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Monday, November 27, 2017

Too little, too late

If former Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont had truly sought independence for Catalonia, he might have been taken more seriously. But this belated turning against the EU tends to underline both his current irrelevance as well as his earlier failure to understand the basic European political realities.
Deposed Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont has branded the EU a 'club of decadent countries' and said a British-style 'Catexit' might be the solution. The pro-independence politician attacked the organisation as outdated in an interview for Israeli TV after his failed attempts to get European backing for his cause from his hideaway in Brussels.

He claimed the EU was a 'club of decadent and obsolescent countries controlled by a small few and closely linked to increasingly debatable economic interests.'

Arguing Catalonia should turn the tables on EU chiefs who have warned there would be in place in Europe for the region if it breaks away from the rest of Spain, he added 'They're constantly telling us we're going to be left out of the European Union but the ones who should take that decision are the citizens of Catalonia. Lets see what the people of Catalonia say. Perhaps there are not many people who want to form part of this EU…so insensitive to the abuse of human rights, of the democratic right of a part of its territory only because a post-Franco right wants it to be that way.'
The leftist Puigdemont made the same mistake that many in the American Fake Right do. You cannot be both pro-nationalist and pan-European. Europe is not a race, Europe is not a people, and Europe is not a nation. It is a continent.

Pan-Europeanism is, like American civic nationalism, a form of Globalism Lite. No true nationalist can support either. And pan-Europeanism will not succeed any more than the repeated attempts at pan-Arabism or pan-Africanism has.

As I have previously stated on many occasions, the fundamental political divide is now nationalism vs globalism. And the latter comes in many flavors, more than a few of which are cloaked in false forms of fake nationalism.

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42 Comments:

Blogger Lucas November 27, 2017 8:05 AM  

That is why Spencer is a fraud.

Anonymous Looking Glass November 27, 2017 8:08 AM  

There's always been an interesting discussion about Leftists never actually pull of revolutions, it's just a situation they can capitalize on a failing current regime. While not completely true, this is another good example of Leftists not having a clue what they're actually doing.

The American Revolutionaries knew this was to Death or Victory. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Blogger Matthew Funk November 27, 2017 8:22 AM  

You once remarked that civic nationalists fall into three camps. One will eventually come to our side, one never will and one can go either direction, as their aversion to true nationalism is based in complications (a daughter in an interracial marriage or such). You described each camp as being "a third" of the total. Do you believe the distribution of the three camps is roughly 33/33/34 or is my memory/interpretation faulty?

When it comes to false/pseudo-nationalism of various flavors, I personally would guess the distribution of the three camps would be closer to 20/20/60. I have no data to back this up, but I am more optimistic that the adherents of the fake doctrines will come over to our side in time.

Regarding Catalan specifically, I have no informed perspective.

Blogger Nathan November 27, 2017 8:22 AM  

Weren't the Catalans up front about wanting "independence" as a means for direct access to EU gibs?

Anonymous Aeoli Pera November 27, 2017 8:23 AM  

Where is Milo poast?

Blogger xavier November 27, 2017 8:37 AM  

The only good thing is thstvthe Catalans have been red pilled and will choose to go their own way.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan November 27, 2017 9:15 AM  

To me the Catalans sounded like bitchy women.

Blogger Salt November 27, 2017 9:25 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:To me the Catalans sounded like bitchy women.

Californians with a twist.

Blogger Cloom Glue November 27, 2017 10:08 AM  

@3 There is hope for conversion to an idea because it has evidence.

I was always for liberty/limited-gov't, not fake-right, and yet I wanted trade with non-communist nations, an idea I am slowly revising.

Our language, culture, and religion is being replaced to make us more communist, and I have understood that since decades ago (by my slowly learned politics around 1973-1980; eg. new immigrants only put up leftist signs at elections).

But I have to convert to a new idea for me: Trade on a micro-level in my life, and macro-level of our countries, gave more power to immigrants, and to global communism, respectively.

