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Thursday, November 02, 2017

The fictional war on Trump

Marvel is worse, but DC Comics isn't exactly hiding its opposition to the God-Emperor:
DC Comics have already given us a number of Trump analogues in their comic books.  Nathan Domini, businessman and land developer, turned politician in Green Arrow was familiar…But the new Aquaman cover suggests that the creative team may be doubling down on this one. #Resist…

However, as the comics stores are reporting, Marvel's descent into SJW-converged madness is not going well.

Making more money off Marvel back issues than current Marvel issues. Marvel needs to get their mojo back. Not a single Marvel book in our top ten this week. DC took every spot in the top ten. Which is odd sense other than their Metal hotness right now their other books are just holding steady. Amazing Spider-man now sells less than XO Manowar. Spider-man just had a hit movie this year yet is unable to sell at least double digits here. This week another person dropped the title. That’s mind blowing.

Marvel only had one title in the top ten (and it wasn’t a Legacy book): Weapon X #10. The highest charting Legacy title was Amazing Spider-Man #790, which sold exactly the same number of copies on Day One that the last pre-Legacy issue sold. Some titles actually saw a decline in sales over pre-Legacy numbers (Despicable Deadpool, Jean Grey, Black Panther, X-Men Blue). The worst was US Avengers, which lost almost half its Day One readers in our store–largely due to a cover that DIScouraged new superhero readers rather than ENcouraging them. This is a troubling trend; it shows that Marvel’s initiative hasn’t convinced readers to buy into program, and it bodes very poorly for the remaining months of Legacy initiatves. Marvel has to break out of its “encourage retailers to overbuy” mindset and make books–and covers–that readers want to spend their money on.

Remember, SJW convergence represents opportunity, because SJWs will always double down. If you want to understand why, read this.

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41 Comments:

Blogger Al From Bay Shore November 02, 2017 5:55 AM  

SJW convergence is institutionalized slave morality.

Anonymous JAG November 02, 2017 5:59 AM  

DC observes that some comic shops haven't closed yet due to Marvel SJW comics no one wants to buy. DC then says, "hold my beer."

Blogger Lovekraft November 02, 2017 6:14 AM  

Is DC also funded by a behemoth like Marvel's Disney, so that losses can be absorbed?

Blogger Lovekraft November 02, 2017 6:19 AM  

Most people here would agree that it isn't that we want to dominate the narrative necessarily.

Sure, we are fighting having the leftist narrative continue because demonization of white Christians and other free-thinkers and skeptics leads to some very nasty outcomes.

At the very least, we demand some level of balance and verifiability that a fair consideration of views other than the PC socjus religion gets heard. I doubt that academia, media, legislature has even considered pulling back and in fact is even pushing for more cult-like behavior.

A glimmer of hope in the Catholic church?:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/11/01/in-bombshell-letter-ex-bishops-doctrine-chief-accuses-pope-francis-of-sowing-chronic-confusion/

Anonymous Looking Glass November 02, 2017 6:20 AM  

@3 Lovekraft

Warner Bros. So, yes, another big Hollywood business. However, their model is different. They're there to produce Batman stories for future movies. Beyond that, they like to drum up controversy to sell comics, it seems. (We really do seem to get a once per year story about "some DC character does something outrageous!", though it seems less gender-swapping than Marvel.)

Anonymous Man of the Atom November 02, 2017 6:20 AM  

Marvel & DC have adopted the military scorched earth policy.

Sad that no one told them they aren't supposed to stand around and admire the flames from the top of the pyre.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 02, 2017 6:27 AM  

@4 Lovekraft

At the end of the Pacific War during WW2, there was an attempt to assassinate the Emperor to prevent a surrender. There was a faction in Japan that would have still been fighting to this day if they hadn't surrendered.

In the culture war, think of that faction having control. They had to weasel their way there because they're weak & evil fools driven by a need to run away from their own demons. The problem is they're quite devious and the general mass of people just want to live their life and would rather not care. So the end result is set in stone. We're only dealing with what the body count is going to be.

Blogger Sillon Bono November 02, 2017 6:46 AM  

Lovekraft wrote:Most people here would agree that it isn't that we want to dominate the narrative necessarily.

