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Thursday, November 09, 2017

The power of omninationalism

This email from MD may tend to confuse more than a few of my more unvarnished critics.
I am a 32 year old Kenyan man. Kenyan being a full-blooded African as we say. I have been mulling writing this email for sometime now. It is primarily to say thank you for the good work you are doing. I came across your blogs sometime in 2011/2012. I started off with Alphagameplan(AGP) and really started on Vox Popoli(VP) at the beginning of 2014. I think I have read all the posts on AGP but haven't really dug into the VP archives.

I got to reading the manosphere as I searched for a way to make sense of women. I am relatively intelligent (have an engineering degree) and struggled in my relations with the opposite sex. I would say I had several gamma tendencies and self sabotaged myself in this area for a while. In addition I have grown up in a staunchly Christian home struggled to reconcile my Christian faith and the local way of gender relations. This local way primarily involves sleeping around a lot. Our traditional family and moral structures have heavily eroded my modernity.

Anyway in short I came to learn how to relate with women, succeeded and moved on to learning the basics of civilization. I got married this year to a wonderful Christian girl from a family which also acknowledges the Lordship of Christ and hopefully will be a dad soon. Your take on women, men's roles and relationships and marriage really gave me hope when I had almost given up on having a Godly marriage. I hope I do not sound too spiritual but it is the truth.

I tell my wife that your writing helped me reconcile rationality and Christianity. I always felt lacking in apologetics when people around bad mouthed Christianity. Now I have a fairly good framework for tackling the why and when they bad mouth it. One of the sad bits about the intelligentsia here in Kenya is that they suppose that their intelligence qualifies them to look down on believers.

A lot of people here are Christians because of the promise of a better tomorrow, me included. I have seen how far belief in Christ has brought my dad and mum. Unfortunately many Christians have no theological grounding and are taken advantage of. Basically people (especially intelligent ones) consider Christians to be idiots. Your writings have exposed me, sharpened my critical thinking skills and given me hope.

The post 'On the necessity of Christianity' gave me hope. It may not be in  my generation or the one after it but that one day the same transformation it have on the backward Germanic and other European peoples will be seen here in my homeland. Especially if we embrace the transformative power of Christianity.

Thank you. Even as you defend the West, you have allies even here in the supposed dark continent.
He is quite welcome, of course. He is also far from the only African reader here. And the fact is that it is men like MD who are the best hope of the global South and the West alike, Christian men who are willing to accept the hard task of accepting even the most bitter truths, and then taking on the challenge of building their families and their nations despite the additional degree of difficulty involved.

His comparison of the historical backwardness of the Germanic peoples with the present backwardness of his own is an apt one. Things will not always be as they are now. A reckoning is coming. A winnowing is coming. And it is strong Christian men who will serve as the foundation for the successful societies to come, wherever they may be.

Yes, Africa faces serious challenges, both material and spiritual. But imagine what an Africa that somehow, through the will of Man and the grace of God, managed to surmount them would look like. Imagine how iron-forged and formidable it would be!

We can only play the hand that we are dealt. It is our responsibility to play that hand to the best of our ability, rather than spend our lives lamenting the fact that someone else, somewhere else, happend to receive better cards.

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94 Comments:

Anonymous Looking Glass November 09, 2017 5:41 PM  

Not really much to say on this one. God bless MD.

Anonymous BBGKB November 09, 2017 5:42 PM  

best hope of the global South and the West alike, Christian men who are willing to accept the hard task of accepting even the most bitter truths, and then taking on the challenge of building their families and their nations despite the additional degree of difficulty involved

Are there at least 12 such men in Kenya? Or California for that matter?

Related: I have documented what happens when libertarians take off their bow ties.
https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/14374074

Blogger Jeff aka Orville November 09, 2017 5:54 PM  

Exploding head of unvarnished critics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfTORdsPspw

Anonymous readit November 09, 2017 5:58 PM  

But aren't you the one who thinks genetics won't allow him or his country to be successful?

Anonymous Anton Kriegskind November 09, 2017 5:59 PM  

I have often pointed out to the 1488ers that the postmodern world is a bad deal for non-White nations too. It is a sad thing that some above average intelligence whites get duped by the lies of academia. But we have a deep bench so to speak. Every black with >100 IQ who doesn't reproduce is a brutal loss for his people.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville November 09, 2017 5:59 PM  

readit, just let the music into your head.