Blogger WynnLloyd November 27, 2017 10:33 AM  

They are the rudest bunch imaginable, not that Castillians or any other Iberians are much better, besides the Basques, who are friendly.

They didn't inspire anyone to sympathize with them. Many would have if they had confidence in the leadership; which failed utterly.

Blogger Koanic November 27, 2017 10:37 AM  

If Europeans do not wish to wind up like the Native Americans of North America, they should remember that they are a race.

Anonymous BBGKB November 27, 2017 11:13 AM  

Every Succession movement is a good thing for freedom & individuality, even if it a group of little dictators looking for gibs me dats since it will attract other gibs me dats to them.


Related: Former CIA director Hayden said he wasted 40 years of his life because TRUMP is redpilling people on fake-news, I guess that means he admits the program of lying to Americans has been going on at least that long.

(((surname Hayden is a form of the Jewish surname Heiden))), even better

"Former CIA and NSA Director General Michael Hayden is advising independent presidential candidate Evan McMullin "
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-cia-director-criticises-donald-110244717.html

Blogger CJ November 27, 2017 11:14 AM  

He claimed the EU was a 'club of decadent and obsolescent countries controlled by a small few and closely linked to increasingly debatable economic interests.'

The countries are not obsolescent, it's the EU that is poisonous. Other than that, he's actually talking some sense.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother November 27, 2017 11:27 AM  

What a dumbshit Puigdemont is.

Blogger Sillon Bono November 27, 2017 11:28 AM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:To me the Catalans sounded like bitchy women.

Because that is exactly what the secessionists are.

Blogger Sillon Bono November 27, 2017 11:29 AM  

xavier wrote:The only good thing is thstvthe Catalans have been red pilled and will choose to go their own way.

Read more Jordi, your masters feed of your ignorance.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 27, 2017 11:30 AM  

They are the rudest bunch imaginable, not that Castillians or any other Iberians are much better, besides the Basques, who are friendly.

@10 WynnLloyd
I've noticed the exact same thing. Glad to know I'm not just imagining things.

Blogger Sillon Bono November 27, 2017 11:30 AM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:What a dumbshit Puigdemont is.

Took some time for people here to notice.

Blogger 1337kestrel November 27, 2017 11:38 AM  

I am more optimistic that the adherents of the fake doctrines will come over to our side in time.

The problem is that the old men who eventually came over to our side are continually dying off and being replaced with college maleducated SJWs. It’s always been thus, if not so direly.

We have to speed up the process of education to get a majority of the living on board, but the left has intentionally screwed the educational system for that same reason.

Of course human nature being what it is tribalism will win out... and if human nature changes then that’s an OK resolution too.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 27, 2017 11:43 AM  

In other news today from the Isle of Cuckland, it appears that someone here was absolutely correct when they remarked that....

I done told you dat We beez Kangz.

Cromwell dindu nuffinz.

Anonymous BBGKB November 27, 2017 11:46 AM  

I am more optimistic that the adherents of the fake doctrines will come over to our side in time.

Don't forget the coalition of the fringes only stays together as long as there is plenty of Danegeld so they don't have to fight over it.

"The lawyer for Rep. John Conyers hinted the Michigan Democrat may take down “many others” with him if he is pushed too hard!"

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/democrat-conyers-threatens-take-whole-damn-swamp/

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 27, 2017 11:50 AM  

Lucas wrote:
That is why Spencer is a fraud.

Spencer's ardent desire to pole dance for (((fake news))), plus this whole 'let's make the EUSSR our pro-European monster' argument (which he drops and resurrects at convenience) are the stances of a William F. Cuckley version 2.0. He doen't have a significant number of serious followers, though there are some who will loosely ally with him - usually over other issues.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 27, 2017 11:54 AM  

"The lawyer for Rep. John Conyers hinted the Michigan Democrat may take down “many others” with him if he is pushed too hard!"