Sure, we are fighting having the leftist narrative continue because demonization of white Christians and other free-thinkers and skeptics leads to some very nasty outcomes.

At the very least, we demand some level of balance and verifiability that a fair consideration of views other than the PC socjus religion gets heard. I doubt that academia, media, legislature has even considered pulling back and in fact is even pushing for more cult-like behavior.

A glimmer of hope in the Catholic church?:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/11/01/in-bombshell-letter-ex-bishops-doctrine-chief-accuses-pope-francis-of-sowing-chronic-confusion/


No, We need to weaken their position as much as possible and get control of the narratives as much as we possibly can.

There can't be middle ground on this, the reason we got into this situation is the constant: "We're playing by the rules and expecting the (((SJW))) to abide by them, then 5 mins later "oh how evil (((they))) are", they're cheating/abusing their position of power"

It doesn't matter that you want to go on with your life if someone is insistently trying to brainwash you or those around, trying to cause effects in your life ranging from what you think to what you eat or what you should vote.

We will never get balance, that ship sailed many decades ago.

The left thinks and operates in terms of power and control, it is time that we get on with the game.

And as per hope for the Catholic church... ha, ha, ha, no.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 02, 2017 6:55 AM  

Making more money off Marvel back issues than current Marvel issues. Marvel needs to get their mojo back. Not a single Marvel book in our top ten this week...

That would have been unthinkable fifteen or even ten years ago.

The back issues are the in the $1.00 long boxes. That is an income trickle. You aren't supposed to have to live off that.

And none of the Marvel in the top ten? That is unbelievable! But I have no doubt that it is true. The stories from SJW Marvel's Wall of Diversity are boring, unreadable sleeping pills in comic book form.

Amazing Spider-man now sells less than XO Manowar. Spider-man just had a hit movie this year yet is unable to sell at least double digits here. This week another person dropped the title. That’s mind blowing.

It's not mind blowing. People wander into the shop to buy a book about that kid, Peter Parker. And meander out empty handed wondering who the Black Guy is supposed to be?

Blogger Wolfman at Large November 02, 2017 7:00 AM  

That fact that ANY comic stores are still in business at this point makes me stop and salute.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer November 02, 2017 7:04 AM  

Sillon Bono wrote:No, We need to weaken their position as much as possible and get control of the narratives as much as we possibly can.

There can't be middle ground on this, the reason we got into this situation is the constant: "We're playing by the rules and expecting the (((SJW))) to abide by them, then 5 mins later "oh how evil (((they))) are", they're cheating/abusing their position of power"

It doesn't matter that you want to go on with your life if someone is insistently trying to brainwash you or those around, trying to cause effects in your life ranging from what you think to what you eat or what you should vote.

We will never get balance, that ship sailed many decades ago.

The left thinks and operates in terms of power and control, it is time that we get on with the game.

And as per hope for the Catholic church... ha, ha, ha, no.


Correct, we accepted the premise of balance in the public spaces for years and it is what did us in. Every time we were winning an issue a corporation said "we don't want to offend people, it's just business". That started the slippery slope.

Now notice they aren't saying that anymore when people on the right complain about being offended by their degeneracy. Now those corporations are "taking a stand for community values" or allowing their employee's to "exercise their first amendment rights".

Try exercising your 2nd amendment rights at work or even using your 1st amendment rights to advocate for your 2nd amendment rights at work. All the sudden the "we don't want to offend/scare people, it's just business" line comes back out.

It's a lie, it's always been a lie, and accepting the premise is why we have been losing.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer November 02, 2017 7:11 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Amazing Spider-man now sells less than XO Manowar. Spider-man just had a hit movie this year yet is unable to sell at least double digits here. This week another person dropped the title. That’s mind blowing.

It's not mind blowing. People wander into the shop to buy a book about that kid, Peter Parker. And meander out empty handed wondering who the Black Guy is supposed to be?


There is a Peter Parker comic again but he is a 20 something man baby. He lives with his girlfriend? (because it's not clear seems more like a hookup), who treats him like a loser and has to beat up the villains for him after he gets tossed around by them for while.