Blogger Sam Lively November 09, 2017 6:01 PM  

Spent a week in Eldoret, Kenya. Tons of Christians but they have similar problems to American Christians - tribal loyalties tend to supersede Christian brotherhood when push comes to shove. Doesn't help that they are losing a lot of good people to stable middle class careers in the States.

Mungu akubariki, MD.

Blogger Jabari November 09, 2017 6:02 PM  

VD, your twitter just get axed?

Anonymous Looking Glass November 09, 2017 6:02 PM  

This is off-topic, but did Vox's account just get nuked off Twitter?

Blogger Jeff aka Orville November 09, 2017 6:04 PM  

Me too. He's showing suspended.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville November 09, 2017 6:07 PM  

I could search VD's name, and a few seconds later couldn't. Gone off my following list too.

Blogger Zarathustra's Bastard November 09, 2017 6:11 PM  

Readit - I'm sure Vox's version would be more sophisticated, but if I've understood him correctly, the point is not that genetics make Africans hopeless. The point is that genetics are real, and that you can't just ideology them away - and this has serious practical implications for, inter alia, immigration law. But if African men take up the cross and live the gospel, over generations, the genetic reality will change, just like it did for the pale skinned barbarians of the far west.

Blogger weka November 09, 2017 6:17 PM  

VD main account on Twitter is suspended.

vox deathless is still up

Blogger rumpole5 November 09, 2017 6:43 PM  

I understand from some of the sources that VD (and the ilk) have referenced that human group IQs are rather plastic over time. Any policy that encourages the production kids by high IQ members of the group will raise the average IQ of the group. In the USA, the segregation of high IQ persons into certain zip codes is probably going to enlarge the numbers of very high IQ offspring. At the same time, our importation of fecund, low IQ, cousin inbred, moslems, and also high breeding indios from Mexico and points south will lower the average USA IQ. Bigger gap, but more dummys. It's going to be a bit unstable. However, once the European breed USA realizes that "the jig is up" (in more ways than one) I have hope that the technology of those high IQ enclavers will save us.

Blogger VD November 09, 2017 6:50 PM  

But aren't you the one who thinks genetics won't allow him or his country to be successful?

Define success. Define a time frame for that success.

Anonymous You May Say I'm a Dreamer November 09, 2017 6:57 PM  

But imagine what an Africa that somehow, through the will of Man and the grace of God, managed to surmount them would look like. Imagine how iron-forged and formidable it would be!

Never going to happen, because bottom of the barrel IQ.

Anonymous JB November 09, 2017 6:59 PM  

Sometimes the Blackman speaketh the truth.

Another one is Chinweizu, whose Abnatomy of Female Power is well worth a read: therawness.com/AFP.pdf

Anonymous DissidentRight November 09, 2017 7:03 PM  

Inspiring.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction November 09, 2017 7:15 PM  

@ 16.

The same could be said of the Germanic peoples 2,000 year ago and here we are today.

Blogger VD November 09, 2017 7:17 PM  

Never going to happen, because bottom of the barrel IQ.

You're missing the point. Over centuries, not all African IQ may remain the bottom of the barrel. The half-Jewish Ashkenazis are now nearly a full standard deviation smarter than their full Jewish cousins.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 09, 2017 7:41 PM  

@16

There's a massive difference between Tribal Africa and, say, Ming-era China. Like an island, you're never going to see Western Modern standards, but that's fine. Christians have spent 2000 years not living in them anyway.

The place doesn't have to be a hellhole, but it's going to take centuries to change that. So what?

Anonymous Viiidad November 09, 2017 7:44 PM  

I am friends with a black pastor in a majority black country. He's highly educated and works endlessly to bring others into the faith and teach them. It's a very hard road. His theologically minded friends are mostly white and Indian, but he won't give up. He loves his people even while recognizing their struggles - and he's much more patient than I. A big problem he faces is that the local matriarchal culture runs contrary to biblical teaching. A man will join the church with his family, his wife will get offended, then they'll leave and the man will apologize for having to leave. Yet he doesn't quit. He told me he answers to God, not man or woman, and must preach what the Bible says for the sake of his own standing before the Lord. Meanwhile, he told me of other pastors in his country who build big churches by going towards "name it and claim it," telling the women what they want to hear and putting them in positions of authority. "They have a lot to answer for," he told me. "I wouldn't want to be in their shoes on Judgement day." Press on, MD. Press on. You are not alone.