Since no less than nine witnesses to the Las Vegas massacre have come to sudden tragic ends in the finest Arkansas fashion, the old Detroilet cottonmouth might want to be very careful lest he end up like Ron Brown.

Anonymous Dan November 27, 2017 12:06 PM  

"Since no less than nine witnesses to the Las Vegas massacre have come to sudden tragic ends"

There were 22,000 people at the concert, and all of them were witnesses to the shooting.

Based on their average ages and ordinary insurance mortality tables, you might expect around 500 people who attended that concert (i.e. "witnesses") to die every year, or something like 45 every month.

I assume we will endlessly hear reports of how another 'witness' suddenly died, feeding the paranoia.

Blogger Lazarus November 27, 2017 12:17 PM  

Dan wrote:I assume we will endlessly hear reports of how another 'witness' suddenly died, feeding the paranoia.

you forgot one variable. They were all people who claimed there were multiple shooters.

Blogger Desdichado November 27, 2017 1:22 PM  

BBGKB wrote:Related: Former CIA director Hayden said he wasted 40 years of his life because TRUMP is redpilling people on fake-news, I guess that means he admits the program of lying to Americans has been going on at least that long.
Since the Federalists and their evolved version, the Whigs. Although people were a little more wary of them back in the day, and people called them out for creating gibsmedat boondoggles out of the taxpayer funds.

Blogger VFM #7634 November 27, 2017 1:46 PM  

In other news today from the Isle of Cuckland, it appears that someone here was absolutely correct when they remarked that....

I done told you dat We beez Kangz.

Cromwell dindu nuffinz.


@20 Gen. Kong
Let's see here: Merkle is three years older than Harry, a divorcee, half-black, AND an SJW.

Harry is definitely lower-ranked sociosexually than his brother William, that's for da-n sure. I'm calling William as Beta/Delta and Harry as Delta/Gamma.

Nice going, Harry.

Anonymous Damn Crackers November 27, 2017 2:15 PM  

Would it be better calling the EU the Holy Roman EU, since it is run mostly from Germany/France?

Blogger Chent November 27, 2017 2:39 PM  

It's easier than that. Catalan "nationalists" imagined that they were the center of the European Union. "Europe can't do without us so they will force the Spanish government to negotiate the independence" (textual words).

Then, they suddenly realize that nobody gives a damn about them and they are not the center of the Universe. Suddenly, European Union is bad because it doesn't give a damn about Puigdemont

(today, Puigdemont has stated that "Catalan nationalism is unquestionably pro-Europe" -see below-

As I said before, Catalan nationalism is globalism with a Catalan flag. Catalan antifa love Catalan nationalism and Muslim Catalans too)

http://www.elmundo.es/cataluna/2017/11/27/5a1c3cf9468aeb31548b4623.html

Blogger Matthew Funk November 27, 2017 3:21 PM  

@19 I am damn near 40 years of age and Vox is damn near 50. Many people on the Alternative Right, not to be confused with Richard Spencer's "Alternative Right TM", are people our age who are shifting focus from high minded idealism to placing more focus on demographics. In our youth, the stuff that recent events have proven to be obvious drivel, was a plausible lie. The last couple of decades have provided us with evidence unavailable to us a couple of years ago. Given this evidence, the generation AFTER the millenials is going to be changing from "Jeez, I wish my racist grandpa would die already" to "My virtue signaling coward of a grandfather left me a mess, time to sack up and fix it." The University curriculum bullshit is going to be harder and harder to sell in the fact of more empirical evidence against it that one witnesses as a child. Those dying based older people will be made up for in up and coming right wingers.

@21 I think a lot of the pettiness and incorrigibility amongst the Alt Right TM comes from the fact that most of their financial support compared to their lip service support is paltry and pathetic. Their recent use of "Merchant Right" (a term that actually evolved when I suggested to Eli Mosley that he at least study Vox for his efficacy in crowd sourcing, if nothing else) does not exist because they refuse compensation for their efforts, but because they are jealous of those who are compensated well for their views. They haven't taken a vow of poverty, they just suck at soliciting money (as most of their audience are big talkers but poor walkers) and their envy comes to surface in ugly ways quite often.

