly I started watching TV shows like JLU and Avengers EMH before they got replaced by less interesting stuff.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 22, 2017 2:08 PM  

Doomsday Clock: The end of "Watchmen" was ~1988. One of the contenders for the Presidency after Nixon resigns (~ 4 terms in office) was Robert Redford. Trump not on the horizon, but ... wait ...

Geoff Johns: Mastermind behind SvB + GL movies, Arrow + Flash TV, butchering GL in comics.


Blogger Nakota Publishing November 22, 2017 2:24 PM  

As far as I'm concerned, William F. Buckley SHOULD BE the villain. He was the CIA-sponsored cuck who drummed the John Birch Society out of conservative politics.

Blogger Chris Mallory November 22, 2017 2:29 PM  

Ben Cohen wrote:Did anyone see the punisher series yet?

The 10 minute long "Dirty Laundry" is still the best depiction of Frank Castle on video. Using a bottle of Jack to take out a black pimp and his diverse (of course it is) gang was just plain cool.

Blogger Resident Moron™ November 22, 2017 2:32 PM  

Alt*Hero are the only comics I've spent money on for over 30 years. I wouldn't pay for either a DC or Marvel product, ever. I've seen some of their recent films because I travel by air a lot and what else you gonna do? No way I'd pay 10 Euro or more for any of it at the cinema.

Anonymous Jordi November 22, 2017 2:42 PM  


When do we get the first Alt*Hero episode ?

Anonymous John VI November 22, 2017 2:53 PM  

Nah. They will just swap superman out for an alternate universe superman that is female. And still loves Lois Lane.


Yeah. I've been clean for 3 years. Not going back.

Blogger James Dixon November 22, 2017 2:58 PM  

> The latest Justice League film isn't exactly setting the world on fire.

While I read and like "Schlock Mercenary", I've found that Howard Tayler's views on movies are a reliable negative indicator. He liked it. That's all I need to know.

Blogger Lovekraft November 22, 2017 3:02 PM  

I highly recommend the 12-parter "All Star Superman" by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 22, 2017 3:08 PM  

Superman screwed up big time when he married the bitch.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 22, 2017 3:12 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Superman screwed up big time when he married the bitch.


Journalist. Feminist. Loud. Annoying. Short hair.

If real, would not "ring", nor "bang".

Blogger Silly but True November 22, 2017 3:13 PM  

DC converged? You don't say?

Anonymous Edjamacator November 22, 2017 3:14 PM  

The Superman that's around now is actually supposed to be "Real Superman™" if I've read the series right. DC knows that their horrible New-52 "reboot" failed to gain the readers they hoped it would, and I guess young jerk Superman (he's white, so gotta be a jerk) didn't appeal to anyone. So, killed him off and had "Real Superman" from pre-52 comics magicwarpjumpslidestargate in to the "new new universe" somehow. Because as braindead and converged as DC is, someone realized that having the Real Superman people have followed since forever is the only one people really want.

I can second the summaries of the Superman comics mentioned, as I just started reading again to see what has been changed since I was a teen. The Doomsday Clock I just read today, actually, and yes, much eye-rolling threatened to detach my corneas throughout the issue. The Oz storyline, which is supposed to be Jor-el (oops, spoilers) was that bad, too. It's amazing that white people haven't just totally destroyed the planet or themselves already, given how utterly evil, vicious, and totally-violent-no-matter-what we are. I'm just surprised they don't already have a new evil team called the Trumpsters. They are getting that on the nose about it.

Blogger Nathan November 22, 2017 3:19 PM  

One of the big problems with comics is that there are a limited number of stories and ideas that have just been cycled through over and over again since the original big-name talents came up with them back in the 70s and 80s. Everything is just recycled Moore/Miller/Morrison, over and over again.

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 22, 2017 3:22 PM  

@28. Edjamacator    November 22, 2017 3:14 PM
Pity that "Real Superman™" didn't drag along "Real Batman™", "Real Green Lantern™", "Real Flash™", "Real Wonder Woman™", etc.

The New 52 is jerks, all the way down.

Blogger horsewithnonick November 22, 2017 3:25 PM  

"Doomsday Clock", being a continuation of the Watchmen limited series, doesn't intersect with DC's main-universe continuity at all; as for the others, it sounds like the only way to salvage any of them at this point is to fumigate the whole building with all personnel inside, and then hire an all-new, non-converged staff to write and draw the stories. Be a shame about the artists, probably, but it's the only way to be sure.

Blogger Lovekraft November 22, 2017 3:25 PM  

@26 Man of the Atom: "Journalist. Feminist. Loud. Annoying."

The TV series became unbearable after the amount of screen-time given to Lois Lane had me thinking she had some serious dirt on some producer.