Blogger Gloriam Deo November 09, 2017 7:46 PM  

Never going to happen, because bottom of the barrel IQ.

You're missing the point. Over centuries, not all African IQ may remain the bottom of the barrel. The half-Jewish Ashkenazis are now nearly a full standard deviation smarter than their full Jewish cousins.


I think that's the point. Without the mixing, Africa will never overcome the basic problem of genetics. Granted, with the Asians moving into Africa more and more, that could become a real possibility.

Anonymous Viiidad November 09, 2017 7:46 PM  

As for Africa, the untimely end of colonialism was almost certainly a big step backwards for the civilizing of the natives. Rome did a lot for the ancient tribes of Europe, despite their brutality.

Blogger WynnLloyd November 09, 2017 7:51 PM  

Thanks. I'm going to read the entirety of this thing. It looks very interesting.

Anonymous Rfvujm November 09, 2017 7:58 PM  

Thank you for always doing the Lord's work, VD.

Blogger Wishing Star November 09, 2017 8:40 PM  

Humanity over values intelligence. I tend to agree with ball player Lefty Gomez, "I'd rather be lucky than good".

Blogger Koanic November 09, 2017 8:41 PM  

> Imagine how iron-forged and formidable it would be!

They might independently discover the wheel.

Talk about false hope. When I get old, I won't need anyone telling me how immortality is just around the corner and I can beat dementia. I'll just gracefully fade out. This fate awaits the lowest IQ races. The graveyard thereof is full.

The Ashkenazi example is inapplicable because what works for a small closed breeding population immersed in the world's best genetics doesn't work for a dark continent.

You should be telling this guy to breed up on the racial IQ scale so that his paternal lineage can survive.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 09, 2017 9:08 PM  

No sense in worrying about unvarnished critics misbehaving. If they didn't feel the goads, they wouldn't be kicking at the air.

Anonymous URL IRL November 09, 2017 9:47 PM  

All the best to this man. Good to hear from an African brother.

Anonymous Icicle November 09, 2017 9:52 PM  

You guys are also missing genetic engineering with people. I expect CRISPR to be everywhere.

It wouldn't take as long as the Germanics took to change.

Blogger wreckage November 09, 2017 9:55 PM  

Marry a smart woman, have smart kids, coach them to do the same. Build a defensible community network of trust, competence, and credible group action. Including a restrained but well honed ability to apply violence to the question of the community's physical safety.

Godspeed you.

Anonymous DeplorableDan November 09, 2017 10:00 PM  

VD wrote:Never going to happen, because bottom of the barrel IQ.

You're missing the point. Over centuries, not all African IQ may remain the bottom of the barrel. The half-Jewish Ashkenazis are now nearly a full standard deviation smarter than their full Jewish cousins.


If you look at Lynn's equations regarding IQ heritability it's not a hard trait to breed for if people wanted to do it in a deliberate way. With IVF or CRISPR it could go up REAL quick. If you only let the top 50% of females and top 1% of males breed you'd get around a standard deviation per generation. Hard to imagine a Western, monogamous, society engage in such a practice. But, frankly, the despotism of individuals like Shaka Zulu engaged in practices which we far more offensive to our notions of human dignity.

Blogger pdwalker November 09, 2017 10:08 PM  

Wow. A letter like that would surely encourage one to get out of bed in the morning.

Nice.

Anonymous AB.Prosper November 09, 2017 10:13 PM  

Icicle wrote:You guys are also missing genetic engineering with people. I expect CRISPR to be everywhere.

It wouldn't take as long as the Germanics took to change.


The Germanic barbarians weren't stupid though. We have examples of art and metallurgy of high sophistication from them and the Celts as well. Its far more sophisticated than almost anything Africa produces

I'd argue they were domesticated by small degree by the Romans and by a larger one by the Church not they got vastly smarter

Long term though, the arc of progress is a goner no matter what, the future belongs to the barbarians though that time frame is longer than concerns me.

As for the Gentleman who wrote the letter, I wish only the best for folks like him, maybe they can make the place they live a bit better, baring that, his kin.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr November 09, 2017 10:18 PM  

Lord, grant Thy blessing to Your servants in Africa engaged on this work. Protect and cherish them, I beg. For they labor to build a garden, knowing they will not live to eat of its fruit themselves.