Not exactly the story of the down on his luck nerd who struggles hard to be victorious in the end. That story resonates because everyone likes to see the underdog struggle against long odds and become triumphant in the end.

No one wants to see their hookup save them at the last minute and then berate them for eating all the food in the fridge.

Blogger SemiSpook37 November 02, 2017 7:15 AM  

The traditionalists and conservatives have known this for quite some time. It was obvious when ol’ Jorge was elected, seeing as how he has that SJ in his name.

What I found amusing was the priest here was a Capuchin friar (OFM). Franciscans tend to be the hipster faction among the mainstream orders. Then again, they’re also the order responsible for maintaining the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, so they have an idea of why the indifference might be a bad idea...

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 02, 2017 7:18 AM  

Man of the Atom wrote:Marvel & DC have adopted the military scorched earth policy.

Sad that no one told them they aren't supposed to stand around and admire the flames from the top of the pyre.


Actually no. Here is the thing.

Comics have been dying for decades.

Sales figures that would have gotten a title canceled ten years ago, are now top ten numbers.

DC has a market position of "managing the decline."

There is still a culture of merit in that house. It is however SJW Friendly, following SJW politics and guidance.

But, DC is still capable of turning out decent stories. Big exception being Batgirl. Batgirl is the dead canary in the coal mine there. Entryism has been achieved.


SJW Marvel on the other hand is way too Converged to care about market decline at all.

None of their current writers have ever loved or even read comic books when they were kids. The SJW Milkshake Grrls and Purse Puppy Hires are only there to get a paycheck, do interviews with Salon, Slate or IO9, while they wait for that big book contract that they just know is coming from MacMillan.

They are in full denial about killing the distributors because SJWADD.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville November 02, 2017 7:35 AM  

And TV too. I was just watching ep 3 of Mr. Robot where BD Wong (Chinese instead of Russian) was telling his image consultant that he was thinking of who the next president should be and looked over to the TV where Trump was on talking about building a big beautiful wall. Consultant says, "no way, he can't even control himself.' or something to that effect. Wong says, "as long as you hold all the strings you can make the puppet dance any way you want."

Anonymous Flat Lander November 02, 2017 7:36 AM  

@4. Lovekraft

Lovekraft wrote:Most people here would agree that it isn't that we want to dominate the narrative necessarily.

Sure, we are fighting having the leftist narrative continue because demonization of white Christians and other free-thinkers and skeptics leads to some very nasty outcomes.

At the very least, we demand some level of balance and verifiability that a fair consideration of views other than the PC socjus religion gets heard. I doubt that academia, media, legislature has even considered pulling back and in fact is even pushing for more cult-like behavior.



So how many satanic drag queens reading to our kids in schools and public libraries is fair?

How many 4 year olds will start transitioning before gender theory will be deemed as unverifiable?

How many men rotting in prison for defaulting on alimony for kids they never wanted or are never allowed to see represents a balanced view of parental rights and obligations?

Why are you worried about white Christians and skeptics being demonized when every boy and man is a rapist and millions of savages are flooding our countries?

Blogger tuberman November 02, 2017 7:47 AM  

Well,Marvel has built a huge funeral pyre, and DC has put lots of kindling around their base.
Can it be that Alt*Hero is the napalm to crisp these critters?

Blogger dc.sunsets November 02, 2017 7:51 AM  

Another of leftist's errors, believing that they control minds because of the correlation between the rise of Leftist dogma & frequency of Leftist exhortation.

The world goes by itself. No man (or THOT) controls what ideas are ascendant.

Blogger tuberman November 02, 2017 7:53 AM  

16. FL

"Why are you worried about white Christians and skeptics being demonized when every boy and man is a rapist and millions of savages are flooding our countries?"

Man, so glad you arrived here to clue us in on this critical stuff, 'cause we'd have never known without your vast insight?!!

Yet the topic here is about culture wars and comics. Hmmm.

Anonymous JAG November 02, 2017 7:57 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Man of the Atom wrote:Marvel & DC have adopted the military scorched earth policy.

Sad that no one told them they aren't supposed to stand around and admire the flames from the top of the pyre.


Actually no. Here is the thing.

Comics have been dying for decades.