Turns out as well, that one of the actresses, Allison Mack is involved in some weird Hollywood sexcult (yes, weird and Hollywood is redundant, I know).

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 22, 2017 3:27 PM  

Nathan wrote:One of the big problems with comics is that there are a limited number of stories and ideas that have just been cycled through over and over again since the original big-name talents came up with them back in the 70s and 80s. Everything is just recycled Moore/Miller/Morrison, over and over again.

Same problem as the Pulps: no one seems to understand where the stories that inspired the comics of the 40s, 50s, and 60s originated. And no one reads the comics from that era either. The comics were Pulp inspired, but both Marvel and DC did all they could to wash that history away starting about 1985.

Moore/Miller/Morrison are the "starting point" for most comics readers. '1984' came to comics about 25 years after hitting F/SF.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 22, 2017 3:40 PM  

Who wants to bet we are going to see Black Superman in the next 18 months?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 22, 2017 3:46 PM  

Steel is the black superman.

What is the DC marvel response to a successful alt hero?

Anonymous Eli November 22, 2017 3:49 PM  

"What is the DC Marvel response to a successful alt hero?"

Hopefully hiring Vox as editor in chief. One can dream.

Blogger Silly but True November 22, 2017 3:51 PM  

Even better than Shaq!

Blogger Silly but True November 22, 2017 3:57 PM  

Vathlo Island - Did highly advanced Kryptonians understand that diversity+proximity=war?

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 22, 2017 3:58 PM  

Clark Kent's entire backstory is pretty problematic as this point.

When it was created in 1933 it fit perfectly with the times. The smalltown kid who moves to the big city was pretty much everybody's story back then. Today his parents would have lived in Metropolis for three generations.

And by, "mild mannered" did they mean, nerd? Should Clark being having a Game Night?

Also adoptions have gotten a little more complicated than, "look what we found by the side of the road." Particularly if you are talking about a White baby.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener November 22, 2017 3:58 PM  

@35 Same response as usual.

Blogger tz November 22, 2017 4:01 PM  

Rebirth - from people who are pro-abortion.

Blogger Rashadjin November 22, 2017 4:13 PM  

I was never one for the comics, so most of my experience comes from the animated before drifting off a while back. Actually picked up the Teen Titans Judas Contract movie on whim not so long ago (because animation).

It's the story of a teen girl with serious, serious daddy issues after she was betrayed by everyone as a child. So +1 to father/family issues being the story du jour of the moment. Mediocre, moderately converged (Dick Grayson and Starfire at the sex and moved in together stage of relationship, evil religious cult that happens to be surprisingly white if I remember right, something about leadership between Starfire and Nightwing that may or may not count), with a surprisingly strong emotional finish.

What I miss from DC is the strong relationship dynamic between Batman and Catwoman from Batman TAS. They've been screwing that up completely for something like the last twenty years. The Arkham City game may have been a bright spot in that land of blight, but I didn't quite manage to get around to playing it...

Blogger Anchorman November 22, 2017 5:10 PM  

I gave up on Punisher once they made the ticking time bomb vet.

Hollywood can only write two types of vets. Brooding and suicidal or psychopaths.

Hero Iranian woman is real patriot. White guys are evil.

Anonymous BBGKB November 22, 2017 5:26 PM  

The funny thing is I am pretty sure most religious blacks would rather have their kids reading one of the first Scrooge McDuck comics showing Scrooge loosing all his money, then starting to work jobs to build it back up, than the first edition of Captain Black American where capBlack America walked in a gay pride parade then beat up rednecks on the border.

Blogger Lovekraft November 22, 2017 6:10 PM  

@43: interesting quote from Punisher ep 2 that stuck with me. After being asked if she's single by Spec Ops dude, Afghani FBI agent replies:

There's two types of people in the world - those who get to have families, and those who have to protect them.

Overall, I like the show. Gritty in the Netflix DD style. Try watching the film "Shot Caller" for a better version of Frank.

Anonymous Killua November 22, 2017 6:22 PM  

And this is why we need alt-hero.

I have never liked DC. What I care about in the comics I read is creative superpowers (like x-men or spiderman) and intelligent fight scenes (like Hunter x Hunter). If I wanted politics in my comics I would read something else.

Blogger Jack Daw November 22, 2017 6:32 PM  

"...a white guy who lost his job to Hispanics - expressly illegal immigrants - tries to gun them down while wearing an American flag bandanna on his head."
SJWs desperately wish this would happen in real life, and the fact that it doesn't is a constant source of confusion for them.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 22, 2017 7:20 PM  

You wouldn't think that Sam Wilson and the purse puppy corpsman were essentially the same character. Black counselor. Sam has been able to hold his own and purse puppy just deaths the show down further.