Blogger Koanic November 09, 2017 10:23 PM  

If you people are going to talk about genetic engineering, then you should worry about loyalty-hardcoded cyborg soldier chimps. Whatever intelligence the Africans acquire won't be competitive relative to their superiors, so they're still toast, just like the races they already genocided.

Their only real competitive advantage is the one they've always had - as a supine slave population, they can serve an amoral elite as rightsless slave labor without repercussion. If they receive augmentation, it will be for the purpose of oppressing badwhites. Rather than allying with your future terminators, you should be seeking their extermination. Evolutionary incompetents are ever tiresome.

Blogger GK Chesterton November 09, 2017 10:54 PM  

Koanic you sir are an ass.

Blogger Koanic November 09, 2017 11:09 PM  

> Koanic you sir are an ass.

You've got a spot of jungle juice on your bowtie.

Anonymous crushlimbraw November 09, 2017 11:10 PM  

How timely this letter is - and the perfect match between MD's narrative of his own experience and VD's summation of our Christian purpose!
'The will of Man and the grace of God' - and the rest of the last two paragraphs say it all.
We are not potted plants!
At the same time it is quite clear that Old Scratch has gotten his hooks into the pulpit, so that the main message is pabulum - keeping the pews infantile and impotent - unable to salt the society or culture. The results are self evident for anyone with eyes to see!
This post is encouraging for me personally - you can read my website for why that is so - my family has shown me how to make disciples - even for a class one a...hole who can still carry on 'by the grace of God'!

Blogger Thad tuiol November 09, 2017 11:20 PM  

Even a broken clock can be right twice a day. But Africa is only ever going to be a resource provider for the more intelligent races and societies of the world.

Blogger Some Guy November 09, 2017 11:33 PM  

In a purely physical sense you are right. In a spiritual one, you couldn’t be more wrong. God will bless him for his faithfulness and his children after him.

Blogger Phat Repat November 09, 2017 11:44 PM  

Let's see, muh kulture, muh IQ; compatible? Or are you sayinz youz can breedz kulture with high IQz. Dance monkeyz, dance.

Blogger Koanic November 09, 2017 11:46 PM  

> In a spiritual one, you couldn’t be more wrong.

I couldn't be wrong at all, since I didn't say thing one about the Kingdom of God.

Anonymous Corrox November 09, 2017 11:50 PM  

Koanic, I think you have some questionable assumptions regarding genetics and IQ.

Your model seems to be that genetic engineering/embryo selection can add some absolute number to the current baseline. That's not the model guys like Greg Cochran and Steve Hsu talk about. They're talking about intelligence primarily being determined by the number of *errors* and the smartest people are the ones with the least number of errors. That means the potential improvement is greater in low intelligence populations than high intelligence populations and that they don't depend on the availability on rare smart alleles only available to certain populations. So that means that Africans being subjected to a 90-99% culling per generation have quite a lot potential in all sorts of regards, including intelligence.

Blogger Scott Birch November 09, 2017 11:54 PM  

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Blogger Koanic November 09, 2017 11:56 PM  

> That means the potential improvement is greater in low intelligence populations than high intelligence populations

This is true. All they have to do is implant white embryos into black uteri. The black race is saved! Let's start now.

Anonymous Corrox November 09, 2017 11:59 PM  

DeplorableDan wrote:VD wrote:Never going to happen, because bottom of the barrel IQ.

You're missing the point. Over centuries, not all African IQ may remain the bottom of the barrel. The half-Jewish Ashkenazis are now nearly a full standard deviation smarter than their full Jewish cousins.


If you look at Lynn's equations regarding IQ heritability it's not a hard trait to breed for if people wanted to do it in a deliberate way. With IVF or CRISPR it could go up REAL quick. If you only let the top 50% of females and top 1% of males breed you'd get around a standard deviation per generation. Hard to imagine a Western, monogamous, society engage in such a practice. But, frankly, the despotism of individuals like Shaka Zulu engaged in practices which we far more offensive to our notions of human dignity.


IIRC Steve Hsu estimates embryo selection could gain 10 standard deviations with about the technology currently available. That is, we're talking about 250 IQ kids in a single generation. The Chinese are researching this right now and seem to have the will to do similarly ruthless things when it comes to relatively trivial matters like the Olympic games.

Since this process is fertilizing hundreds of eggs and aborting 99% this should select quite strongly for non-Christianity in at least the parent generation. Which is both an interesting and horrifying thought. The world ruled by an amoral Chinese elite to which normal humans are as far cognitively removed as we are from dogs likely won't be a very nice place.