Not because of comics themselves, but due to the content and agenda of those publishing the comic books. The amazing success of the crowd funding of Alt*Hero shows that the industry is not dead. It merely needs new blood.

Blogger Thucydides November 02, 2017 8:20 AM  

The plan was probably to synergies comics and movies (Warner/DC; Marvel/Disney) to pump out the message, and use the billion dollar cushion to absorb shocks and ride out any (presumably short lived) protests.

They never expected or planned for the Alt-Right and sustained actions against them, and things like Alt-Hero engaging them on their home ground must be coming as an absolute shock. I am picturing the much parodied scene in "Downfall" where Hitler asks about the counterattack to receive Berlin and is informed Steiner was unable to execute the task....

The scenes in corporate boardrooms must becoming a bit tense as the demands of conformity and being accepted by the greater "community" of SJW converged peers clashes more and more with the market's demand to put out a salable product and make money. The corporate cash pillows are not deep in most industries, so reality is staring them straight in the eye and asking: "So, what are *you* going to do about this?"

Anonymous Stephen J. November 02, 2017 8:27 AM  

All looking very promising for Alt*Hero, then. Good luck!

Blogger Silly but True November 02, 2017 8:29 AM  

DC still has the better position. At this point if one buys Superman, it's a bit confusing if I'm reading about the Earth-1 vs. Earth-0, pre-Crisis vs. post--Crisis heroes, or an amalgamation.

It's not like buying Hulk and getting a gay Korean, buying Spider-man and getting a gay black Hispanic, buying Thor, Hawkeye, Wolverine, or Iron Man and getting women.

Blogger VD November 02, 2017 8:38 AM  

The plan was probably to synergies comics and movies (Warner/DC; Marvel/Disney) to pump out the message, and use the billion dollar cushion to absorb shocks and ride out any (presumably short lived) protests.

I think the bigger surprise is that their ESPN money-making engine is breaking down. They are facing trouble on several fronts.

Blogger Cataline Sergius November 02, 2017 8:51 AM  

@20 JAG

Distribution is a real problem.

News stands, dime stores and drug stores were just fine in the 1940s and 1950s. But starting in the 1960s and 1970s kids stopped wandering into those places.

News stands were mostly replaced by vending machines. The dime stores went out of business. And kids mostly had gone into drugstores to get a milkshake and maybe a hot sandwich. McDonalds and Dairy Queen killed that market too.

When grocery store turnstyle racks were the only thing left comics got into merchandising, lunchboxes (etc).

Then suddenly in the 1980s the comicbook shop came out of nowhere. The problem is they never went anywhere.

Nothing like Japan's Mandarake stores exists in the US. Comicbook guys are all independents with no muscle at the table.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 02, 2017 8:59 AM  

One wonders if comics are dying because too many people now have reached the "Ow My Balls" level of entertainment-consumption.

Blogger The Observer November 02, 2017 9:04 AM  

@26:

If that were the case, then neither manga would be surging, nor would Alt-Hero have the success it had.

Blogger marco moltisanti November 02, 2017 9:10 AM  

Does anyone who's managed to hold their nose and keep following Marvel lately have a link to the Avengers cover mentioned in the article?

Anyway, ¡viva Alt.Hero!

Anonymous Yann November 02, 2017 9:24 AM  

What I find interesting is the addiction to drama that show the current Marvel and DC comics.

SJWs right now run mainstream media, academia, deep state, most of governments including EU headquarters, and they have the support of big Capital... they are the new Church. And however, they portrait themselves as heroic fighter that "resist", which is the title from the Aquaman comic. This is just a drama queen attitude.

And that's very interesting, because this addiction to drama was not there before in the western culture. Guilt, purity, sacrifice? Yeap, but not drama... And this is not yet in Europe, not even in European SJWs. This is just a US thing.

My theory: this is characteristic from black culture, which means it's becoming more and more influential in the white American one.

Anonymous Randomatos November 02, 2017 9:34 AM  

If you care about the distribution problem when dealing with SJW Marvel, consider what this comic shop owner experienced. https://youtu.be/tGmi0N2h5EQ

Blogger Thot November 02, 2017 9:35 AM  

dc.sunsets wrote:The world goes by itself. No man (or THOT) controls what ideas are ascendant.