@22 Fuck you for the image of Richard Spencer in a Speedo on a stripper pole with "Private Dancer" playing in the background. That was a bitch move sir.

Anonymous JAMES November 27, 2017 3:22 PM  

Some leftists in Australia like the Catalan cause as well.

One of the only nationalisms they can stand.

Blogger Andrew Brown November 27, 2017 4:05 PM  

We should just be calling all of them Babalonians because that's all they really are.

Anonymous Duh-ave November 27, 2017 4:19 PM  

Dan at 12:06
People don't die at the same rate at all ages. Half of the 22,000 will still be expected to be alive in their 70's. Mortality accelerates greatly at 50 or so while 20 somethings are practically immortal. (hint) If you are looking at a mortality table for selling life insurance, try comparing it a table set up for selling annuities. Q) How do you make a big profit selling life insurance to a 30 year old? A) 30 year old people don't die! Check the rates.

Anonymous Clay November 27, 2017 4:31 PM  

Well, I suppose the "Catalonia" went the way of Munich/Austria/Czechoslovakia.

Big crap.

OpenID paulmurray November 27, 2017 8:06 PM  

Europe is not a continent. It is a peninsula.

Blogger newbietrader November 27, 2017 8:52 PM  

"The leftist Puigdemont" this guy was a leftist three and four weeks ago when Vox Day was 110 percent behind him. proving Day was an idiot or a leftist or both

and don't tell me Day wasn't behind this guy and his Catalan independence movement

once again proving the alt right is actually alt left

Blogger Chent November 27, 2017 9:46 PM  

From NacioDigital.cat, one of the most important digital newspapers of Catalan nationalism.

https://www.naciodigital.cat/noticia/143498/independentisme/clarament/europeista/votant/cs/pp

"L'independentisme és clarament més europeista que el votant de Cs o PP"

Rough translation:

"People in favor of [Catalan] independence are clearly more pro-European than people who vote to the [anti-independence political parties] Ciudadanos and Partido Popular"

You have been played. You heard "nationalism" and thought of Viktor Orban. And then you stumbled upon a globalist movement, loved by antifas. Next time, think beyond words. A bit of information goes a long way.

Anonymous Gen. Kong November 27, 2017 10:49 PM  

Speaking of "too little, too late" (although 'not enough, never there' is closer to the mark), looks like The Littlest Chickenhawk is Cuckservatism, Inc.'s latest appeal to the Millenial hipsters.

Blogger Groggy November 28, 2017 5:15 AM  

Some leftists in Australia like the Catalan cause as well.

One of the only nationalisms they can stand.


Probably because they see them as an 'oppressed''minority', or a 'victim', and so on.

Most leftists are people who are high in trait agreeableness which is a maternal trait.

Essentially they are sympathy dispensers to anybody or anything which triggers in them the instinct of a mother hearing an infant in distress.

And since many of them are childless women who have not assuaged their maternal instincts in the age-old and healthy fashion, i.e. to have children, the instinct plays out into political and SJW behaviour, which becomes the outlet for their repressed maternal instincts.

Blogger Were-Puppy November 28, 2017 1:20 PM  

@12 BBGKB

Related: Former CIA director Hayden said he wasted 40 years of his life because TRUMP is redpilling people on fake-news, I guess that means he admits the program of lying to Americans has been going on at least that long.
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Was Project Mockingbird his baby?

Blogger Were-Puppy November 28, 2017 1:26 PM  

@22 Gen. Kong

He doen't have a significant number of serious followers, though there are some who will loosely ally with him - usually over other issues.
--

He has some very vocal followers, many of who seem semi fanatical. Or they are being well paid. Not sure which.

Blogger คานาวา โรโฮ December 04, 2017 2:09 AM  

Took some time for people here to notice.

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