Blogger Scott Birch November 10, 2017 12:01 AM  

All of you sperging about Africa's present average IQ should consider the population curves over the next few decades. For the continent of Africa, a huge harrowing is coming. The survivors will be smarter. Those who make it through _that_ crucible may truly rise. CRIPR may help. An African efflorescence may not be as far away as you think. Your great grandchildren's grandchildren may see it.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 12:21 AM  

> a huge harrowing is coming. The survivors will be smarter.

Africa has been doing boom bust since before the first Neanderthal grokked a rock.

Blogger Thad tuiol November 10, 2017 12:32 AM  

I wish to retract my earlier statement: By the 22nd century Africans will have enslaved the Chinese and will keep the few white people left as pets for amusement.

Anonymous Didas Kalos November 10, 2017 12:33 AM  

@ Koanic. I agree with G K Chesterton. He's smarter than you.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 12:39 AM  

> I agree with G K Chesterton. He's smarter than you.

The fellow who can't punctuate? You do realize that consensus indicates the middle of the bell curve, right?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 12:46 AM  

"Rome did a lot for the ancient tribes of Europe, despite their brutality."

In many ways because of their brutality. As cruel and painful as it may be, if you don't either completely eradicate or genetically "salt the Earth" somehow, increased pressure leads to tighter standards of who can survive and leave offspring. Over the generations the result would generally be tougher, smarter, healthier peoples. The external way that empires would tend to kill themselves... they force their conquered peoples up to their standards while themselves declining below them. Successful rebellion is a conclusion that will eventually be reached.

"Africa has been doing boom bust since before the first Neanderthal grokked a rock."

And more advanced civilizations have been getting coup-de-graced by barbaric yet effective marauding warrior tribes writ large for just as long. No matter how high the wall, it eventually comes down, exposing the rot within. Things can change faster than you think with the right set of conditions, and the "bust" cycle very much is one part of those conditions.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 12:49 AM  

> And more advanced civilizations have been getting coup-de-graced by barbaric yet effective marauding warrior tribes writ large for just as long.

No they haven't, you idiot.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 12:52 AM  

consensus indicates the middle of the bell curve, right?

Yes, and divergence indicates degeneration, dead ends, or what for most intents and purposes is insanity. If you don't pull the curve up toward you by the sum total of your actions, even in "drop raises the ocean" fashion, you are for all intents and purposes a dead end or form of insanity.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 12:56 AM  

"No they haven't, you idiot."

You may need to recheck either your history or your comprehension of French.

Or, you know, just check out the Philistines, Genghis, The early Romans, the moslems before, during, and after the Crusades, etc. The barbarian hordes get less funny the longer you've had a continuous, soft and/or degenerate culture.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 1:04 AM  

The advent of civilization occurs well after the advent of both Neanderthals and African boom-bust, Azure. You're wrong, as always.

Anonymous Korbin Ransley November 10, 2017 1:07 AM  

Great post, thank you.

Funny how some people seem to speak of I.Q. sometimes, as if it is set now not just for individuals but for groups. Or as if every black is below 85, and every white is 100 or above.

Apparently even though the human sub species have common ancestors certain characteristics are now set, and westerners can populate the multiverse with space stations, but blacks can't manage plumbing or electricity.

East Asian I.Q. is higher, so what is the minimum for a first world type of civilization? Did the Hispanics, or Arabs make it? Or is White I.Q. the cut off?

Lucky you i guess. 8^)

Conservatively, I thought about one in every six U.S. Blacks had a higher I.Q. than the white median.

Spirituality, Character, and Culture count for alot i think. I think empathy, psychopathy, and impulse control play a considerable role in how nations, or tribes function aswell.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 1:09 AM  

Koanic, assuming history and setting arbitrary standards again, check.

You ought to read more carefully and note that I said "more civilized". Modern civilization? Sure, but someone taming an animal? Building a mud hut rather than an animal skin tent? Trying to grow crops?

Anonymous Looking Glass November 10, 2017 1:09 AM  

@48 Corrox

Even if you could select for genes to over 200 IQ, most of them won't survive very long after birth. The problem with medical researchers is they think they understand things that they don't really, nor are they anywhere close to even grasping.

So you can flip a gene or two in an embryo. Now, how about the control & mitigation aspects of the expression of those genes as a child ages? How about partial expression at various stages? What happens with a run-away event of a process?