Or do I? BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

On another note I stopped buying comics with the first issue of Ultimate Spider-Man came out with the black-hispanic as spider-man back in 2011/2012. Saw this coming back then. Wow it feels like a lot longer ago than that. The mentally ill sure have made some progress on their agenda in a relatively short amount of time.

Blogger dc.sunsets November 02, 2017 10:00 AM  

The mentally ill sure have made some progress on their agenda in a relatively short amount of time.

There seems a growing desire to cast them out of the wheelhouse. Maybe it's no longer as funny (for most people) to watch the lunatics run the asylum.

Anonymous c matt November 02, 2017 10:10 AM  

@Lovekraft

It is like heresy - as Pope St. Pius X knew, you have to crush it and rip it out from the root, and grind it into the dust whenever it rears its ugly head. It is a poison, and poison cannot be reasoned with.

Anonymous BBGKB November 02, 2017 10:24 AM  

The wall looks like it was made of skulls. The shoah (((Madame Secretary Clinton))) has been doing it's best to battle both TRUMP and the history books. Last week they discovered TRUMP's wife worked while on a student visa(hey jews those modeling spots backfired on you in real life), Russia was buying guns for the Ukraine to frame the US(US ambassador caught on tape in real life).

To top it off they had to rewrite the first US EBOLA CASE in a way that shitlibs think supports open borders+ MOAR GOVT SPENDING. They said the first US ebola case was from an aid worker who went to Africa when in reality it was paid to be imported by US taxpayers thanks to the welfare checks given to refusegees Obama let stay. Perhaps they confused the nignurse who got on a plane with a fever after treating him.

So how many satanic drag queens reading to our kids in schools and public libraries is fair?

It's not just jews attacking white women, nigtrannies are getting in on it
Robin Thede Was Physically Assaulted by Michelle Obama!!

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/robin-thede-physically-assaulted-michelle-083500631.html

Anonymous Panzer Man November 02, 2017 12:30 PM  

Lovekraft wrote:Most people here would agree that it isn't that we want to dominate the narrative necessarily.

Sure, we are fighting having the leftist narrative continue because demonization of white Christians and other free-thinkers and skeptics leads to some very nasty outcomes.

At the very least, we demand some level of balance and verifiability that a fair consideration of views other than the PC socjus religion gets heard. I doubt that academia, media, legislature has even considered pulling back and in fact is even pushing for more cult-like behavior.


You can't reach accommodation with someone who wants to destroy your nation, your culture, and your race.

Either you win, or they win. There are still no covenants between men and lions.

Blogger Dirk Manly November 02, 2017 12:42 PM  

Actually, I can trust a lion to behave more easily than I can trust an SJW.

A lion might kill me for food. The SJW will do it out of nothing more than his or spite.... based on the lies about me that he concocts in his own mind.

Blogger James Dixon November 02, 2017 12:55 PM  

> Comicbook guys are all independents with no muscle at the table.

Who went into the business because they loved comics. And want to make enough money to stay in the business. If Alt★Hero sells and allows them to make a profit, they'll find a way to carry it.

> Does anyone who's managed to hold their nose and keep following Marvel lately have a link to the Avengers cover mentioned in the article?

No, but it looks like it would be this one:
http://marvel.com/comics/issue/61733/usavengers_2017_11

Blogger Phelps November 02, 2017 2:26 PM  

@28 -- likely this one:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/552371/552371._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg

Anonymous Anonymous November 02, 2017 3:04 PM  

That's what goes for a comic these days?!
That's gawdawful. Marvel will put themselves out of business.

Blogger SirHamster November 02, 2017 3:34 PM  

@37, 38

Good grief. I saw @38's link first, and thought it looked like some inside joke for an Internet meme.

Then I clicked @37's link and realized that Marvel paid money to print that as cover for product.

Anonymous MaMu77 November 04, 2017 4:41 PM  

In the 80's, I could buy an afternoon's worth of comics, a slice of pizza, a soda and a Hostess (tm) fruit pie for $5. In 2017, the equivalent would cost $40. Arkansas' no. 1 hillbilly is a flawed creature, but he isn't stupid.

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