OpenID turk187 November 22, 2017 7:21 PM  

Im pretty sure the Robin who died was Damian Wayne not Tim Drake.

Blogger Alfred Genesson November 22, 2017 7:42 PM  

Steel, the black Superman? Nah, he's an inventor. Black Iron Man.
Oh, they have the Milestone equivalent, Bloodwynd.

But I quit reading hero books mostly with New 52. I havent' been reading Rebirth. Batman White Knight is really interesting, it has politics without being political(yes, it is possible). Ragman has potential, but I'm holding judgement for now. The Demon: Hell is Earth had a great first issue. I only started trying DC again because I've heard some good things, but wanted to avoid the main lines. Deadman was a complete flop in storytelling.

@46 xmen powers being interesting, really? Half of them are wolverine rip offs. And DC has just as much power variety as Marvel in its history, if you go into the less powerful corners.

Blogger Chris McCullough November 22, 2017 8:16 PM  

It's a shame they're handing Superman's reigns to Bendis. They finally got him in a good spot since that horrendous storyline "Grounded" five years ago. Come to think of it, every hack writer does the Superman turns evil cliche, but nobody's ever done Superman gets redpilled.

Blogger Howard Stone November 22, 2017 9:15 PM  

New Marvel show on Hulu called The Runaways. Looks like a group of antifa punks, and one of them wears a pussy hat. Disgusting.

Blogger Last Redoubt November 22, 2017 9:17 PM  

@23. James Dixon

Books too. He made a couple sound cool, that ... just no. It's a shame that the podcast he's on, Writing Excuses wen't downhill, but looking at Howard's commentary these days, and the fact they let MRK on at all as a fourth host, nevermind her poisonous bile, it was doomed.

Blogger Desdichado November 22, 2017 10:51 PM  

If I wanted politics in my comics I would read something else.

I think you may have missed the point of Alt*Hero.

Blogger Brad Matthews November 22, 2017 10:55 PM  

Pretty good

Anonymous VFM #6306 November 22, 2017 10:57 PM  

"Continuity" and "Multiverses" have been idiotic comic title strategies since the original "Crisis on Infinite Earths" in the 1980s. I loathed that miniseries as a kid precisely because it canonized contradiction and error.

I had no problem with issues or even short runs that uncovered some alternate universe that imposed its strangeness on the normal earth (Bizarro World!) or if Batman had to go to the future to solve a crime with Adam Strange.

What I minded was a comic company imposing its phony, indexable order onto a diverse multiverse that equalized OUR Earth and OUR Superman with every other one.

In the words of Dash Incredible, "If everyone is special, than nobody is."

Blogger Brad Matthews November 22, 2017 11:01 PM  

She was what I didn't like about the series. Her character was better by the end.

Anonymous CoolHand November 23, 2017 12:30 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:@26 Man of the Atom: "Journalist. Feminist. Loud. Annoying."

The TV series became unbearable after the amount of screen-time given to Lois Lane had me thinking she had some serious dirt on some producer.

Turns out as well, that one of the actresses, Allison Mack is involved in some weird Hollywood sexcult (yes, weird and Hollywood is redundant, I know).

I knew I liked that gal for a reason.

Loyalty AND organizational skills.

Definitely a keeper.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab November 23, 2017 12:47 AM  

For the first time in years I am excited about comics. From Bane to Winter world and now a whole new world of Avalon. I can't wait to see what happens.

Was there a conscious decision to go to the DC model of a 'mythic' America of imaginary cities and places rather than the Marvel, 'real world' of Manhattan and L.A.?

Blogger Harambe November 23, 2017 2:06 AM  

And people wonder why I read Manga

Blogger WynnLloyd November 23, 2017 4:45 AM  

You'd think the toy departments would clue people in to reality. These toy companies have to be losing millions.
I buy toys fairly frequently, and have noticed how the female action figures just don't move. Same with the "Rebelle" nerd guns aimed at little girls. Meanwhile all the "Frozen"'merchandise in the girl section, which is severely overpriced is out of stock almost instantly.
The girl ghostbusters figures were there for months and months without a single one being moved. They went all the way down to $3 and still didn't move.
I looked in the bargain bin the other day and it was all female figures and black figures. It was a severe "shiv" in the style of CH.

Anonymous John VI November 23, 2017 3:08 PM  

Meh. They've killed them all at one point or another. Hell the ras al gul storylines primarily exist in order to ressurect whomever bat character was most recently killed. Jason Todd, Damian Wayne, Tim drake. Cassandra kain, talia. Ho hum.

They can't build emotionally charged stories without risk and they wrote our all risk so many times no one cares anymore.

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