There's a good chunk more, but the problem with the people talking about this stuff is they don't even realize they aren't even in the right league to think they understand what's going on. Interactions on the multi-billion level are complex beyond the human mind, especially when one hasn't understand the fundamentals of the actions involved.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 1:10 AM  

"More advanced civilization" to be more precise.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 1:29 AM  

> someone taming an animal? Building a mud hut rather than an animal skin tent? Trying to grow crops?

All of the behaviors you listed are predated by both Neanderthal advent and African boom-bust, as is the decadence->barbarian cycle of civilization, you dishonest little weasel.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 1:32 AM  

"All of the behaviors you listed are predated by both Neanderthal advent and African boom-bust, as is the decadence->barbarian cycle of civilization"

"Assuming history".

"you dishonest little weasel."

"You're wrong, as always."

I seem to recall you being a reichtard apologist recently, while I wasn't.

You're the liar here, plain and simple.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 1:39 AM  

If you're familiar with the saying "we shape our tools and our tools shape us", you should realize that degeneration results in some forms from any advancement. This is "decadence" writ in its smallest possible form that I am aware of.

Similarly, as for the first Neanderthal to grok a rock? His civilization, however primal, has produced the greatest living thinker.

Civilization? Fairly arbitrary in the ultimate sense of things. The man who has learned to eat berries rather than leaves or to pick the sharp bones out of his meat is more civilized. Groups of people, which even neanderthals all but certainly existed in, however small, are necessarily more civilized than lone territorial animals. Even if you believed that we descended from apes, they too have civilizations, however small and simple.

Think a little more flexibly.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 2:03 AM  

You loathsome little liar:

"In about 3200 BC the two earliest civilizations develop in the region where southwest Asia joins northeast Africa."

"the oldest known Neanderthal fossils — the oldest ones ever found are about 200,000 years old."

The decadence->barbarian cycle of civilization is driven by dysfunction resulting from a remove from the ancestral environment to practice non-nomadic agriculture. All of your subsequent dancing about the definition of civilization is just weaselly deceit. Are you Jewish? What I would like to do is barbecue your tongue and serve it to the dogs.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 2:12 AM  

Koanic, you still fail at thinking it through. Define "Civilization". If you're going to say that it didn't exist before the Latin word at the root of "Civilization", I'll give you that point as being technically correct in a fashion, but then who's the weasel?

At its barest level, aging and death are the decadence of that which is born and has grown. By this level the young rogue male ape that challenges and defeats the older, weaker silverback is a perfect analogue for the barbarians destroying civilization, albeit in an almost absurdly small form.

"All of your subsequent dancing about the definition of civilization is just weaselly deceit."

False. By your supposed standards the word "civilization" itself is a weaselly attempt at creating a divide with the "barbarian" as "less-human" than the "civilized", and thus less righteous, fit and deserving in the mind of the civilized man, while such may not necessarily be the case, and even if the case, will not remain so in perpetuity.

"Are you Jewish?"

No.

"What I would like to do is barbecue your tongue and serve it to the dogs."

Cool story. You're still both the liar and the idiot here. You simply did not think this through very thoroughly, relying on your wrote memorization of the work of fallible humans using (in this case) arbitrary definitions. Your thought process is decadent, resting on past laurels.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 2:15 AM  

Good night, by the way.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 2:18 AM  

"Rote". Through thoroughly. Oh, definitely good night.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 2:30 AM  

> At its barest level, aging and death are the decadence of that which is born and has grown. By this level the young rogue male ape that challenges and defeats the older, weaker silverback is a perfect analogue for the barbarians

Thanks for the laugh. Honorary Jew!

Anonymous truther November 10, 2017 4:25 AM  

"Are there at least 12 such men in Kenya? Or California for that matter?"

Kenya has more of a chance than Kali, yes it's that bad there Virginia.

Blogger SirGroggy November 10, 2017 5:05 AM  

Ah, Kenya - the birthplace of Barack Obama's dad, and Richard Dawkins.

Blogger SirGroggy November 10, 2017 5:07 AM  

It seems MD is on track to make a more positive contribution to the world than his fellow Kenyans Obama Sr. and Dawkins.

Blogger SirGroggy November 10, 2017 5:21 AM  

And speaking of a black man on the side of good... I was just watching this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKT-A6ReH7g

Clearly I am on the side of the black man against the white

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 6:00 AM  

It's funny how I'm the (victorious) bad guy when I'm telling the African guy to do the EXACT SAME thing Vox did:

Get the whitest wife you can and move to the whitest area that won't pogrom you.

Anonymous TS November 10, 2017 6:05 AM  

"Get the whitest wife you can and move to the whitest area that won't pogrom you."

Question: Who are whites biggest enemy?

Blogger SirGroggy November 10, 2017 6:10 AM  

Get the whitest wife you can and move to the whitest area that won't pogrom you.

And, you sound like a jackass telling people how to live their lives especially since MD is already blessed with a good Christian wife.

Give it a rest.

Blogger Roger Hill November 10, 2017 6:12 AM  

Here is another example of why I love reading Vox Popoli. In a word, TRUTH!

That is what separates this site from so many others. And posts like these have not only truth, but encouragement. Christianity not only has a transforming power over individuals, but cultures and societies as well. What else could explain the last 2000 years in the West. And I have often wondered what the future might hold in those dark places where Christianity is no taking root and growing. Could it be that missionaries from Africa and Asia might make their way to Europe and America some day to proselytize pagans - pagans whose ancestors are even now trying to saw through the fruited branch on which they our sitting?

Anonymous TS November 10, 2017 6:17 AM  

"And speaking of a black man on the side of good... I was just watching this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKT-A6ReH7g"


Nice catch. Hilarious stuff.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 7:21 AM  

> especially since MD is already blessed with a good Christian wife.

Adapt as needed. Apply it to marrying of your sons and daughters. Escape the extinction event.

Blogger SirGroggy November 10, 2017 8:30 AM  

Koanic what you are saying does not seem to be at all relevant to an individual human being.

Blogger SirGroggy November 10, 2017 8:35 AM  

Speaking of Richard Dawkins (born in Kenya) he did actually make a significant contribution to popular science in his book the Selfish Gene in which he explained that genes are 'selfish' in the sense that they have their own evolutionary imperative to reproduce themselves as much as possible. The main goal for your genes are for your to have the most possible number of grandchildren. This is their most important thing in life. If your main goal in life is to have the most number of grandchildren possible above all, then your goals are the same as your genes however if you have other goals in life e.g. to have an enjoyable and successful and fulfilled life while helping your earthly brother and standing for what is good and right, then that has nothing to do with your genes and because your genes care for nothing but having the most grandchildren possible. Your genes don't care about you so why do you care so much about them.

Blogger SirGroggy November 10, 2017 8:45 AM  

Eugenics is not scientific but rather it has more of a religious sub-structure because it creates a system of values whereby what is good for the gene pool is made the highest good, and what is good for the individuals is made secondary. Whereas in a (real) religion like Christianity the individual is supreme. Or as Jordan Peterson says the divine individual is the mediator between the forces of chaos and order by speaking the truth just in the way that in Genesis the universe was 'spoken' into being by the 'word' (order out of chaos). The human genome is just a basic blueprint, it is a trivial repository of information compared to the power of human consciousness. The amount of digital information in a human's genome can be stored on 1 CD, but the human mind contains more connections than there are atoms in the universe.

Blogger S1AL November 10, 2017 8:47 AM  

"Koanic what you are saying does not seem to be at all relevant to an individual human being."

You're arguing with a guy who believes that modern humans are a result of pig-monkey rape, alien genetic experimentation, and widespread back-breeding with localized ape groups.

Best of luck.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 10:02 AM  

Ah ah ah, I bet you think all colors of people came from two perfect individuals who shared an apple.

Blogger Koanic November 10, 2017 10:06 AM  

> the human mind contains more connections than there are atoms in the universe.

Holy shit, you outdid Azure Amantha!

Blogger DonReynolds November 10, 2017 10:58 AM  

Viiidad wrote:As for Africa, the untimely end of colonialism was almost certainly a big step backwards for the civilizing of the natives. Rome did a lot for the ancient tribes of Europe, despite their brutality.

The Romans did not consider themselves to be brutal, although they would qualify in this day and age.

When Caesar conquered Gaul, there were 3 million people living there. One million were killed during the conquest, another million were sold into slavery, and the remaining million were left in place to obey and pay taxes to Rome.

In a mere 300 years from the fall of the Roman empire, a new Emperor was crowned in Gaul in the person of Charlemagne, who would advance Christian rule over the Franks (French and German) as the Carolingian Empire. Barbarians can learn quickly.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella November 10, 2017 11:39 AM  

I would think, anecdotally, that the man has reason to hope. The quite possibly overblown story about the young man building a windmill to generate electricity in some backwards African town: his parents were devout Christians.

The Christian habits of life conduce towards a better brain, better physiology: habitual fast and feast cycles heal the brain, rotating forbidden foods in settled populations act as metabolic healings, daily prayers build neural pathways that simply cannot be made any other way: a devout Buddhist brain on an MRI looks different than a secular brain, different than a devout Christian monk brain.

I think it took several hundred years, and a monastery with steady prayer habits to build the sort of brain that could hold in its vision a Trinity, an illuminated manuscript, and all the gears for machine power. It took hundreds of years to go from a sort of droning single line of singing= a very immaterial, time-bound experience- into polyphony with paper notes, structures, all of it. Or, later, optics for cathedrals, or the wild archways of giant cathedrals.

We know that stem cells from pregnancy migrate through a mother's body: what if stem cells migrate through a father's body, post-birth, from intimate encounters? A sort of positive STD, instead of syphilis: we know things can go from one's penis to one's bloodstream and brain. And that a monogamous relationship is the best way to ensure a steady, high exposure to these novel stem-cell patches?

Or,say, the Christian admonishment to prayer, peace and forgiveness: less cortisol flooding brains, less cortisol putting everything into fight or flight mode, less neural distress? More bonding, more body, more mind, more foresight?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 11:48 AM  

"Thanks for the laugh. Honorary Jew!"

Thanks for the laugh, actual liar.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine November 10, 2017 1:05 PM  

"in a (real) religion like Christianity the individual is supreme."

Not exactly. There is a balance to be had, thus the Bible speaking of individuals as also being members of the Body of Christ, and such exhortations as "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's".

"the human mind contains more connections than there are atoms in the universe"

I'm probably more to Koanic's side on this one. While theoretically possible, assuming that the brain does indeed take advantage of quantum functions (hypothetical last I checked), there really wouldn't be a point to it that I can think of, as there would be many redundant connections between each possible set of two neurons. This is likely an example of things like "The human brain only uses 1/10th of its power!" that simply are not true.

The "each neuron has on average 10,000 connections to other neurons" thing is much more accurate on the physical, measurable level of things.

"I bet you think all colors of people came from two perfect individuals who shared an apple."

This is exactly the sort of thing Satan said when he said "Has God not said that you shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" either an outright lie or a technically not-quite lie that carries multiple false implications due to its intentional imprecision and structuring.

You know perfectly well that the full process is not so simple, so you point and screech at one point of the process, attempting to imply that it is the whole. Unsurprising in light of your other dishonest proclivities and goals. You need to make it sound as ridiculous as possible in order to make your own absurdities seem more reasonable than they actually are.

And you have the gall to accuse others of being weaselly and malefic-Jew-like.

Blogger marco moltisanti November 10, 2017 1:14 PM  

I agree. I never got the impression that the barbarians were particularly dumb either from the history I've read. As I imagine most of the readers here know barbarian just meant that they weren't Roman or Greek.

Blogger SirHamster November 10, 2017 6:05 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:There's a good chunk more, but the problem with the people talking about this stuff is they don't even realize they aren't even in the right league to think they understand what's going on. Interactions on the multi-billion level are complex beyond the human mind, especially when one hasn't understand the fundamentals of the actions involved.

A few generations later is going to be a bad time to find a few "bugs" in the original gene tweaks.

"Uh, let's tweak your genes some more and see if that fixes it."

Anonymous MaMu77 November 10, 2017 7:17 PM  

Bugger that for a game of soldiers.
Finding an even marginally virtuous woman of pure/predominantly African descent is needles in haystack. Finding their non-black equivalents (with the concurrent desire to miscegenate) is even more difficult. When physical attractiveness and a sound mind are taken into consideration, the needles shrink to insulin-administering size and the haystack becomes tractor trailer-sized.

As someone who spent 4+ years bailing young Airmen out of prison due to dating and/or marrying the wrong woman, I'd rather maintain my increasingly rare "African-american sans criminal record" status and be lonely, than ignore the ubiquitous red flags that festoon women at ever younger ages in this country.

There are no unicorns, just horses with implements stuck upon their heads.

Anonymous Bulb on November 12, 2017 1:00 PM  

@48

That is brilliant.

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